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Christian Brett Keane & Satanists LeGivorden Live: STS Round Table, Satanism, Devil Talk · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Hey there folks. This is Lucifer Lake of Ordon.
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  I'm here with a number of guests tonight and I will be
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  introducing you to them. Of course, a number of my more
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  recent viewers and whatnot will obviously recognize Brett Keene
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  from the Brett Keene Show. He has been working very closely
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  with us on this recent issue with the Church.
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  Satan people will also recognize Cain Blackfyre, grand Archon of
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  the Satanic Thulian Society and the second in command.
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  Another person that to take note of is Christopher Lee Anderson,
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  the Archon of the Satanic Thulian Society, the third in
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  our command structure, and you know he will be adding some of
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  his wisdoms. Kane and Chris represent two
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  different denominations of Levay and Satanism respectively,
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  alongside my own, which I stick to primarily just basic Levay
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  and ISM. But Kane Blackfyre represents
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  the settee and branch of the Satanic Thulian Society, while
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  Christopher Lee Anderson comes from the Vampiric branch, so he
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  will be representing the Vampiric Satanism whatnot.
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  He is a former Church Satan member if I'm correct, Chris,
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  and a former Temple of the Vampire member.
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  Yep, he's confirming. And finally, last but not least,
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  we have priest Zagan Rex third degree.
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  He is a therapist and in the Satanic Phulian Society and
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  holds the title of Confessor. That is a very unique position
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  within the Satanic Phulian society, meant for a very
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  another unique position of ours which only presently 2 members
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  Cain and myself hold. So how is everybody doing?
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  Yeah, a little bit under the weather, but pushing forward
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  like always. It seems like a lot of people
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  are being under the weather, are a little bit under the weather,
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  wetter weather, weather today, Brad, I I heard you're a bit
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  under the weather yourself. Yeah, it's been some bad weather
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  for me, man. Mad weather.
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  Mad weather. Well, for the last guest on our
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  show, people will recognize this guy.
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  If you're a long time viewer of mine, you may not have seen him,
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  but good old Pinhead is joining us tonight and he's providing
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  some much needed caffeine. So, all right.
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  So we'll, we'll go around. We'll just let everybody make
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  their own introductions. Kane, let's go ahead and start
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  with you. Well, those who watched the last
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  time, I'm Kane Blackfyre. I'm the second in command of the
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  Satanic Thulian Society, and I am the Grotto master for the
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  state of Ohio and its surrounding states.
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  Until we get Grotto's in those areas, I've been with the
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  Satanic Thulian Society for two years.
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  It feels like it's a lot longer than that and I'm ready to get
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  into these topics and sort them out.
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  Yeah, honestly, it feels like you've been with us since almost
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  the beginning. Actually, I think you have been,
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  because it took you a year before you got your priesthood.
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  Yeah, but it feels like it's been like 1020 years how it
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  feels. Yeah, it really has.
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  For those who don't know Kane and I, we did not start off on
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  good terms. We were actually butting heads.
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  I called him out on some bullshit.
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  He didn't like it and he threw a temper tantrum and then he ended
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  up getting eaten alive by me. And after that we became good
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  friends. Not right.
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  So, and now he is. If something ever happens to me,
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  he's going to run the show. That's right.
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  So, all right. Well, thanks Kane and we will be
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  getting back to you guys. Chris, go ahead.
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  Christopher Lee Anderson I am the arcana of the Satanic
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  Thulian Society. I'm also the Grotto master of
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  the Lone Star Grotto here in Texas.
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  Like was mentioned, I'm a former member of the Church of Satan.
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  I left due to different reasons of my own.
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  I was also an adept in the Temple of the Vampire.
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  I look forward to bringing both of those traditions back under
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  the same umbrella with the Satanic Cooling Society and
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  helping bring all the different denominations back to where they
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  belong back to their roots, but very strong Levan Satanists.
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  But I also have very strong vampiric viewpoints and that's
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  about it. Good stuff, Good stuff.
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  Zagan, Go ahead and introduce yourself.
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  Tell us a little bit about yourself, and tell us what is a
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  confessor? Well, my name is Zagan Eric's
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  and combines. It's metaphysical counseling, in
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  other words, but of course with a Satanic viewpoint, which in my
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  opinion is the only viewpoint that really matters.
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  I mean, in my counseling and the job that I've done, it's all
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  about empowering other people to be themselves.
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  Like you, get out of yourself and be yourself and be the best
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  that you can. Ultimate tool.
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  And so to me it's a natural progression and blend of
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  spirituality and psychology into one and everything's
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  confidential. It honestly it's not a matter of
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  like it's somebody shared something I want to share with
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  the whole world. It's a matter of like it's
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  between you and yourself and of course Satan.
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  So that's the a little bit about the confessor role as far As for
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  me identify as a Satanist since childhood.
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  But as far as getting involved with organizations, I would say
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  you know STS about what like 3-4 years ago then?
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  Yeah, you're one of our earliest members.
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  You dropped out for a while to get yourself sorted around, then
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  you came back around about a year later.
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  So yeah, you've been in it for pretty much almost since the
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  word go off and on. Yeah.
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  You just recently got ordained. Yeah, last June.
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  Last June, I did, yeah. I don't know.
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  There's just something about that will lead in.
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  I I think this kind of leads into everything, like just kind
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  of connecting and bringing back what Satanism's really about.
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  Not this atheistic standpoint, but more of it.
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  It's freaking real and people that deny it don't feel it and
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  it's just weird to me. So I think in that sense, I'm
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  glad to be part of SDS. Certainly we we love having you
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  here. For those who don't understand
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  what the role of the confessor is, we deliberately chose the
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  name confessor because of the heretical contradiction of the
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  Catholic Church taking confession and whatnot.
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  And we for this particular role, the job that Zagan has to do
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  behind the scenes. It is a very fitting tile title
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  because in the Catholic Church you go to confession, talk to
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  the priest in order to kind of vent some of your problems and
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  get counsel on how to approach life.
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  Well, Zagan provides a very interesting role for Kane and I
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  as we are the only two members of STS and we are like two of
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  the of four Satanists in the entire world who are actually
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  skilled, trained and authorized to perform the exorcism.
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  And yes, Brett, I said exorcism. We actually do that, and we have
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  done it. And so Zagen helps us
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  psychologically to make sure that we have our shit together
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  up here for that. Because anybody who knows
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  anything about exorcism knows you cannot walk into that if
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  your head's not on straight. And if you do, you'll get
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  totally fucked with with whatever you're exercising.
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  So thank you Zagen. Brett, if you're willing to go
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  ahead and I'm pretty sure we have some of your people in
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  here. We have some of I can see STS
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  members are flowing in and what not.
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  So tell share with us a little bit about yourself.
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  Well, I can be found at YouTube at Brett Keene, also Brett Keene
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  Show on Twitter. I originally got into the
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  discussion because I'm a Christian and I got into a talk
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  with a the Church of Satan and they claim that the Church of
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  Satan is about atheism, that it's a another kind of sect of
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  atheism. Well, from what I did read and
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  what I studied and research having to do with Satanism,
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  Satanism was originally theistic that Satan was actually believed
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  to existed. So in order to find this out, I
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  ended up looking into the founder Levay and made a video
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  about him which he seemed to enjoy and commend the yarn.
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  And I've also been recently even though sick, looking at some
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  quotes. May I share a quote with you by
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  Levan real quick? This is from The Satanic Bible
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  itself. Oh, of course.
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  You're always welcome to quote The Satanic Bible with us.
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  It's a pretty wonderful book, except for Peter Gilmore's
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  entrance entry. But we will discuss that another
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  time. Go ahead.
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  Oh, and we just call them Levay, not Levayan.
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  Levayan is the system of Satanism that we practice.
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  His name is just Levay or Anton Levay or Anton Suzandor Levay.
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  I appreciate the correction. I always get names wrong.
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  If somebody says Bob, I say boob.
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  I don't know what's wrong with one of my curses, but here's the
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  quote. Satanism is not a white light
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  religion. It is a religion of the flesh,
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  the mundane, the carnal, all of which are ruled by Satan, the
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  personification of the left hand path.
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  It seems to me even whenever I look at his writings, he is
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  still pushing for atheistic concept of Satan being real.
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  All right. So we're going to go to open mic
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  where anybody can just jump in and respond to any of this for a
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  while and we're we're going to discuss this.
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  Yeah. I'm just going to go ahead and
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  just say yes. The when you read Anton Levay,
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  pretty much any of his writing, especially the pre 1975 stuff
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  which is what everybody really focuses on, it is definitely
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  very theistic, absolutely 100%. You guys can jump in now Open
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  mic. Hey, Brett, you say you're
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  Christian, right? Yes.
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  OK, so I know that when I was reading the Bible, the Holy
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  Bible, and Jesus was talking to his disciples, he said, you
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  know, you can talk about me, you can talk about the Father, but
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  you can never talk about the Holy Spirit.
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  So even those two theistically worshiped the Holy Spirit.
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  It was above all rest, but it had no actual physical form.
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  They just had representations of it, the dove, the light,
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  everything that they had was representations of it.
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  And sometimes I think of the Spirit of Satan being about the
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  same way, though we don't, You know, we talk about the
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  underlying dark current of energy that flows through the
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  universe, trying to put a fathomable image on something
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  that's infinite and infallible. Sometimes we put it in a smaller
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  form, which is where we get the anthropomorphic shapes like the
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  Baphomet and stuff like that to symbolize.
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  Yeah, the guy will spread skin horns.
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  Looks like a really handsome devil.
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  Well, the fact that you guys were talking just a moment ago
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  about how you've experienced, had personal experiences with
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  exorcisms tells me that it's obvious that you've seen some
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  stuff. You've actually experienced it.
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  And I I don't know if I should say it like this, but I feel as
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  though atheists hijacked your religion.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. Actually, the new issue of the
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  Cloven Hoof just got published internally to STS today in about
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  two weeks it's going to be published to the world at large.
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  And there is an article in there that is literally titled Atheist
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  Invasion, and it's talking about how Cos Hijacked Satanism, and
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  we're going to be discussing the Barton letter to Tanny Janseng
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  here in a little bit. And she actually says some very
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  interesting things in that letter.
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  I don't know how many people watched my video on it, but it
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  would appear that Blanche Barton in this letter indicates that
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  she has knowledge. Foreknowledge of a plan to
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  rewrite Anton Lavey's philosophy, essentially
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  hijacking Satanism. Yeah, I I really find that so
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  interesting that somebody from an outsider's, outsider's
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  perspective uses the exact words that you use.
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  You know, hijacked, hijacked. The church was saved because
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  that's exactly what happened. And I just hijacked it, just
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  turned it into something that is totally not hijacked but
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  atheist. And I think that's been a focus
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  of, like, frustration and contention since probably since
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  I was 13 years old. When I'm reading this stuff,
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  it's all theistic. And I'm looking into, you know,
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  what's this about? What's this organization about
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  today? And then it's like, Oh no, it's
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  but atheism. And it's like, no.
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  Like those experiences that I've had throughout my childhood were
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  very vivid, very real. You can't just say, well, I'm
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  going to explain it away to say, well, it's just my crazy
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  imagination, like, no. And you feel it in your bones
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  and in your in your hands and you see things like this isn't
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  just delusion and and they try to explain it away in in such a
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  manner that it's not even, not even using psychology.
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  You're not even convincing anybody that it's.
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  Oh, it's just atheism. That's how it is, whatever.
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  And that's it. And that's the end of the
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  argument. Well, they don't even want to
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  come to the table or even have a debate or argument when it's
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  made. When they do, it's too late.
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  So I just, yeah, I just find it very interesting.
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  Hijacked by atheist. It's true.
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  I'm also going to go out there and say, and I know Brett and I,
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  we've spoken about it a little bit, and I know Cain and I and
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  Chris and I, we've all spoken about this behind the scenes a
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  little bit in some of my studies and whatnot.
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  People have also seen me make posts about Buddhism and whatnot
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  on how that's not atheistic, yet it is always being portrayed as
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  being an atheist religion, except when you actually look
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  into it. It is anything but.
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  Yeah, it would seem to me that yeah, atheists are trying to
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  hijack religions. And I'm also going to point out
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  that if you read the Satanic Bible, wanted God dead or alive
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  there in that article by Anton Levay.
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  Anton Levay made a very interesting comment near the end
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  where it was literally the one time out of that entire chapter,
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  out of the entire book that Anton Lavey himself mentions
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  atheists. And it is when he's referring to
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  Christian atheists and he's criticizing them for calling
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  themselves Christian atheists, for taking on a religion, yet
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  identifying as atheists and he's criticizing them.
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  I see Zagan's got The Satanic Bible open right now.
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  Can you go ahead and read that section to us?
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  Sure. All right.
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  With all the contradictions in the Christian scriptures, many
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  people currently cannot rationally accept Christianity
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  either way it has been practiced in the past.
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  Great numbers of people are beginning to doubt the existence
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  of God, the established Christian sense of the word.
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  So they have taken to call in themselves Christian atheist.
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  True, the Christian Bible is a mass of contradictions.
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  But what? What could be more contradictory
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  than the term Christian atheist? The last part is if prominent
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  leaders of the Christian faith are rejecting the past
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  interpretation of God, how then can their followers be expected
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  to adhere to previous religious tradition with all the debates
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  about whether or not God is dead?
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  If he isn't, he had better have Medicare.
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  OK, Mike, your Mike's muted, Sir.
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  Oh, sorry. Yeah, I just got the alert
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  there. You guys have any thoughts on
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  that game, Chris? Brett.
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  Well, I would probably say really quickly too, Another
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  thing that the Church of Satan seems to be trying to do because
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  they also want to take the religion out of Satanic
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  religion, which is very odd because from what I've been
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  looking at, and I'm not as well versed as you guys, obviously,
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  but you guys have a philosophy, you have tenants, you have a
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  code, you've seen spirits, you've had the experiences.
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  So I don't know how it could be anything but officially a
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  religion. Go ahead.
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  I'm going to defer to Chris here because he is the former Church
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  Satan member here. He has the hands on experience
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  and he can literally tell you what it's like on the inside of
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  the church. I know one of my biggest
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  problems whenever I came in was a lot like the person in the
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  article where they wrote and said hey, you know, I thought I
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  was coming into an actual religion where we, you know,
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  united ourselves with the devil. You know the powers of Satan
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  like it says in the Bible. Whether you get in there and
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  everybody pish, poshes it, they make it into ritual.
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  Magic is nothing more than therapy.
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  They take the spiritualism or you know, Satan out of
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  everything other than just in Word.
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  Saying it just does not feel like.
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  It does not feel like when you read the first books of Levay.
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  And I think that was what got me in trouble so much when I was
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  there was because I was constantly questioning things
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  about that. Now, how can you perform actual
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  magic if you don't believe anything outside of yourself?
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  And I I came to think that the reason that they started taking
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  all the magic and the religious aspects out of it and turn it
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  into philosophy is because it's a lot like Halave said, that we
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  don't stand in circles of salt on the ground.
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  We put them up on the wall so that we can unite ourselves with
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  dark force as opposed to isolating ourselves from those
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  forces we call upon. But that's what it feels like
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  the Church of Satan is doing anymore, is they're drawing a
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  salt ring on the ground and they're calling it atheism.
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  And they're calling it philosophy as opposed to what it
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  actually is. Because, I don't know, maybe one
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  of them got spooked by something they saw, but they're no longer
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  uniting themselves with those forces we call upon.
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  It's no wonder everything goes against them.
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  Absolutely, yeah. And you know, even Anton Lavey,
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  when you look at some of his other, you know, things that
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  he's been spoken about and what not, the there's at least two
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  different stories about this, two different projections of it,
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  but they both line up very closely.
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  Anton Lavey actually went out. This is about 12 years after she
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  passed away. Marilyn Monroe.
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  As everybody knows, Anton Lavey was very much so a fan of
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  Marilyn Monroe. The story is they actually dated
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  before he was known as Anton Lavey, before she got famous and
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  and everything and that they had a relationship.
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  No one knows on how true that part is.
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  But about 12 years after she died, the moon phase, the lunar
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  phase, lined back up perfectly. This the stars were almost in
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  perfect alignment once again and as the story goes, him Diane
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  Haggerty and we lost Chris. Him, Diane Haggerty and at least
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  one other friend of theirs went and they they went to Marilyn
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  Monroe's house and near the stroke of midnight they had
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  parked. They weren't allowed on the
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  property that I guess they had spoken to the owners and they
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  were looking for permission, that the house is now owned by
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  someone else. But they had gotten permission
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  not to be on the property but to park up against the gate and
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  kind of set the bumper on the gate as long as they weren't
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  doing any damage. And near the stroke of midnight,
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  Anton Lavey started speaking some sort of funny language,
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  some funny gibberish language, a Satanist know that he was
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  probably speaking the Enochian keys.
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  And lo and behold, Marilyn shows up.
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  In both versions of the story. A woman just who looks just like
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  Marilyn showed up, walked to the car.
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  There was a silent wind going. It was like the end wind was
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  going crazy, but no one could hear a thing.
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  And she walked through the gate and disappeared into the
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  property. You know, this is the sort of
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  thing that we as Satanists, we commonly see, a lot of us do get
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  into ghost hunting, and a lot of us are accepting of the
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  paranormal that there is something that continues after
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  death. And I'm sorry, but if you're an
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  atheist, you're an atheist and you don't accept that sort of
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  behavior right there. May I ask about something that
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  Mister Anderson came up with? AI sounded like the Matrix on
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  that. That night you'd said that one
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  of your theories was someone might have got spooked and then
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  decided to change it all around. Has it ever crossed you guys his
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  mind that the atheist took it over for profit so they could
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  sell objects and use it for just simply a means of attention?
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  As opposed to the obviously the love and care that you have for
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  what you believe. I know that is almost certainly
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  what they do, but hands down from what we're going to see
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  here in the Barton letter here in just a little bit that it
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  seems to me that there was an ongoing plot for many years to
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  take over to Church Satan. For what reason?
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  We can only speculate, but I know Brett, you and I have
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  discussed it with TTOR as well as and others, but we see that
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  atheists invade these religions seemingly just to destroy them
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  from the inside out. Like we mentioned the other day,
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  there's that one guy who wants to do brain surgery on everybody
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  to stop them from being theistic.
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  Are you familiar with a You probably Are you familiar with a
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  man called Reverend Jimmy Jones? The People's Temple.
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  Yeah. I ended up I ended up getting a
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  hold of some FBI audio of the guy and also recording of the
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  Menace Church. He was an atheist, but a lot of
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  people thought he was Christian. And as you know how that ended
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  up happening, he ended up taking out almost 1000 people by
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  putting poison in the Kool-aid. Yeah, it's really crazy.
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  I mean, why? Why do atheists do these things?
• 26:26
  What is their what is their interest in religion?
• 26:31
  This is something that I've always wondered.
• 26:34
  Kane, you've been really quiet tonight.
• 26:40
  Just letting everyone say what they need to say And when I get
• 26:43
  got to, I get got to. I'm not in a hurry.
• 26:45
  Oh. You can jump in anytime bro.
• 26:52
  So what's your thoughts on all this?
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  I see. I believe that everyone to each
• 26:58
  their own. If you want to be an atheistic
• 27:01
  Satanist, in my opinion that's fine.
• 27:05
  But don't attack other people for what they want to do and how
• 27:10
  they believe in things. I mean, we have many different
• 27:13
  branches of Satanism. I don't understand why there has
• 27:18
  to be an attack on things. That to me, it just doesn't make
• 27:23
  any sense if you don't believe in an actual Satan.
• 27:26
  I don't understand what the big deal is.
• 27:28
  Now, if you actually believe in Satan and you're upset because
• 27:34
  people are using your religion, and that's fine too.
• 27:37
  But you can't. You can't just only be upset
• 27:40
  when one person does something but not expect it back.
• 27:43
  You. You just can't.
• 27:44
  You just can't. I think, I used to think where
• 27:49
  theistics and atheistics could get along quite well and work
• 27:54
  together, the atheistics could utilize our rituals for therapy
• 28:00
  like they claim to be able to do.
• 28:03
  But as time goes on and I start getting attack and tack tack and
• 28:09
  I start seeing the same tactics used on me that was used on
• 28:11
  Blanche Barton to Brattle beat her in submission and what not.
• 28:16
  I have to say, you know, I I remember Adam before he left us,
• 28:22
  he was very dead set and very anti atheist.
• 28:26
  And I have to say I'm right there next to him and saying
• 28:33
  anymore atheists and theistics cannot get along.
• 28:37
  We should not be in the same room together.
• 28:39
  We should not be in the same organization together.
• 28:44
  They become, it's like oil and water, and then you add gasoline
• 28:48
  on top of it and you light everything up with rocket fuel.
• 28:52
  Yeah, that's. Going to work.
• 28:54
  Well, that's like putting someone from the Westboro
• 28:58
  Baptist Church in here with us. I mean that that just one, just
• 29:02
  one work. Just one work.
• 29:05
  Yeah. What about?
• 29:07
  What about this thought process? Maybe this is something because
• 29:11
  whenever I I don't know if a lot of you know this, but I used to
• 29:14
  be a former atheist and I seen how non believers acted towards
• 29:18
  Satanist, especially the theistic ones.
• 29:21
  It seems as though they they take what Levay said very
• 29:26
  personal whenever he says the devil has kept the Christianity
• 29:30
  in business, the church in business.
• 29:33
  So they figured they get rid of Satan.
• 29:35
  Then there's no more advertisement for God.
• 29:38
  Wipe out the devil and they don't have to.
• 29:40
  Argue how that's possible. But not God.
• 29:43
  See, that's a conflict for an atheist.
• 29:46
  Well, it's. The same time?
• 29:48
  Oh, go ahead, Chris. Your mic's off.
• 29:58
  That's it. That depends on the aspect of it
• 29:59
  though, because it says that Satan has kept the church in
• 30:02
  business all this time. But there's always going to be
• 30:04
  opposition, and that's what Satan is, is the opposition.
• 30:07
  So no matter what religion or philosophy or political power
• 30:11
  they come up with, Satan as the opposer is always going to be
• 30:15
  there and there's always going to people following him.
• 30:16
  So we're always going to keep whoever we're opposing in
• 30:19
  business, yeah. Yeah, well also the church has
• 30:24
  always kept itself in business, utilizing Satan but fear of
• 30:30
  roasting in the pits of hell and getting poked in the ass by a
• 30:36
  claiming pitchfork from this guy with horns. 8 minutes in.
• 30:43
  Hell has always kept people parking their butts back in the
• 30:47
  pews and keeping the collection plates, you know?
• 30:52
  Full I don't know if you knew this about me, but I'm not what
• 30:58
  you referred to as an Annihilationist.
• 31:00
  I don't know if I pointed that out to you yet.
• 31:02
  You mentioned that before. Can you go ahead and explain it?
• 31:07
  Sure. It means that I don't believe in
• 31:10
  an eternal place where people will be tortured and and
• 31:14
  screaming and and going through all kinds of just terrible
• 31:17
  nonsense for the rest of eternity.
• 31:19
  I believe there's over 80 verses in the Bible that states that
• 31:23
  the soul dies and they call it the second death.
• 31:26
  So I don't believe in, you know, people believe in wrong or doing
• 31:30
  the wrong thing and then getting tormented by God forever.
• 31:36
  So the Catholics don't believe that either and neither do the
• 31:39
  Islams. I know people think that when
• 31:42
  you go to hell you stay there for eternity, but in Islam they
• 31:46
  believe that 90% of the community when they die is going
• 31:51
  to hell no matter what it it's going to happen.
• 31:53
  And there's only a small percentage that Allah takes
• 31:56
  straight to the afterlife. They believe that you are to
• 32:00
  suffer for a period of time and once you're done suffering then
• 32:04
  you get to go to heaven. And the Catholics believe the
• 32:08
  same thing. They believe that you will go to
• 32:11
  hell for a time and after so long you will be sent to heaven.
• 32:16
  But that's something that's taught in Catholic school, like
• 32:19
  catechism when you want to become Catholic.
• 32:22
  Kale Catholics never learned that most Catholics don't,
• 32:26
  unless they actually went to the Catholic training to become
• 32:31
  Catholic or if they went to seminary.
• 32:34
  And I'm going to add really quickly that a lot of other
• 32:38
  cultures believe the same exact thing.
• 32:40
  When you look at Chinese culture of a lot of Asian cultures, they
• 32:44
  have many different Hells that you go and you get judged for
• 32:49
  your misdeeds and you get sentenced to these places in
• 32:51
  hell, but you're not going there permanently.
• 32:54
  It's meant to cleanse you, to be reincarnated or move on to your
• 33:00
  paradise or whatnot. It's so when you do enter that
• 33:04
  paradise, you enter that paradise with a clean soul.
• 33:08
  It's not that you're actually being tormented, and it's very
• 33:12
  similar for us Satanists. We believe that when you die,
• 33:17
  whatever personal problems and hang ups that you have not
• 33:21
  addressed in your life will be magnified now and you will have
• 33:27
  to eventually address those issues head on.
• 33:31
  We don't think that any demons are going to torture you.
• 33:34
  You literally become, you know, your own torture and your own
• 33:39
  problems, your own personal Hangouts, what we call the
• 33:45
  condemnations, the satanic condemnations.
• 33:48
  Literally. You create your own demons and
• 33:53
  you have to address them. You have to face them.
• 33:55
  You have to move past them and only then can you choose to
• 33:59
  either be reincarnated or to move on into the paradise areas
• 34:06
  of hell. Because there is paradise areas
• 34:08
  there's we believe that hell certainly came from the Greek
• 34:14
  afterlife and so the Elysium fields, the the Isles of.
• 34:23
  I forget what the name is. It's like the ultimate aisles.
• 34:27
  You had to be like reincarnated three times in a row and gotten
• 34:31
  it right three times in a row in order to get into it.
• 34:37
  The aisles of the Blessed. That's what it is.
• 34:40
  We believe that all of this is there, especially in the city of
• 34:44
  Dis. In Dante's Inferno.
• 34:47
  We saw the city of Dis from the exterior and it looked like
• 34:50
  this. Obviously from Dante's
• 34:52
  perspective, a really bad place. But in our philosophy and our
• 34:57
  understanding, once you get in there, it's literally a city
• 35:00
  where the souls who have come to be at peace have learned to
• 35:06
  understand themselves and they're perfectly OK.
• 35:10
  They're the Wardens of Hell and they're there to help guide
• 35:14
  other souls. Most of the problems that we see
• 35:18
  in stories like Dante's Inferno, it is from people who have done
• 35:24
  shit to themselves and they haven't gotten past it.
• 35:28
  It's all self-inflicted. Absolutely it is.
• 35:33
  In setting ISM, we believe that when we when we pass into the
• 35:36
  next World, it's a world that we have created on earth, that we
• 35:40
  have created here on earth, but in the afterlife, just like the
• 35:43
  Obligon. When Satan left heaven, he went
• 35:46
  to the furthest reaches of the universe and he created hell,
• 35:50
  his own personal domain, and said Ian's believe that we have
• 35:54
  the same power that we can create our afterlife by living
• 35:57
  through life. I used to have a friend that
• 36:02
  believed in the whole Dante's Inferno concept of hell, where
• 36:05
  people are tortured forever and ever.
• 36:08
  And I asked him, I said, well, the Bible says you'll be thrown
• 36:12
  into an outer darkness where you will not be present before the
• 36:16
  Lord. It's as if he never knew you, so
• 36:19
  how would that work with an omnipresent God never knowing
• 36:22
  you? I said.
• 36:23
  The only way that can logically work is if you don't exist.
• 36:27
  You see what I mean? That's the only way I'm being
• 36:29
  present. God can't observe you anymore.
• 36:32
  I've heard the same thing that they they tried to say that and
• 36:36
  that goes back to the void before The Big Bang.
• 36:40
  I would say no one knows what was there.
• 36:44
  It's literally the outer darkness.
• 36:46
  And I meant forgot to mention, Zagan also represents
• 36:51
  Cathulianism as much as I do. At the same time, a lot of us
• 36:55
  are into Cathulianism, and it's when we get into that that we
• 36:59
  start getting into as is Off the Dreaming God, the Blind Idiot
• 37:03
  God, as well as Yogsoth Off and other deities who address that
• 37:11
  void, that unmentionable place. I think that is cosmic beyond
• 37:17
  understanding. Yeah.
• 37:20
  I mean from that perspective from the perspective that this
• 37:27
  present makes the more sense to me.
• 37:32
  It it's just how do I put it. Again it's that's why it's kind
• 37:38
  of a little bit out there because it you're talking about
• 37:41
  cosmic, you're talking about things beyond our perception and
• 37:45
  pushing ourselves to go beyond what we or or faculties beyond
• 37:49
  perception. And that everything when it
• 37:53
  comes down to it's an illusion. And so when we talk about like
• 37:57
  what you're saying, you know, the afterlife and, you know, not
• 38:02
  God not seeing us and that, I mean, there's just more beyond
• 38:08
  what beyond. I mean, we can encapsulate in
• 38:12
  our minds what God or Satan might be, but like the actual
• 38:17
  feeling, like there's our our perception of it, which is based
• 38:21
  on what we read, what we study, what schools we attend, what,
• 38:25
  you know, groups we're a part of.
• 38:27
  But then there's that experience and that is some that's where
• 38:32
  theism exists and that's where theism thrives.
• 38:36
  It's that's what atheists don't experience.
• 38:40
  And it's like that interconnection with something
• 38:44
  beyond myself. And that's where putting trying
• 38:48
  to put it to words, you're only going to fail you.
• 38:50
  Anybody who tries to put it to words, they're going to fail
• 38:54
  what it is. I mean I and that's why I think
• 38:57
  Mitch B Lovecrab had it the best way where it's like this is a
• 39:01
  beyond and beyond where you can't really explain it and that
• 39:06
  is something that we all have to experience individually.
• 39:10
  Yeah, it's definitely well beyond understanding of our
• 39:15
  simple human logic. That's why we anthropomorphize
• 39:18
  so many deities and whatnot. They're they're beyond our
• 39:23
  logical understanding. I'm going to go ahead and pull
• 39:28
  this up really quickly and what not so people can actually see
• 39:35
  this. This is actually a part of the
• 39:37
  Jansen files and what we are looking at.
• 39:40
  Here's the Quo Vadis article from, as you can see, 1974
• 39:49
  cloven hoof. Now for those in the audience
• 39:54
  who don't know what this article is, this was an article that
• 39:58
  crossed Anton Lavey's desk and it was written by Michael
• 40:08
  Aquino. Now at this point in time Anton
• 40:11
  Lavey had taken back over the cloven hoof.
• 40:15
  This has been confirmed to me directly by high-ranking
• 40:18
  members, at least three to four high-ranking members of the
• 40:22
  Church. Satan.
• 40:23
  A couple of them were there at the time, supposedly.
• 40:27
  Or at least around at the same time.
• 40:29
  So they kind of sort of peripherally saw this going on
• 40:36
  and this article came across his desk the year before Zagan,
• 40:42
  could you please mute your mic? Thank you.
• 40:47
  The year before, Anton Lavey and Michael Aquino parted ways.
• 40:53
  And so Anton Lavey put his stamp of approval for this article to
• 40:59
  be published in the Clovenhub. It's a very big, important
• 41:02
  article that says, you know, because he put his stamp of
• 41:06
  approval on this to Michael Aquino.
• 41:08
  That said, you know, in this article Michael Aquino makes it
• 41:13
  no bones about it. Yes, God, Satan is real.
• 41:19
  You know, Anton Lavey, If he was an atheist, he would have never
• 41:22
  authorized this article. So we're going to go ahead and
• 41:25
  we're going to sort of dive into it really quickly.
• 41:29
  And it's a really important article because anybody who
• 41:33
  knows Michael Aquino knows on how avid and ravenous of
• 41:41
  atheistic Satanist he was. And it was a later point of
• 41:46
  contention that, you know, Michael Aquino, he was the first
• 41:52
  one of us to set out to prove Anton the Way wasn't an atheist
• 41:57
  and he was doing it before anybody else.
• 42:00
  And the reason was that was for that was later on after the
• 42:04
  schism, there was the rumors that Anton the way was a
• 42:09
  atheist. And he had certainly started
• 42:11
  drifting a little bit more towards the atheistic
• 42:15
  appearance, but he had never called himself an atheist.
• 42:19
  And that's where something like this comes into play really
• 42:23
  quickly. Before we get into anything, is
• 42:24
  there anything that anybody else wants to add in?
• 42:28
  Well, I was curious if so far, with all the evidence we've
• 42:32
  already provided, has it actually gotten through to any
• 42:36
  of the Church of Satan or some of the people that have been
• 42:39
  attacking you? Well, it definitely seems that
• 42:43
  the attacks are easing off. I'm going to say that right now.
• 42:49
  I can almost guarantee you it's starting to get through to the
• 42:51
  Church Satan that we're coming back.
• 42:53
  We have a lot of evidence. It's very difficult to combat
• 42:58
  with us, especially in my last video when I told Church Satan
• 43:01
  to go fuck off that and if you want to bleep me out on your
• 43:07
  channel, Brett, you can. But I'm not monetized.
• 43:09
  So, you know, you say whatever you want.
• 43:11
  You say whatever you want. But no, I told Church for Satan
• 43:17
  to fuck off. And that was because, you know,
• 43:18
  they had become so hostile and whatnot, so unable to see past
• 43:25
  anything. They tried to Satan's plain
• 43:28
  away. Things like this away.
• 43:31
  You know, things like the Joe Pine show trying to make it
• 43:34
  sound like, you know, he, you know, Anton Lavey was just
• 43:38
  joking around and everything. And you know, when we look at
• 43:41
  the Barton letter, which we will look at that here in very
• 43:45
  shortly, we can actually see that she called out everything
• 43:52
  that they're doing. And it's really fucking weird
• 43:56
  because she wrote that letter in 1998, in January 1998, just a
• 44:01
  few months after Anton Lavey died.
• 44:03
  And here we are 2024, and they are still performing the same
• 44:08
  shit on other people to browbeat them into submission.
• 44:14
  So this article becomes a very significant point for anybody
• 44:20
  who is trying to show the truth, because it was written the year
• 44:25
  before, published the year before Anton Loeve and Michael
• 44:28
  Aquino split. The big rumor at this time was
• 44:33
  that Michael Aquino and Anton Loeve split over a disagreement
• 44:37
  of theism versus atheism. No, that wasn't it at all.
• 44:42
  Anton Lavey at that time started performing some pretty shady
• 44:46
  shit. And yes, I'm going to flat out
• 44:50
  call Anton out on this. He started doing some pretty
• 44:53
  shady shit. He was selling priesthoods for a
• 44:56
  monetary sum. Aquino had a problem with that.
• 44:59
  A lot of Church Satan members who had busted their ass to get
• 45:05
  ordained properly, just like these three men that you see
• 45:10
  here, Brett, they busted their ass to each get ordained
• 45:13
  properly. To hear that Anton was selling
• 45:20
  for a monetary sum, the clergy ship, you know, a priesthood,
• 45:27
  it's sort of a slap in the face. And Aquino took a very steep
• 45:31
  grievance to it, and so did many other members of the Church
• 45:34
  Satan at that time, and they broke away from the Church Satan
• 45:37
  to form the Temple of Set. And that was the true story of
• 45:42
  the schism. It had nothing to do with
• 45:44
  atheism versus theism. That whole myth came around
• 45:48
  later on. Go ahead, Frank.
• 45:52
  So I don't know how it it could have even possibly done that
• 45:56
  because it evens the states in black magic that was written by
• 46:01
  Michael Aquino and that was, I do believe, a few years even
• 46:05
  before Lebay had passed away. He tells you right there in the
• 46:10
  book, that's why they left. It's right there.
• 46:14
  Like this letter could have never even came into existence.
• 46:17
  And the proof is still there. Why what happened happened?
• 46:21
  And it was published by him, written by him.
• 46:25
  So if if we know that information is out there, that
• 46:29
  Michael Aquino has many writings about the Church of Satan and
• 46:34
  studying ISM in general, I don't understand why you would ignore
• 46:39
  that. Why it would take some letter or
• 46:44
  you would need to hear it from Michael Aquino's mouth.
• 46:47
  He he wrote it, and he wrote it years ago, and it wasn't right
• 46:53
  before he died. It was or by someone else.
• 46:55
  It was written by him. May I ask a question?
• 47:01
  The you're saying that he basically gave out higher ranks
• 47:04
  to people that had not been there for as long?
• 47:08
  Would I be wrong in stating that this was mostly done for
• 47:12
  celebrities or popular famous people with money?
• 47:16
  Yes, yeah, there. Was done Marilyn Manson.
• 47:21
  There was definitely a few famous people who got honorary
• 47:24
  priesthoods, but at that point, mine Levay was very careful to
• 47:29
  use the term honorary priesthood instead of yeah, you're an
• 47:33
  actual priest. One of the biggest, most famous
• 47:36
  people to receive an honorary priesthood was Sammy Davis
• 47:40
  Junior, and you'll see pictures of Sammy Davis Junior with Anton
• 47:44
  Levay and Michael Aquino and whatnot.
• 47:48
  You know, Queeno and Levay were both very big fans of Sammy
• 47:52
  Davis and you know they got all got along very well.
• 47:59
  Sammy Davis Junior, from what I understand also kind of did the
• 48:03
  same thing in reverse to them and made them unofficial members
• 48:06
  of the Rat Pack. So there is that.
• 48:11
  But yes, originally it was just honorary priesthoods to people.
• 48:20
  Chris, go ahead. I was thinking about what, like
• 48:25
  Kane had said about the, you know, how they could have this
• 48:29
  letter and then still not pay attention to it and still see
• 48:32
  what they said. And I'm sitting here thinking
• 48:34
  back about our earlier conversations about abortion and
• 48:38
  how they're still trying to say that by the time he died, Anton
• 48:42
  Lavey was anti abortion. That he had never said that it
• 48:46
  was anti satanic, that he changed his mind by the time he
• 48:48
  died. But he didn't go to like the
• 48:50
  book Satan Speaks, which was released post human post death.
• 48:56
  And in his chapter entitled Third Side Perspectives, it
• 49:01
  actually says that Satanically speaking, he cannot support
• 49:04
  abortion. So the fact that the work is out
• 49:08
  there, that the words are out there, I just don't think they
• 49:10
  care. They're just trying to sell
• 49:11
  their. Bullshit.
• 49:16
  Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
• 49:18
  All right, so guys, we've been procrastinating this long
• 49:21
  enough. Let's go ahead and dive into
• 49:23
  this article really quickly and well, actually, before we get
• 49:28
  into this one, let's go ahead and cover this one really
• 49:33
  quickly. Now for those of you who have
• 49:36
  not watched my video talking about this article, you can go
• 49:40
  over to my YouTube channel and you can see the full video where
• 49:44
  I read a very specific part of this letter and I go into
• 49:50
  explaining it quite well. And so we're going to, we're
• 49:54
  going to do the same thing here where I'm going to quick, I'm
• 49:59
  not going to stop and just give critique.
• 50:01
  I'm just going to quickly do a quick read through of the third
• 50:06
  paragraph because that is the most important paragraph of this
• 50:11
  letter. So it's that big long paragraph
• 50:13
  near the end. I'm just going to do a quick
• 50:15
  read through that and so everybody can see it and then we
• 50:20
  will discuss this letter very much.
• 50:25
  So actually we'll we'll go back and we will talk about the
• 50:29
  second paragraph here too, but I want to cover the third
• 50:33
  paragraph first because that is the most important.
• 50:37
  So here we go. As for saying Doctor Levay
• 50:40
  believed in the Devil, I think that it's fairly obvious from
• 50:44
  his philosophy, from his books he's written, the interviews
• 50:48
  he's given, and the organization he founded.
• 50:51
  How he defined Satan and how he uses the concept of the metaphor
• 50:56
  of the devil is also fairly obvious.
• 50:59
  But I would be lying if when asked the direct question, quote
• 51:05
  did Doctor Levay believe in the Devil?
• 51:08
  End Quote I were to answer quote no, he didn't.
• 51:14
  End Quote I think I've elaborated on this idea in my
• 51:20
  books and in the articles I've written.
• 51:22
  I lost my place in the articles I've written, but apparently Mr.
• 51:31
  Wolf hasn't bothered to read them.
• 51:34
  He considers himself qualified to make judgments on whether I
• 51:39
  am fascistic, satanic, and or stupid based on my appearance
• 51:46
  rather than my writings. He apparently objected to my
• 51:51
  answer to my answering such a question with a forthright yes,
• 51:58
  when I was faced with the national television cameras and
• 52:02
  speaking to an audience of American dunderheads.
• 52:06
  And I won't cop out by saying I was grieving, I was.
• 52:10
  But I also was thinking of the people who were grieving the
• 52:13
  loss of our leader all around the world and how it would sound
• 52:18
  to them if the first thing they heard after he after he's dead,
• 52:23
  they hear someone close to him say essentially, oh, he never
• 52:27
  really believed all that crap. He never really believed in the
• 52:31
  devil. He was just fooling.
• 52:34
  If I was a Satanist out there, weeping and despondent, I would
• 52:38
  rather hear a voice clearly say you're damn right he believed in
• 52:44
  the devil, you assholes. Whether you want to take the
• 52:48
  watts to understand it or not, that's really the way he felt
• 52:55
  about the whole issue. He'd written books, but it
• 52:59
  wasn't up to him to defend himself or explain away people's
• 53:03
  fears beyond that. If they didn't get it, that was
• 53:09
  their problem. As he said, these were his
• 53:14
  ideas, how he lived his life, and if no one else in the world
• 53:19
  agreed with him, he'd still be living his life and thinking the
• 53:23
  same thoughts whether people understood or not.
• 53:28
  That was powerful, and I don't think it should ever be
• 53:33
  undermined by trying to rewrite or apologize for it.
• 53:39
  It was him, and it's an attitude many share.
• 53:47
  I want people to pay attention to a few specific words that she
• 53:53
  utilized in that and it was especially in the final lines,
• 53:58
  but also where she was talking about how she had been accused
• 54:04
  of being fascistic, whether she was Satanic or not, and that she
• 54:10
  was being judged by her appearance.
• 54:12
  Anybody who's seen pictures of Blanche during this time frame
• 54:17
  would know she was a heavier set woman at this time.
• 54:21
  She was a full figured woman and just like her, I've been hounded
• 54:29
  because I'm a little bit heavier set in my middle age.
• 54:33
  She was called stupid. She was called ignorant,
• 54:37
  probably illiterate. I've received same jabs and
• 54:41
  jibes. People have seen them.
• 54:43
  And she was called a Nazi. She was called a fascist.
• 54:48
  A Nazi. Jeez, what does that sound like
• 54:51
  people? Doesn't that sound all like
• 54:55
  attacking arguments of the political left?
• 55:01
  It does. It does.
• 55:05
  I mean, that's all we saw. How many?
• 55:07
  How many people here have received those same attacks?
• 55:11
  I have not, actually. I have not received anything
• 55:15
  like that from anyone, which I'm very surprised about, but I have
• 55:19
  not. Well.
• 55:24
  I'll tell you what, In social media, I've always told my
• 55:27
  friends, the more popular relevant you get, it doesn't get
• 55:31
  better for you. It gets worse.
• 55:33
  And as far as insults go, I think that I could probably
• 55:36
  write a couple trilogies based upon the words that have been
• 55:39
  used for me. Yeah, I I think we can all agree
• 55:47
  with that. I mean, anybody who's on the
• 55:49
  political right has received similar attacks in my opinion.
• 55:55
  The other thing that I want people to pay attention to, and
• 55:57
  this is the more important part we've established, that they use
• 56:01
  the same attacks on her that they use nowadays, but in the
• 56:05
  last two lines she says I don't think it should ever be
• 56:10
  undermined by trying to rewrite or apologize for it.
• 56:17
  That was a very interesting statement that she made right
• 56:20
  there because at this point in time, no one was of the mind
• 56:25
  publicly that to try to rewrite anything.
• 56:30
  Yet here she is talking about rewriting and undermining his
• 56:35
  philosophy to, you know, change it and to apologize for it.
• 56:41
  What not I'll. I'll turn it over to you guys.
• 56:47
  What do you guys have to think about that?
• 56:49
  What are what are your guys's opinions?
• 56:52
  I don't think that they rewrote really anything solidly on paper
• 56:56
  like we discussed the books put out.
• 56:58
  But I think their essays and a lot of the stuff that they're
• 57:01
  putting out on Facebook and everything like that to their
• 57:04
  members from their upper clergy is reshaping the way they all
• 57:08
  think. And despite the fact that they
• 57:10
  write a lot of right wing stuff, they're all left wing mindsetted
• 57:16
  and they've all become a bunch of apologetics.
• 57:22
  Yeah, they they use all their platforms too, like Instagram
• 57:26
  and like you called, which was funny because I was about to
• 57:29
  like send it to you. But you, I guess you it popped
• 57:33
  up on your stuff too where it's just they misquote parts of you
• 57:38
  know the Satan speaks and just to fit their agenda their little
• 57:43
  but they don't quote the whole thing that describes a little
• 57:45
  bit more as to what he's. Talking about, yeah, they they
• 57:47
  did something like that just recently on Facebook, and it
• 57:50
  came out of Satan, Me, that a quote was made of Anton Lavey
• 57:56
  from Blanche Barton's book The Secret Life of a Satanist.
• 58:01
  And it was just a tiny little quote.
• 58:04
  And if you just looked at that small, tiny little quote,
• 58:08
  isolated, it would sound completely atheistic.
• 58:12
  But I went ahead behind them and I put the whole paragraph
• 58:18
  discussing it, and it just completely blew that out of the
• 58:22
  water. It put a completely different
• 58:24
  spin on it. And yeah, they definitely did
• 58:29
  not like that. One of your friends mentioned
• 58:33
  earlier in the conversation about Anton's views on abortion,
• 58:38
  and that while we were talking and I was definitely listening,
• 58:43
  I looked up and I found some letters.
• 58:45
  Now I would need you to validate them and tell me if they're
• 58:48
  official. But if this is true, what his
• 58:50
  views were about children and abortion, then he and I agree.
• 58:56
  I I was absolutely shocked. He was.
• 58:58
  Very anti abortion. There's two actual articles.
• 59:02
  There was one that he wrote in letters from the Devil where he
• 59:05
  was responding to a person. And actually I can.
• 59:10
  I'm not going to pull it up on my computer, but I can at least
• 59:14
  go ahead and find it really quickly.
• 59:16
  I I did post you a link in private chat that takes it
• 59:20
  directly to these specific topics if you're interested.
• 59:24
  All right, so I'm opening up the link.
• 59:28
  Anton Leon. Satanism and abortion.
• 59:30
  Could somebody go ahead and please?
• 59:35
  I know that if Satan speaks, he says that a child or an unborn
• 59:41
  child should not have to suffer the repercussions for their
• 59:45
  irresponsible parents decision. And if the mother is not
• 59:48
  responsible enough to make a responsible decision for her
• 59:51
  unborn child, that the father should be given the ability to
• 59:54
  make the decision. And if he's not able to make the
• 59:56
  decision for that responsible decision for that unborn child
• 1:00:00
  that he should be pretty much chemically castrated or made so
• 1:00:04
  that he cannot reproduce anyhow? So strong with his views about
• 1:00:09
  that. See, that's pretty interesting.
• 1:00:12
  Nowadays you notice that a lot of people say that the man
• 1:00:15
  should not have an opinion or view in the matter even though
• 1:00:19
  he participated, and I find that to be absolutely atrocious.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, this is actually a pretty good thing.
• 1:00:26
  And yeah, it was definitely AI. This is the letters from the
• 1:00:30
  devil one, I believe because it says letters from the devil,
• 1:00:36
  which let's go ahead and let me go ahead and read this.
• 1:00:40
  So what for people who don't know what letters from the devil
• 1:00:43
  was. It was a weekly periodical where
• 1:00:46
  people could write Anton Lavey and he would respond to them in
• 1:00:49
  the newspaper and he would talk about different subjects.
• 1:00:52
  Sometimes we post a letters to the devil in the cloven hoof.
• 1:00:56
  This new cloven hoof issue does not have it because we didn't
• 1:00:59
  get any letters this time. But so somebody wrote in to
• 1:01:05
  Anton Lavey and he responded to them.
• 1:01:09
  And this was March 21st, 1971 that he said this and this
• 1:01:18
  article was literally what he said was The staggering number
• 1:01:24
  of illegal abortions would diminish overnight, overnight if
• 1:01:28
  the antiquated approach to birth control were replaced with a
• 1:01:32
  strict government controlled program which made it mandatory
• 1:01:39
  for each person to adopt A method of contraceptive that
• 1:01:44
  would preclude the possibility of birth due to, quote, UN
• 1:01:47
  quote, forgetfulness. Excuse me, ignorance or
• 1:01:52
  irresponsibility. Abortion is unnatural and
• 1:01:57
  unnecessary. Man is the only animal who who
• 1:02:01
  practices such wanton killing of its young, and yet man considers
• 1:02:08
  himself emancipated and more highly involved than any other
• 1:02:13
  species. Legalized abortion would have a
• 1:02:17
  disastrously demoralizing effect on our society.
• 1:02:21
  Or it would further instil the notion that human life is one of
• 1:02:25
  the cheapest commodities in the world to anyone who would
• 1:02:29
  presume to, quote, play God UN quote nonchalantly turning
• 1:02:36
  thumbs down on any tiny person who's only crime is existing as
• 1:02:42
  nature dictated. He must, I say, either accept
• 1:02:47
  the blame and bear your cross, or else reject the barbaric
• 1:02:52
  religion which has distorted your reason and robbed you of
• 1:02:57
  the right to choose. How can these murderous deeds be
• 1:03:03
  rationalized? Does it not occur to the
• 1:03:06
  proponents of legalized abortion that their actions may result in
• 1:03:11
  the destruction of embryos which could mature into mighty leaders
• 1:03:16
  or great teachers? How can even how can we even
• 1:03:20
  consider the senseless annihilation of our unborn when
• 1:03:26
  it is due to the stupidity and neglect of their parents that
• 1:03:30
  they were created? I would defy all logic to
• 1:03:35
  execute a child for a murder committed by one of his parents,
• 1:03:40
  but to me it seems equally illogical to punish any unborn
• 1:03:44
  child for the action of his parents.
• 1:03:48
  Society must reject any religious creed if it requires
• 1:03:53
  that its adherents produce unwanted human life only to have
• 1:03:57
  it destroyed. Anton Lavey, Letters from the
• 1:04:01
  Devil, March 21st, 1971. Thank you for that, Brett.
• 1:04:07
  It's pretty powerful stuff, my. Man, it really is and I would
• 1:04:11
  like to give me a quick second guys, go ahead and speak amongst
• 1:04:14
  yourselves. I'm going to find this article
• 1:04:17
  in the Satanic Testament, which I did reproduce and I will read
• 1:04:21
  out what was written, the portion that was written for the
• 1:04:26
  third side argument, which was published in 1998, a year after
• 1:04:32
  Anton Lavey died. So let me go where that you guys
• 1:04:35
  go ahead and speak amongst yourselves.
• 1:04:37
  I'll probably end up having to. Once I get to feeling better and
• 1:04:40
  I'm not sweating like a piglet over here from the sickness,
• 1:04:44
  I'll probably end up making a video about that.
• 1:04:47
  That's pretty powerful, pretty powerful material there.
• 1:04:52
  I have a question, Brett. I mean, after reading some of
• 1:04:56
  this material by Anton La Vey, I mean it it sounds like some of
• 1:05:02
  the stuff is kind of resonating with your own personal
• 1:05:05
  viewpoints. I mean, what other viewpoints
• 1:05:07
  besides the abortion issue kind of resonates with you?
• 1:05:12
  Well, I don't know if you had a chance to see my my video where
• 1:05:16
  I played him through where he's talking to a host.
• 1:05:20
  I thought the host was quite disrespectful.
• 1:05:22
  I repeatedly paused and remember going off and how the guy was
• 1:05:27
  behaving towards him. In the interview, he actually
• 1:05:29
  physically assaults Mr. Levay. Did you guys see that part of
• 1:05:33
  it? Yeah, I've seen it.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, just. I couldn't believe it.
• 1:05:39
  Yeah, he like bopped him on the head with the with the
• 1:05:42
  clipboard. I found the part, by the way,
• 1:05:45
  guys. Yeah, he whacked him on the head
• 1:05:48
  and Levay took it. He didn't respond.
• 1:05:50
  He didn't do anything about it. But yeah, if that was modern day
• 1:05:54
  times, I'm pretty sure Levay would have saved the living shit
• 1:05:58
  out of him. I think I it's possible I might
• 1:06:04
  have just slapped the guy in the mouth or pulled a Joker scene.
• 1:06:07
  I don't know. Jeez.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah. So, all right, we're going to go
• 1:06:19
  ahead and we're going to read this part.
• 1:06:21
  Looks like Chris had to use the facilities.
• 1:06:24
  So may may I answer this guy just real quickly, The guy who
• 1:06:27
  said that some of this resonates with me.
• 1:06:30
  Actually, so far, everything I've looked into and all the
• 1:06:33
  interviews I've seen, there's nothing that the guy has said
• 1:06:37
  that I disagree with. I haven't heard his full views
• 1:06:41
  on the concept of God. But what he said about
• 1:06:44
  Christianity and what he said about us trying to live our
• 1:06:47
  lives to the fullest, do right by people, how can I say that's
• 1:06:51
  wrong if that's how I feel about things, Right.
• 1:06:54
  So that. Exactly.
• 1:06:55
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:06:58
  I was just interested because like there are some I guess when
• 1:07:04
  it comes to how we identify as what like what's sensible among
• 1:07:10
  people and you know Burger I I think across all culture can be
• 1:07:15
  seen as that's kind of frowned upon.
• 1:07:19
  And then in that sub context we see abortion and it's like that
• 1:07:24
  that should also be a a universal thing like that's
• 1:07:28
  that's not really OK. But here we are going back and
• 1:07:32
  forth for almost 100 years about it in this country.
• 1:07:37
  So it it's just kind of no, just kind of like being curious as to
• 1:07:41
  what you thought. What else kind of resonated from
• 1:07:44
  a Christian perspective when you actually look at what he is
• 1:07:48
  saying and you actually see, well, you know what some of
• 1:07:53
  those criticism about the church is kind of spot on.
• 1:07:57
  You know, some of the criticism about how people interact and
• 1:08:02
  how we have psychic vampires, you know, kind of be aware of
• 1:08:06
  like people that try to use you or take advantage of you.
• 1:08:11
  I mean, those sort of things I I think are pretty universal, at
• 1:08:14
  least here in America. I guess the last thing I can
• 1:08:18
  say, and then I definitely want to hear what our friend has to
• 1:08:20
  say about this. But I I think that one of the
• 1:08:23
  problems that that Christians and Satanists might find
• 1:08:27
  themselves in as they can't get past the labels, they can't get
• 1:08:31
  past this idea or this pigeonhole that they put each
• 1:08:35
  other in. If you can get past that and
• 1:08:37
  look into the heart of the person and try to understand
• 1:08:40
  them, you'll find common ground every time.
• 1:08:42
  And that's what I try to do. And that's something that I'm
• 1:08:46
  going to want to address with with you, Brett, after we get
• 1:08:51
  off this subject and whatnot. I definitely want to talk about
• 1:08:58
  that because I read, I watched TTO Rs video talking about how
• 1:09:04
  he interviewed his whole discussion with me.
• 1:09:08
  And you know, I like him as a person, but he made some serious
• 1:09:12
  mistakes that a lot of Christians tend to make.
• 1:09:15
  But we will discuss that after this.
• 1:09:18
  Before I read this really quickly, I want to express my
• 1:09:21
  perspective on the abortion issue.
• 1:09:24
  This is my personal perspective, and how it should be approached
• 1:09:28
  is that I personally do not feel abortions, for just general
• 1:09:32
  purposes, should be legal at all.
• 1:09:35
  I I feel that they should be blackballed.
• 1:09:37
  If a person went out of their way to not use birth control, to
• 1:09:42
  not be proactive, they should not have that right to end a
• 1:09:47
  life needlessly. But if they've taken that
• 1:09:51
  proactive stance and whatnot, there shouldn't even be the
• 1:09:54
  question that an abortion is even necessary.
• 1:09:57
  And in the instance where birth control at that point fails,
• 1:10:02
  they should not be punished by it.
• 1:10:04
  But yet they should not end the life prematurely.
• 1:10:06
  Certainly adoption is an option. I know I was adopted out when I
• 1:10:12
  was an infant, and fortunately I've gotten to know my birth
• 1:10:16
  mother and my birth family, and we all love each other and we're
• 1:10:19
  very close to each other. But for those people who want to
• 1:10:24
  go out and deliberately not use birth control and have sex and
• 1:10:30
  do all these things, and then they wonder why they ended up
• 1:10:33
  getting pregnant, they go out and they get an abortion, I
• 1:10:36
  think that's that's an absolute atrocity.
• 1:10:39
  Certainly I agree with Anton Le in his perspective that birth
• 1:10:44
  control should be mandatory. We should be mandatorily put on
• 1:10:49
  birth control, both men and women, to some degree, wherever
• 1:10:54
  possible, and certainly in order to become a parent, and I'm
• 1:10:58
  speaking as a parent myself, I feel that being a parent,
• 1:11:03
  should, you need to have AI believe, you need to have a
• 1:11:06
  license to take care of a child. We have to have licenses to own
• 1:11:10
  guns. We have to have the licenses to
• 1:11:11
  drive cars. We don't need to have licenses
• 1:11:14
  to raise another human being. I mean, come on.
• 1:11:17
  Even when we go to adopt, we have to undergo these procedures
• 1:11:25
  to make sure we're fit parents. I believe that there should be
• 1:11:28
  procedures to make sure that the parent goes through parenting
• 1:11:31
  classes to make sure they're not psychotic.
• 1:11:33
  They need to go through therapy. They need to be analyzed by
• 1:11:37
  therapists to make sure they're of the mindset to be parents and
• 1:11:40
  be stable parents and be good parents.
• 1:11:43
  That is my opinion there. However, I am of the opinion
• 1:11:48
  that there are times when there is an unfortunate need for
• 1:11:55
  abortion for medical necessity, when the mother's life is in
• 1:12:00
  danger from an atopic pregnancy, when you know it is blatant that
• 1:12:07
  one or both of the both of them is going to die.
• 1:12:12
  If this is carried to term, I believe that at that point
• 1:12:18
  abortion should be put on the table as a possibility.
• 1:12:22
  Certainly, Diana, my girly, went through a very similar situation
• 1:12:28
  with our son Robert. Now, fortunately, both of them
• 1:12:30
  are fine. They were able to take my son 15
• 1:12:34
  weeks early in order to end the pregnancy, but if it had been
• 1:12:37
  allowed to continue, she would have died.
• 1:12:42
  And that is a situation that it is a very tough situation that
• 1:12:45
  we had to face and I had to ask myself some very serious
• 1:12:50
  questions there and fortunately we didn't have to make that
• 1:12:54
  choice. But I literally had to look at
• 1:12:57
  the doctors because the doctor asked me if we could only save
• 1:13:00
  one of them. Which one do you want us to
• 1:13:02
  save? And I told the doctor flat out
• 1:13:05
  save the mother, you know, we will mourn the child.
• 1:13:10
  And that's a very sad thing to say.
• 1:13:12
  Now some of these kids, they're born with extreme deformities or
• 1:13:17
  they will never live a full prosperous life or they will to
• 1:13:23
  some degree or another suffer through life.
• 1:13:26
  They will always need to be medically care for by other
• 1:13:30
  people, and some of them to a very extreme degree.
• 1:13:35
  I know there is one young lady, young girl that was in Mexico,
• 1:13:41
  who she was only born with a brain stem.
• 1:13:44
  Just enough of a brain to function her body.
• 1:13:47
  There's not enough brain to even be there functionally in the
• 1:13:50
  mind. She has no conscious idea of
• 1:13:53
  where she's at and what's going on.
• 1:13:55
  She just does everything on autopilot and her head's shaped
• 1:13:59
  like a bowl. There's nothing literally inside
• 1:14:01
  her skull, nothing between her ears.
• 1:14:04
  Why should we force this mother to suffer in taking care of
• 1:14:09
  this, for the most part, vegetable.
• 1:14:13
  The child should have been in this instant released from its
• 1:14:19
  suffering and allowed to pass on.
• 1:14:23
  The mother should have been allowed to mourn the loss of the
• 1:14:26
  child. It's very sad.
• 1:14:28
  It is very tragic and it should be treated as a tragedy.
• 1:14:33
  Abortion is never a kind thing and it should always be treated
• 1:14:36
  as tragedy and that is my opinion on it.
• 1:14:39
  If there is a medical reason, a very valid medical reason for
• 1:14:43
  it, then we should have that on the table.
• 1:14:46
  But if there is not, then absolutely no, there should be
• 1:14:50
  no reason for abortion whatsoever.
• 1:14:53
  And that is my opinions now that I've lectured everybody on that.
• 1:15:00
  No. It sounded like an important
• 1:15:02
  point, and I agree with you. Only on serious certain
• 1:15:06
  conditions will I consider it acceptable.
• 1:15:09
  But I know that people who don't do go through those experiences,
• 1:15:13
  they don't do it out of malice or spite.
• 1:15:15
  If they could say both, they would, you know.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah, certainly. And I've known plenty of people
• 1:15:21
  who have had children with such extreme deformities that the
• 1:15:27
  child suffers and whatnot and the parents are virtually
• 1:15:33
  grieving because they hate seeing their child suffering.
• 1:15:35
  And they were they they didn't get the abortion they wish that
• 1:15:40
  they had in order to spare the child and they regret their
• 1:15:46
  choice of forcing the child to live.
• 1:15:47
  And I've known at least two people who have gone to prison
• 1:15:51
  because they put their children out of their misery.
• 1:15:53
  And certainly we don't let our pets go through suffering when
• 1:15:57
  they become injured. Or if they're born with extreme
• 1:16:01
  deformities, we don't allow them to live.
• 1:16:03
  We put them down, and yet we get punished when we do the same
• 1:16:07
  thing. For a human, I think that's
• 1:16:09
  absolutely ridiculous, but if there is no reason for it there,
• 1:16:15
  then absolutely that should not be permitted.
• 1:16:18
  We have to be careful too, with the medical doctors and
• 1:16:22
  hospitals and all that with some of their claims.
• 1:16:25
  Whenever I brought a daughter into the world, they said she
• 1:16:28
  wasn't going to make it. They said that even if somehow
• 1:16:31
  she managed to, she wouldn't be able to walk, talk, she wouldn't
• 1:16:34
  be coherent. Well, now she's 20 years old,
• 1:16:37
  She works, she is smarter than her daddy and mommy put together
• 1:16:41
  and she's a bear. So don't always try to get a
• 1:16:45
  second opinion before making the ultimate or absolute decision,
• 1:16:50
  folks. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:16:52
  So let's go ahead and get on to this article.
• 1:16:55
  It's really interesting that we got into the whole abortion
• 1:16:57
  topic. I was planning this for a
• 1:16:59
  different video down the line, but you know, it's still a good
• 1:17:03
  topic to be on. So we're going to go into this
• 1:17:09
  now. This was written sometime before
• 1:17:14
  Anton Leigh's death in 97, but it was published a year after
• 1:17:19
  Antonovay's death. In Satan Speaks, so people want
• 1:17:22
  to go read that they can find it and Satan speaks.
• 1:17:25
  It is in the third side. Chris, what's the name of the
• 1:17:31
  article again? Third side perspectives.
• 1:17:38
  Third side Perspectives So you can go to and buy the book Satan
• 1:17:42
  speaks and find it there. Somebody's got a fancy?
• 1:17:46
  System. Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Chris can turn off your mic, please.
• 1:17:52
  Thank you. All right, So let's go ahead.
• 1:17:56
  This is somewhere, like down halfway through the article.
• 1:17:59
  So goes, for example, the science of eugenics provides
• 1:18:04
  solutions for the issue of abortion.
• 1:18:08
  Satanically speaking, I am against abortion.
• 1:18:12
  Yet I do consider a problem of overpopulation.
• 1:18:16
  Therefore, I advocate for compulsory birth control.
• 1:18:20
  Unborn babies did not ask to be conceived.
• 1:18:23
  Once conceived, they should have loving, responsible parents,
• 1:18:28
  even if adoptive. A stupid, irresponsible woman
• 1:18:34
  should not have the right to decide what she does with her
• 1:18:40
  own body when in all other things her mind is being
• 1:18:44
  controlled by impersonal vested interest.
• 1:18:48
  An unborn child's father should be it should influence the
• 1:18:53
  outcome of a pregnancy if it can be determined that he is the
• 1:18:57
  more responsible than the mother.
• 1:19:02
  If he is stupid, insensitive and irresponsible, he should be
• 1:19:07
  sterilized. Irresponsible parents, male or
• 1:19:10
  female, should simply be kept from conceiving children.
• 1:19:16
  The most vocal anti abortion crusaders are fundamentalist
• 1:19:20
  Christians. Their entire plan and purpose
• 1:19:24
  originated with the same motivation that propagates any
• 1:19:29
  ethnic or religious grouping to fill the world with more people
• 1:19:34
  like themselves. The woman's movement favors
• 1:19:39
  abortion on the grounds that a woman's body is hers alone to
• 1:19:45
  control as she chooses. Neither advocates mandatory
• 1:19:50
  birth control, and selective sterilization, which is a third
• 1:19:55
  side, could eliminate most of the entire issue.
• 1:20:01
  Of course, whenever an issue becomes more important than a
• 1:20:05
  solution. I don't expect to stumble over a
• 1:20:08
  third side. I respect some someone who would
• 1:20:13
  simply who simply admits that he or she doesn't like kids or
• 1:20:18
  dogs, cats, monkeys, zebras, or potato bugs for reasons of their
• 1:20:24
  own. When it's when they cloak their
• 1:20:26
  reasons in the can't populist causes that I become truculent.
• 1:20:40
  Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to shamelessly plug my book here
• 1:20:43
  really quickly. You can find this book on
• 1:20:46
  Amazon. It is called The Satanic
• 1:20:47
  Testament and it goes for about 30 bucks.
• 1:20:52
  If you want to read my views and opinions on Satanism and see
• 1:20:56
  quotes from Anton Lavey, Michael Aquino and various other
• 1:21:00
  Satanists, this is the book for you.
• 1:21:05
  You wouldn't happen to offer a Kindle, would you?
• 1:21:07
  I try to do that with my own books.
• 1:21:10
  We're thinking about here sometime soon going and
• 1:21:15
  providing some digital copies, but for the most part, a lot of
• 1:21:21
  us have chosen to stay away from the digital copies.
• 1:21:25
  A lot like to have that physical copy in our hands and we
• 1:21:31
  certainly, because we do rituals and whatnot, Oh, excuse me, we
• 1:21:36
  keep the books right there or we can physically see them.
• 1:21:39
  We're not sitting there talking on our cell phones or anything.
• 1:21:42
  We we like to have the physical material.
• 1:21:47
  If you want, I can provide you with APDF copy of my book
• 1:21:52
  personally, but I would ask that you don't share it around,
• 1:21:56
  right? The one of the reasons why I do
• 1:21:59
  the Kindle thing is obviously there's people out there that
• 1:22:02
  don't have good eyesight or trouble with hearing, and with a
• 1:22:06
  Kindle you can actually play an audio AI voice alongside it.
• 1:22:11
  Yeah, yeah, but that that is there, that is, that was Anton
• 1:22:17
  Levay's opinion right up to his death.
• 1:22:19
  So we we clearly show an article from 1971 where he states his
• 1:22:23
  opinions and then in 1998 his opinion didn't change one little
• 1:22:28
  bit. It was exactly the same from 71
• 1:22:33
  to the time of his death, didn't change it 1 little bit.
• 1:22:36
  And so that shows that, you know, he was still the same man
• 1:22:40
  right there. And I think that is a very
• 1:22:44
  important thing to show for this next article that we're going to
• 1:22:50
  read, which. I I would probably, if if you
• 1:22:54
  don't mind real quick. It's not just adoption isn't the
• 1:22:57
  only of their alternative folks. Women who have children, whether
• 1:23:02
  they have a man supporting them or not, they can get on programs
• 1:23:07
  that will actually help them, aren't low income home, help
• 1:23:11
  them with food and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:23:13
  Now, I know in some places in America it's absolute garbage,
• 1:23:17
  but there are places where you can get assistance.
• 1:23:20
  If you do decide to keep the child, go ahead.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right.
• 1:23:25
  And women have an easier time of getting this assistance than men
• 1:23:29
  do. Absolutely.
• 1:23:31
  They, you know, I've been a single father before, and it was
• 1:23:34
  a pain in the ass for me as a man to get on these assistance
• 1:23:38
  programs for the moment. A woman steps in, they're pretty
• 1:23:41
  much handed everything to them, and it's kind of ridiculous.
• 1:23:45
  It's kind of sad, but a woman is definitely clearly favored by
• 1:23:50
  the courts and by the system. Over a man.
• 1:23:52
  Now a man is expected to be able to take care of himself without
• 1:23:56
  any sort of assistance, so we tend to get shat on when it
• 1:24:01
  comes to that sort of thing. Absolutely agree.
• 1:24:04
  So what do we got here, Sarah? All right, So what we're looking
• 1:24:08
  at here is the Quo Bodice article by Michael Aquino.
• 1:24:13
  As I explained earlier, this was published in the Cloven Hoof the
• 1:24:16
  year before the famous 1975 schism, so it was published in
• 1:24:22
  1974. And at that point in time, Anton
• 1:24:27
  Lebay had taken back over the Cloven Hoof publication.
• 1:24:31
  He was the editor in chief, So this article would have had to
• 1:24:35
  come across his desk personally and get his personal stamp of
• 1:24:39
  approval on it to be published. And that's is the key, most
• 1:24:47
  important thing here. Because what we will explore
• 1:24:50
  here in this article is that this article answers a question
• 1:24:56
  that was asked very direct, very straightforward.
• 1:24:59
  Aquino answers it with an emphatic, unarguable yes, Satan
• 1:25:05
  exists. And so if Anton Lavey was an
• 1:25:08
  atheist, he would have never allowed this public, this
• 1:25:11
  article, to go past his desk. He would have definitely, just,
• 1:25:15
  you know, taken it from, you know, his submissions folder and
• 1:25:19
  just dropped it into the waste bin next to him.
• 1:25:22
  You know, as would have been the want of any atheist.
• 1:25:26
  But no, he put a stamp of approval on it, put it into the
• 1:25:30
  issue of the clove and hoof, and send it out the door to be
• 1:25:33
  printed and published to all the Church Satan members.
• 1:25:37
  That kind of is very loud speaking.
• 1:25:40
  So we're going to go ahead and we're going to read this
• 1:25:43
  article. I'm going to go ahead and Nope,
• 1:25:49
  that doesn't work. I was hoping to blow up the
• 1:25:52
  article so I could see it a little bit better, but that's
• 1:25:55
  not going to work for me. So here we go, the Cloven Hoof
• 1:26:00
  Volume 6. There there is a way for you to
• 1:26:04
  zoom it up if you really want to.
• 1:26:06
  And how would that be? There is a a little button under
• 1:26:10
  the screen looks like a pen. If you click that, you'd be able
• 1:26:13
  to edit your screen and drag it open more to make it bigger.
• 1:26:18
  I don't see that. Oh, I see it.
• 1:26:21
  All right, so let's see. Here then you got to hit save.
• 1:26:34
  It's not working for me. I'm.
• 1:26:38
  Sorry, I could. I can take it down, but I can't
• 1:26:41
  put it up. So we're just going to go with
• 1:26:47
  it as is and I'm just going to kind of inch really close to the
• 1:26:51
  screen so I can read it. So it's from the Cloven Hoof,
• 1:26:55
  Volume 6 #4 M July through August, you're 9.
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  Anositanus Copyright 1974 CE by the Church of Satan.
• 1:27:11
  Quo Vadis by Michael Aquino. Among our our male, we find a
• 1:27:17
  significant number of comments something like this.
• 1:27:21
  When I joined the Church of Satan, I thought that I was
• 1:27:24
  becoming a member of a religious organization dedicated to the
• 1:27:27
  worship of the devil. At least The Satanic Bible left
• 1:27:32
  me with the impression with this impression, But while the cloven
• 1:27:36
  hoof is all very interesting from a philosophical and
• 1:27:40
  materialistic standpoint, it seems to regard devil worship as
• 1:27:45
  a little more than a convenient allegory.
• 1:27:48
  Is this a church? Does Satan really exist?
• 1:27:53
  If so, where and in what form? And why are the leaders of the
• 1:27:59
  Church, Satan, so reluctant to discuss questions of literal
• 1:28:04
  demonology? Earlier in our live stream?
• 1:28:11
  Chris, you expressed exactly these questions when you joined
• 1:28:15
  the Church, Satan, am I correct? Yes, there's actually this
• 1:28:21
  article that I was referring to whenever I was saying that I
• 1:28:23
  felt the same way that they were expressing.
• 1:28:27
  Yeah, so this is actually a really common way of many people
• 1:28:35
  are when you read the Satanic Bible, when you read the Satanic
• 1:28:39
  witch, especially the The Complete Witch which was its
• 1:28:43
  original version and the Satanic Witch with Zena Levay's
• 1:28:47
  introduction to it. And then when you read the
• 1:28:50
  Satanic rituals, it is all very theistic sounding.
• 1:28:54
  It all leaves you with the strong impression of theism.
• 1:28:58
  So let's go ahead and continue. Before we respond to this, a
• 1:29:03
  brief preface is in order. During the days of the original
• 1:29:07
  Magic Circle in San Francisco, and for the first few years of
• 1:29:11
  the church itself, little effort was made to disguise the literal
• 1:29:17
  core of our doctrines. At that time there was no
• 1:29:22
  Wiccans, pseudo Satanist, journalistic, occult authorities
• 1:29:28
  or dime a dozen Dark Shadows film reducing films, reducing
• 1:29:32
  the Prince of Darkness to soap opera status.
• 1:29:37
  There was only the Church of Satan.
• 1:29:40
  We are all familiar with what happened next.
• 1:29:44
  Rosemary's Baby, produced with the Church of Satan's Guidance,
• 1:29:50
  touched off an international fad greater than goldfish,
• 1:29:55
  swallowing phone booth stuffing, hula hoops and zoot suits all
• 1:30:01
  together. Suddenly everyone was into the
• 1:30:05
  occult, and if one was swashbuckling, one was a
• 1:30:10
  Satanist, if timid, A Wiccan if fuddy Duddy, a Theosophist, or a
• 1:30:19
  Rosicrucian, if sexually obsessed, A Sadomasochist if
• 1:30:25
  altruistic, a Jesus Freak if chicken, a reporter or observer,
• 1:30:31
  but always an authority. Satan himself became a tennis
• 1:30:40
  ball. Prior to 1966.
• 1:30:42
  He was allegorical. Suddenly it was de rigueur that
• 1:30:49
  he was very, very literal, much more so than God.
• 1:30:55
  Do you remember the old Time cover?
• 1:30:59
  The old Time cover, referring to Time magazine?
• 1:31:04
  Is God dead? Then someone made the profound
• 1:31:08
  discovery that Satan was a Hebrew term, and there were one
• 1:31:14
  or two religions on this planet besides Judaism and
• 1:31:18
  Christianity. Immediately Satanism was passe.
• 1:31:23
  Satan was passe. The thing to do now was to
• 1:31:27
  revive the worship of the primeval fertility gods and
• 1:31:31
  goddesses that the Neanderthals runted over, runted over.
• 1:31:41
  Finally, some enthusiasts actually managed to regress past
• 1:31:45
  the Neanderthal stage to Krishna consciousness.
• 1:31:50
  Scientology and Guru Maharayi. I can't even pronounce that,
• 1:31:57
  Mahariyaji, whatever that is. Is it really any wonder then
• 1:32:06
  that the Church Satan withdrew literal Satanism, quote, UN
• 1:32:09
  quote, from the public arena? In our pronouncements,
• 1:32:13
  publications, press releases, the devil became an allegory for
• 1:32:19
  materialism and the Unchained human ego.
• 1:32:23
  Speaking in such terms, we could could continue to gain the ear
• 1:32:29
  of people who really matter, the de facto Satanists of the world
• 1:32:34
  we had. Had we continued to champion a
• 1:32:37
  literal devil, media distortion would have lumped us together
• 1:32:42
  with nut elements, and our access to serious channels of
• 1:32:46
  communication would have been seriously impaired.
• 1:32:50
  I'm going to stop here really quickly, guys, to get people's
• 1:32:53
  opinion. We see the first hints of why
• 1:32:59
  that Satanists withdrew from the theistic arena publicly, but
• 1:33:06
  he's making it very clear here that this was only on the public
• 1:33:10
  side of things, in order to preserve the real teachings
• 1:33:16
  internally. Guys, what's your opinions on
• 1:33:20
  this? I think that they started off
• 1:33:24
  with an outward facade of the devil being not real.
• 1:33:30
  There's just been a softball. And they start bringing in the
• 1:33:32
  wrong crowd. And we just got too much of the
• 1:33:34
  wrong crowd and then just flooded in and there was no
• 1:33:38
  going back because we got Peter Gilmore.
• 1:33:41
  They came in. Eventually, they started
• 1:33:43
  flooding the gates even more. Well, in a way I'm I can gladly
• 1:33:50
  say I'm glad that that happened because Aquino basically
• 1:33:56
  hijacked Satanism and protected it, and it lived on in the
• 1:34:02
  Temple of Set in an Egyptian standpoint.
• 1:34:06
  But unfortunately they were so protective of it because how it
• 1:34:11
  was abused that they made it really difficult for people to
• 1:34:18
  get in. Even to this day I think they're
• 1:34:21
  up to like 300 members and they keep it small on purpose and all
• 1:34:26
  the things that you have to do to jump levels and prove to them
• 1:34:32
  that you're worthy of learning that knowledge.
• 1:34:34
  You have a a small time period where you have to read a ton of
• 1:34:38
  books, take a ton of exams, and if you do not do it within a
• 1:34:42
  year, they throw you out and you have to reapply again and pay
• 1:34:47
  that fee again. And they they just went really,
• 1:34:50
  really extra with it. But that's basically what
• 1:34:54
  happened. It was it was taken because he
• 1:34:57
  knew that when Levay started making it more about money that
• 1:35:01
  that's what it was going to turn into and it would fall into the
• 1:35:04
  wrong hands. And I just had a situation with
• 1:35:07
  this, with an ex of mine who wanted information about
• 1:35:12
  something, and I told him that he's not ready for that
• 1:35:17
  information. You don't have the mindset for
• 1:35:20
  it. And when you play with that
• 1:35:21
  stuff and you don't understand it, it will bite back.
• 1:35:25
  And that's kind of what Aquino did is he just rescued it and
• 1:35:29
  Whisk whisked it off. I myself, I was a young adult
• 1:35:35
  when this happened. You guys probably know what I'm
• 1:35:38
  talking about, but surely you've heard of the Satanic panic.
• 1:35:42
  You heard of this, I believe. Oh yeah.
• 1:35:47
  I believe that it was started. One of its innovators for it
• 1:35:50
  happening was because of a Christian group that was running
• 1:35:54
  a daycare called the Mcmartins. You guys know what I'm talking
• 1:35:58
  about. Yeah, this was an event that
• 1:36:01
  Michael Aquino was directly involved in.
• 1:36:03
  They accused him of coming in and performing satanic rituals
• 1:36:08
  in a secret room, sexually abusing the kids and everything
• 1:36:12
  else. And it took Michael Aquino
• 1:36:16
  almost, I want to say, seven years to exonerate himself
• 1:36:19
  fully. Yeah, the the Christians as well
• 1:36:23
  as a Satanist took a beating during this time because over
• 1:36:27
  300 children came forward and said that they were made to
• 1:36:30
  dance and pentagrams drink horse blood, just the most crazy stuff
• 1:36:36
  kids are are able to come up with whenever they're in the
• 1:36:40
  courtroom. And it also changed our very
• 1:36:43
  essence of how our system works. So a lot of major dealings
• 1:36:48
  because of that. I think the Satanist as well as
• 1:36:50
  the Christians got got burned bad for that, and not for good
• 1:36:55
  reason. Yeah, it was like the feeling
• 1:36:58
  witch trials all over again. Yeah, it definitely was.
• 1:37:01
  Chris, you want her to say something?
• 1:37:05
  Oh, no. I was listening to a choking
• 1:37:07
  child in the other room. I'll show me.
• 1:37:08
  Sure they're OK. Oh damn.
• 1:37:13
  Yeah. As quite clear there, you know,
• 1:37:17
  we are parents and we're very responsible and whatnot Now.
• 1:37:19
  I can vouch for that. Chris is a very responsible
• 1:37:22
  parent and whatnot, and he has to be very responsible for more
• 1:37:27
  than just the children are the underage kids.
• 1:37:30
  He has a entire facility, adolescent adults, that he needs
• 1:37:36
  to take care of too. He's told me a few very
• 1:37:40
  interesting stories. Chris, if you want to go and
• 1:37:47
  tell people what you do for a living, go ahead.
• 1:37:50
  If not, that's fine. I'll probably be best not
• 1:37:56
  putting that out there right now.
• 1:38:00
  You know, want to go down your mind here?
• 1:38:03
  You you got somebody out here called Jason Young who says
• 1:38:07
  false accusations made against Satanist, the court should
• 1:38:10
  compensate. You know what?
• 1:38:12
  I I agree with that. I think that the Christians as
• 1:38:15
  well, Satanist, who were dragged through the mud over that when
• 1:38:18
  they had nothing to do with it and it was proven without a
• 1:38:21
  doubt, neither group did anything to those kids.
• 1:38:24
  I think they should be sued, Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  We also got someone named Charles Taylor who makes a very
• 1:38:31
  strong rock solid point. It's, he says in Genesis.
• 1:38:35
  The devil is the desire for knowledge as it comes with
• 1:38:39
  responsibility. You're very correct, Charles.
• 1:38:43
  One of our tenant tenants and laws is literally titled
• 1:38:48
  responsibility to the responsible.
• 1:38:50
  And we as Satanists are, you know, you know, commanded to
• 1:38:56
  take responsibility for ourselves, for our actions and
• 1:38:59
  our own inactions. And Satan certainly demands us,
• 1:39:03
  instead of kneeling and growling before him, to study and learn
• 1:39:09
  and, you know, to improve our knowledge.
• 1:39:12
  That is very much so. A very correct statement you've
• 1:39:16
  made. Thank you for that.
• 1:39:21
  I got something to tack on to that if I can, really quickly.
• 1:39:24
  Go ahead. So unlike in Christianity, God
• 1:39:33
  is willing to just give you whatever.
• 1:39:36
  Well, the fact of the matter is, is that's not really how it
• 1:39:39
  works. It it's it, it has to be earned.
• 1:39:43
  Either way, when Lucifer gave us the black flame, if you do not
• 1:39:47
  feed that black flame and you do not grow with it, it will go out
• 1:39:54
  and then you will lose all of what you gained through working
• 1:39:58
  with Satan. And in that current it.
• 1:40:02
  It's very important that you keep that flame lit.
• 1:40:06
  And do you mind telling me a little bit more of what you mean
• 1:40:09
  by black flame? I'm still learning and educating
• 1:40:12
  myself in the theology, so the. Black Flame is the equivalent of
• 1:40:16
  the Holy Spirit in in a way. It is that unseen force that
• 1:40:20
  lives with inside us that Lucifer granted the entire
• 1:40:24
  world. It it is literally the power of
• 1:40:29
  magic, the flame of creativity, of the desire to grow, to
• 1:40:34
  improve, to reach one's ultimate tool, and to create works of
• 1:40:39
  art, music, literature, to study.
• 1:40:42
  It is literally the black flame of life and.
• 1:40:46
  Indulge in life. Yeah, and our philosophy,
• 1:40:50
  literally the first person to get the black flame was Kane, at
• 1:40:54
  which he created the the what would the the Oasis of Enoch.
• 1:41:02
  You know, when he was venturing. I see Chris once say something.
• 1:41:08
  I was just agreeing with you all about the blank frame being that
• 1:41:12
  spark that helps us to bring out what's within.
• 1:41:20
  So right there, I mean some of these things that you guys have
• 1:41:23
  pointed out, these are clearly theistic, supernatural.
• 1:41:28
  So still I I wonder to myself how someone can play mental
• 1:41:32
  gymnastics and say it's atheistic.
• 1:41:35
  You see what I mean? I mean.
• 1:41:36
  Yeah, it's it's absolutely ludicrous.
• 1:41:39
  If we can, let's go ahead and continue with this article
• 1:41:42
  because I think it's a very important article for us to get
• 1:41:45
  through so we can see what it it says and we can talk more about
• 1:41:50
  it. But yes, you are very much so
• 1:41:53
  correct, Brett, and that it is a very theistic religion.
• 1:41:58
  It's not the evil religion that many Christians talk about and
• 1:42:05
  try to portray us as. Certainly we do enjoy playing
• 1:42:09
  the bad guy in a movie or in a story.
• 1:42:12
  The bad guys always get the best lines, but that's that's in
• 1:42:18
  fiction. In real life, you know, we're
• 1:42:20
  actually pretty decent people. So I'm going to go ahead and
• 1:42:23
  continue here unless anybody wants to add any final words
• 1:42:27
  before I go ahead. I'm all ears.
• 1:42:32
  All right, now we reach the end of the boom.
• 1:42:36
  The Exorcist was the last gasp. A few of the occult flower
• 1:42:41
  children still remain, but they have become relics, throwbacks
• 1:42:46
  within their own subculture. No one listens to them.
• 1:42:51
  They have nothing new to say. 1 by 1 rats deserting a sinking
• 1:42:56
  ship, they quietly lay aside their capes, swords and amulets.
• 1:43:01
  It's all over time to find a new toy.
• 1:43:05
  Certainly that seems to be very much so.
• 1:43:08
  Like many atheists who jump in, they tried to take up a cause,
• 1:43:12
  and then when they realize that cause no longer serves them,
• 1:43:15
  they throw it to the side like a broken toy and move on to the
• 1:43:18
  next one. And so it is that Satan awakes
• 1:43:23
  to his disciples, who after long years of frustration are minded
• 1:43:28
  to leave Rome. He appears, echoing God's
• 1:43:33
  admonishment to Saint Peter. Whither goest thou?
• 1:43:38
  Having seen so much, having partaken of my knowledge, having
• 1:43:42
  known me for what I truly am, abuse not my trust and
• 1:43:47
  confidence, return to Rome, and together we shall begin the
• 1:43:52
  building of our new empire. Indeed, Satan exists not as just
• 1:44:01
  a myth, nor as a mere psychological archetype, nor as
• 1:44:09
  only a colorful figure of speech, but as an essential,
• 1:44:14
  intelligent entity. Right here we hear Michael
• 1:44:19
  Aquino flat out stating in no uncertain terms that Satan is
• 1:44:23
  very much so real. You knew this, Winston.
• 1:44:30
  Don't deceive yourself. You did know it.
• 1:44:33
  You have always known it. The tongue in which his name is
• 1:44:38
  voiced is unimportant. But just as the shapes and
• 1:44:43
  substances of his manifestations are unimportant, this is
• 1:44:48
  actually very much so. In line with our thinking, where
• 1:44:51
  Satan wears many mantels, many disguises, he can shape, change
• 1:44:55
  and do many things. He's transmutable.
• 1:44:58
  God is an automatic, non consciousness, dispassionate
• 1:45:04
  cause cosmos in which a man yearning to be rid of the burden
• 1:45:11
  of his identity seeks to immerse himself.
• 1:45:14
  That sounds very much so like Azizoth.
• 1:45:20
  I just wanted to point that out. The very language is
• 1:45:24
  Lovecraftian right there. Zeke's Satan is that which has
• 1:45:32
  infused man with that identity, thus endowing him with the key
• 1:45:38
  to turn the inertia of the cosmos to his amusement to make
• 1:45:44
  a man a God. Would it surprise you to
• 1:45:48
  discover that the true Prince of Darkness is not the devil of the
• 1:45:53
  Judaic Christian legend? That figure is simply is a
• 1:45:58
  simple caricature. Rather, Satan is the true
• 1:46:02
  intelligence manipulating the quote UN quote God of the Bible
• 1:46:07
  and other divine personages weaning man from subservience to
• 1:46:16
  all gods by making their demands increasingly intolerable.
• 1:46:23
  This is the truth behind all religious institutions
• 1:46:27
  throughout history, gradual deification of man.
• 1:46:31
  Despite his most determined efforts to regress to the status
• 1:46:35
  of a non thinking beast while knowing while bowing before the
• 1:46:41
  cross, man has actually been succumbing to the diabolical
• 1:46:47
  double cross of such ingenuity and complexity that it staggers
• 1:46:54
  the comprehension. Call it if you like, the great
• 1:46:59
  practical joke, the greatest practical joke ever pulled.
• 1:47:03
  Or to put it in another way, humanity has been had.
• 1:47:11
  We only got a couple more paragraphs, so I'm going to go
• 1:47:13
  ahead and finish before we Actually, we only got one
• 1:47:16
  paragraph left, so I'm going to go ahead and finish it before we
• 1:47:19
  discuss what was said. Does it suddenly ring true to
• 1:47:25
  you, Satanist? Do you begin to see what it what
• 1:47:29
  it's really all about? Do the peculiarities of human
• 1:47:34
  evolution now fall into place yet If your mental block remains
• 1:47:39
  fixed, it is appropriate. The shock of awakening may
• 1:47:45
  deprive unprepared individuals, or Dr. Unprepared individuals
• 1:47:50
  Quite mad. This awakening is the actual
• 1:47:54
  abyss whose existence is dimly sensed by traditional
• 1:47:58
  occultists. Yet they have always failed to
• 1:48:02
  perceive the true function, to have failed miserably in their
• 1:48:07
  effort to challenge it. For those who who cross the
• 1:48:12
  abyss, there is no return and that is the Quobotus article.
• 1:48:19
  Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go ahead and discuss
• 1:48:27
  this article and what not. And I think, yeah, let's go
• 1:48:34
  ahead and discuss it guys. Open Mic.
• 1:48:39
  That article, to me it's always so interesting to like, reread
• 1:48:43
  and go over it because I mean just the points where you know
• 1:48:49
  Satan is real, explain that he is literal.
• 1:48:53
  Explain that you know we have this and even going further and
• 1:48:58
  explain like this, that Satan in reality is way more than just
• 1:49:03
  comprehension of like the, you know, the Hebrew conception or
• 1:49:08
  the Christian conception of what Satan is.
• 1:49:11
  It's beyond that, and I I always enjoy Queen Of's writings, but
• 1:49:15
  especially that one. Yeah, it definitely is.
• 1:49:25
  And especially when he starts talking about God being
• 1:49:29
  impersonal and whatnot. To me, that to anybody who's
• 1:49:33
  familiar with Lovecraftian Satanism, with what we call
• 1:49:37
  Cathulianism now, or as Lovecraft himself would call
• 1:49:41
  Yong Saathiri, you can definitely draw the parallel
• 1:49:46
  between Aquino's description right there to God to that of
• 1:49:50
  Azazov the Blind Idiot God. Sure, man.
• 1:49:55
  I mean that's that's, you know, a topic for a different video
• 1:49:59
  I'm sure, but kind of similar where, you know, try to take
• 1:50:04
  away this. The link between Cathulism and
• 1:50:08
  Satan is doing the same thing that you know the Church of
• 1:50:13
  Satan did with taking Satan completely out and bringing this
• 1:50:18
  ideistic perspective that they made out made-up out of nowhere.
• 1:50:25
  May I ask you something? Sure.
• 1:50:28
  Would love to hear all you guys thoughts on that if if you
• 1:50:31
  could, but you guys were mentioning the black flame and
• 1:50:35
  also figures that had actually experienced the devil in the
• 1:50:39
  Bible. Do you believe that the figures
• 1:50:42
  who actually had conversations with the devil in the Bible were
• 1:50:46
  also real? Well, that's that's a very
• 1:50:53
  interesting topic. Yes, we know that Jesus had in
• 1:50:58
  the Bible direct dealings with the devil, and we also know that
• 1:51:02
  Jesus was an actual man named Yeshua.
• 1:51:07
  And recent recent documentation from Roman sources as well as
• 1:51:15
  other sources have indicated that before he was known as a
• 1:51:20
  prophet, before he was a Rabbi. And he was certainly called a
• 1:51:25
  Rabbi in the Bible by, I believe Michael and Luke and whatnot,
• 1:51:32
  they all refer to him as Rabbi. His apostles.
• 1:51:35
  He was. We found recent documentation
• 1:51:39
  that he was a Roman slave soldier for a time, that he
• 1:51:43
  bought his freedom. He worked before it and he
• 1:51:45
  bought his freedom, and then he became a religious leader.
• 1:51:49
  We know he was a real person. We found the documentation
• 1:51:53
  validating he was a real person. We know the apostles were real
• 1:51:57
  people, but do we know that Abraham or Isaiah or Cain or any
• 1:52:04
  of these other people were real people?
• 1:52:08
  I don't know if there's any fully fledged, confirmable
• 1:52:11
  documentation that would validate them.
• 1:52:15
  Certainly we find certain stories in different cultures
• 1:52:22
  that could hint that they were real people.
• 1:52:27
  When we look at the story of Cain, we see after the murder of
• 1:52:31
  Abel he was condemned by God. He was marked by God and a lot
• 1:52:36
  of people wonder what the mark of Cain is and what that was,
• 1:52:43
  is. We see that he was given a
• 1:52:45
  likeness that would identify him from a great distance away to
• 1:52:50
  never be touched. Because when we read the the
• 1:52:54
  story of Cain we see that he was fearful and he asked God for
• 1:52:59
  protection that he was. How would people know me and
• 1:53:03
  know not to touch my flesh? They were going to beat me up.
• 1:53:05
  They're going to kill me. They're going to do all this
• 1:53:07
  other horrible stuff to me. And so God put a mark on him
• 1:53:12
  that we now call the mark of Cain that was intended to
• 1:53:15
  identify him to everybody else as being different, that he was
• 1:53:19
  not to be harmed. And this is a mark that it had
• 1:53:24
  to be able to be identified at all times.
• 1:53:27
  And it was not just some sigil or runic mark.
• 1:53:32
  It wasn't writing on his forehead or anything.
• 1:53:35
  It was a changing of his actual appearance.
• 1:53:39
  And what we see is we look at the culture that in that part of
• 1:53:45
  the world that was going on where Cain would have lived, and
• 1:53:52
  they are all very swarthy people, dark skinned people.
• 1:53:56
  And we have. We know that he has to be given
• 1:54:00
  a mark that changes his appearance.
• 1:54:03
  And so he's given the likeness of the devil.
• 1:54:07
  He's given the likeness of Satan, of Lucifer, who even in
• 1:54:11
  the earliest descriptions of him is he is described as being
• 1:54:16
  blonde, he's fair skinned, he is beautiful, and he's often
• 1:54:24
  described as having blue eyes, blonde fair skin and all this
• 1:54:28
  other stuff. And so we see that he's
• 1:54:31
  described even in the oldest of the biblical literature, as
• 1:54:36
  being very much so in the way that the Nazis would have
• 1:54:39
  described Aryans. And so this was the mark of
• 1:54:46
  Cain. It was literally to change his
• 1:54:49
  racial ethnicity, where he was identifiable from a great
• 1:54:54
  distance away as being something completely different.
• 1:54:58
  And So what we see here in the stories of Cain as he wandered
• 1:55:04
  through the deserts and whatnot, and he found the Oasis of Enoch,
• 1:55:10
  he built the city of Enoch. This was in our Satanic
• 1:55:14
  literature. This was all gifts of the black
• 1:55:16
  flame that Satan came to him and he was given these gifts, these
• 1:55:24
  powers of creativity to create wonderful things.
• 1:55:30
  And then after he created the city of Enoch, we hear, we see
• 1:55:33
  in these stories, he vanished. He left it to his son, his first
• 1:55:37
  born son who's named Enoch. He named the city after him and
• 1:55:42
  he ventured back out into the lace.
• 1:55:46
  So we don't. That's supposedly the end of his
• 1:55:50
  stories. Now we know from these stories
• 1:55:51
  that he ventured N We don't know where he went or why he ventured
• 1:55:56
  N, but we know that he ventured N at some time later we find in
• 1:56:01
  Nordic culture the story of the first man who came into the
• 1:56:06
  Viking kingdoms. And he was a man who was said to
• 1:56:10
  have come from the southern kingdoms and adventured N from a
• 1:56:14
  very great distance away. And he was the one who began
• 1:56:19
  naming the rocks, The Dells, the animals.
• 1:56:23
  He was the first Viking man, and he bedded with frost giants and
• 1:56:31
  whatnot, and he spawned the race of the Norse people.
• 1:56:37
  This story lines up in the timing of its initial tellings
• 1:56:43
  right around the time when Cain would have been leaving the city
• 1:56:49
  of Enoch, would have been leaving the southern kingdoms
• 1:56:53
  and venturing N so is was this man Cain?
• 1:56:57
  We believe it was, but there is no rock solid proof that it was
• 1:57:03
  Cain. It is only a supposition from 2
• 1:57:06
  unique stories that seem to have originate, seem to have
• 1:57:10
  originated in some way, shape or form around the same time frame
• 1:57:15
  and would have lined up with each other.
• 1:57:18
  My goodness, that was an intellectually in depth point
• 1:57:22
  you put forth. I appreciate it.
• 1:57:24
  I have a an unusual question for you.
• 1:57:27
  It's obviously you guys know the Bible very well and I'd like to
• 1:57:31
  ask do you believe? You don't know.
• 1:57:34
  We're happy to look up. Do you believe that there was
• 1:57:37
  ever a time in the Bible? And I'm not talking about the
• 1:57:40
  perception of men who were against the devil or spoke out
• 1:57:43
  against the devil. But do you believe that there
• 1:57:46
  was any scene in the Bible where the devil was talking, where
• 1:57:50
  he's misrepresenting himself? No, no.
• 1:57:56
  And if you actually look in the Bible, Satan never presents
• 1:57:59
  himself in a malicious manner. I see everybody else is like
• 1:58:07
  thinking they're trying to rack their brains, if there was
• 1:58:10
  anything along that. Yeah, I'm being just, yeah,
• 1:58:12
  trying to run all those books through your head at once.
• 1:58:16
  But I I'm thinking even in in the book of Job.
• 1:58:19
  I mean he he went and talked to God before he started doing all
• 1:58:23
  this. Stuff.
• 1:58:24
  So he got permission to do it. He and he wasn't being malicious
• 1:58:29
  towards Job at all. He he was indifferent towards
• 1:58:31
  Job and whatnot. He literally, you know, he he
• 1:58:36
  wasn't doing all that stuff to Job to punish Job for anything.
• 1:58:40
  He was challenging God and he won.
• 1:58:43
  He actually beat God the second time around and that's what a
• 1:58:47
  lot of people miss is in the story of Job is the statement.
• 1:58:53
  And I and I tell people, you know, Christians, everybody go
• 1:58:56
  pull out your Bible. You can look it up online and
• 1:59:00
  look at the 2nd encounter between Satan and God, where the
• 1:59:04
  only thing Satan challenge has gone on is that Job will curse
• 1:59:11
  his name even for but a moment. He doesn't say that Job can't
• 1:59:15
  repent. He doesn't say that Job can't go
• 1:59:18
  back to God. It's just that if God takes away
• 1:59:23
  all the blessings that he gave Job, and if Job gets hurt
• 1:59:29
  enough, that Job will turn on God for a single instance and
• 1:59:33
  curse his name. And in the story, Job does
• 1:59:37
  exactly that. Satan proves his point.
• 1:59:40
  Job is just a man. And that if pushed far enough,
• 1:59:45
  any person, even the most devout person of that faith, could for
• 1:59:50
  a moment question their faith and curse God or curse their
• 1:59:56
  chosen deity. And that was the entire point of
• 1:59:59
  the story. That was the entire point of the
• 2:00:02
  bet. In that story, you know people
• 2:00:05
  like to point to the story of Job and.
• 2:00:10
  I'm thinking of Batman here. I'm looking at Bubble Gum Gun.
• 2:00:14
  I'm just thinking of the Killing Joke.
• 2:00:17
  From Batman, Joker's point of view.
• 2:00:20
  All it takes is 1 bad day to turn a man insane and he does
• 2:00:25
  all that crap to Jim Gordon and Barbara.
• 2:00:28
  But no, this is exactly the same instance.
• 2:00:32
  All it takes is enough pressure on a person to force them to
• 2:00:37
  change your views from a certain perspective.
• 2:00:40
  And Joe, he's laying on the ground.
• 2:00:43
  He's stricken with boils. He's I'll his entire family even
• 2:00:48
  except his wife it all of his kids are destroyed.
• 2:00:50
  His house has destroyed his crops, his farm.
• 2:00:53
  All of his success is gone and he curses God and it takes his
• 2:01:00
  wife and his two friends in the story to convince him to turn
• 2:01:05
  back to God. Satan didn't say that he
• 2:01:08
  couldn't go back to God. He didn't say he couldn't refer,
• 2:01:14
  repent or anything. He never said that he couldn't
• 2:01:20
  do any of that. All he said is that if he's
• 2:01:22
  pushed far enough, he's going to curse your name, God, and God's
• 2:01:27
  like, all right, go, go push him.
• 2:01:29
  Go push him. And the first time around, he
• 2:01:31
  just He's under orders not to hurt Job, not to directly wound
• 2:01:37
  Job at all, and Job stays faithful.
• 2:01:41
  In that first instance, God wins.
• 2:01:45
  The second time around, though, he's given permission to hurt
• 2:01:49
  the flesh of Job directly. And he does so, and Job does
• 2:01:55
  indeed curse God's name. And that was the whole bet
• 2:02:00
  between God and Satan. And a lot of Christians tend to
• 2:02:04
  miss that. They can't.
• 2:02:05
  They tend to glaze over that and they're like, no, they focus on
• 2:02:10
  the fact that Job repented afterwards.
• 2:02:15
  Right. Yeah, go ahead.
• 2:02:18
  No, I was just going to like just finish with that.
• 2:02:21
  It was just more of like even within that story of Job, when
• 2:02:27
  we look at saying in God, it's like, you know, why did God
• 2:02:31
  allow that? Like you know it.
• 2:02:33
  It's always this idea of like masochist being, like these
• 2:02:38
  examples of how to be, you know, God fearing.
• 2:02:42
  But I then I question like if God is so great, why would he
• 2:02:48
  use me as an example for that? Why would he use Job as an
• 2:02:51
  example for that? Sorry for interrupting you Zagan
• 2:02:54
  Guys, I got to use the bathroom really quickly.
• 2:02:56
  I am. I will be right back.
• 2:02:57
  Go ahead and continue without me.
• 2:03:00
  OK, that's, you know, that's the problem that I have with that
• 2:03:04
  story and you know, Villainize stapling that story and and I
• 2:03:10
  think it's misplaced. I think it should really.
• 2:03:12
  The blame should be really playing oh God, for his mishaps
• 2:03:18
  and everything that he went. That's my.
• 2:03:26
  Might I suggest if you go into your settings, you can click a
• 2:03:30
  button that's called echo cancellation.
• 2:03:33
  That way you won't hear the sound go loud.
• 2:03:36
  Darn you like that. You're having what is called
• 2:03:41
  feedback. Yeah, we get a lot of that
• 2:03:44
  whenever. My brother's rocking out with
• 2:03:45
  his band. Said that was on mine.
• 2:03:53
  Yeah, if you go into your setting, you can turn off echo
• 2:03:57
  cancellation and then it'll stop doing that.
• 2:04:00
  Then you won't have as many problems.
• 2:04:02
  When your mic is open, yeah, you're getting feedback, Your
• 2:04:06
  sound is coming back at you and going.
• 2:04:10
  It's rough, Yeah. That's what you guys were
• 2:04:19
  talking about earlier. It's one of the reasons for, I
• 2:04:22
  would say, quite a few years. When I finally went from atheist
• 2:04:26
  to a theist type of Christian, I was looking into a lot of stuff
• 2:04:31
  like Malthias and Have you ever heard of that before, Zagan?
• 2:04:35
  Yeah, I have. I've heard of it before.
• 2:04:39
  I was talking to it looks like our friend is back.
• 2:04:42
  I was talking to him a little bit about that.
• 2:04:44
  For the longest time I held on to this idea of maltheism as a
• 2:04:49
  Christian. And boy, oh boy, a lot of
• 2:04:51
  religious folks did not like that.
• 2:04:53
  But I believe that God was capable of doing terrible things
• 2:04:57
  as well as good things. I believe that God was capable
• 2:05:00
  of absolute love, but absolute hate as well.
• 2:05:04
  I believe that there was a dual, kind of a dual personality or
• 2:05:09
  mind going on there. But if you talk to other
• 2:05:12
  Christians about that, they'll, well, they'll treat you kind of
• 2:05:16
  like the Church of Satan treats you guys.
• 2:05:19
  Yeah, no, I mean it's like there's these like get out of
• 2:05:23
  jail cards kind of thing. So it's like you will like take
• 2:05:28
  a mouthy or something for example, and say, well, he can
• 2:05:31
  be good and also not so good. Oh, no.
• 2:05:34
  Well, his, it's his whole will is a mystery.
• 2:05:38
  You know, it's God's plan, so we can't comprehend it.
• 2:05:42
  But it's like if I if we all look at patterns, we see like,
• 2:05:46
  OK, that's kind of wrong. Like, why did so many people
• 2:05:50
  have to die in a tsunami? Why did Job have to go through
• 2:05:53
  that? Why didn't we have to have a
• 2:05:54
  flood, you know, in such a violent way?
• 2:05:56
  Why did why did violence have to take place in order for change
• 2:06:00
  to happen from this benevolent God?
• 2:06:05
  And so you know the concept that he can understand good and bad,
• 2:06:11
  it's very, I guess, you know, leaving the delusion of like,
• 2:06:17
  well, it's a mystery and it all makes sense and it's all good at
• 2:06:21
  the end of the day. Like, sometimes the day sucks
• 2:06:24
  and sometimes things happen and we to this day don't understand
• 2:06:27
  what happened. And that doesn't excuse the idea
• 2:06:32
  that, well, everything's great because it we're in God's hands.
• 2:06:36
  Well, like, sometimes being in God's hands really sucks because
• 2:06:40
  it's like, why did these horrible things have to happen
• 2:06:44
  When I'm trying to live my best life, when I'm trying to be good
• 2:06:48
  to my neighbor and love my neighbor, when I'm trying to,
• 2:06:51
  you know, pay my taxes on time? I mean, all this kind of stuff,
• 2:06:54
  it's just unfair and doesn't seem like no matter what I do
• 2:07:01
  with the good sense is going to be paid off within that
• 2:07:04
  paradigm. It's just suffering.
• 2:07:09
  That's what it seems like. I agree, and I do believe the
• 2:07:13
  philosophy. Whenever talking to some
• 2:07:16
  religious folks, they say, well, God, he's not capable of doing
• 2:07:20
  evil or bad things. But that's not biblical.
• 2:07:24
  Isaiah 45 seven says I form the light and the darkness.
• 2:07:27
  I create peace and evil. I, the Lord, do all these
• 2:07:31
  things, and it's surprising and sad how many folks I've talked
• 2:07:37
  to and they did not read their Bible or they would not been
• 2:07:40
  shocked or stunned whenever I read it off to them.
• 2:07:43
  I find it very surprising on how many Satanists are actually well
• 2:07:47
  versed in the Bible, far more far better than most Christians.
• 2:07:54
  I also find it similarly very funny on how many real Satanists
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  are well versed in Anton Lavey versus Church Satan members who
• 2:08:05
  don't even know their own Church Satan history.
• 2:08:08
  It's very funny. You know, we're sitting here, we
• 2:08:12
  only have one Christian on this talk show, and the rest of us
• 2:08:16
  are all Satanists and everything.
• 2:08:19
  And yet we're able to speak more cohesively about the Bible and
• 2:08:26
  Christianity than most Christian talk shows that I've seen.
• 2:08:31
  Like this, where you get a group of Christians together, they
• 2:08:35
  they just start quoting things and they have literal, no
• 2:08:39
  understanding of what they're talking about.
• 2:08:41
  I find that very funny. I agree.
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  I've seen things just kind of fall apart real quickly for some
• 2:08:50
  people out there and you know, it says my people are destroyed
• 2:08:54
  for lack of knowledge. It's definitely very
• 2:09:00
  interesting, and we see that in so many different things.
• 2:09:04
  We saw that in the Jansing file, quote Baddis.
• 2:09:08
  We saw that in the Barton Jansing letter.
• 2:09:12
  We see that in almost everything that we're talking about here in
• 2:09:15
  modern Satanism currently. We see TST members running
• 2:09:20
  around on the streets literally violating the very tenant, the
• 2:09:24
  founding tenants of Satanism. They're making up their own
• 2:09:29
  stuff that has nothing to do with Satanism, and they're they
• 2:09:34
  have no concept. I I can't tell you how many TST
• 2:09:37
  members I've met that didn't even know Anton Lavey existed.
• 2:09:41
  They didn't even have any concept of the Church.
• 2:09:43
  Satan. They they'd heard of it
• 2:09:46
  peripherally, but they had no understanding of it or of the
• 2:09:49
  philosophy, which was like 90% of the TST members that I've met
• 2:09:56
  out there, a lot of them I would say about 70% under.
• 2:10:01
  Yeah, I'd heard of him, but there is a large percentage who
• 2:10:05
  surprisingly had never heard of him.
• 2:10:11
  We got a rebuke and reprove. He's a Christian who absolutely
• 2:10:15
  thinks I'm a disgusting, gross religious person, he says.
• 2:10:19
  No one on the panel has learned how to read the Bible.
• 2:10:21
  The word is calamity, not moral evil.
• 2:10:25
  Unfortunately for you, the Bible claims that God created all
• 2:10:29
  things it doesn't say. But he didn't do that.
• 2:10:32
  You know, there's he doesn't pull a meatloaf.
• 2:10:34
  I'll do anything for love, but I won't do that.
• 2:10:37
  So I. Don't.
• 2:10:37
  Yeah. I'm also going to say,
• 2:10:39
  unfortunately for you, you're also dealing with people on this
• 2:10:43
  panel that has gone to seminary school.
• 2:10:46
  You've dealing with at least one person on this panel who is a
• 2:10:50
  former Catholic Bishop. We certainly do know how to read
• 2:10:54
  the Bible far better than you, obviously, because if you hadn't
• 2:10:58
  learned how to read the Bible, and if you had studied it
• 2:11:01
  properly, you wouldn't be mouthing off.
• 2:11:03
  Now you can get out of my panel right now because you're gone.
• 2:11:09
  For your national pastor right here.
• 2:11:13
  I am curious to understand what they're trying to put out there.
• 2:11:17
  Oh, he's he's blocking me from doing it.
• 2:11:22
  Can one of our security personnel please go in and
• 2:11:25
  double check on YouTube to make sure this individual is not
• 2:11:30
  commenting on YouTube? We'll seal seal in our back end,
• 2:11:34
  but you know, at least other people won't have to see it and
• 2:11:37
  we can just tell them to go piss off the rope.
• 2:11:42
  Yeah. So you probably heard the
• 2:11:44
  discussions. I still don't understand where a
• 2:11:47
  lot of these folks are coming from, because if God created
• 2:11:50
  objective morality, then he would have had to create the
• 2:11:53
  negative as well as the positive.
• 2:11:55
  There's no way around it. You can't have free will without
• 2:11:59
  the potential to do evil or good or make the right choices.
• 2:12:03
  So I I don't know what they're getting at.
• 2:12:08
  Yeah. So yeah, you're you're exactly
• 2:12:14
  right. If you Remember Me mentioning
• 2:12:17
  about my near death experience, I can't really say near death.
• 2:12:24
  I was actually dead. I said that my experience, my
• 2:12:28
  perception of God was that I got a sense of complete malevolence
• 2:12:32
  from my hatred and whatnot. One thing that most people need
• 2:12:36
  to understand is in order to have a sense of hatred of
• 2:12:44
  something, you have to have also a sense of love.
• 2:12:47
  You have to know and understand what love is in order to hate.
• 2:12:53
  So you know that's something that a lot of people don't get.
• 2:12:57
  You've been mentioning the about the dichotomy between God and
• 2:13:00
  Satan, that God in the Bible says that he created both good
• 2:13:04
  and evil. And, you know, Satan
• 2:13:06
  acknowledges that both good and evil must also exist at the same
• 2:13:10
  time. He doesn't say that he created
• 2:13:12
  it. He just says, you know, it
• 2:13:13
  exists. I'm just going to let somebody
• 2:13:25
  take up if they have any compliments.
• 2:13:27
  Well, I've been I've been waiting for somebody out there
• 2:13:30
  in the comments to actually explain how they think objective
• 2:13:34
  morality works. I hear these debates all the
• 2:13:36
  time that God gives us morality, He's wired it into us.
• 2:13:41
  So if that's true, then we have the potential to do bad or good.
• 2:13:45
  That's the type of nature we have.
• 2:13:47
  What's the issue? Exactly.
• 2:13:51
  Yeah, I just, you know, when it comes to morality and if it's
• 2:13:55
  inherent or not. I mean, I've read, I've heard
• 2:14:00
  plenty of atheist writers discuss the whole concept of
• 2:14:06
  have morality outside the confines of a religion.
• 2:14:10
  And like I said, there are some universal things that we can all
• 2:14:14
  say that are moral and not so moral.
• 2:14:17
  Yeah, there's some very specific things in different cultures,
• 2:14:20
  like some cultures value the the ability to steal, see that as
• 2:14:26
  something to glorify, to strive for.
• 2:14:30
  In the West, not so much, you know, Middle East, not so much
• 2:14:34
  either. So I mean like that the whole
• 2:14:38
  idea of morality coming straight from God or being in our genetic
• 2:14:46
  code, you know, those sort of dualities.
• 2:14:50
  I I just, that's where I I come to Satanism.
• 2:14:54
  Because it it brings me to the point where it there's more to
• 2:14:59
  just that, where it's like good and bad, where it's just the
• 2:15:03
  things that God says are good. And I'm just going to do the
• 2:15:07
  opposite of that because I'm Satanist.
• 2:15:09
  No, it's I don't do what's sensible, what makes sense to my
• 2:15:14
  human, to my humanity. And if I really look at the
• 2:15:19
  behavior of God throughout the Bible, it's a very human
• 2:15:24
  selfish. It's a human that feels a lot.
• 2:15:28
  And it kind of, you know, makes me feel like, OK, these prophets
• 2:15:33
  and all these people that wrote it, they were human and how they
• 2:15:36
  experienced God was in a very human way.
• 2:15:40
  So for them to, you know, for people to think that God is just
• 2:15:44
  this out there thing that we can't understand, I think it's
• 2:15:48
  really irrelevant. And I think it's wrong way off.
• 2:15:53
  And he's very human, very, you know, selfish or very jealous.
• 2:16:01
  But, you know, I'm the type of person to think that there's
• 2:16:05
  more sensibility to the humanity that we can accomplish than just
• 2:16:10
  living off of whims. And it's a power dichotomy.
• 2:16:14
  It's if I have enough power that I can exert more power
• 2:16:17
  dominance. That's not the kind of life I
• 2:16:21
  want to live. I'm going to say go ahead, Kane,
• 2:16:26
  Chris, give share your viewpoints on it.
• 2:16:29
  But before you do, I'm going to remind everybody that in the
• 2:16:34
  Satanic Phillian society, we follow what is called the Lex
• 2:16:36
  Satanicus, or the Law of the Satanist.
• 2:16:39
  And the very first law of the Satanist consider concerns
• 2:16:43
  morality directly. And this law says morality is a
• 2:16:49
  lie. Morality is a pretty lie told by
• 2:16:53
  the society in order to hide behind the facade of social
• 2:16:57
  acceptability and at times to escape one's own
• 2:17:01
  responsibilities. Interchangeable.
• 2:17:04
  It is at any moment and in any culture to escape the
• 2:17:09
  wrongdoing, escape wrongdoings by making them the moral and
• 2:17:13
  social rights. So that's what it says in
• 2:17:18
  Lexatanicus about morality. I'm going to turn Mike back over
• 2:17:23
  to Kane and Chris, and I'd like to hear their views, opinions on
• 2:17:27
  morality. Is my?
• 2:17:30
  Am I still echoing? Am I good?
• 2:17:33
  You're good. When you talk, it's sometimes
• 2:17:35
  you get a little bit of the echo.
• 2:17:37
  All you got to do is turn off echo and you're good.
• 2:17:41
  I did that, turn off the fan just to make sure.
• 2:17:43
  Maybe that was what y'all are hearing.
• 2:17:45
  You're good. Now you're coming through nice
• 2:17:47
  and clear. So I believe that overall, the
• 2:17:50
  objective morality the natural. Backwash from your mind.
• 2:17:56
  Do what? There's no like rumbling coming
• 2:18:02
  from your mic right now, so you're good you you figure out
• 2:18:05
  the problem. OK, but I believe that true
• 2:18:10
  morality or objective morality is, you know, natural law put
• 2:18:13
  into action. You know, we sit there and you
• 2:18:17
  know, we say where is God? And you have the pictures of the
• 2:18:19
  little kid starving to death and that is the morality of the
• 2:18:22
  universe. The kid starves to death and
• 2:18:24
  then you got that vulture that's eating, that is the morality of
• 2:18:26
  the universe. And the objective morality is
• 2:18:29
  just rough and harsh. I think the morality that we
• 2:18:32
  think of is often subjective morality.
• 2:18:35
  And then the more people that agree on that subjective
• 2:18:37
  morality make you crowd morality.
• 2:18:39
  And that's the agreed upon morality that we, like you were
• 2:18:41
  saying agree on as a whole, which is why things change.
• 2:18:46
  Morale reason, morale areas change.
• 2:18:51
  Like the topic of abortion is because how many people are
• 2:18:54
  voting for That particular way of thinking is what defines the
• 2:18:59
  morality for the subjective or the group mentality, in my
• 2:19:03
  opinion. I I agree with your view and
• 2:19:10
  your perception on quite a bit of what you said.
• 2:19:13
  But usually when religious people and non believers are
• 2:19:16
  arguing about the concept they're basically stating that
• 2:19:19
  there is a morality outside of what humans think is right and
• 2:19:23
  wrong. I gave an example, if we were
• 2:19:26
  talking to like a Church of Satan member right now and we
• 2:19:29
  would ask them is murdering a child after raping them
• 2:19:34
  absolutely good? They're going to say absolutely
• 2:19:37
  no, they're going to be against that.
• 2:19:39
  Even one of their tenants is Don't Harm Children, right?
• 2:19:42
  Where do they get that view and can they take it beyond their
• 2:19:45
  subjective opinion? And that's where you start
• 2:19:48
  bringing on the philosophy of spirituality.
• 2:19:51
  You see what I mean? You're absolutely right there.
• 2:19:55
  Church state members, at least during Anton Lavey's time,
• 2:20:00
  certainly would never have done that.
• 2:20:02
  But when you get to Satanic Temple members, and I, I have
• 2:20:05
  this directly from a former Satanic Temple member out in
• 2:20:09
  Washington state. The guy calls himself Mega
• 2:20:13
  Sterling. He now runs Defenders of Satan.
• 2:20:16
  He was telling us about how he and his wife had been former
• 2:20:22
  members of the Satanic Temple and they were.
• 2:20:25
  The final straw for them is that they had been invited to a party
• 2:20:30
  at one of the other members houses and they were already
• 2:20:34
  getting pretty fed up with a lot of things that were going on in
• 2:20:37
  general. But this party turned out to be
• 2:20:41
  nothing more than a drinking orgy, a homosexual orgy.
• 2:20:48
  And I say that out of respect, because came Blackfyre, his
• 2:20:53
  sexuality and so nobody gets mistakes.
• 2:20:55
  My use of the term homosexual, it was a homosexual orgy that
• 2:21:02
  was involving children that were there.
• 2:21:05
  There was drugs going on there. There was cocaine open, there
• 2:21:09
  was drugs and alcohol literally out and about.
• 2:21:11
  And there was these two children who lived in the house that was
• 2:21:17
  in the middle of all this. And certainly there was adult
• 2:21:19
  men who I will not go into describing what they were
• 2:21:24
  supposedly wearing or doing. They were.
• 2:21:27
  They were performing sexual acts around these children.
• 2:21:30
  And then at least one or two instances.
• 2:21:33
  I believe he mentioned to me that some sexual acts or
• 2:21:38
  advances had been made towards these children.
• 2:21:44
  I don't know if anything in that moment happened, but I do know
• 2:21:48
  that there was another individual who this one I will
• 2:21:51
  not directly name, but she lives in Atlanta.
• 2:21:58
  She is a former Satanic Temple member and she flat out
• 2:22:03
  described how certain Satanic Temple groups were definitely
• 2:22:10
  using other children, as you know, poor sexual purposes.
• 2:22:16
  And I don't know whatever happened with it.
• 2:22:18
  I don't know if law enforcement got involved with it.
• 2:22:21
  Certainly law enforcement was notified of it, but nothing was
• 2:22:26
  ever mentioned in the newspapers.
• 2:22:27
  Nothing was ever mentioned anywhere else.
• 2:22:30
  And there's children who these individuals who are definitely
• 2:22:35
  trying to normalize. I'm I noticed bubble gum.
• 2:22:38
  Gum had mentioned normalizing the wrong they were trying to
• 2:22:43
  normalize pedophilia. They were part of that movement
• 2:22:46
  to normalize pedophilia. I'm sorry, but that's just not
• 2:22:49
  cool with me personally. But it does go towards the whole
• 2:22:53
  morality is a lie concept. You know the letter that we read
• 2:22:58
  earlier about Anton's views on abortion and all this?
• 2:23:03
  If he didn't appeal to some kind of spirituality or philosophy to
• 2:23:08
  this, then someone could have just argued and whittled him
• 2:23:11
  down with nihilism and stated we're nothing but chemicals.
• 2:23:15
  We're nothing but pond scum that evolved.
• 2:23:18
  So why does it matter Jeffrey Dahmer made that case or and why
• 2:23:21
  he killed a bunch of people and cannibalized.
• 2:23:24
  He said if there is no God, then why should I go along with what
• 2:23:29
  man thinks is wrong or right. You see, that's why I I believe
• 2:23:34
  that Anton, as well as many philosophers, have appealed to a
• 2:23:38
  spiritual essence or a supernatural being that creates
• 2:23:42
  our morality. So we didn't get stuck in those
• 2:23:45
  ruts, if that makes sense. Absolutely.
• 2:23:50
  And morality certainly does make sense.
• 2:23:53
  We have our Grotto master, our Tennessee Grotto master, making
• 2:23:55
  some very good points on morality in the comments, and
• 2:23:59
  I'm going to go ahead and bring that up.
• 2:24:04
  And he's very much so correct. Look at the morality of the
• 2:24:08
  Spartan society. When a baby was born with a
• 2:24:11
  disability or deformity, it was taken out and bashed with a rock
• 2:24:15
  in the same. When a baby was born and it was
• 2:24:18
  set outside overnight, this was actually a custom in many
• 2:24:23
  cultures to set your child out overnight, even if it's
• 2:24:26
  freezing, to see if it survives. They wanted the strongest to
• 2:24:31
  survive. In our modern society, this is
• 2:24:34
  considered completely horrendous.
• 2:24:37
  I mean, certainly we were. We've been talking about how
• 2:24:39
  abortion is horrendous and whatnot, but it goes towards
• 2:24:44
  pointing out the fact that morality is not genetically
• 2:24:49
  instilled in US. It's not divinely instilled in
• 2:24:54
  us. It is a social societal
• 2:24:57
  construct and therefore morality technically is a lie.
• 2:25:01
  It is dependent on the society and the social economics that
• 2:25:05
  you live in, on what is morally just and right.
• 2:25:09
  I mean, certainly, like we would consider it morally a warrant to
• 2:25:13
  leave a baby out, a freshly born baby, leave it out overnight to
• 2:25:17
  see if it survives, and then come collect it in the morning,
• 2:25:21
  you know, and expect not to find it being devoured by wolves.
• 2:25:25
  Yet that's what's happened in the past.
• 2:25:29
  Thank you, John. OK, what's your perspective on
• 2:25:35
  this? Why is that morality?
• 2:25:40
  When there are certain things inside us that we know that are
• 2:25:42
  right and wrong and it's just programmed already into us, and
• 2:25:47
  those things should never be changed.
• 2:25:50
  But moralities, it seems ever since, at least in my opinion,
• 2:25:53
  the 60s, it's always changing. Something's OK one day and it's
• 2:25:58
  not the next day. Most of it's bullshit from it's
• 2:26:02
  subjective person to person, but there are those underlying
• 2:26:05
  things that we just know are right and wrong.
• 2:26:10
  That's plain and simple. If you don't mind me asking, use
• 2:26:15
  an interesting word as you describe that, which I agree
• 2:26:18
  with you by the way, but you say it's programmed into you.
• 2:26:22
  You just know down in your in your depth and your substance
• 2:26:26
  that something is wrong and we don't want to go that route.
• 2:26:30
  Anton himself said you're going to see society fall if you allow
• 2:26:35
  this type of path to go. Is that?
• 2:26:38
  Did I did I interpret that correctly?
• 2:26:45
  Yeah, I mean, I that's how I would have taken it in the same
• 2:26:48
  way. I mean, the society is always
• 2:26:51
  changing it. It it's forever changing.
• 2:26:54
  It's alive and you do not have to go along with what comes into
• 2:27:00
  being. I mean, in my opinion, that's
• 2:27:03
  you just giving in and rolling over.
• 2:27:08
  Instead of. Standing by what you know was
• 2:27:11
  right and you know what is wrong.
• 2:27:15
  We've seen a lot of the arguments, haven't we, from the
• 2:27:18
  people who do want abortion, who feel it's their what is it
• 2:27:22
  called? Health affirmation is what they
• 2:27:25
  call it. The bodily autonomy and whatnot
• 2:27:31
  was certainly another rule in the Lex Satanicus says Bodily
• 2:27:35
  autonomy is a privilege, not a not a human right.
• 2:27:39
  And personally, I have to agree with that.
• 2:27:42
  They they tried to say it's it's our human, it's a it's a what is
• 2:27:48
  it a human right to be able to kill an unborn child and
• 2:27:53
  whatnot. And going back to the whole
• 2:27:56
  morality concept again, talking about the Spartans, I'm going to
• 2:28:05
  bring this back up. What Johnny has said earlier,
• 2:28:07
  talking about Spartans doing this, we would have found this
• 2:28:10
  morally reprehensible, but in their society, they wanted only
• 2:28:13
  the strongest children to survive because they were a
• 2:28:18
  warrior society. And you know, that's certainly,
• 2:28:28
  that's certainly, he's right. Our society would go crazy at
• 2:28:33
  risk. But moral morals are not
• 2:28:36
  genetically instilled in us. They are what's instilled in us
• 2:28:42
  with our parents. We learn our morality at our
• 2:28:44
  parents needs and our society's teachings.
• 2:28:48
  So if our society is morally just what we would consider
• 2:28:55
  morally just in that it forbids abortion, it forbids harming
• 2:28:59
  innocent children for no good reason, if it forbids doing any
• 2:29:05
  of this stuff, then we would consider as adults that be
• 2:29:09
  morally justifiable. But bubble gum Gun also made the
• 2:29:14
  very strong point that they, the the political left, are trying
• 2:29:20
  to normalize something that we would consider morally
• 2:29:25
  reprehensible. They're trying to normalize
• 2:29:28
  killing unborn babies, and in some instances, killing babies
• 2:29:33
  after they're born for no good reason.
• 2:29:36
  The child is perfectly healthy, the mother is fine, the child is
• 2:29:39
  fine. There's no medical necessity,
• 2:29:41
  there's no medical deformities, there's no maladies or whatnot
• 2:29:45
  that would reduce the child or mother's quality of life.
• 2:29:49
  And, you know, like in New York State, they, they're passing
• 2:29:53
  laws where up to six days after the child is born, you can walk
• 2:29:57
  up to it and stick a spike in its head and suck out its brains
• 2:30:01
  and it's considered perfectly fine.
• 2:30:03
  They're trying to normalize that.
• 2:30:06
  You know, for most of us, you know, especially at the
• 2:30:09
  political right, we find this absolutely a boring.
• 2:30:13
  But, you know, like Bubblegum said, they're trying to
• 2:30:17
  normalize it. They're also trying to normalize
• 2:30:19
  having sex with children. They're trying to say
• 2:30:22
  paedophilia isn't a crime, it's it's a sexual preference and
• 2:30:28
  should be allowed. And I I don't know about you
• 2:30:31
  guys, but on a personal level I find that absolutely repulsive.
• 2:30:36
  But then again, I'm also raised in the 1980s, not in the 1880s,
• 2:30:41
  where in the 1880s a 4050 year old man could marry a 12 year
• 2:30:46
  old girl and have her various children and wasn't considered
• 2:30:51
  pedophilia. I when I'm listening to you, I I
• 2:30:57
  love the language you use you you use the language that is
• 2:31:00
  right in this. You're saying this is a child
• 2:31:03
  that's being killed. It's a child that's being
• 2:31:05
  murdered. In order for them to be able to
• 2:31:07
  justify it in their own hearts and heads to do this, they have
• 2:31:11
  to devalue the life form. They have to say that's not even
• 2:31:14
  a lie. It's just a collection of cells.
• 2:31:16
  It's nothing more than. They dehumanize it.
• 2:31:20
  They they absolutely dehumanize it.
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  You see criminals doing this to like a a person who intends on
• 2:31:29
  raping and murdering a woman in order to facilitate the most
• 2:31:34
  gruesome of acts towards them. They'll mask the victim and hide
• 2:31:41
  their face. They'll dehumanize them.
• 2:31:42
  They'll make them look like an animal or whatever so that they
• 2:31:46
  can justify in their head that what they're doing is not to a
• 2:31:54
  human being. Recently I've been playing
• 2:31:56
  Resident Evil 2, the remake and one of the characters in it.
• 2:32:03
  His name is Chief Irons for the Our Raccoon City Police
• 2:32:08
  Department. He's police chief of Police, and
• 2:32:11
  he's into all sorts of taxidermy.
• 2:32:13
  Well, you get into an orphanage area if you're playing as Claire
• 2:32:16
  Redfield, and you come to realize that Chief Irons is so
• 2:32:21
  bored with taxidermying animals that he's found a pig that he's
• 2:32:27
  going to kill and taxidermy. And you get into this orphanage
• 2:32:34
  area where he has his hidden taxidermy shop and you realize
• 2:32:40
  it's the daughter of the mayor. And she's a beautiful young
• 2:32:43
  woman and she's laying on the table and she's blue skinned.
• 2:32:48
  It looks like she's dead and everything, but she's not turned
• 2:32:51
  into a zombie. And, you know, you realize that
• 2:32:56
  all the hints used to you feared from if you read into the files
• 2:33:01
  and you understood the narrative of the games.
• 2:33:04
  You realize that this, this man who's the chief of police is a
• 2:33:09
  very repugnant, repulsive individual who is in his mind,
• 2:33:15
  he's killing an animal. He's he's not hurting a human
• 2:33:18
  being. He's not hurting the daughter of
• 2:33:20
  another individual. He's hurting an animal.
• 2:33:24
  He's calling it a pig. He's dehumanizing her and all
• 2:33:30
  just so he can taxidermy her. And that's what we see these
• 2:33:36
  political leftists trying to do all the time.
• 2:33:39
  They dehumanize the infant. They dehumanize the child
• 2:33:42
  because even they, in their own minds, cannot bear the brunt of
• 2:33:51
  the magnitude of what inhuman practices that they're doing.
• 2:33:55
  They know that it's morally wrong by our society, and yet
• 2:34:01
  they still want to go out and do it.
• 2:34:04
  And so they dehumanize them. That's what that's exactly what
• 2:34:08
  they're doing. They're just dehumanizing the
• 2:34:10
  person so they can justify doing absolutely horrible things to
• 2:34:15
  it. Your friend Blackfyre says in
• 2:34:18
  comments, and his phone died. That's why he's not in the room.
• 2:34:22
  I suppose you would, just to remind you Earlier you said
• 2:34:26
  something about wanting to ask me questions about a PPOR and
• 2:34:30
  his video. I didn't fully watch it.
• 2:34:33
  I, as I said, I've been sick and everything.
• 2:34:35
  I watched a little bit of it and obviously he appeared to try to
• 2:34:40
  give his interpretation of what your experience was.
• 2:34:43
  I myself, I would have never, never made a video like that
• 2:34:47
  myself. But he comes from a different
• 2:34:49
  background of Christianity than I do.
• 2:34:52
  For one, I was a former atheist, and I know that that's not the
• 2:34:56
  way to go At somebody is where he decided to go for an Internet
• 2:35:00
  psychologist, darn you. He's a good guy, though.
• 2:35:10
  I think that you guys would probably enjoy each other's
• 2:35:13
  company after a while, but he does like to do that.
• 2:35:17
  I have no problem with that. And you know, he's perfectly
• 2:35:21
  fine and what not as long as we get along and as long as he's
• 2:35:26
  respect. That actually brings up another
• 2:35:29
  topic I wanted to touch base on. I watched TTO Rs after Action
• 2:35:36
  Report or whatever you want to call it on his interview with me
• 2:35:39
  when it was the first time that I came on and you know you guys
• 2:35:43
  were great when you're on the air together with me.
• 2:35:47
  But then in his in his personal video, you kind of made some
• 2:35:51
  several mistakes that I wanted to touch base on it.
• 2:35:56
  A lot of Christians don't seem to understand why Satanists
• 2:35:59
  become so hostile when we're talking to Christians, And it's
• 2:36:06
  because of things that TTOR said in this personal video talking
• 2:36:13
  about our conversation and whatnot.
• 2:36:17
  And he he mentioned that he found me very pleasant, very
• 2:36:20
  kind to talk to, and I definitely didn't come off like
• 2:36:23
  a normal Satanist. That would have just been
• 2:36:25
  attack, attack, attack, attack. And the reason being for that is
• 2:36:30
  we have the most Christians have treat others like you would have
• 2:36:35
  them treat you, we would say treat us how you would have us
• 2:36:40
  treat you. And that's something that Anton
• 2:36:44
  Louis instilled the Satanic Bible.
• 2:36:47
  And certainly, I don't know if you've watched TTORS talk video
• 2:36:54
  about his about you guys talking with me.
• 2:36:57
  The first time I came on the air with you guys, it was coming off
• 2:37:03
  and saying Leigh Giborden very loudly, very obviously,
• 2:37:07
  mockingly. And he was, you know, being very
• 2:37:13
  not so cool and trying to say any Christian in their with
• 2:37:23
  result would have immediately identified those deities as evil
• 2:37:27
  spirits, as demons and whatnot. And I'd like to address that
• 2:37:31
  that most he's like, didn't you wonder why?
• 2:37:34
  This is very condescending, very rude.
• 2:37:38
  And this is a big mistake that most Christians make with
• 2:37:43
  Satanist, most Christians make with anybody who's not a
• 2:37:46
  Christian. And then they wonder why they
• 2:37:49
  get treated so harshly later on. We're of the mindset that if you
• 2:37:56
  want us to treat you with respect, you need to treat us
• 2:37:59
  with respect. And then don't try to walk it
• 2:38:01
  back when you think that we're not looking.
• 2:38:07
  Personally, yes, I knew immediately that these deities
• 2:38:12
  were what most people would call demons because the in
• 2:38:18
  Christianity and Brett, I'm pretty sure you will agree with
• 2:38:20
  me on this. I know everybody else who's a
• 2:38:23
  Satanist in the room, who's watching and everything will
• 2:38:27
  agree with me on this, that the deities of old, the gods of old
• 2:38:33
  and all these other cultures were demon were demonized by the
• 2:38:38
  Catholic Church, by Christianity.
• 2:38:40
  And when that occurred, they became what we would identify as
• 2:38:44
  demons in Satanism, and they fell into the realms of Satanism
• 2:38:50
  and Satanic practice. Because anything that was not
• 2:38:54
  Christian, it was demonized and it became Satanic in the
• 2:38:59
  Christian point of view. So we see all these old gods
• 2:39:03
  like Anubis, Zeus, Osiris, Yin, Lo Wang, and so on and so forth,
• 2:39:12
  who might have been kind benevolent gods before.
• 2:39:16
  Once they get into the Christianized versions, they
• 2:39:21
  become evil. We certainly see Hades from
• 2:39:24
  Greek mythology, the God of the underworld, become demonized to
• 2:39:28
  being a variant form of the devil.
• 2:39:30
  And then in Dante's Inferno he takes on his name of Pluto and
• 2:39:36
  on the third level of Hell I believe it was he's running
• 2:39:40
  around. They're all mad and insane
• 2:39:43
  because you know why what what happened?
• 2:39:46
  You know, we, we understand that the after the Greek underworld
• 2:39:51
  got turned into the pit of hell and this was his Kingdom once.
• 2:39:55
  So that's part of our mythology and our war.
• 2:39:59
  Certainly we understand that these beings are now considered
• 2:40:03
  demons and we have no problem with that.
• 2:40:05
  That doesn't change the fact that they might be benevolent
• 2:40:07
  spirits. It doesn't make them evil
• 2:40:09
  spirits. And for anybody to say that
• 2:40:14
  something like that is an evil spirit.
• 2:40:18
  To us, we look at like, OK, you have not studied, you've not
• 2:40:23
  done your research, you're just following blindly the Christian
• 2:40:27
  party line, just like how the Church Satan likes to follow the
• 2:40:31
  atheist party line. We look at that very
• 2:40:33
  abhorrently. So that's that's my piece.
• 2:40:37
  I'm going to leave it rest there, I can lecture on for
• 2:40:39
  hours about it. I think it's probably even the
• 2:40:44
  term daemon was demonized. You know, Damon originally meant
• 2:40:51
  muse or you know, a spirit that spoke to the people that were
• 2:40:56
  calling for him. So it's sort of like a guardian
• 2:40:58
  Angel or a muse or something like that.
• 2:41:00
  And then Christianity demonized the word demon.
• 2:41:04
  So it's no longer The first mention that we have of the word
• 2:41:07
  demon is actually in the story of Gilgamesh, where a demon
• 2:41:13
  Gilgamesh goes after a demon who's not hurting anybody.
• 2:41:16
  He's a he's a watchdog, he's a protector of a forest.
• 2:41:20
  And Gilgamesh goes and kills him for no good reason other than
• 2:41:23
  fact that he's ugly. His face looks like it's made of
• 2:41:26
  intestines and that's the only reason.
• 2:41:29
  He just goes out and he kills this demon for no other reason.
• 2:41:34
  So yeah, oh, we see. We see that.
• 2:41:39
  You're exactly right, Chris. You know, even the term demon
• 2:41:42
  was demonized. When we see what demons actually
• 2:41:48
  what people consider demons is actually an elemental or some
• 2:41:54
  people call them inhuman spirits.
• 2:41:57
  What it basically is, it's just a nature spirit that is, that is
• 2:42:04
  set to guard something. It could be a spirit to guard a
• 2:42:07
  home, a piece of property of a treasure in some stories, or
• 2:42:13
  even a person you know, these are guardian spirits that you
• 2:42:17
  know. Of course they're going to look
• 2:42:19
  vicious. They're going to look evil.
• 2:42:20
  And when their territory is violated or the thing that
• 2:42:23
  they're protecting is violated, they're going to come after
• 2:42:25
  whoever's doing it. They're just doing their job.
• 2:42:35
  I'll go back later and take a look at what TTR said about that
• 2:42:40
  and if I feel there's anything that comes off rough or raw,
• 2:42:44
  then I'll I haven't talked with him about it.
• 2:42:47
  I apologize if anything was offensive.
• 2:42:51
  Yeah, if there was a lot there that was offensive.
• 2:42:54
  And I the sad part is is I was expecting it to I I kind of
• 2:42:58
  expected it because that seems to be and I know Chris and Zagan
• 2:43:03
  will verify this and any Satanist watching right now
• 2:43:09
  Kane, Johnny, they'll they'll all verify this that that is the
• 2:43:15
  go to tactic of most Christians. That they'll be nice to your
• 2:43:18
  face and then behind your back they'll come off all holier than
• 2:43:22
  thou. And you know, I don't know what,
• 2:43:26
  They're just very rude. And it's one of the reasons why
• 2:43:29
  many Satanists, many Pagans, many occultists become very
• 2:43:33
  hostile and not willing to talk. Very much so, in the same way
• 2:43:38
  that I've told the Church Satan to go piss off because they
• 2:43:41
  decided to do the same thing. Yeah, I got some friends over on
• 2:43:47
  Rumble who are into Paganism and they're part of different
• 2:43:51
  groups. Obviously it's an umbrella term
• 2:43:53
  and unfortunately can't seem to get the other Christians to
• 2:43:58
  actually come into the room and have conversations with them,
• 2:44:02
  even though they're some of the nicest, most respectful,
• 2:44:05
  educated people that you could have a conversation with.
• 2:44:09
  It is, it's sad. I I think a lot of people, they
• 2:44:12
  do this whole judge book by its cover and they can't get beyond
• 2:44:16
  the label. And that's sad.
• 2:44:19
  Well, I think too you have to look at the starting point.
• 2:44:23
  And so if you look at the starting point of most
• 2:44:25
  Christians as can't question anything to begin with.
• 2:44:30
  So an open dialogue even within Christians is something that's
• 2:44:34
  forbidden, let alone talking to, you know, devil worshippers.
• 2:44:41
  So I I think that's pretty much. Though contrary to what we say
• 2:44:45
  with when we say question everything.
• 2:44:49
  Yeah. So you know, right that's that's
• 2:44:56
  going to be the inherent issue and I think it's it's also not
• 2:45:00
  where it would have talked with you and that you seem really
• 2:45:02
  open minded to at least hear our side and really see it from our
• 2:45:08
  point of view while still holding your own, which is you
• 2:45:12
  know healthy debate is all about no matter the topic.
• 2:45:16
  But in in general, I think that's where the flaw lies and
• 2:45:23
  that the concept of why would I discuss I'm not supposed to
• 2:45:27
  question these things. And I think that's also part of
• 2:45:30
  the reason why most Christians don't even read their own Bible,
• 2:45:34
  because it's like quit a minute, there's a this this thing
• 2:45:38
  doesn't make quite sense as I read it.
• 2:45:40
  And you know, different denominations are more literal
• 2:45:43
  than others, so not so much. Or reinvent the whole concept of
• 2:45:48
  the Bible and God, their own liking to whatever fits like,
• 2:45:53
  like Levay say atheistic Christians.
• 2:45:57
  So in saying all that it's just difficult to have that
• 2:46:03
  discussion with anybody about Christianity and come to
• 2:46:11
  understand what the Bible says or what any other perspective
• 2:46:16
  might be because it's it's frowned upon it's you know it's
• 2:46:20
  a swim to even question. So I don't know I.
• 2:46:26
  And so like you know like like a warrior was saying it's it's
• 2:46:31
  kind of expected at this moment that somebody's going to be rude
• 2:46:34
  behind or back even if they because they already come from a
• 2:46:38
  standpoint of like what I think and believe is correct and the
• 2:46:41
  only way. So why do I care?
• 2:46:43
  What you're really saying? And as saying as we come from a
• 2:46:46
  different perspective is yeah, Satan is going to show himself
• 2:46:54
  to us in different ways, in different fashions, true to the
• 2:46:59
  black flame. So in that regards, we don't, we
• 2:47:04
  don't live in a duality of I'm right and you're wrong.
• 2:47:08
  It's I'm trying to learn even more as to what I feel is this
• 2:47:13
  black flame. And that's the difference.
• 2:47:19
  I think as long as one goes with the philosophy, and I I know the
• 2:47:23
  philosophy is a little interchanged here.
• 2:47:26
  But if people are going to claim that they love other people and
• 2:47:30
  you want to do unto others and you want to be able to it, it
• 2:47:34
  even goes so far as they love your enemy.
• 2:47:36
  If you're actually going to do that, then that doesn't involve
• 2:47:40
  insulting people, attacking people, demonizing people and
• 2:47:44
  all this, but just it wouldn't make sense.
• 2:47:47
  It's a form of love I've never gotten accustomed to.
• 2:47:53
  I'm going to quickly interrupt here, Johnny, you're not seeing
• 2:47:55
  all the comments because we are streaming to multiple platforms
• 2:48:00
  and what not. So you're on YouTube, Scott is
• 2:48:04
  on Facebook. And so, you know, the only way
• 2:48:10
  that you guys are going to see each other's comments is if I
• 2:48:12
  put it up on the screen here, yeah.
• 2:48:20
  Looks like you got this program pretty figured out man.
• 2:48:26
  I'm starting to get there. There's still some things that
• 2:48:29
  I'm learning and whatnot, but I'm starting to get there.
• 2:48:32
  At least this time I'm not accidentally banning somebody
• 2:48:34
  who doesn't deserve it. All right, so well, you know, we
• 2:48:46
  we've covered a lot of ground here and everything we get.
• 2:48:49
  I'm going to wrap it up here in about 12 minutes.
• 2:48:51
  We're going to kill it in about 3 hours.
• 2:48:54
  I think that's pretty good length of time.
• 2:48:56
  We've covered plenty of ground here on numerous different
• 2:49:00
  topics. We've read at least what, 3-4
• 2:49:03
  different articles concerning different topics and Satanism.
• 2:49:10
  I think one of the most important things to take away
• 2:49:12
  from all this that is important to demonstrate and show is that
• 2:49:18
  atheists, they are certainly trying to invade and hijack many
• 2:49:24
  different religions. And there's I don't know what
• 2:49:28
  their whole prerogative is other than the fact that they they
• 2:49:31
  want to destroy religion, but they they they definitely they
• 2:49:42
  they want to destroy religion. I don't understand the
• 2:49:44
  perspective behind it, yet I kind of do.
• 2:49:47
  Religion has been the source of many woes over the centuries,
• 2:49:51
  especially with Christianity. During the burning times, with
• 2:49:56
  Islam randomly having jihads where they cut people's heads
• 2:50:00
  off and everything, light them on fire and doing all sorts of
• 2:50:04
  horrid stuff, religion has been the source of a great source of
• 2:50:09
  extreme pain and suffering in the world.
• 2:50:12
  But at the same time, religion is this is what I'm going to
• 2:50:15
  say. Religion has also been the
• 2:50:16
  source of great inspiration, and it doesn't really matter if
• 2:50:21
  you're a Christian, if you're a Satanist, if you're a Buddhist,
• 2:50:25
  if you're a Muslim. Christianity, Religion in
• 2:50:30
  general has been the source of great suffering and woe,
• 2:50:35
  sometimes even great stupidity, but also great intellect and
• 2:50:40
  great beauty, great artwork. Anton Lavey in the Joe Pine Show
• 2:50:46
  made a very solid point when he said that certainly he believes
• 2:50:50
  in that God exists. Before he said that, he he
• 2:50:54
  acknowledged that religion in general, especially
• 2:50:56
  Christianity, has been a wonderful source for some many
• 2:50:59
  beautiful works of art, many beautiful works of literature
• 2:51:04
  and music, and just has taught people on how to be just really
• 2:51:10
  wonderful people in general. He doesn't feel you know?
• 2:51:16
  And when people who actually study The Satanic Bible and
• 2:51:23
  actually read it through and understand Satanism and what
• 2:51:29
  not, anybody who's actually studied Satanism will understand
• 2:51:36
  that, you know, it's not for everybody.
• 2:51:39
  You know, certainly our religion is not always the gentlest of
• 2:51:44
  religions and philosophy, but it has certainly given us plenty of
• 2:51:52
  food for thought, plenty of things to be aware of, and has
• 2:51:56
  inspired us to be the best person that we can be.
• 2:52:00
  And I believe at the end of the day, that is the ultimate goal
• 2:52:05
  of modern religion, that it is. It is something that we should
• 2:52:10
  separate away from the politics of our society.
• 2:52:14
  It is no longer a political system and should never be a
• 2:52:17
  political system again. It is the oldest of political
• 2:52:21
  systems. But certainly, But I believe
• 2:52:25
  that religion should never be done away with.
• 2:52:28
  Because religion has inspired so much beauty and it has guided so
• 2:52:34
  many people through, as Scott said, hard times in their lives.
• 2:52:39
  And where one religion may fail a person, another religion may
• 2:52:43
  instill something in them to be the best person that they can
• 2:52:47
  ever be. And certainly for me,
• 2:52:51
  Christianity failed. I will never go back to
• 2:52:53
  Christianity. I lost my faith in it.
• 2:52:56
  Also, you know, I was a Wiccan for a long time.
• 2:52:59
  I cherished my time as a Wiccan and studying it and everything.
• 2:53:03
  But at the end of the day, it didn't jive with me completely.
• 2:53:07
  Being a Satanist, I've been able to, you know, push myself to
• 2:53:12
  become far better. I you know, when I was younger,
• 2:53:17
  I walked away from a white collar family.
• 2:53:19
  I walked away from a lot of money and I decided that I was
• 2:53:22
  going to make my own mark in the world.
• 2:53:24
  And for years it just wasn't going anywhere, following the
• 2:53:28
  right hand path, following the white white traditions.
• 2:53:30
  But the moment I started getting into the left hand path, I
• 2:53:33
  started motivating myself. I learned to I taught myself on
• 2:53:37
  how to write books and edit and use software and learn how to do
• 2:53:42
  digital art and do all these other things.
• 2:53:44
  And now in my 40s, you know, I've certainly gone through some
• 2:53:50
  hard times and some very rough times, But now, as you know,
• 2:53:54
  people will know, I published numerous books.
• 2:53:57
  I published a magazine, I own my own home.
• 2:54:00
  I own almost 4 acres of land. And this is stuff that I have
• 2:54:08
  accomplished in my life. And I attribute my faith, my
• 2:54:11
  religion, to much of it. And I'm certain you know, many
• 2:54:16
  Christians will say the same thing.
• 2:54:18
  Many other Satanists will say the same thing.
• 2:54:19
  Many Buddhists will say the same thing.
• 2:54:23
  All of it is, all of it is true. And any religion, no matter
• 2:54:33
  what, will lead you to that. If you have complete faith in
• 2:54:37
  it, if it vibes with you, the last thing I will say on this is
• 2:54:42
  that you should never try to change yourself to fit into a
• 2:54:46
  religion. You should find a religion that
• 2:54:50
  describes you as you naturally are, as you naturally think, as
• 2:54:54
  you are instinctively, and then just adopt that.
• 2:55:00
  This is why we say Satanists are never born or Satanists are
• 2:55:04
  born. We they are never created.
• 2:55:07
  They are never converted. They are born Satanist.
• 2:55:10
  This is just how you naturally are if you agree with what we
• 2:55:14
  say, if you, if you agree with what we believe, if you agree
• 2:55:19
  with Satanic Bible, then all that is left for you to do when
• 2:55:23
  you see yourself in that book is to just simply take on a mantle
• 2:55:28
  A Satanist and that's it. And that's where I'm going to
• 2:55:34
  leave my lecture on this off and I'm going to open up the mic to
• 2:55:40
  Zagen and Brett and Christopher. I'm also going to within this
• 2:55:45
  next 5 minutes, if anybody wants to, if they have anything to add
• 2:55:49
  or say, they can. If any STS members who have our
• 2:55:53
  link want to jump in, you can certainly do.
• 2:55:56
  We will bring you on to the air really quickly for you to
• 2:56:00
  commentate and share your views and opinions with us on the air.
• 2:56:04
  Just make sure you have a working mic and whatnot.
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  You don't have to have a camera on if you don't want it.
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  I'm going to touch base on the whole, choosing which religion
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  fits you best. Part, 'cause I'm saying you're
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  thinking about the people that get into Satanism, Lavay
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  Satanism specifically, and then they get further down the line
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  and they try changing things. I'm like, everything is laid out
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  for you in the very beginning. We put all of our tenants out
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  there. You got the rules of the earth,
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  you have the Satanic statements, you have the Satanic sins all
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  laying out the Levanian philosophy of what we are are
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  not about. So I don't understand how you
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  get 5 years down the road and you're like, yeah, I agreed with
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  all of that. I claim to be 100% Satanist, but
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  I'm not going to go with that. So I'm just going to blacklight
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  that and move on. I mean, if it doesn't fit with
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  you, there's no point in saying I like kool-aid.
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  So I'm just going to keep adding water until you know I have
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  water and I'm going to still say I like kool-aid.
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  Just say you don't like Kool-aid like you like water.
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  When it's no longer what you like, when it's no longer what
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  it originally is, Change the name.
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  Don't hold on to the same title anymore.
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  Find something else that fits you better.
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  You know, even in Christianity, in Christianity, you have so
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  many different denominations to get you to the same place, but
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  they're all matched to fit people with different
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  personalities. You know, a Southern Baptist and
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  a Pentecostal aren't exactly going to, you know, feel
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  comfortable in each other's churches, but they both had the
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  same idea of where they want to go and the same goal to get
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  there. If you switch them out, they
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  probably go This isn't for me, and they probably leave and find
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  a different church family. I would think that the same
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  would be with for a natural Satanist.
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  You should be able to fall in line with everything.
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  Everything should fall in line with you.
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  And if any of that stuff doesn't kosher with you, get out and go
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  somewhere else, right? It's all laid out.
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  We give you specifically everything you need to know.
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  There's a reason why we have different denomination.
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  I agree with what you guys have said.
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  I guess my suggestion for people out there, especially if there's
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  Christians watching from my channel, please don't go making
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  a video on packaging someone's testimony, whether it's a
• 2:58:22
  testimony for Jesus or a testimony about Satanism or
• 2:58:26
  whatever the case might be. If you want to learn about
• 2:58:29
  someone's views, then interact with them directly and talk to
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  them so you can have a better understanding where they're
• 2:58:35
  coming from. No Christian out there, I I
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  guarantee you wouldn't want to make a video where you share the
• 2:58:40
  most personal, intimate experience.
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  And then I have 10,000 people on package you to tell you what
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  they think you ought to be saying.
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  It's offensive. So just think about it, what you
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  would do in that position. All right, that's all I got.
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  You're absolutely right there, Brett.
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  Absolutely, 100% right. Yeah, It just just to kind of, I
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  guess, final thoughts on my end like, you know, we're, I can
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  speak for myself and say that this was something that I felt
• 2:59:22
  very inherently since out of it. No, this isn't something that
• 2:59:27
  I'm lashing out against my parents, 'cause they didn't Take
• 2:59:31
  Me Out and when I wanted to or get me all the brand new toys
• 2:59:35
  when I wanted, they did. They were great, actually.
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  They're great parents when it came to that.
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  So it's not oh, I come from this or that.
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  Like there's no, there's no reason.
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  It is that you can say, well, this is where it went wrong with
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  him and This is why he is the way he is.
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  It's just an act like it's it's not.
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  It's more of like things happen theistically in my life.
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  That led me to this path, you know very early age and things
• 3:00:06
  are just adding up. So and that's why I'm so
• 3:00:11
  passionate about correcting what it really is.
• 3:00:15
  It's not atheistic because I don't know how well I'm starting
• 3:00:21
  to like form different hypothesis of this.
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  But when you enter a room, I I'm sure if like it might be
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  something similar to when you enter a church but when you
• 3:00:34
  enter a ritual chamber, just entering it, you feel something
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  and how can you as a as a counselor somebody involved in
• 3:00:46
  mental health and who studied so much psychology.
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  I I can't go into a ritual chamber and say like Oh yeah,
• 3:00:55
  this is this and I can explain it with psychology.
• 3:00:57
  I'm like no, like something is happening here outside of my
• 3:01:00
  senses. And so how is somebody that has
• 3:01:04
  no educational background in psychology, mental health, a
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  psychiatrist kind of sit there and tell me what's like what is
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  happening psychologically in the original chamber to me?
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  Like it's like you don't understand what you've been
• 3:01:19
  talking about from an atheist standpoint.
• 3:01:22
  So that's why I'm so passionate about trying to correct these
• 3:01:25
  wrongs And and you know, that's why I'm so proud to be part of
• 3:01:30
  STS, because it's like we've got to correct this.
• 3:01:34
  It's the same if, you know, with Christianity.
• 3:01:37
  It's just they're saying Oh no, you know Jesus was whatever and
• 3:01:42
  he's he's just some guy we made-up and you know all that
• 3:01:47
  stuff in the Old Testament isn't real and oh, the New Testament,
• 3:01:51
  Nah, it just worry about loving other people and that's it.
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  Like, no, There's so much in there too, that people just
• 3:01:57
  swing their hands up to kind of match what they want.
• 3:02:01
  And that's that's the difference between a religion and a group
• 3:02:05
  mindset. It's a religion is something
• 3:02:09
  that it's there and you are part of it or not.
• 3:02:13
  And if you're not gonna try to change it, like, you know, Chris
• 3:02:17
  was saying so in saying all that, people might criticize
• 3:02:21
  where we came from, what we do. That's fine.
• 3:02:24
  At the end of the day though, this is my reality and this is
• 3:02:27
  my experience. And if it was so easily
• 3:02:30
  dissuade, like say, Job was, then I would have left a long
• 3:02:35
  time ago. But here I am almost 40 years
• 3:02:39
  strong in this and it's not going to change.
• 3:02:47
  That's all really good statements right there.
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  And you know, we're now a little bit over 3 hours.
• 3:02:54
  We're going to go ahead and wrap this up guys.
• 3:02:57
  But I wanted to say thank you to everybody who's come out
• 3:03:00
  tonight, who's watched us and joined us, left comments, tried
• 3:03:04
  to troll us because they didn't like us.
• 3:03:08
  I know that we have Church of Satan members also watching and
• 3:03:10
  I hope that they listen and they rewatch and they go back over
• 3:03:15
  the Barton letter and they realize what was said there and
• 3:03:19
  they go back over to Cool Goddess When they start looking
• 3:03:22
  back over the Jansen files. Certainly we'll investigate the
• 3:03:26
  Jansen files in a more complete way in future videos and live
• 3:03:34
  streams and everything else. I'm going to leave people off
• 3:03:38
  with one final thought. As long as you are true to
• 3:03:42
  yourself, you can't go wrong. As long as you are honest with
• 3:03:47
  yourself, you can never be dissuaded the moment you start
• 3:03:53
  lying to yourself, the moment you start trying to convince
• 3:03:58
  yourself of something that you don't honestly believe, is when
• 3:04:03
  you fail utterly. If you feel that way naturally,
• 3:04:10
  if you believe in something, naturally, if it has helped you,
• 3:04:14
  if it has enriched your life, then stay with it.
• 3:04:20
  It doesn't matter. People try to criticize you.
• 3:04:23
  It doesn't matter if people want to do anything.
• 3:04:27
  The moment somebody tries to troll you because they don't
• 3:04:30
  like what you're saying. The moment somebody tries to
• 3:04:33
  change the narrative, to flip the script, to try to make it
• 3:04:37
  sound like you're saying something that you're not,
• 3:04:39
  you've won. So long as you stay true to
• 3:04:42
  yourself. Certainly, as Brat pointed out,
• 3:04:47
  we have trolls that our Church Satan members who no doubt are
• 3:04:52
  on Twitter right now screaming. And I certainly hope that they
• 3:04:58
  do because they're screaming because they know that they are
• 3:05:03
  losing and that they know that they are wrong.
• 3:05:05
  Because there are people here. They certainly have Brat, a
• 3:05:09
  Christian, former atheist. We have Chris, who is former
• 3:05:13
  Church Satan and Temple of the Vampire himself.
• 3:05:16
  We have former Catholic Bishops and others, me being a former
• 3:05:21
  Wiccan, former Southern Baptist even before that and whatnot,
• 3:05:28
  who's gone through seminary school and he's devoted my life
• 3:05:31
  to the study of religion. We have all these people who are
• 3:05:35
  great minds. We've chosen to come on to this
• 3:05:38
  channel to to share our live streams with each other.
• 3:05:42
  And even though we get criticized for it, we stick
• 3:05:46
  together. And that's the most important
• 3:05:47
  thing. Why do we stick together?
• 3:05:50
  Because we know that we are right as long as we are honest
• 3:05:55
  with ourselves. That's where I'm going to leave
• 3:05:57
  everybody off at. Brett, thank you for joining us
• 3:06:02
  tonight. Well, I have more awesome open
• 3:06:08
  discussions with you guys. We certainly look forward to
• 3:06:12
  having you on again, Chris. I want to touch base on
• 3:06:18
  something that was said earlier real quick.
• 3:06:22
  Brett Luke at A or Lucifer had talked to you about or asked me
• 3:06:28
  if I wanted to share with you what I did for a living.
• 3:06:31
  And sometime when it's just the US on at a personal level, I'd
• 3:06:35
  be happy to share some of the stories he was talking about.
• 3:06:38
  So I just want you to know it's nothing against you personally.
• 3:06:42
  Oh, I understand. You guys are getting to know me
• 3:06:45
  and I'm trying to figure out what I'm all about.
• 3:06:47
  I get it. I get.
• 3:06:48
  I wouldn't expect it any other way.
• 3:06:56
  So we got, Of course we have people thanking us for a great
• 3:07:00
  show. Everybody else is heading out
• 3:07:03
  and so we are going to head out ourselves.
• 3:07:07
  I want to say Abe, Satanas Reggae Satanas.
• 3:07:10
  Hail Satan. Hail thyself.
• 3:07:14
  Hail Satan. And old to Mathul, my name is
• 3:07:20
  Lucifer Leggeborden. Thank you all for joining us
• 3:07:23
  tonight. We will see you again and
• 3:07:25
  hopefully you'll be doing more live streams in the future.
• 3:07:29
  And for all those church state members out there watching us
• 3:07:33
  and screaming, scream on, scream loud, you all have a good night.