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Football's Changing Face: Loyalty in the Modern Game · Team of the eighties

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  Taylor.
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  Oh, what a goal by Peter Taylor.
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  Ah, welcome to team of the 80s.
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  My name's Gary Spencer.
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  You definitely know that by now.
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  And if you don't, well, that's what it is.
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  And.
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  And welcome to this week's podcast, team of the 80s.
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  Before we get into it, just like to say that last week I spent two and a half hours with the legendary Andy Gray.
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  Yeah, that Andy Gray.
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  Andy Gray that scored at Liverpool in that mammoth FA cup semi final.
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  So, yeah, I had a great chat with Andy.
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  We played together a bit as school boys.
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  I didn't last very long.
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  Um, but, yeah, I had a great chat with Andy and I'll be bringing his show out, his podcast out with me in the international break, so that's something to look forward to.
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  Okay, could you please, like, subscribe?
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  Comment.
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  It really helps with the algorithm and it gets me in front of you and it helps me debate with you.
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  So you can also find me on TikTok and Instagram and all the other nonsense.
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  And if you either listen to it on Apple Podcast, Amazon, Spotify, or you can watch this on YouTube, either way, it's great to debate with you.
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  It's great.
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  Football's a game of opinions.
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  I'd like to hear yours.
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  You keep hearing mine.
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  And, yeah, it makes the whole show.
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  The whole.
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  The show without you guys is really just me talking to this camera, and I don't want to be doing that too much on my own.
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  Let's start this week with the boss.
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  Let's start with Sage, or Sarge, whatever his name is.
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  I'm not particularly happy with him, you know, and before any of you pelt me and tell me you didn't like Glasner.
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  No, I didn't like Lesnar either, in the beginning.
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  And actually, it did all work out for him, but it didn't work out for Vieira, and I wasn't sure about him.
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  And it certainly didn't work out for frankly Burr.
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  And I wanted frankly Berg on after the Huddersfield game.
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  That was when we got beat three nil by a team that had just come up.
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  I'm not happy with Sage because I said this in my podcast last week.
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  He's just very uninspiring to me.
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  And right now, these boys need something they believe in.
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  And there's a lot of noise on Twitter as to why so many players are leaving.
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  Why?
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  Well, there's many reasons why they're leaving.
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  One, they want a payday.
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  Two, the club is probably a bigger club.
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  And three, they are.
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  They're obviously not buying into what the new boss is sending them.
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  Are they?
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  They're not.
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  You know, you don't.
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  You know there's bigger clubs out there that are managed.
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  So for instance, Mourinho or Venga or Klopp, you know, I know that those guys manage big clubs, but if somebody's not getting in the side, they can move, but they don't.
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  Those type of managers don't lose many players, do they?
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  I feel sorry for Unai Emery at Villa.
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  He's lost a lot of players.
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  But then you can tell by the way they played.
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  I've just watched the Arsenal game.
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  You can tell by the way that.
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  That they played, that they're all buying into his philosophy.
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  I look at the way we've played in our first two games, we look horrible.
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  And I mean horrible.
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  And those people on Twitter that were talking about that, we did well on Friday in the first half.
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  What, after the first five minutes?
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  Because after the first five minutes we got pumped.
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  Seriously.
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  Could have been five, six or seven.
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  So that's a big concern to me, that the players aren't buying into what Sage is doing.
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  The Ultras.
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  I'd like to mention the Ultras because I do feel they disbanded on Thursday.
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  I think it was last Thursday after 20 years.
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  Definitely.
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  Definitely a big asset to the club, but I think that they were more of an asset to the club than as a media PR spin than actually in the ground.
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  Yes, they did help with the atmosphere, but you know what?
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  I've seen great atmospheres at Sellers park in the third division with 15, 000 people and I've seen great atmospheres in 1979.
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  Yeah.
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  Admittedly we have 52, 000 that night, but there's a great atmosphere.
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  And all through that time, third, second, first, and then you said the Premier League.
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  Then for you that don't know, because there seems to be a lot of you that don't know the First Division was the Premier League.
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  That whole ground chanting Eagles, big atmosphere.
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  But one thing that you're not going to get at Sellers park is a big atmosphere if the team aren't playing well.
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  So here's the thing.
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  I very much appreciate what the Holders did at Crystal Palace.
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  I think they were fantastic for the team.
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  I felt that they were definitely more of a plus as a PR spin because every time they club were on tv, every time the club got mad.
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  Oh, the best atmosphere in the Premier League.
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  It's not the best atmosphere in the Premier League.
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  We know that there's.
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  It's not the same as Newcastle Away, it's not the same as Liverpool.
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  Away, it's not the same as Man United.
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  Away, those grounds are much larger, much larger and the sound is much more.
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  But the atmosphere for what we have is excellent.
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  But if we play well, we'll get that atmosphere back.
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  We're not going to have a great atmosphere playing like we're playing.
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  So let's sort out the plane and the atmosphere take care of itself.
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  Meanwhile, a huge thank you to the Ultras and what they've done for us, our transfers.
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  Yeah, a lot of people are excited by the time this comes out.
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  I'm not sure if A Sar will still be a Crystal palace player because it's coming out on Tuesday around lunchtime.
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  I'm not sure if Sarah still be a Palace player by then.
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  And all those of you jumping up and down saying, oh, we're not going to sell him because we don't have a replacement, fine, we may not sell sa.
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  But if he doesn't want to play, it's going to be very difficult, isn't it?
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  I think I was digging out Sage earlier.
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  I think one thing Sage did do, even though he mugged off fans was protect Sar to some way by saying he had a groin injury.
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  So maybe you'll get some points with that from sa because Sage didn't throw him under the bus.
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  He didn't say no, he doesn't want to play.
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  He said that he's got an injury, but of course he doesn't have an injury and I'm pretty certain that Mateta doesn't have an injury either.
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  Now I don't know if Parish told Matteo just to off for a month and sort himself out, but those two boys don't want to play for us.
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  So yeah, we can keep them but.
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  But we've seen before what it's like when a player's at the club and he doesn't want to play for you.
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  Gahi was an exception.
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  Gahi is made out of different stuff and although I like what Gay he did, I don't blame the players if they want to get a move because why wouldn't they?
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  This is their last shot at a bigger club.
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  They're going to get more dough and they're going to end up at a bigger club.
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  So I can't listen all you guys expect palace, these players to have like Crystal palace tattooed across their heart.
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  Those days are gone.
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  Those days are long gone.
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  There's no loyalty.
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  There hasn't been any.
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  There hasn't been loyalty in football since the 80s, 80s on and as soon as the big dough came along, that was the end of the loyalty.
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  Right?
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  So forget it.
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  If somebody wants to play for the club, fantastic.
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  And we can pay them and it's all good.
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  But as soon as somebody doesn't want to play for the club, it's going to be very, very difficult.
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  So what do I think is going to happen?
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  I would say Saab will probably get his move.
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  I would say Sal would probably get his move.
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  Mateta.
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  I don't know what's happening with Mateta.
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  And are we going to bring anybody in?
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  Who can we bring in?
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  We don't have the dough to bring anybody in.
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  Don't forget we're still building a stadium.
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  So who's going to pay for that?
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  Do you think Paris going to pay for it?
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  It's got no doubt.
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  So, yeah, just let's just remember where we are, who we are, what we are, and before anyone comes back and says, oh, you know, we won a European trophy, we won three trophies.
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  Listen, we finished 17th in the league.
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  That's what we can be judged on, the cup.
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  The cup is all a lottery, really.
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  Right.
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  We won the FA cup.
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  Great.
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  That made us enter the Community Shield.
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  Fantastic.
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  We won that.
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  And then we won a Europa Conference league, which was pretty dreadful.
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  In the qualifying rounds.
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  We scraped through and in the end, yeah, we won it, but we finished 17th and we just about stayed up.
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  For me, Crystal palace is a club with a business model that has to stay in the Premier League.
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  That's all it has to do.
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  If it wins a cup here and there.
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  Fantastic.
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  But don't think that Crystal palace are going to push on.
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  Did Leicester push on?
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  No, they sold.
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  They sold mares, they sold Drink water, they.
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  So they sold the fellow plays in midfield, Culte Coney.
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  Yeah, the filler that went to Chelsea, they sold all their good players, Danny Simpson, they sold them all.
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  So, yeah, don't expect Crystal palace to suddenly be a top six club because it's not going to happen.
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  So get it out your head.
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  Just be happy that we play in the Premier League and we've played there for the last 12 seasons.
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  That is a huge achievement for Crystal Palace Football Club.
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  So be happy.
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  Just be happy.
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  One of the things I wanted to talk about is the refereeing at the start of this season.
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  I don't know about you, but did anybody see the Manchester United game?
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  The Maguire handball?
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  If he does that anywhere else on the pitch, it's handball, right?
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  He put his hands in front of his body and he pushed the ball into the penalty box.
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  I don't know.
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  There was a pass or he finished.
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  I can't remember what happened.
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  But it was handball and the referee didn't give it because.
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  That's right.
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  Maguire's shot was deflected into the net.
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  So the referee gave the goal.
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  If Maguire does that anywhere else on the pitch, it's handball.
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  I.
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  I just did not understand that decision.
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  So let me know what you think about that, please, because that was scandalous for me.
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  It was amble all day long.
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  And lastly, those of you that are on Twitter, Twitter, Palace.
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  Twitter can be a fiery place.
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  It can be very, very toxic.
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  And some of the opinions on there, I.
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  Listen, like I said, at this top of the show, football is about opinions.
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  And I get it, but it's.
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  I don't know what you want the club to be.
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  I.
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  I really don't.
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  I understand ambition, but we have to realize our limitations.
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  So those of you on Twitter.
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  I'm on Twitter, Team of the 80s.
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  You can find me on there.
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  You can debate with me on there.
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  I'm also on Instagram and TikTok.
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  So, yeah, let me know your opinions, let me know your comments, and I'll see you next week.
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  All right?
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  So come on, you.