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The Late Debate | 8 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James McPherson with Joe Hildebrand and Lucy Zelich on
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  Speaker 3: our last program for the week.
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  Speaker 2: What have you got planned for the weekend, Joe?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely nothing, and I hope it stays that way. I.
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  Speaker 4: All change is bad. All activity is risky. Never leave
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  Speaker 4: the house. That's my motto.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind a lazy weekend at home after a
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  Speaker 3: busy few days.
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  Speaker 5: I love a.
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  Speaker 6: Lazy weekend at home and especially this. Of course, I've
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  Speaker 6: been moonlighting on the program for the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 5: My last. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: It's been so nice.
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  Speaker 5: But it's so fun.
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  Speaker 6: But I really do love leaning into just chilling out
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  Speaker 6: with the family on a Saturday, getting to church on
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  Speaker 6: a Sunday, resetting and then going for the week again.
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  Speaker 2: Very good. All right, well, let's get into tonight's program.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up.
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Chris Minns tells Sydneysiders get used
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  Speaker 3: to seeing police armed with rifles patrolling the streets as
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  Speaker 3: the terrorism threat increases. Meanwhile, Victorian Premier Ben Carroll runs
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  Speaker 3: away when an angry voter confronts him about immigrant crime.
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  Speaker 3: And a woman dumps her boyfriend after he gets a
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  Speaker 3: flight upgrade and leaves her behind in economy class.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what you would do. We'll talk about that shortly.
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  Speaker 3: But first, Cricket Victoria has come up with a novel
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  Speaker 3: way to boost spectator numbers at this season's Sheffield Shield Games.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of working from home... They're promoting work from the shield.
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  Speaker 3: For 16 bucks, you get into the cricket and you
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  Speaker 3: can work from the stadium's function room while watching the game.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like Cricket Victoria are on a winner here.
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  Speaker 3: General Manager Felicity George says that the tickets available for
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  Speaker 3: day one of the game between Victoria and South Australia
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  Speaker 3: all sold out.
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  Speaker 7: When you look at, again, when we're working here, there
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  Speaker 7: are often a lot of people sitting around with the
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  Speaker 7: laptop on their desks, sorry, on their knees. So we've
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  Speaker 7: basically just provided them a desk, given them a bit
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  Speaker 7: more of a comfortable spot to do their work. So
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure exactly where they've all come from, whether
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  Speaker 7: they're freelancers that generally work from home or people that
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  Speaker 7: usually use shared workspaces. But, yeah, it certainly has been
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  Speaker 7: an interesting experience interesting option for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting option, but not everyone is impressed.
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  Speaker 3: Chamber of Commerce Acting Chief Executive Amelia Bitsis told journalists,
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  Speaker 3: nice try, Cricket Victoria. People's passion for cricket is such
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  Speaker 3: that it deserves their full attention, so does work. Our
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  Speaker 3: advice is take the day off.
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  Speaker 2: Personally, I think it's a great idea.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like much ever happens at the cricket that's
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  Speaker 3: going to distract you, although I don't think you'd get
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  Speaker 3: much work done at the cricket if you were watching
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  Speaker 3: Indian teams play.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Joe? Work from home, work from
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  Speaker 2: the cricket. What's the difference?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here
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  Speaker 4: because I sensed a tiny bit of sarcasm in your
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  Speaker 4: endorsement of this proposal. I am going to say yes,
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  Speaker 4: all in.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're not.
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  Speaker 4: What is the problem with it? You go to the office,
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  Speaker 4: but even when all of us were working from the office, right,
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  Speaker 4: when the cricket was on, you'd have it on, you'd
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  Speaker 4: have it in the background somewhere, you know, if it
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  Speaker 4: was a big game or even if it was just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whatever test happened to be sort of, rolling
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  Speaker 4: on that summer. You're there. You're at the office. It's
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful blue sky day. You've got the cricket on.
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  Speaker 4: You're doing a bit of work. You know, it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: You're hitting all your KPIs. They're hitting all their sixes.
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  Speaker 4: Why not just do it the other way around where
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  Speaker 4: you're at the actual cricket and it's just like having
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  Speaker 4: a bigger TV screen? Checkmate, Australia. That's all we have
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  Speaker 4: time for for the late debate. We'll see you next week.
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  Speaker 3: I know I was a little sarcastic in the intro,
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  Speaker 3: but I actually agree with you.
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  Speaker 8: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's probably more distractions at home than at
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  Speaker 3: the cricket, to be honest.
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  Speaker 5: Are you both OK? Seriously? You are advocating for this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?
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  Speaker 4: It's less distracting than kids, I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 5: OK, all right. Can we just strip all of this back, right?
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  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, what does your employer...
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  Speaker 5: Contracted you to do?
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  Speaker 2: Work from home.
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  Speaker 5: It's to work for them. Let's take the environment out
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  Speaker 5: of it. What is it to do? It's to work
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  Speaker 5: for them?
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  Speaker 2: In Victoria, it's my human right.
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  Speaker 3: To work at least a couple of days from home,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel most at home at the cricket.
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  Speaker 6: OK, so if you are an employer and you are
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  Speaker 6: watching some of this Shield domestic cricket take place, where
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  Speaker 6: Fine Cricket Australia, it is your problem, actually, that the
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  Speaker 6: domestic attendances are low, and that's a challenge that you
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  Speaker 6: have to overcome... But if you're an employer and you're
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  Speaker 6: watching this unfold and you can see your employees sitting
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  Speaker 6: there when they should be working, enjoying the sunshine, maybe
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  Speaker 6: cracking open a secret beer and enjoying the game, how
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  Speaker 6: are you going.
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  Speaker 5: To feel quite truthfully?
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  Speaker 4: I think if you're a professional and you're an employer, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: so you're someone who.
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  Speaker 5: What's professional about working from the cricket?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the facilities that she described sounded better than my
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  Speaker 4: home office. I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 3: And the networking opportunities. You're there with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other workers who are also.
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  Speaker 4: Rub shoulders with, you know, fellow lazy Victorians.
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  Speaker 2: It's got productivity written all over it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, productivity in a state that's got the fastest-growing debt
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  Speaker 6: in the country, tipped to hit $ 200 billion net debt
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  Speaker 6: by the end of the decade.
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  Speaker 5: Their actual interest bill alone is over $ 8 billion.
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  Speaker 6: And will be by the end of 28, 29.
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  Speaker 5: You've got issues with productivity. Your unemployment is high. This
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  Speaker 5: is why Victoria are in the state that they're in.
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  Speaker 6: If you've got the kind of mentality where you think,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to go and work from the cricket.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is just insane.
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  Speaker 3: The stats you quote, I mean, they're devastating statistics. But,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you illustrate our point, which is how much
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  Speaker 3: worse can you make.
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  Speaker 5: It by working at the cricket?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's just keep driving this ship to hell.
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  Speaker 4: You know how we could really improve productivity is to
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  Speaker 4: hook up the renewable energy network to Lucy's outrage at
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  Speaker 4: both of us.
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  Speaker 2: The Derry Tissot Ball. That would power all of Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: It does raise the contradiction or the irony with the
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  Speaker 3: whole working from home thing, right? Because everyone knows when
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  Speaker 3: you're working from home, you're not completely working. You're distracted
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  Speaker 3: by a million other things. Therefore, if you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be distracted at home, why not be distracted at the cricket?
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  Speaker 3: In fact, if the kids are at home, you've probably
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  Speaker 3: got less distraction at the cricket.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that it's total nonsense, all of this.
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe that the two of you are sitting
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  Speaker 6: on the couch here advocating for this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm quite shocked.
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  Speaker 4: In our defence, it is mainly just to make you angry.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, is that right? Now you're starting to sound like
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  Speaker 5: a husband.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's got to.
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  Speaker 4: Have something to work towards. We're outcomes-oriented. We're goal-oriented workers.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to try and rage-bait me. And I'm the
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  Speaker 5: easiest person to rage-bait, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: What about this 63-year-old woman who is saying that she's
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  Speaker 4: not going to come into the office because, well, she's 63...
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  Speaker 4: And it's too tiring having to commute. What if I
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  Speaker 4: backed her in as well, Lucy?
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  Speaker 5: I'd be equally just as outraged.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, what point have we gotten to in this
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  Speaker 6: country where we're literally advocating for more people to just
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  Speaker 6: pull up stumps at the cricket and do their work
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  Speaker 6: from there with their laptop, have a couple of tinnies
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  Speaker 6: while you're at it?
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  Speaker 5: Even the work-from-home policies.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, look, we all saw what happened to Peter
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  Speaker 6: Dutton when that outrage ensued during the lead-up to the
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  Speaker 6: federal election last year. I was completely with him 100%.
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  Speaker 5: But in this current age of.
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  Speaker 4: Forcing public servants to go.
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  Speaker 6: Go back to work. I mean, for goodness sake. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: what happened where our mentality is?
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  Speaker 5: And look at now. So the advent of AI, right,
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  Speaker 5: where we are.
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  Speaker 6: In terms of our position in the world.
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  Speaker 5: Look at China. They're working their guts out.
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump is trying to reinforce that mentality of manufacturing
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  Speaker 6: things and restoring that national pride, going to work, developing things,
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  Speaker 6: inventing things. And we're sitting here talking about... Going to
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  Speaker 6: work from the cricket. I mean, that's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 5: Our productivity is tanking.
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  Speaker 6: We need to start taking our situation more seriously. And
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  Speaker 6: this 63 year old, I'm too tired to.
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  Speaker 2: Go to work.
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  Speaker 4: Well, this is what the Fair Work Commission has had
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  Speaker 4: to say. It says older employees are entitled. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if someone called you old at 63, you used to
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  Speaker 4: get offended. You say, I'm not old, not even retired.
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  Speaker 5: Are you old at 63? Yes or no?
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, I feel old at 50. I'll
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  Speaker 4: tell you that for free. Older employees are entitled to
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  Speaker 4: work from home to avoid the fatigue of commuting to
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  Speaker 4: the office. The workplace umpire has ruled a decision that
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  Speaker 4: could open the door for remote working appeals. The Fair
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  Speaker 4: Work Commission this week ordered Victoria University to conduct a
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  Speaker 4: six-month trial. Oh, my God. So it has to be
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  Speaker 4: a trial. They can't even just say yes or no.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, we're going to have a trial. Then we'll see
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  Speaker 8: what the trial says. And then we'll have a progress
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  Speaker 8: report into the trial. And then we'll have a second
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  Speaker 8: trial to make sure the first trial wasn't an anomaly.
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  Speaker 8: Then we'll have an interim report on the second trial.
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  Speaker 8: And then... We'll have six months off to complete the
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  Speaker 8: final report, at which point there will then be a
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  Speaker 8: period of review and then we'll open for consultations.
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  Speaker 5: And then there'll be a Royal Commission over the failures.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God in heaven.
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  Speaker 3: That was spoken like a true Labor Secretary joke.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly you've done that spiel before.
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  Speaker 4: The Fair Work Commission this week ordered Victoria University to
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  Speaker 4: conduct a six-month trial for its 63-year-old student advisor.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so I don't understand your hypocrisy here. You're mocking this,
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  Speaker 2: but you're happy to work from the cricket. What? But
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  Speaker 2: you won't allow this old lady to work from home.
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  Speaker 4: Firstly, what are you doing with having a 63-year-old student
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  Speaker 4: advisor who won't even come onto the campus to meet
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  Speaker 4: the students?
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  Speaker 5: How's she supposed to advise the students?
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. So you'd be happy for her to work
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  Speaker 2: at the cricket but not at home.
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  Speaker 4: Once a week.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 4: After all, commuting was physically tiring for older workers. And
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  Speaker 4: guess what? Medical evidence was not necessary to prove this. So, everybody,
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  Speaker 4: the evidence... is not in, but nonetheless, we're accepting it
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  Speaker 4: as fact. So it's just like, if only they'd treat
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  Speaker 4: other you know, important issues on that sort of scientific basis.
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  Speaker 4: On to far more important issues, though, you two. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know about you, but this to me is the
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  Speaker 4: ultimate question, the ultimate, you know, you and I as
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  Speaker 4: men of faith, James, we often contemplate, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: big questions that power the great cosmic energy of the universe,
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  Speaker 4: and I think this is the biggest, and that is
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  Speaker 4: would you give up a seat in business class to
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  Speaker 4: save your marriage? Because this is what actually happened. A
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  Speaker 4: woman has dumped her boyfriend. This is real life. This
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  Speaker 4: is life imitating Seinfeld. A woman has dumped her boyfriend
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  Speaker 4: after he accepted a business class seat on a flight...
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  Speaker 4: and left her alone in economy. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you've ever used a boarding pass to write a
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  Speaker 4: suicide note, but this is exactly what this guy did.
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  Speaker 4: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 9: This was the beginning of the end. We were flying
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  Speaker 9: to go see his family. I do not have any
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  Speaker 9: status on any airplanes. He had a lot of status
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  Speaker 9: on airlines because he traveled a lot for work. We
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  Speaker 9: were boarding the flight and he had gotten upgraded. to
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  Speaker 9: first class it wasn't like a laid-down bed it was
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  Speaker 9: just like business class he got upgraded to business class
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  Speaker 9: I was thinking he was gonna say to me like
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  Speaker 9: oh let's switch tickets he doesn't switch with me I
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  Speaker 9: go to economy which is where I'm used to it's
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  Speaker 9: fine but whatever and he's in the first class he.
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  Speaker 1: Gets like a beer he's makes friends with the person
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  Speaker 1: next to him and like keeps looking back at me
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  Speaker 1: like waving which listen that's totally fine not my husband
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  Speaker 1: not my husband's.
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  Speaker 4: Again, that is literally waving from the back of the
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  Speaker 4: prison van. I just don't know how anyone with the
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  Speaker 4: will to live would have done that and thought it
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  Speaker 4: was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Or is it?
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  Speaker 4: Am I completely out of touch? I mean, we're all
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  Speaker 4: meant to be equals now, aren't we? So why shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: the guy who got the business class ticket to meritocracy?
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  Speaker 2: He had earned those.
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  Speaker 4: He had earned those points.
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  Speaker 3: With all his flying for work. My only thing with this, Lucy,
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  Speaker 3: I know you're looking at me horrified. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he should have taken the seat. But I disagree with
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  Speaker 3: her because she believes he should have given it to her.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Shouldn't they both decline the upgrade, give it to the
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  Speaker 3: 63-year-old lady who can't get into work because she's too fatigued,
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  Speaker 3: let her sit in business and they both stay together
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  Speaker 3: in economy because they want to be together?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. So I agree with her.
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  Speaker 6: That's not husband material because if a man can leave
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  Speaker 6: you at the sign of an upgrade, he'll leave you
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  Speaker 6: for anything, girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: He was waving and stuff. He was keeping some sort
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  Speaker 2: of contact. Stop it.
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  Speaker 6: No, I disagree with her that he should have given
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  Speaker 6: it up for her.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I don't agree with that because I'm one of those
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  Speaker 6: rare people who actually really is.
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  Speaker 5: In love with her husband. I actually really like his company.
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  Speaker 6: So if that situation was presented to me, I'm not
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  Speaker 6: taking that on the proviso that if my husband can't
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  Speaker 6: benefit as well, then.
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  Speaker 5: Neither of us benefit.
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  Speaker 6: I want to sit next to you in that flight
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  Speaker 6: and have the conversation and be with one another.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be separated.
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  Speaker 6: So if we're both not, like the rising tide raises
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  Speaker 6: all boats, if we're not both being given that chance,
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  Speaker 6: then I don't want to be a.
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  Speaker 5: Part of it either.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask a question? Go.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so he's offered the upgrade. He takes it. She
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  Speaker 3: says we're done. Imagine he's offered the upgrade. He says, hey,
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  Speaker 3: why don't you take this?
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  Speaker 2: She does. Can he then say, we're done?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, of course he can.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's complicated.
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  Speaker 5: Is that complicated?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that is exactly what happened to me when this
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  Speaker 4: exact same thing happened to me. My girlfriend, Time, we
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  Speaker 4: were both flying together. I was in Melbourne, she was
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  Speaker 4: in Sydney. So it was, you know, always flying back
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  Speaker 4: and forth. And we.
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  Speaker 4: The plane was overbooked or whatever and so there was
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  Speaker 4: a business class seat and I said, there you go, darling,
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  Speaker 4: you take that.
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  Speaker 5: Very chivalrous.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we broke up anyway.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not because of the seat situation.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was probably the one thing I got right.
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  Speaker 4: There was probably a lot of other things I.
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  Speaker 2: But were you disappointed she took it?
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  Speaker 5: That answers that.
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  Speaker 6: But can I ask, why are you saying that makes
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  Speaker 6: it complicated? Can I ask, why are you saying that
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  Speaker 6: makes it more complicated?
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  Speaker 2: Because then you're doing little tests on each other, right?
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  Speaker 6: No, but the way I see it is selfishness, because
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  Speaker 6: this feels a little bit selfish to me. The way
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  Speaker 6: I see it, selfishness is not restricted by gender. So
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  Speaker 6: if the woman decides to take it, it's thinking that.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I'm saying if I offer it to you...
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  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking if you accept this offer, we're done.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's fair because now you're testing the
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  Speaker 3: other person.
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  Speaker 5: Well, isn't that what relationships are?
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  Speaker 6: All about testing each other until you find the right
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  Speaker 6: one where you don't feel like you then have to
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  Speaker 6: test that person?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, until you just give up on the testing and.
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  Speaker 5: It's called marriage. But do you know what I found interesting?
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  Speaker 6: There were two things that were noted in that particular
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  Speaker 6: article before we move on. The psychiatrist said the more
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  Speaker 6: concerning thing and element about all of this is The
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: fact that this woman has taken to social media to
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: air out her grievances, her relationship grievances in seeking out
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: a husband, like it seems to be the trend now
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: whenever some type of drama happens in one's life, especially
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: relationship drama, you take to social media to air it out.
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: The second point was too, there was a 2018 study
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: that showed that, how about this, that heterosexual women prefer
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: male partners who exhibit, quote, benevolent sexism, which is an affectionate,
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: patronising attitude that treats women as needing men's help protection
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: and provision.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: That's my kind of sexism. That is the sort of
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: sexism where I feel right at home. But if the
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: guy was in any way confused, he might have actually
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: bothered to check when this was actually played out in
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: what is even more real than real life, which is
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: an episode of Seinfeld.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: I have one seat in first class and one in coach.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: The price is the same because your flight was cancelled.
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll take the first class.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Why should you get the first class?
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Elaine, have you ever flown first class?
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: No. All right, then.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: See, you won't know what you're missing. I've flown first class, Elaine.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: I can't go back to coach. I can't.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Let's move here, coach.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point.
• 16:16
  Speaker 9: All right, fine.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: I don't care. The plane crashes. Everybody in first class
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: is going to die anyway.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you'll live.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: There you have it. I can't go back to coach.
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: I can't.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, and, you know, spoiler alert, Gerry and Elaine
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: no longer together.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Well, there you go.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was because of the first-class ticket
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: situation for devout.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it was a factor in them not getting
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: back together.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: Devout Seinfeld viewers will dispute that, but that's a conversation
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: for later, Joseph.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Let's move on, please.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: This is a bit of a grim subject, and it
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: was a reality that we are now forced to confront
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: if you are a Sydneysider. But the question that's being
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: posed is, should we be, in fact, getting used to
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: the idea that post-Bondi, we should expect to see now
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: police officers carrying long arms at particular events, mass gatherings,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: at sporting events, particular religious occasions, because that's precisely what
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: we're being forced to consider now. Premier Chris Minns announced
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: on Thursday that the Armed Response Command... A new emergency
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: threat response police force will be out.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: In the community over the coming weeks as training unfolds.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: Sydney residents can expect to see the ARC officers who
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: are weaponised with rifles and special made vehicles in public areas.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: The ARC will be a quote high visibility intelligence led
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: end quote unit built to rapidly respond to threats, patrol
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: high risk areas and provide police presence at places of
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: worship and major events. The next training for the 250
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: officers expected to make up the unit will be the
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: public training phase with armed officers on the streets. And
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: Mr Minns was quoted as saying the security challenges facing
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: our state have changed and our policing model needs to
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: change with them. Police will start seeing their people pardon
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: me will start seeing these officers and their vehicles around
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: Sydney as training gets underway. This is about being prepared
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: for the worst and making sure we can keep the
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: community safe end quote. I had a conversation with Peter
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: Credlin about this earlier. And I made the point, James,
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: is this the price that we have to pay for multiculturalism?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Why should we pay this price? That's my point. I mean,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Chris Min says the security challenges facing our state have changed,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: so our policing needs to change.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: OK, I accept that. But why is the policing.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Changing and not our immigration policy, our standards by which
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: we determine who comes into this country, who stays in
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: this country?
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Hasn't the horse already bolted on that, though?
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's bolted to the point where we
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: can't get it back. But if we don't make some
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: changes fairly quickly, and I think the public sense this,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: which is why people are willing to gamble on One Nation.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And I think One Nation is a gamble, to be fair.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: But people are willing to roll the dice on One
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Nation because I honestly think people are at a point
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: where they believe if we don't do something now to
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: change things, we will end up like the UK or
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: France or or other European nations. And I mean, I
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: remember talking to my kids and explaining to them, you know, bollards.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, my kids have never known a time where
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: there were not bollards everywhere that a vehicle could possibly
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: escape the road onto a pedestrian area. I remember talking
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to my kids about the fact that we didn't always
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: have to get every part of our body scanned before
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: and forget getting on an aeroplane, just getting into a
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: sporting event these days.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: You've got to be wandered.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, when I was a kid, you never had
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: your bag searched. You never had security guards checking you
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: for weapons when you went to the MCG to watch
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: a game of football. And our country has changed. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I think we've all got a bit of a suspicion
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: as to why it's changed. So I'm glad that politicians
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: are changing the policing. But that seems to me like
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff rather
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: than a fence at the top and saying, well, why
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: has it changed? Let's address the things that have caused
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the change and get back to the country that we
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: all loved so much 20, 30 years ago.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: But can I just say, I agree with you, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: can I just say it's not multiculturalism, though? It's extremist Islamism.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, agreed.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: That's the real problem. And so I think to talk
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: about multiculturalism as though it's sort of all cultures that
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: is the problem or the lack of a monoculture, as
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson raised, I think that just... completely misses the
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: point and, in fact, is so ridiculously vague as to
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: be completely and utterly hopeless in addressing the problem.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: What's vague? The term monoculturalism, is that vague to you?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: So blaming multiculturalism, which is the opposite of monoculturalism, for
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: terrorism or.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Terror threats is ridiculous.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Can I say, though, it's the left's fault that people
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: speak ill of multiculturalism because the left have banned us
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: from being specific about about certain issues, and therefore people
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: speak in generalities because we're not allowed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: To speak specifically. That is exactly the point I have
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: made in the past as well. Because people are so, frankly,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: pathetic and euphemistic in their language and being scared to
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: actually name what the real threat is, they end up
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: just sort of dispersing this kind of scar, this stain
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: on everybody... And so Pauline Hanson says, well, I don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: want to sound racist, so I'll just say it's all racist,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you know, except the Australian one apparently. So I think
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: this does a real disservice to everyone except for those
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Islamist extremists because they're all getting tarred with that brush, including,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: for example, you know, the Indian community, which again is
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: one of these things that comes up again and again
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: and again. It came up ahead of the March for
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Australia rally as well. They're not a terror threat to us.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just ridiculous. And also in terms of the, although, well,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: there was one of the, there was an extremist Islamist
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: element in India that may have been responsible for the
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: alleged Bondi shooting. But what I'm talking about, you know, Sikhs,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Hindus have nothing to do with extremist Islam. The other
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: thing is, of course, that Islam, You know, it's not
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: necessarily people who've just got off the boat either. I mean,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the case of Bondi, which we have to say because
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: one killer is still alive and going through the legal
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: process is an alleged massacre. You know, those people had
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: been in Australia for a long, long time. And one
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: of them was in fact, the son was in fact
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: born here.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So that was an enormous.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: National security failure.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: That's right. But it's not people just off the off
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: the boat.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Even if even if every single migrant over the past
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: 10 years had been screened and every single terrorist eliminated
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: by some magical AI computer program, those two alleged terrorists
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: would still be here.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: There's three issues.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: There's who gets to come here. There's who gets to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: stay here. And there's how do we stop people from
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: being radicalised here? And those are the three things that
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the government desperately needs to address rather than simply saying, well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: we just need more officers walking around with rifles.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Well, that seems to be the solution as it stands now.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: That seems to be now the medicine for this, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: deeply rooted poison. And we've seen time and time again
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Mike Burgess of ASIO issue repeated warnings about the terror
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: threat levels in this country, which have also, by the way,
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: been repeatedly ignored, which also seems to be an issue.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: We've seen a failure despite all of the chess beating
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: from this Albanese government talking about how he's not going
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: to politicise national security and how they will invest in
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: national security, how it's actually been quite the opposite. We've
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: seen situations now where we've had counter-terrorism efforts slashed in
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: the lead-up to the Bondi massacre. We're now stuck with satellites, right,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: because the Albanese government slashed that $ 7 billion project for
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: these particular satellites to be upgraded. We're now stuck with
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: outdated satellites. He doesn't want to actually get to the
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: point where we're spending 3.5% of GDP on defence. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: he's also fudging the numbers using the NATO accounting method
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: by including veteran affairs payments and housing and superannuation.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: This is a problem.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: So to your point about, well, you know, we need
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: to get back to being the country that we were,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know how we get back there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: How do we get back there, James?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: You deport a whole lot of people and you crack
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: down on who you're allowing into the country.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: OK, so tell me now which government is going to
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: be prepared to do that. Pauline Hanson is saying that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Labor won't. We don't believe the Liberals will.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: We're going to trust one nation that they mean what
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: they say.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: That's what people are saying today.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: When I talk to people at cafes and coffee shops,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that's this sentiment that is expressed over and over again.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: But we're talking about scrapping, you know, the people jumping
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: on bridging visas and all the rest of it. Are
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: you going to end up in a situation now where
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: if you are identifying that someone is on an ASIO
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: watch list or, you know, these people that are in
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: these you know, programs to de-radicalise them, right? Over 200
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: of them, which I think is embarrassing. Why are we
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: babysitting future terrorists?
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: It's a joke.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: But are we going to end up in a situation where,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: from a legal perspective, we are going to be able
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: to say, right, you're out of the country?
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, without human rights lawyers.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: And court appeals and decisions constantly dragging us through this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: There's all sorts of things you could do in terms
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: of if someone has dual citizenship, you can cancel their
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Australian citizenship and force them to return to the other
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: country of citizenship they hold if they fail a security... test,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you can also do things like, you know, possibly identifying
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: sort of high risk zones and saying, OK, we're not
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: going to take people, we're going to pause taking people
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: from this area until things have calmed down or whatever, whatever.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: That wouldn't actually, though, reduce the overall migrant intake by
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: that much, because the vast majority, as I said, are
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: coming from places like India or China. And so which
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: is not the traditional sort of terror, Islamist terror profile,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: if you like. And so so that wouldn't actually So, again,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: just like there are two separate things, I guess, is
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say, is that talking about multiculturalism
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: is terrible, we've got to cut all immigration. That's fine, whatever,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: if that's what you believe. I don't quite, but anyway.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: But also reducing that– if you're talking about reducing that
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: terrorist threat, just saying, oh, we're just going to cut
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: all immigration and that's going to reduce that terrorist threat. Well, no,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: it's not, unless you are specifically– Our.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Immigration program needs to be, instead of saying discriminatory– which
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: you're not allowed to say, it needs to be targeted.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Discriminating.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And I think most people would support a targeted immigration system.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Remember when John Howard said in 2001 at that speech,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: we will decide who comes to this country and the
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: circumstances in.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Which they come.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I want to move on to Victoria because this sort
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: of is on a theme. Not talking about terrorism at all,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: but there's obviously a crime problem in Victoria. There's very
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: much a youth crime problem in And the Herald Sun
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: published a study just a couple of days ago that
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: had found Sudanese youth were 95 times more likely to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: be in custody than non-Sudanese youth.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: This is in Melbourne.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: The article said that the Sudanese young people made up 0.5%
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: of the youth population, but comprised 22% of all young
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: people in custody. Now, this is not to say that
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: all Sudanese people, far from it. are a problem in Melbourne.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It's just to say there is certainly a problem with
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: some of the Sudanese youth in Melbourne. Now, I alert
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you to that story in the Herald Sun a few
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: days ago because I don't know, but I suspect that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: may have been what prompted this woman to confront Victorian
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Premier Ben Carroll at a cafe in Port Melbourne today.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: What are you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Going to do about all these Sudanese? Are you going
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: to straighten them all up or what?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Are you going to deport them?
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: You deport Kiwis?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: You're not going to do anything?
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: You're not going to make us safer in Melbourne?
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Got nothing to say, hey?
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: Hopefully they go to your house one day and then
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: maybe you'll change your mind.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Now, she's making some generalities about the Sudanese community, which,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: as I've explained, are not the case. There is a
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: problem with a small number of Sudanese youth in Melbourne,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: but generally not all Sudanese.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: However, I.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by Ben Carroll's response there because I think
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: it sends a message that confirms what everybody thinks. Politicians
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: make decisions about the composition of the Australian population. And
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: then when Joe Punter says, hey, we're not happy with this.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: We're not happy with the way you're changing the country.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: They just walk off.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: That would have been the perfect moment for Ben Carroll
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: to actually show that I am not just a politician
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: who literally works off the talking points that I've been given,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: but that I am an elected official that represents you
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: who is actually vying for your vote.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: That would have been the perfect moment for him to
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: go up to her.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: And say, I don't like actually that you're generalising that
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: it's all Sudanese, but I take your points.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: The statistics are there. You read them out. There is
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: an issue.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: And we're not being racist by admitting that, just as
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: we're not being racist about what's occurring in the territory
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: when we point to certain town camps and issues that
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: they are experiencing. These are our fellow Australians and we
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: need to extend grace, but also at the same time,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: a stunning rebuke if they are in a situation where
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: they are behind some of the most gruesome crimes that
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: we're seeing. The fact of the matter is that in Sudan,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: this is a country that's been gripped by civil war
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: for a number of years, where beheadings, knife attacks, machete crime, rapes,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: the brutal murder of people.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Is quite commonplace.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: So, when we talk about a discriminatory immigration policy, these
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: are the things that we need to consider. Is it
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: right for us to tarnish everyone with the same brush? No,
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: there would be people who genuinely want to leave there
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: for the sanctuary of this country. But do you just
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: roll the dice and say, well, we hope it's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: this one. Let's hope it's not that one. How do
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: you get to the bottom of that? How do you
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: determine who is safe and who is not?
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, again, it kind of goes to what we were
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: talking about before, where if you've got people from this
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: incredibly traumatised war zone where there have been atrocities committed,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: on a daily basis that children will have seen, that
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: children may have even, that people may have even participated
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: in or been victims of. And so it's, you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and then you say, well, is this a humanitarian crisis
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and we have to take these people? Or is this
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: too risky a cohort? I think the problem with Ben
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Carroll's response, and he was obviously just sort of stunned
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and someone screaming at you and filming you is, you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: pretty confronting. And, you know, I think most normal people
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: would probably just walk away as well. But the big
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: mistake with politicians, the first mistake is to not acknowledge
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: what people are... They tell this with parents and their
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: children as well, incidentally, is that the best way to
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: get your kid to calm down if he's upset about
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: anything is not just to say, don't worry about it,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: it's nothing, forget it. It's to acknowledge that you have
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: heard what they have to say, that you understand their
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: problem and that they are being listened to. It sounds
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: a bit touchy-feely, but it's true. So, What he could
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: have said to this woman, obviously, is, look, I understand
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: you're concerned about crime. I understand you feel like the
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: government's not doing enough about it. Rest assured, we are
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: going to pull out all stops until we have prevented
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: all these crimes and driven them down, giving police more power,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: and so we are going to tackle crime no matter
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: who is committed by it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: See, Ben, how hard was that?
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: But, you know, again, in the moment, would I have
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: thought of that? I don't know.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: No, but, Joe, I don't like that there's this sentiment
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that they're above crime.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Those types of situations, like, oh, here's this screeching woman
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: that's ranting at me with her camera out.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, welcome to 2026.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: That's how most people operate. But there is that sentiment of, oh, yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to ignore you. You're a crazy person.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I think it was more of a brain freeze.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I think it was like, oh, my God, this woman.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Let me flip onto Ben Carroll's side. God help me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Did I just say that? Try your luck. Very quickly.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I do think people are very wary when someone's got
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: a camera up because you've got to make a decision
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in a split second. is this a genuine inquiry or
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: is this somebody who's going to set me up here,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: clip up the video, make it full of me?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: They're politicians.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: They've got phone cameras on them 24-7 now.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And this isn't... She's a voter. Whether you like that
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: or not, that's a voter.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Again, if he says, I completely understand, I completely understand,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: you're right, and then it's Ben Carroll says all Sudanese
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: are criminals.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: No, it doesn't, because in that clip, like you just said,
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: you tack on the point, I don't like the generalisation.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: We've got to move on very quickly. Quick question.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Could he have legitimately said to her, I'm happy to
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: have a conversation with you, I don't want to be recorded,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: so put the phone down, I'll talk?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Or would we criticise him for that?
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Or normally what you would do is another thing, you say, look,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I'd love to talk to you more about this, speak
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to my staff member here, they'll get your details and
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: we'll come and.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Have a talk in my office.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Come down to my office and show the human side. Just.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: And now going to... Something a little bit lighter.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Lighten it up for us.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to lighten it up by taking you to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: a cemetery.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You are too. Great segue.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: There is a new Instagram viral movement that involves visitors
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: basically crowd bombing, flash mobbing, I don't know what you
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: call it, the flowers in cemeteries. which, as you may
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: be unsurprised to learn, James, is causing a little bit
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: of distress for grieving families.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: This is the Eltham Cemetery in Melbourne, where the wisteria flowers,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: which only bloom for two or three weeks a year,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: but they're quite beautiful.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You can see the images there.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: The problem is that dozens and dozens of people, including influencers,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: are turning up at the cemetery to take photographs.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Now, there's nothing wrong with that, except.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Their behaviour is pretty reprehensible, walking on graves, asking people
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: who are there grieving over their dead loved ones, would
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you mind taking a photo of us in front of
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the flowers? And people have just had enough. So they've
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: now had to put up signs, Lucy, asking people, hey,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: if you are here, to take photographs of the flowers,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: that's fine. And I actually think it's good that people
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: are living life in a cemetery.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: What?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you want cemeteries not to be doom
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and gloom. You want people to be happy, but people
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: should also be.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Who's happy going to a cemetery?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't need to be sad going to a cemetery.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: You can be celebrating the life of someone.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I think it's a very solemn and respectful
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: place where you go to mourn the death of a
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: loved one. I mean, I don't see people going there gleefully,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: going la-di-da-di-da with a wicker basket and a picnic blanket.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Not going la-di-da-di-da, but they could still be enjoying the
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: nature and the beauty of the surroundings.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Let's see how much they're enjoying it, because I do
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: not believe this is possibly a thing, but I'm assured
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: we have actual footage of it. So let's check it out.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: What on earth is going on there?
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: What a beautiful cemetery, by the way.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: It looks like a cheesecloth version of The Handmaid's Tale.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: That was beautiful, but it is not the place for
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: you to go and take photographs of yourself and create.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Content for social media. Shame on you. Let's bring back shame.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Make that popular again.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, shame is very popular. Don't worry about that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: Is it?
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all over the internet.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe if they're just a little more discreet. Just do
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it discreetly.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: No, don't go there and take photos. How disrespectful.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: If an influencer wants to get into a cemetery, I
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: say they have to get there the way the rest
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: of us do.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: All right. On that note, we have got to go
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to a break. Stick around. When we come back, you'll
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: get your first look at tomorrow's headlines. You'll hear them
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: all here first. That's after this. All right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's headlines. You get them all here first. And we'll
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: start with the front page of the Herald Sun. Bachelor bombshell.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I feared he'd kill me, reads the headline. Former Bachelor
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: star and celebrity fitness trainer Sam Wood's wife, Snezana, feared
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: she was going to die when he allegedly choked her
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: until she couldn't breathe and banged her head into the
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: floor at their luxury Noosa penthouse. The shocking accusations against Wood,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: aged 46, came as he was denied bail over the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: alleged attack on Snezana on the weekend. The bail hearing
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: was also told of an earlier similar incident in the.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Couple's hometown, of Melbourne.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: So that is all over the front page of tomorrow's
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Herald Sun, as is the story that North Melbourne are
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: likely to land Swans player Nick Blakey for $ 12 million.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Gee, I hope that comes off.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: It's a big one.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: You know, my son asked me, he's gone to AFL,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: and he says, Dad, you know, I'm into AFL. What
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: team do we go for? I said, we go for
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Essendon Sun. And he goes, great. And then he went off,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: came back the next day and said, hey, Dad, can
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I go for two teams?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Smart kid, that boy of yours.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: He did some research.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And the second team is?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: It's the Bulldogs, actually, which I approve of. I endorse
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: the Bulldogs. They have my official working class seal of approval.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: You've got Zach Butter's seal of approval too.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of talk.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: A lot of talk.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Righto, let's look at the front page of the advertiser.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: This one's a big story that's actually already been covered
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: here on The Late Debate in previous weeks, where serial
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: killers roam free.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: This one via Sean Fuster.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: South Australia now has the shameful title of being the
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: only jurisdiction in the world to have released a serial killer,
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: James Vlasakis, into the community, and yesterday he took his
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: first steps out from behind bars as part of his
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: reintegration back into the community. If you're not familiar with
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: the story, you can see the full report on page four,
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: but he was the Snowtown serial killer. It was a
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: very big story back in the day when that one
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: all occurred, the bodies in the barrel story. It's pretty
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: full-on to have to confront the fact that we do
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: have a serial killer now roaming the streets.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just... Imagine living... Imagine living next door to
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: that guy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Can I borrow a cup of flour?
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: You'd keep the music down, wouldn't you? Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: I think that is the bare minimum.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: But you know what I mean? I honestly can't think
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: of any. We've got to build something to just put
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: them all. I mean, I know that's called a prison
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: and they get out. Maybe they should just never get out.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Very scary. Anyway, over to something slightly.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Is it less scary? It's only the economic crisis. Not happy, Jim,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: says the Daily Telegraph. Businesses are furious. His party colleagues
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: have had enough, but Chalmers digs in over ATO furor.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: So this is, of course, the decision by the Australian
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Tax Office to stop or ban, if you like, in
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: the practice of businesses or anybody being able to pay
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: their tax bill by credit card. Now, for most private individuals,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: of course, that would probably be a pretty foolhardy thing
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: to do if you're putting everything you owe the government
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: on the plastic fantastic. But of course, for many businesses
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: where cash flow can be a problem, they use the
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: credit card to cover themselves when they don't have enough liquidity.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And Dare say they've made their views very, very clear,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: as have a number of Labor MPs. But Jim is
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: digging in. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is digging in, see, told
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: you so, over the tax officer's controversial credit card ban
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: defying a furious small business backlash as the decision also
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: sparked a revolt in Labor's ranks. The Treasurer is refusing
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: to budge despite warnings his failure to act could push
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: already struggling.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Businesses to the brink.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: This is the thing. This is a perfect opportunity for
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: the government to say, this is ridiculous overreach by the
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: bureaucrats at the Australian Tax Office. We're going to swoop
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: in over the top, tell them they can't do it,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: tell them they've got to find a way, as Anne
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Arleigh did.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: They're blaming the ATO rather than the bad introduction in
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: the first place.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: But why own the problem yourself? This is what I
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: just don't understand. It's a perfect opportunity for the Treasurer
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: to look like he's the guy solving the problem instead
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: of creating the problem, and instead... Digs in.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: This is exactly what.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: We were talking about this last night, saying this is
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: a brilliant opportunity for the government to ride in and
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: actually save everybody.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Save everybody from themselves.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And they're not even going to do that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: That is Exhibit A in Politics 101.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a feature of this Labor government, though,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: that they will not admit fault, even to the point
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: of Elbow won't even admit he failed. fell on a stage,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: you won't even, they just will not admit ever about
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: anything that they get it wrong.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Because they have no faults, James.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: But is there a problem now starting to present itself
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: that you have ministers who are disagreeing?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: There's a crack in the caucus.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: That's right, exactly.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: And that's not very typical of this Labor Party who
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: are very disciplined when it comes to their messaging, Joe.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but this.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Is the thing.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: We've got Exhibit A of Politics 101. Jim Chalmers saying, no,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: there is no problem and I'm not going to do
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: anything about it. Exhibit B. Minns clings to Scope 3.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Climate change provisions that have seeped into the state's laws
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: and planning politics would be scrapped if one nation wins government.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: The pledge comes after Premier Chris Minns refused to introduce
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: new laws removing so-called Scope 3 emissions from New South
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Wales planning rules. Those provisions... caused the rejection of a
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: major future mine expansion in the Hunter. So, again, is
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Mins allowing One Nation a path to solve a problem
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: that he's not going to? Because I would have thought after,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: and I think this has to do with the court
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: decision yesterday that says that new projects have to take
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: into account environmental impacts, new coal mining projects, that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: A lot of people were saying, well, the state can
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: just overrule this with new legislation. Is Chris Minns going
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to do it or will the party? I'm sure he
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: wants to do it. The question is whether elements within
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: the party would allow him to.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Very interesting.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: On the front page of the Oz, plenty happening. Business
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: hits keep coming. Labor MPs in revolt over credit crunch.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: We just touched on that there, this exclusive via Sarah Allison.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Sarah Eisen, pardon me.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Anthony Albanese is facing a growing revolt among Labor MPs
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: on his credit card surcharge ban as local governments flag
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: ratepayers may be next in line to bear the brunt
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: of additional costs resulting from the policy. Warnings that councils
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: were already operating on stretched budgets and would need to
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: determine how to manage the credit card surcharge changes come
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: amid revelations schools, childcare centres and even the Australian Taxation
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Office will stop accepting credit cards for payments.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: To avoid extra fees.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: And you'll also see a story Teal's toxic sludge, Frydenberg
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: lays bare hate, hypocrisy of politics done differently. He is
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: launching his book and this damning revelation as well, still
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: very volatile for Jews' safety while elsewhere another exclusive DCP
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: dismissed risk to children. So plenty happening on the front
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: page of the Oz.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: And with that release of Frydenberg's.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Book, Joe, you will be at the launch.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I will be at the launch in Sydney next week. So, yes,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I've spoken to him about it, obviously. I speak to
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Josh from time to time. But it's bound to be,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: it hasn't come out yet officially, but it's bound to
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: be an absolute cracker. The interesting thing.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I think Sherry Markson is interviewing Josh on her program.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: On Monday about this book.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: They are super, super tight. Yeah, so he will be there.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: And she did ask him the question, you've long had
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: ambitions to be the Prime Minister and, of course, we
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: were left with a cliffhanger. So it will be very
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: interesting to see what Josh has to say about that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I've asked him that question as well.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Well, could you see him running again?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Of course, yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: But is it beyond just you can see him? Is
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: there actually something behind the scenes?
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: I think anyone who enters the parliament has dreams of
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: becoming Prime Minister if it's possible. And I have no
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: doubt that Josh has not let go of his. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: don't think it's something he's absolutely set on. But I think,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: you know, it might be something that he almost has
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: no say over because momentum becomes so strong. Maybe the
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Liberal Party needs him. Maybe it'll be Andrew Hastie instead.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Who knows? No, thank you.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: There you go. All right, we're going to go to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: a break when we come back.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Beachgoers at Fraser Island are buzzed by a light aircraft.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: We'll show you the vision after this.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I want to show you some incredible vision from Fraser
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Island at the weekend involving a light aircraft that appeared
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: to swoop down towards the ground and Everyone thought it
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: was going to crash when at the last second it
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: pulled up and.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Got back up into the sky again. Have a look
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: at this. That's not.
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: It comes down really low at the start, and I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: not sure if we heard in the vision there, but
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the people filming it, the wife, I assume it was
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: the wife, says, what on earth is that? We need
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: to get the kids off the beach. Everybody thought it
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: was going to crash. I think what happened was that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the aircraft was hijacked by a magpie.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Or maybe it was the wife flying.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Oh!
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: The feminists are going to come out with knives tomorrow
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: for you, Joseph.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: No, the wife wasn't flying.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: She was back in economy.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: That's going to light up social media.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: You sexist, you misogynist.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Now, I was absolutely stunned to learn this week that
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: we are not alone in the universe. In fact, there
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: is another planet in the solar system called Mars. Are
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: you familiar with this?
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Yes. Yes.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And what we do is we send tiny little robots
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: over there to wander around and have a look at
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the place and see if there's anything else there. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: they have just delivered the most amazing images from the
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: sun dawning on Mars. Isn't that pretty? I thought it
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: was red, though.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: Remember how I was blowing up about sending Catherine Benelpeg over.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: To the moon?
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Can't we just get her.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: On one of these little robot thingies, like attach her
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: to the back or something and just piggyback her off that?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: The robot is called Curiosity.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: It landed on Mars in 2012, so it's been there
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: 14 years.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: That's remarkable.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: They only thought it would do work.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It does reconnaissance and stuff. It's able to drill into rocks,
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  Speaker 3: analyse the powder, take photographs like the one you can
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  Speaker 3: see on your screen now. They only expected it to
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  Speaker 3: sort of work for a couple of years. It's been
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: going 14 years, still sending back images and analysis from Mars,
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  Speaker 3: so quite remarkable.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine if we'd sent the 63-year-old from Victoria. She'd say,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even going. No, you just go, tell me
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  Speaker 4: what Mars is like and then I'll tell my students.
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  Speaker 2: You know if we'd sent her, you know what we'd
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  Speaker 2: get back? Crickets.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Dad.
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  Speaker 2: See what I did there?
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  Speaker 4: Do you want a fun fact? You've obviously seen all
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: these incredible sort of craggy craters that the rover is
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: sending back. And by the way, you know, you imagine
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: it's like a tiny little thing, like a remote control car.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: It's the size of a Mini Cooper. It's the size
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: of a car, not a real car.
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  Speaker 2: And it's remote control operated, right?
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  Speaker 3: But Mars is about 200 million kilometres away. And so
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: to operate it remotely, but it takes several minutes for
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the instructions to get there. So it's quite complicated in
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: terms of manoeuvring it.
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  Speaker 6: And remarkable that that layer, actually, they call it the
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Yardang layer, is estimated to be about three billion years old.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other thing. This is one of my
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: other fun facts. The crags are called Yardangs, which a
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: lot of kids would have been on in their youth,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: but hopefully they've gone.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: You never quite.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: know where things are going to go with Joe G.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: But how about what goes into making the best burger?
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: 80 hopefuls across New South Wales have been cut down
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: to 15 in the race to find the best burger,
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  Speaker 6: ranging from the buffalo chicken burger to the Shorty's signature
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: beef burger. Or what about the full Monty? Maybe you're
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: into a double brisket burger. You can have that at
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: the Tormina Hotel. Or just a very easy how-you-go-on beef
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  Speaker 6: burger at the Junction Inn Hotel.
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  Speaker 5: Joe, you first. Quickly, what makes a great burger?
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  Speaker 4: It's got to be fat. It's got to be juicy.
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  Speaker 4: Cheese and bacon are compulsory. I throw on a bit
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: of fried onion just for some health food. And I
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: like my bun to be seeded. I don't know about
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: you guys. I also like a little bit... of, you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: a little bit of salt and pepper. I don't go
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: for sauce.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Joe, I'm going to stop you there because that description
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: is making me very hungry. So we're going to end
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: the show right now. We'll see you next week. Right now,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: here's the Rita Pennehy Show.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Good night.