Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 495: Foundations - Building a Late-Season Bowhunting Strategy
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
- 0:11Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to Hunt
- 0:15Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
- 0:18Speaker 1: Today's episode is all about the toughest time to arrow
- 0:21Speaker 1: a deer for most of us, which is, of course,
- 0:23Speaker 1: the late season. There's a lot of conventional, typical white
- 0:42Speaker 1: tail hunting advice that makes me throw up in my
- 0:44Speaker 1: mouth a little bit. Nothing causes that involuntary wretching quite
- 0:49Speaker 1: like someone who manages a big chunk of primo private
- 0:52Speaker 1: ground who says something like, we just have to hunt
- 0:55Speaker 1: the food sources for those rut depleted bucks. For most
- 0:59Speaker 1: of us, see in the late December buck. That's a
- 1:01Speaker 1: huge win, let alone seeing a mature buck out in
- 1:05Speaker 1: daylight with his nose to the ground in search of
- 1:07Speaker 1: some calories. When you deal with pressure deer that might
- 1:11Speaker 1: not happen in your entire life. Knowing that it's best
- 1:15Speaker 1: to develop a realistic plan based on low, low, low standards,
- 1:21Speaker 1: which is what I'm going to talk about right now.
- 1:37Speaker 1: It happens almost every time someone at one of my
- 1:41Speaker 1: deer hunting seminars will ask me how do you hunt
- 1:45Speaker 1: late season bucks? The question, while not actually that specific,
- 1:49Speaker 1: is really meant to get me to spill the beans
- 1:52Speaker 1: on how do I kill big late season bucks? Now,
- 1:55Speaker 1: I've disappointed a lot of people in my life, as
- 1:58Speaker 1: your listeners are probably pretty well aware of by now.
- 2:01Speaker 1: But nothing causes people to lose their faith in me
- 2:03Speaker 1: quicker than when I answer that question with I don't.
- 2:07Speaker 1: I don't really hunt late season bucks specifically, at least
- 2:10Speaker 1: I almost never do, and I never ever ever target
- 2:14Speaker 1: mature bucks in the late season. In fact, I'm not
- 2:17Speaker 1: sure that in my twenty eight seasons of bull hunting
- 2:19Speaker 1: white tails pretty hard, that I've ever seen a December
- 2:22Speaker 1: buck that would crack one thirty that wasn't eating corn
- 2:26Speaker 1: under a feeder in Texas. In my home state of Minnesota,
- 2:29Speaker 1: I can't recall ever seeing a big buck in December
- 2:32Speaker 1: while I was actually on stand. I've certainly never aarrowed
- 2:35Speaker 1: one here or across the river in Wisconsin, where I
- 2:37Speaker 1: spend the bulk of my late season time. In fact,
- 2:41Speaker 1: I think that for most of us this might represent
- 2:44Speaker 1: a challenge that is quite a bit harder than killing
- 2:47Speaker 1: a bull elk in and over the counter unit in Colorado,
- 2:50Speaker 1: which is saying something I know a lot of Western
- 2:53Speaker 1: hunters would probably scoff at that, but to be fair,
- 2:56Speaker 1: they probably don't know what the hell they're talking about either. Now,
- 3:00Speaker 1: I also know that some of the folks listening to
- 3:01Speaker 1: this are in the Deep South and really only getting
- 3:04Speaker 1: into the good part of their season now, so understand
- 3:07Speaker 1: that a lot of this advice in this podcast just
- 3:09Speaker 1: needs to be pushed back or maybe move forward a
- 3:11Speaker 1: little bit to fit into the world you live in.
- 3:14Speaker 1: But the same general rules kind of apply. I shall
- 3:17Speaker 1: also say this the late season food thing that every
- 3:20Speaker 1: TV show host or Instagram influencer is pushing right now,
- 3:25Speaker 1: that's a real strategy. If you have the spot, low pressure,
- 3:29Speaker 1: good food, and yep, you can sit out there in
- 3:32Speaker 1: the afternoon and shoot a deer, even a big buck.
- 3:35Speaker 1: But as I've said before, if you have that kind
- 3:37Speaker 1: of spot, you probably don't need to listen to some
- 3:39Speaker 1: dude like me giving hunting advice. Deer hunting is a
- 3:42Speaker 1: wildly variable pastime, and some folks have a great option
- 3:45Speaker 1: to sit on a food plot or a cut cornfield
- 3:47Speaker 1: and wait out the bucks that are down about twenty
- 3:50Speaker 1: of their body weight in the last five or six weeks.
- 3:53Speaker 1: Those hungry deer will come and life will be good
- 3:55Speaker 1: for them. For the hunters, I mean, not the deer.
- 3:58Speaker 1: For the rest of us, the first thing is to
- 4:01Speaker 1: really understand the challenge of arrowing a late season buck
- 4:05Speaker 1: on pressured ground after the general firearm season has blazed
- 4:10Speaker 1: on through. For starters, you're probably dealing with about eighty
- 4:14Speaker 1: percent of the deer you were just a few weeks ago.
- 4:17Speaker 1: And those deer that are left, they're not much into
- 4:20Speaker 1: making mistakes. They also understand that if they are going
- 4:24Speaker 1: to get shot at, it's most likely going to happen
- 4:27Speaker 1: during the hours when the sun is up. In some places,
- 4:29Speaker 1: unscrupulous losers don't abide by that, but we can't factor
- 4:33Speaker 1: them in, even if in some regions the deer probably
- 4:35Speaker 1: have to. For most of us, we are just hunting
- 4:39Speaker 1: deer that have been conditioned to be as cautious as possible. That,
- 4:44Speaker 1: coupled with the northern hemisphere tipping a little farther away
- 4:47Speaker 1: from the big nuclear generator in the sky every day,
- 4:50Speaker 1: means that the amount of light in the deer woods
- 4:52Speaker 1: doesn't leave us much to work with. And doesn't leave
- 4:55Speaker 1: the deer with a huge sacrifice to stay bedded or
- 4:58Speaker 1: at least deep in the cover when it's not dark out.
- 5:01Speaker 1: That sucks, but it's a first world problem, and it's
- 5:05Speaker 1: something we can sometimes overcome. Infomercial voice here, But wait,
- 5:09Speaker 1: there's more. It gets worse. You're also dealing with open woods,
- 5:15Speaker 1: real see through from one end of the other. Open
- 5:17Speaker 1: woods and real cold snow can be a blessing to
- 5:21Speaker 1: the late season hunter, but ice rarely is. If you've
- 5:24Speaker 1: never crunched your way through the woods on icy leaves,
- 5:26Speaker 1: or post hold your way through the snowpack that was
- 5:29Speaker 1: topped off with the lid ice, let me tell you
- 5:32Speaker 1: haven't lived. Those conditions will allow you to spook the
- 5:34Speaker 1: already spooky deer right out of the county. All right,
- 5:38Speaker 1: Have you had enough of the downer talk? Because I have.
- 5:42Speaker 1: There are some positives to late season bow hunting. For starters.
- 5:46Speaker 1: You might be the only one dumb enough to be
- 5:48Speaker 1: out there. I've seen this on private land. I've seen
- 5:51Speaker 1: it on public land, and while it's little consolation, it
- 5:55Speaker 1: is something. Having an entire property to yourself at least
- 5:58Speaker 1: gives you some options and another check in the plus
- 6:01Speaker 1: column is that the conditions often allow you to easily scout.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Snow is an obvious benefit here, but even if you
- 6:08Speaker 1: live down farther south, where it's a rarity to wake
- 6:11Speaker 1: up to a winter wonderland, you probably deal with wet
- 6:14Speaker 1: lacas and conditions. When I'm looking for a place to
- 6:17Speaker 1: arrow a last minute dear, as I've mentioned in many
- 6:20Speaker 1: of these recent episodes, I simply look four tracks. The more,
- 6:24Speaker 1: the merrier, and often the wintry conditions. Whether you're down
- 6:28Speaker 1: south or up here up north, we'll quickly reveal where
- 6:32Speaker 1: those spots probably are. That's a start, and it's not nothing,
- 6:36Speaker 1: my friends. It's also something that helps you stay positive
- 6:41Speaker 1: as a deer hunter through just believing you're around some
- 6:45Speaker 1: deer activity. And while it's easy to glom onto the
- 6:48Speaker 1: negatives and nearly invite failure with a piss poor attitude,
- 6:52Speaker 1: this stuff all somewhat balances out, and looking at the
- 6:55Speaker 1: positives as a gift surely helps. Now, the hunting is
- 6:59Speaker 1: going to be tough, but the scouting has never been easier.
- 7:02Speaker 1: That's something. And better than that even is that if
- 7:05Speaker 1: there was ever a time to lower your standards and
- 7:07Speaker 1: just hunt deer. It's right now. If anyone gives you
- 7:11Speaker 1: shit about that, ask them how many late season public
- 7:14Speaker 1: landb booners they've killed. I promise you the answer will
- 7:17Speaker 1: be zero. And if you've got a buck tag, lower
- 7:20Speaker 1: your standards to whatever would make you happy. If that's
- 7:22Speaker 1: any buck spikes on up, target those deer and apologize
- 7:26Speaker 1: to no one. If you've got a dough tag left,
- 7:29Speaker 1: target all the deer that don't have antlers. That's what
- 7:31Speaker 1: I usually do in the late season, and honestly, it
- 7:34Speaker 1: makes the whole thing a lot fun, but it doesn't
- 7:36Speaker 1: make it easy. It can if you're only in it
- 7:40Speaker 1: for the does make it easier to find a private
- 7:42Speaker 1: place to hunt. This happened to me last season on
- 7:45Speaker 1: a farm near my house. Now, while the owner and
- 7:48Speaker 1: his son are nuts over big bucks, they really couldn't
- 7:51Speaker 1: care less about does. They're also, I'll put this delicately,
- 7:56Speaker 1: not the most hardcore hunters I've ever met. If it
- 7:58Speaker 1: doesn't happen for them during pock on season, it doesn't happen.
- 8:02Speaker 1: They give up, and that leaves the farm and the
- 8:04Speaker 1: does on it to anyone willing to ask him. Now,
- 8:08Speaker 1: last year, that's what I did and while I did
- 8:10Speaker 1: narrow a deer, I sure did have a lot of
- 8:12Speaker 1: fun getting busted by several of them. Everywhere I went
- 8:15Speaker 1: I saw does, and actually quite a few bucks. But
- 8:18Speaker 1: the does were my only green lit deer, and as
- 8:20Speaker 1: close as I got on several occasions, and never had
- 8:23Speaker 1: a single one that didn't bust me drawing or maneuvering
- 8:25Speaker 1: into shop position. It was a good reminder that the
- 8:29Speaker 1: dumb deer are dead by December, and if they aren't,
- 8:32Speaker 1: they're hanging around with deer who are not dumb. Now,
- 8:35Speaker 1: if you want any deer or any dough, the late
- 8:39Speaker 1: season might open up some doors for you. That's worth
- 8:42Speaker 1: asking if you have an inkling that a landowner might
- 8:44Speaker 1: let you in. This might be someone who manages for
- 8:47Speaker 1: good bucks, or a farmer who doesn't particularly like white
- 8:50Speaker 1: tails eating his crop, but who also gets together with
- 8:54Speaker 1: his friends and relatives to hunt the gun season. But
- 8:57Speaker 1: by the late season that farmer might not really care
- 8:59Speaker 1: who makes a pass said his late season dear, why
- 9:01Speaker 1: not let that be you? This strategy, I might add,
- 9:05Speaker 1: can also get you into the good graces of a
- 9:07Speaker 1: landowner who could become a real friend. At some point.
- 9:11Speaker 1: The person who says it's only doze this year might
- 9:14Speaker 1: also see you as a conscientious hunter who doesn't block
- 9:17Speaker 1: his field drives or leave his gates open, and who
- 9:20Speaker 1: really appreciates the gift that is hunting permission. It might
- 9:24Speaker 1: lead you to full on hunting privileges, which has happened
- 9:27Speaker 1: to me a few times in my life. And let
- 9:29Speaker 1: me tell you something, it's awesome. And if it doesn't,
- 9:32Speaker 1: the worst you've got is still a chance to hunt
- 9:34Speaker 1: some deer, and maybe you'll get to hunt some turkeys
- 9:37Speaker 1: in the spring or something. It's worth the ask. Now
- 9:40Speaker 1: this time of year, you might also find something else
- 9:43Speaker 1: that's pretty surprising and very welcome. You might find decent
- 9:47Speaker 1: hunting on public land. Well ah scratch that you might
- 9:52Speaker 1: find better than terrible hunting on public land. The secret
- 9:55Speaker 1: to a lot of land that becomes public is that
- 9:59Speaker 1: it's not harmable. It's not tillable, which means it's often
- 10:03Speaker 1: covered in well cover. That's where late season dear will
- 10:07Speaker 1: often congregate to find geo thermal cover. While it might
- 10:11Speaker 1: seem like a ghost town the weekend after rifle season
- 10:13Speaker 1: rages through, by the time a month has passed, you
- 10:17Speaker 1: might see a different story out there. This happened to
- 10:19Speaker 1: me a long time ago, and the lessons stuck. I
- 10:23Speaker 1: was hunting public land in December in Minnesota while I
- 10:25Speaker 1: was in high school. My goal then was to shoot
- 10:28Speaker 1: any deer, and it was no small task to make
- 10:31Speaker 1: that happen. With a fresh snowfall, a free afternoon, and
- 10:35Speaker 1: no real plan, I set out along a dried up
- 10:38Speaker 1: creek bed on some state land near the town of Lanesborough.
- 10:42Speaker 1: After covering a couple hundred yards, I started to see
- 10:45Speaker 1: deep trails etched in the snow and more tracks than
- 10:48Speaker 1: I could hardly believe. One spot, kind of a little bowl,
- 10:52Speaker 1: was covered in fresh deer sign It also featured a
- 10:55Speaker 1: bunch of green, reedy like plants poking out of the
- 10:58Speaker 1: snow that I'd later come to learn are scouring rush horsetail.
- 11:02Speaker 1: This seasonal food source doesn't seem to be all that
- 11:04Speaker 1: appealing in September to the deer, but it's like the
- 11:07Speaker 1: only green game in town for some wintering deer, so
- 11:10Speaker 1: they tend to pound it in the late season. I
- 11:14Speaker 1: set up behind a tree on a bank overlooking that spot,
- 11:16Speaker 1: and within a few minutes watched a fuzzy dophon walk
- 11:19Speaker 1: down the trail. Her hair was all puffed up in
- 11:23Speaker 1: the cold, and I managed to muster up a clean
- 11:25Speaker 1: miss at eight yards. Tack that up to fawn fever,
- 11:29Speaker 1: my friends, which is an embarrassing condition to have. Honestly,
- 11:33Speaker 1: I won't ship my pants in a grocery store as
- 11:35Speaker 1: an adult, and that was less humiliating than whipping on
- 11:38Speaker 1: a fawn at a distance where I could have damn
- 11:39Speaker 1: near petted her. Anyway. I never got another shot that night,
- 11:44Speaker 1: but I saw a lot of deer and I realized something.
- 11:46Speaker 1: I'd expected the hunting to be terrible, and it was
- 11:49Speaker 1: actually pretty awesome, and it was on public land. Since then,
- 11:53Speaker 1: I've randomly encountered enough winning cover and enough of the
- 11:57Speaker 1: right conditions on public land to lead is some really
- 12:00Speaker 1: fun late season hunting every once in a while. Now,
- 12:03Speaker 1: mind you, it was never any good for giant bucks,
- 12:06Speaker 1: but for fun hunting that at least promised and encounter
- 12:09Speaker 1: with a freezer filler, it was pretty damn good. The
- 12:13Speaker 1: key here is to go out and look around like
- 12:17Speaker 1: I've been preaching all fall, Like I kind of preached
- 12:19Speaker 1: all last summer. You might think that the public land
- 12:22Speaker 1: down the road is worthless this late in the season.
- 12:24Speaker 1: But do you really know that? If you don't, you
- 12:28Speaker 1: can find out with a quick walk through there. Of course,
- 12:32Speaker 1: if you find Dear, you've got to hunt them. You've
- 12:36Speaker 1: got to hunt them. Well. Now, I'm going to cover
- 12:38Speaker 1: this a lot in next week's episode, but i'll say
- 12:40Speaker 1: a few teaser things now. First off, dead quiet conditions
- 12:44Speaker 1: are your enemy. Late season. Dear will hear you draw,
- 12:48Speaker 1: and they'll let you understand just how intolerant of mistakes
- 12:50Speaker 1: they really are. This is why distance to your likely
- 12:53Speaker 1: shot matters too close and too calm, and you'll watch
- 12:57Speaker 1: lots of white tails bound off through the woods too
- 13:00Speaker 1: far in your ability to make a good shot while
- 13:02Speaker 1: you're all bundled up and out of practice. You'll be
- 13:05Speaker 1: in trouble there too. Late season bow hunting is a
- 13:08Speaker 1: real challenge if you're not sitting in a box, blind
- 13:10Speaker 1: over a food plot with a heater running, sitting on
- 13:13Speaker 1: the ground or in a saddle, or stand up in
- 13:15Speaker 1: a tree. Now it is a really great way to
- 13:18Speaker 1: find out how good you are at hiding yourself, how
- 13:21Speaker 1: good you are at moving like a ninja, and how
- 13:24Speaker 1: much you really operate in the fluid way versus clunky
- 13:27Speaker 1: and loud and basically in a manner that gets you busted.
- 13:31Speaker 1: Now you're probably thinking, I know how tough it is, man.
- 13:34Speaker 1: I want you to tell me how to kill deer,
- 13:36Speaker 1: not how to not kill deer. Fair enough, This is
- 13:40Speaker 1: what I do. I look for fresh sign around, real cover.
- 13:44Speaker 1: The open woods are not your friend right now. So
- 13:46Speaker 1: anything that offers a little better, a little thicker cover,
- 13:50Speaker 1: that's your friend. That's where the deer will bed, that's
- 13:53Speaker 1: where the deer will stage, and that's where the deer
- 13:55Speaker 1: will travel in the daylight hours. I do factor in
- 13:59Speaker 1: food because that's where the deer are going eventually, but
- 14:03Speaker 1: I rarely set up over it unless I find something
- 14:05Speaker 1: similar to my opening night strategy, which means that once
- 14:08Speaker 1: in a while you will find a corner of a
- 14:10Speaker 1: bean field that didn't get picked, or a cut corn
- 14:12Speaker 1: field that's tucked way back in below a hill and
- 14:15Speaker 1: totally not visible to the road glasses and the hunters
- 14:19Speaker 1: who won't get out and work for deer. You do
- 14:22Speaker 1: find this occasionally, and when you do, it's pretty dangn cool.
- 14:26Speaker 1: It's fun to sit there knowing the odds are really
- 14:28Speaker 1: good that some deer going to show up, and if
- 14:29Speaker 1: they do, you better make good on it because those
- 14:33Speaker 1: spots are great places to spook deer when you leave.
- 14:36Speaker 1: So you might only get two chances if you spread
- 14:38Speaker 1: them out, or if the spot is really hot, hunt
- 14:40Speaker 1: them back to back, but three or four times you'll
- 14:43Speaker 1: probably really be pushing it. Now if you don't find this,
- 14:46Speaker 1: or you do and you burn it to the ground
- 14:48Speaker 1: right away and you still got a tag, you gotta
- 14:50Speaker 1: get in that cover. Always get to the best cover.
- 14:54Speaker 1: You might be thinking that you hunt, I don't know,
- 14:57Speaker 1: the swamps or whatever, and finding cover really is and
- 15:00Speaker 1: the problem. You might be a big woods hunter and go, well,
- 15:02Speaker 1: let's cover everywhere, man, but very few tracks of timber
- 15:06Speaker 1: or mono to the max. And what I mean by
- 15:08Speaker 1: that is that there's a soft edge out there with
- 15:11Speaker 1: better cover, or there's a patch of tamaracks or an
- 15:14Speaker 1: old homestead, or there's something that offers the deer a
- 15:17Speaker 1: better survival advantage. Over in the big Northwoods Wisconsin, I
- 15:22Speaker 1: often find that the places where the grouse live now
- 15:25Speaker 1: so to do the deer. Both animals are on the
- 15:28Speaker 1: menu of a lot of the animals over there. So
- 15:30Speaker 1: creek bottoms, the right age, clear cuts, or just certain
- 15:33Speaker 1: hillsides that receive a little extra sun and aren't canopied
- 15:36Speaker 1: out might just do it. All of this is a
- 15:39Speaker 1: big question mark until you get in there and you
- 15:41Speaker 1: start to look around. Now. Of course, just like every
- 15:45Speaker 1: other point of the year, you can spot deer and
- 15:47Speaker 1: food sources, or see obvious tracks and do some sleuthing.
- 15:50Speaker 1: You can also make use of observation sits, which is
- 15:53Speaker 1: a real option right now with a visibility as high
- 15:56Speaker 1: as it will be all year. I'm always surprised how
- 15:58Speaker 1: often I sit in December and I see deer filtering
- 16:01Speaker 1: through woods that look pretty open, but absolutely swallows them
- 16:04Speaker 1: up the moment they stopped. In fact, I probably eight
- 16:08Speaker 1: years ago I shot a little buck in December after
- 16:11Speaker 1: stumbling onto this fact. I had burned a small food
- 16:14Speaker 1: plot right out and just went looking on the twenty
- 16:16Speaker 1: nine acre property I was hunting. One dough on the
- 16:19Speaker 1: edge of the wet land led me to a closer look,
- 16:22Speaker 1: and I realized they were about four acres of swampy
- 16:25Speaker 1: brushy willows and dogwood that looked to be a good
- 16:28Speaker 1: spot for betting and browsing and staging. The first night
- 16:32Speaker 1: that the wind was right, I came in along a
- 16:35Speaker 1: busy highway and then hung a stand while the din
- 16:38Speaker 1: of rush hour ramped up four hundred yards from me.
- 16:41Speaker 1: Soon after the dark, figures of deer browsing caught my attention,
- 16:45Speaker 1: and the first year to show up was a little
- 16:47Speaker 1: buck that made a big mistake of getting about three
- 16:50Speaker 1: yards from my stand a week earlier. And I'd have
- 16:53Speaker 1: bet you money that there weren't more than a few
- 16:56Speaker 1: deer on any given day they get within two yards
- 16:59Speaker 1: of that property, let alone actually set hoof on it.
- 17:03Speaker 1: But they were there, like they almost always are. I
- 17:07Speaker 1: just wasn't looking in the right spots now that night,
- 17:10Speaker 1: I had a strong north wind to cover my movement,
- 17:12Speaker 1: and in every case where I've ever arrowed a late
- 17:14Speaker 1: season white tail, I've had something conditionwise that gave me
- 17:18Speaker 1: an advantage. I also had a little luck, some fresh intel,
- 17:22Speaker 1: and a willingness to just hunt deer, which is the
- 17:25Speaker 1: real crux of this episode. If you're in the true
- 17:28Speaker 1: late part of your bow season and you're not sitting
- 17:30Speaker 1: on primo ground, ask yourself what you really want to do,
- 17:34Speaker 1: answer it honestly, and if you want to keep hunting
- 17:36Speaker 1: and enjoying it, that might involve lowering your standards and
- 17:39Speaker 1: accepting what little advantages this part of the season gives you,
- 17:43Speaker 1: like concentrated deer, fewer hunters in the woods, and really
- 17:47Speaker 1: the chance to keep hunting when everyone else has moved on.
- 17:50Speaker 1: That's enough to keep going, but not enough to actually
- 17:53Speaker 1: get it done, which is what next week is really
- 17:55Speaker 1: all about. The fine details of a good set up
- 17:59Speaker 1: and how to work through a shot opportunity so that
- 18:02Speaker 1: it breaks your way and not the deers, which is
- 18:05Speaker 1: easier said than done. That's it for this week, my friends.
- 18:10Speaker 1: I'm Tony Peterson and this is the Wired Hunt Foundations podcast.
- 18:14Speaker 1: If you're interested in more white tailed wisdom, please check
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- 18:20Speaker 1: Eator dot com slash wired. As always, thank you so
- 18:24Speaker 1: much for the support.