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Escaping The Matrix · UK Column Radio

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  Well, hello Clive Edwards, it's it's wonderful to to have you
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  here today on UK column to speak about what you do and your
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  wonderful website capillary wave.
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  And now I know you because you've been involved in, in the
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  local area that I'm in and been helping people and councils and
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  all sorts of things. And I've been over to your land,
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  which is amazing what you're doing there.
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  You know, you've, you've literally built yourself a, an
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  amazing fortress where you, you, you sort of you're, you're
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  walking your talk. You're, you're doing your whole,
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  you're living your life out of the system, which has got to be
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  commended. And I just wanted to ask you,
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  you know, you know, you say that your platform came out of your
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  sort of legal entanglements, you know, with your local council
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  and then a broader study of law and governance.
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  And you know, could you briefly sort of tell us about that
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  journey and how you got to where you are and, and what was the
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  turning point where you realised you were operating in one
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  jurisdiction rather than another?
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  Yeah. Well, firstly, thank you Sandy,
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  lovely to see you and thanks for, you know, thanks for
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  inviting me on the UK columns. Great to be here.
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  So as you say, I I came into stark conflict's a strong word,
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  but I guess perhaps it was conflict with the States.
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  They came and knocked on my door one day.
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  Head of planning enforcement. I was putting up a fence in on a
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  bit of on a field I've got where I stored some building
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  materials. I used to run a construction
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  company down in Somerset and then the head of planning, head
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  of planning enforcement turned up one day with his clipboard
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  and said, Clive, you've got to stop what you're doing.
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  And I've used the analogy before, but I was, my life was
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  bombing along at 100 mile an hour in the fast lane.
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  And all of a sudden the council came knocking and pulled the
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  handbrake up and I went into a tailspin.
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  And so I, I like basically they were, what this meant was it was
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  threatening the very existence of my building company.
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  And I was probably about 35 at the time.
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  I was just about to get married. You know, my life was just like
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  sort of taking off, if you know what I mean.
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  And then the council, the council turned up and basically
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  what they were asking me to do would have, you know, to cease
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  the store. And a building materials at my
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  field would have meant I'd have had to go and hire a yard.
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  You know, it would have, I think it would have put me out of
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  business. This was around 2007, eight when
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  the recession was biting really hard for those in the
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  construction industry. So it was tough enough as it
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  was. Then I had the council, well
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  actually had a joint, the joint forces of the local council and
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  then HMRC came knocking. So that brought me head first
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  into an indictable offence. Now I don't know if your
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  audience, no, I didn't know what an indictable offence was at the
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  time, but it's, it's with planning enforcement, it's an
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  unlimited fine and indictable means it's, you could be sent to
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  prison for it. So and it can end up in Crown
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  Court. So it's fairly serious.
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  I didn't know at the time how serious it was, but it was a
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  serious situation. Gosh.
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  And so you know, on your website you, you distinguish between
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  legal and lawful. How do you define those two
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  terms, and what are the practical consequences for an
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  individual who's unaware of that distinction?
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  Yeah, well, this is crucial, Sandy.
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  This finding out this distinction between legal and
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  lawful was the key to success in me because I, I ultimately I
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  defeated the, I say, defeated the council went away.
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  They didn't want to tangle them anymore because in the end I
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  became, I came to understand the system of law and governance
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  really well. And and I got it got to a stage
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  where I was able to pull their rules and show them with their
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  rules why they should leave me alone.
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  And I think that's, that's, that's the point of ultimate
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  success, when you can show your adversary their own rules as to
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  why they have to leave you alone, which we'll get on to,
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  I'm sure in this discussion. That's when, that's when they,
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  because that doesn't require their belief, their belief in
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  what I'm telling them I'm able to, I'm able to use their own
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  laws, which they understand to, to point out, you know, the
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  boundaries of their jurisdiction.
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  So for me, when the council came knocking, I had to, I mean, I
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  was in a tailspin. I again, I, I felt someone
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  dropped me in the middle of the sea and nobody knew if I could
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  swim. So I, I started just to do a,
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  you know, treading water a bit, just keep your neck above the
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  water. And I, I started by looking at
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  the council's enforcement policies because I thought,
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  well, you know, how on earth can this guy I've never, ever met
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  before in my life, How can he just turn up and put an end to
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  my end to my life, as I saw at the time.
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  So I started, I thought I'd start by looking at their
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  enforcement policies. And I, I did that and, and that,
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  that was, you know, that was fairly useful.
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  But the actual bit of gold that I found Sandy, which maybe a lot
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  of people aren't aware, but every council's got a what's
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  called a constitution. This is a really, really
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  important document. And in that constitution, I, so
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  I started reading that constitution.
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  And so, so I'll just put that there a minute because you asked
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  about legal and lawful. So the legal system, let's talk
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  about, I sent you some, a couple of photographs.
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  I don't know if you're able to put them on the screen, but.
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  Oh, right. I don't, oh, I don't know
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  whether I can do that right now. I did.
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  I yeah, there was a bit of a confusion this morning about
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  yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't get those two.
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  But I I I know that is it the two banners that you had at the
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  at the talk? I saw you do.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  I do a few talks and my talks are available online.
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  And so the, the, the, the United Kingdom now this is something
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  that actually not enough people understand. the United Kingdom
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  is what is known at law is a, it's, it's a body politic.
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  And that's exactly what it sounds like.
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  It's a political body. It's a political structure.
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  It doesn't exist in reality. So it's, it's just a what in
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  terms of law and governance, it's known what's known as
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  illegal fiction. So, so if you, for instance, if
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  your audience was to go to Wikipedia and search for United
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  Kingdom, what they what will show, what Wikipedia will offer
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  them is a picture of a Union Jack and some heraldry.
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  And it'll you're able to click a button and you'll hear the
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  national anthem. Now, it's not able to show you
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  what the United Kingdom is because it's a political
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  construct. It doesn't exist in reality.
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  And I often say that my talks ioffer free tickets for a all
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  inclusive family holiday to Yugoslavia.
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  Just come and collect them and. There's no place exists anymore.
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  Exactly Yugoslavia that that political construct no longer
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  exists. The landmass exists just like
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  the landmass of the British Isles is a real and tangible
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  thing, but the company, the corporate entity that operates
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  out of it, United Kingdom, is not a tangible real thing.
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  So that's what a country is. And and so I came to so I
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  started scratching my head and I started thinking, well, how can
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  these state actors? Where did they get their
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  authority from? Like where does the council gain
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  their authority to turn up in my life and put an end to my life
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  as I saw it, my means of earning money for my family.
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  I was just about to get married, as I say, like, how did this
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  happen? So I started looking at the main
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  actors and States and saw, you know, what they did in in and
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  where they gained their authority from.
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  So that led me to the monarchs coronation that that and they
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  bring out the Bible, but the Bible is very prevalent in the
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  monarchs coronation and then I find.
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  In the oh, in the monarchs coronation, yeah.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  I'll get on to the two jurisdictions of state in a
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  minute. We'll break it.
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  I'll break it down throughout that.
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  Throughout state. Yeah.
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  So in the monarchs coronation, anyone that's seen it, the the
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  Bible is very prevalent in that service.
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  But and then I also find find out that judges every year they
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  mark the start of the legal year.
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  There's such a thing as that's called a legal year.
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  And they marked the start of that legal year.
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  All the judiciary, all the top people in of, of the judiciary
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  in the legal system meets at Westminster Abbey and they sing
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  praise to God and our prayers and, and it's a very big
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  ceremony. So that's sort of got me
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  thinking. It's like, well, God's involved
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  in law and governance somewhere along it's, you know, God's
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  seriously involved here in law and governance.
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  And then I find out that in the House of Commons, every every
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  single day in the House of Commons, they have a prayer
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  session before, before Parliament opens.
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  Yes. They're not very godly though,
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  are they? No.
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  Well, we'll get into that because the legal system, civil
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  law, the legal systems run on civil law and civil, civil law
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  means is secularly organised and the definition of secular means
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  lacking in ethics and morality and a belief in God.
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  That is the definition of of secular.
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  Yeah. And we don't we at the moment
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  under a secular sort of legal system, don't we?
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  Absolutely. So it is actually a godless
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  rather. Yeah, yes.
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  And, and I'll get on to explain why.
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  So what the legal system do is mimic the lawful system.
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  Now this took me about 15 years to find out.
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  So it was a, it was a very long, very long and arduous process.
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  Or I, I trawl through all their policies, their acts and, and
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  the Bible. And I had to do so forensically
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  at times. And so I came to find out that,
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  well, how the legal system work is they, they copy and mimic the
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  lawful system. They just, it's just a mirror,
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  mirror image of it. So on the lawful side, you've
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  got God our Father who art in heaven.
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  And, and on the legal side, the, I don't know how many people are
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  aware, but King Charles has got one of his titles is Father of
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  the nation. So when I found that, I thought
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  that's interesting. I wonder who the mother is.
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  So on the Bible, on the biblical side and the mother is the is
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  Christchurch. Like we're the living stones of
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  Christchurch. So we, the followers of Christ
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  are actually Christchurch. But then, but Christchurch is
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  known as mother Church. So I thought, well, who's the
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  mother on the legal side, since they're just copying and
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  mirroring it, mirroring everything.
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  So on the legal side, they've got the, the Church of England
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  is known as mother Church. And this is where this is where
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  it now starts to get really important because we'll bring it
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  down to councils and things in a, in a moment about my
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  particular fight. So on the on God's side, on the
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  Bible side, we're what's known as children of God, just in
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  simple terms. And on the legal side, we're
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  known, we're what's known as like the King's the father, the
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  church is the mother and we're infants wards of the state.
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  So that's what that's what we're we're viewed as and that's
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  that's what we become when we subject ourselves to to an
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  earthly king. And is that why certain areas
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  are called wards do you think? Yes, absolutely.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  And yes. And it's no, it's no coincidence
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  that when you're dealing in elections, you elect someone
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  from a ward of a district. That's right.
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  And and you became so when we when we get involved in the in
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  the voting system is when you do you have to get enrolled on the
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  electoral register. Now that that when you enrol on
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  the electoral register that then places you as a subject of the
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  king in just in short terms. So you become and that breaks
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  the first commandment because in the first commandment it says
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  thou thou shall have no other gods before me.
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  And in that commandment is the small G God and the strongest
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  congolonance of that small G God is earthly kings, judges and
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  rulers. So that was very interesting to
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  me that the voting process makes you, if you like it, it breaks
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  the first commandment and and God says in the in the Bible
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  call no man on earth your father, because there is one
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  Father in in heaven. And of course, so when you enrol
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  on the electoral register and become a subject of an earthly
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  king, he then becomes your father.
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  That's why he gets to make the rules and you become an infinite
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  of the state. Yeah.
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  So, so in fact, so this, this when you've got the two, the two
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  jurisdictions, you've got God's law and you've got this secular
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  legal system that that has kind of been overlaid on the top of
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  God's law because God's law was there in the beginning.
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  Is that what you're saying? And then this was kind of
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  brought in over the top to kind of trance it.
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  I wouldn't say it's brought in. I wouldn't say it's brought in
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  over the top because they put it right there before us.
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  It's right under our noses, but it is it's in the hierarchy.
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  It sits below God's law, if you like.
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  It's gone in the biblical system and the and the because they all
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  go to in their ceremonies and worship God and we and we then
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  subjected ourselves to the king and they worship God.
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  So, so I'm trying to, I'm paying devil's advocate here.
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  So you're saying 2 tiered during jurisdiction basically.
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  And you've got, you've got 2, two different factions, but they
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  kind of merged together for, for the, for, for show, for theatre,
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  for whatever it is. But underneath it all they are
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  godless. Is that what you're saying?
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  I'm trying to get my head around this, Yeah.
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  No. So the hierarchy is, is that the
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  legal system is a derivative, derivative of the biblical
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  lawful system because everyone's period of legal, what's legal
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  and what's lawful, but very few actually understand what lawful
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  actually means. Lawful is a, it means it's
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  referring to the Bible and that and that doctrine.
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  So yeah, the legal system is body politics are run on civil
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  law and civil law is Roman law, which is why the king at his
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  coronation Dons an imperial crown.
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  Imperial means Roman, but at his coronation he Dons 2 crimes and
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  those two crimes of office reflect reflect the two
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  jurisdictions. So he he puts on the crown of
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  Saint Edward's crime which is known as the crown of God and
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  that that reflects the jurisdiction under God.
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  And that he also in the same coronation, puts on a an
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  imperial crown, and that is the Roman crown, reflecting his
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  office of state where he rules over the subjects.
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  So is it that he's serving 2 masters in that?
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  In that. Respect.
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  Yeah. He has tried to choose
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  jurisdictions because in Romans 13, one, it says the powers that
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  be are ordained by God. So if you like God said, God
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  said for those that turn their back on me, IE break the first
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  commandment and go and subject themselves to an earthly king,
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  which we're told not to. For those that do that, you can
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  go over there and he will govern you.
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  And that's that's why they're allowed to.
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  That's why they're allowed to beat you up because you you've
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  broke the first commandment. Now that that the King's two
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  crimes of office are reflected at judge at judges level as
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  well. So judges swear, judges swear to
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  oaths. 1 oath is to the office of the United Kingdom and that
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  office there and the other oath is now these oaths take diligent
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  and forensic reading, OK. But the other oath is it is to
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  do with the jurisdiction under God.
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  And there's maxims of law that says judge is judged for God.
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  And there's another one that says it's punishment enough for
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  a judge to know that he's judged by God.
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  So. I, no, I I wasn't aware of that
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  because from what I've looked at, and I don't want to in any
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  way disagree with you in in this respect, but I was under the
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  assumption that that council judges rather swear the oath to
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  the King. Yeah, that's that's right.
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  They swear one oath to the office of United Kingdom, which
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  is under the King. So that's correct.
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  Well, I I thought it was only that I didn't.
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  I I'm from what I'm aware of, they don't swear to to God.
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  Yeah, well, one of the one, the other oath is under the
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  jurisdiction. I'll just say it like that,
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  under the jurisdiction of God. So because, because the king
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  destroyed 2, the king destroyed 2 jurisdictions.
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  So judges if, if the if there wasn't 22 jurisdictions, judges
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  wouldn't need to swear 2 oaths. And, and, and this rolls down at
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  the police level. That's why a police officer is
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  also a police constable. So the police constable swears
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  an oath to protect the people. Now the people are on on God's
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  side. That's.
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  Something I do want to get straight because you talk about
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  people and persons and people are living souls under God's law
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  and persons illegal fictions under legislative control.
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  So it sounds a bit straw, manly and freeman on the land, which I
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  must admit I keep right away from, but.
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  Yeah, so do I. Yeah, just just on that point,
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  I've got an article that that explains and denounces the
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  Freeman on the land position because that's that's that's a
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  fallacy that's going to go nowhere.
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  But persons are mentioned in the Bible and there's many places it
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  says if you have respect to persons, you've transgressed the
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  law and sinned and it says that's it.
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  James 29, I think it isn't it Job 3221, it says have no
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  respect of man's person or don't accept man's title or, or my or
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  my maker will surely take me away.
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  So persons are mentioned throughout the Bible and in 99%
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  of the of the cases it's a very bad thing to be so a.
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  Person. A person?
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  Yes. A.
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  Person is is really under the jurisdiction of the legislative.
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  That's right. And that's why, and that's
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  exactly why it's bad in the eyes of God, because you broke the to
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  be a person of the state, you would have had to break the
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  first commandment. Have no other gods before me.
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  So you'll only become a person when you subject yourself to an
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  earthly king, which is why going back to the constables of those
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  22 jurisdictions, again, a police officer like the clues
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  and the title of that, that's for the office of the State of
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  the United Kingdom. And a, a police constable swears
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  an oath to protect people and property.
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  So that's on the jurist on God. So it's, it's an oath on this
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  side because an oath is a, a pledge to a deity.
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  So it's higher than mankind. So that's the oath side and
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  under God. OK, I'm, I'm because obviously
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  our viewers, you know, are, are looking at all this going, Oh my
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  goodness, this is this is it really scrambles your brain,
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  doesn't it? It does.
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  So tell me, I mean, there's the, the the reason why I've steered
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  very clear of ever interviewing anyone from any kind of common
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  law thing is because everybody argues about their system is
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  right, you're wrong, every single one of them.
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  And that it, it really puts you off.
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  I mean, it puts you off. I agree.
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  What? What's different?
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  About your system, tell me what wins.
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  Have you actually managed to for other people as well?
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  I'll tell you. Exactly what's different about
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  what I talk about? Because it's the very fact that
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  it's not my system. Yeah, it's, it's not.
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  It's nothing to do with Clive Edwards.
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  I just have to find that this is the system.
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  This is a paradigm, is a model. It's a system.
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  And, and, and what I've what I'm explaining now explain on my
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  website is the paradigm is the model.
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  And, and I found out these two jurisdictions go from the king
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  to judges to the police, right down to local councils.
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  And we'll get on to that. I'm sure in a bit amended
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  District Council. I'll show you their evidence to
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  their constitution. Where where it breaks, it breaks
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  the, the difference between the people of God and the persons in
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  the electorate of the state. Believe it or not, it's in your
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  local council's constitution. Yeah, would that.
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  Work because mend it doesn't exist anymore.
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  It says they they've gone unitary and they that's right
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  there now. Is Somerset Council, I believe,
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  isn't it? It would be that, yeah.
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  It's. Somerset now would it be the
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  same? So we've got.
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  I've got members at Capillary from all over Britain and so
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  we've we're building up a a library of council's
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  constitutions. So there's there's a
• 20:37
  constitution. Basingstoke, I did send you
• 20:41
  through the photograph that for, yes, yeah.
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  I'm sorry for your audience. Yeah, it's.
• 20:47
  It's I've got it on my that we we can put.
• 20:49
  Those in the show notes OK. Show notes.
• 20:52
  So fantastic, your two banners and everything else in the show
• 20:56
  notes. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:57
  So if you like. I, I'll read out Basingstoke's,
• 21:01
  an excerpt from Basingstoke's council because this is relevant
• 21:05
  because I had to when I found this out, it's when Mendip
• 21:07
  started to leave me alone on my for the planning issue.
• 21:10
  And that's when I went on to build a farm.
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  And as you said, you visited my farm, Sandy, and seen it with
• 21:15
  your own eyes. So, and that was many years ago
• 21:18
  that I had this battle with Mendeb.
• 21:20
  It's it's long, it's long in the dust night.
• 21:22
  But so this the two jurisdictions of state from the
• 21:25
  king to the judges to police. And now this is at local council
• 21:29
  level where it talks about the people of God.
• 21:31
  It doesn't say people of God, obviously, it just says people.
• 21:34
  And then it talks about the election and council taxpayers.
• 21:37
  So in basing, sorry, Gravesend Borough Council's constitution,
• 21:42
  it says allow local people to have a real and informed say
• 21:47
  about the issues that affect them.
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  So local people, the councils are accountable to people, but
• 21:54
  they're not accountable to the electorate, the subjects of the
• 21:56
  king. So at the very next line it says
• 21:58
  this explain to electors and council taxpayers the reasons
• 22:03
  for particular policies and priorities.
• 22:06
  So the council explains the policies to their electorate,
• 22:09
  because if you're one of the electorate, you're what's known
• 22:11
  as a commoner, and a commoner is a member of the third estate of
• 22:15
  the realm. They're the commoner is the
• 22:17
  lowest position at law you can be, whereas one of the people
• 22:21
  was the highest position at law you can be.
• 22:24
  So when I started to find this stuff out and started to mention
• 22:26
  in this to amend the District Council, they backed off of me
• 22:30
  big time. I said I'm one of the people.
• 22:34
  What did that look like? The backing off, how did how did
• 22:37
  that present well, don't get so. Let's just paint the picture.
• 22:40
  I mean, I had to go. I had police turning up here,
• 22:42
  enforcement officers. I'm talking this is years of
• 22:45
  probably 3-4, five years of, let's call it discussions with
• 22:48
  Mendip Council that involved enforcement officers and the
• 22:51
  police. Now, I didn't know a lot of this
• 22:53
  at the time. They were just treating me as
• 22:55
  one of the lecturer, one of their commoners.
• 22:58
  And when I started to understand this and find this out, I
• 23:01
  started right into the Section 151 officer and they are
• 23:04
  responsible to make sure the Council operates doesn't operate
• 23:09
  ultravirus, which means beyond the law.
• 23:12
  It's the section. 15151 officers job to make sure.
• 23:16
  Now it will say in their constitution to operate legally
• 23:19
  and lawfully. It says it in their own
• 23:22
  constitution. So it evidences these two
• 23:25
  jurisdictions that we're talking about today in their own
• 23:28
  constitution and it's the Section 1.
• 23:32
  Sorry, I, I just because they, they, they operate legally and
• 23:35
  lawfully. So you use both sides of of
• 23:39
  this, yes, you've got God's law and then you've got the, the
• 23:43
  legal system, the. Legal.
• 23:45
  System. Yes, that's correct.
• 23:47
  They use both. They use both.
• 23:48
  It's a melding of the two. No that.
• 23:51
  No, it's not a melding. It's they have citizens of the
• 23:54
  state to look after and then they also they're accountable to
• 23:58
  the people and the God. They're accountable to me, but
• 24:01
  they're not accountable to their own citizens because as as a
• 24:05
  citizen, you consented to be governed, you pledged that you
• 24:09
  make yourself a subject. So it's a matter of choice which
• 24:14
  you the decide you're going to be governed by.
• 24:18
  Yeah, yeah, everyone's. Familiar with that phrase freed
• 24:21
  sorry, consent of the governed and we do we do have a choice so
• 24:26
  how do you. How do you get yourself out of
• 24:28
  the matrix? Then what do you have to do?
• 24:31
  Right, that's a really good question.
• 24:33
  So right, the word Atorn, the word Atorn means to turn away
• 24:38
  from 1 Lord and go and serve another.
• 24:40
  There's only two jurisdiction as mankind on planet earth.
• 24:44
  There's only ever two things you can be under.
• 24:46
  You can be under man or God. That's it.
• 24:50
  So and certain that's the situation at Britain here.
• 24:53
  You can be under man in the United Kingdom under that under
• 24:56
  the jurisdiction of the, the secular legal system, or he can
• 24:59
  be under God on the, on, on the British Isles, which which is
• 25:03
  what I did. So the word atone means to turn
• 25:05
  away from 1 Lord to go and serve another Lord.
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  And that's why there's a, a general in, in charge of all the
• 25:12
  attorneys, the attorney general. So I wrote to the attorney
• 25:17
  general and explained to him some of this and and then I
• 25:21
  rescinded my consent to be, to have that name, that legal name
• 25:26
  on the electoral register. So that that's the first thing.
• 25:30
  Because if I'd, I had in my mind that the council was very likely
• 25:33
  going to take me to court over this planning thing.
• 25:35
  Because in the end, I wrote to the local council and told them
• 25:38
  that I was going to build a house on this field.
• 25:40
  And if they had any objections, let me know.
• 25:42
  But they never wrote back to me. And I've gone ahead and built a
• 25:45
  farm as you, as you, as you know.
• 25:47
  So. And the reason they've left me
• 25:50
  alone and not they, they, they, they've refused to take me to
• 25:53
  court. I've written in 3 or 4 letters
• 25:55
  to them over the years asking them to take me to court.
• 25:59
  Now Mendip got a, an expert in planning law from South Wales to
• 26:04
  come and prosecute me. And especially for my case.
• 26:07
  I know that because I asked him and when he got the job I asked
• 26:12
  for a meeting with him, which I did at mended district council's
• 26:14
  offices. We had a meeting.
• 26:17
  I asked him a few things. I said have I got a right to a
• 26:19
  private life? He said yes.
• 26:22
  I said can the council force themselves to to be my
• 26:25
  authority? He said no, we've got that
• 26:28
  choice. A council is just a you didn't
• 26:31
  have to. No, that's right.
• 26:33
  They can't, for we've got we got freedom of choice.
• 26:36
  A council and a local authority are different things.
• 26:41
  A council becomes a local authority when you submit
• 26:43
  yourself, when you're a subject of the king, you then become one
• 26:46
  of their electorate. But I'm one of the people under
• 26:50
  God, so they're not my local authority, but they are a
• 26:53
  council and they're accountable to me.
• 26:55
  Now their own constitution states that.
• 26:59
  So it's so they're, they're I asked, I also asked their, this,
• 27:03
  their planning expert, if it's illegal not to have planning
• 27:05
  permission. And he said, no, it's not.
• 27:08
  And I knew it wasn't. I asked him these questions
• 27:10
  because I knew the answer. Now we've got a right to a
• 27:13
  private life and a private life is on the, it's not under God
• 27:18
  because everything, everything under the UK, under the UK
• 27:21
  system is in common. That's why we have the House of
• 27:24
  Commons. We have people play on the
• 27:26
  common land exactly that they play on the Commons.
• 27:28
  That's why there's a Commonwealth.
• 27:30
  It's owned, it's owned commonly. But I've got they say you've got
• 27:34
  a right to a private life. And so I started pointing these
• 27:38
  things out. And it was at that point the
• 27:40
  their planning expert said to me, Clive, we're not going to
• 27:42
  take you to court. What?
• 27:45
  Because you. You.
• 27:45
  Knew you knew where you stood, and they knew where you stood
• 27:51
  precisely. Sandy Yeah.
• 27:52
  And this is what I'm saying because as you said, you know,
• 27:56
  you refer to the common law and the straw man stuff.
• 27:58
  That's a lot. That's a lot of nonsense.
• 28:01
  And then you, you know, you said what about my system?
• 28:03
  And, and that's my point. This isn't my system.
• 28:05
  I just pointed out what their rules say because it's the
• 28:09
  system. It's their system.
• 28:11
  This is the system of law and governance.
• 28:16
  Now I find this absolutely fascinating and This is why I, I
• 28:20
  kind of wanted you on and I know I've been to your land and you
• 28:23
  have literally built it. It's impenetrable.
• 28:27
  So what many people can do that if they have, if they, if they
• 28:31
  buy a field and they want to, you know, put structures on it
• 28:35
  and, and live on the land the way that you do.
• 28:39
  Some people haven't got the means to build great big walls
• 28:42
  and electric gates and what have you.
• 28:43
  So would it work for them? Is that one reason why they're
• 28:47
  not? Or is it because you have come
• 28:49
  out of the matrix and they know it?
• 28:51
  Or is it because you're you're such a fortress?
• 28:54
  It's I. Mean I knew.
• 28:56
  So just on the fortress part, I knew.
• 28:58
  Listen, when I started doing this, I knew I was in, I knew I
• 29:01
  was running headlong into a battle with the state.
• 29:03
  So like any good general, you have to get your defences in
• 29:07
  order first. So I put a boundary wall UPS
• 29:10
  because I wanted I, I, I made it difficult them to just walk in.
• 29:14
  I needed them to go and get a court warrant more either.
• 29:18
  So to get into my place, you either have to be invited in or
• 29:20
  you need court paperwork. So I made it hard for the
• 29:24
  council to just walk in because they will just walk in.
• 29:26
  OK, so that's that's that point. But yeah, the main point is
• 29:29
  because because I understood the two jurisdictions of man and
• 29:33
  God, legal and lawful, and I and I rescinded my consent to be
• 29:39
  governed on the legal side, I took the name off of the
• 29:42
  electoral register. So now when I tell them I'm a
• 29:44
  people under God, I'm not lying because it's no good claiming to
• 29:48
  be a people under God if you're if the legal name, because the
• 29:52
  the electoral register is evidence of your consent to be
• 29:55
  governed under the legal system. It's written evidence of it.
• 29:58
  So to your point, yet any people can do what I've done.
• 30:02
  I'm not saying it's easy because like me, most most citizens have
• 30:07
  been walking around on the government rung duck farm for
• 30:10
  20-30 forty years. So the government think, well,
• 30:13
  hang on, you're one of our ducks.
• 30:15
  You've been waddling and quacking like one of our ducks.
• 30:18
  What are you doing? Telling us you're a swan?
• 30:22
  Yeah. And when?
• 30:23
  You, when you make these distinctions and when you see
• 30:26
  what I do is point out in their own laws, Sandy, I I find this
• 30:30
  stuff in their constitution, in the council's constitution.
• 30:34
  Yeah, it's. It is there.
• 30:35
  Before our nose, but it's taken me 15 years to piece it all
• 30:38
  together. Yeah, I mean, you, you've been
• 30:44
  writing about how the governments drive their power
• 30:46
  through our consent, often without realising it.
• 30:49
  So what forms of hidden consent are most people giving and how
• 30:53
  do they withdraw or transform from that consent?
• 30:56
  Apart from saying I'm not, I'm not going to be on the electoral
• 30:58
  register, go to the attorney general and say I'm not going
• 31:01
  to, you know, I'm going to turn away from you.
• 31:05
  What? What other things can one do to
• 31:08
  transform that consent to, to actually really get yourself out
• 31:13
  of the system? Yeah.
• 31:15
  Yeah. So one.
• 31:16
  Of the obviously being on the electoral register is the main,
• 31:19
  is the main evidence of your consent to the UK legal system.
• 31:23
  Now it's no, it's no coincidence the, the electoral register's
• 31:26
  like a bit like the school register that your choosers, you
• 31:29
  know, twice a twice a day, morning and afternoon.
• 31:32
  Sandy Adams Yes, Miss Well, the electoral register is very
• 31:35
  similar. They get you when you called up
• 31:37
  for jury service, they get the names of the electoral register.
• 31:41
  And this is important, as is war conscription, as is war
• 31:46
  conscription. They get those names of the
• 31:48
  electoral register and that's very relevant right now, I
• 31:51
  think. So on a, on smaller scales, I
• 31:54
  said to you that accounts on A and a local authority are
• 31:56
  different things at law and they are.
• 31:58
  So a council, a council becomes a local authority.
• 32:02
  In my instance, had I applied for planning permission, then
• 32:06
  that would, I would have effectively been signing up to
• 32:09
  the terms and conditions of the Town and Country Planning Act
• 32:12
  because the planning permission is basically an agreement.
• 32:15
  I give them money, they send the guy out to make sure I'm
• 32:17
  building it to the standards of the Town and Country Planning
• 32:20
  Act and the terms and conditions of that act and that that's a
• 32:25
  contractual relationship. So they can only issue an
• 32:29
  enforcement notice under 2 under 2 circumstances. 1 is
• 32:33
  contractual. IEI pay them money for an
• 32:38
  extension or a house and they give me permission and then I
• 32:40
  build it and then they send someone out and say yes, you
• 32:42
  built it to the agreement. So and if you don't build it to
• 32:46
  the agreement, you'll find yourself in court.
• 32:48
  The other way they can enforce against their citizens or or
• 32:52
  people actually, as if you've caused to harm IEA slurry tank
• 32:56
  bursts and there's slurry emptying into a river, killing
• 32:59
  all the fish, damaging farmland down the river.
• 33:02
  Now that's harm. So they'll come out and jump on
• 33:04
  you in a heartbeat. And so they should so.
• 33:08
  So enforcement can only be issued under 2 circumstances. 1
• 33:12
  is contractual when a council then becomes an authority at
• 33:15
  your consent and the other is through harm.
• 33:19
  Yeah, I mean. What what I've noticed really
• 33:22
  about the way you operate and the way other people operate
• 33:25
  within the common law, if you like, arena, is that you work
• 33:29
  very much as an individual. And, you know, could this be
• 33:35
  your, your world, your, your kind of, could it be a fantasy
• 33:40
  world that you've built up? How can you prove to me that
• 33:43
  this is, this is something that you are living by apart from the
• 33:47
  fact that you've you've built all these amazing structures?
• 33:51
  Have you, have you had successes outside of your, you know,
• 33:55
  helping people, for instance, with council stuff or, or given
• 33:59
  your own planning permission? Have you helped anyone else that
• 34:02
  Yeah, yeah. So.
• 34:04
  When the council came at me all those years ago, I, I, I didn't
• 34:08
  know anything. I thought, crikey, I need to get
• 34:10
  some court experience. All right.
• 34:11
  So I then went on to a planning forum.
• 34:15
  I'm, I'm going to get to your point in a minute, but I have to
• 34:16
  give you a bit of back story. So then I went on to a planning
• 34:19
  forum and started talking about these topics on the planning
• 34:23
  forum. And I said, you don't need
• 34:24
  planning permission. And this planning forum was
• 34:27
  populated by professionals in the planning field, solicitors
• 34:31
  and and planning advisors and farmers and small holders.
• 34:35
  So it's a wide select a wide selection of society.
• 34:38
  So when I went on there and explained to them, you don't
• 34:42
  need planning permission, the whole forum erupted.
• 34:44
  And I was able to answer all the questions in a in a common
• 34:48
  sensical way. And I soon started attracting
• 34:52
  like I would then have farmers come to me saying, Clive, I'm in
• 34:56
  court on Wednesday, can you come and help me?
• 34:58
  So then I would go and help these farmers and I went all
• 35:00
  around Britain doing that. I for, for a few years.
• 35:04
  I still do it now occasionally. So, but back then I, because I
• 35:07
  knew I needed court experience. So I thought, right, I'll use
• 35:09
  the council didn't want to take me to court.
• 35:11
  So I thought I'll use other people's cases to gain my court
• 35:15
  experience because that was an area I needed to get experience
• 35:19
  in. So that's what I did.
• 35:20
  I went, went all around Britain, Cumbria, down to Cornwall.
• 35:23
  And to your point, whilst I was doing that, a mutual friend
• 35:28
  contacted me from the guy who built a castle behind hay bells
• 35:31
  down in Red Hill, down in Surrey.
• 35:32
  You may remember it was a very, it was the biggest planning case
• 35:35
  in the in United Kingdom at the time.
• 35:38
  A guy called Mr Fiddler, Mr Robert Fiddler built a castle.
• 35:42
  That's right. He built a castle, hid it behind
• 35:44
  hay bells and then anyway ended up in the High Court in London.
• 35:47
  And so turns out we had a mutual friend who contacted me and Rob
• 35:53
  wanted me to keep him out of prison because he had a
• 35:57
  committal hearing at the High Court in London.
• 35:59
  So Rob contacted me said, can you keep me out of prison?
• 36:03
  I said, we'll give it a go. We went to court.
• 36:06
  It's it's well documented, the BBC were there.
• 36:08
  It was a very, very high profile case.
• 36:11
  And at the end friends of mine said to me, how will, how will
• 36:14
  we know if you're successful, Clive?
• 36:15
  I said if Rob Fiddler walks out with me on the court steps after
• 36:21
  after this case then it's a success.
• 36:23
  I don't care what the BBC say. And and sure enough, Rob, Rob
• 36:27
  was with me on the on the court steps afterwards.
• 36:29
  So they didn't send. Him to gaol, but they did pull
• 36:31
  his castle down, yes. Yeah.
• 36:34
  They they made him take his castle down.
• 36:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, that's that's kind of a win,
• 36:39
  but yeah, he's well. He's well.
• 36:41
  I. Got called.
• 36:42
  I got called in to keep him out of prison because he had a
• 36:44
  committal. Oh, well, that's good, yeah.
• 36:46
  Reigating bans. Did Reigate and bans did had a
• 36:49
  committal hearing so it was tear it up and be sent down.
• 36:51
  But we kept them out of the at the jewels of the Yeah, at the
• 36:55
  dragon is it? I mean, how, how, what did you
• 36:57
  use to to stop him from going into court to prison?
• 37:01
  Well, we. Used a couple of tactics, some
• 37:04
  of which are things that we've explained here and I explained
• 37:08
  on my website. Another, another means was
• 37:12
  because we had evidence that Reigate and Bankstead cast
• 37:16
  council use blackmail in that case.
• 37:18
  So I so we opened up a a case for blackmail that morning.
• 37:25
  I think it might have been that morning, I can't remember, that
• 37:27
  was a long time ago, but we opened up a case for blackmail
• 37:29
  against the council, the council solicitor, the council
• 37:32
  solicitor. I don't want to get, I don't
• 37:34
  want to open up a massive can of worms.
• 37:36
  And but the council solicitor blackmailed, there was blackmail
• 37:40
  and we had evidence of it. This is not just we, we had
• 37:44
  evidence of it. So we opened up a case for
• 37:46
  blackmail in the High Court and then we made the judge aware of
• 37:50
  that. So a judge bearing in mind, so
• 37:53
  this judge in, in Rob's case had Rob and the council in front of
• 37:56
  him and we, and that the same sign now that judge has also got
• 38:00
  a case in front, not in front of him.
• 38:02
  I, I might add a case that had been opened, but we let him know
• 38:05
  there's a case for blackmail have been opened against the
• 38:08
  council. So the judge in this case has
• 38:10
  knowledge of the fact that if he sends Rob down, that could be an
• 38:14
  unsafe conviction because there's a case in the High Court
• 38:16
  now for blackmail against the very council that are trying to
• 38:19
  get Rob sent down, right? Yeah.
• 38:23
  So this is, I mean, The thing is that it's all so complicated
• 38:27
  because I mean, what would you say to, to a lot of, there's a
• 38:30
  lot of people out there who are, are are, you know, looking at
• 38:33
  this in, in different ways We've got and they all argue.
• 38:37
  What would you say? Why would you say your your
• 38:40
  system is is is is working and there's possibly isn't?
• 38:45
  Or do you not look at anybody else's work?
• 38:47
  I don't. Tend to look at anyone else's
• 38:49
  work, Sandy. I'm obviously aware of the other
• 38:52
  arguments that are right there. So so again, it works because
• 38:56
  it's not my system. That's why it works.
• 38:59
  It works because it's not Clive Edwards's system.
• 39:02
  It works because that's the very foundations, the pillars of what
• 39:06
  the United Kingdom is built upon the king himself Don's two
• 39:10
  crimes. The Bible states that the powers
• 39:13
  that be are ordained of God. So these things are the
• 39:17
  fundamental principles that govern the Commonwealth
• 39:20
  countries and I would argue the countries of the world, but
• 39:24
  certainly the Commonwealth countries.
• 39:27
  And and. All of the Acts of Parliament,
• 39:29
  all of the Acts of Parliament talk about God and talk of
• 39:33
  Lord's spiritual Lord's common. Now there there's a the so I'll
• 39:39
  also mention another act of Parliament called the Confession
• 39:42
  of Faith Ratification Act 1560. Now that act of Parliament
• 39:46
  states that the Bible's the infallible truth and the Bible
• 39:51
  states not to subject yourself to a king, an earthly king.
• 39:54
  So we've clearly got 2 systems evidence just from the fact that
• 39:58
  the legal system says God and the Bible are the truth and the
• 40:02
  and God and the Bible says don't, don't submit yourself to
• 40:05
  that system. So.
• 40:08
  It's really down to Do you believe in God or are you
• 40:13
  secular? Because there's, that's massive.
• 40:16
  That's that's huge, Sandy. Yeah.
• 40:18
  Because, listen, I was going to come on today and and the
• 40:22
  question I was going to pose to your audience is do you believe
• 40:25
  in freedom? What does freedom mean to your
• 40:27
  audience? Do they believe they're free?
• 40:29
  Now, I would struggle to believe that many of them would put
• 40:31
  their hand up and say, yes, I'm free.
• 40:33
  Certainly not, not in these times.
• 40:35
  We're we're we're under now. I've freed myself from the
• 40:38
  state. Now that's a bold statement to
• 40:40
  make, but that's true. I mean, what's the definition of
• 40:44
  freedom? I don't know what the definition
• 40:46
  is, but I'll tell you what it looks like.
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  I've built a farm without asking the government for permission to
• 40:50
  do so. That means I'm completely free
• 40:53
  of their jurisdiction. None of their taxes apply to me.
• 40:57
  Obviously, we all pay taxes in some way.
• 40:59
  When I go and fill the car up at a petrol station, I'm paying
• 41:01
  VAT. You can't escape some.
• 41:03
  But I don't pay income tax. I don't pay any of these tax
• 41:06
  says in the Bible it's unlawful to pay tax.
• 41:09
  So I've removed myself from the jurisdiction.
• 41:11
  So I would I'm free. This says in the Bible that
• 41:14
  Jesus yoke is a light yoke. So you're right to point out the
• 41:19
  fact. Yeah, I feel sorry for atheists
• 41:23
  because they can never attain freedom and they can't.
• 41:26
  It's impossible. They're always be on demand.
• 41:29
  This this. This, I mean, this, this kind of
• 41:32
  story of the, the duality that we're living in is bringing a
• 41:36
  lot of people back to what, what are my core beliefs?
• 41:40
  You know, when you've got a corrupt system and you've got,
• 41:43
  you know, the, the, the, the world actually descending into
• 41:46
  chaos, people are beginning to, to question what, you know, who
• 41:53
  is in charge, what, what is there a battle going on between,
• 41:56
  you know, a fundamental good and evil.
• 42:00
  And I, I think a lot of people are seeing that.
• 42:03
  So your work often connects the Scripture and the spiritual law
• 42:06
  to earthly governance. Do you see natural law as
• 42:11
  literally divine, an expression of, of God's order?
• 42:16
  If so, how does that challenge the secular legal system?
• 42:19
  Then how does so Sandy? I'm I'm just an ordinary guy,
• 42:24
  OK? Like I, I say I'm, I'm a
• 42:26
  Carpenter by trade and for me like A + B has to equal C or I
• 42:31
  often make the joke. Obviously in carpentry terms, if
• 42:34
  you're cutting rafters, it's a ^2 + b ^2 = C ^2.
• 42:37
  But so listen, natural law that's that doesn't mean
• 42:43
  anything to me. I can't get what where can I go
• 42:46
  and evidence it? I need evidence to free myself
• 42:49
  from this day. I need to point at fact.
• 42:51
  I need to point at their paperwork and rules that they
• 42:54
  accept to be true evidence. I need to show, I need to show
• 42:57
  the council evidence. So natural law is means nothing
• 43:01
  to me, not to me. So, but I'll tell you there's an
• 43:05
  act of Parliament, as I've said, that says the Bible is the
• 43:07
  infallible truth. So I went, no, I wouldn't have
• 43:10
  gone so far. As I say, I was an atheist.
• 43:12
  That would have been a hard line that I wouldn't have crossed.
• 43:14
  But like, don't talk to me about the Bible 15 years ago.
• 43:17
  I wasn't interested, but but my enemies, the state say that that
• 43:22
  book's true. So I thought I'd best go and
• 43:25
  have a look at it. So when when I talk about God
• 43:31
  and God and and God's law and that doctrine of the lawful
• 43:34
  doctrine, I talk about what the Bible talks about.
• 43:38
  And now, because I can go there, just like you can go to an act
• 43:42
  of Parliament and quote Section 2 clause, AI can go to Job 3222
• 43:50
  and quote that and they understand it.
• 43:52
  They've authorised the version of the Bible called the King
• 43:54
  James Version 1611. The Crown has said if you want
• 43:57
  to talk to us about the Bible you can use that one.
• 44:00
  So I did, and when I started quoting that book at that
• 44:03
  council, they ran a mile. That's really interesting.
• 44:08
  Now which council was that? That was Mendip in those days,
• 44:11
  was it? Yeah, it was.
• 44:12
  Yeah, yeah. And of course since then I've, I
• 44:15
  mean, I've learnt a heck of a lot since my early days of
• 44:18
  Mendip. And since then I've, I've, I've
• 44:21
  helped people now because listen, if you get these
• 44:24
  arguments right, you don't need to go to court.
• 44:27
  They won't take me to court. I mean, I've asked them and I
• 44:30
  know why they won't take me to court because I'm one of the
• 44:31
  people and a judge is judged for God and it's punishment enough
• 44:35
  for a judge that he's, he's judged by God.
• 44:38
  Why on earth would they want one of gods under in his courtroom
• 44:42
  sat under a, a Crest that says God and my right.
• 44:45
  All these judges in the crown courts sit under a Crest with a
• 44:49
  lion and a Unicorn. It says Duet Montouat is French
• 44:52
  and it means God and my right. So gods are not gods in the
• 44:56
  courtrooms. Right.
• 44:59
  So, so they're using they're they're using this to to really
• 45:03
  lure people into their jurisdiction in a way or, or is
• 45:06
  it that they, they, I'm, I'm trying to work it out.
• 45:10
  Really. How?
• 45:10
  Yeah, I've noticed that an awful lot of people who are doing this
• 45:14
  common law work do end up in courts and they fail because
• 45:19
  they're not. I don't know if you.
• 45:22
  Yeah, I don't know if you're confused in what I do with
• 45:24
  common law because I've written an article called the Common
• 45:27
  Common Law Trap for Commoners, where I where I denounce common
• 45:31
  law because the clue's in the title, common law is for the
• 45:36
  commoners and commoners are subject to the king.
• 45:39
  The Bible is what's known as the royal law.
• 45:42
  So I follow the royal law where you're not even allowed to tell
• 45:45
  a lie. And the commoners, the subjects
• 45:48
  of King Charles, they're under common law in the Commonwealth.
• 45:53
  So it's not common law, it's God's law I follow.
• 45:56
  God, yeah, The royal law, that's what I follow.
• 45:59
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 46:01
  OK. And so I mean, I mean, could,
• 46:05
  could argue that you know, is, is your, is it natural law or is
• 46:10
  is it natural law or well, you what?
• 46:12
  Sandy, what You tell me, what does natural law mean?
• 46:15
  You tell me, what does that mean?
• 46:17
  Well, it's the law. Law of nature of God's creation
• 46:21
  can I what? Section.
• 46:22
  What section can I go and quote to keep the council off my back
• 46:24
  when they want to bulldoze my farm?
• 46:26
  Can I, can you give me a section?
• 46:28
  Can you give me a, do you know what I mean?
• 46:30
  Do you see my point? That's why I don't.
• 46:32
  I don't know what natural law means, but I know what I know
• 46:35
  what the Bible is. I know that's God's word.
• 46:38
  I know that's his instruction of how mankind should live their
• 46:41
  life and how they should be on this earth.
• 46:44
  So I go there and quote that because I can.
• 46:47
  Natural law to me. I don't know what that means.
• 46:51
  OK, and and. Natural law.
• 46:52
  If you get 10 people in a room, natural law might mean 10
• 46:56
  different things to those 10 different people.
• 46:58
  But the Bible means the same thing to the the Bible is an
• 47:02
  infallible truth. Right.
• 47:05
  This is, I mean, I, I find this fascinating because all your
• 47:08
  critics come from and that there have been, I mean, you did a, a,
• 47:12
  an interview with lovely Rachel the other day.
• 47:15
  And I've seen the, the barrage of, you know, from, from people
• 47:19
  like, I don't know, people that have said this is, you know,
• 47:22
  that, that, you know, you're things like the, the people act
• 47:27
  governs the right to vote and all this kind of thing.
• 47:30
  So how would you stand up to people that are doing the whole
• 47:35
  natural law or common law? Because you've got different
• 47:38
  factions, you've got the straw, the freeman on the land.
• 47:41
  That's common law, isn't it? And that always fails, I
• 47:44
  believe. So I can't.
• 47:45
  Speak to what others are doing. I can only speak to what I've
• 47:47
  done. So what I've done is built a
• 47:49
  farm. I've wrote a letter to the head
• 47:51
  of Mendit District Council, told him beforehand that I was going
• 47:54
  to do so. They sent the police an
• 47:56
  enforcement round for a few years.
• 47:58
  We've had a chat. They sent a planning law expert
• 48:01
  to have a meeting with me. We had a chat.
• 48:03
  They went away and I'm still building my farm.
• 48:06
  So these people, these people talking about other thing I
• 48:11
  mean, and I can evidence it. My whole website is evidence
• 48:14
  based. So I've looked at your.
• 48:16
  Website it is, it is amazing. And I think what we've got to
• 48:20
  really drill it down to is is you that you you're saying you
• 48:26
  have a choice. You can either be in that system
• 48:29
  or you can be in in this system. And this system you're free.
• 48:32
  In this system you're not free. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:35
  But one thing. I've never said I've never said
• 48:37
  it's. It's easy, no?
• 48:41
  I've. Never said it's easy, but it can
• 48:43
  be done. Now I would say that because
• 48:45
  look, when I brought these discussions to Mendit District
• 48:48
  Council, I'm not sure they've ever had any one of the people
• 48:51
  come forward before and make the arguments that I've made.
• 48:53
  I don't know for sure, but from their reaction, I think they, I
• 48:57
  don't think that they've had these discussions before and
• 49:00
  this argument put to them, but they did go away.
• 49:04
  So yeah, I mean, I would say like the proofs in the pudding,
• 49:09
  I would say I had to keep myself out of prison because it was in
• 49:12
  AI had 9 enforcement officers, 9 planning enforcement notices
• 49:16
  against me and each one's an indictable offence.
• 49:19
  So that means each one, if they beat you on one or two, that
• 49:22
  means I've still got 6-7 or eight still to go and each one
• 49:25
  can send you to prison. So it's a very serious situation
• 49:28
  that I was in, but I managed to navigate my way through it using
• 49:32
  the Bible and using the some of the things that I talk about on
• 49:36
  my website. And so, yeah, I, I don't like, I
• 49:40
  say, it's not my system. It's the system that King
• 49:42
  Charles advocates. And it's a system that the
• 49:46
  legislation the UK Acts of Parliament point to and they
• 49:49
  defer to. So it's the system that
• 49:52
  society's itself is built upon. So what are you saying that?
• 49:57
  Sorry, I missed that Prince. Prince Charles?
• 50:00
  You advocate his system or you don't?
• 50:02
  No, sorry, I said King. Charles advocates that the
• 50:04
  Bible's the infallible truth. He.
• 50:07
  He has a. Wears a crown of office, the
• 50:09
  Saint Edward's crown, that's reflects the jurisdiction of
• 50:12
  God. And so I I just aligned myself
• 50:17
  with the highest position at law that I could be in, that being
• 50:20
  one of God's people under the doctrines of the Bible.
• 50:24
  So the. Let's just go through at the
• 50:26
  coronation, he went, is it St Edmund or Saint Saint Edward's
• 50:30
  Crown? It's the Saint Edward.
• 50:31
  'S crown, yeah, yeah. What?
• 50:34
  What? Why does he don't?
• 50:36
  Because he that's the conduit to God.
• 50:38
  Is it? It's the.
• 50:39
  It's called the. Crown.
• 50:40
  It's known as the Crown of God. Yeah, right.
• 50:43
  So the the other. Crown is the Imperial crown and
• 50:46
  Imperial. Imperial means Roman.
• 50:49
  Yeah, and. That's the.
• 50:50
  That's the crown of state. So is that?
• 50:53
  So that your People's Choice, it's your theme of whose God or
• 50:57
  the Roman statutory level. Yeah, that's why.
• 51:00
  All these main states of office swear oaths.
• 51:03
  Oaths are to a deity, to something higher than mankind,
• 51:07
  Yeah. So all of these.
• 51:09
  Main states of office swear oaths, and the oaths again point
• 51:13
  to something higher than mankind, right?
• 51:18
  Well, it's. I mean, it, it, it's a, an
• 51:20
  absolute, you know, this is, this is really getting to the
• 51:24
  nitty gritty of it. Because what I love about you is
• 51:26
  that you, you, you actually, you're not listening to, to all
• 51:29
  the other noise. You're just doing your thing and
• 51:32
  it's working. And yeah, I couldn't listen to.
• 51:36
  The other noise, Sandy, because no one else is going to help me
• 51:39
  if I go to prison. I could only rely on.
• 51:42
  That's what I mean when I say that's why it's so important to
• 51:44
  me. Evidence is is key.
• 51:46
  If you don't have evidence, you don't have an argument.
• 51:49
  So for me, I had to. I was like, I was like
• 51:51
  blindfolded in the dark and I was feeling around like, what on
• 51:55
  earth is this system of law and governance?
• 51:57
  So when I find the hard bit of evidence I had, I hung on to it
• 52:03
  and I was able to. What do you make of the, the
• 52:06
  whole birth certificate thing? You know, when you're born?
• 52:09
  Because that again, is, is, is a bit free man on the land, isn't
• 52:12
  it? The the whole, the whole your
• 52:14
  birth certificate makes you, you know, a legal fiction sort of
• 52:17
  thing. Do you believe?
• 52:18
  Do you Do you go along with that?
• 52:21
  The birth certificate, well, the birth certificate for a start,
• 52:25
  is not called a birth certificate.
• 52:26
  It's called a certified copy of an entry.
• 52:30
  So that's what the document itself says.
• 52:32
  And on the bottom of that document it says warning not to
• 52:36
  be used as evidence of identity. That's true it.
• 52:40
  Says that on your birth certificate, doesn't it?
• 52:42
  Yeah, so. So that name on that certificate
• 52:45
  is evidence of a of a what's known as a legal name.
• 52:48
  But that legal name is clearly not your identity.
• 52:51
  It's not your name because it says on the bottom not don't use
• 52:55
  it as your identity. And a name is a, a key
• 52:57
  identifier. So it, it evidences, yeah, a
• 53:01
  legal construct, a legal, it's evidence of a title that allows
• 53:05
  you to do business in the United Kingdom.
• 53:08
  Because we're to be in, like Jesus said, you're to be in the
• 53:12
  world, but not of the world, right.
• 53:15
  So as one of the people we still have to interact with the world,
• 53:19
  with the secular you, you know, you still have, you know,
• 53:23
  there's a bank account. You, you need a, a bank account
• 53:25
  in today's society. So to get a bank account, you'll
• 53:29
  need a birth certificate. And that's all that is.
• 53:31
  It's a, it's a tool to enable God's people to use a bank
• 53:38
  account. But the bank account is not my
• 53:40
  bank account. And, and the name on the birth
• 53:42
  certificate is not my, not my name.
• 53:44
  It says so on their own document, so to a degree.
• 53:46
  You have to play that in order to to to actually function.
• 53:50
  You have to use that system a little bit.
• 53:51
  Yeah, to be in the world. But not of it, as Jesus said.
• 53:55
  Yeah. And Mary and Joseph.
• 53:57
  Mary and Joseph took Jesus to be taxed.
• 54:00
  It says in the Bible to be taxed.
• 54:03
  And if you look at the Strong's Concordance of the word taxed,
• 54:06
  it's registered. So even Jesus was registered.
• 54:10
  He was wasn't. He because they went they went
• 54:13
  miles to to do it, didn't they? Yes, so there you go.
• 54:17
  That's Roman. That's.
• 54:18
  Roman law, yeah, that's. Exactly.
• 54:20
  Imperial crane. Roman crane.
• 54:23
  Yeah, the humans were. At it then 2000 years over 2000
• 54:27
  years ago and they haven't stopped.
• 54:29
  No, very true. Yeah, yeah.
• 54:33
  You know, if, for instance, you you opt out of statutory law,
• 54:38
  you know, could it could it be that if everyone did this, would
• 54:43
  it result in chaos? I mean, you do envision A moral
• 54:46
  and orderly society operating under God's law, because this is
• 54:50
  all very individualistic. So if everyone did this
• 54:53
  individually, would, you know, would it operate under God's law
• 54:58
  without any kind of centralised government?
• 55:00
  How would this work in your, in your imagined wonderful utopia
• 55:04
  of everyone following this? How would it be?
• 55:06
  What would it look like? Yeah.
• 55:08
  It's not my imagined utopia, it's what God commands.
• 55:11
  Sorry, yes. So.
• 55:13
  It's not individualistic because I'm just following Christ and
• 55:17
  the word of God. Yeah.
• 55:18
  So we're. Called to be members of the body
• 55:21
  of Christ, not members of the body of Parliament.
• 55:25
  Yeah. So I'm a.
• 55:26
  Member of the body of Christ. So if you leave the, the world,
• 55:30
  the secular world, which we've already said is immoral, lacks
• 55:33
  ethics and is godless, I'll take the other one, thanks.
• 55:37
  I'll take the godly one with Christ as at the helm rather
• 55:41
  than Keir Starmer. I, I think I know where my where
• 55:44
  my moralities like lay, if you know what I mean.
• 55:48
  So, yeah. And, and it's not follow, the
• 55:50
  only one you've got to follow is Christ.
• 55:52
  So it's not an individualistic thing.
• 55:55
  It's already been done for us just and, and it's called the
• 55:59
  royal law. So you can abide by the common
• 56:00
  law with the commoners where you can lie, cheat, and all of that
• 56:05
  involved in secular life, which is immoral and lacking in
• 56:08
  ethics. Or you can walk back to your
• 56:11
  father under the moral, under the royal law.
• 56:14
  And obviously there you're not allowed to tell lies, cheat or
• 56:17
  steal. And but the yoke is lighter, as
• 56:20
  Jesus said. Yeah.
• 56:22
  Do you know there's so much about this that that absolutely
• 56:26
  I understand and I I realise and I mean, do you think it is down
• 56:32
  to. I mean, certainly looking at
• 56:34
  some of the critics that that have gone against you this only
• 56:39
  this morning. I just found this whole sort of
• 56:41
  thing and I thought is it because I people don't like you
• 56:45
  talking about God and Jesus do they is it is that do you think
• 56:48
  it's it's their innate kind of we're not having this.
• 56:52
  This is yeah, I it. May may be Sandy, that may be
• 56:56
  something in that. And there's also that tall poppy
• 57:00
  syndrome thing, isn't it? I, I don't know.
• 57:02
  I've only come on the Internet in the last two years because I
• 57:05
  could see where think that things were getting extremely
• 57:08
  serious. Now I consider myself free of
• 57:11
  the state. So I'm sat in my little farm in
• 57:13
  Somerset looking at the news and looking at everything that's
• 57:16
  going on, thinking, well, I've got some of these answers that
• 57:18
  some of these citizens might need to hear.
• 57:21
  So I thought I'll I'll stick my head above the parapet, I'll
• 57:25
  shout. I'll shout as loud as I can for
• 57:27
  as long as I can. And that's why I'm, that's why
• 57:31
  I'm on the Internet now. And I'm quite happy to go back
• 57:33
  to my farm in Somerset and, and, and, but I don't believe I'm
• 57:36
  cool to do that. I believe now is the time.
• 57:39
  I believe now is the time for people to stand up.
• 57:42
  And yeah, it takes a certain character to be able to do that.
• 57:46
  And I'm not really worried about the common.
• 57:48
  I'm not really worried about commentators who have not, have
• 57:52
  got no skin in the game. I risk my freedom.
• 57:55
  And a lot of these common, a lot of these commentators are
• 57:57
  anonymous. Well, I'm not anonymous and I've
• 58:01
  risked everything. Yeah.
• 58:03
  Yeah, No, I, I, I totally get where you're coming from.
• 58:06
  And I respect your, your conviction and, and, and your
• 58:09
  faith and everything. I absolutely 100% respect that.
• 58:14
  And I think it, it's difficult when you've got, you have got a
• 58:17
  lot of people saying a lot of conflicting things.
• 58:20
  And I've seen people, you know, as I said, going in, going into
• 58:22
  their jurisdiction into, into the secular courts and losing.
• 58:27
  And you won't even step into that.
• 58:29
  You you're just kind of saying, right, I'm, I'm doing this.
• 58:31
  I'm doing the other thing. Yeah.
• 58:33
  A lot of strength and courage to do that.
• 58:35
  Yeah. Well, I I thought.
• 58:36
  I was going to have to go to court.
• 58:38
  I thought that was part of the process where you may have to go
• 58:40
  before a secular judge that judges for God and you get
• 58:43
  judged in this realm by a, by an earthly judge.
• 58:46
  But as it's turned out, because I mean, I've, I've come to
• 58:50
  understand this system extremely well to A to a very good degree,
• 58:55
  where I whereby I like a second evidence everything I talk
• 58:58
  about. So they don't even want me in
• 59:01
  their courts anymore. That's how that's the situation
• 59:05
  I'm at now. I'm not saying I'm, I don't
• 59:07
  know. I may at some point I may have
• 59:09
  to go to court. I don't know, but it doesn't
• 59:11
  concern me. I'm not worried about it because
• 59:12
  I understand how the how the law works.
• 59:15
  And if one of those judges are sat under an emblem that says
• 59:18
  God am my right. And I know that that judge in
• 59:21
  front of me as there's a, there's a maximum of law that
• 59:25
  says it's punishment enough for a judge to know that he's judged
• 59:28
  by God, then I know his soul's on the line when he's talking to
• 59:32
  one of gods. Is he is he really going to harm
• 59:35
  one of gods? I think it's Matthew 18-6 that
• 59:38
  says, don't you offend one of my little ones or be or be better
• 59:42
  for you. If you had a millstone around
• 59:43
  your neck and you're at the bottom of the sea now, a judge,
• 59:46
  a judge understands the system extremely well and he will
• 59:50
  understand that quote very well. So why on earth, if I was a
• 59:55
  judge, I would not want one of the people who understood how
• 59:58
  the system works to this degree in front of me, risking my soul
• 1:00:02
  for the for the next part of our journey.
• 1:00:04
  This earthly realm means this is irrelevant.
• 1:00:07
  It's what we do here that reflects as we go on.
• 1:00:10
  In my opinion anyway. No, no, no.
• 1:00:12
  I. I, I kind of get that
• 1:00:14
  completely. You know, it's, it's, this is a,
• 1:00:17
  this has been a fantastic conversation.
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  I mean, we've what, because we're, we're drawing to an hour
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  and we, we can just go over a little bit.
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  But what if you've got anything now that you want to say to the
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  UK column audience here? What would it be your final sort
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  of message really that that you'd like to talk about?
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  Thank you, Sandy. Yeah, firstly, I'd like to thank
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  you for inviting me on and, and pressing and and pressing the
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  questions as you have done and as you should do because people
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  you, you should never take anyone's word for anything.
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  You should go and research it yourself.
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  And, and if people want do want to look further.
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  I've put a lot of this together in one place at my website,
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  which. But So what I would say is what
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  I talk about this legal system, the system is not commonly
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  understood, Sandy. It's frighteningly it's, it's
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  frightens me how how little the citizenry understand about how
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  they are governed. And So what I would say is,
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  look, we're we're entering into very serious times, digital ID
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  when you know full well I've seen your work, I know what you
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  talk about, it's serious. We know what the farmers are
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  going through. We know what the government are
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  trying to do to the farmers and the food supply it we're in
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  serious, serious times. That's why I've come out of the
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  out of the woodwork and started explaining this stuff.
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  It's not something I'm terribly comfortable with.
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  I'm quite a private guy. But I feel these times it
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  requires people to stand up and and be counted.
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  And well, if I if what I talk about, and if my example can
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  help a few a few citizens become people once more, than that'll
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  do me. That's fantastic.
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  So where can we find you and how do you know how do obviously
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  you've got visit capillarywave.com, isn't it?
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  That's right, that's my. Website Sandy I'm on YouTube.
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  Clive Edwards walk in the talk. If you search Clive Edwards on
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  on YouTube, you'll see a picture similar to this sat in my studio
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  which AKA campervan. So yeah, you'll find me on
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  YouTube and I'm not too hard to find.
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  No, I think. That's brilliant.
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  And what I love about you, Clive, is that you're actually
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  very humble. You, you know, it's, it's all
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  about, you know, you you're doing God's work.
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  You're not doing, you know, it's not about you.
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  It's about something higher. And so, yeah, it's very kind of
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  you to say. So, Sandy, Yeah.
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  It's not about me. Christ has done all the hard
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  work. He's done it.
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  He's done the hard work. All you have to do is follow
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  him. Don't follow me.
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  I'm infallible. He wasn't.
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  He wasn't. Brilliant.
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  Well, listen, I, I just want to say thank you.
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  I don't know whether there's anything else that, that you
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  want to, to throw in. I think you've explained it
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  brilliantly, but if there is something, say so now because
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  we've still got a couple of minutes if you want to.
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  No, I think. I think, I think we've covered
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  it pretty well, Sandy. Yeah.
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  I mean, I'm always happy to come back to Part 2 another time.
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  If your audience so desires I'd be, I'd be more than happy to do
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  so. Lovely.
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  Well. Bless you.
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  Thanks so much, Clive. It's been absolutely fascinating
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  speaking. I could talk to you for hours,
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  actually. Well, we can.
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  Off off camera if you like and it's.
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  Yeah, and I'm still working my way through your website because
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  there's a massive amount on that website to go through.
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  And I would advise our viewers to go go to capillarywave.com,
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  look at it and make your own minds up.
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  And yeah, it certainly resonates with me.
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  It may not with sons, we're all different, but yeah.
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  Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure.
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  Thank you. Sandy, likewise, I've thoroughly
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  enjoyed it. Thank you.