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the show. This is episode number two hundred and seventy Diary of a Madman.
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Maybe maybe not? What's up? This is Triple Rob Clark here with
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you inside my most handsome and scarred up co host Joe Borelli. What's up,
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Joe? Good morning, mister Rock, and good morning to all of
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our faithful listeners who have joined us this morning, and I'm sure more will
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trickle in as we go along. Yep, we have a fun episode,
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I think today plan for you guys. We do? You know, I
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started looking into this, you know, this whole Oswald's historic diary thing,
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right, and I came across so much other writing that Oswald actually did that
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I never even knew about, you know, and it's pretty interesting upon reading
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it what this guy's mental capacity was, because you know, you think,
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oh he you know, he dropped out of school in tenth grade. He
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went to fifteen different scho He's dumb. He doesn't know how to spell right,
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and you think him mentally incapable of doing the things that they credited him,
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credited him, credited it added to the list credited to him, as
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you know, for him to have done. And we'll get into some of
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that as well as this historic diary. And Joe, I believe this all
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stems out of a magazine. You acquired a little bit yo, a life
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magazine. Yes, that's the one with Marina's sweet little knockers on it.
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Yep, Hey you're muted. I'm sorry, Yes, And this is from
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July tenth, nineteen sixty four. And her tits are very perky. We
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consulted our boob expert on them. He thought they it is unrestrained, meaning
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there was no bra and they didn't have bras in Russia. They couldn't afford
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him. Interesting or not even necessary, right like why mother? Yeah?
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I mean you already smell like potatoes and vodka at that point, and probably
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they want to take hygiene shut off anyway. But talking about shirts, what
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are you wearing sweat? What are you wearing. Talking about shirts, I'm
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wearing some of our sweet merch. This is the Joey Scars Scooter Wreck commemorative
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T shirt from Lancer twenty twenty three, and it is pretty sweet, folks.
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You know, I figured I can't tell you guys to go buy some
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merch without trying it myself, you know, and buying it ourselves. Yeah.
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I mean it's it's a good quality T shirt. I made this design
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myself and uploaded it and it came out really good, very colorful, and
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uh, it's pretty sweet. I like it. And well, Joe you
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looks like you have a shirt on there too. Silk City, baby,
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look at that representing the Hot Sauce. Look a dragon in the middle.
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It's so cool. And uh, you know I didn't get this from you,
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No, obviously, I'm still waiting on you got it from Silk City
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because you bought like a hundred bottles of freaking hot sauce from them. Oh,
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I just bought like two or three. I you know, I don't
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even have a Silk City T shirt. I simply just asked. I said,
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hey, you guys have any cool merch. Because I used to work
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in sales and for startups, and I know for a fact that there's closets
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of merch and things like that, and I asked and they gave one to
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me, and it was very nice. Thinking about asking them for a ban
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or or something, you know, to hang hang like back behind us,
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something like that, that would be cool. They might not have that in
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the inventory, but they'll make it for you, I'm sure. Yeah,
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so yeah, thank you to everyone who did buy some merch. My merch
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hoodie has yet to arrive. I just bought the Lone Gunman one I believe
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the last day, and it's going to be arriving Tuesday, so I will
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be displaying it next week on our episode. Yes, sadly, Scott,
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they did not decide to go with my eaments design on spreadshirt for whatever reason.
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Apparently Jack Ruby's face is a copyright infringement. But who the hell knows?
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Everything we do, we get in trouble for something, everything we turned
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around or whatever. We just every time and we can't figure it out.
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Why we cannot figure out the algorithm to save our life. Yeah, so
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fuck it, we'll get there. Yeah, Hey, easy Joe, that
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algorithm is gonna hear vanishes to the far far ends of the YouTube rabbit Hole.
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Hey, now we're going bombs away for the rest of the episode.
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I don't have to worry about it. I already already already nicked it for
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us. A few dollars will make off it, all right. So let's
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get into this historic diary, Joe. Yes, So, I guess Oswald
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had written this at some point. I don't know when. It's not necessarily
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in a diary per se, it's just on paper. And I know he
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spent a good bit of money for him to get this thing typed up when
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he was home. I don't know if he did it, and I think
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he did it when he was in Texas. I had to have it typed
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up. Yeah, And I think he thought that, you know, he
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was going to get it published and he would become, you know, famous.
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But I don't know who's going to buy a twelve's twelve page book about
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some idiots, you know, three year span in Russia. You know,
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the Historic Diary is one thing. To me. The other thing that he
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wrote in Russia is much more interesting than the Historic Diary, where he wrote
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about the life of a Russian worker, which sounds to me and after reading
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it to me. To me, it sounds like an intelligence report. You
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know, it's very specific in certain areas about money, government, worker life,
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life in general, you know, in Russia. Well, let's get
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into the diary and okay, see what we can see. What we can
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find here, buddy, great. So it starts on October sixteenth, nineteen
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fifty nine. That is the first entry. And this is from the Life
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magazine publication of the diary, so you know, who knows what they might
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have taken out, but October sixteenth, nineteen fifty nine is the first day.
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And this is just a screenshot of his writing. It is very hard
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to decipher, but thankfully like a mix of cursive and block, which is
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interesting. You gotta wonder if that's maybe a tactic. But yeah, and
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then we found online the version without all the spelling errors and everything, and
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without this type of writing, so we didn't have to struggle with that.
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As some of you might remember, we had another cursive letter we were trying
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to decipher recently. I'm forbidden to making a reference on the name of that,
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but I just want to share a couple of pictures that were in the
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magazine that were kind of cool. I probably saw them before, but I
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didn't remember seeing them. This is him and Marina and Minsk. Now see,
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let me stop you right there, Joe, before we get too far
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clicking through here. Sure, so again as a no go back, as
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a tourist, okay you want to be you can't just probably be walking along
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there and blatantly be like taking pictures of government buildings and and things like that,
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but under the guise of this is me and my wife here taking a
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picture, you know, blah blah blah. You know, we get I
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don't even know what buildings these are. I'm sure it's been analyzed by its
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inn, the mins, the mints skyline, right, but we don't know.
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I don't know what exact buildings these represent. I mean, they look
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like official it's not houses, you know what I mean. It looks like
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a factory on the left, and definitely some type of communist party. I
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think there's a If you look in the middle on the top right, there's
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a picture of someone hanging down from there. You can't tell who it is,
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but it looks like he's got his big, big gulp sitting there on
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the wall. I mean, you know it's it's you know, it's hard
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to figure out what's going on here, what's in the background. But you
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know, if you can get out of Russia with these pictures, you know,
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they could be of some value to some intelligence agency, like hey,
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look, this is the factory I was working at here, and right over
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here was the parliament building blah blah, bah blah. You know, and
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they would have some kind of a visual aid. Yeah, that's a good
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point. Yeah. And the next one we have here is Lee with Marina
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on the top right and the description and it was a family outing on a
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warm day in Minsk in nineteen sixty two. Lee and his wife Marina right
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pose in the country with her uncle Vacilly. Oh boy, here we go,
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Chritinen and aunt lebov axel nova nine. Chance he didn't he didn't pronounce
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either one of those right, Oh for sure. Uh, but pronounce the
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nation pronounciation. Don't. Don't try to screw me up here. And uh,
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it's interesting when we go through this diary that you know a lot of
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his family. You know, Marina didn't really have parents, right, or
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she was staying with her uncle and her aunt. I believe, Am I
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wrong about that? Rock? Just fact check me here? Before she met
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no idea, just her uncle. She doesn't really speak about her aunt much.
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I don't know if this is the same uncle that was allegedly in their
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version of the FBI the Actually I can't remember what it's called now, but
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yeah, but everyone knows what we're talking about. But as we'll come to
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see later, they were actually quite approving of this, which is weird in
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itself. Uh, just considering the propaganda that was going on then in the
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USSR. So I'm gonna move on to the next one. Here Marina looks
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miserable and Oswald looks happy. She actually made a comment that said, this
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is not my favorite picture of me. All right, Yeah, that hairstyle
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is atrocious. Yeah, this is Lee making a fire, so we can
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now conclusively prove that he had fire making abilities. That's a show. But
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David Ferry taught him. Well, oh yeah, yeah, true, your
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yeah, Look I respect the style. Look at that flannel shirt with the
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vest and oversized loose corduroys. Yeah, I know, man's. They didn't
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have tailors in Russia either. I don't know I made it. Yes,
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yes, on Thursdays you wear these. Uh. And on the right,
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it's just a family portrait and yeah, just interesting pictures that you know.
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I like collecting little JFK relicks here and there, first edition books, magazines
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and things like that. This is a picture that Lee snapped of Marina.
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That is June, obviously, and uh I believe this was I read this
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was on their way back. That's not real. She's not real. Who
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the baby? Oh go back to the last picture now, people, is
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that picture on the right, Look at the baby real close? Joe,
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does that look like a real baby? Oh? Sorry, I touched my
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touch screen. Uh, I don't know, but it reminds it reminds me
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of that movie with with I mean, I'm sure it is. Just when
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they had that fake child and he was he was moving it with his finger.
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It was like the Lone Sniper, the you know, the Sniper movie.
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I'm blanking on it. But maybe I don't know, we can Uh,
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I'm sure some some some Cookerys has said, you know in the past,
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that's a fake child. Yes, thank you, James, m v
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D colonel in the m v D her uncle, Yes, thank you.
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Yes, I appreciate that. And uh, yeah, so that is yeah,
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he says, the baby's not real. Uh so that is the pictures
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that I got from the and how walk was in his doorway. Mhmm,
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yeah, I'm not sure about that one yet. I have to complete Bart's
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book before I make up. Don't don't confuse Bart with routes, Ralph sink
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different, totally different ideas. Bro, you're talking about pr Man. No,
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I'm talking about Billy Lovelady in the Aultians. That he says is oh
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no, that's obviously yeah, yeah, okay, misunderstood fixed. So do
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you want to start reading some of the diary, Rob, Sure, let's
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see. So let's talk about his circuituitous route to Russia. First of all,
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you know, he gets discharged Marine Corps. He goes back to Texas
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for three three days and then goes to New Orleans and hops on a freighter
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and gets taken to England, and from there it takes a train to Helsinki,
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Finland, where he was met by an in tourist representative, and in
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a car it was taken to the hotel Berlin. So everybody always talks about
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how did Oswald know that he could get into Russia via Helsinki? You know,
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that's like some kind of intelligence route, you know, like a like
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a rat line or something, you know, to get these people in there.
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And also, yeah, thank you Paul, you were to man,
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sir. And also like Albert Schweitzer College. You know, how the hell
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did Oswald know about Albert Schweitzer College And that's where he told people he was
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going. He didn't tell people he was going to Russia, you know,
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so all this stuff is very weird. Has and and then his behavior you
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know, once he gets to Russia, because we have accounts from the embassy
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workers there about you know, him wanting to surrender his passport and renounce his
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citizenship and they kind of wouldn't let him, and uh, because he didn't
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say it the exact right way. You know, they said, we'll just
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hold on to this for you, you know type of thing. And then
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you know he wanted his objective was he wanted to stay in Russia and and
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get a visa to stay in Russia. So he does what anybody that's what
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would do. Hey, slitch your wrists, right, but yeah, you
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know the way he did it and the way he describes it in this diary,
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Joe, Yeah, you're going to get to that there, bring it
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up, yes, all right, and its poetically too. He talks poetically.
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You know, you know you're talking about his dreams are over. I
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have one hundred dollars left. I've waited for two years to be accepted here.
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My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official, because of bad
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planning. I planned too much. I decide to end it. I soak
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my wrist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist,
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then plunge my wrist into the bathtub of hot water. I think when
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Rima comes at eight to find me dead, it will be a great shock.
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Somewhere Violin plays in the background as the Moscow Sympathy Moscow Symphony. I
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mean, look, he knew his in tourist guide was going to show up
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at his room at eight o'clock. I mean, his dumb ass wrote that
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in the diary. Okay, so and we all, I think we all
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know now that to complete that task, you don't go this way. You
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go this way, this way, not this way, this way right.
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All this way is going to do is make you bleed a little. And
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you know, of course, you know, having his intours guide show up
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there, he might have let the door open her jar a little bit.
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And she comes in and find him so soak, soaking in a tub of
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uh, you know, bloody water. Yeah, she's gonna freak out,
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but the actual wound itself is probably not that serious, you know, But
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this was his desperate ploy, you know, to try to stay there.
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And even says, I think to myself, how easy to die, and
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a sweet death to violins. And about eight Rema finds my unconscious bathtub water
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a rich red color. She screams, I remember that and runs for help.
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Now he says he First he says he was unconscious, and then he
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says, I remember that. The ambulance comes and I'm taken to the hospital,
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where I get five stitches in my wrist. Poor Rema stays by my
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side as interpreter. My Russian is still very bad. Far into the night,
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I tell her to go home. My mood is bad, but she
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stays she is quote my friend. She say she has a strong will.
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Only at this moment I notice she is pre dy pre d and uh Rob,
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I want to point something out to you really quickly, Yes, you
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said, Rema, Yes, okay. In the nineteen six before article I
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am reading, you probably won't be able to see this it is Olga that
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he is talking to, so I think they might have changed the names.
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It says Olga here all over the place. And I just pulled up the
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diary Lee in his own words, and it's October twenty fourth, US hospital
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routine Reima visits me in the afternoon, October twenty fourth. On the magazine
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it says Olga visits me in the afternoon. I just noticed that interesting,
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just because I have the physical copy and I see Olga like ten times here
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and on the same date that you have Rima visiting him. But so that's
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interesting. I don't know what's going on there. She may have been like
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a Red Cross representative or something, not an in person. Irrelevant, right,
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But Rob, I was going to ask, do you want me?
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Because when Lee did this act of desperation as you described, he was taken
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to the hospital once found, and he was given five stitches. Yes,
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yes, as you know, my name is Joey Scars nickname. I know
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a thing a few about or two about stitches. You know a thing a
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few a few actually, And I don't know if you want me to do
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the to show it. Yeah, you might as well whip it out and
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show everybody why they call you Joey Scarves. I'm not whipping that out,
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but you know what I mean, I'm not James, I remark, but
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okay, show them your baby arm there you go, look at that,
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folks, that's from a shark bite. And how many stitches is that?
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Over? Sixty sixty sixty and actually goes to the insight too. So was
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this, I mean, we have to be careful about what we say,
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was his self deleting ideation type of thing, a ploy, a desperate act,
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like you said, because I think he didn't have a better idea.
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I really don't think he really knew what to do in order to try to
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get them to let him stay there, you know. I mean, he
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tried putting on the big show at the embassy. I'm sure was bugged by
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the Russians and they could hear all this stuff. You know, he's putting
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on this big production. I renounced my you know, American citizenship and blah
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blah blah. And he can tell him whatever he wants, you know,
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but it ultimately comes becomes their decision because obviously he's gonna stick out like a
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sore thumb. They're gonna be wary of any American defector at that time,
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right, especially with so many going there and have never you really you really
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had to prove your case and be very convincing that you really wanted to defect
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there or they would send your ass packing, you know, at the best
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case, if not right back. So they figured, well, you know,
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this guy almost off himself in the bathtub, We're gonna look like assholes
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and the media if this gets out, if he don't let him stay,
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so you know, all right, well shove him off here, give him
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a job and some crappy factory and he can leader's Russian dream far away from
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Yeah. Yeah, uh and uh, I don't know if you saw John's
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comment there, I know my scar business and uh and if only he had
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a scooter, he could have got around Minsk much easier, is it true?
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And but that's what I'm saying, like five stitches for that type of
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attempt is not. I mean, I don't know what the stitching process was
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in the six late fifties in the USSR, but I can guarantee you that
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if you were serious about doing that type of thing, you would have a
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lot more than five stitches. So as someone who has had like one hundred.
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So okay, so that's what yeah, hopefully, uh yeah, we'll
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probably get flagged for like indecent exposure or something. But uh okay, So
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shall we continue with a diary? Do you want they continue? I mean,
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there's not really much in here. It's just, uh, I don't
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know, it's it's it's kind of catering towards making Oswald look like he did
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something important by by defecting and staying there and going through their system and living
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in the communist regime and then coming back, you know, so well a
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couple of things. So if we won't go through the earlier entries, One
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thing I wanted to point out is, according to his diary, the Red
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Cross in Moscow gave him five thousand rubles. He received he spelled receiver,
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but five thousand rubles a huge sum, double explanation mark. Later in Minsk,
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I'm able to earn seventy rubles a month at the factory, it later
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says. On January thirteenth through sixteenth, pay seven hundred dollars rubles a month.
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So that math doesn't really add up the way I'm looking at it now,
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seven rubles to seven hundred. Maybe he made a he missed a zero
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there, but he was also getting seven hundred dollars from the Red Cross in
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Moscow, So he was getting fourteen hundred rubles a month, which I'm sure
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a lot of you've heard this before, was equivalent to the manager at the
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factory he was working at. And I think he bragged about this later in
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the diary or at some point. It's and obviously the Red Cross was you
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know, used as the cover and a way to launder, if you will,
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certain funds to certain tasks and people. And yeah, that would have
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been the perfect thing because there were a lot of defectors that were sent to
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Russia that didn't come back. And but you know, you know, and
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there's been some talk over the years about whether the Oswald that went over there
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to Russia was different than the one that came back, And in fact,
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we just talked about this yesterday on Quick Hits. You know, Everarde j
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Epstein, who was the first generation researcher who were you know, like three
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different books on Oswald, The Inquest and a couple others, recently passed away,
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and you know, he was a big catalyst for the exhumation of Oswald
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and convincing Marina that it's possibly a different person that came back from Russia than
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then went to Russia, because she always said, you know, with his
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as soon as they got back to the United States, his demeanor changed instantly,
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you know, like he was a totally different person. I don't know
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how much validity there is to that, but you know, it's something to
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think about. And then you know, you also have to take into consideration
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Uri Nasenko, right, he was a Soviet defector who defected the United States.
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I believe it was two months after the assassination. And you know,
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he's supposedly a high level Russian Russian KGB agent and he he told CIA that
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as part of his duties, he had personally supervised a KGB file on Lee
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Harvey Oswald while Oswald lived in Russia, and he assured Americans that Oswald had
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no relations with Soviet intelligence and acted without Soviet knowledge. And the assassination of
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President Kennedy, and they tortured this guy for months and months. It was
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a huge deal. Angleton was clashing with other people, whether he was legitimate
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or not, in a kind of distraction to send over a deception, and
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yeah, John Newman covers that a lot. But yeah, very interesting and
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I'm trying to think, you know, he talks about a lot of the
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Russian society, mass gymnastics, compulsatory, compulsory, there's one after work political
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meetings. Yeah's be up to what fifteen meetings a week that they had to
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go to outside of work or during lunch that they could not get paid for,
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and he hated them. And he is still the only person. And
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actually I heard Larry say this on Robbie's podcast that he was the only one
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to have a strike in a Russian factory, as in, we're not getting
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treated well enough. I mean, imagine the balls to do that in Russia
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as a willing or unwitting defector either way. That's yeah. I think it's
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part of his naivetey that you know, he's going to make some kind of
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a change, yes, you know or whatever reason. Yeah, And I
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think that's a good segue to talk about how he he was very political,
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like he was reading a lot on all these geopolitical issues. He probably had
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traveled more in his life than any other twenty two year old and twenty at
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the time when he was in Russia than almost I'd say the vast majority of
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Americans, so he had a lot of context. His library, as you
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said to me this morning, was his best friend. And he was very
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knowledgeable about these things. And when he came back from Russia, he was
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totally disillusioned with the communist society that they had built there, for sure.
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And and people like to point out you know that, you know, this
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diary is full of spelling mistakes. His writing is atrocious, you know,
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and this, that and the other. You got to remember, and like
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I've told Joe that because he was wanted to point this out a couple of
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times. Look, the dude went to like fifteen different schools. He dropped
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out of school in tenth grade. Was a truant, Yeah, didn't like
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school. Probably had a horrible home life, you know, with a single
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mother that was working all the time, not around. So he kind of
34:22
got lost in the world of books, you know. And you know,
34:28
he was a voracious reader. And like I was telling Joe us that,
34:30
you know, it's not surprising that his writing sucks and his spelling sucks.
34:35
And you know, if he was allowed today, he probably been diagnosed as
34:38
dyslexic or possibly on the spectrum in some form of Aspergers where you know you're
34:46
you're really intelligent. Because look, folks, if you go through and read
34:52
what Oswald is supposed to have written by you know, twenty years old,
34:59
twenty one years old, twenty two years old, it's insane to me.
35:06
I didn't know he wrote all this stuff when I started looking at the end
35:08
of this. You know, I knew he wrote the Historic Diary and a
35:13
couple other things, but you know, there's a lot more that he wrote
35:15
that I never knew about. And when you read it, it's like,
35:20
all right, well, this guy is very intelligent. He's what we call
35:25
book smart, but not street smart kind of thing. You know. Yeah,
35:34
he was definitely a voracious reader, and specifically in geopolitical and political ideologies.
35:43
Right as we'll get into later. His Collectivist paper was really a talk
35:53
about how the best political system would have been incorporating some part of capitalism and
36:00
some parts of communism. And you know, this is a young twenty something
36:06
year old who is trying to figure out his life. His beliefs is everything.
36:14
I mean, I think of myself at that age, and like,
36:19
I won't even go there. I know, I was just I was trying
36:22
to get late and get high, you know what I mean. Yeah,
36:25
uh, and this and this guy is defecting to Russia and doing a ton
36:32
of things traveling. But let's get into some of the more suspicious things about
36:42
this diary. So, Joe I came across this, I guess you would
36:49
call a transcript of that old Leonard Nimoy in search of episode In Search of
36:57
Lee Harvey Oswald. Actually, and it aired on August eighth, nineteen eighty
37:00
one, at six point thirty PM and originated from WDCATVO was by me here
37:07
in Washington, d C. Seventy five years and one day before my birthday.
37:14
Yeah, so you know, they talk about different things about Lee Harvey
37:17
Oswald, of course, and then they talk about Leonard Nimoy says. In
37:22
sixty one, Oswald returned to the United States, reclaiming his American citizenship.
37:29
With him, he brought a Russian wife, Marina, and a diary describing
37:32
his life while in Russia. The diary tells the story of a bitter young
37:37
man becoming increasingly disillusioned with the communist system. However, the diary also contained
37:45
some puzzling discrepancies. The narrator, could it be fake? Another attempt by
37:51
the Russians to mislead us. To find out, we went to the National
37:54
Archives in Washington, d C. To interview internationally known handwriting analyst THEA.
38:00
Stein Lewinson. Missus Lewinson had spent more than four months working on the Oswald
38:07
diary, putting it through microscopic scrutiny before she arrived. At her evaluations,
38:13
she says, this is not the spontaneous she said, this is not spontaneous
38:17
writing. It is written very slowly and deliberately. One could assume that possibly
38:25
Oswald copied excerpts from his original notes diary which were given to him by some
38:32
representative of Soviet intelligence, and that he then wrote very slowly in order to
38:37
comply with the demands. However, here and there one can see that he
38:42
gets irritated, and especially at the end of the pages, he frequently gets
38:46
quite fatigued. So I'm guessing she can as a handwriting analysis in the handwritten
38:52
copies of things, you know, she can determine whether something was written fast
38:57
or slow, whether the person writes it was tired or irritated, you know,
39:02
the way that you know the writing might trail off or go slanted,
39:07
or you know, whatever the case may be, that's all part of a
39:09
handwriting analysis. Yeah. So the narrator asked missus Lewison that she believes that
39:17
fatigue and Oswald's writing is shown here by lines that gradually run downhill indicate that
39:22
the complete diary was written in two or three sessions rather than in a day
39:30
by day normal diary or journal entry system. She says, I think that
39:36
Oswald was supervised by Soviet intelligence in order to mislead the Americans at his return
39:43
to the United States, and then they cut to Edward Epstein. As a
39:49
matter of fact, he was also in this. He says. When I
39:52
went through Lee Harvey Oswald's diary, I found two anachronisms, two things that
39:59
were out of date. One was on October thirty first, where he talked
40:01
about the American consul McVicar, who wasn't yet to be the Council for another
40:07
year. The second thing was he talked about rubles in terms of old rubles
40:10
there were ten for a dollar, rather than the new rubles there were one
40:14
for a dollar. This was not a genuine diary. It was a fake.
40:20
It was written after the fact to give Lee Harvey oswaldy legends, so
40:22
that he could explain to the FBI and other people in America what he was
40:27
doing in Russia for over two years. What was he supposed to be doing
40:30
in Russia, not what he was doing, So I think it's important to
40:37
keep that in mind. And yeah, you know, when we're talking about
40:45
his historic diary at all diaries in that sense, right, like the second
40:52
hand information if he was writing it contemporaneously with the fact that he's in the
40:55
embassy trying to give up his passport in nineteen fifty nine and he calls the
41:02
console McVicar. Well, the console at the embassy wasn't McVicker until nineteen sixty,
41:10
so he's writing this looking back instead of at the moment type of thing.
41:15
So, very interesting stuff with the whole Oswall diary, for sure,
41:21
But that's not all he wrote, folks. So Joe, let's get into
41:24
some of this other stuff that he wrote, because there's some interesting stuff here.
41:29
I'll share the first part of his collective not collectivist. Yes, we
41:37
are definitely not going to go through this document, so it is very long,
41:43
but this will give you a good idea of and this was written in
41:51
Russia, right, So this is the kind of risky thing to write.
41:55
He talks about the factory manufacturers eighty seven large powerful radio sixty thousand television sets.
42:05
He talks about the acreage one city block from the north of the main
42:10
thoroughfare, two miles from the city center. See this, screams to me,
42:15
Joe, when he gets so detailed about stuff like that. This is
42:20
an intelligence report disguised as some kind of a essay, you know what I
42:25
mean, you have fifty eight percent women and girls. I mean, what
42:30
did he count? Did he look up everyone's scripts? I mean, but
42:35
my point is that, like, yes, it's very detailed, and it
42:38
explains pretty much, yeah, very descriptive of Russian life and what happens at
42:45
work and with the government, and where places are in concern to other places,
42:52
landmarks, how the money system works, how their political system works,
42:57
what people do over there. You know, this is all behind the Iron
43:00
Curtain type stuff back then. So he's basically collecting intelligence and writing it down
43:07
in the form of an essay, you know, to remember, and you
43:14
know, he got out of Russia with it. If they would have found
43:16
it, I mean, they probably would have said no, no, no,
43:19
no, no no no no no, you put that right there into
43:22
scan. The party secretary is a man that is six feet four inches tall.
43:30
I mean, what you know, significance could that have other than iding
43:37
this party guy in Minsk? Right? Yeah? You know, like why
43:44
would you include six' four and just say he was a man in his
43:46
forties? Right? You're adding all these details that are that would have been
43:55
of interest behind the iron curtain. It was called the eye a curtain for
44:00
a reason because people couldn't get through it and if you did it, no
44:06
information coming out or going in, you know, yeah, and if you
44:08
did get through it, you had a good chance of not coming out.
44:13
So it was very I mean, and and this goes on. I think
44:19
it has four or five parts. I could be wrong about that. Yeah,
44:22
it's very long, and it reads exactly like this, with exact percentages
44:30
people count, description of landmarks and factories, and it's it's thorough. Yeah,
44:45
if that's a good word to sum it up. It's does not read.
44:49
And then again, this is not his diary. We're jumping down to
44:52
an essay he wrote, but it is. But I would recommend everybody go
44:57
read it, and you know, track down and find it and read it
45:00
because it gives you a unique window into how Oswald perceives information and how he
45:08
writes. And to actually answer Jack's question, here was it was? Where
45:14
where was the diary? Founder discovered? Could it possibly be fake? No?
45:20
He actually Oswald brought it back or who knows when I guess he brought
45:23
it back with him. He actually paid someone in Texas to type it up
45:29
for him. He thought he was gonna get it published in somewhere in a
45:36
magazine or something, probably like Life magazine, but there was no interest in
45:40
it whatsoever. So it just kind of became one of those things. I
45:46
guess they found it amongst his possessions after the assassination and uh, you know,
45:53
publish it then in Life magazine that Joe has. Yeah. No,
45:59
I mean I I don't rule that out completely, to be honest, because
46:04
when it comes to diaries, cop uh, you know what I mean,
46:09
you know what I'm talking about. I'm not going to say it, but
46:12
that's a date book, Okay, date book, diary whatever, very hard
46:20
to verify, right, and you're talking about probably third hand information at that
46:27
point, second or third uh, and it's really hard to make solid determinations
46:35
on those type of you know, uh writings. Let's say so, it
46:46
was very interesting. I like collecting JFK relics. You know. One of
46:52
my favorite here is I was Castro's Prisoner, a first edition by John Martin.
47:00
Know, sorry for the glare. Uh pretty cool. I think it
47:05
was for like twenty bucks on Facebook. So I just like and like I
47:07
said, I had, Well, my mom got me the Landis book,
47:13
which I'm not sure I'm going to read. It's not on the top of
47:16
my list. But uh, you just you talked about that in a quick
47:21
hits so we don't need to go into that, which I listened to this
47:23
morning at six am. Thanks for not destroying me. Do you hear the
47:30
very end of it? Though I did. I did, but I got
47:34
the end sound bite that I I am honored. But I based on your
47:38
message to me last night, I was like, oh, f like,
47:45
they're going to completely continue to root me apart in a funny way of course.
47:51
Yeah, And I just let's move on. Joe get to some of
47:55
his other writings here where we Yes, let's do it because we got we
47:59
got a lot to do, and Jerry Reid said, got a long way
48:04
to go in a short time to get there. Okay, which one do
48:08
you want to go to? We don't want to do what they say can't
48:10
be done. Pick one. Well, you had previously talked about his speech
48:21
notes that he wrote on the mas Dam. He wrote two versions of this
48:27
uh of answers to questions based on I guess there's instructions. If you want
48:35
to talk about that for a second row I could, Yeah, this is
48:38
uh let up. I think I talked about this on a previous episode,
48:43
but for those of you haven't heard it yet. As the Oswald's are coming
48:49
back from Russia and coming back to the United States. While on the ship,
48:54
Oswald decided the two he thought he was gonna they were going to hold
49:02
a giant press conference as he's getting off the ship and ask him all these
49:07
questions. So he writes some practice answers and questions down And to me,
49:14
this is the biggest dead giveaway that what he was doing in Russia was on
49:24
behalf of our government because he wrote two versions. He wrote two answers to
49:34
every question, one answer being pro Russia and the other answer being pro United
49:43
States. And what I mean by that, So question one is why did
49:47
you get for you? Yeah, well you can work on it while I
49:52
read. Okay, yeah, uh, he says. The first question is
49:59
going to be why did did you go to the USSR. So his first
50:02
answer is, I went as a mark of disgust and protest against American political
50:08
policies in foreign countries, my personal sign of discontent and horror at the misguided
50:15
line of reasoning in the US government. So that's his pro Russian slants.
50:21
Okay. Version two of the question's answer is this, sir, why did
50:30
you go to the USSR? I went as a citizen of the US,
50:34
as a tourist residing in a foreign country, which I have a perfect right
50:38
to do. I went there to see the land, the people, and
50:42
how their system works. Okay, are you a communist? Have you ever
50:52
known a communist? No, of course not. I've never even known a
50:59
communist outside of the ones in the USSR. But you can't help that,
51:07
you know, it's just you have. They ask him, did you break
51:14
a law by residing in or taking work in the USSR? He says,
51:19
I did in that I took an oath of allegiance to the USSR. And
51:24
when now the US version says, did you break laws by residing or taking
51:28
work in the USSR. He says, under US law, a person may
51:31
lose the protection of the US by voting or serving in the armed forces of
51:35
a foreign state, or taking an oath of allegiance to that state. I
51:37
did none of these. So to me, this is the biggest glaring example
51:46
written in his own hand, that something's up here, folks. Why would
51:52
you have two versions of answers for a press conference? Why you know,
52:00
that makes no sense whatsoever unless you weren't sure how you were going to be
52:05
received back into the United States until you got there. It was either going
52:10
to be hey, you know you're a defector, screw you. You know
52:15
you tried to Oh okay, or it's going to be oh, welcome back.
52:20
You know what did you find out over there? Blah blah blah.
52:22
You know. I think it was a practice for him, But unfortunately there
52:30
was no press conference waiting on Oswald when he got back Spas ranking waiting for
52:37
him. Now, I did come across something cool when we're talking about Spas
52:44
Raking, who was a American Bulgarian. I don't know what you would call
52:52
him, an academic representative or something or another, but his papers are actually
53:00
where was it and one second shoe sure at the online Archive of California.
53:10
But unfortunately that name is a misnomer. And his collection the Spies, Rake
53:16
and Papers have no online items available, Okay, but his in his collection
53:29
they talk about, you know, his his Lee Harvey Oswald collection where he
53:39
writes about his meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald in Hoboken, New Jersey, on
53:45
June thirteenth, nineteen sixty two. And you know, I think it would
53:52
be interesting to read that stuff. He says he was a part of the
53:58
Travelers Aid Society. It was in that capacity he was directed to meet Lee
54:01
Harvey Oswald upon his return from Russia. They met him on the dock when
54:07
the ship arrived and helped them through customs. His account of this event is
54:09
in the Warren Commission report and it's discussed in dozens of works. Binder seventy
54:15
one of the Wrecking Papers includes copies of documents, notes, and clippings on
54:20
the event and its aftermath. So that would be a cool file if somebody
54:27
can get their hands on it. It's the Hoover Institution. And then,
54:32
like I said, his papers and Suffice Online California Archive or something like that,
54:38
so any folks living in California they could get their hands on that,
54:43
that'd be kind of a cool find. You know, might be something in
54:45
there interesting. But let's go back to some of his other crazy writings.
54:52
Fall we let's do it all right. What we got next, Well,
55:00
we went through. That was the end of my power point I had because
55:07
you know, I didn't want to put everything in every Well, I'll I'll
55:14
help with this here. So the PowerPoint. So some of the other stuff
55:17
that he wrote. He wrote a a scathing review of the Communist Party of
55:25
the United States, and it starts off something like this, So, the
55:30
Communist Party of the United States has betrayed itself. I'm bringing it up right
55:35
now. It has turned itself into the traditional lever of a foreign power to
55:38
overthrow the government of the United States, not in the name of freedom or
55:43
high ideals, but in servile conformity to the wishes of the Soviet Union and
55:46
in anticipation of Soviet Russia's complete domination of the American continent. Now again,
55:53
this is not the Communist Party in Russia. This is the Communist Party in
55:57
the United States. Okay that he's writing this about. He says the communist
56:02
movement in the US, personalized by the communist part of the USA, has
56:07
turned itself into a valuable goat gold coin of the Kremlin. It has failed
56:12
to denounce any actions of the Soviet government when similar actions are being taken us
56:17
on the part of the US government, brings pious protest. And he goes
56:23
on to give examples of this. And I'm not sure where, when,
56:30
or why he wrote this, but it's interesting, and there's lots of big
56:35
words in there, folks, a lot of like in servile conformity. I
56:42
mean, this guy's, you know, twenty years old writing this stuff.
56:46
Yeah, and he's, you know, breaking down the different political systems of
56:51
the world. And this is what twenty year olds do, at least today.
57:00
Can't speak about nineteen sixty. But you know, we recently did an
57:05
episode about Thornley, who is credited credited with co founding the Discordian religion.
57:15
So there's a lot of political theorizing and thinking going on here. And yeah,
57:25
I mean, obviously there are no iPads or iPhones and all the other
57:30
bs that distracts us today from what's really going on. But you know,
57:36
he was really, I think trying to find his way and his beliefs in
57:44
a sense, and what else would have been Apple or Android? It's a
57:51
good question. I feel like because he was a nonconformist, he would have
57:54
been Android or maybe agree, Yeah, yeah, I agree. Maybe even
58:00
flip phone. Yeah, I'm thinking of going back to a flip phone.
58:06
Actually, all right, check this one out. This is This is Oswald's
58:09
revolutionary resume. Again, don't know when or where this was written, but
58:16
it's interesting, folks. So he says, I served in the USMC from
58:22
October fifty six to September fifty nine, during which time I served in San
58:28
Diego at Camp Pendleton, Jacksonville, Florida, May the June, Stan Ana,
58:31
California June to August, and in Japan from August to fifty seven to
58:36
November fifty eight, then back to Santa Ana Altora Air Base until September fifty
58:40
nine. My stay in the Far East included eight months in Japan and then
58:45
went to the Philippines. I served in electronic school in Jacksonville, Florida,
58:50
in advanced radio in Biloxia, Mississippi. I also received my high school level
58:53
diploma at the same time as my schooling in Biloxi. Mississippi, so he
58:58
got his ged while in the Marine Corps. He goes on hotel I've lived
59:06
in. I lived in Moscow October sixteenth fifty nine to January sixty, during
59:15
which time I stayed at the Hotel Berlin and the Metropolis Hotel. I then
59:20
lived in Minsk from January fifth, sixty to July sixty two. I visited
59:22
Moscow in sixty one and sixty two for a few weeks. In Minsk,
59:28
I was granted a small apartment in kalinin street. I worked at the Belo
59:31
Russian Radio and TV plant as a metalworker, and it goes on. He
59:37
talks about learning the Russian language. This is This is one of the more
59:42
interesting parts. On May twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three, I requested permission
59:47
from the FPCC headquarters at seven ninety nine Broadway, New York, New York,
59:53
to try to form a local branch in New Orleans. I received a
59:58
cautious but enthusiasm astic go ahead from VT Lee, the national director of the
1:00:04
FPCC, which is a lie. I then make layouts and had printed public
1:00:09
literature for the setting up of a local FPCC. I hired persons to distribute
1:00:15
literature. I then organized persons who display receptive attitudes towards Cuba to distribute pamphlets.
1:00:23
I sought response from Latin American councils, of which there are many here
1:00:27
in New Orleans. I infiltrated these are his own words. I infiltrated the
1:00:34
Cuban Student Directorate and harassed them with information I gained, including having the New
1:00:40
Orleans City Attorney General called them in and put a restraining order pending a hearing
1:00:46
on some so called bonds for invasion that they were selling in the New Orleans
1:00:51
area. I caused the formation of a small, active FPCC organization of members
1:00:59
and sympathized where before there was none. So very interesting that Lee Oswald was
1:01:07
actually the one who busted him down for selling those war bonds to fund the
1:01:15
Cuban raids from the Cuban Student Directorate did not know that street agitation. I
1:01:24
am experienced in street agitation, having done it in New Orleans in connection with
1:01:31
the FPCC on August nineth, nineteen sixty three. I was like today,
1:01:39
I was, I could create trouble for you on the street, Like yes,
1:01:45
I don't know, it's crazy. I mean, this is like something
1:01:49
he would give you, like, let me in Cuba. Here's my resume,
1:01:52
right, right, you know type of thing directed that. Yeah.
1:01:58
Yeah. I was accosted by three anti Castro Cubans and was arrested for quote,
1:02:05
causing a disturbance. I was interrogated by and by the Intelligence section of
1:02:12
New Orleans Police Department, held overnight, being bailed out the next day by
1:02:15
relatives. I subsequently was fined ten dollars and the charges against the three Cubans
1:02:21
were dropped by the judge. Wait, Rob, Yes, so he was
1:02:25
lying there too because he requested an FBI agent. No, well, no,
1:02:31
he was. He was interrogated by the New Orans Police Department. That's
1:02:36
true, right, he just doesn't mention that he was, that he would
1:02:40
talk to the FBI in this, and that's probably left out for a reason.
1:02:45
Okay, That's what I'm getting at, yesh. On August sixteenth,
1:02:51
I organized a four man, four man FPCC demonstration in front of the Entrant
1:03:00
National Trademark in New Orleans. This demonstration was filmed by WDSUTV and shown on
1:03:06
the six o'clock news. The day after that, I was invited by WDSU
1:03:10
Radio to appear on the August seventeenth radio program Latin American Focus at seven thirty
1:03:15
PM. The moderator was Bill Stuckey, who put questions to me for half
1:03:21
an hour about FPCC attitudes and opinions. After this program, I was invited
1:03:27
to take part in the radio debate between John Butler of inca anti Communist Propaganda
1:03:32
organization representative, and Carlos Bregnier, Cuban exile student Student Revolutionary Directorate delegate in
1:03:42
New Orleans. This debate was broadcast at six oh five to six thirty August
1:03:47
twenty first on the radio or no, I'm sorry not on the radio.
1:03:52
After this program, I had a three minute TV newsreel which was shown the
1:03:57
next day. On August to twenty second, he the ad vice direction in
1:04:00
literature from VT Lee, the national director of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee,
1:04:05
of which I am a member. At my own expense, I had
1:04:09
printed hands Off Cuba handbills and New Orleans branch membership blanks for the FPCC local.
1:04:15
On August twenty second, I was invited by Gene Morrett, who was
1:04:19
studying for the Catholic priesthood, to give a lecture on Russia at the University
1:04:25
Jesuit House of Studies, Spring Hill Station, Mobile, Alabama, and I
1:04:30
believe Shane in the comments he says he's in Mobile, Alabama, where Oswald's
1:04:34
cousin lived in West spring Hild University is located, so very cool, very
1:04:40
cool. And he talks about working at Jaggers Child stove wall, you know,
1:04:47
which was, you know, his longest place of employment. I guess
1:04:53
you would, you would say, so, that's interesting. Yeah, And
1:04:59
then we had, like I said, I don't know where this stuff comes
1:05:02
from or why he wrote it, but he has speech notes on the far
1:05:08
right. And what's interesting about this As he talks about a military coup on
1:05:17
the US government, he says, Americans are apt to scoff at the idea
1:05:20
that a military coup in the US so often happens in Latin America countries,
1:05:26
could ever replace our government. But that is an idea that has grounds for
1:05:31
consideration. Which military organization has the potentialities of executing such action? He goes
1:05:40
on to say, is that the army with as many conscripts, it's unwieldy
1:05:43
size, its scores of bases scattered around the world. He even mentions this
1:05:47
the case of General Walker shows that the army at least is not fertile enough
1:05:53
ground for a far right regime to go a very long way. For these
1:05:57
same reasons of size and disposition, the air force is also to be more
1:06:01
or less disregarded. He's a small size, A permanent hardcore of officers and
1:06:08
a few bases is necessary. The only outfit that fits that description is the
1:06:11
United States Marine Corps, and it is a right wing, infiltrated organization of
1:06:16
dire potential consequences to the freedoms of the US. I agree with former President
1:06:20
Truman when he said that the Marine Corps should be abolished. So then he
1:06:28
goes on to talk about Herbert phil Bricks and McCarthyism and all kinds of good
1:06:34
stuff. Yeah, he definitely wasn't a duller, as you mentioned last week
1:06:47
regarding a certain police officer that is connected to the case and considering his education
1:06:57
and when you you know, everyone's seen that clip of him debating Carlos bring
1:07:02
Air on TV. He's not illiterate. He knows what he's talking about and
1:07:14
what especially geopolitically, and these some of the writings that we've showed you and
1:07:23
read and talked about today prove that and I mean listen to this. I
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mean, this is this is coming from a twenty year old Lie Oswald.
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Okay. To where can I turn to factional mutants of both systems, to
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oddball Hegelian idealists out of touch with reality, religious groups, to revisionist or
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to absurd anarchism. No, to a person knowing both systems and their factional
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accessories, there can be no mediation between the systems as they exist today and
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that person he must be opposed to their basic foundations and representatives. And yet
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it is immature to take the sort of attitude which says a curse on both
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your houses. I mean, and this is on communism and capitalism, and
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it is a long essay. I mean, it's who knew he wrote all
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this stuff? And this is another good one. I think this is the
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last example we have Joe okay of Oswald's utopia, okay, And this is
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his ideal governmental political system okay, from based on him living in a communist
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regime and in the capitalist world. Okay, this is Oswald's utopia. Pulling
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it up so he says this, and that's in that the state or any
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group of persons may not have been esture or direct funds or value in circulation
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for the creation of means of production. A. Any person may own private
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property of any sort. B. Small business or speculation on the party of
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a single individual may be guaranteed. C That any person may exchange personal skill
1:09:16
or knowledge in the completion of some service for renunerration. D That any person
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may hire or otherwise renumerate any other single person for services rendered, as long
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as that service does not create surplus value. And a system opposed to the
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capitalist in that no individual may own the means of production, distribution, or
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creation of goods, or any other process wherein workers are employed for wages or
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otherwise employed to create profit or surplus profit or value in use or exchange.
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A. And that all undertaking of production, distribution, or manufacture, or
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otherwise in the creation of goods must be made on a pure collective basis.
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Under the conditions number one, equal shares of investment be made by members.
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Two equal distribution of profit after tax be made to all investors. Three that
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all work or directive or administrative duties connected with the enterprise be done personally by
1:10:11
those investors. Four that no person not directly working or otherwise directly taking part
1:10:15
in the creational process of any enterprise, have a share or otherwise receive any
1:10:20
part of the resulting profit of it. And he goes on to talk about
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stipends, agronomous the Athenian system. Whereas he's against communism in so far as
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its limitations on freedom of travel, press, religion, speech, and elections.
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He's against taxes, income taxes, and building license taxes. He's against
1:10:45
the sale of arms. Pistols should not be sold in any case, rifles
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only with police permission. Shotguns are free, so extremists of purely racial character
1:10:58
anti Negro or jew or nationality, or anti religion. He's against unemployment it
1:11:03
is caused by other than voluntary means of employers, such as automation. Here's
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what he's for, free medical aid, hospital beds and operations, aid to
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education, state and national subsidy of universities, and free or paid expenses for
1:11:23
students of higher educational units. He's also for welfare, all encompassing welfare,
1:11:29
higher pensions independent of amount of work, only curbed as to type of work
1:11:33
and rank of worker upon retirement. He is for disarmament, general disarmament and
1:11:40
abolition of all armies except civil police force armed with small arms. We have
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a good columcy. Yeah, that is Oswald's utopia. So yeah, I've
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never realized how intelligent Oswald obviously was. I in no way have expressed myself.
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I express myself that intelligently now my mouth, That's what I'm saying.
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I you know, just just from going to look at his you know,
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his diary, I came across all this other stuff that he supposedly wrote,
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and it's like, holy crap, you know, this guy is not the
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Duller dummy, uh that everybody thought he was. H Yeah, So that
1:12:29
lends more credence to me that I obviously the defection was part of some kind
1:12:38
of an intelligence operation. Now that could of course be different after he gets
1:12:43
back and what goes on in New Orleans, in Dallas, but at least
1:12:46
the defection to me, there's alarm bells everywhere, red flags everywhere. That's
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something. There's some fookery going on here for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
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and you only and you only have to look at how we got into Russia
1:13:02
to determine that. And I remember that Beingsia after that. Yeah, but
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the whole Helensky route and how he got in there was maybe one of the
1:13:16
first documents I read years and years and years ago. And what route was
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that, Joe? It was the instant visa route where if you booked travel
1:13:30
bus, your balls because you said Helensky instead of Helsinki. Okay, yeah,
1:13:35
I've done that a couple of times privately with you. But uh yeah,
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then if you book with a local travel agency you could get an instant
1:13:45
visa. And then he took a train to Moscow. So and again,
1:13:51
this is like a couple of days after a CIA memo goes out saying we
1:13:58
have this new way for people again to Russia and the Noswalt just slips through
1:14:01
that a couple of days later. So the fact that he did not have
1:14:04
help getting in there is is ay. Of course he said when he when
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he showed up in Helsinki, he goes and stay at the swankiest hotel there.
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Yeah, and then then it probably moves out into a into a crappier
1:14:20
motel. Was that at the behest of somebody saying, dude, what are
1:14:24
you doing. You can't stay at this hotel this one. You're not a
1:14:29
baller, dude, get over here. Well with us fourteen hundred rubles a
1:14:32
month. He was making as much as the factory director. He had a
1:14:39
pretty nice apartment. He was still couldn't get an extra loaf of bread.
1:14:43
He was getting some good ass, some fine Russian posse. And uh,
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it's great, you know, Joseph, Joseph Joseph M I think uh,
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I think you said not course, but it is a really interesting He would
1:15:09
just eat him and stuff exactly. But it's just really interesting because when we
1:15:18
had our discussion with Larry Hancock, uh, you know, we were talking
1:15:23
about he was talking about how the idea and the image of Oswalt that is
1:15:31
stuck with the research community for decades isn't actually the most accurate one. And
1:15:40
you know he's working on a new work that is going to go all into
1:15:44
this and and Oswalt, and it's very interesting. So you know a lot
1:15:49
of people put him as the hapless, past, stupid Patsy who had no
1:15:55
idea what was going on. Other people put him as James Bond, and
1:15:59
it's and any anywhere between, right, So what was he? And to
1:16:04
be honest, I don't know. We're you know, the research is ongoing.
1:16:10
As I read new things, as I absorb new and discover new evidence
1:16:15
and documents. My position changes on that. You know. One of the
1:16:21
big things is was he witning? Was he unwitting? I leaned towards one
1:16:27
side, but it's just very fascinating to go back and read what he wrote
1:16:33
in his own words. And he was very intelligent despite not having an education,
1:16:40
despite skipping school to go to the Bronx who despite moving I think thirteen
1:16:45
times you said, Rob, you know, not not buying a quote me
1:16:51
on that now, okay, thirteen ish. Many schools say that he,
1:16:59
you know, was he was disturbed, and maybe that's why he got into
1:17:06
books a lot. Maybe that's what got him into reading. But he definitely
1:17:12
wasn't the complete idiot that everyone, or at least the War Commission, portrayed
1:17:18
him to be. In my opinion. Yep. So that folks will bring
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us to an end. Here today for Oswald's historic diary. If you want
1:17:30
to check out and cop yourself some Sweet March to wrap the show, you
1:17:35
can do so in the link below. And Joe, any closing words from
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you, my friend? No, just oh yes, I always say no,
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but then I I add more things. But yes, yeah, I
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know, right, just a little more we'll add all the links to all
1:17:58
these of his writings on our locals community which is in the link, and
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we hope to see you over there. We were thinking of doing an after
1:18:13
party or after discussion today. It's not going to happen today, but maybe
1:18:17
next week if enough of the supporters can decide on the time. We're happy
1:18:26
to do. You know, a Robin joll bom bombs away, non YouTube
1:18:35
thoughts type of thing. Speaking of next week, we are not going to
1:18:40
be live next week, but there will be a show dropping next week,
1:18:44
a very interesting one. We're going to have a guest on and we're going
1:18:47
to be talking about the Tippett murder specifically. So if that type of thing
1:18:53
interest you, make sure you tune in. It's going to be a good
1:18:56
one. So for Joey Scars, Kah really and your boy Big Bad Bob,
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and also for John T. D Ange is a Carmra's a bit Jim,
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it's you boys. Peace m