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Episode 18 - Pagan Interviews Brian Morgan & Socrates about Quality Bulls, True Brotherhood & much more · The Bull Brotherhood

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I contacted some people who know you guys and
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love you guys. And I asked them, okay, tell me
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more about why you love this person. Why you
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think this guy is not only a human being that
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you admire, but as a bull, what are the qualities
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that you see in them? And I thought this might
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be good because what I'm going to be talking
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about is your strengths. and asking you why you
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feel your strengths, how they apply to the lifestyle,
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and why they have helped you be successful. Okay.
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Does that sound like a fun game? Okay. This podcast
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contains explicit adult content, mature themes,
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and candid conversations about sex, dominance,
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power exchange, and ethical non -monogamy. It
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be interpreted as legal advice, medical guidance,
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or psychological counseling. We speak from experience,
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not credentials. Always practice consent, respect
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the boundaries of others, and follow local laws.
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If you're not comfortable with frank talk about
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sex, kink, dominance, or emotional power, this
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probably isn't the show for you. But if you're
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ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace
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a lifestyle that demands mastery, welcome to
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the Brotherhood. Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
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podcast, where we talk power, pleasure, and the
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art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy. This
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is not your average lifestyle podcast. This is
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for men who lead, men who master, and men who
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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're
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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So
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to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies
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and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another
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informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast.
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This is the one and only Brian Morgan, a .k .a.
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The Sigma Male, coming at you, along with my
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nephew and partner in crime, the one and only
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Socrates. What's up, brother? What's up, punk?
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All right, all right. uh ladies and gentlemen
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tonight we are actually going to give the beautiful
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and sexy siren the night off the reason being
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because we have the sapiosexual one from california
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again with us our brother pagan p what's up what's
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going on man there's no intro like a b morgan
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intro man i gotta record these i gotta keep them
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I do appreciate that. I do appreciate that. And
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again, brother, welcome to the Bull Brotherhood
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for the second time. And ladies and gentlemen,
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we have a really special episode tonight because
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Socrates and I, we are going to not be asking
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the questions tonight. We're going to turn it
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over to the extra special co -host, Pagan himself.
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He's going to take the reins right now. He's
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going to interview myself and Socrates. I guess
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giving a little per se origin about the two of
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us. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen,
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I give you, again, from the great state of California,
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our brother, bull brother, Bacon. Take it over,
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baby. My people, my people, thank you for having
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me back. And thank you, listeners, for tuning
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in to something that I want to be clear, neither
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is Socrates nor be. came to me with this idea.
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I came to them with this idea. It occurred to
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me, listening to these episodes, that some of
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the audience might just want to know a little
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bit more about their host. Clearly, these guys
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are knowledgeable. Clearly, they have experience.
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Clearly, they're very good at articulating those
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things and helping out others. But I thought
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it just might be interesting to get into, like,
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who these gentlemen are, where they come from,
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their origin stories as the superheroes in the
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Bull Brotherhood. So I'd love to just jump right
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in with you guys, if you don't mind, and just
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get to know you all a little better. Sound good?
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Yeah, let's do it. All four. Perfect. So I guess,
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yeah, like Dee said, let's start off with, you
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know, when Peter Parker got bit by the spider.
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Like, tell us a little bit about your origin
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stories. Maybe, Sock, you can go first. I'm just,
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you know, I know some people have heard it, so
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feel free to truncate it. But just to give us
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a little bit of a background as if this is my
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first episode, who are you in terms of where
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you came from and how you got in the lifestyle?
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Yeah. Yeah. So appreciate it, man. Appreciate
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you doing this for us. And, you know, I'm already
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excited because I know you're going to have some
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awesome questions. So, yeah, I was vanilla most
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of my life. But I thought differently. At a very
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young age, I knew I did not have the kind of,
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like, how do I want to say this? I didn't have
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the same feelings about jealousy that most people
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did. So, like, I would have, I was dating this
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really beautiful girl, Jet Magazine model, just
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beautiful from top. Top to bottom. And I had
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found out, one of my boys found out that she
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was cheating on me. And he was like, oh, man,
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you know, you're not going to be mad. You're
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not going to do something. I was like, well,
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I don't know. I like pussy. And I like more than
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one pussy. I would imagine she likes dick and
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she might want more than one dick. So my friends
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thought I was weird because I was like, hmm.
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She probably could have just told me, you know.
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And so that was my mentality for a long time.
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But I didn't take that into, you know, married
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life or anything because I got into ministry
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pretty early on in life. And I wasn't even thinking
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about any of that. So fast forward, I get into
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a marriage with now ex. And I told her when I
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first met her, I said, look, I'm really interested
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in this swinging thing. I didn't know any of
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the terminology. And if we're going to do this,
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we're going to go in that direction. And she
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said, cool. But I didn't really know what I was
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doing. And I made a lot of mistakes. I was doing
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a lot of research, but I didn't know how, so
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half of it was porn. And I didn't know anything
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about podcasts or anything like that. So long
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story short, I, you know, me and her get into
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the lifestyle together. You know, it's pretty
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much swingers. And she wasn't really, she wasn't
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really 100%. She was never forced or anything.
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She loved doing it. Every now and again, she
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would have twinges of like, I don't know if I'm
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really supposed to be doing this or if we should
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be doing as much as we are or, you know, anything
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like that. So we really weren't on the same page
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with lifestyle, but I loved it. And so by the
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time we had divorced, I had already been, had
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read a lot of books on the subject and, you know,
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podcasts, getting online, you know. reading forums,
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just everything I can get my hands on. And then
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I read a book called Sex at Dawn, which is pretty
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much like an anthropological approach to non
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-monogamy. And then I was hooked. That was it.
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Wow. Yeah. I do know that book, my brother. And
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you are absolutely right describing it that way.
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Yeah. That one goes deep and it goes way back
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into the primal nature of who we are. Okay, stay
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focused. B, Morgan, your origin story. What was
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the moment when you went and decided that you
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would be who you're going to be and who were
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you before that? Well, let me tell you who I
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was before that. I was a very, very skinny kid.
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And when I say skinny, I was real thin. If you
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take a pencil and stand it up and put my face
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and head on it, that's what I looked like. Yeah,
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a very, very late bloomer. The only thing that
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I had going for me, I could shoot a basketball
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pretty good. I really did not. I had girls in
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high school, but I wasn't what I ended up becoming.
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Graduated, joined the United States Army immediately.
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And a few years later, at age 25, 26, I find
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myself overseas in Germany. and that was when
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the baptism took place i um if you know anything
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about germany you know when a black man goes
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over there he becomes just a movie star i really
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i don't i don't know any way to know the way
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to say it but i got over there and i met a beautiful
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48 year old russian businesswoman and pagan when
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i tell you she was fine she was not fine she
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was fine she was she was all that and a bag of
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chips i mean everything she checked off all the
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blocks um first and foremost i have been i had
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i had a just a absolute passion for older women
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you know i lost my virginity to older women so
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it was already in me i just loved older women
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and uh this lady took me under her wing after
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we got together for the first couple of times.
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And as a young guy, you think that this particular
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compliment that I'm about to say is really a
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real compliment. And at that time, at my age,
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it was. But now, at the age that I am now, I
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realize, okay, that was really like the start
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of something for me. And she said one day, she
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said, quote unquote, she said, goddamn baby you
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have no clue how to make love but you can show
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fuck now for somebody 26 years old you know your
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chest kind of jumps out you know what i mean
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but i then realized a little bit later on after
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she introduced me to the life and i won't go
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into all about because it's a long long story
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that's what i was like how she got me into it
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but when she when she did get me into the life
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and uh i started to evolve I realized, okay,
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what she said was actually, in a way, it was
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a wake -up call. Because I like Socrates. I thought
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sex was a performance. I thought it was porn,
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basically. So what I was trying to do to every
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woman that I saw was basically turn into a porn
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star and just fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. But
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I had no idea how to really engage with a woman.
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I had no clue how to listen to women. I had no
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clue how to form a connection with women. This
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particular lady taught me all of that. And she
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taught me that through the hot wifing lifestyle.
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Not only did I do a little, was I introduced
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to the hot wifing lifestyle, but she also, she
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was my handler for a couple of years. I actually
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did a little escorting over there. So that. was
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my introduction to the life of course this was
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a long time ago we didn't have all of the words
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you know that we have now hot wifing and what
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a bbc was and what a cuckold was but that was
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my initial um like i said baptism and jump into
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the hot wifing lifestyle with this 48 year old
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lady and then from there it went on Okay. So
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you're now a mentor who at some point had a mentor
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that brought you along to where you can now share
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with others. That's amazing. That's the gift
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that we can give when we have experience. And
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this podcast is a great example of it. Okay.
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So we got you two separately. How did Batman
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meet Robin? How did you two meet? And on top
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of that question, what happened one day where
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you guys saw a need, what was that need? And
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then the bull brotherhood was the answer to that.
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So, yeah, I'll start because it was, um, so basically,
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uh, Michael C from, uh, keys and necklace podcast,
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um, threw me a bachelor party for. my um wedding
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to siren so i flew out to where he's at and chilled
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with them for the weekend and he invited brian
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and um um i'll let brian tell the story of you
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know how he knew we were going to be working
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together because he tells it better but when
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i met brian you know what i don't mention a lot
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is what is what I pretty much, like, noticed
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is immediately I noticed how fucking dope and
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smooth this dude was, you know, and how he carried
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himself. And he had an air about himself that
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was like, I'm here, I know what I'm doing, I'm
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focused, but I don't give a fuck either. And
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I thought that was cool as fuck. So, so I almost
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immediately said, this is the type of brother
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I want to hang around. I want to rub elbows with
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and, you know, see what we can, you know, do
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in this lifestyle, you know? So I'll let him
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tell his story about that part. Well, since you,
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since you started off with the party, I'll go
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ahead and take it from there. But it actually
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started, though, at Splash Atlanta when we did
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the podcast. You remember that? Yeah. But anyway,
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though, we're at the party. That's when we first
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met. Exactly. That's when we first met. But at
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the party, though, P, here again, a lot of people
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don't get me because of, and here again, that's
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why I am a Sigma male. i really do i'm not just
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saying that to say it but that is truly my that
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is my aura i i um i survey the scene i'm i'm
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there i let people you know see me but at the
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same time i speak with a voice of silence so
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we're at the party and uh michael had invited
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what four four couples p something like that
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yep yep and then one yeah somebody another one
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came later on that yeah single lady yeah exactly
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so we're all sitting there um you know everybody's
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chilling and having a good time talking um here
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i am i'm i'm observing i'm observing uh some
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very very nice looking ladies there but there
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was about one or two in particular that really
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fit the characteristics that i i like and um
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so i was like okay i sat there i sat there long
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enough i looked at her um she looked at me and
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i said to myself okay you make a note you look
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one more time and i'm gonna you know do a little
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something to you and she did so um i love to
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give i love to give massages i love to give massages
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and um so i started to give this beautiful lady
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a massage and um i noticed that a few minutes
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into the massage nephew comes over there and
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he starts massaging also so i'm like okay you
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know i like to i like how you i like how you
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came over and did that you know it was very very
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smooth and um we kept massaging kept massaging
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and there's a certain way that i massage someone
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uh it will let her know that i'm interested okay
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it'll let her know i'm interested here again
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speaking with the voice of silence well It ended
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up we taking her into the bedroom. And, you know,
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it was his bachelor party. It was his bachelor
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party. And I wanted nothing more than for him
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to have the best time ever. I didn't even tell
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Michael that, but I'm like, I'm here for him.
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That's the reason I flew in. And let's just say
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he showed his ass, as we say in the state of
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North Carolina. He showed his ass that night.
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Okay, he had a great time. He had a great time.
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And that let me know that, okay, if we would
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ever pull a caper together, that I was completely
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confident in his skill set. I know he was going
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to be able to not only follow but to lead also.
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And the other time that I knew that he was on
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point with me. It was, what, two years ago or
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three years ago in Atlanta, Socrates? It's been
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about three now, right? Or two years ago. Atlanta
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was about two years ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Two
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years ago in Atlanta, Michael had invited me
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to sit in on a podcast, and it was he along with
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Mr. Mocha, Socrates, and another gentleman. I
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forgot his name. That was the first time that
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I had ever introduced myself to anyone, especially
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as a Sigma male. And I explained, I gave a detailed
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definition of what a Sigma male is in the male
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hierarchy, in the male archetype. And he was,
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I noticed, I was like, he's over there taking
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notes. Socrates is like, hey man, I need to write
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this down. There were certain things that I was
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saying, and he actually wrote it down. And I
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was like, okay, either he's playing right now
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very well or he really is taking his shit in.
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You know what I'm saying? And we talked a little
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bit more later on after that. And I was like,
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okay, that's somebody that I can take under my
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wing. I knew that he was very, very interesting.
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I knew he'd been in the lifestyle as a single
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person. I had not met his wife at the time. But
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I knew that he wanted more. He wanted that knowledge.
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He wanted more knowledge. And here again, you
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know, I'm pushing. I'm going on 60 years old,
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brother. You know what I mean? There comes a
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time in life where you need to pass the game
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on. You need to pass the knowledge on. Yeah,
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you still love to play. I do. I still love to
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play. but i i am looking to pass knowledge on
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the guys who can keep this ball going and going
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and going and going because like i said i live
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at 24 7. you know this isn't just this isn't
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just a lifestyle to me man this is my life all
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right really this is my life yeah and uh the
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only thing that i don't have is is you know i'm
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not married that's that's that's it those guys
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are right but uh right but yeah that's how we
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met and that's how i knew that uh when he bought
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up a podcast i knew that i would be very very
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comfortable doing it with them because it's true
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we're like night and day but but we're very similar
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also yeah well i gotta say the podcast that i
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enjoy the vanilla ones and it wasn't a lifestyle
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when there's two hosts i like it when the dynamic
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is that you know they bounce off of each other
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the way you guys do um so that's that's a good
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thing your differences meld together really well
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so What would you guys say then? We're at the
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point when you guys get together and decide to
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make a podcast. What would you say the mission
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statement of the Bull Brotherhood is? Or what
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need did you guys see where you were like, you
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know what? There's a lot of podcasts out there,
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but none of them are fulfilling this need. What
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did you guys come across that made you do this?
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Go ahead, nephew. Well. You know, I think the
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biggest thing is I'm willing to say there is
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a standard and there is a framework that I think
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every single bull, no matter what race, what
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dynamic you're in, if you call yourself a bull,
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that there is a standard. And me and the Sigma
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male here agreed on that. That's number one.
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And number two, we felt like there was... we
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talked about doing the podcast. Once we realized,
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you know what, there are standards and there
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are principles and there are frameworks that
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we believe in that enhance the experience significantly.
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We believe in that. Once we figured that out,
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I think it took maybe Brian Morgan about a week
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and a half to be like, we need a female perspective
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and we need to bring Siren on. And I'm not going
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to lie, in the beginning, I was skeptical. I
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was like, ah, I don't know. But that was the
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best thing. Because who gives a fuck about our
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opinion if the women out there were like, nah,
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son, that's not how it works, you know? So once
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that came together, the need we're meeting is
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that. We think there are principles and fundamental
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things that you can believe in and things you
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can do and a perspective that you can have that
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will lead you forward in this lifestyle and will
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get you better results. And we wanted to have
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a nerd's perspective who has a shorter experience
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time and a very smooth Sigma male who's got a
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distinguished career. and has been in the game
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for a very long time and performed at the highest
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level. And right now, a damn near nymphomaniac
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woman who loves black men and loves quality black
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men and wants to grow in this lifestyle as well.
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And once Brian Morgan pointed that out, I was
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like, yeah, we have to do this. Yeah, yeah, that's
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amazing. Anything to add to that, B, on what
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you think the mission statement is or the need
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you fulfilled? Well, I'm going to tell you, he
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hit it on the head, especially when he brought
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in that word quality. I had been to several Splash
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Mocha events. Now, here again, we're talking
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about Splash Mocha, but I don't care where you
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go. I don't care what type of event it is. You
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should look at yourself as one of the best things
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there. one of the as my father would say one
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of the baddest men that walked through the door
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you know and um when i when i when a man calls
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himself a bull that is what i'm looking at i'm
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looking for that i'm looking for all of those
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qualities that put together that will make for
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a great boyfriend or bull experience you know
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um here again i i talk about the the the body
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game and everything. You don't have to look like
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a bodybuilder or anything like that. I'm not
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saying that. But take what the good Lord has
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given you and turn it into the best package that
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you can possibly, you know, put together. Have
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your own type of style. Have your, you know,
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your aura. That is, that is, that's you. Okay.
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Everybody's not going to be the alpha type of
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guy. But here again, that's why I wanted to do
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this podcast and let people know about, hey,
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you can be. a bull but be a different type of
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bull you know because there are different types
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um and um like i said well you know once you
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know once socrates and i talked and and and we
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we put together and we do have the mission statement
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i wish i had it right here so i could actually
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read it but um but once we got that together
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i i said it may take a little while because we
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aren't known known around here you know like
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everybody else is but we're gonna we're gonna
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put something together a little bit different
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differently than the than the you know the just
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a typical podcast and i think uh our first episodes
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have been fire i do yeah um and i think we're
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going to be we're getting better especially myself
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you know because i'm not a talker i've never
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damn spoken as much ever maybe you know than
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i have now but i'm getting more comfortable you
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know more comfortable and more comfortable with
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every episode but um he hit it on the head i
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mean that's that's what we're looking for you
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know my mom when we say bull brotherhood we are
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looking for the elite of elite of the elite gentlemen
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to come here into this into this fraternity and
27:17
you might well say it because that's that's that's
27:19
how i look at it right into this frat And everybody
27:22
is on the same page. You know, if you put five
27:28
guys up against the wall and put him on another
27:31
splash event, everybody would be like, okay,
27:34
those guys are part of the brotherhood right
27:36
there. They have that aura. They have that charisma.
27:38
They have that special magnetic charm or appeal,
27:41
you know, that sets them off, sets them out from
27:44
everybody else. So that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Well
27:49
said. i mean one of the things i can tell you
27:52
as a listener um you know not just a fan of you
27:56
as bold and as men but of the product that you're
27:59
creating you know you said that you guys weren't
28:02
like really well known well you i wouldn't get
28:05
used to that because this is the kind of podcast
28:08
that is going to be shared by a variety of men
28:11
who are entering a lifestyle and one of the things
28:14
i want to make sure people understand and and
28:18
you just correct me if i'm wrong but there's
28:20
a kind of thing that is exclusionary where it's
28:25
we got this club and there's this door marked
28:29
private and there's a velvet rope outside and
28:32
we're letting people in that are um the people
28:37
we see fit because we want to create uh exclusivity
28:41
and we want to we want to put a barrier up but
28:45
then there's another version of we have a group,
28:49
we have a fraternity, and we have certain standards,
28:53
but we're trying to include people. We're trying
28:55
to educate. We're trying to help the inexperienced
28:59
guy become more experienced so that they can
29:02
enter into this group. So it's more aspirational
29:06
and you're not excluding people. And I definitely
29:08
feel like you guys are doing the latter, where
29:11
you are trying to create the next members of
29:13
the group, as opposed to... create a barrier
29:16
to people entering it um and that's what i feel
29:19
when i listen to your podcast you're you're basically
29:23
planting the seeds for the next forest of bulls
29:27
um and i think that's amazing thank you very
29:31
much you just you just summed it up thank you
29:34
yeah and so the last thing i want to do for this
29:37
section and then um Y 'all motherfuckers get
29:40
ready because I got a surprise speed round of
29:42
questions for y 'all. It's a surprise, but I'm
29:49
going to get to that after one more question
29:50
about the foundations of this podcast. What have
29:54
you guys learned? Because you're several podcasts.
29:57
Is it like maybe 14 apps so far or something
30:00
like that? Yes, sir. Today was the 14th one.
30:03
So today was the 14th one. What have you learned
30:09
since the guys who started the podcast? What
30:13
are the two gentlemen I'm talking to now know
30:16
that they have learned either being from feedback
30:18
that you've gotten from listeners or just as
30:22
B was saying, I'm getting a little more adept
30:24
at using this microphone and talking more. What
30:27
have you learned over the 14 episodes that you
30:30
might even like, you know, tell your past selves,
30:32
whisper in their ear, like, hey, look out for
30:34
this because you're going to learn this pretty
30:36
quick. I have to give credit for this one. So
30:40
to specifically answer your question, Pete, I
30:43
didn't learn anything. What I did do, or if I
30:46
did learn anything, I learned Brian Morgan is
30:50
a wise motherfucker. That's what I learned. And
30:54
the reason why I say that is we talk about splash
31:01
so much. I'm like, we got to visit some other
31:03
places. But we were just at Fort Lauderdale Splash.
31:08
And we had a lot of feedback because we recorded
31:13
a few episodes there. We had our T -shirts and,
31:16
you know, a few people previously knew about
31:18
us. And we had our first, like, I'm your biggest
31:23
fan. And he went into depth about why. And I
31:30
didn't expect that so soon. I really didn't.
31:33
And he pretty much described what Brian Morgan
31:36
explained. And he told me, he says, he keeps
31:40
saying this, we have to crawl before we walk.
31:43
Got to walk before we run. You got to run before
31:47
you leap. And so I wasn't expecting that. I was
31:52
really just like, let's just get 50 episodes
31:55
under our belt and then see. I just started marketing.
31:59
So I wasn't thinking that way. And then this
32:01
guy was sharing it. He described everything we
32:04
laid down. You have this feminine perspective,
32:07
and she's great at articulating that. She's got
32:10
a great voice. And then you got my man here.
32:13
What did he call him? He didn't call him Unc.
32:18
OG. Yeah. You know, you got OG over here, you
32:24
know, laying, you know, putting it down. Then
32:27
you over there, you always quoting facts. And
32:30
I was like, wow, that's exactly what, that's
32:33
exactly what I want people to think. Yeah. We
32:37
want you to get the 360 degree viewpoint of this
32:42
lifestyle. Right. So. I hope I was answering
32:50
that question. Um, I don't know if I, yeah, I
32:54
mean, you know, it sounds like what you've learned,
32:56
you know, people are resonating with it and you're
32:59
learning that dynamic that you guys have. Yeah.
33:02
Um, is resonating with people. So that's, that
33:05
was the way I'm designed it. That's why I give
33:07
him credit. He designed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
33:11
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. P, I have. P, I
33:19
have. I have learned. I have learned. And here
33:23
again, nephew, thank you. I love you to death,
33:25
man. I really do. I have learned, and even though
33:32
I haven't spoken to a lot of the gentlemen, I
33:35
guess, that have, you know, listened to the podcast,
33:38
but I have learned and I know because I can feel.
33:41
I can feel that these other... gentlemen now
33:46
who maybe have gone to events or and and have
33:49
listened to the podcast i think they are becoming
33:52
comfortable in their own skin now maybe they're
33:56
saying hey i'm i can be maybe i am this sigma
34:00
or maybe i am this kind of guy instead of trying
34:03
to be something that i'm not you know what i'm
34:06
saying everybody can't be that alpha type of
34:10
guy everybody can't be You know what I mean?
34:13
But every guy brings something to the table,
34:17
but he has to be comfortable bringing himself
34:20
to the table. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
34:25
you cannot sit there and try to be somebody else
34:28
because then you will fail. But if you are comfortable
34:32
in your own skin, and I do mean get comfortable,
34:34
and here again, it takes time, okay? It takes
34:38
time. but once you find out who you really are
34:42
and you perfect who you are then you'll become
34:45
successful in this lifestyle and not only in
34:48
this lifestyle but just in life period okay because
34:52
as if you as if you told you i i am this is who
34:56
i am 24 7. this is who i am i am a sigma male
35:01
24 to the definition of what a sigma male is
35:06
okay um And I don't, you know, I don't steer
35:11
away from it. You know what I mean? I've never
35:12
tried that. Like something that I'm not. And
35:17
that basically comes from who my 90 -year -old
35:21
father is. Okay. If I am an OG, as that gentleman
35:26
said, if you meet him, boy, you'd be like, okay,
35:30
that's Superfly right there. Because he taught
35:33
me well. But that's one of the things that I
35:36
have kind of. That's kind of hit me right now.
35:40
And another thing, our chemistry, Nephew's absolutely
35:45
right. The chemistry, the three of us, the three
35:48
amigos, what each one brings to the table, you
35:52
know, differently. Here again, I think it's going
35:55
to be special. It really is going to be special,
35:57
especially when we do an event. And yes, I just
36:03
threw that out there. Yeah, we are. Sometime
36:05
in the future, we're going to do. our own event.
36:10
Okay. Oh, y 'all not ready. I got it. This is
36:14
a pagan exclusive. On my interview, we are finding
36:21
out that there are going to be Bull Brotherhood
36:23
events in the future. Yes, yes, yes. That is
36:27
the goal. It is going to happen. It's going to
36:30
happen, all right? And, of course, I want you
36:33
to, whether we're out there or if it's on the
36:36
East Coast or if it's down forever, all right,
36:40
south to southwest, I want Pagan to be there,
36:43
all right? I'm packing as we record this, you
36:47
know what I'm saying? I'm halfway in my luggage
36:50
right now. Put it on your calendar, brother.
36:52
Put it on your calendar. That sounds great. All
36:55
right, so we've gotten through. Can I jump in
36:59
real quick and just put a cherry on top of that
37:02
one? And you mentioned this too, Pagan, about
37:06
the brotherhood. We haven't spoke a lot about
37:10
that because this is Michael C's idea. And Michael
37:14
C gave us license to use the name and to move
37:18
forward. But for those that don't know, if you
37:21
don't listen to the Keys and Inklings podcast,
37:22
we are looking for other men. To join us in this.
37:27
If you listen to these podcasts and you identify
37:32
with the values that we're speaking of, please
37:35
approach us. If you see us at Splash or any other
37:37
events or, you know, contact, you know, email
37:40
us, Instagram, whatever, because we are looking
37:43
for bulls and other gentlemen in this lifestyle
37:48
that want to approach it the way we do. Because,
37:51
yeah, our events are going to be different. You
37:54
know, we're not saying better. We're just saying
37:56
different. Yeah. You know, we'll say better after
37:59
a few years of proving it, you know, maybe. But
38:02
right now, just say different. Right. So, yeah,
38:06
you know, contact us. We are looking for that,
38:09
you know. Gotcha. Gotcha. So you hear that gentleman
38:13
out there, the bull signal is up in the sky.
38:16
Hit these guys up. And it's about including you,
38:21
not excluding you. um absolutely creating us
38:24
building each other up okay we've got the foundation
38:28
that's you guys backstory history how you met
38:31
how you came to the podcast the need that you're
38:34
trying to fulfill and everything that you've
38:37
gleaned so far all right now i'm going to surprise
38:39
these guys audience they do not know this is
38:42
coming um they're very nervous right now They're
38:46
shaking. They don't know what I'm about to throw
38:49
at them. They genuinely don't know. This is real
38:51
right now. Right. Exactly. Lies. I contacted
38:55
some people who know you guys and love you guys.
39:02
And I asked them, okay, tell me more about why
39:07
you love this person. Why you think this guy
39:10
is not only. a human being that you admire, but
39:15
as a bull, what are the qualities that you see
39:18
in them? And I thought this might be good because
39:21
what I'm going to be talking about is your strengths
39:23
and asking you why you feel your strengths, how
39:27
they apply to the lifestyle and why they have
39:29
helped you be successful. Okay. Does that sound
39:31
like a fun game? Okay. So, you know, you guys
39:35
are going to be covered in flowers by the end
39:37
of this. I'm sure you can. All right, let's go.
39:43
So Socrates, one of your friends described you
39:47
as a sponge. He's probably the spongiest motherfucker
39:50
I know. It was a direct quote. And that means
39:56
that you are a person who has a thirst for knowledge,
39:59
for self -improvement. And they also mentioned
40:03
you strive for excellence. So they are circling
40:07
the idea that anybody who knows you well knows.
40:11
You're an educator, but you're also comfortable
40:14
being the student. So can you tell us why does
40:20
that aspect of your personality help you as a
40:24
bull? And what can other bulls maybe get out
40:27
of being more like that and what it could do
40:29
for them? Oh, yeah. Brother, I'm impressed. That
40:32
was pretty tight. Okay. Why does it help me?
40:41
Oh, my goodness. Here's the thing. Like we said,
40:47
as far as our mission, there are universal principles.
40:50
There are frameworks. There are like the anatomy
40:53
of a woman's body. There are things that are
40:55
consistent, that are replicable, that you can
40:59
start with. That won't tell you everything about
41:01
that individual or the group you're a part of.
41:04
But there are things you can learn that are fundamental.
41:09
I would rather learn those and then with that
41:13
knowledge go through the trial and error because
41:15
you can't escape trial and error. But I'd rather
41:18
come in, like I tell a lot of people, I listen
41:21
to a lot of Michael C's podcasts. Well, he cleared
41:25
up a lot of things of do's and don'ts for me.
41:27
When I started, you know, before I got married
41:30
to Siren, I was just a single bull. And so I
41:34
took a lot of those lessons and just applied
41:36
it and saw that it worked. So, yeah, I really
41:41
do think people should do some kind of research.
41:44
And we did an episode on that. There's different
41:46
kinds of research. You can be someone who gets
41:48
in the books like me. You can be somebody who
41:51
just needs experience or you can be somebody
41:53
who just wants to watch whatever it is. I think
41:57
you should add a little bit more research and
41:59
talk to some people that are doing it the way
42:02
you want to do it. You know, like when I met
42:04
you. I was like, I like a lot of things about
42:07
Pagan, but what really stands out is how he peacocks.
42:12
It's dope that you don't even realize he's peacocking,
42:16
but I know he's peacocking. And so I went to
42:20
you, right? I just went straight to you and said,
42:22
hey man, I want to learn this. You know, I think
42:24
it's dope. And it has, it lended a very good,
42:30
how do I put it? It opened my mind to a thought
42:33
process that I'm, I'm almost done like totally
42:38
revamping my style in a way that fits me authentically
42:42
based on what I learned about the things you
42:45
taught me. So, yeah, I say, you know, take the
42:51
time and learn. Yeah, yeah, that is such great
42:58
advice. And one of the things I will say about
43:00
you, and it almost speaks to the dynamic between
43:03
you and me. Um, cause B you have the other end
43:06
of the spectrum of this. There's the thing about
43:09
being, um, an eternal student. And that means
43:13
you never become so arrogant as to think you've
43:16
learned everything. You could master something,
43:20
but mastery doesn't mean I'm done. And now I
43:24
just atrophy, you know, we gotta be like that
43:27
shark that keeps moving forward, keep consuming,
43:29
keep eating and keep learning. So that balance
43:34
of knowing and being confident, oh, no, I've
43:37
mastered this particular thing. I put in my $10
43:40
,000 plus. And the mattresses are there, you
43:43
know, destroyed to prove it. The idea that I'm
43:52
never going to learn everything. I can always
43:54
grow. That's really, you guys are basically like
43:58
living examples of that spectrum. Okay. So B,
44:02
you ready for some, watch out, some flowers coming
44:04
your way. Uh -oh, uh -oh, uh -oh. Do I want to
44:08
hear this? There was many, I think you do. There
44:13
were many people who brought up very similar
44:15
things. And you put it really a good way earlier
44:19
about being, you know, having the voice of silence,
44:22
quiet, confidence. And one of the things, or
44:30
actually, Four things that I want to start off
44:33
with you. Several people talked about this is
44:37
a man that keeps his word. His word is bond.
44:41
And then these three D's came up. Diligent, disciplined,
44:47
and detailed. So can you speak about being a
44:52
man of his word and how Sumbles... either because
44:59
they should or by some other you know misunderstandings
45:04
they have a reputation for not being that way
45:06
how they can avoid that and being a man of your
45:09
word how does that help you as a bull but also
45:12
this idea of being diligent disciplined and detailed
45:14
how do those aspects of your personality help
45:17
you be successful i'm gonna start with the with
45:21
the last three with the discipline the detail
45:23
and the diligence uh that all comes from um A,
45:28
the two, although they were not in the military,
45:32
but the two Sergeant Major parents that I have
45:34
who are still living, they taught me that if
45:38
you're going to do something, you do it right.
45:42
And if you're going to tell somebody that you're
45:44
going to do something, then also keep your word.
45:49
And your word, P, is that's everything. That
45:54
makes who you are. to me um one of the things
45:58
that i always do um with couples or you know
46:02
a single woman if if i tell you i'm going to
46:05
be someplace they always know that i'm going
46:08
to see them at three o 'clock they always compliment
46:13
me they're like do you ever get here like at
46:15
301 302 or anything like that i said no i if
46:20
i tell you three then usually that means i'm
46:23
already in the ao uh at like 255, you know, your
46:29
word is everything. And, um, I stick to it and
46:35
that's just not in the lifestyle, but that's
46:38
in life period. Um, these podcasts that we do,
46:41
that means hell I'm ready at 645. You know what
46:44
I'm saying? That's, that's, that's letting you
46:47
know, that's letting you know that there's no
46:49
other priority at that time, but you, you see
46:53
what I'm saying? Tonight, there was no other
46:55
priority but Pagan and Socrates and this podcast
46:58
at 7 o 'clock. So when I'm dealing with couples
47:04
and the lifestyle and everything, I let them
47:07
know that I'm there for you. You pleased me when
47:11
you got in contact with me. So now it's all about
47:14
you. So when I meet you, I'll let you know that
47:22
I'm here for you. I'm one hell of a damn listener,
47:26
okay? So when we do the first initial talk, communication
47:32
and talk to each other, I'm taking everything
47:34
in. I'm taking everything in that you say. And
47:37
now it's up to me now to go back and take what
47:40
you said and put it together in a little nice
47:43
format. And that's how I'm gonna treat you every
47:48
time. To me, like what you're also saying is
47:51
the diligence. the um discipline being detailed
47:56
is what allows you to keep your word because
47:58
you got your shit together yeah you're not being
48:01
half -assed you're not oh man i forgot oh is
48:04
that oh it's tonight tonight with that couple
48:06
and then it causes people to not keep their word
48:09
because they're not doing those three things
48:11
that you do so it sounds like great advice a
48:14
man a bull whatever you want to call yourself
48:17
but i break it down to a man a man is good as
48:20
his word that's it yeah that is it well this
48:24
is uh this is really sage advice all right um
48:28
this one is going to go out to kind of both of
48:30
y 'all just on two different um ends socrates
48:34
this is under the the whole subheading of uh
48:39
confidence and one of the things about you socrates
48:44
is one of our uh brothers was telling me like
48:48
what i admire about socrates is he's he's pulling
48:52
these things in as we talked about before but
48:55
like you can tell he's paying attention and he's
48:58
absorbing it i mean b talked about you were taking
49:00
notes notes like for real you know um and one
49:06
of the things i wanted to talk about was like
49:09
when it comes to like self -confidence you have
49:12
been transparent about that wasn't always your
49:14
strong suit right And then for B, one of the
49:20
main things people talk about is his self -confidence
49:23
and how he's unapologetic and, like, transparent.
49:28
Like, his authenticity is off the charts. I don't
49:32
know if a lot of folks know this, but, you know,
49:34
B Morgan is not like a Tom Cruise. This is government.
49:38
Like, this is life. is out there and his people,
49:44
his family is aware. This is how honestly B is
49:48
living. So that takes an extreme amount of self
49:52
-confidence. So I just wanted to talk to both
49:55
of you. Maybe you could go first, Socrates, about
49:58
how like that journey of learning and then how
50:02
much self -confidence you have now, which exudes
50:05
from the podcast and from people who meet you.
50:08
How did that help you? So there's a lot of bulls
50:11
out there that have that issue and are trying
50:15
to take the path you took. And then also, I just
50:17
wanted to ask B after that, when it comes to
50:20
self -confidence, how did you get there to this
50:22
place that you're at? We're almost like the Zen
50:25
master of self -confidence that people talk about.
50:28
You know, but maybe Socrates, you can go first
50:32
about your journey with that and how it could
50:34
help another bull. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know.
50:37
Like, I think we were, I don't know if we were
50:39
on the podcast together. I think it was O -Faces
50:43
when I talked about it first. And I think Dimitri's
50:47
on there and everything. But, yeah, I would say
50:50
this. I was 80 % there before several, I met
50:56
several people. And it's three people, 100%,
50:59
that got me there. And then Unk kind of sealed
51:03
it for me. You know, I grew up, you know, we
51:10
talked about my upbringing and how crazy I grew
51:12
up. And I grew up really confused, very multicultural,
51:16
moved around a lot, a lot of different experiences,
51:19
a lot of different family backgrounds and dynamics.
51:23
So I really grew up thinking, well, I need to
51:26
be all black, but I'm not. I'm also a little
51:28
bit Puerto Rican. I speak Spanish. I love the
51:29
language. All right. I love black history and
51:32
I need to be like Malcolm X. But, you know, I
51:34
really like white folks and, you know, white
51:37
folks are cool. And, you know, so I grew up really
51:39
confused, just all over the place. And but I
51:45
also grew up improving myself and working on
51:47
myself and getting better at almost everything
51:49
I do. So I got to a point where when I say I
51:53
was about 80 % there, I got to the point where
51:55
I was like, I got some skills. It's not like
51:58
I'm ugly. It's not like I don't have anything
52:01
to offer. But I knew that 20 % was the thing
52:06
that was missing that allowed me to be confident.
52:10
So I was insecure because I was like, well, I'm
52:13
80 % there, but for whatever reason, it's not
52:17
translating with people around me. Fast forward,
52:21
what happened is I met three important people,
52:25
and then including Unk, Brian Morgan, sealing
52:28
it. My wife, Michael C., and Mr. Mocha. And first
52:36
my wife taught me one thing. It was the people
52:38
I was surrounding myself with. I would not post
52:43
on Facebook because I didn't want to deal with
52:44
maybe 20 % of people hating on me or hating on
52:48
the idea. Just not even, and I definitely didn't
52:51
want to talk to anybody about it. So she taught
52:58
me it's really all about the people on your page
53:01
and the people you surround yourself with, you
53:04
know? And so, you know, that was one. And then
53:08
she taught me about my self -talk. Siren is really
53:11
big into manifestation and... positive mental
53:15
attitude and perspective and I have learned a
53:18
lot about that but I realized I had a lot of
53:21
negative self -talk in my head saying I'm not
53:23
going to be successful or people don't appreciate
53:25
this or it's not going to happen so that really
53:29
laid down a good foundation and then I don't
53:33
know if I've told this story yet but Michael
53:35
C me and Michael C started talking and I think
53:38
this is when I first started producing for a
53:40
show for a while And he was talking about confidence.
53:43
And he said, he tells a story of him looking
53:46
at confidence as a suit that you put on or a
53:51
personality that you add to yourself. And looking
53:55
at it as if, you know, it's a third party. And
54:00
saying to yourself one thing, what would confident
54:02
LeBron do in this moment? And that little small
54:06
paradigm shift totally jumped, like, like changed
54:13
the game for me because I would ask myself, what
54:16
would LeBron do? And half the time I'm like,
54:18
no, that was some stupid, that's some stupid
54:19
shit. Don't do that. You know? And then I wouldn't
54:24
do anything or I'd do some stupid shit. So I
54:33
couldn't ask myself that, but then what would
54:36
confident LeBron do? That gave my nerdish brain.
54:40
like almost like a connection to a file. And
54:45
I can go into my brain for all the things that
54:48
I've, books I've read and things I've studied
54:51
and YouTube channels and whatever I've done on
54:54
what cool people do and how I could do it for
54:57
myself authentically. And so it kind of gave
55:00
me like this database of things that I could,
55:02
oh, cool LeBron would say this and cool, you
55:04
know, and confident LeBron would say do that.
55:07
Confident LeBron would just go up to her and,
55:08
you know, say this and say, you know. So that
55:12
changed the game. And then last, it was a personal
55:16
conversation that me and Mr. Mocha were having.
55:18
And I was talking about the diversity of who
55:20
I am. I speak Spanish. I like to speak proper
55:24
English. But I'm also born in the country. You
55:27
know, I've been around every kind of race. You
55:30
know, I grew up on a farm sometimes and a hood
55:33
the next and around very educated. you know,
55:37
career -focused black folks and ministry to gangsters
55:41
and, you know, thugs and pimps. So I grew up
55:46
confused about all of it. Like, who am I? And
55:49
Mr. Mocha damn near yelled at me and was like,
55:55
dude, I wish I had all them damn skills. You
55:57
don't need to freaking pick on you all of it,
56:00
nickel. You know, he was going off on me. you
56:03
know, in love, but he was, he was, I'm tired
56:07
of this shit. And he would say, you know, I've
56:10
been on the end of one of them. Right. Oh yeah.
56:14
That's a good impression. You just did. Yeah.
56:18
And so he was like, man, he started off with,
56:22
do you know? Cause you know, I think it was the
56:24
Atlanta splash. I was. I got in trouble because
56:27
I was trying to holler at some of the employees.
56:29
I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to do that.
56:32
But they were Latinas. And so I was hollering
56:34
in Spanish. And he was like, man, do you know
56:36
what I would do if I just had that one? So he
56:42
helped me realize, like, it's all me. If I show
56:44
up in some cowboy boots and cowboy hat, that's
56:47
me. Like, straight up. If I show up in some chucks
56:50
and some khaki suits and a red hat and a red
56:52
bandana, that's me. You know? You know, last
56:57
splash, I was a nerd, you know, for one of the,
57:00
that's me. And that's who I am. Fuck the rest
57:04
if you don't like it, you know? And that's, and
57:07
then Brian Morgan explained to me what a real
57:12
Sigma male is, and then he read off something.
57:14
I don't know if he wrote it or found it somewhere,
57:17
but he talked about the kind of Sigma male that
57:19
I am, which is somebody who holds very complicated,
57:23
almost sometimes, contradictory ideas in his
57:26
head at one time and can process it. Like, I
57:30
don't, you know how Tesla can imagine things
57:33
in his head digitally? Like, I mean, you know,
57:36
in a physical way, three -dimensionally? I can
57:40
do that with concepts. I can't do that with objects.
57:43
But I can hold several long process of concepts
57:47
in my head. And he explained that that is a version
57:50
of Signal Now. And I was like, oh, that's it.
57:54
So that gave it a container. That gave it a framework
57:58
to put all the other stuff in that Siren and
58:02
Michael C. and Mr. Mocha taught me. And that
58:05
sealed it. It was done. Okay. Okay. That brings
58:09
us to B. Yeah. In terms of getting it where you
58:15
are with your self -confidence, which, you know,
58:19
as you say, you live this life 24 -7. Many people...
58:24
wish they could do that many people um you know
58:29
are obviously afraid of that um but in terms
58:35
of that or just having self -confidence in general
58:38
as a bull um which we all know we're all attracted
58:42
to people who have it um how did you get there
58:46
and what advice could you give like a young bull
58:48
um First of all, here again, be who you are.
58:56
Be yourself. And that takes time to find out
59:00
who you really are, okay? My journey started,
59:05
of course, and here again, I'm bringing up the
59:09
OG of all OGs to me, and that's my dad. My father
59:13
says, son, look at yourself in the mirror. And
59:17
every day when you wake up, And you visualize,
59:22
you see what you look like. He said, you'd be
59:24
extra proud of that person. He said, it doesn't
59:30
matter if you're a skinny guy. Because here again,
59:31
I had problems with being skinny. And I did not
59:37
develop until I joined the military. So he told
59:43
me, he said. Just be very, very confident in
59:47
who you are 24 -7. He said, when you walk into
59:50
a room, don't walk into the room. Become the
59:52
room. Take the room. And I always kept that in
59:56
the back of my mind. Now, when I joined the military,
1:00:00
I met some sergeants major, about two or three
1:00:04
guys, one in the gym who took me under his wing.
1:00:07
And that was where I started developing a physique.
1:00:14
And when I did that, that changed my whole mindset,
1:00:18
Pagan. It really did. I was able to, here again,
1:00:23
like my dad said, I wouldn't walk into the club.
1:00:26
I took the club. I would do what he said, walk
1:00:31
around about two or three times and let them
1:00:34
see the package. And then come back and you sit
1:00:36
down in the corner and you just sit there. Don't
1:00:39
get up anymore. Don't get up. He said, you be
1:00:43
just like a particular secret agent, and I won't
1:00:46
say the three numbers and stuff, but we all know
1:00:49
who it is. Okay, double O, and I'll stop it there.
1:00:52
But he said, you be just like that guy sitting
1:00:55
over there in the corner, and you give them something
1:00:57
to think about. And they're going to look at
1:01:00
you, and they're going to be like, okay, who
1:01:01
is this guy? You know, who is this guy? And it
1:01:10
went from there. I kind of recreated Brian Morgan.
1:01:16
And I always said to myself, when I got into
1:01:20
the lifestyle and I started, you know, going
1:01:22
on SDC and SLS and all that stuff, AFF, and I
1:01:26
would see, you know, the usernames and dah, dah,
1:01:28
dah, and all that. I was like, okay, my name
1:01:31
is Brian Morgan. What the hell's wrong with that?
1:01:33
You know, this is who I am. So I was like. I'm
1:01:41
sticking to that. And yes, I looked up the archetypes
1:01:45
of the Sigma male, and I was like, okay, that's
1:01:48
what I am too. I'm a bull, but I am a Sigma first
1:01:53
and foremost. So here again, I stuck with who
1:02:01
I am instead of trying to go to events or trying
1:02:04
to be somebody that I'm not. And what I would
1:02:09
tell the young guys that are coming into this
1:02:11
life right now is to sit back. If you attend
1:02:17
an event or whatever, small event, whatever,
1:02:19
sit back and just look at some of the guys who
1:02:23
are there. Observe, observe, see how they work.
1:02:29
If that is something that you think you might
1:02:32
be able to, you know, emulate. Okay, cool. But
1:02:36
I would suggest though, you, you, Find out, like
1:02:39
I said, find out what works for you. Find out
1:02:41
what works for you. If you are a talker, if you
1:02:43
are a talker, by all means, conversate, all right?
1:02:46
If you're not a talker like myself and you know
1:02:49
you have an aura about you, sit there. Let's
1:02:52
see who comes to you. If you have a little bit
1:02:54
of both, branch out. Let's see how you work.
1:02:59
But don't be afraid to fail. That's another thing
1:03:04
about confidence also. Don't be afraid to fail.
1:03:07
And when you fail, fail big. Because when you
1:03:10
come back with the right equation, that's going
1:03:12
to make you a dangerous motherfucker. And that's
1:03:15
what happened to me. I had to fail a couple of
1:03:17
times in order to get the equation right. But
1:03:20
when I got it right, and now it has evolved over
1:03:24
the years, that's who the Sigma male is now.
1:03:30
whoever you talk to and they were like yeah he's
1:03:33
confident and he's this and he's that uh thank
1:03:36
you tell them thank you because they kind of
1:03:39
hit it right on the head that's why i gotta i
1:03:42
gotta break it to you that's that's everybody
1:03:44
that's how everybody describes you um okay the
1:03:48
the great thing about what i got from both of
1:03:51
you guys that is a thread that i heard throughout
1:03:54
is that you can create your own reality Confidence
1:03:59
is not a bus that you're waiting on and you're
1:04:02
sitting at a bus stop and it's going to stop
1:04:04
by. It's something that you make. You, you know,
1:04:08
Socrates, you talked about like that moment with
1:04:12
Michael C when he was just like, it's like a
1:04:14
suit you put on. Right. B, you talked about a
1:04:17
time when your body transformed. and your mind
1:04:20
followed that transformation yes yes there's
1:04:24
things that you guys actualized and did you guys
1:04:27
remind me of uh there's an amazing um speaker
1:04:31
amy cuddy she's uh does a great ted talk you
1:04:35
can check out but she did an experiment where
1:04:38
just by putting your hands on your hips or sitting
1:04:42
in a chair with your legs like spread open in
1:04:44
a power pose these poses trick your body into
1:04:51
thinking you're in charge, even when you might
1:04:53
be nervous and not in charge. And so if you put
1:04:57
your hands on your hips for two minutes, she
1:04:59
found out your cortisol drops. That's the fear
1:05:03
hormone. It drops like 20%. Your testosterone
1:05:06
shoots up and you have more confidence. So you
1:05:11
can literally like fake it till you make it into
1:05:13
something that people say, oh, that's bullshit.
1:05:15
No, that's how it works. You make it happen by
1:05:18
just acting like it. And that's what you guys
1:05:21
do, which is really interesting. But I don't
1:05:25
have time for, I think, one more question maybe.
1:05:29
Yeah. So I'm going to try to make it a good one.
1:05:33
Socrates, one of the things people said about
1:05:36
you is, and this definitely sounds like the guy
1:05:39
we talked about earlier, who is always self -improving
1:05:42
and striving for knowledge. You're just a listener.
1:05:45
You're not like a talker. You talk when you have
1:05:49
listened already. How does that help a bull across
1:05:53
the board from dealing with other bulls to dealing
1:05:55
with couples, women? How do you think that's
1:05:58
helped you? Well, first, let me give my wife
1:06:02
credit for getting me there because she really
1:06:05
helped me develop that skill. And like Unk said,
1:06:09
thank whoever said that. I really appreciate
1:06:12
that. I want to go back to some old school wisdom
1:06:16
and people have dropped this, especially in the,
1:06:18
I'm big in the manosphere or red pill community
1:06:21
or, you know, the Andrew Tate thing. Not that
1:06:23
I like Andrew. I don't really like Andrew Tate,
1:06:25
but I'm big in that community. I learned a lot,
1:06:29
especially with a guy called Orion Terriban.
1:06:31
I really like the way his perspective is. But
1:06:34
so when John Gray described men are from Mars,
1:06:39
women are from Venus, his fundamental principle
1:06:42
is that. We communicate in a different way. And
1:06:46
men have, you know, men and women throughout
1:06:49
the years have gone through a transformation,
1:06:51
especially when it comes to the workforce. And
1:06:54
back in the day, we were like hunters. And what
1:06:59
does a hunter do when he's hunting? He's quiet.
1:07:02
He's low. He doesn't make a lot of noise. You
1:07:05
don't want to scare or frighten or chase away
1:07:09
the thing you're hunting. So he would say, we're
1:07:14
not hunters anymore. We're in an office space.
1:07:17
We work from home. We're on a computer. He says,
1:07:20
but you could do that with your wife or your
1:07:22
girlfriend. And he says, get low. Be quiet. Listen
1:07:27
more. And what happens is that all quiet people
1:07:35
will tell you one statement. If you shut up and
1:07:38
listen, that person will tell you everything
1:07:40
you want to know. And it's so true. So true.
1:07:44
And so in the lifestyle, it's the same thing.
1:07:48
Listen, almost every woman you're playing with
1:07:51
has a way they want you to approach her. And
1:07:56
if you listen, she'll tell you straight out or
1:08:00
give you a lot of clues. She'll tell you. what
1:08:04
she values and what she doesn't value. She'll
1:08:07
mention things like, well, those people over
1:08:09
there are doing that, and I'm not judging, but,
1:08:11
you know, she'll give you hints on what she likes
1:08:15
and what she doesn't like. So that's a recent
1:08:19
skill that I've learned that has really paid
1:08:21
off recently because when I'm focused and I'm
1:08:27
listening to what she's saying, it helps a bull
1:08:30
so many ways because she wants... you to succeed
1:08:34
right you're the one with the hard dick you're
1:08:37
the one that has to perform not that it's a thing
1:08:40
where you know you have to make her happy or
1:08:42
you're at her beck and call or anything like
1:08:44
that but men perform right and so you're both
1:08:47
enjoying each other but she wants you to succeed
1:08:51
she wants you to know what you're doing now some
1:08:54
of them want you to ask questions and guess or
1:08:58
just do what you do and and figure it out but
1:09:01
when you're listening to her she's giving you
1:09:04
clues, especially in a lifestyle setting. If
1:09:06
you're at a lifestyle party or cruise or wherever,
1:09:09
you know what you're there for. We know what
1:09:11
we're there for. I mean, you know, half the people
1:09:14
at a vanilla club know what they're there for,
1:09:16
you know? But, so, listen, because when you,
1:09:23
another old school book I recommend, it's a vanilla
1:09:27
book, it's called Seven Habits of Highly Effective
1:09:30
People. And, One of the habits, I think the second
1:09:34
habit was seek first. No, the sixth habit. Seek
1:09:37
first to understand, then to be understood. And
1:09:42
another thing that Siren always says, be interested,
1:09:47
not interesting. So if you can sit back and be
1:09:52
interested in what she about and, you know, remember
1:09:57
what her dress was when you met her and mention
1:10:00
it later. Understand what really got her there.
1:10:04
I like to hear origin stories. What got you to
1:10:07
sexual freedom? You know, those kind of things.
1:10:09
What were some of the barriers that get you here
1:10:12
mentally and physically, financially or anything?
1:10:15
You know, what's the story of how you got to
1:10:18
be so liberate? All those kind of things gives
1:10:21
you clues on who she is and how you can approach
1:10:25
her. And when you do that, it just, it makes
1:10:28
it. I don't know if I should use this word, but
1:10:31
it makes it more efficient. And I don't mean
1:10:33
efficient like heartless or cold. I mean, you're
1:10:38
going to get to the things that she wants you
1:10:40
to get to, that you want to, which is a good
1:10:43
time, which is to see if you vibe. Because a
1:10:46
lot of times if you listen, you realize pretty
1:10:48
soon or really early on in the conversation,
1:10:50
we don't vibe. Like you cool and everything,
1:10:54
but we don't vibe. We're going to be talking
1:10:59
about in a future episode about different clicks
1:11:01
and why I think clicks are good sometimes and
1:11:04
certain kind of vibes and certain kind of groups.
1:11:07
So when you listen, you can tell, okay, is she
1:11:09
feeling me or is she not? Am I vibing? Is she
1:11:13
vibing? You know, what are her values are? Where
1:11:15
is she coming from? That information, even if
1:11:18
it's just subconsciously being registered, it
1:11:21
all helps, man. And it all helps you doing, enjoying,
1:11:25
having a good time and reducing friction. you
1:11:28
know can i add on to that i know it's not my
1:11:31
question but can i just say something no go ahead
1:11:34
i mean if you hit it out of the park i mean he
1:11:37
absolutely hit it out of the park but i also
1:11:39
have to say that when you are as a bull when
1:11:42
you are in tune with that couple via listening
1:11:47
like that and you are not only listening but
1:11:50
you giving them that eye contact and you will
1:11:54
find out very very quickly that they, not just
1:11:59
her, that they are into you. They've already
1:12:03
given their signal to each other that, okay,
1:12:07
we definitely want to see this guy again because
1:12:10
he's not just here just to bed you down tonight.
1:12:14
He's actually getting to know us as a couple.
1:12:17
He's putting us first and foremost. He's making
1:12:20
us feel like we are the only couple on the face
1:12:22
of the earth right now. And I am loving this
1:12:25
shit. All right. Her body language. If she, if
1:12:29
you guys started sitting, um, say a little bit
1:12:32
kind of sort of distance away from each other,
1:12:35
but at the end of the conversation, she's done
1:12:38
moved over. Oh, almost, you know, where you are
1:12:41
and God forbid, if she throws a little, the little
1:12:44
forearm touch or the little touch on the knee
1:12:47
or something like that. Oh brother, you're in
1:12:50
there. You're in there. Okay. And that is what
1:12:54
couples. are looking for, in my opinion, when
1:12:58
I say bulls provide the bull boyfriend experience.
1:13:05
That's what they're looking for. That's great.
1:13:09
So, B, last one for you. A lot of the people
1:13:15
who admired you were talking about how, like,
1:13:19
you have made a journey that they admire because
1:13:22
you used to be a lone wolf. And now you have
1:13:28
taken this path where you are one of the leaders
1:13:32
in brotherhood, in creating a community, in having
1:13:37
a standard. So can you talk a little bit about
1:13:40
that? Like for the lone wolves out there listening
1:13:43
who might want to be that, and that's perfectly
1:13:47
fine, nothing wrong with it, but there's others
1:13:50
who might want to have more brotherhood. Can
1:13:53
you? talk about your journey and maybe help those
1:13:56
guys out? First and foremost, I'm still a lone
1:14:02
wolf. I'm still a lone wolf, but I've opened
1:14:05
up the gate a little bit. I've opened up the
1:14:08
gate a lot. At my age now, like I said before,
1:14:13
I want to bring other guys in. I want to teach.
1:14:18
I want to mentor. I want other... Whether you're
1:14:22
younger or you're older, I want other guys to
1:14:24
come in and embrace who they really are in this
1:14:28
lifestyle. If you are a Sigma, if you're Alpha,
1:14:31
doesn't matter, right? Come in and be you. Come
1:14:36
in and be you. So what I've done is, as I said
1:14:40
before, normally I'm not a huge conversationalist.
1:14:44
I'm not a talker. I have gone through 30 years.
1:14:50
of this, of being in this lifestyle, of being
1:14:52
the CEO and president of MeFi Me fraternity.
1:14:58
Okay. I did not have anybody that I ran with
1:15:01
until now. And to have let a group of brothers
1:15:09
like you guys come into my life, I realized that
1:15:13
I needed it. I really did need it because I am
1:15:17
seeing how... I'm seeing how there are different
1:15:22
prototypes out there, such as yourself, Pagan,
1:15:27
with all of your knowledge and intellect, as
1:15:31
well as Nephew with the listening skills that
1:15:35
he has, but also, as he calls himself, he's nerdy
1:15:39
with it. I don't think he's nerdy. I just think
1:15:42
he is unique. Michael C., Mr. Mocha, Dimitri,
1:15:48
everybody brings something different to this
1:15:51
brotherhood. So if I'm telling a young buck out
1:15:56
there how to navigate in this lifestyle, if he
1:16:01
may be a lone wolf, if you're a young dude, it
1:16:06
is fine right now, here again, to find yourself
1:16:10
if you're in your 20s or 30s. as you get older
1:16:15
um and you begin to set certain standards about
1:16:21
yourself and you see that they're working and
1:16:24
not only that they're working other people are
1:16:26
gravitating to you other guys are gravitating
1:16:29
wanting to talk to you and find out what you're
1:16:31
all about and you'll have questions such and
1:16:33
such let them in don't shut them out like i did
1:16:36
um i was guilty of that you know up until now
1:16:41
um but let me teach teach teach there's nothing
1:16:45
wrong with with teaching there's nothing wrong
1:16:48
with helping uh that age you in growing and becoming
1:16:53
a better bull in this lifestyle so i mean i hope
1:16:56
i didn't throw it in there you know kind of different
1:17:00
but hell i mean that's me i love that you clarified
1:17:08
You still identify as a lone wolf, but you have
1:17:11
learned over time the value of what the pack
1:17:16
can provide. Yes. So, you know, it doesn't mean
1:17:20
you don't still have your own style, but you
1:17:23
have learned the value of the brotherhood. And
1:17:26
obviously, I mean, you guys have this podcast.
1:17:29
You are clearly reaching out to people that you
1:17:33
are maybe never going to meet, but helping. That's
1:17:36
a really good way to look at it. You don't have
1:17:38
to give up being a lone wolf to do what you're
1:17:40
doing. Oh, no. Oh, no. And the beauty of this,
1:17:45
just this brotherhood between ourselves and Michael
1:17:50
C., Dimitri, Mocha, is that we all bring something
1:17:55
different to the table. And when you put the
1:17:59
whole equation together, I mean, that's just,
1:18:02
that's a beautiful thing. it's not only beautiful
1:18:06
but i'm like god damn that's a weapon you know
1:18:08
what i mean it really is a weapon um and here
1:18:11
again all of this knowledge needs to be told
1:18:14
it needs to be told and god forbid when we do
1:18:17
start having these events ladies and gentlemen
1:18:21
this is going to be wild it's going to be it's
1:18:25
going to be not only a play a play event But
1:18:29
we are going to be teaching. We are going to
1:18:31
be mentoring. And we are going to be passing
1:18:33
down this knowledge, you know, not only to the
1:18:35
bulls out there, but for the couples also. And
1:18:39
this journey is just ongoing, man. I love it.
1:18:44
I love where we're going. Well, thank you, gentlemen,
1:18:48
both for allowing me to take a few steps on that
1:18:51
journey with you tonight. This was amazing. I
1:18:53
got to learn a lot about you guys. I didn't know.
1:18:56
Um, I'm sure the audience is going to learn a
1:18:59
lot too, but also I feel like this was a really
1:19:01
valuable episode. Um, I don't know, man, this,
1:19:04
this might be, if you have an episode one, this
1:19:07
might be episode zero. This might be the prequel
1:19:10
where people get to know you and then you launch
1:19:15
into one. I don't know, but this was a really
1:19:17
great way to get to know you and for the audience
1:19:20
just to understand like, oh, so this is who was
1:19:23
giving me advice. um and you guys are uniquely
1:19:26
qualified to do it i feel like everyone from
1:19:29
the mentee to the mentor um and everything in
1:19:33
between as well as the female perspective with
1:19:35
siren you guys have a really unique dynamic that
1:19:39
can reach out to so many people man and i'm a
1:19:41
i'm a nerd too socrates man i think about how
1:19:44
these these radio waves and all the stuff that
1:19:47
we send out it just goes out forever into space
1:19:50
you know what i mean right so you don't know
1:19:52
man it could be a hundred thousand years from
1:19:54
now some bull on planet zebulon five you're gonna
1:19:57
be listening to this one oh that's what i need
1:19:59
to do oh okay so yeah i just love that you guys
1:20:06
you guys are putting this out in the world and
1:20:08
you don't know where the good that you're doing
1:20:11
is going but it's it's definitely putting out
1:20:14
positive energy so appreciate being a part of
1:20:17
it gentlemen brother thank you so much man for
1:20:20
taking your time tonight to come here and uh
1:20:23
and be that special host i tell you although
1:20:26
you and i have not shaken hands yet and actually
1:20:28
met i feel like we've known each other for years
1:20:31
i really do exactly i really do i feel like we
1:20:34
have known i feel like we have known each other
1:20:36
for years and here again that's just what i'm
1:20:38
talking about man the the core the core of this
1:20:42
brotherhood we are truly brothers we are brothers
1:20:46
And like I said, I cannot wait to damn chop it
1:20:48
up with your ass in person. I know I am going
1:20:51
to trip. You, Socrates, Michael C. Man, shit,
1:20:55
I'm going to sit in the corner and just be like,
1:20:56
okay, roll it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you
1:21:02
again. Again, brother, thank you for your time,
1:21:05
man. Nephew, you got anything to say before we
1:21:07
call it a night? Yeah, I just want to thank you
1:21:10
again, Pagan. You know, we knew you were going
1:21:13
to. you know, throw some curve balls and we really
1:21:17
appreciate it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I
1:21:21
love it. And yeah, I just want to say thank you.
1:21:25
You did an amazing job. We really appreciate
1:21:27
it. And yeah, we're just looking forward to the
1:21:29
future, man, and everything. And yeah, thank
1:21:34
you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity,
1:21:37
gentlemen. And with that, I will let you guys
1:21:40
sign off on your podcast. I'm handing you the
1:21:43
reins back. It's yours again. Take it away. All
1:21:46
right, brother. Again, man, thank you for everything,
1:21:49
okay? And to the listeners out there, we hope
1:21:51
you have enjoyed another informative podcast
1:21:55
from the Bull Brotherhood. And again, thank you
1:21:58
to our brother, Pagan, for being a special co
1:22:01
-host tonight. and bringing just that knowledge,
1:22:03
just dropping that knowledge to everybody tonight.
1:22:05
And as I sign off, this is Sigma Male, Lee Morgan,
1:22:09
along with my boy, the nephew himself, Socrates.
1:22:13
And to all the Bulls brotherhood out there, good
1:22:16
night. And to all of my loving hot wives, good
1:22:21
morning. Until we meet again, talk again. Good
1:22:25
night.