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Tony Kanaan _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _407(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: I want to announce a new tour date. November 3rd
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  Speaker 1: in San Diego at the Balboa Theater. We'll be heading
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  Speaker 1: down there with the Return of the Rat tour. The
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  Speaker 1: Patreon presale starts today at 2 p.m. The artist presale
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  Speaker 1: starts tomorrow at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. That's September
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  Speaker 1: 7th with the code RATKING. And the general on sale
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  Speaker 1: will be Friday, September 9th at 10 a.m. And they're
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  Speaker 1: available to everyone then with no code. As well, we
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  Speaker 1: have October 11th and 12th in Wichita, Kansas. October 13th, Omaha, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 1: And October 14th, Denver, Colorado. Both those shows are sold out.
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  Speaker 1: But we will be adding new Denver dates and some
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  Speaker 1: other Colorado dates in the earliest part of the year.
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  Speaker 1: It's looking like January. You can go to theovon.com slash tour, T-O-U-R,
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  Speaker 1: for those tickets, for all tickets. Thank you for your support.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to announce that we've got the new Rat
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  Speaker 1: King Racing Collection hitting the store today. If you like
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  Speaker 1: being in a vehicle, if you like driving or yielding,
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  Speaker 1: using your blinker, going fast, using gasoline, if you like
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  Speaker 1: all of that, automobiliary, you'll love it. It's at TheoVonStore.com,
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  Speaker 1: the Rat King Racing Collection shirts, hoodies, hats.
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  Speaker 2: Get that hitter, baby. Gang.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is, he's that racer baby. He's that skirt boy.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He likes being on wheels.
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  Speaker 1: He's been an IndyCar driver for 25 years. He's won
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  Speaker 1: the Indy 500. He's from Brazil. He's from another country.
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  Speaker 1: But he's put a lot of miles on America, that's
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  Speaker 1: for sure. His team took me out earlier today in
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  Speaker 1: an IndyCar car. And, man, I hit a couple hundred miles.
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  Speaker 1: I hit a damn mock or a couple mocks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I hit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still people looking for me. So that's
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  Speaker 1: how fast we went. I'm grateful to have him here
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  Speaker 1: today to learn about his life and to learn about racing.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Canale. Shine that light on me.
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  Speaker 3: I'll sit and tell you my story. And I will
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  Speaker 3: find a song I've been singing.
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  Speaker 1: For years Yeah, man. So if I seem flustered, the pool,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which immediately tells people that I'm making money. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The pool, something broke, and the water's flowing into the
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  Speaker 1: backyard right now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I tell my kids and my
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  Speaker 2: wife at home, because obviously we work hard, we make money,
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  Speaker 2: but if we didn't have a pool, we wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: that problem.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But like I was traveling to a race. We live
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  Speaker 2: in Indianapolis and I have four kids. Oh, wow. They
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  Speaker 2: all go to the races with me when they can.
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  Speaker 2: So I have obviously a smart home with all the
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  Speaker 2: security because, you know, you have to have it. And
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  Speaker 2: I turn the alarm on and I can see anything
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  Speaker 2: that happens. I can see it on my phones. And
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  Speaker 2: going down the road, driving to one of the races,
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  Speaker 2: my phone starts to go nuts and gives me different
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  Speaker 2: alarms that, you know, the bathroom light's on. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: somebody's in the house. And I'm looking at the camera
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  Speaker 2: and I can't see it. I can't see it. We're
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  Speaker 2: not too far off. I said, you know what? We
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  Speaker 2: need to turn around and see what's going on. We
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  Speaker 2: had nobody there. So I turned around and came home.
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  Speaker 2: But first you get home, you're like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to fight. I don't have a gun. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if somebody's here, but I also don't want to call
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  Speaker 2: the police to look like the fool that like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: so I go in, that is nothing going on. I'm like, what's,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong. And the phone's going crazy. Then I start
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  Speaker 2: trying to turn the light on to check. Doesn't turn on.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, something's happened. Are we going to catch
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  Speaker 2: fire anyway, to make a story short, because you talk
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  Speaker 2: about your basement. I have, it's a smart home and
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  Speaker 2: all the equipment is in the basement in a room
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  Speaker 2: with air conditioning because they say it needs to keep
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  Speaker 2: it cool. Like, you know, like we do it in
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  Speaker 2: the studio. And it's positioned in a room specifically made,
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  Speaker 2: but that is one pipe, one single pipe that goes through.
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  Speaker 2: That was actually, they put the rack with all the
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  Speaker 2: equipment underneath. It was the sewer pipe. No, so it's dripping?
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  Speaker 2: And it was broken. Damn. So- It leaked, it burned
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  Speaker 2: the entire system so the house wasn't working, but also
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  Speaker 2: it's the sewer pipe. So you can imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Not your finest pipe, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it was floating. By the time I got back,
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  Speaker 2: it was at least 40 minutes between, and then it
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  Speaker 2: flowed the basement with that clean water. Wow. So who
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  Speaker 2: had to go in there? Well, I was in there.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as I saw that, I'm not very good at,
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  Speaker 2: I almost barfed. Yeah. I told my wife, look, damage
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  Speaker 2: is done. nobody's going down there. And I still had
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  Speaker 2: to drive. I mean, we're like, I have to go
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  Speaker 2: to a race. Right. So I called a couple of
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  Speaker 2: the contractors, the guy that built my house and they
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  Speaker 2: helped me out and they, they sent people there. We
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  Speaker 2: fixed the pipe and had to call the insurance company
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  Speaker 2: because that we had to change everything. The whole car.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everything was, so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is that probably the worst thing that's happened to you
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  Speaker 1: as a homeowner?
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  Speaker 2: You think? No, I, um, I lived in Miami for
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  Speaker 2: 22 years, and I used to collect watches, like expensive
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  Speaker 2: watches and stuff, but never really had them in a
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  Speaker 2: safe or anything. I had probably 35 expensive watches, not insured. No.
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  Speaker 2: But you do interviews, you talk about things you like.
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  Speaker 2: You have cars, you have this. It's not a brag,
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  Speaker 2: but people are like, oh, so I know you like watches.
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  Speaker 2: So then I actually had just given an interview to
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  Speaker 2: a watch guy. And I got home and they're all gone.
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  Speaker 2: Couple million bucks. Really? A couple million bucks worth? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Some expensive. Like if people don't understand about watches, but
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  Speaker 2: a Rolex Ponyoman, which is very rare. Like, yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: actually got left with the watch that I was wearing,
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  Speaker 2: which is always my workout watch, which was the cheapest one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Damn, isn't that crazy how you'll get something nice
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  Speaker 1: for yourself and then you just kind of lock it away?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Theo, that's something that I hopefully, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully it didn't happen to you, but you feel so violated, right?
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  Speaker 2: So you work so hard. I don't come from a
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  Speaker 2: rich family. I mean, everything I've done, I really worked hard.
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  Speaker 2: I gave up a lot of things to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Never with the intention to make money. I mean, to
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  Speaker 2: be rich. I've never said, oh, I want to be
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  Speaker 2: a race car driver because I want to be rich.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to race. But then- You like nice things.
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  Speaker 2: You make money, blah, blah, blah. And then somebody just
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  Speaker 2: come and takes it from you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have been really disheartening.
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  Speaker 2: It was so bad that actually to this day, I
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  Speaker 2: probably have five watches now. I love watches. And I
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  Speaker 2: bought my top five because then you go, you don't
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  Speaker 2: need all of it. You don't. You really like, looks like,
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  Speaker 2: you know. people can take you the wrong way to
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  Speaker 2: when you brag, wow, I had 40 watches. I just
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  Speaker 2: liked them. I didn't, you know, it wasn't like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I have them to brag. Yeah, how much time you need. Here,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you have one, well, you have two wrists,
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  Speaker 2: but you're only supposed to wear one watch at a time.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like, so I bought my favorite five
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  Speaker 2: watches and that's it. I would never bought it again.
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  Speaker 2: Now I have a safe, then you insure them and
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  Speaker 2: so on.
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  Speaker 1: But it almost ruined your love for them a little
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  Speaker 1: bit that somebody- You just go.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. And it did go away. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: On that particular, like, I don't know, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call, like, pleasure that I have of collecting, that is,
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  Speaker 2: it's been gone ever since. It's been 12 years now, but. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I could have, thank God, I could have bought all
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  Speaker 2: of them back or some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: And did you call a detective or anything like that?
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  Speaker 2: So we did, but like I said, they were not insured.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the watches, I mean, I had listed, so
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  Speaker 2: they say, well, if this watch comes to service at
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  Speaker 2: Rolex or whatever- We can probably catch it. If not,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be gone. So we think it's so
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  Speaker 2: hard because when you do an interview, look how many
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  Speaker 2: millions of people are watching us, right? And then I
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  Speaker 2: could say something. And nowadays you can Google anything. Our lives,
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  Speaker 2: because we live on a social media environment, they know
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  Speaker 2: when you're gone, right? As soon as you post, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to LA. I'm shooting in LA today. Whoever
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  Speaker 2: knows that where you live, They can't assume you're not
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  Speaker 2: in your home.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if they come, I hope they don't come to swim.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell them that.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. And that's my biggest fear,
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  Speaker 2: especially coming from Brazil, which is a third world country.
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  Speaker 2: Is it? Yes. It's not as wealthy as America. You
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of those kind of things. And my
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  Speaker 2: biggest fear is when people know I'm gone, my family's
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  Speaker 2: at home. And they know my wife is alone.
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  Speaker 1: So you try to protect yourself. And in Brazil, do
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of kidnappings and stuff like that?
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  Speaker 1: Big time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when I go down there, which I do
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  Speaker 2: a lot, I still have family there. My oldest kid
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  Speaker 2: still lives there. I'm racing there this year. I have
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  Speaker 2: a bulletproof car.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And I have two bodyguards that follow me on another car.
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  Speaker 2: And talk about not having any privacy. Because if you
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  Speaker 2: try not to catch attention... You know that well enough.
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  Speaker 2: You shouldn't walk around with four people looking like a
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  Speaker 2: wardrobe behind you. Like double O-C-F-A or whatever. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then every time you stop somewhere, they go in first,
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  Speaker 2: check it out, and then you come out and people
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  Speaker 2: are like, well, who's that? But a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: do that, which is it takes your privacy away. It
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  Speaker 2: takes a lot of things away. And I'm always worried
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  Speaker 2: about my mom. My mom is 74.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because it's almost like you achieve some
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  Speaker 1: of your dreams and your goals and then you have to,
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  Speaker 1: even if you want to be anonymous, you almost can't
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  Speaker 1: be just for your own safety.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but then when you talk about kidnapping, they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to come for me, right? They're going to come
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  Speaker 2: to my kids, to my mom, to my sister, because
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  Speaker 2: they want me to probably pay for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if they call, if they kidnap you, they can't
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  Speaker 1: call you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't call me. And then I say, guys,
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  Speaker 2: if I don't make a call to get you the money,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to get you the money?
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  Speaker 1: Unless they're the worst kidnappers ever.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, if they call my wife, she might
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  Speaker 2: pay them to keep me for a few extra months. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: And in Brazil, is it a, I guess like, well,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about that bulletproof car. So that thing is like.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's the most amazing thing you'll see. I mean, it's,
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  Speaker 2: I raced down there for Toyota, so it's a Corolla,
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  Speaker 2: but they add another, I don't know. Nowadays, it's very,
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  Speaker 2: you know exactly what I'm talking about, but very, the
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  Speaker 2: ballistic stuff that you put in a car, the metals
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, it's so light that it's only like 100
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  Speaker 2: pounds light. more that you add to the car. But
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  Speaker 2: it goes inside the door, the column, all, every single glass.
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  Speaker 2: You can't break, like you could sit in your car
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  Speaker 2: and flip anybody off. And if you're locked in, they
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  Speaker 2: cannot get in. Like you'd just be like, whatever, you know?
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  Speaker 2: But which is, it's not funny, but like they still,
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  Speaker 2: like an iPhone, just to give you an example, an
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  Speaker 2: iPhone down there, just think about currency. You have to
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  Speaker 2: think about one-to-one. If I say, because the dollar there,
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  Speaker 2: it's five to one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, dollar.
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  Speaker 2: So $ 1, it's five of our currency. Okay, got it.
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  Speaker 2: But let's pretend you live there. So if you make
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  Speaker 2: 10 grand, you're making 10 whatever, right? So an iPhone there,
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  Speaker 2: it's 50 grand.
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  Speaker 1: 50 grand in reals.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to think that if you live there,
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  Speaker 2: you're making 50 grand of something. Right. So, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you, and then the minimum wage, it's 2,000. So
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  Speaker 2: think about this.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so you have to work for 100 years to
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  Speaker 1: make an iPhone? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not 100 years, but like 10 years, right? Yeah. Sorry, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you're walking down the street talking on your iPhone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody takes it, and they make two grand a month.
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  Speaker 2: They can sell it. Okay, it's stolen, but for 40,
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  Speaker 2: that's almost two years of work. So they take it.
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  Speaker 2: But in a bulletproof car, they actually try to break
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  Speaker 2: the window, and then you just flip them off. Not
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  Speaker 2: getting that one. You keep on knocking, but you can't
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  Speaker 2: come in. Which is not funny. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's miserable to live a life like that. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like this big game of hide and go seek,
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  Speaker 1: and it's only because you achieved some of your dreams
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  Speaker 1: or you had some success. You know, I actually went
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  Speaker 1: to one time Salvador.
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  Speaker 2: Salvador, that's where I'm from. Really? Yeah, that's where I
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  Speaker 2: was born.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I got mugged by a, I mean, it's beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: but also I got mugged by a woman there, dude,
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  Speaker 1: and I never fought a woman before.
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  Speaker 2: What did she take?
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  Speaker 1: I had some of my money and just belongings in
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  Speaker 1: my front pockets, right? So she put one of her
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  Speaker 1: hands in my pocket. So I grabbed her wrist and
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  Speaker 1: held it against my side. So locked her hand in
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  Speaker 1: my pocket. But then now she and I each had
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  Speaker 1: to start, you know, I didn't know she was a
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  Speaker 1: woman at first, so I was just ready to defend myself.
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  Speaker 1: And then we each punched each other a decent amount.
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  Speaker 2: But guys, look, can you imagine Theo? Like, does he
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  Speaker 2: look like a Brazilian walking down the street in Brazil?
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  Speaker 1: No. No.
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  Speaker 2: That's why. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't look like Pele.
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  Speaker 2: I look like Pele. That's a shame, man. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: No, look, it was awesome, and it kind of was like,
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  Speaker 1: and I hadn't had any coffee, so it was like
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  Speaker 1: free coffee. I mean, that'll get you going.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it gets your adrenaline up.
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  Speaker 1: But it was also, you know, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: some of that stuff is just, it's not a frown
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  Speaker 1: on the society. It's just part of, you know, some cultures,
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  Speaker 1: they're not doing as well. And I remember there was
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  Speaker 1: a kid who said he would bite me and that
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  Speaker 1: he was infected, that he had HIV, right? And it
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  Speaker 1: was just like a scam, you know? And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I probably, I might have something, you know? So I'll
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  Speaker 1: bite you. And then I think I just gave him
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dollars, but I actually, I admired his
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  Speaker 1: ingenuity a little bit, you know, that fricking, that dirty
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  Speaker 1: Dracula vibe.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's desperation, right? You think about, like, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like being in the jungle, right? You're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's not fair that the lion's gonna eat the little elephant,
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  Speaker 2: but he needs to do that to survive. And that's basically, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: it's what with like, you know, When your family is
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  Speaker 2: starving and you can't make ends meet and you're making
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  Speaker 2: less than a thousand bucks a month and it costs
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  Speaker 2: you five grand to live.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People do desperate things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a shame. It's really a shame. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then it becomes a culture because then it starts
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  Speaker 2: like that, but then people go, oh, that's easy. Right. Right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it. Why am I going to work nine
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  Speaker 2: hours a day to make $ 2, 000 if I can steal
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  Speaker 2: a phone and make it 40 in 30 seconds?
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then you have weird things where it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: if I have one kid and he's out threatening to
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  Speaker 1: bite people and making money, why don't I have five
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  Speaker 1: kids and have a little nibbling.
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  Speaker 2: Family out there? And then it becomes.
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  Speaker 1: Like a full- Yeah, like a chorus almost.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're just out there just snacking on people. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is just, it happens
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  Speaker 1: with poverty. Even in poverty, people have to find a
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  Speaker 1: way to survive.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you're poor, your enemy- Because my enemy
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  Speaker 1: always growing up was rich people. I fucking hated rich people, dude.
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  Speaker 1: And for no reason except that they were rich.
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  Speaker 2: Because they had more money than us. And you kind
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  Speaker 2: of have to have an enemy.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you don't have anything, you got to have
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: an enemy.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's a motivation. I take it as a motivation. That's
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: what it is. Like, you know what? I'll show you. Yes.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: You think you're rich? Yeah.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: It's a motivation, man. Like, I remember the first time
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I went to somebody's house and they had a dog inside.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And it blew my mind. It was like inside dog.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I'd never seen it. I thought it was like a myth.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it seemed like something out of the Bible.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I remember being by my buddy Scott's house.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: You know, dogs do acupuncture now. You know that? They
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: have masseuse. Do you know that?
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Do they?
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. See, you're going to hate them even more.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Not the dogs, but.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Bring up that dog acupuncture, please. Let's get a peek
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: at it. I want to see what you're talking about.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Because I've never seen an animal shoot up.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Look at that. Oh, wow. Yeah. Ooh, come on. See?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Some of this seems mildly satanic. They have migraines.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: That's what they say. I don't know. I have migraines.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I do acupuncture, but. Yeah? How does your dog tell
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: you you have a migraine, you know? I don't know.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Somebody tells you that, right? Yeah, somebody tells you. Right,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and you believe it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dog isn't saying it. Yeah, the dog, this
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: seems like a little voodoo dog right there, that one.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Wow. Hey, can you bring up an article on it, please?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Do you mind, bub? Dog acupuncture.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was young, they didn't have, dogs didn't
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: do acupuncture.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I think they say that they have arthritis, like some
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But they got four legs, man. If you got four legs,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you're going to get arthritis, bro. If you don't think
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you're getting arthritis and you're on four legs, then that's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: your fault. Into the dog's body at specific points where
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: nerves and blood vessels converge. These points are located in
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: sites called meridians. Just like human, huh? Just like human acupuncture.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, though. We can go to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: an acupuncture guy or doctor, whatever you call, say, I'm
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: having a headache. How do you know your dog does?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: You woke up in the morning and said, let me
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: take the dog to the vet because she barked a
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: little weird. She has a migraine on it. He had
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: a long night. Yeah, I think he could. Yeah. That's crazy, bro.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the side effects of having too
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: much money in a culture.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Well, but also it's the same. I have dogs. I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I had dogs all my life. The kids loved them.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And then it becomes part of your family. Right. And
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: you just will do whatever.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would never. I couldn't imagine a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: dog getting acupuncture. I think I don't know if it would.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, I don't think, no matter what
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: was going on with it. Even if I got a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: little note from it saying, hey, man, I'd love, you know. Some,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you know, a Chinese therapy or something. I'd say, I'd
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: say no, I'd say no. But I remember, yeah, the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: first time I ever saw a golden retriever indoors, somebody said,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I said, I've never seen a golden retriever before. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it came around the corner of my buddy Scott's house
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and it looked like it had just come out of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the Bible, man.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful. God, it was beautiful.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Um, in a, in a poor country is cause NASCAR
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: or racing in America, uh, is often synonymous with poor people.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: You know, and I don't know why that is really.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I know when I was, you know, I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: was poor and a lot of people like cars. Poor
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: people like, you know, getting a car. It's kind of,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: there's something cool about it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Because we can't have good cars, so we have to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like cars because we have the crappiest cars. And you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: soup them up, right? They're always breaking it.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People would be like, oh, I got, like I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: had a 90, 90, I had a 1984 Ford Escort
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and somebody stole the passenger seat out of it. So
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you had to get in the front and then just
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: go sit.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: In the back. That's actually like a limousine, man.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It was pretty nice, man. It wasn't too bad, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it was weird, though. People would get in the front
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: door and be like, well, where do I even go?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they're like well fucking get in the back drive like
• 19:49
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  Speaker 1: is it a poor sport because you grew up in Brazil?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: What's it like there?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, actually, it's funny how it's cool to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: hear a prospect of somebody that is not involved in
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: racing because actually racing, it's a rich people's sport because
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you spend so much money. People that work in racing,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I can argue that mechanics and engineers and even drivers,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: especially in the lower levels. It's blue-collar. No, it's people that,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes don't have, but like to fund a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: kid to race go-karts nowadays, you're going to spend at
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: least $ 200, 000 a year. Wow. And in go-karts, you don't
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: find a sponsor to get the return, right? I mean, nowadays,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: a little easier, but so Brazil is like, we have soccer,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: which is extremely popular.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Right, because it's very cheap.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, y'all are so good at soccer, we watch.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Right, but all we need to play soccer is, A
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: soccer ball. Right. So anybody can have that. You can
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: play anywhere. So in the favelas, which is like people
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: live in this cartoon houses, board it. Yeah. You can
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: play anywhere. So we have the majority, 80% of the population.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Play soccer. Play soccer. And then you have the second
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: biggest sports racing because it became very popular back in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the day, but it's very expensive. So it becomes a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: rich people. If you're rich, you go karting. If you
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of money. You're playing soccer. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I was very fortunate because my family wasn't rich, but
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we were not poor. We were mid-class. My dad worked
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: really hard. So I started, I used to watch races
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: with him on TV since I was, I mean, since
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I can remember. So like four years old, five years old,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: watching Formula One and IndyCar. And some, NASCAR wasn't very
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: popular at the time. It was more open wheel. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you go watch in person. You guys are watching. Yes, both. Right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: So we do a father and son thing. And so finally,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: when I was eight years old, I actually asked him
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: for a go-kart. So he bought me a go-kart and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: started to kind of fund it. We didn't have the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: best equipment, but I was pretty good at it. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: won every championship I've ever raced from eight to 16.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But what happened was when I was 10 years old,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Dad got diagnosed with cancer. And he was really ill
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: for like three years. And when I was 13, unfortunately,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he passed. With his passing, we basically lost everything. Into
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a year, my dad ran his business, but my mom always,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: my dad was from Lebanon, a very, like the mentality
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: there was my wife will take care of my kids.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: She would never work. Right, manner the breadwinner. Yeah, no, I,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And I get home, everybody needs to be ready. You're
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: talking about 48 years ago. It's very traditional. But we
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: need to wait for him to have dinner. And my
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: mom and we all sit at the table. So my
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: dad was 42 when he passed. Wow, that's so young.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: My mom was 36 and never had work. So basically,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to make a little story short, his business just went bad.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: We lost everything. So we basically went from mid-class to like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Then we really, like, we didn't have a car. We
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: both went. My sister and I, we were in private schools.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: We went to public. But remember, public schools there are
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: not like public schools here. If you go to public school,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: it's because you can't afford it, and.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It's not good. The safety level falls off.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Safety level, but even the education is not as high.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's not as good because it's just– like a product of,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the government that we have. But, so then
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I had to go work. So I, my dad made
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: him promise him that one day, the day before he passed,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: he called me up in the hospital and we're sitting,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: he was actually very lucid. It wasn't like, and going
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to a hospital with him, I did it for three
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: years in a row. So it was very, it wasn't
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a problem. He's like, hey, let's go sit down and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: have a chat. So he asked, actually it was on
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a Thursday. He called my mom, I was at the racetrack.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: We usually, like race weekends are Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Even for go-karting?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Even for go-karting. So it was Thursday afternoon. I was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: at the track getting ready for Friday. And he asked
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: my mom to tell me to stop by the hospital
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: because he wanted to speak to me. So we sat
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: down and I sat in his bed. He's talking, obviously sick, cancer,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you know, no hair, but not like, oh, he's dying
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: or something. And he's like, hey, man, you know, if
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: anything ever happens to me, you need to promise me
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you need to take care of your mom and sister,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but also you're never going to give up racing because
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you're really good at it. And I'm like, but he, like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: over the course of the three years, we had a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: lot of talks like that. I think he was trying
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to prepare me. I have a younger sister, so I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: was the oldest. I'm like, yeah, dad. And he says,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and one day you need to win the Indy 500
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: for me because we used to watch that race. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to me as a kid, I mean, it has nothing
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to do with the win, with the, I remember that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the window will take a picture with a million dollars
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: cash around the car. That for me was like, that's
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: what I want. Wow. As a kid, you're like, whoa.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Right. It was like, dude, I don't have a freaking
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: million dollars here. So he says, and I said, yeah, man, sure.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: But what are you talking about? Whatever. So I go
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: home that night. I fall asleep. I wake up Friday
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: morning to go to the track. My mom's at home.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing? She goes, well, your
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: dad passed last night, uh, in the middle of the night. Um, and, uh,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So I just came here to tell you, but before
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: he passed, he asked me to remind you what you
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: guys talked. Really? Yeah. So I was like, then she says,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: do you know what it is? She wasn't there. I said, yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of course. She goes, okay. I said, well, I'm going
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to go to a racetrack. She goes, what? I said, well,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: that's what we talked. So I did not go to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: his services. I didn't want to have the picture of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: my dad laying there. I think as a kid, he
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: was going to dot me for it. A long time.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Was that a personal choice or was that a part
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of your mother's choice? Because that seems like a strong choice.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: No, mom was actually, because I said, well, I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the first thing was a promise that I made him
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: because I had a race that weekend. So I said,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I promise I'm going to keep racing. I can't miss
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a race.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So I went. But in the process, I think, I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: don't recall exactly because it was such a long time ago,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: but I think that probably led to maybe, I mean,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the goodbye was... The night before, he's not gonna talk
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to me. I know people like to pay respect, but
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's my choice.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And your mother was okay with you making that choice?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I told her the promise I made him
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that I was gonna go race. And I won that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: race that weekend. So that trophy from that day, April 8th, 1998,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: my mother still has it in her nightstand in her home. Oh,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that's beautiful. So, and then from then on, basically it starts,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: The poor kid. Living the promise. Right, right. And I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: had to do whatever I had to do. Man, that's interesting, man.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my father passed a cancer when I was 16,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and he was 70 when I was born, so he
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: was older. So even today, when I got to go
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: over by you guys's track and ride around with uh
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: mr andretti who i think was 82 yeah it's like
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that reminded me of being a kid riding around with
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: my dad i mean my dad went a little slower
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: but That was, you know, that was the.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: If Mario hears you, he'll kill you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: When I was, yeah, when I was 10, when I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: was 12 years old, my dad was 82 and we'd
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: go drive. And then when I was 13, he let
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: me drive when I was tall enough.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He let me.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Drive and he would just sleep and stuff while I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: was driving, which was insane because I didn't know, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: had no idea what I was doing. So, yeah, I've
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: never done anything like nice car, but that was the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: closest I'd ever came was just driving a senior citizen around. Um,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but that was a little bit of a similar experience
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that I had out there today. Um, so the, the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: prominence of racing is that big in Brazil?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's big. Obviously it could be bigger, but it's so
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: expensive that it's not, but like a kid that is
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: born in Brazil and obviously follows sports, either they want
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to be a soccer player or a race car driver.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And well, it's easy.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It's easier there for wealthier kids to get into.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: It's like the. In racing, if you have 20 kids,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: one will be that has no money. Everybody else has
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a parent or somebody that is paying a hell of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of money for them to start. Wow. It
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: only becomes more expensive, right? Yeah. So when I looked,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: because when I look what my mother did for me
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: after my dad passed, because like I said, we're mid-class.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, dad was responsible, so we had some savings.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And my mother- to keep my dream and my promise
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to my dad alive, kept funding. That's why we ran
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: out of money. Wow. And I told her that I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: have four kids now. And with all due respect to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: my kids, if they want to follow a career, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: wouldn't jeopardize it because I had a sister that had
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to actually sacrifice for me as well.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Right? I don't think I could do it to one
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of my kids because what about the other three? Okay,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I have a little bit too many kids, I think.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: for that, but it was me and my sister, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I got all of it. Yeah. Spent all of it,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and she's like... What about me? What about me?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Was there favoritism? Is there, like, because you were the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: male as well?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Was that part of Giselle's culture? Not at all, man, and,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you know, that's something that I joke about it. I said,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the day that I find that I, you know, finally
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not around, and I meet my dad again, he's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: gonna hear, because it was a big responsibility that he
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: put it on me, because... Until this day, my sister
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: never said a word.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, they all knew the story. So I think
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it was more of dad's word putting the responsibility on
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: me and on them to sacrifice for me for a
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: dream that we had, him and I. They had nothing
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to do with it. Wow.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So that must have felt like an added pressure, huh?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, because then you think about it, after a year,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: year and a half, we lose everything. Then I actually
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: quit school.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I stopped, I was in ninth grade because I had
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to go to work. Pretty high. You know, so I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: had to stop. She obviously graduated. She's extremely successful now,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: but it becomes that I started working on the go-kart
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: factory to be able to have money to pay for
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: our bills and also had the equipment to keep racing go-karts.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: So it was a good, good situation. But then since then, well,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: not my sister anymore, but I still take care of
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: my mom. She's still my responsibility. So all of a sudden,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: a 15-year-old had two daughters. I didn't have my mom. Oh, interesting. Right?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: My mom was 38, trying to find a job anywhere,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: even here. A 38-year-old woman that never worked in her life,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: trying to find a job that you can actually maintain
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: two kids. And, you know, it's hard. Nobody will give
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: her a job. Yeah, it's tough. I finally had a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: good friend that owned... Five nightclubs in Brazil. And nightclubs,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a mess, right? So they always worry
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: about people stealing from the cashier because they deal with
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of cash. Oh, yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I used to work at one I stole.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So he was like, hey, man, I need somebody to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: take care of all the cashiers and somebody that I trust.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And he knew my mother would never. So basically, my
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: mom was to go to work at 11 at night
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and come back when they closed the nightclubs, which in Brazil,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it's 5 a.m. Ain't 2.30 in the morning like some
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: of the places here. Yeah. So we never really actually
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: saw each other. Oh, wow. So this passed and just- Yeah,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: she'll come home to sleep and I'll be leaving to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: go to work and my sister had to go to school.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So we did that for 10 years.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So at what point do you get out of go-karts then?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Because I mean, obviously, you know, you've had like the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: penultimate of success like in America is kind of, I guess,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the Indy 500.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, I'm sure it's a lot of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you guys' dream.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So how do you get from- go-karts, when do you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: make that transfer and how does that happen for a driver?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Do you get called up? Is it a matter of sponsorship?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: They are all the above. But my story was I
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: had no money. But people knew my story. So you
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: have a couple of friends that would help you out.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: You have a team that would... But at the end
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of the day, you have to win races. That's the
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: best way you can actually achieve success or move and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: get hired.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And why did you win, do you think? At that point,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: why were you winning?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I could sit here and say, well, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I'm very talented. I'm good in what I do, which
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I believe that. But I think at that point, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: had no choice. I had to, right? I mean, it
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: got to a point that people ask me, what about
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: if it didn't work? So I never gave myself that option.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It was going to work. Now, was I going to
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: go to IndyCar and win the Indy 500? I didn't
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: know that. But I said, this is what I know
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: what to do and this is how I need to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: make a living. So it's going to work. So I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: think what made me good, it was like just whatever, man.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I sleep on a floor, on a mattress on a
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: floor in a race shop for three years. Wow. In
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: my boss's office. I will get up and kick some
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: ass in the racetrack. And I think You can see that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You can see when somebody, do you really want it
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that bad, man? I mean, I left my country. I
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: didn't speak. When I came to America, I spoke zero English.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: That was back in 1996. Oh.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You should have went into NASCAR then. You should have
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: went into NASCAR.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So, and I went to Italy first before I came here.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And it was just, I think, to be honest, when people, actually,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: my 14-year-old just asked me that question because he's in
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the phase of trying to figure out what he wants
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: to do, and kids nowadays have 3,000 options, right? And
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I said, I said, I think it was the no option,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: no choice. Interesting. Yeah, I can kind of relate to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: some of that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Like, even with stand-up comedy, I never felt like I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was going to lose, really.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Right, but how many people said, go find a job, man.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You think you're going to make people laugh all your life?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: You think, what about, you're not that funny. You know, like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that is always... And there are people like, no, man,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: go ahead, you know? Yeah. Like that is always going
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to be, and nowadays it's even worse because everybody has
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: an opinion and they can write about it, right? And
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: you can get instant on. But yeah, I never thought anything.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to make this work. Because it's interesting.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe you would be a lot more intense
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: when I met you, you know? Because I don't have
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a concept of what really drivers are like.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: You know, the only.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I met Tony Stewart one time. I did some commercials
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: with him like many years ago. Yeah, he was interesting.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He seemed like a little quiet and maybe crazy.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell. He was an interesting dude. Or am
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I then?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Just tell me. I'm interested to hear. I don't know
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: what Tony was like.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I saw him at the comedy club actually a couple
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: years ago, and I went up and said hey to him.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what he was like. I can't,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't even remember that good. He kind
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of kept to himself a little bit. And he had
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: this blonde chick with him, too, man, with some damn
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: bombs on.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: You know, that's race car drivers. We always have hot chicks. Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: That is, huh? Yeah. They just something, you know. But
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: then we're so short, so every woman is a lot
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: taller than us. It's crazy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why a lot of times you don't even
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: know what driver the chick is with because you just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: see the chick, you know?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you just look for the short guy and you
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: find it. Oh, look at her old son. Yeah, exactly.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, oh. And then they're going to go, look,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: she's only with him because he's somebody because he can't
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: date somebody that short. And then I met Clint Boyer
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a few times. He's a buddy of mine, man. He's crazy, man.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: He's crazy. And he is sheerly crazy.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Like, you could see that he probably hadn't slept in
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: maybe 17 or 18 years.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Like, he's just got fucking, you know, his stare is
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like 93 octane.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got really... He's got diesel in his fucking,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, just in his damn, in his gums. You
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: can really feel it coming off of him. So, yeah,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was, my question is, what is it,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: is it intensity? What does it take to really make
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: someone who can operate a vehicle at these speeds and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: be in that sort of atmosphere? Because even just going
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: today on the trial, you know, went around for a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: couple of laps or something and it was, You know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it was just damn intense. You know, all my blood
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: went to my back strap or whatever. And yeah, but
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you know i was just full in the back you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: know i felt like i just you know i don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know i just felt like you get a boner like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you said you would dude i got the opposite of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a boner man.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: You know why i'll tell you why because it gets
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: tight so he ain't getting a boy i didn't want
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to spoil your uh and i appreciate there but yeah
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: i let you experience but um No, man, I honestly
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: think the biggest thing is you need to be able
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to compartmentalize, like you need to divide what, you can't
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: live your life the way you race. Life's not a race.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying that now because I got, somebody brought
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: that up to me eventually. Because when you grow up
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: in a competitive environment, that's the only thing you know, right?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So Anything is a competition. Let's go down the stairs.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I want to beat you. It doesn't matter. What is
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that for? If you're going to beat me, it doesn't matter.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go out. I know exactly where we're going now.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Where are we going? To a bar? Your buddy's bar? Okay,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: how long it takes? It's three miles. My entire life
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: was like that. I think you met me in a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: very good I would say a very good moment of
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: my life that I'm more that I'm calmer I mean
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I used to be a lot more intense now I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: probably know how to separate that and say okay time
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to be intense it's when I put a helmet on
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: but I can't carry that all the time right but
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: just to give an example this morning I drove from
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Indy to here and four in the morning and somebody
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: was trying to Passed me in the highway and I
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: just got the best out of it. And then you're
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: not passing me start 70, 75. I'm like, dude, come on,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: give up. And, and, but you know, so I guess,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's funny that. I like to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: hear people that meet me for the first time to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: hear their, because you didn't know me at all. So
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you haven't followed me. No, I didn't. So, which is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a good thing. I'd seen, I'd seen some pictures of you.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And we barely talked because we didn't want to. And
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the same with me when they, I knew who you were,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: but I really didn't follow you all the time. When
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: they said, are you coming on the show? I said,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: this is all, here's an example of the show. I said,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to watch it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Cause I know who you were. I know what you
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: do as a combat. I said, I don't want to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: watch it because I want to be there. I want
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: to experience. Because I went, oh, you know, I watched
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that and I know what. I said, I don't want,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: which was such a coincidence that you said that the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: first time we just met today is, don't mind if
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I don't speak to you right now.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first thing we said to each other was
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: don't talk.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I said, I actually don't want to speak to you either.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I don't hate you or anything, but which is, I
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: didn't want to, which is great to hear that because.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I'm actually very intense.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: But it's nice that it doesn't come off all the time. Yeah,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this guy really has just a
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: fun personality. That's what I thought. Because I've always thought,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is intensity the thing that these drivers need?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Because... We do. It is. We do. I mean, there
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: is no way you're going to strap your ass in
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a race car and go some of the tracks 240
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: miles an hour. Here, okay, here's 200, but you have walls.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You can't make a mistake and not be intense. I mean...
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: just the environment itself is going to bring the pressure.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a performance sport. You win, you're good. Monday,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you got to do it again. You're not good anymore
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: because Sunday is best. Damn. And the next race you lose,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: you're bad. So, and that's just like that all the time.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Would you say that you probably became pretty hard on,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I noticed from my, people always tell me I'm extremely
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: hard on myself.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think that you were? A hundred percent. Yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I'm my worst enemy. Like. Yeah. Same. I suck. You know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I just suck, man. Even when I win. But that's
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the thing. And those are things that I'm telling the
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: people that brought that up to me. I didn't really–
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I'm smart enough to realize. You win a race, two
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: hours later, I'm like, fuck.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Never do it again. Yeah, damn. You're never happy, you know.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck, man?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Where does that come from, man?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I think we just, you know, when– When you're good
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at what you do, man. And that's why we're good.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not here bragging. I'm not here sitting here saying,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I'm the best. But I think that's what makes you good.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Because if you are happy, then, oh, yeah, good job, man.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That was a good show. Good job. I'm like, no,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: what can I do better? I won the race, but,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, I'll come off stage.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I will be, people will, my group that is on
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the side will be like, man.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And you can see in their faces, they're literally happy.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: waiting to tell me how great it was, and I'd
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: be like, mother fucker.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know I chew their asses because you guys
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: only tell me that because I pay you. The day
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I stop paying you, I want to hear what you
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: have to say. So let's do this. I'm going to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: stop paying you for a month. You come to a race,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and you tell me the truth at the end. You know,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: because it's like my friends, bro, awesome races. Shut up.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: You're my friend. You're never going to say, are you
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: really going to say, you come off stage and I'm
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: one of your best, but you know what, Theo, you suck, man.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That joke was bad. They're like, TK, you drove horrible.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if I'd appreciate it, though, if one of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: my friends actually.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Said, hey, man. But, you know, I actually, my mother
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is the best one because she does. Yeah. She's like, well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: are you going to crash again? I'm like, no. Well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the way you're driving. I'm like, but I appreciate that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, same thing the other day. My wife actually
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: dressed up the other day and says, how do I look?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I said, not good. She was like, what the fuck?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I said, well, but let me explain to you. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: don't think, I'm not saying you don't look good. What
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you're wearing doesn't look good. It's not vulgar. It's just,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. The pockets on your jeans are
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: spread apart. It looks like you have your mom's butt. So,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and I said, and you should appreciate that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Because I don't think you look good. And I think
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't think, but they don't have
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the balls to tell you. And she actually says, actually,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I said, well, then can you start
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: telling me the truth as well? So I don't think
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in 15 years I look good all the time. I
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: drove the best races of my life. I'm the best
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: driver in the world. I haven't won a fucking race
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: in three years. Well, you can't tell me I'm good.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe I am, but there's a lot of people better
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: than me now.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Man, yeah, I used to date this girl and she
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: had the same butt as her dad.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And it always, dude, it was so like, it made
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it impossible sometimes for like... I have a challenge with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: my wife, you know, like... For sex, you know, because
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I'm every time... Because her mom's butt... You would see
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: her dad? Oh, well, it just, I didn't... But her mom's,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: like her dad had this, she just had a distinctive
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: looking butt. And when I met her parents, I was like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: oh my God, she has a dad's butt.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But see, but don't they say that you're... This is
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: going great, guys. They say that you got to look
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: at your mother-in-law to see how your wife's going to
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: look like, which I don't think it's true because you said,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you know. Oh, yeah. I told my wife, you better not.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Not on this one, yeah. I'm going to get divorced
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and sleep.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: No, it's interesting though. Being hard on yourself is interesting.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Do you think that you had that your whole life
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: or do you think it happened after your father passed away?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was just built into you?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Well, Just granted, from eight, I started racing when I
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was eight, eight to 13, so it was five years.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I think my dad was pretty hard on me. He
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: was just that type of person, putting the pressure for
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: me to be, you want to be a race car driver?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: You got to sleep early. You got to eat well,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: like typical, like you got to be home for dinner.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So I really didn't do anything. apart from racing my
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: entire life. I suck at anything else that you tell
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: me to do. So it was like, but that's why
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: he wanted it. And we can sit here and debate
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: if he was still alive, would I resent him or not?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But because he's not, it was a choice that I made.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Because you see that on top athletes all the time.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you see in tennis players like, Your parents
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: are the ones they will, because at eight years old,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I can't just, I didn't woke up and say, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: want to be a race car driver. He took me
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to the races, kind of induced me to. Same way
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I take my kids to do six different sports to
• 48:04
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• 48:07
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• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I was always really like, I don't
• 48:14
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• 48:20
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• 48:24
  Speaker 2: good job. Yeah. Which is kind of sad. Yeah. You
• 48:28
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• 48:32
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• 48:36
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• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 48:38
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• 48:41
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• 48:46
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• 48:49
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• 48:52
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• 48:54
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• 48:59
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• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Your job might be harder. Because people
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: hate being in traffic, and that's what you're in, you know?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: They hate me even more. So I drive a minivan
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: with kids, and they hate minivans. I can tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: You see a minivan, you think it's an old lady
• 49:17
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• 49:20
  Speaker 2: whatever opportunity people have to pass a minivan, they will
• 49:24
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• 49:27
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• 49:34
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• 49:36
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• 49:40
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• 49:43
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• 49:46
  Speaker 2: So you guys shush it. Once I park, yeah, I'm back. Right.
• 49:51
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• 49:53
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• 49:56
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  Speaker 1: used to see, I used to listen to this singer
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: called T-Maya.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: T-Maya, of course. Yeah. It's my favorite.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: It had like love songs and stuff.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. He's awesome.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I met a guy, a friend, this guy named Patricio.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And he used to do racing actually too. And he's
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: from Brazil. And he would always listen to it and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: like sing it. Like he liked like, you know, slow
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: dancing with the ladies.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: He's like a Brazilian soul. Like the guy, the singer. Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: He passed away, but. It was cool. Can you bring
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: him up?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Bring up Tim Maia. Do you know how to spell it?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to spell it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: T-I-M space M-I-A. A-I-A. Here we go. Oh, yeah. Big dude,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: big voice, man. He's awesome.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I bet he, you think he had a lot of children,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know his, like, but that guy, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: don't think he ever, ever did a concert that he
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: was not annihilated. That's why. But, like, I'm like, if
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I drink that much, I couldn't ever speak. Then the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: guy will sing, like, I went, I knew him personally. Really?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I went to a few of his shows. An awesome dude. Wow. Fun,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: but typical rock star, you know?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: That's interesting that I brought him up. Yeah, that's the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: only thing about Brazil I know except for him and soccer.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yep. What else did I see the other day? Something
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: about cars.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, they found a bunch of rats in cars.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Do you have that? Here we go.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Why so many cars have rats in them?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: They chew all your wires and stuff. Yeah, they sure do.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But you know what's funny? They are not hungry that
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: they want to eat the wires. They always go to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: the engine compartment because it's hot. Oh. So it's kind
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: of cozy. And then they're there. So I guess they go,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I might as well eat that wire. Yeah. Frick, fuck
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: with them. Might as well have some lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Increase in vermin in cars had doubled during the pandemic,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I guess because cars were sitting around.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Well, they're just parked.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: What kind of, do they have any interesting vermin in Brazil?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We have a lot of rats. They do?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Like it's, you know, I think. Oh, there they are.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Because I used to sell hamsters. My first job when
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I was young, I used to sell hamsters and guinea pigs.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Tell my kids that. Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: It was pretty big business for a little bit, but
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: people started doing drugs. The guy that I worked for.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: And they shut it down. But what do you think like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: so when I was in that vehicle today, so I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go out there and ride, right?
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: So what kind of car was I in?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: You're in an Indy car. In an Indy car. Because
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: of the Lara, that's the make. But it's a special
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: made chassis for that. Full carbon fiber, which is a
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: composite that race cars are made. It's not like a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: NASCAR car or your street car. It's The carbon fiber,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: we have some pieces in our street cars, but it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a lot rigid. It's a lot safer, you know, because
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you crash your car, it goes like, you know, you
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: can see the door like getting smashed.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Those cars, they have intrusional panels. So if you hit
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the wall, nothing comes in to hurt you. Open wheel,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: which is, you don't have fenders and you have an engine.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: We race for Honda, but which is around 700 horsepower.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I used to drive a Corolla. I used to drive
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: an Accord.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't have 700 horsepower.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: It was sedan. I don't think it did. I think
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it had, I don't know what it had.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: It was four, it had- Probably 100 horsepower. Yeah, maybe
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: 100 horsepower, 150. Yeah, I don't know what it had.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: It was okay, though. It was black. But I didn't
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: want a 700 horsepower on the street anyway. Yeah, it was,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like- But so basically it was a, yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: So the Indy cars are specially made just for the track.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: You cannot drive them on the streets. You know, they're
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: so low to the ground.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: You saw it.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: So when, the craziest part that I noticed was, so
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you're going- you're almost going, you're going so fast, it
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: feels like, I felt like I was on a ride
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: at like Disneyland or something.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I try to tell people, like, what is
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: it like? I say, well, get on the craziest roller
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: coaster you can think of and do 200 laps on it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And add heat and other, you said it, I mean,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: that's the only time we actually talked when you got out,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: you said, I can't imagine when I did that by
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: myself if, we had more people around.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be very alarming.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 more guys around, it would get exciting.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: So do you, over time, do you get like a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: feel for things? Like, is it become, because I noticed
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: with standup comedy, like after a while being on stage,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I get a feel for what's going on.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I get a feel for like, I can tell when
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: this part of the crowd is, enjoying something I can
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: tell when they're waiting for the next thing. You know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you start to just get like a, just an energy.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Is that something that grows over time with racing? Like,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: is it like, what is that like to?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the feel that you get, obviously you're feeling people.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: We are feeling a race car. And with experience, I've
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: been doing Indy cars for 23 years, 24 years. Okay.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I used to say, you feel it in your butt.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: So basically you go out, And the way that the
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: car behaves, because you're sitting so close to the floor,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: to the ground, you can tell. You can tell when somebody,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: we're making changes all the time. You're fine-tuning things. It's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: so complicated. Engineers have an idea. You don't agree or
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you agree. And it's always like a very, you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: the engineer is trying to tell, well, but the computer
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: is telling me this. I'm not the computer. I'm your computer.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: You need to listen to me. So you feel it
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: in your butt. So you can tell. They change something,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: you go out. In three corners, you can say, this
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: is gonna be awesome, or this is, oh, this sucks.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: But sometimes you can do things about it, and sometimes
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: you can't. But then it's very, it screws with your mind,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: because we have so much resources that you're always looking
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: to improve. So you're never happy. So you said, Tony,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: so you just dominated the race. You won. Kicked everybody's butt.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: How was the car? That was okay. What do you mean?
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: It was the best car out there. Well, but that
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean I liked it. Right. And 90% of the times,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: you actually, I'll give you a stupid example. You're telling
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: jokes that people think it's funny, but you think it's stupid.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I'm driving cars that it's cool to drive, but I
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: hate the way they drive, but they're fast and I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: have to drive it that way because I'm still better
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: than them. So it's very, so you feel it in
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: your butt, basically. So you sat there and you turn
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and the car will behave. So that's what I say,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: feel it in your butt. And then you describe that
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: to a person that is sitting in front of a computer.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: And then we both say, okay, so- For this behavior,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you can do this. For that behavior, you can do that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get technical because then people would
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: just don't understand what we're talking about. But that's basically,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: we have a fix for everything, but doesn't mean it's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: really fixed. But you always, but then there's a fine
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: line as well because what's your gauge? It's your stopwatch.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: You make a change, you go quicker, it's better. You
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: make a change, you go slower, it's worse. Not necessarily.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you make two changes that are worse, but then
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: you're trying to put a piece of the puzzle together
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: to be better. Interesting. So you're making choices constantly, but
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you have to be so confident that the choices you're making,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: you can't second out yourself. And that's a big... So
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: that's what I think also race car drivers become extremely confident.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Are a lot of race car drivers, do they have
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to be like... Are they angry people? Are they a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: lot of them like driven? No, I think we're more.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Of adrenaline people than angry. I mean, you can't. Like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: driving angry sometimes doesn't mean you're going fast. Actually, sometimes
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: it's worse. You make more mistakes because then you're doing
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: things that you're not thinking. Because when you're angry, your
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: level of thinking, it's a lot less. So he actually,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: the calmer guys, I mean, I have a teammate, Scott Dixon.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: They call him the Iceman because the guy is just flat.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And he's the fastest, because he thinks. You're not mad.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: You're like, okay, this is how I'm going to get sneaky,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: in a good way.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Are some cultures better at racing than other cultures? Do
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you think it's just built into people?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously, I'm not American. I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: became American a few years back. My entire family was
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: born here, my kids. But I think we have... Goods
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: and bads, like everything. I mean, like me, I'll give
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: an example. As a Brazilian, I had to fight for
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: what I wanted. So I actually perform well in a pressure,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: in a bad situation, because I'm being in bad situations
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: a lot more than I'm being in good ones. Okay.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm really good at managing that. Right. I'm not
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: really good managing when everything is right. When everything is right,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: what's going to go wrong? Yeah. Because I'm not used
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: to that. It's too good to be true. This can't
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: be right. Totally. Totally.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: And of course, what's a shittier situation than a bunch
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: of people going really fucking fast?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Right, but I think it makes a difference when a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: race car driver, you're constantly making choices. Right or wrong,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: you have one second to make that choice. And I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: think guys that brought up in the hard way, we
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: can think a little bit more outside of, because you're
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: forced to, When you're just, I don't know if I'm
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: explaining it myself.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are, because you're already used to being in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a shitty, like in a rough environment.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: So you're like, oh, I- And then you're under pressure,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: so you know how, you're more confident to make that decision,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and it's not going to be a bad one. And
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: if it's a bad one, who cares? I've been in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: a bad one plenty of times.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm right back where I've always thought I was anyway.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: What about, like, if you get into a crash, what
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: do you do? Do you, like, close your eyes? You keep,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: or what do you do?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: So- it's human nature. You definitely close your eyes. You're
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: not going to go, all right, let me watch where
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go. Oh, that's cool. That's all. You just,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: we usually, the first thing you do, you take your
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: hands off the cereal because it yanks. And actually I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: have a, I don't know if you guys can see it,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: but it's a pretty big scar. Yeah, I can see
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: that easily, dude. I didn't take my hand off the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: cereal and the wheel came in and broke my arm,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: hit my elbow and broke seven of my ribs and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: knocked myself out. I was in a coma for two days, but.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: In a race? In a race, in Detroit, yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: And did you, you just were driving and then it happened,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: you got knocked out?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It was a long corner, right-hand corner, and we're racing
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: on the streets. And we had a manhole that actually
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the car prior to mine, a few seconds ahead of me,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: went and actually just leveled and brought it up a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: little bit. And our cars are solo. And I was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the next car and then took off and landed no
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: brakes at 180 miles an hour into the wall.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: That's all I remember. I mean, I don't. Somebody told
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: me that.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: And do you remember coming back, like just waking up later?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, what? So I remember. That's so sick, dude,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: first of all. I'm telling you what they told me.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: But what I remember is I woke up two days later.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: So basically, I had no idea. And my arm was
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: hanging because they just had surgery. I had two plates,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: 14 screws. And it was hanging because of the swelling.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: And I opened my eyes. And that's all I remember.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I had my arm up there. And I'm like, what
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the hell? Where am I? Yeah, like you're probably in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: class or something. Yeah, I was like, am I in
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: heaven or something? Yeah. Excuse me, can I go to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: the bathroom?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: So when you like, are there different things that you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: have to do for your body to take care of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: yourself for this type of sport? And how has that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: changed since when you got started? Like, are people physically
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: doing things different?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Really? Well, you think about it, right? So...
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Racing hasn't been, for the longest time, people didn't think
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: we were athletes because, well, you're driving a car. Right.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: That can't be that hard, right?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: If you hadn't driven it today, you'd go, I get
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: in my car, put my seatbelt on, power steering. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: it wasn't very common between drivers to work out because
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: you didn't need to. Like the cars were easier to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: drive and then, you know, with evolution, technology, and they becoming,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: you're talking about 240 miles an hour. The thing is,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: pull three Gs into the corner. You saw it today,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: how much you're sweating on that suit. Oh, yeah. So,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: but it was not a specific training for it because
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: it was something new. Like, you know, basketball players, what
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: do they do? They play basketball all day. And then, yeah,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: they go to the gym to try to improve a couple.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: So for us, it was more of a developing, like, okay,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: what do we need? We need core. Then we need neck.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: You need shoulders and you need forearms. And then you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: start developing and talking to experts and you say, okay,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: what can I do? Nowadays, I mean, I'm 47. Really?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: It's not very common to last this long. I mean,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: you talk about in any top high-level sport, talk about
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: He's old.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I'm old. But we took care of each other, like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: of ourselves and family. you know, you're lasting that long
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: because you still fit, you still sharp. But today I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: think the biggest improvement for us, like you have a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: lot of reflex machines and stuff that you can train
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: your eyes. Like first time somebody told me, you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: you can train your eyes. I'm like, stop, man. Come on.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah. Tell me my dog need acupuncture. I'm
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: just thinking of it too. It's like, come on. And
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: you do. So you have like nowadays we go to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the gym. Yeah. Um, for the heat as well. So
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: we go do a session in the gym where let's
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: say we go lift weights for 20 minutes. They put
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: you in a freaking hot room in a sauna for
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes. You come out, you do another drill, come
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: back in because that's, you saw how hot it was.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: And you come here, I mean, Nashville street course, 90
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: degrees outside. You have to sit there for two and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: a half hours. It's going to be hot. You're going
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to dehydrate. And we trained to drink as little as
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: possible because in a race car, you're not, oh, let
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: me drink at 200 miles an hour. You don't want to, like,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: and there's not enough space to have a drink bottle.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: You have a little tube that you can have maybe
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: less than half a gallon on your drink bottle that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: you can, you need to suck at it. It's like, what, what? So,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: I think, and the Reflex machine, it's awesome. It's just
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: a flat screen TV. It's a program that you just,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: it will pop a light and you have to cause reflection, but,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and you keep, you're getting better at it. And then
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: that's something that, you know, you train your eyes and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: then the overcorrections. And you saw, like, you're always fighting
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: the series. It's not just a drive from your house
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to the supermarket. So it has improved a lot. And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I think since my generation, we have increased the level
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: of fitness and sharpness. And then I think, like in
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: every other sport, one guy starts doing it and he
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: does well. everybody's trying to say, oh, I got to imitate.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I got to do the same he does. And then
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: he brings the level up and then you just... Do
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: drivers have to be smart?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Is it a smart man sport?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: A smart woman sport? I don't think so. I think
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: we need to be dumb to do what we do,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: to be honest. You strap yourself in the car, very uncomfortable.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: You go faster than everybody else, but you can die
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: every time you hop in. But you don't think about that. Yeah, no.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: No offense to us, but. Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: No, I've always been pretty close.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not dumb. The stupider you are, the better. Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Because people are like, I just told you. I broke
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: my arm seven weeks ago. I was in a coma.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: First thing I said when I woke up, the doctor
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: told me, because I don't kind of remember. I had
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: a concussion. I said, when can I get back in
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the car? Yeah. That's stupid. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my sister's an idiot and she's the best person
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I know. She's the best person I know.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I mean... You can't beat that. You know, I love
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to be here because I can say things that I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't say on a normal, like you sit down
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: on a podcast and go, well, you know. Yeah, I guess...
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: My sponsor is here from American Legion. If I get
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: fired after that, I might need a... What is your sponsor?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: What is it? American Legion. American Legion? Oh, really? It's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: all the veterans and we're... Oh, yeah. I went and saw.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: You know who I saw at the American Legion play
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: not long ago was... Hank Williams Jr. Or Hank Williams, yeah, Jr.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: is the one that's still alive, yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: You know, we raced the 500 of their cars, and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: it was a really cool cause. We are, you know,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: we have this campaign, be the one trying to save
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: veterans from, you know, depression, and when they come back
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: and try to reintegrate them. And, you know, being veterans,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: they think they need to defend us, and they never
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: would admit they're in depression. They actually, we lose seven
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: lives a day, Dean? 17 a day. So we've been
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: trying to get the word out. So great sponsor and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: a great cause. Yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Just a lot of the mental health stuff these days
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: is just crazy. I don't know what's going on with humans.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: It's a weird time to be human. Do you feel
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: like y'all's sport is at risk of like automization ever?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Does that ever, do people ever start talking about that or?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Look, there is always talks. Like they talk about, what
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: about race cars? Are they all going to be electric?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: They're not going to make any noise anymore. Or we're
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: going to have robots. We don't need drivers. I think
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: technology is around and we've been getting better. I mean,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: let's think about it. 20 years ago, we thought we'd
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: be flying cars now. That's true. But we're not.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: We always think we're going to be doing a lot more.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, in 2022, cars are not going to have wheels anymore.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: You're going to be just like all space shuttles flying.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: All right, so.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and all we're doing is ordering pizzas and doing
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: dumb dances.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. But humans are still delivering. It's not
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: a robot. That's true. Maybe a drone, but you know
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like a guy is still going
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: to knock on your door. Hey. Yeah. You know what
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I mean? So, no. They just had a guy actually.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: They had a guy who, what did that guy do? Trevin,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: can you look that up?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: God put me. in a position to save kids in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: a burning house, this dude.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: The pizza guy, right? He was delivering inside. But see,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: if you had a drone, the drone wouldn't do that. No. Yeah,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the drone was just going to- The drone was just
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: drop it. So yeah, I mean, okay, you're going to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: have race cars without drivers. You know exactly what I'm
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: going to say because you're in an entertainment business. If
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: nobody watches you, you're not going to have a show anymore. Yeah. Anyway, right?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: If it's a comedy or your podcast- Racing is the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, you're going to show up to see
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: empty cars. I don't know. If that happens, I don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: think we'll be– we'll actually be like frozen somewhere. Frozen, yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Chronically frozen, yeah. That's crazy because we're about to talk
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: with that guy. But do you think like, because also then, yeah,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: you're not going to have fans aren't going to want
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: to come watch a ride. I don't know if fans
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: want to go watch a robot.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: But my question is like people talk about, you know,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of debate nowadays about the electric cars,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: which I think it's awesome. I mean, the environment and everything.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: But then you talk about racing. Like I said, maybe
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: the next three generations won't know what race cars sound
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: in the past, but we still have enough people When
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: you go to a race and just, it would be quiet.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: You can actually talk. It goes. It's like, hey, I
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: think it's weird. Yeah. They do have a couple series
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: that they run, which is awesome. But there is a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: place for them too. Right. I'm saying, are we going
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: to just vanish everything? The extremes for me, it's what
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: people exaggerate. It's a great series. They have a couple.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: They run. It's innovative. I think we need that because
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: what people don't realize, racing, it's actually a lab. Everything
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: that you have on your street car, we've been developing
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: for decades. The electric, our stuff, our engineers are guys
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: that the manufacturers are only involved in racing to make
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: their product better. It's not because we love racing. Yeah,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I guess we do. But why are we getting out
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: of it? Right. And that's what they do. We develop
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: a traction control. The pedal shifts that you have on
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: your steering wheel, we did that. Traction control. The electric car.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: So my point is that it's a place for everybody.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: I hate when people say, you're not going to be
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: racing with you anymore in 10 years. I'm like, come on, man. Yeah,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: we have that series there and people can watch. Right.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: They can watch both. Right.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you like being quiet, some people go
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: because they don't want to listen to their spouse for
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: damn three hours, you know? And that's the truth, man.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: True. I can't say that.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I think, well, no, but I think I can say
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: it and I don't have a wife, but I think
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, you see it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: You're just like, just a second, honey.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, and she'll say, just a second, honey,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's men or women, you know? Um,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: But I interrupted you earlier when you were telling me,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: how did you get from the go-karts to the next level?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: So I was struggling to make ends meet and working.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: So I was in a go-kart track. So to make
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit more money, I was teaching kids how
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: to drive a go-kart. So I had a clinic. And
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: so that I would make some extra money.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: At the go-kart place.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: At the go-kart place.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: What was it called, the go-kart place?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Interlagos. It's in Sao Paulo. It's one of the most
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: famous racetracks. I actually just raced there Sunday. That's last week.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: And a go-kart? No, no, and a stock car. And
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: a stock car. I'm doing stock car Brazil as well
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: this year, apart from IndyCar. So, been traveling quite a bit.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: And granted, man, back in the day, we didn't have
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: cell phones. So, I was down at the go-kart track
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: and the guy that used to prepare my go-karts, my mechanic,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: comes down. The race shops are always near a race track.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: That's very common. Indianapolis, all the shops are there. He
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: walked down and says, hey, somebody's on the phone. for
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: you up i'm like dude i'm working no no so
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: it was a guy called nelson pk which is one
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: of the biggest most famous race car drivers in brazil
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: i'm like so i'm very well known for pranking people
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: so i'm like it's one of my friends are screwing
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: with me so whatever so i go up and he
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: says hey it's nelson like come on man who is
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: it he says no no he says listen it's me
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: and this is what this is the deal um He
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: was very well-known. People were very well-known for having good
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: race car drivers in Brazil. I have a friend in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Italy that owns a team, and he says he wants
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: a Brazilian race car driver. If I knew somebody that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: was good, it was you. So you have to go
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: to Italy. It was Friday. You have to go to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Italy tonight. I'm like, dude, okay, great. I used to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: take two public buses to go to work and come back.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I barely have the money to take a
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: public transportation.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: And had you been practicing driving actual, was this for,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: this is for?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: This is for cars.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Cars.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was actually racing cars in Brazil for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: a small series and doing go-karts. So I was already
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: driving cars. So I said, all right. So I called
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: a couple of friends that, you know, had a little
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: bit more money. I said, guys, I got this opportunity.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Can you help me out? I need to buy a ticket.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, pay it back, whatever. It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: So my dad sponsored me and another kid when he
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: was alive. This kid had a lot less money than us.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Funny story because then he passed and the situation flipped.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: So his dad says, no, your father helped us a lot.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: So I'll buy you the ticket. Oh, wow. So you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: get over there. But I go there. The test was
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday. I was going to go home Sunday night.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I had a ticket. It was a weekend. So I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: go home. I said, hey, mom, at that point, I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: was 16, but 17, I didn't have to ask permission
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: for anything. I was working. I said, mom, I'm going
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: to Europe. She's like, hell, how? Where did you stole
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the money to go there? I explained to her and
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I left. So I landed Saturday morning, went to the track.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: They had 10 guys that they're going to choose two drivers.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: They're doing kind of like a gong show, putting 10
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: guys together. You would go out to two cars and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: they will time it and they will pick the two
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: fastest guys. So I get there. I didn't speak any Italian,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: so I didn't know the track. I never had driven
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: the car. So I go out. I do five laps
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: like you did, and I come in, and they check
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: the car. They go, okay, now you can go and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: do 10 laps, and we'll check it out. I went out.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I did four more laps, and they actually called me in,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: and they said, get out. I'm like, what did I do, man?
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I'm screwed up here. And the guy took me to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: the truck. I mean, we're trying to talk. I mean,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't speak Italian. He says, you're good, you're good. Sign, good.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: So basically, I think on my four laps, I went
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: half a second quicker than everybody. And he says, no,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: you're good. And he was looking for a Brazilian. He
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: must have been good, man. So he's like, you're hired.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, so when can I go? So I'm
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: going to go home tomorrow. That was Sunday. And then
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: when do I go back? He goes, no, you can't
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: go home. I'm like. Okay. You're Italian now. Then he goes,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: we're going to hire you, but I can't pay you.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: All I'm going to do is I'm going to give
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: you a car to race for free. I said, well,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have any money. He's like, well, then I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: can't stay here. I can't rent a house.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can't just drive around all night.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: So he goes, well, no, okay, we'll take care of it.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: So you figure out how you're going to find a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: way to have whatever, a little bit of money, but
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: we have the race shop. You can leave in the
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: race shop. This is my office. We're going to put
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: a mattress there. Every morning when I come here at 8,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: that mattress needs to be out and clean because this
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: is my office. This is a TV. And I was underage,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: so the shop was in a remote area of the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: city in Milan. It says, at 6 o'clock, we're going
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: to lock you in. You have a phone. If you're
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: in trouble, you call. At 7 a.m., we open up,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: and you work on the cars during the day. I said,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Jeepers.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: So I did that for three years. Wow. And we
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: won a championship. And then at the end of 95,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: that's actually a funny story that I like to tell
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: my kids that and people that, like, we talk about
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: racing a lot, that I start racing not because of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: the money. Same to you. You said you start your
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: career because you enjoy what you do. Yeah. At the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: end of 95, I was making $ 1, 000 a month, living
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: for free. It's a lot of money. You have no bills, man.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I had no phone, no car. 95 is good. Right?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: So I get a call from a manufacturer in Italy saying, hey,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: can you come talk to us? I said, sure. I
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: was racing an open-wheel car called Formula 3. And they
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: invite me. They says, look, this is a contract for
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: half a million dollars. Damn. And we're going to give
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: you a house and a car to drive apart from
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: So it was Audi at the time. And you're going
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: to race the touring cars, which is the normal, like
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: kind of NASCAR, like your street car, but converted to
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: a race car. Like what do you mean?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Like a Dodge Neon or something?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Right. Something like that. Like, yes. Just, yeah. So I said, okay.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: He says, here's the contract. Take to somebody to look
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: at it if it's okay. It's a two-year deal. So
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: it was a million dollars. Damn, bro. You must have
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: been geeked up, huh? Dude, I'm like. I actually said,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: where do I sign? I was like, hey, no lawyers
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: looking to tell me where's the pen.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I'd have been licking my fucking legs. Tell me if
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: somebody gave me that. But at the time, I had
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: one sponsor. And it was Philip Morris at the time
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: when the cigarettes were.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Big and racy. And good. But the CEO was kind
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: of like my mentor. Like the guy, I mean, he
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: didn't have to sponsor me. I was nobody. But he
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: knew my story. So I called him up and I said, hey,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I need an advice. He says, what's going on? And
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: I explained to him. He says, well, I was about
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: to call you because we, as Philip Morris, we're going
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: to take five drivers to the United States to do
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: a test on Indy Lights. So Indy Lights, it's actually
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: the series before IndyCar. Like you got the leather series.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: I was really young. And he says, and we're going
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: to do a test. And out of those five, we're
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: going to pick two guys and we're going to fund
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: it for two years. And the deal is you learn
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: the first year because you're racing ovals and stuff that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: we didn't do. And the second year, if you win,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: we'll take you to IndyCar. Well, IndyCar, my dad, I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: promised him. I'm like, well, but what about if I'm not,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: if you don't pick me? He goes, well, the team
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't pick you. That means you're not good enough. So.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: And you have to smoke too or no? No, I didn't.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter? Not at all. Thank God. It was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: kind of controversial at the time because I was an athlete.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: So I used to go a lot of media training because, yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: one time I sat down to do an interview and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: the reporter says, hey, so your car, we have Marlboro sponsorship,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: you know, the cowboys. He said, yeah, yeah, they helped me.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: And he goes, well, how do you feel about inducing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: people to smoke? I was like, What do you mean?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just here doing my job. I'm not telling you.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: I never did a commercial. But anyway, so it was
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: kind of iffy at the time. So anyway, back to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: he said, well, that would be your choice. It's your
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: own risk. But man, I had like, it's like money.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: It's a million dollars two years. Like at that time,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm set for life, man. I'm good. I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: do two years. I can't retire. Yeah. So I went
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: home and I'm like, what do I do? What do
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: I do? And I had to make a decision. And,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, at the time I'm like, well, I'm young. Yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: money is good. But the promise I made my dad,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go. So I actually bailed on the deal.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: And I came. So the next day he bought me
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: a ticket and I came to America. December 95, spoke
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: zero English. I actually asked a friend of mine. to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: write it down in a piece of paper, a couple
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: of queues, like, hello, I'm hungry, where's the bathroom? I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: landed here, I went to Phoenix, Arizona, and I did
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: the test. I was the fastest in the test, I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: got picked. Me and Castro Neves, which he's racing this week,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: and he won four Indy 500s. Helio, is it? Helio, yes.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Him and I, we got picked, we were teammates. I
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: finished second in the first year. I won the championship
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: in 97 in Indy Lights. Then I moved to IndyCar
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: and started to pursue my dream But I like to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: tell the story because I could have actually had gone
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: for the easy money. Right. Easy. But I don't think
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: I would have fulfilled my dream and the promise I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: made my dad. But then on that, probably need to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: thank him because it's tough to make a decision like
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: that when you're broke. Yeah. Right? Yeah, dude.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it. I would have probably taken
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: the cash. Yeah, but I think I.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Would have too. But then the only thing that stuck
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: out was... My dad wasn't around, and that was what
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: I told him I was going to do. Yeah.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: You think your dad's proud of you, you think?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: I hope so, man. I mean, I took care. Everything
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: he asked, I've done it. My mother is sad. I mean,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: first thing I did when I made enough money, I
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: told my mother, from today on, you're never going to
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: work for the rest of your life. You tell me
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: what you want to do, and if you want to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: do one thing different every day, you will. And she
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: is very obviously like lives a very simple life. She
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: lives in a one bedroom apartment because she's actually kind
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: of like me when I'm afraid to get old and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: become like her. It's like one bedroom so nobody comes
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: to sleep in my house. Yeah, interesting. They want to
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: come visit me, they can sleep in a hotel, come
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: to my house, and then they can leave. You're like
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: a cat, man. You're interesting. But she does. She lives
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: in Rio de Janeiro, which she goes to the beach
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: every day now. She's 74. Took care of my sister
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: as much as I could, but my sister is a
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: lot smarter than me and extremely successful, and I want $ 8, 500
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: for him. Everything else, obviously, I have a beautiful family.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I have four beautiful kids, and I try to show
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: them as much love, and my wife, and I hope so.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do hope so. I'm not perfect, I mean,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: in any ways, but hopefully he'll be proud of me.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: And according to you, you'll never will be.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: People like us. We're never gonna be happy. It's fucking impossible. Yeah.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: My wife tells me that every day. I said, well,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: just get used to it. I lived my entire life
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: not being happy. I ain't changing now. And I'm getting older.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: It's already getting worse. We bitch more. We complain more. Oh,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: it's too hot. Oh, man, it's too cold. It's like,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: when are you happy? I'm not. It's too something. It's
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: always too something. Right, right, right.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Who is the toughest driver you think you've met out there?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: It's hard. There are so many generations, right? I'm a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: huge fan. I can ask you the same question and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: what you do. You can go 30 years ago to current.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: So I would say I would pick something in the middle. Okay.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: I think... The guys that race prior to us back
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: in the 60s, like we- Because they burn to death
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: all the time, don't they? Dude, three of them will
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: die a year. Wow. You lose three drivers a year, four. Nowadays,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: we don't lose anybody. You crash at 200 miles an hour,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: you get out of the car, hop in the backup car,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: and you're racing five minutes later, right? So I think A.J. Foyt,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: probably for me, like he worked in his cars. You
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: see a guy who get out of the car and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: punch people because he was mad, get a hammer to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: fix something. You don't see that anymore. So those are
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: the tough. Bring him up. Let's bring A.J. Foyt up.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I want to see him. You know he fought a
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: lion for real. Yeah. No, no, no. Teal, you guys,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: just put A.J. Foyt lion. He went to do a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: photo shoot. Look, the lion attacked him. He was doing
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: a promo shoot. Oh, damn. So you tell me if
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: this is not a badass.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Look at him.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Let's see that article. Can we get to that article?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: This is unbelievable. Look at that picture.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Zoom in on that picture. He's going for
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: his jaw.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Look, it looks like he's trying to hug him a
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: little too in the one. Damn, that shit looks damn
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: zoom in.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: So how many people you saw that fought a lion
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: and survived? Look at it. That's crazy. It looks like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: he's laughing even. He does, yeah. I raced for him
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: before I drove for Chip Ganassi. Really? He told me
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: the story. He says, you know, he's from Texas. I can't.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: You know I follow the line. Here you go. can't
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: do that. I cannot impersonate him. But he says, you know,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I was doing a photo shoot and they brought this,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: he speaks like, it's freaking lion. I'm looking at the lion.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: The lion looking at me. I didn't think he liked me,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: but I didn't like him either. And then all of
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: a sudden- He was with Stuart Haas.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: He came at me, and I said, but what was
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: his trainer? He says, well, he was trying to get-
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: And a lion's trainer, let's be honest, dude, is just
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: a trainer.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Dude, the trainer knows the lion.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: He ain't going for him. The lion's mad. Come on.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: The trainer is the dude who watches the lion attack somebody. Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: you know when he's mad.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: And if he's mad, what are you going to do? Ssss.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: You're going to hit him?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come attack me instead of him. Go ahead, my friend.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Knock yourself out. Sorry.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: That's exactly who the trainer is. See if you can
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: see an article on that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. That's unbelievable. Being attacked by... It was
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: such a long time ago that I don't even know.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful, though, man. You don't get to fight a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: lion very often.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Unless you're doing like a Wizard of Oz and they
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: do like.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: A boxing thing. Man, I'm telling you, he's one of
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: my heroes because... This guy, so he was in a bulldozer.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: He's 70, 74? Okay. And he got attacked by, he
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: was in his bulldozer, attacked by bees, more than 300 bees.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: And he was by himself and survived. He beat them all? Oh, dude,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: you should see his eye bank. You should see the bees, huh?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I was like the poor. And then I said, so, AJ,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: how was this stuff? They thought they were going to
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: fucking kill me and I'd kill all of them because
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: when they bite you, they die. It's like, yeah, man. So,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, he can't win. Yeah, he just like keep
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: biting me. But like a hardcore dude. But then very hard.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Like you drive for him, he will be the one
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: to say, what are you doing? You go, what do
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: you mean? You suck out there. I'm going to take
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: you out of the car. I'm going to put somebody
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: else in. He's that type of person, which I appreciate. Wow,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: that's powerful, man. That dude's a freaking gangster. He's here
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: this weekend. Is he really? Yeah. Damn.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I would like to meet, yeah. And he won everything.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: He's the type of person that he drove. Race cars
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: are not the same. Not that you drive a NASCAR car,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: you're going to be good in an Indy car and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: vice versa. And he drove all types of cars, and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: he won in everything he drove.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Like Mario did. Old man That drove you around today.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah dude He looks like he still Pulls some beautiful
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: women too Was he married?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: He's a widow But I guess he's single now So.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah Oh he's a widow now? Damn Or male widow huh?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Right I don't know what that's called What else was
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: I gonna ask you about? Oh The So what keeps
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: you in it now? Cause you're I mean you're in
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: your 40s now What keeps you in.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Racing?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: You've won the Indy 500. You've kind of achieved your, like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: is it, you got close last time. I mean, is
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: it like?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: It's addicting, to be honest. Like, you know, like I
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: think you relate to that because you were very successful
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: in what you do. But you could say, why keep
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: doing it, right? It's that adrenaline. Then you're going to go,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: like the same way I believe I've never actually, obviously
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: we do speeches and stuff in front of people. I
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: don't get the crowd reaction. We don't hear them. So
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: to me, it doesn't affect me at all. They can
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: be booing me. I could care less. I can't hear you.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: But you know that moment before you get on stage
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: that you get that butterfly in your stomach? That's what
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: keeps– that's what it is. It's not– yeah, it's the speed.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: But those kind of things, I'm used to it already, right?
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: So you used to make people laugh. You used to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: talk to people. You get– you know how to ask
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: the right question. But it's like– it's the feeling of–
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: when I get in a car– It's my moment. Like
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: it's me in the car. It's me and the beast.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: And like, we're going to go beat everybody. Doesn't necessarily
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: happen all the time. But yeah, I think the adrenaline and,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: you know, I've been doing this all my life. I
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: think the toughest part is to realize, I said that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: the other day, my biggest fear, because I think I'm
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: still competitive and not because I think that. My results
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: are still telling. Right. I am. Because that's our life too.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how old you are, but you have a
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: couple bad years. That's it. That's it, because you have
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: to perform. It's a performance-based sport.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: But if Tom Brady had had the past two seasons
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: weren't good, he wouldn't be playing this season.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wouldn't be coming back, but that's the
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: toughest decision. It's to let it go when you still
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: think you have it, right? And until the day that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: something overcomes that, because it's a very selfish, and you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: know that too, because I mean, anybody can relate to
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: that when you dedicate your life to what you do.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Everything else comes second.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: My wife, my kids, like my wife asked me the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: other day, which she knows very well because she worked
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: in racing, so she knows, but did you ever think
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: about that something could happen to you? What about us?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: I said, I do, but I don't because I still
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: want to do this and I hope you guys understand that.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: But then she says, no, I'm not asking for us.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: I said, what about you? Are you fine with that?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I said, I am, and I think the day that
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not, that will be the day that I think
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I need to say, all right, now I'm done. But
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not ready for that yet. I mean, we just
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: finished starting the biggest race in the world. We had
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: a chance to win. I want to do it again.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: And then there's a bunch of annoying people saying, when
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: are you going to retire? Why should I? Was I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: that last? Was I that bad? I thought I was bad,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: but I have that opinion all the time about me.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: So It's a tough call, man. It's a tough call. And,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: you know, you think about out of my four kids,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there for two of them on the day
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: of their birth. Wow. And you miss many things. Oh,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: you miss many things. My girl went back today. It's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: her first day at school. I'm here with you. Yeah.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Am I sad? I hate to say it, but I'm not.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's our life. And that's the way I
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: chose to live mine. I mean, I give them the
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: love that I can and as much as I can
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: and as much as I want. But it's a very
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: selfish thing.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: And it's not even selfish to you. It's selfish to you,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: but it's the requirement of the job is a lot.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Right. Because it's not, people think that whatever we're doing here,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: you just sat here right now, we talked and we're done.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: What about the studio? What about the preparation? The thought
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: that you had to put in? Who am I? You're
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: going to talk to me? And the same thing with me.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I go home I got to wake up and work out.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: It's not just, yeah, the race car. The easiest part
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: is to drive the race car. Yeah. What about go
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: to the race shop, talk to the engineers, dedicate yourself,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: look at it. It's a full-time job. It's not just, yeah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: you guys have the best life, right? I mean, this
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: is my 14th weekend in a row that I spend
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: in a racetrack.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: So the entire summer, we didn't go on vacation, which
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I understand a lot of people don't either. But I'm
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: saying like, It takes your entire time. And in the meantime,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: you have kids to raise. You have soccer games to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: take them or basketball, whatever. But then you just try
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: to make it the best. But like I said, to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: answer your question, what makes it the selfishness? Selfishness? Selfishness. Sorry, Brazilians. Selfishness, yeah.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. It's a selfish life. It's a very
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: selfish life. Everything needs to go, it needs to actually
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: rotate around you or me, right? We need to go, well,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: I want to take the kids to Disney.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: When?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Next weekend. Well, I can't, I'm racing, but you can go.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Or can we go, can we make plans to go
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: in November? Well, I don't know. The team might ask
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: me to go test because we have a new car.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: You don't have a, you can't have a schedule because
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: you're on call. You're like a doctor. You never know.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: You might get lucky. Or you said, cool, let's tell
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: the team we're going to go this week. I'm going
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: away with my kids. TK, Theo called. You can be
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: on his show. Oh, man, we've been trying to go
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: to see him. I'm a fan. Honey, I got to leave. Yeah. Well,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: you guys can stay, and then you leave. I know.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my whole life's been like that, I think, doing
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: things that– And it's.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Hard to find people that understand that because then it
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: becomes– So you don't want to actually share your life
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: with me? No, I do, but it's my life. I know.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hard to reach sometimes, man, I think, in
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of communication ways and stuff. Like when it
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: comes to relationships and stuff, it's really.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: You know, Theo, but I think at the end of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: the day, like I'm on my second marriage. My first wife,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: which is the mother of my oldest kid, a great person,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: but she... She was a normal girl, like normal girl.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, she got brought and raised, lived with her
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: parents until she got married, never actually watched racing and stuff.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: And she couldn't do it. And I couldn't do it
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: because then I couldn't do it more of her requiring
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: and asking me all that. It was a lot of pressure. Yeah.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: And then I get my wife that I've been with
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Lauren for 15 years. She was a reporter. She had
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: a TV show. all about racing. and cars. She gets
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: it more. Well, she knows. Yeah. And then it becomes
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: like we'll do whatever he needs to do. And then
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: in a relationship, again, it could be flipped the other way.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: If she had a much bigger dream, probably I would
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: give up mine at some point and leave hers. But
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: in a relationship, somebody's going to have to give up.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say, oh, I'm the man. No,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: but she met me. I was already who I am. Right.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: And I think the same with you. Like either.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: They get used to it or then it's not for you. Yeah. Yeah, man.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not the best to give you like relationship advices. No,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would. But I feel like, yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: it's the same kind of stuff. It's like, man, it's
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: hard to find somebody to fit into it.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: And that understands, right? Because you never. Have a schedule.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: And that's, for some people, it's a problem. Because you
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: can say, all right, you know, tonight we're doing this, this, this, this.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Then you have all these plans. And you get a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: phone call, hey, you got to go to L.A. right now.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Because.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or something changed. Yeah, you got to prepare for something. Sorry, yeah,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: tell this, but I'm going. Yeah, sometimes you can. At
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: some point in your life, you will be able to
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: say no. But even then, I think you're going to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: think about it. Because, oh, but it's still a good
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: opportunity there. It's a movie. You're like, oh, my man,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: come on. I mean, if my boss calls me and says,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: you need to be in Pittsburgh tomorrow, I'm gonna tell him, well,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: you know, my girl has a.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna put on a Steelers jersey and frickin'
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: hit the airport.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What time? Yeah. What time do you need me there? Yeah,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: what time?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I got six great watches.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? When he calls, his favorite word, right,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: is like, hey, what are you doing? I said, whatever
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: you need me to do, boss. What do you want
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: me to do? No, no, no, I'm asking what are
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: you doing? He said- waiting for you to tell me
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: what to do.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Have they tried, have they tried any like advanced, like
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: alternate types of racing or things to get the sport
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: different or more, not more exciting, but to add variation
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: to it?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Or have there been like- We do it all the time. Really?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's no different that, you know, the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: fans are, the hardcore fans will be critics. They're the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: worst critics and you're never going to please everybody. But,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: The best way we try to make IndyCar is that
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: everybody that actually is going to, they feel the car,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: they will have a chance to win the race. Some
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: series that it's only two teams that dominate and then
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: that gets really boring. It's awesome for the two teams
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: that are dominating, but so we try to keep the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: competition level side, which is hard to control, but with
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the equipment and the cars and the engines, you give
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: them rules. to keep the cars closed. So then you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: take the best out of the driver, the engineers, and
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: obviously there's always gonna be, the teams that are well-funded,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: they have the funding to hire better people. Right, it's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: like baseball, right? That's like anywhere in the world, but
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: the way they're making, so we're making adjustments all the time.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: And you talk about not just on the equipment, but
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: the way we race. I mean, look at the challenge.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: Here in Nashville, we have a street course. It's a street.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: You just built around it. And you know if it's
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: going to be good. So we did the first year.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Some places are bad. Then you come back and you
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: make it better. We shouldn't start the race at this
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: point because a lot of people crash. You should start
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: it over there. So it's constant. I mean, it's a
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: tough job. But that's what we do to equalize. And
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: then it's easier to sell sponsorship because when You go
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: sell your sponsorship. The trickiest question, because it's like, let's
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: say I want to buy your drink. I said, how
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: much is that? He said, five bucks. I said, here,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: five bucks, and I'll get it. I drink it. That's good.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: A sponsor will ask you, how much is a season
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: to win? Well, that's not a question. Because if you
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: can give me the biggest budget, but that's still not guaranteed,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to win. So it's a risk. the season
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: cost X million dollars. Well, cost five million dollars. What
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: about if I give you 10? Are we going to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: lap the entire field?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: Or about 15? No. And we'll probably lose to a
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: team that had two million dollar budget. So it's, it's never,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: it's never guaranteed. So you kind of like trying to,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: so the way the series is, you can actually say,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: all right, well, we don't, we don't have that budget,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: but we're still very competitive. And then you have a
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: chance to show off and, be on TV and have
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: a good result to give the return to your sponsor.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: So we're making changes pretty much like every year there
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: are different rules and you're trying to improve every race.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Is it different being in IndyCar and in NASCAR? Are
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: they two different worlds kind of?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Completely different. I mean, I've never raced NASCAR, but our
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: team owner has a team. I have a lot of friends, Tony.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know Tony well and Clint, uh, It's
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: two different, completely different mentalities. The way they run things,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: the cars are not similar. They run more of a raw,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: old school. They're getting like more and more advanced, but
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: we're technology wise, we're, I don't know.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: In the future.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: 15 years ahead of them. Damn. But that's not because
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: they're not capable. That's the way they choose the way
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: they want it. That's the product. And it works. Yeah.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Because then we don't even compete. Like there is no competition.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got 150. 60 miles an hour, 180 tops.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: We do 240. Yeah. They corner at 120. We corner
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: at 230. Damn. You know, so, but yeah, there's huge difference. And, and,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: and the fan base as well, because then you go
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: from the guy that likes electric cars or open wheel
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: or NASCAR. Interesting.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Man, I think I've learned a lot, you know, I've
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: learned a lot about you and I've learned a lot
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: about the, the sport overall. Um, I think there's probably
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: more stuff about the sport that I could learn, but
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I think I just have to get out there and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: experience it more.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: I think you got probably the best shot as far as,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: you know, experiencing something that, you know, it's like you've
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: been in a car now. So you probably, you relate
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: a lot more than if I just had sat here
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: and tell you, you know, you go to a roller coaster.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Now you know exactly what we're talking about. You talk
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: about you have a wheel that has, it costs 50 grand,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: just a wheel. And you have 15 buttons that you
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: have to change them four or five times a lap.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Why are you going 230 miles an hour? Why are
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: you having cars all around? Why do you have to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: look for? Because, you know, that's another thing that people
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: don't realize. When you're going that fast, you're not looking
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: what's happening here. You're looking what's happening, like, way ahead
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: of you. So, yeah, I think you have, I mean,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: hopefully you enjoyed it and you have a different appreciation
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: for what we feel.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I certainly have an appreciation for you now, and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: I think I have a better appreciation just being in
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: the car and just kind of seeing what that's like.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: It's just amazing.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: We come up on a turn, and I'm like, I
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to be okay for this.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: And then we would just shh. You know, we have
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: the same thought, right? Yeah. But we have a little
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: bit more of notion that it's going to be okay,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: but sometimes it's like, oh, that's not going to be okay.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: When can you even pass someone? I didn't see any opportunities.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's a setup, man. It's a cat
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: and mouse game. Sometimes, like in this type of track,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: there's probably one place to pass, but sometimes your car
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: is not as good at that place. So what do
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: you do? You force the guy to make a mistake.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: You put enough pressure on him until he pops. And
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: that's when it comes in back to whatever we've been
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: talking for an hour now. the pressure, the guy that
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: can take it. And it's just really, it is like that.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: And then you're relying on the team too because we
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: do pit stops, right? We change four tires and we
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: put 20 gallons of fuel in eight seconds. But then
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: when you put those eight seconds when you come into
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: the pits, that the entire field of 26 cars that
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: we have are probably going to be in one and
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: a half seconds from first to last.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: If you come in and the guy has an eight-second
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: pit stop and you have a 10 because somebody made
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: a mistake. Then you lost. Yeah, you go from first
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: to last. And then a place that you can't pass,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: you're done. So there are so many other things that
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: are out of your control as well that have to
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: go right. It's actually, it's brutal. You know what I mean?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: To win, it's brutal.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Well, because like in any other sport, some of the
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: other sports, if you don't win because you suck, because
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: you suck. You can't shoot the ball. It's on you. Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't make the basketball. I can't hit the baseball.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: But that's on you. You need to go there and practice. Us,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: you can be the best guy out there. If you
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: don't have a team behind you, you're done. There's a
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: lot of factors. Right. And on top of that, you
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: have the best team. But the manufacturer that make the
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: little lug nut, one of those are defective and they break.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, so it's very unfair. It's like life, man.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: 100%. And we're never happy.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: We're never happy, man. Life's unfair, and so is that sport. Tony,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time, man.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I'm
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: a fan, and it's a pleasure to be here.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: That's the same way that I feel, man, and I
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: look forward. I'm going to come out to the IndyCar
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: next May.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Hopefully. Hopefully. it will be my– we're working on it.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: We've got to get in there, dude. Putting a lot
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: of pressure on the people behind the scenes. But, yeah,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: it's going to be my 25th year. And if you're
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: really serious and you have the time, you'll be my guest.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: And I promise you, you're going to experience something that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: you never did with 400,000 people in that place. I'll
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: give you a radio. You can listen to the conversations
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: during the race. Yeah, be sick.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely make it.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: And I have to say, it might be my next one,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: my last one. So you'll probably be there for the good. Farewell.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: The ciao, huh? And then we can go party Sunday night. Yeah.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: The way I say it, we can go drink to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: celebrate or to forget. Go get you a third wife, huh? No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: Stop it. I'm joking. No, no. I'm joking, miss. We'll
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: get you a wife. Yeah, there we go. She has
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: some friends. She does? Yeah, she does.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: I want a Brazilian wife too.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: Well, she's not Brazilian. She's American, but I have a
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: lot of Brazilian friends. Yeah. Are you sure you want that? Yeah,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 1: My friend's married a Brazilian lady and she seemed like
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: a great lady.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'll send you some.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, send me some T-Maya so I can play it
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: for him. Tony, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: bones