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Ep. 72 : It’s Rickey Time · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode seventy two of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike Coolard firm as Ball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend also from as Ball,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Brewer. We are speaking on the first day of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five here, and what are you looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to this year? Any good resolutions? We didn't do a
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  Speaker 1: resolution pod this year, but last year it was to
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  Speaker 1: stay away from injured pictures. So I was wondering if
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  Speaker 1: you had any other resolutions you wanted to set up
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  Speaker 1: for failure going in into twenty five here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that one clearly clearly failed, like a whole week
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  Speaker 2: or two in this draft season came in. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't think any any big ones. I think we as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about some streasure that new and kind of
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  Speaker 2: one of our last podcasts, you know, I think being
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  Speaker 2: a little bit discipline and some of the strategies we
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  Speaker 2: talked about actually knowing, like building depth and you know,
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  Speaker 2: actually thinking through the prospecting and things like that. But
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  Speaker 2: I was say, any big fantasy ones. Do have a
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  Speaker 2: few card collecting things I want to try to get
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  Speaker 2: into do an older vintage set this year and trying
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  Speaker 2: to you know, get into the fifty four set, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and try to go after that one. That's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a haul. Yeah, a little little work for that one,
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  Speaker 2: but a few little card resolutions to chase some some
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  Speaker 2: big cards on my list. But otherwise just trying to
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  Speaker 2: do you know, hit the gym and eat right like
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  Speaker 2: everybody else, which that's gonna last for a whole week.
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  Speaker 2: So how about you. Any any big resolutions for you.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I can think of off the top of
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  Speaker 1: my head. We're about to do some big house renovations
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  Speaker 1: in my world, so that'll be quite the hurdle to
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  Speaker 1: get through as we get into that over the next
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  Speaker 1: couple of months. But otherwise, yeah, just kind of focusing
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  Speaker 1: on trying to have fun with everything as much as
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  Speaker 1: I possibly can. That the baseball season can be a
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  Speaker 1: very long grind, and it's I'm very appreciative that we
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  Speaker 1: get this time and space to talk about baseball and
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  Speaker 1: cards and fantasy and so just making sure that we
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  Speaker 1: have the most fun that we can have throughout twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five here on this pod. And yeah, so we've
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  Speaker 1: been off for a couple of weeks. As you stated,
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  Speaker 1: our last pod was on an odd anew kind of
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  Speaker 1: overview back on episode seventy one. Certainly check that out
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  Speaker 1: if you want some more kind of like Dynasty Stop
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  Speaker 1: Talk and things like that. This pod will be very
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  Speaker 1: cards focused because we had two weeks of news that
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  Speaker 1: we went through and there were lots and lots of signings,
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  Speaker 1: but also one momentous, really sad moment that happened over
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  Speaker 1: the past two weeks, as Ricky Henderson passed away on
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  Speaker 1: December twentieth, five days short of his sixty sixth birthday.
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  Speaker 1: So going forward in my personal life, I'm actually going
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate Christmas more as like Ricky Henderson's birthday. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'll even make Ricky Henderson my treetopper, because what a
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  Speaker 1: momentous career was. This is a player who obviously is
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, one time MVP, ten time All Star,
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  Speaker 1: two World Series three Silver Sluggers, only one Gold Glove,
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  Speaker 1: although deserved certainly many more based on how his fielding
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  Speaker 1: was and the way it rates up historically. Also, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who compared to other players, I
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  Speaker 1: would say, you know, in his era of the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: late seventies and throughout the eighties, Henderson rates really well
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  Speaker 1: in terms of what we're looking at in modern analytics.
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  Speaker 1: Had just a great walk rate, a career four oh
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  Speaker 1: one OBP, which you don't see out of anything that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, not a slugger. Obviously, the career record holder
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  Speaker 1: in stolen bases that's never even going to be touched
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  Speaker 1: at fourteen hundred and six stolen bases. Same with runs.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's going to touch this runs
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  Speaker 1: record that Ricky set with two hundred ninety five career runs.
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  Speaker 1: Only player in history with more than two thousand runs,
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  Speaker 1: three thousand hits, and two thousand walks. I just coincidentally,
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  Speaker 1: when he passed, I was amidst reading Howard Bryant's biography
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  Speaker 1: on him, called Ricky, which I recommend everybody go out
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  Speaker 1: there and read. It's a fantastic book from Bryant on
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  Speaker 1: not only Ricky, but just kind of Ricky's place in
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  Speaker 1: America overall, in terms of coming from Oakland and what
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  Speaker 1: he went through growing up actually was like more of
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  Speaker 1: like a football player coming up, so like that was
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  Speaker 1: a big portion of why I think he was able
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  Speaker 1: to physically handle all of those stool and bases that
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  Speaker 1: we don't see other players do that the way that
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  Speaker 1: Ricky has, and so, yeah, I think this is a guy,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you read that book by Howard Bryant, you'll
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  Speaker 1: get a better understanding of how he was misportrayed I
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  Speaker 1: think in the media, and so Henderson a little bit
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  Speaker 1: maybe before our time. We're a little bit more of
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  Speaker 1: like the Griffy generation of kids. And so I certainly
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  Speaker 1: got more into Ricky as he hung around in the
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  Speaker 1: latter part of his career his twenty five year career,
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  Speaker 1: played for nine teams. And we've got lots of stuff
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  Speaker 1: to cover for the personal PC that we're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: for Ricky in the in the back half the main
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  Speaker 1: portion of this pod. So we'll get into a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more of the stats and stories and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: but anything that really kind of strikes you first when
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  Speaker 1: you think of Ricky Henderson, and like I spouted off,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of great records. He was one of
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  Speaker 1: the Inner Circle Hall of Famers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's there's so much to like about
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  Speaker 2: about Ricky and and and so bad to see him
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  Speaker 2: him gone way too soon. But you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: think about Ricky, you know, I think about Ricky and
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  Speaker 2: Oakland A's like that, that's who it is, and i'd
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  Speaker 2: say the face of that franchise for many years with
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  Speaker 2: regardless of the number of guys who went through there,
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  Speaker 2: the Bash Brothers, things like that. And I find it
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  Speaker 2: interesting that he paid played for the Oakland A's four
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  Speaker 2: different times in his career, which I think is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to see how many other players played for
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  Speaker 2: what would say their their team, the team they came
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  Speaker 2: up with four different times throughout the career. Uh left Oakland,
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  Speaker 2: went to the Yankees, left it, went back to Oakland,
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  Speaker 2: went to the Blue Jays, went back to Oakland, went
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  Speaker 2: to the Padres Angels, went back to Oakland. Like just
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  Speaker 2: he just kind of kept finding his way back to Oakland,
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  Speaker 2: which is, you know, really who he was and who
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  Speaker 2: I think of him as. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: you you raddle off all those stats, it's just incredible
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  Speaker 2: what he's able to do. And as you know, you
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  Speaker 2: think about Ricky and speed, he wasn't just a speed guy.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what he gets he's known for. But
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he was able to walk as much
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  Speaker 2: as he was and get on base, the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he he almost hit three hundred home runs in his career.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's monumentals for any player. Three thousand hits, you know,
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  Speaker 2: over a thousand RBI like man, the guy was just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: And there's just so much more that we could probably
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  Speaker 2: go into his stories about Ricky and everybody's covering him already,
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  Speaker 2: so we won't go too much into that, but I
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  Speaker 2: think we'll have some fun talking about his cards and
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  Speaker 2: opportunities that we see to collect Ricky in the future here,
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  Speaker 2: So looking forward to getting to that once we get
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  Speaker 2: through our our news and notes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I totally agree, and Ricky I think also it's
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  Speaker 1: nice that we have Immaculate Grade now because you can
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  Speaker 1: always remember them. He qualifies just about every day for
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  Speaker 1: use in Immaculate Grade in one way or another, just
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  Speaker 1: because he played for so many teams and set so
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  Speaker 1: many records and was just in all time great. So,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, we'll get into let's get into some
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  Speaker 1: of those news and notes. And it was a busy
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  Speaker 1: period of two weeks since we last talked. Lots of trades,
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  Speaker 1: lots of signings, and the big one right off the
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  Speaker 1: bat is Corbyn Burns coming off the board signing with
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona Diamondbacks for a total of six years and
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and ten million with there's lots of opt
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  Speaker 1: outs and other kind of like trinkets within this entire contract,
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  Speaker 1: as Boris made sure to set Corbin Burns up, and really,
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  Speaker 1: for me, this feels a lot like that Zach Grienki
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  Speaker 1: free agent deal that when he signed with Arizona and
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  Speaker 1: you know, moved over there that I think the Diamondbacks
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  Speaker 1: were a bit of like a dark horse here. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have them even needing rotation help coming into
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  Speaker 1: this offseason, but this certainly helps them keep pace and
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  Speaker 1: what's going to be I think the Anal West is
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  Speaker 1: probably the most exciting division that we've got going now.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's competing except for the Rockies, and the Rockies are
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  Speaker 1: always there for the funny factor, But on the Diamondbacks,
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  Speaker 1: this should just really set them up beautifully in terms
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  Speaker 1: of putting Corbyn Burns at the top of their rotation.
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  Speaker 1: They now go six deep if you kind of count
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  Speaker 1: Joinn Montgomery in there, and you know they've got players
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  Speaker 1: coming through that system as well that we've liked over
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  Speaker 1: the years, and so it's a really great pitching staff.
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  Speaker 1: Really great rotation in terms of fantasy value. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this actually kind of moves the needle one
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  Speaker 1: way or the other in terms of where Burns was
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  Speaker 1: being drafted as a top five starting pitcher, because Arizona's
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  Speaker 1: a relatively neutral ish park, like it plays a little
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  Speaker 1: hit heavy because of the outfield dimensions, but then because
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  Speaker 1: of the humidor that they brought in there, it's allowed
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  Speaker 1: the ball to play a little better. So I think
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  Speaker 1: this is overall like a pretty nice landing spot if
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  Speaker 1: you had taken Burns in any early drafts. But what
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  Speaker 1: do you think, brew do you think that this is
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  Speaker 1: can be a great spot for Burns to come back
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  Speaker 1: and come back for another NLCY Young Award running. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Burns has definitely trailed off over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years from his absolutely dominant self in like twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two, but there's really nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 2: where he landed. He's a more of a groundball pitcher,
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  Speaker 2: so that's good news for him. You know, Arizona's not
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  Speaker 2: the easiest place to pitch ins, you know, one of
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  Speaker 2: the top five or six worst parks to pitchins. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of other places that we may have
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  Speaker 2: liked to see him ultimately land, but he's gonna get
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  Speaker 2: the run sport there as well, So maybe it's a
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  Speaker 2: you know, minum mid school tick down from other spots,
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  Speaker 2: but overall, I think it's a good spot for him.
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  Speaker 2: It's a win. You know, you have a certain team
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  Speaker 2: now of where he's gonna be, and there's if you
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  Speaker 2: look at kind of pitcheons coach staffs, there's a great
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  Speaker 2: pitching coach staff there as well, and always getting the
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  Speaker 2: most out of out of the pictures. So you have
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  Speaker 2: to kind of like how all those things are lined
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  Speaker 2: up for Burns. I think the biggest thing that I'm
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  Speaker 2: struggling with this one is I was really excited to
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  Speaker 2: see Ryan Nelson and what he was gonna do this year,
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  Speaker 2: and like you called out that they're six starters, Jordan Montgomery,
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  Speaker 2: I would probably argue with you on that one, and
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  Speaker 2: this is Ryan Nelson. But either way, Ryan Nelson's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna be stiff in the rotation anytime soon with Burns, Gallon, Kelly,
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  Speaker 2: Edward Rudriguez, and Brandon Fatt in there. And even that
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  Speaker 2: got Brandon Fatt, who I think has a lot of potential.
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  Speaker 2: Montgomery they still probably want to get their money's worth
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  Speaker 2: out out of him as well. So they're a deep
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  Speaker 2: team and I think that's gonna be excited to see
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  Speaker 2: as they're trying to make their way into that in
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  Speaker 2: that division, because man, Dodgers, we know are gonna be tough,
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  Speaker 2: Podgers are gonna be good giants. They're gonna do their
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  Speaker 2: giants thing or they do whatever. We can't tell sometimes
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  Speaker 2: how good they're gonna be or not. And then Rockies
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  Speaker 2: a Rocky that's fine. So it's gonna be fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be quite the race. And good luck
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  Speaker 1: Michaelias trying to build a rotation now at this point
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  Speaker 1: because the Baltimore Orioles are in deep trouble.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Jack Flair to here you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they can bring in Sasaki. Although there was
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  Speaker 1: a tweet today that it's a pretty much the big
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  Speaker 1: guys that are left for Sasaki in terms of Dodgers, Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox, Cubs, Podreys. I think was what the finalist was,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Mariners. I don't fully recall it. I just remember
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  Speaker 1: that they did finally rule out the White Sox, which
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  Speaker 1: Rookie Sasaki probably did very early on. But that was
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  Speaker 1: probably a fun carrot to hang in front of Chris Gatz.
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  Speaker 2: I know it something news were covered today, but I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was really interesting that I was reading Sasaki
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  Speaker 2: the twenty teams then proposals, like what were those other
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  Speaker 2: ten teams doing? You could have at least have the
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  Speaker 2: Intern put together proposal. I know it was a long shot,
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  Speaker 2: but at least give it a good college try type
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  Speaker 2: of thing. You know, you we was gonna happen, but like,
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  Speaker 2: how would you if he went inside with the white
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  Speaker 2: socks and you're sitting there, you know, over in Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: and you didn't put in the little white paper type
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  Speaker 2: of thing, and you're like what, So he.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently was opened everywhere. If the White Sox got a
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  Speaker 1: meeting at all period, Yes, exactly. Well, yeah, you alluded
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  Speaker 1: to the La Dodgers being another behemoth here in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, and they have re ups with ta Oskar
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  Speaker 1: Harnandez the outfielder since we last talked, as he's coming
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  Speaker 1: in on a sixty six million dollar deal for three years. Again,
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  Speaker 1: lots of wonky mechanics here in terms of an upfront
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  Speaker 1: bonus and deferred payments because of course it's the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: that they've got to kick a lot of these payments
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  Speaker 1: down the road. But ta Oskar's coming back to the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers after turning in a season with a one thirty
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  Speaker 1: four WRC plus where he slashed two seventy two three
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  Speaker 1: point thirty nine five oh one, thirty three bombs, eighty
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  Speaker 1: four runs, nine rpi, twelve stone bases. Brew any reason
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't just copy that line and throw it right
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  Speaker 1: into my projections for twenty twenty five, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would. I'd say I'm gonna throw slight, cold water
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  Speaker 2: and tasker Hernandez, just because I always do. With tia Oscar.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got the risky strike ut rate. He
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  Speaker 2: had a little bit more luck than usual last year.
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  Speaker 2: The ball flew out a little bit more. So if
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  Speaker 2: you want to pencil him for ninety percent of what
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  Speaker 2: he did, I'm perfectly fine with it. But I think
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  Speaker 2: that there's gonna be a little bit more of regression
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  Speaker 2: because everything clicked, everything he hit the ball, well, he
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit lucky, and he played on the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers like everything just worked. And let's expect a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of regression there. And like I said, pencil Van
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  Speaker 2: for ninety percent of that. I think we're happy he's
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  Speaker 2: nineteenth off the board right now, and I expect that
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  Speaker 2: to kind of jump up, and it could go up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I would be opposed to taking him
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  Speaker 2: above Lawrence Butler, who's going right in front of him.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be opposed to take him in front of
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  Speaker 2: Brenton Doyle's, say s Zukulu's Robert who are going right
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  Speaker 2: behind him. So I think he's probably kind of in
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  Speaker 2: the right ballgame, But I don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: him in front of James Wood or Jackson Merrill or
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  Speaker 2: anybody like that that's a little bit above him has
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  Speaker 2: some of that potential speed and upside. So I think
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  Speaker 2: you can pencil amm, maybe put a little regression in there,
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  Speaker 2: and move on with life, like that's probably what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Just hope the strikeouts stay in check.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that means you just pretty much perfectly described his
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  Speaker 1: steamer line with thirty homers, mid eighties runs, mid nineties
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  Speaker 1: RBI like eight to nine storm bases upper two fifties average, right,
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, that is I think you can set
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  Speaker 1: it and forget it. Taoscar is who he is, and
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  Speaker 1: even some of that luck in terms of you might
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  Speaker 1: see those inflated babeps over the past few years, but
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  Speaker 1: this is a dude who scorches the ball. He's got
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  Speaker 1: pretty good wheels that I think ta Oscar is who
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  Speaker 1: he is until like you see some sort of injury
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  Speaker 1: or any sort of like really skills degradation, but it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't shown yet. So I think he's right in kind
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  Speaker 1: of the the prime of his like veteran status, a
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  Speaker 1: great landing spot in terms of where he was at
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  Speaker 1: in those draft names. I think that's right where Taoscar
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  Speaker 1: should be and will be all draft season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so probably the best news for him of just
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  Speaker 2: going back home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. No in no worries about having to like
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  Speaker 1: re learn new setups and kind of daily routines. I
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  Speaker 1: like that for somebody routine returning. And we've got another
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  Speaker 1: returner here, and that is Sean Mania re signing with
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  Speaker 1: the Mets. He's getting three years, seventy five million, again,
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  Speaker 1: deferred money, bonuses, all sorts of stuff set up. But again,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is another situation where I'm going to ask,
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  Speaker 1: like the same question where Mania's coming off a season
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  Speaker 1: where he put up one hundred and eighty one and
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  Speaker 1: two thirds innings with a three forty seven ear array,
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  Speaker 1: a three eighty three FIP twelve and six record. He
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  Speaker 1: also struck out nine point one per nine, so that
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  Speaker 1: came it for one hundred and eighty four strikeouts. Any
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  Speaker 1: reason we can't just kind of pencil it in, Sean
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  Speaker 1: and I have for that line all over again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's you can. I think he
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  Speaker 2: strode a little bit more in the second half. Like
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  Speaker 2: the overall numbers looked pretty much identical, but underline there
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit of question for him. It seemed
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  Speaker 2: like he wore down because this is not a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's had a really full season workload in about two years,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think, yeah, that was kind of maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of drawback. Got a little lucky in
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  Speaker 2: the left on base department, a little lucky in the
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  Speaker 2: babit department. So I see a little bit of regression here,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And if you look at some of his numbers,
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  Speaker 2: his ex FIP, his his XCRA, they're all about called
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  Speaker 2: a half point worse than what he actually achieved, and
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably about right. And so if you
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: want to use the ninety percent again on media, they
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: just using taskar. I don't know how you do that
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: on a picture. Maybe you multiply by one point one
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: like for the Era and Whip. So I think I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: maybe pull Manaya back. But if you look at the
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: ADP and I looked at earlier today, so I can't
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: remember off the top of my head, but it's about right,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Like that's baked in. I think he's he's going, I
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: want to say, around like the thirty to forty range
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: and starting pictures, which feels probably about right. So yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a little I have a little trepidation if somebody's like, yes,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: pencil perfectly in, I'm probably not gonna own him. But
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I do think that he's gonna be a solid, steady,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: eddy middle of you know, the rotation type of guy
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: that you'll be happy to have on your team.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I'm a little bit rosier
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: on him, and obviously I was last year too, which
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: led to a lot of ownership shares, which is tainting
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: my view, I think a little bit because I'm really
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: boded on him. But that second half, the strikeout rate
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: increased because he like started using that new slot famously
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and kind of started coming a little bit more from
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that Chris Angle led to a little more success, And
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that just kind of shows that
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Manaia's got the ability to kind of reinvent himself into
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: like the veteran status. You know, he's going to be
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: turning thirty three on February first, So that's what you
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like to see, is like the ability to dynamically change.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And I think given that situation that ballpark in New York,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out any better than that for Anaya.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of like what driven drove
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: some of those lower babbyops and just overall better left
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: on base rates and things like that. But he's coming
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: right back to City Field again. It plays cold, it's cavernous,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and I really like that matchup. So I mean, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: think I'll probably end up with some shares of Manaia.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But like the break, the best piece about him last
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: year was that he was absolutely free at the draft table. Now,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would draft him as like
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: my number if I was really like just things had
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: not gone my way in terms of starting pitching in
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a draft, I could maybe make him my number two,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: just because I think you can set one hundred and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: eighty innings from when I am more than you can
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: just about anybody else in the league anymore. That like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the volume is there, So like, even if the strikeout
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: rate isn't quite as great as some other number two
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: pitchers for fantasy, the volume will be there. And I mean,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I think I'd rather have him as my number three
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: starter on a fantasy staff. But I just I think
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he's a solid, solid option right now.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it, and it's it's always
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: good to see a guy go back to where they
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: bound success because you know that that's what was working
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: for him. And so if he was to have jumped
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: from New York from the Mets to the Yankees, like oh,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: a little questionable, I'm scared of it. I think of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: enough confidence that most of what he's done will will stick.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think you got a little that rosy drunk a
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: little too much of the Manaya koul aid last year. So
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: we'll see. I think you'll we played twoey leagues together,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you'll probably have most of the shares if we're both
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: at the draft table there.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's the guy that I think you'll have
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: most of the shares of it is another pitcher signing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: We have Walker Buehler going to the Boston Red Sox
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: on a one year deal of over just twenty one
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: million bucks. Does have a mutual option for the second year,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: but mutual options pretty much never get picked up. Now.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Buehler is coming off of what was a tough regular
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: season seventy five and one third innings with a five
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: thirty eight RA strikeout rate that was only eighteen point
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: six percent K minus BB of ten and a half percent.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: But then in the playoffs he looked like vintage Walker
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Bieler back when you know in twenty twenty one, when
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he put up a two forty seven ERA over two
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: hundred and seven and two thirds innings, that feels like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a bygone here, especially coming off of the COVID year.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's insane that Buehler did. That might also be why
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: he blew out his elbow the next year. But Buehler,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I think, is gonna be an enigma until we see
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: him back in spring training, see what he looks like
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in uniform, because you could tell in the playoffs he
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: left everything he could on the table to be able
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to gut it out for the Dodgers and not only
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: win that World Series, but also inter free agency on
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a high note. So, what type of Walker Bueler do
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you think we see showing up in Boston for twenty
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: twenty five. Is it something more akin to what his
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four regular season performance was, something back to
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the vintage of the twenty one Walker Bueler we saw
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, or something in between.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you gave me each of a softball
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: question there. It's clearly something in between. But I think
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it's one of those you got, you know, coming back
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: off the off the surgery, and some guys bounce back
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: right away, some guys take time. And Walker Bueler, I know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: he's not like a spring chicken here. He's not the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, young but he's still in baseball terms, at thirty,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: is still relatively in the you know, in his prime
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: able to do things. So I do think he's gonna
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: bounce back. You know, the controls always like the last
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: thing to come. The velocity's relatively been there, maybe slightly down,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: was building up last year. He was about ninety five,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and a few years prior when he was looking pretty
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: gotchart good. It was the mid ninety five's we'd like
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to see him back in the ninety six as before,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but that might again a good good the healthy offseason
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: might be able to get him there. But the control
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: was the issue, that was what was the problem. He
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: gave up one more walk per nine than basically his
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: entire career, and that's what but that's what was biting him,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is he could not get out of those situations because
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: he's putting guys on and that will kill you. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I think that comes back. I think he's comes back
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: a little healthier, a little stronger. I do not like
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the move to finway. That is not gonna be ideal
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: for for for him. You know, again, he does keep
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the ball on the ground, but he also gives up
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a decent amount of homers for the how when the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: ball does get in there, which is gonna be a challenge.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So I like Buehlers of flyer here and you don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: have anythy shock and hearing that from me, because that's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: just kind of how I roll with this kind of guy,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: because he he has exhibited the kind of profile that
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love when he's healthy. And the price right
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: here is really unbelievable. If he asked me at this
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: point in time because he is going to be fully healthy.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: The Red Sox, you know, paid him a pretty handsome sum,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and they wouldn't have done that if they didn't think
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: he was going to be fully healthy. You have to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: believe they did their due diligence, and so, you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: let's just pencil in for one hundred and fifty eight
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: means called up a strikeout per nine, call it, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: two and a half to three walks per nine, called
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a three seven five to three nine, five era and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: thirteen wins something like that. I probably should be looking
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: at the Steamer projections as I say this, but I'm not.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I know you probably are, and I'm still shocked to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: see where he's going off the board. Have you looked
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to see his ADP at this point in time just
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at just like December ADP.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. But I think it's also being driven
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: off of that Steamer projection, because if you just use
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the raw Steamer projection, it's essentially a carbon copy of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season rate stats, which obviously is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: built upon Like how his pitches looked a lot that
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I think projection systems are really starting to integrate pitch
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: shape data and like stuff plus and things like that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: more so than they have the past couple of years.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And so I think that's what Steamer is looking at
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: here for Walker Dealer. But at the same time we
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: know that that isn't what he showed because that was
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the regular season data we saw in the postseason where
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: he was able to bump it up a little bit
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: more Gray's. I think Gray has his projection in on
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: our site where he would be like an eleven dollars
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: pitcher the steamer the straight steamer is like a negative
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: ten dollars pitcher and a twelve team that. But I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: think Gray's maybe a little rosie here where he's got
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a three forty seven array one one three whip nine
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: point two K nine. So write what you were saying,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but he only has nine wins. So once you taggle
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: what you were saying with the array with what you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: were saying for maybe more wins. Honestly, you probably got
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Walker Bieler right around the same spot of being like
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: an eight to ten dollars pitcher.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's kind of where I see him, and it
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is ADP right now. I'm going off, like I say,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in BC data for December has with a ninety eighth
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: pitcher off the board.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Got jeez, so like a one dollar pitcher.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going right between Nicolodolo and Carlos Estevaz And uh,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I'm personally a little Dola guy, so I'm a little
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: insulted by that. But let's you look up and like
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the rodel Blanco Gavin Williams cutter across for Michael Waka
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: type area, Like you're talking about guys that you're looking
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: at talking about floor versus ceiling here and Buehler's got
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: ceiling potential. Most of those type of guys are you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: talking about, you're hoping for a high floor, get what
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you're get what you're after, and it just becomes dart
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: throws from there, like this is where Brian bell Bellow goes,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: This is where Nester Cortes goes, is where Chucks and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Job goes. Merrill Kelly like those types of guys where
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you're just looking for innings or you're looking for shot
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in the dark. And I feel like Blue Mueller's better
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: than a shot in the dark. And yeah, you're not
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: building your rotation around him. And if you build risky rotation.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You probably don't need him, but I don't want him.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But if you've got some guys that you trust, some
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: of those innings eaters early in the draft, and you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: able to rely on them, and you're hoping for the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: upside of Bueler and know that if you know he
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't remain healthier if they baby him a little bit,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you can withstand that. I really like him. I really
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like him. So again, you weren't shocked by that analysis
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: because you a tool.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean this is going to be somebody
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: who I think his draft stock is going to rise
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: very quickly throughout draft season, especially if you're using an
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: auction calculator that's just running off a steamer right now,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that's not kicking out a great value for Bueler that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you would have to manually adjust that within your auction calculator.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, based on what you said, I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: think makes a really great target for like a number
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: three starter where I mean, honestly, pair is great with
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: like a Corbyn Burn Sean Maniya guys where you got
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit more veteran floor and just steadiness that like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: if you're looking for a number three that could turn
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: into a one or two, but could also totally bottom out.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I think Walker Bueler is kind of in that realm
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: because going to the Ale East is not going to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: be easy I think for him in terms of like
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: just one coast to the other, totally different media environment
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and pitching and Fenway that it could really you can
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: see where this can get sideways really fast. So like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: certainly I'm not investing huge draft capital into Walker Bueler,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah, if I can pick him up at like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a eight to ten dollars value in drafts roughly, then yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's great.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you'll be able to at least
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: early in the off season and as spring training goes along.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: If I Velocity is showing anything with a ninety six
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: like for an average, I would be absolutely thrilled even
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of the ninety five as spring training if he's if
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he's bringing it at that, I'm gonna be really really
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: excited to see Walker Bueler.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, Well, the next set of news we have
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is pretty much half the league like moved around first
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: baseman in the past two weeks since we've talked that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it's been chaotic to even try to keep up with it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna rattle through all the movement and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna toss it back to you for you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know what of these moves maybe intrigues you the most,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: kind of like strikes your fancy as you know, somebody
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: who has a significant up arrow or a down arrow
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in their fancy value. And then we'll just kind of
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: pick a few of the other transactions that maybe kind
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of like are a little bit more interesting than any
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of the others. So here's all the first basement movement
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we've had in the past two weeks. We have the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Houston Astros signing Christian Walker to be their first baseman,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and that would a deal that came in at three year,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. Then we had the d Backs to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: replace Christian Walker, went out and traded Slaate Socni for
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Josh Naylor. So Naylor comes over from Cleveland slots right
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: into the first base spot for Arizona. Then we had
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Paul Goldschmidt, former Arizona team back, sign with the Yankees
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: on a one year, twelve and a half million dollar deal.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The Guardians needed a first baseman through all this, because
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle Manzardo not good enough. You know what.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: They also needed switch hitting veteran Carlos at Tana coming back,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: which is actually I heard a funny anecdote that like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: just a few days before the Santa and I had
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like a home in Cleveland for a long time, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you know, he's been there a couple of times. Finally
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: sold it, then re signed with Cleveland. So now has
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to find new housing in the Cleveland area. Good luck
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: with that, Carlos Santana. Gio Urshela is moving over to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the A's where it looks like he's probably gonna have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like a full time role every day with the Athletics
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in that new minor league ballpark. Washington actually saw all
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: this action going on and was like, you know what,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: we don't want one first basement, we want two first basements.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So they went over to the Rangers, traded left handed
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: reliever Robert Garcia to the Rangers for Nathaniel Lowe. Then
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: also went out and signed Josh Bell, bringing him back
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: after he was there a few years ago. So let
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: me check roster resource. I think there should be enough
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: space for both of those guys. Yeah, so one should
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: play first base, one should DH and they should flop
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: back and forth. So we have Christian Walker, Josh Naylor,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: gold Schmid, Carlos Santana, Geo Rochella, Nathaniel Lowe, and Josh Bell.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: That seven first basemen that we're on the move in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the past two weeks. Which of these is the most
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: intriguing to you group?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I have to pick out one, and you
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: know me, I never can, but I'm going to try.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It would be going right back to the beginning, which
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: is Christian Walker going to Houston. I think Christian Walker
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: going to Houston is just another of those Italian signs
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that Houston's like, we know who we are and we
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: know what ballpark we play in, and we're just gonna
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: keep doing that. Christian Walker pulls the ball, He's gonna
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: use the short cropper boxes, no question about it. He
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't have like the Isaac Parid's kind of like symptomes
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that extreme, and he also has a little bit more power,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: so like boxes are not, it's probably gonna still fly
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: out of the ballpark, but he has that tendency and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that ballpark is gonna play very very well for him.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And coming leaving from Arizona, which I mean it was
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a poke to get that ball out in Arizona for him,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and he did fantastic there. I'd argue the lineups, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: probably relatively neutral there. But I really do like this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: from an overall ballpark perspective. I did feel that the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Diamondbacks never fully like invested in Christian Walker. I don't
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: know if that's true, Like you're actually more of a
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Christian Walker guy than I am, but like it always
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: felt like he was never their guy, even though he
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: played like he should have been their guy. It was
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: always like, how like we might want a better first
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: baseman even though we have one that's hitting thirty five bombs,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: hitting two fifty v and knocking in one hundred runs,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Like there's got to be a better option out there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It always felt like that's how he's treating in Arizona.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So I like this move to Houston for Christian Walker.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And so if I have to pick the one, that's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: where it's at, and I'm gonna stop there before I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: going to anybody else. So let you pick one that
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you're excited about here.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Uh. For me, I mean, I think it's actually Goldie
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: going to New York just because it is a nice
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: landing spot. For him to make good on a one
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: year deal. He's got an inside out swing that I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: think will play really well on Yankee Stadium that he
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: can kind of muscle balls to right field the way
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that Aaron Judge does there. So I think that there's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: there's a possibility you could see a bounce back for
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Goldie where he refines some of that value and where
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: he was really struggling in twenty twenty four was honestly
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: keeping up with the fastball, which is not where you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: want to be in his career, like at the end
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of his career, because that pretty much pretends that it's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it's coming, that you know, the light at the end
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of the tunnel is approaching quickly. But at a place
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: like Yankee Stadium where he doesn't have to worry about
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: ripping it down the line as much. I think it
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: allows Goldie to get out of his head a little bit.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you could tell that in twenty four he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: was cheating a lot to get to fastballs and just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: threw off his entire approach. I think he's strong enough
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't need to do that if he keeps
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: his plate approach and can kind of maybe rEFInd any
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of his groove that I don't know if I'm really
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: necessarily going to be investing heavily in Goldie, but especially
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: if you somehow miss out on all the first basemen
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that go in my twelve teamer and you're one of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the last players to take a first baseman, I think
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you can certainly do much worse than taking a flyer
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: on Goldie as like kind of your cheap end game
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: first baseman. So I like that landing spot for him.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm gonna read off some stats here I
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: want you to look at because I know you have
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: fangrafts off up right now, look at Goldie's twenty twenty
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: four line with Saint Louis, and I'm going to read
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you another line of a player and tell me how
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: close you feel that these lines are. Okay, twenty two homers,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: seventy three runs, sixty one ribies with a two forty
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: eight average, pretty much starting close to Goldie's line with
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis last.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Year, pretty much? Is I mean, Goldie tipped in stolen bases,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: which is nice for first basement.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, six stolen basements. I skipped that for this guy.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: This is Anthony Rizzo before he went over to the Yankees,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and the next season with the Yankees, he added ten homers.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: His RBA guys jumped up fourteen, his steals stayed the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: same as runs stayed about the same as average dipped
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Uh. I think he got a little
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: little unlucky on that one and ten less games than
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: with the season before and the season before. I know
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Hadress is gonna be a partial season between the Cubs
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and the Yankees, But like that to me feels exactly
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like what Goldsman. I know Goldman's a little older, but like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: is that not the same exact profile, the same exact
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: thing They're just trying to do again. And so if
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you use that as your comparison, and I don't, I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm in the ten percents game today for
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: some for whatever reason, add ten percent to Goldie or
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: maybe even twenty percent. And it's hard to argue that
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: because they've done it before, and he has gonna be
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in a pretty good lineup position. I mean, the Cardinals
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: had a decent lineup position, but Ernando and using like Nolan,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Gorman slash Wilson controllers against Chisholm, Judge and Bellinger. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: gotta give it to the Yankees there from that line
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: of protection. And so yeah, I think you're right that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: there's something to be to be said here. And I'm
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: not going out and investing in him, but I'm like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: he's sitting there for my corner infield. Sure, I'll take you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm gonna take a lot of corner infield shots
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: on Goldie coming into this year. Oddly that you said
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that with us in our our deep podcast, that we're
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: going to get off on some tangent with these first basemen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: The tangent I want to get off on is actually
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the two pitchers that were in the trades I think
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: are the most interesting part of these movements. All this
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: first baseman, you know, shuffle between Robert Garcia is an
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: electric South pop moving in to a Texas Rangers bullpen
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that does not have a closer right now. There was
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: lots of rumblings of Garcia, you know, maybe closing in
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Washington late last year, especially as Finnigan was struggling and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was on the trade block, and then subsequently dfad like
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: not offered a contract at the tendering deadline, and so
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: he's got electric stuff and is gonna be one of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the go tos I think right now, I think the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Rangers probably end up bringing back Kirby Yates, but Yeats
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: is gonna be thirty eight, I believe, and you never
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: know where that can go. And then you have Slatson
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Cony moving over to the Cleveland Guardians organization that is
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: just a pitching factory powerhouse. This is a guy who
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: had over a one hundred stuff plus and location plus
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: last year, and a lot of that was driven by
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: improvements on his cutter where he added a couple of
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: ticks to his cutter that he just couldn't quite figure
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it out in Arizona. And I do wonder if there's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: enough in that arsenal where Cleveland retools Slate secone that
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: he is in line to be like their sixth starter
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: right now, essentially you know there's only five set starters.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And then there's kind of a mix smash of like
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Logan Allen and and others kind of in triple A
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that I think Slay Seccony would come up before. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: so I want to get some of your insights there,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like do you think that you're taking any dart throws
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: on either of these guys, especially in like super Deep
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: like you know these autnew back end of your auto
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: nee roster or like a fifty round draft and hold
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that any intrigue in.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: These players, yeah, I think both points you make are
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: fair Cleveland. Any picture that they're interested in is interesting.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I see enough in Slade's background.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, let me just go jump after that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: But I think Arcia is really the one that is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a little more intriguing. And Russia resource has some actually
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: sharing the closer role with Jacob Webb, which I don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: really see necessarily. The web's got that on on Lockdown.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's more of if if Yates comes back
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: or a clerk or makes his return or something like
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that like that, I think those would be the guy
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to stand up there. So I think Garcia has got,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: you know, sneaky closer value, and you know, he doesn't
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: have a huge track record, but what he's done has
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: looked good and the numbers behind it seemed to back
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: it up, and so he's maybe just unlocked something, you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: kind of as a late twenties guy that yeah, he's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: found his spot in the bullpen. So let's let's let's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: see what he does. And I think for your points, right,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: like in a deeper league. I think Garcia is a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: guy to target, especially in some of those kind of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: dynasty formats stuff like that, because you're gonna get him
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: pretty cheap at the draft table. And if you're wrong,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: oh well, if you're right, yeah you could. You could
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: take advantage of this for a few years. So I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: think Garcia is intriguing here, and I think you make
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a good call that he might be one of the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: most interesting pieces of all these trades. I'm still saying
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I like Christian Walker more interesting, but I'll give you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: a kudos find the silver lining here. I was worried
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't talk about Josh Bell, so I'll give you.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: That I was thinking about it. I'm always it's hard
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to lay off of Josh Bell because the projections always
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: kick out way better than what he is and then
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: he goes on like a late season tears. It's a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: classic Josh Bell like arc that I'm going to fall
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: forward again. I know, I am. It's like Charlie Brown
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: with the football.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: At this point. Josh Bell's like forty five years old
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: doing the same thing every day, like I know he's not,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: but that's what it feels like here's Josh Bell signing against.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Aund how long he has stuck around considering his just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: kind of lack of a profile that it's I think
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: he's a great clubhouse guy too, which is really helping
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Bell stick around the league. But the skills are are
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: very hit or miss.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Okay.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Next transaction we have is Glaber tourist second baseman signing
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a one year, fifteen million dollar deal with the Detroit Tigers,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: which I think SAPs all of his fantasy value personally,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: not a great landing spot that you know, a lot
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of what kept Glabor afloat last year, even amongst a
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: really really tough year, you know, he still turned value
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: out for you in a twelve team league, certainly not
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: what you expected. But especially am I second base, it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't take too much to be able to make sure
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that you're actually churning out something positive. And it's two
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: fifty seven average with fifteen homers, eighty runs and sixty
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: three RBI. Just met that threshold. Especially, you know a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: lot of that was buoyed by playing for the New
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: York Yankees, playing in Yankee Stadium. Now moving to the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Tigers with a much weaker offense in a park that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you know, stays in the forty degree range for the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: first month of the season on top of it being
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a super deep park. I have really no interest in
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: labor outside of just like literally, like a last second,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: am I pick a one dollar sort of like situation.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Do you think that there is actually more value in
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: labor tours beyond that? Are you willing to invest anything
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: kind of maybe in the next tier or two up?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: No? Okay, yeah, I mean this, this one's very very simple.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Like I I've never been a really big labor tours guy.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I think he's always had the Yankees tax booing him,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and he just couldn't really seem to put all the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: pieces together unless he had exorbitant luck, which is kind
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of what happens. Like you thought he was gonna run,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but he just ran a little. He thought in power,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: but then it just didn't play. He thought he should
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: score more, but he didn't like it just didn't seem
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to be playing. And then you put him into Detroit, man,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that power's gone. That that power is absolutely gone in
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that ballpark. You know, he he hit the grand old
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: fifteen home runs last last year, and they do on
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: baseball Savant a no doubter percent of the home run.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: So what's the percent of his no doubters? It was
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: six percent. Six percent were no doubters. Everything else was
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: just so, like, well, they do an adjustment, so the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: adjustment should have been seventeen homers and things like that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: The math doesn't quite work work out because he actually
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: should have had a little bit. He had already like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: five homers more than you should have, so they said
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: he should have had like twelve. Like the math is
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: kind of funny and how it works out. The funny
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: thing is, though, if you just go back to what
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: has adjusted, they said he should have had seventeen if
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: he's playing in the kind of neutral across the all
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you know, neutral factors in Yankee Stadium, he had had
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: seven team in uh Detroit, nine.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, that's brutal.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That's brutal. Like you could expect that number. You can
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: expect labor tores to be having single digits home run,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: single digits stolen bases and hoping to get sixty runs
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and sixty RBIs while hitting maybe to forty two fifty.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: That's not valuable at all.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Alright, Well, yeah, I think we're on the same sorry
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: net fancy here. No, you're you're, you're, you're preaching to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the choir here, because I think it's right there too
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: that it's not looking great for labor, and I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it's pretty indicative that this is what he had to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: settle with. It's not like, you know, he could have
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: found somewhere better with a better offensive environment that maybe
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: he wants to win a little bit, but this is
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: all Detroit's going to do in the off season. The
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: momentum is gonna be hard to keep going from the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: season going into twenty five.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean he's still going off to the
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: board his fifteenth second basement, which is which is scary,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Like he's in front of my kil Garcia Jackson, Holiday,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Zach Gayloff, Colt Keith like it's it's it's he's still
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: got the Yankee tax associated with him, that big Marcus.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: So it's good, it's it's definitely interesting and it's very
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: telling the Yankees did not even offer him a contract.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would totally agree. Okay, next transaction that we
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have is the Phillies going out and trading for haz
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: us Lozardo. So they also acquired a minor league catcher
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and sent out one of their top prospects, Starlinkaba for
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Luzardo also sent over another outfield prospect. But Luzardo and
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Cobble are really the big names here, and Hazus Lozardo
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: is coming off of a tough injury marred year in
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: term in terms of you know, put up only sixty
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: six and two thirds and twenty twenty four with a
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: five e haray on the dot even five era with
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a one two five whip eight point three K nine,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and that was certainly a a huge step back from
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: what he put up in twenty twenty three. But I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: do wonder if it was just too many innings on
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: such a fragile guy in twenty twenty three. We'll see
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: how the Phillies use Lozardo going forward. But where is
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: your interest level here? Because I think it is a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: little bit like what we're seeing in Walker, where I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: think the injury history is more significant for Luzardo and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: he's struggled to stay on the mound much more than
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Walker has over his career. But I think certainly similar
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: question marks. But do you see the same sort of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: bounce back for Lozardo or do you see more of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: kind of the same up and down performance just because
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of that barking shoulder.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like your comparison to Bueler because it gives
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: us a good kind of starting point to bounce off of.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: And I think Lozardo's got probably three strikes against and
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the walker doesn't shoulder verse elbo Shoulder to me is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: scarier than elbow, I would say, frequency of issue. Like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like Bueller's like, shame you know, fool me once,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: shame on, Shame on you. Fuel pool me twice. In
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: my case, shame on you again. Uh, fool me three times,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: shame on me. Like, I feel like that's where we're
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: at with Lozardo. It's not been one or two times.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It's been you know, three or four times that that
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we've kind of been through this, and the skills before
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the injuries weren't there long enough or as good, and
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: so Buehler like, if you actually just look at, like
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the the rate stats, you could argue that Lozardo's looked
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: very similar to Buelers, but he was doing it across
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: fifty innings or ninety innings, things like that, and it
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't being sustained as much. And you've kind of started
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: to see the degradation a little bit more for for Lozardo,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm I want to watch him. He's got all
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the potential in the world. He's younger, you know, clear
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the Philly Ce something I'm probably gonna be passing on Lozardo. Uh.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: At most draft wards, I think that the risk is
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: just just too much that you're if you're baking the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: guy to have one hundred innings or ninety or eighty,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: which is I think where you have to put lose
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Zarto despite his team of projections at one hundred and
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: sixty one, you have to look elsewhere for your rotation.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: So maybe I'm a little too negative of lozarda there.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: But my last year's resolution was don't draft injured guys,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and I'm just sticking too injured too many times.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I'm in the same boat here
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: with you. On Lozardo. I've never been a huge fan
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of him because of just that injury history. It's really
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: tough to count on him for much of anything, and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the price is always high on him given where the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: talent came through in twenty twenty three. Also to kind
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: of like prove to people who have been to the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Lozardo camp forever that you know where his ceiling could
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: be and if not beyond that, and so I I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: just can't I can't ever get in on the price
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: of Lizardo. You know, if it was where like Manaia
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: was last year in terms of like being free towards
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the end of drafts, certainly I would end up with
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: much many more shares of him. But there's always seems
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to be a believer to in every draft room that
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: sees that Luzardo, still relatively young, sees the electric fastball,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: and this he's also he looks so great on the mound,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: like the motion looks fluid, and he looks like a
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: star stud pitcher when he's going. But it can fall
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: apart pretty fast. So I think that certainly he's got
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: his uses out there, like if you've got a lot
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of steady production in your first few starting pitching spots.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: But just the way I know that you and I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: draft and maybe even the rassbell ethos in general, in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: terms of staying away from pitching, it doesn't happen very
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: often where it lines up for me to be able
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to bring Lazardo onto a roster.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: YEP, I think that's fair, so we won't be only
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: many shares, and we'll see if the ADP falls suit.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, well we got two more signings in terms
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of some I would say deeper league later round picks,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: but I think these are more indicative of a little
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: bit of like that ethos we're talking about, that these
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: are the type of players you've kind of got to
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: pick up to be able to survive an entire six
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: months fantasy baseball season that goes forever and you're trying
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: to fill holes. We've got two signings, Like I said,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the first is Jack Peterson signing a one year deal
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: in Texas, and so he should line up to be
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: able to be there starting DH as you know, shipping
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: out Nathaniel Lowe help them free up the spot they
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: moved Jake Berger to first base. Peterson should walk in
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: as pretty much the everyday DH and especially strong side,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: but I think he probably will get some looks at lefties,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: just given the way that that Texas Rangers lineup is
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: kind of shaping up right now. The other left signing
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: we have is Andrew McCutchen signing in Pittsburgh again for
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: a one year deal, so coming back there, and I mean,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a permanent deal that McCutchen
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: can come back to Pittsburgh as long as he wants.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But I call him out because, especially like in fifteen
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: team leagues, I'm thinking about you know, we got the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: emails this week for NFBC drafts coming up, which is
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a fifteen team five by five rodo format, and so
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: you know, last year around this time, we were talking
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: about Cutch being a great kind of fifth outfielder, bench piece.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: He turned positive value in fifteen teamers, you know, with
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: last year's production. And Peterson even turned like double digit
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: like teams values with his twenty three homers, two seventy
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: five average, sixty two runs, sixty four rbi, and seven
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: stone bases. Let me look up Cutch's final line because
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: it was also relatively solid two thirty two average, twenty bombs,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: sixty six runs, fifty run, fifty rbi, and three stone bases.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So I was expected a little more speed out of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Cutch last year, but still solid lines. So, uh, I mean,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I think you have to prefer Peterson just given the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: overall power profile here, but uh, maybe you do prefer Cutch.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Was there anything maybe in his profile that you saw
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that would make you prefer him over Jack Peterson going
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: into twenty twenty five or anything else that you have
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: to say about this kind of overall profile of like
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: back end outfielder that can be helpful going into drafts.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm giving cuts the Tommy fam treatment
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: this year or the Nelson Cruise treatment on which one
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: is which is? I like you, but you're getting up
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: there in age, and I'm not quite sure if it's
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: gonna last. Like I think that's where Cuch is at
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: this point. You know, there there's maybe some speed, maybe not.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: There is some power maybe not. There's some average maybe not.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not quite sure what I'm going to get,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: but I don't mean to get enough that if I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: have to plug him in, I'm not gonna be too
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: frustrated about it. But Peterson, on the other hand, like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: if I'm playing my matchups, I'm gonna be relatively happy.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a you know, against the lefties, he's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent below league average. Against the right eas,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: he's twenty five percent above league average. Like and he's uh,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and that actually tends to work against the strong side platoons.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: So you know, you just have to know what you're
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: getting yourself into. So I'd much rather own Jack Peterson here.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I think he's got more upside. I think, you know, clearly,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: being the younger guy, I have more faith that this
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: can continue for a few years. So I'll take Jock
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Peterson probably any day of the week in this conversation.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: But that's nothing against Andrew McCutcheon. I still still think
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: there's value there. I think is that back end. I'm
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: at the end of the draft. I feel like my
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: outfield is going to need some depth. That's a guy
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that I don't have a problem throwing a dollar at
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: or a late draft pick at. And if I have
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to move on, I'm moving on. I'm not I'm not
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: too disappointed at that either, So that to be harsh.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Andrew mccushon is a fantastic player and has been throughout
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: his career, but I think that's kind of slowly starting
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to come to an end. So give me the give
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: me the young guy that likes to likes to mash.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, but I think both of them
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: will be viable, especially in fifteen teamers that yep, both
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: will be pretty free. I think at the draft table,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: especially which you can get out of Jock like that
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: is found money the way that kind of like old
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: man JD. Martinez was that. I mean, Jock's not even
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you know that old it's the scheme.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It's thirty two.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thirty two. This is the type of guy
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: where he could have some sort of magical season a
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: la JD. Martinez or or Nelson Cruz where it all
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: clicks and he hits mid thirties bombs for absolutely free.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a great investment spot. Okay, let's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: get into a little bit of card news before we
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: take a break and come back with that Rickey Henderson PC.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So we have turned the corner here into twenty twenty five.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: We surprisingly haven't seen the twenty twenty five design yet
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: for Top's flagship, but we should be having that relatively
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: soon because honestly, it's got to be rolling out the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: doors to get on shelves in time for usually what's
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like a beginning of the season in release, if not,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you know, late February. So at this point, you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: we're usually we're about six to eight weeks out from
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: where Tops twenty five Series one flagship should be coming out,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: So I would expect really any day that we get
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the news of what that design is going to be.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I just really pray that it's not anything like twenty four,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: because I certainly bought a lot less than twenty four
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: just because I was not a huge fan of the design.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: We'll see which direction that goes in twenty five. But
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: major major news, Barry Bonds is coming back to tops
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of signing autographs. So he's been out of
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the game for a long time. I want to say
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the last time he was signing autographs it was usually
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: through Upper Deck products more than anything else, and it
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: really kind of stopped around the time of his reign
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of terror, when he was just mashing seventy homers a
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: year in terms of like the early two thousands, and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: hasn't been included since obviously with all of what surrounds
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Berry Bonds. And then he's also kind of I'm a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: mercucial person at the same time with just kind of
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a prickly personality slash trying to guard himself against what
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: is out there in the general public. So I think
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: it's exciting to get Barry Bonds back into the twenty
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: twenty five sets certainly gonna nose dive any of the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: value of the cards that people had hung onto because
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the Barry Bonds autos were hot commodities in the market
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: just because he wasn't actively signing new cards. So Brew,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Barry Bonds returning to the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: autograph game and going to be having autos in twenty
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: twenty five products.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is gonna be really interesting because
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: you know, Bonds for you know, all the talk of
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the steroids and you know the records they count and
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: things like that. From a card collecting perspective, he's a
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: rarity because he doesn't have those autos out there. He
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: hasn't been a lot of sets. He hasn't been you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: he hasn't been the King Griffy Junior kind of road
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: show that it seems like there's those out there everywhere.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be there's gonna be a
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: quite a bit of a chase after some of these
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: cards that Barry Bonds signs. I think it's great for
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the hobby to see him coming back, and I think
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: he's actually you know, trying to come out a little
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: bit more from the shell and actually get a little
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: bit more into the collecting from a few things I've seen.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So I think it's exciting. I think it was pretty
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: big news that didn't get the notoriety that deserved. But
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I think it'll be fun to see Barry Bonds back
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: signing Tops cards. And I think they're they're gonna be
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: a hot commodity, Hotter than some people think.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it'll be really fascinating to see
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: it just on a lot of the premium cards that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: there were shades of it back in the early two thousands,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: but certainly not what it's developed into in terms of
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: like Tops, Dynasty Tops, Transcendent, some of the bat knobs
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: and like Tier one and things like that that I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: think we're gonna see a lot of really cool Barry
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Bond's cards start coming out and hitting the market that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like we've been missing out on over the past decade
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: or two. So I think that's gonna be fun just
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: to see what comes out of the archives in terms
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of memorabilia and patches and whatever else they've got for
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Prairie Bonds. And it does look like he's signing both
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: like Pirates based and Giants based stuff, so it'll be
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: great for both of those kind of PC collections to
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: round it out, to get extra Pirates, Berry Bonds autos
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: in there, which probably are really limited, if not like
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: don't exist at all because of just the way card
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: collecting Peaked Post is signing with the Giants. So yeah,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be great watching the market on
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: these cards, and I think it gonna be a huge
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: selling point of just the twenty twenty five sets in general,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: because it sounds like not only will it be in
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Flagship but also Pepper throughout all sorts of other products.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: So once you signed that contract with Tops to be
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: able to like have them use your name, image, likeness
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you can be included in lots
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and lots of products.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great for the hot it's great. There's not
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: a gimmick. It's just just true baseball on baseball cards.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: But does mean we're probably getting is Bowman first, right,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Oh God, there goes the gimmick. It's it's here.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, already thought. Okay, just a couple of quick tweaks
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to the release calendar coming up, so we still do
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: have on one three here twenty twenty four Tops Luminaries
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: coming out one eight, twenty twenty four, Tops Archives one fifteen,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Bowman's Best got pushed back. It was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: supposed to come out last week, didn't make out the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: doors before the holidays, so it will be out in
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. And then we've still got Black
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and White on the TBD schedule and Definitive on the
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: TBD schedule as well as there's a couple of other
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like major products like I Believe, like Dynasty and Transcendent
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: where and Diamond Icons are all kind of like floating
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: in space where they keep popping on and off of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the schedule. So certainly some of those high end products
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: are still rolling out for TOPS and should be hitting
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: shelves here in Q one. So with that, we we
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: are going to take a short break, but then we'll
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: be back with a Ricky Henderson PC discussion. Stick around,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: all right, Welcome back, everybody. We are gonna get into
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: our Ricky Henderson PC discussion. So we're gonna keep it
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: pretty brief here in terms of just a little six
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: pack PC going between us back and forth three cards apiece,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: because Ricky Henderson certainly spanned not only like a large
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: swatha baseball in general with his twenty five years and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: nine teams, but also went across the entire junk wax
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: era that we call it from the eighties and nineties.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So in terms of players out there with like the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: most cards, I think Ricky Henderson has probably got to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: be up there in terms of most unique cards. I'm
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: looking at TCDB, which we use a lot trading card database,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and on his profile page fourteen seven hundred and thirty
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: five unique cards that are kind of counted in here.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: And so this is pre thorough covers a lot of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: like minor league cards as well as like Hostess and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: other different brands of food that might have had, you know,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: little card runs throughout the eighties and nineties. And certainly
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson has remained a very popular player because, like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I said at the beginning part of this show, he
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit before our time, but became
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: of our time because we got to appreciate late career
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson. And so I think that our PC will
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: reflect that as well. That looking through the lens of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the PC cards that we pick, the personal part of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that PC, I think is a big portion of it,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and I think that's also the reason that we go
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: that direction is because that's what we want to each
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: other people to do, is you know, find a personal
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: connection to the cards that you're collecting, where you can
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: tell a story of you know, your relationship to baseball
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: or some sort of piece of history where I think
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: it adds an extra layer of just sentimental value to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: yourself as maybe and to others out there. So I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: think we've got a great six pack of cards here
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: for Ricky Henderson. And I think was there anything what
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you were looking for in cards that you picked threw
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: that you really wanted to like capture the essence of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson? Like what sort of hallmarks are you maybe
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: looking for in a Ricky Henderson card for consideration before
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: you distilled those fourteen thousand dollars fourteen thousand cards down
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: into your three picks.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wanted to commemorate, like true Ricky,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going for. Like what what when
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I think of Ricky? What do I think of, whether
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: it's the image, whether it's the card, whether you know,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: it's just something about the uniqueness of Ricky and where
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: it came from. Like that's what I was I was
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: looking for. This wasn't about finding the most expensive card.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: May have done that, but it was about finding something
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: unique the way Ricky was a unique guy, and that's
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: really what I was after. So I think there's a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: to your point, there's a lot of choices here. Was
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: not easy to narrow it down, but I think there's
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of good, good options out there. How about you,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: is there anything specific that you wanted to cover all
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: nine teams or what were you trying to.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Do that would be fun. I think you can cover
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: all nine teams. I didn't exactly like tally it up,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure, and especially given where we've gone
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in today's environment, where like I mean, Ken Griffy Junior
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: seeing lots of like white Sox cards printed and you'll
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: see like Blue Jays, Frank Thomas that Ricky Henderson, I'm
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: sure has had a card printed with every one of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: his jerseys on, which is really cool. But I think
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: what I was really going for in some of my
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: picks was not only to you know, call out that
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: personal kind of story within each pick, but also to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: try to reflect the physicality of like Ricky Henderson that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: when we were going through a lot of his stats
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and just his longevity and his ability to accrue lots
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of those numbers. He did it while stealing just massive
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: quantities of faces, which takes an absolute grind on your
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: body because you know, in the days that he was playing,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: there wasn't the three pickoff rule where you know you
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: could go. It was a bock onto the third pickoff
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: move over that you know, there was several times that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he had to endure double digit pickoff moves
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: and diving back into the base getting slapped with that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: first baseman's glove. That when I was reading that book
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: by Howard Bryant, a lot of like what came through
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: is because honestly, Ricky Henderson has built a lot more
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: like Bo Jackson than I think he got credit for
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: that he was a running back first as his first passion.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: That it allowed him to be able to withstand the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: punishment of all those stolen bases and playing twenty five years.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: So I tried to pick some cards. I thought reflect
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: did that. So with all that in mind, I'm going
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to pass over to you for the first pick that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: we're going to do in this Rickey Henderson, PC, what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: do you got? Yeah?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you have to start this out
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: with the Ricky Henderson card, which is his nineteen eighty
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: tops Ricky card number four eighty two. It's got the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: classic Ricky Henderson kind of crouched batting stance, and through
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: his whole career he kind of kept that same stance.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And when you look at that nineteen eighty set, it
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: is the card, and I'd say there's not a number
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: two behind it. Like if you find a set of those,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I've recently did myself and dug through, like that's the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: one thing you're looking for, is that is Ricky there
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: and being from that nineteen eighty sets like those are
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: pretty hard to find in good condition, and so they
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: can be really sought after generally like a thirty five
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: forty dollars, you know, raw card, but you could be
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: talking in hundreds and maybe even thousands if you're getting
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: like really really quality graded cards of the Rookie for
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Rooky Henderson. So going very simple, and hey, that Adide
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: design actually was pretty pretty good. And so you have
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: to start there with Rookie with with the the Rookie card.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: If you can't have a PC of Rookie without.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: It, Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I think a couple
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: of the other hallmarks I like about this card they're
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: like very uniquely Rocky are One you get a good
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: sense of his batting stance where he just had that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: minuscule strike zone that allowed him to generate all those
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: walks that like just turned him into such a great player.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: And Two the back of the back of the card,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the stats don't have stolen bases, which is like what
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Ricky like defined, you know, in his entire career that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of like I think what he went up
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: against in his career where you know he would hold
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: out and and try to get more money and make
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: sure that he was fairly compensated, was that the game
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: paid sluggers in the eighties, you know, Dave Winfield, Eddie Murray,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: these types of players, I mean, eventually Andre Dawson, guys
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: who hit homers and put up RBI are the ones
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that got paid. And no one I think appreciated Ricky
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Henderson's speed and lead off abilities in his time. It's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: missing walks too, which tells a lot of Ricky's story
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: where you can kind of figure out that obp that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of funny where Honestly, those three categories stone, bases, walks,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: obp are pretty much standards of flagship cards nowadays, and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that has to do with Ricky.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, because you can't tell
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: the story of Ricky without with the speed, without the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: on base, without the walks. So yeah, it's a fantastic
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: card I have to have in the PC. So how
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: about you, what's the first one that you're gonna throw
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: into the PC.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in terms of honoring and remembering the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: lengthy twenty five year career that Ricky had, you had
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: to also go back and now add the last flagship
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: card that he ever had, which is actually the last
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: flagship card he has, was two thousand and four Upper
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Deck number one eighty eight with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: It's a great photo of him kind of taking a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: leadoff where I think he's actually like caught in between,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: which kind of also shows the age of Ricky in
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: this card. But also how did they fit every year
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: on the back of this card Statistically, I don't know how,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but Upper Deck managed to do it. So you get
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: all of the statistics of Ricky in this last card.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: From two thousand and four Upper Deck not a really great,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: well known set, but this might be the cheapest card
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: we ever put into any of our PCs that I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: figured you had to go. If you're going to start
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: with the first flagship, I'll take the last flagship. He
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have a two thousand and four TOPS card. His
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: last TOPS card was in two thousand and three, So
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: we have to go to upper deck. If we want
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Ricky in a Dodgers series, he here, And.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: I think what's cool about this is your point, like,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: how do they fit all the stats? First of all
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: from seventy nine to three, which is just insane to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: think about playing for different decades, But it is his
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: true career, entire stat line, and so you have the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: stat line that Ricky Henderson retired with on this card,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: and so I think it's cool to just have that.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: As you know, a young collector, I always love reading
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: the stats in the back of the card. Stolen bases
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: are on this Walks is not, but it's great to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: be able to see just kind of the summerization of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: his entire career on one card. And it does look
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: like they had to change the fond I need to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: go find somebody else from the set to see what
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: the true font is on this. But he definitely stretched
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: the margins for.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yes, exactly. Gonna need like a magnifying glass to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: be able to look and see some of these totals
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: in some of the especially the trade years too, where
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: you get the slashes and they're trying to jam everything
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: The median price on TCDB is eighteen cents, yes exactly. Now,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you can actually buy rating cents,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: but basically mean somebody will give it to you if
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: you ask.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna pay more for the stamp to get
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: it to you than the card itself.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: No kidding.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's your second pick and third overall for our
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Ricky PC.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're gonna we're gonna stick to the bookings here.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: And actually I'm gonna go go back for a second
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to his rookie card. And I didn't want to call
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: it out them, but I'm gonna call it now. There's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: only one reference to stolen bases on Ricky Henderson's rookie
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: card in the nineteen eighty They always had like a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: little call out of some achievement or something he did,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: and an upper left fan corner says Ricky had seven
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: stolen bases in one game at Modesto in May of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. So we're going to Ricky Henderson's first card,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: first cards that exist. It is the nineteen seventy seven
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Desto A's Team set put out by Chong, and there
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: are very few of these cards out there. It is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: black and white. It is Ricky still got the little
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: stance going. It looks like he's holding a wolfotball bat.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: To be honest, it does not look like he's holding
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: an actual baseball bat in this card. It's like I said,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: it's black and white, so it's kind of hard hard
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: to tell, but maybe it's a fun go but it
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: looks like a wofftball bat. And then the other fun
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: parts about this his name is miss spelled on this card.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: It's Ricky without the E. And the actual there was
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: correct versions that came out later, but in the actual release,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: and this one has been reprinted many, many times. If
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: you're gonna look to go get this, you got to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: make sure you're getting the actual card because they reprinted
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: it quite often. But this is a very hard card
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: to find. The most recent one I could find this
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: sold on eBay at bids was forty six hundred dollars,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: so not the for the cheap like we just talked
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: about for the last card. There's quite the quite the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: difference there. But I just thought this was a really
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: unique card, something that if you if you want to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: have that true Ricky PC, you gotta have the rookie.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta have a first card, you gotta have his
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: last card, you gotta have that bookend to that career.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: And there's just so many unique things about this because
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: at the time, Ricky wasn't Ricky. Ricky was just a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: guy trying to find a job, trying to make it happen,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: trying to make the big leads. He was important enough
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: to even get the name spelled right. So it's it's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: it's just it's the great thing about card collecting is
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you know you pick this up when you went to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: a minor league game, and you kept it in your
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: collection for all those years, probably forgot about it until
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you just opened up. It's like, Hey, I got a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Ricky Henderson card. That's kind of funny. So I love
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: adding this the PC.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like the most basic card ever too.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Because there's no back to it and it's all washed
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: out in the front. That it just shows how far
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: baseball card technology has come, especially for minor league cards
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: and kind of like offshoot cards that it's much easier
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: to produce compared to Honestly, it looks like somebody just
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: like printed this like themselves and like got them so there,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: it's very basic. I love it. It's also like the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Ricky does not look that different from nineteen seventy seven
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: to that car does four, which shows how great of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: shape he stayed in that entire career, that like he
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: was a supreme athlete and just like took care of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: his body. That it's a testament to Ricky himself.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's that's it's uncanny. He looks the same
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: same he was when he was eighteen that he was
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: when he was forty five. All right, where'd you go
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: with your second card?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So here's one where yeah, certainly getting into the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: personal story because I am picking nineteen ninety four Collector's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Choice number one thirty one Ricky Henderson on the Toronto
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays. So it's a great card of Ricky's stealing
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: a base and diving into it looks like second, I think,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: but could be third. Uh, he's at home in the SkyDome.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: His jersey's already all dirty, like he's been diving all game.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: You gotta remember, like how often this dude was also
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: playing on turf between Toronto and Minnesota and Houston. You
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: know the old astro down that not only was he
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: out there diving all over the place, he was doing
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: on turf a lot, which is insane to think about.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: You can also see on the back of the card
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Ricky's crouch is getting lower and lower as he's getting
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: into a stance to unload on a ball. Nineteen ninety three,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: he was traded from the A's to the J's won
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: that nineteen ninety three World Series for the second straight
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: with Toronto, or Toronto's second straight Ricky's second World Series
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: of his career. But the personal angle here is one
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: ninety four Collector's choice is super duper underrated. That essentially
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: it's like a recast of ninety three Upper Deck in
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: terms of the pictures on the front and the pictures
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: on the back both being really great. And then nineteen
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: ninety three is really like the first year that I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: got into baseball. Personally, I really vividly remember the Marlins
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: and the Rockies being their inaugural season. It's the first
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: year that I went to a baseball game. It was
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: actually like a it was a rainout between the Cubs
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: and the Rockies at Wrigley Field. And I also vividly
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: remember the nineteen ninety three World Series with Joe Carter
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: hitting that walk off bomb. But I also remember, like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: this is probably my first introduction to Ricky, Like in
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: the ninety three season, I was. I remember when I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: was following it along. I was certainly into Griffy, I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: was into Sammy Sosa and Ozzie Smith, but Ricky wasn't
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: totally on my radar because at that point he was
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: what like thiry three I believe he was born. But yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: so he was, you know, further along in his career overall,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, had already put up fifteen seasons at
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: that point, so you know, when he was moved at
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: the deadline, it was a huge deal that I remember
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: him moving over to Toronto, and it really just kind
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of opened my eyes too. Ricky was so that's what
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: this nineteen ninety four Collector's Choice card kind of all
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: harkens back to I went with a silver signature edition
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: because these Collector's Choice cards had the silver and gold
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: signatures on them, which were great. You could go out
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and get the base card of this again, probably for
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: like fifteen cents. It's a ubiquitous set, but one of
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite sets and one of my favorite all time
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Ricky cards.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's not easy to say that you four x
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: your prior card value until stay it under a dollar,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: But good job. I'm proud of you. But yeah, I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: go right back to like that. That's the time I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: was getting into the game in the cards. I remember
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the Blue Juice series like it was just as yesterday.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a great, great callback to when
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: we were both growing up and just starting to get
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: into the game.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And probably honestly just met each other.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably Drue. Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Anothering I just realized too, is the batting gloves that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Ricky's wearing in both the front and back of this
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: card are still as oakland A's batting gloves, which also
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: is kind of a cool twist. You can see the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: green and gold as opposed to the blue, so it's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a it's just funny and stands out.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Ricky takes no prisoners. And you know there's no photoshop
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: in ninety four collector's.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Choice, especially on batting gloves. That's naked photo shop and
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: airbrush like hats, but just barely. Okay, I'm gonna pass
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: it back over to you for your final pick for
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: our six pack PC here.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: All right, So the last one is about the image.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: It's not about the card, and it's if there's an
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: iconic Ricky image, this is it. I'm going with the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty Stadium Club chrome with Avery fractor number three
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: ninety nine from that set. You can go with a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: number of different refractors or whatever. It doesn't doesn't matter.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: This is an image of Ricky with the a's holding up.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I believe it is second base after you tol in it,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: that's third yeah, okay, you're right just down the line there.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: And so it's one of those iconic images of him
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: breaking a record with his stolen bases. I should have
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: looked up which record it was. I'm guessing it was
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: his one hundredth or that he stole or something like that.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: But this is when he passed lou Brock.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Was when he passed Brock.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then I'm the greatest speech. Yes, immediately, yes,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and so it's just to me one of the most
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: iconic images of Ricky Henderson. And you know, Stadium Club
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: be one of our favorite sets for them to grab this,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: make sure it's on a card. I do struggle with
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: older players on newer cards, you know that, But it
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. This card is just unbelievable, looks great, and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's very very collectible as a result this
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: this wave refractors I have will have linked in the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: show notes. The ps A ten listened on eBay for
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: four seventy five. I'm sure you can get it for
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit less, but still that's that's the collectibility
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of that image and it is just if you think
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: of Ricky, that is probably one of those moments that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: you think of. So I had to add to the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: PC out of the Rookie, out of the first prints
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: that we're just going to go for just a cool
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Rocky card. Yeah, I mean, this is an icon of card,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: and I mean we pick from twenty twenty Stadium Club
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Chrome a lot, but like this is a card where
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: it stands out in the entire set because it's just
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: such a banger. Of a card with this image, and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: then the waiver refractors are super duper short printed. They're
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: not numbered, but they're like roughly of twelve, so there
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: are not many of them out there. And I mean
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the picture doesn't do this justice because I have a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: couple of the waiver fractors from this set and they
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: are some of the most gorgeous cards you'll ever see. So, yeah,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with the twenty twenty Stadium Club
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Chrome set. And the Ricky card is is right up
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: that avenue.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so hey, out of this to the set, you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: can get the base out there too. It's still a
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: pretty awesome card, all right.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Well, my last pick is it's kind of serendipitous that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: this came out so late in the release of twenty
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: twenty four now that that Ricky has passed the twenty
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: twenty four TOPS Chrome update. And we've covered this a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: little bit when we did the set overview when it
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: came out, we were especially focused on all the Paul
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Skemes cards within that set, but one of the highlights
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: was that Ricky Henderson was signing TOPS Chrome based design
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: autographs for the first time in twenty twenty four. That
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: he had never done that before, and Ricky was not
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: somebody who is out there signing quite as often as
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: like other Hall of famers, that he was much more
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: protective of his signature and just making sure that he
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: was compensated correctly for using his name, image and likeness.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: And like, I think he had a fair point that
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: there's lots of players who, like just our institutions around
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: baseball players that latch on and make money off of
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: them to be able to kind of like ride their coattails,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and I think Ricky was very aware of that and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: just didn't sign very much stuff. So, especially thinking about
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: the Barry Bonds signature is coming into the twenty twenty
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: five sets, it's really fantastic that we got some of
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: these Ricky Henderson signed Tops Chrome designed cards from twenty
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: twenty four sadly going to be the only ones that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: we end up having of him on a base tops
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: chrome design, So these things are only going to go
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: up in value. The base was of fifty and then
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: it had parallels going from there. But I think if
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: you're looking to put together a Ricky PC, this is
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: gonna obviously run you probably like four to five hundred
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: bucks just based on how rare it is and what
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the one I found. Actually it's only three hundred right now,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: so it's a steal if you have it. This comes
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: in a green as well, and that's where you should
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: You should pone up, pony up and try to find
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: it because it looks it would look especially great it
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: pop with the athletics, you know, logo and the design
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, even though I hated it overall,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: it looks pretty good here with the chrome and the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: auto that you've got to go out and get it
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: because of just what it meant to actually card collecting
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: in general and rounding out Ricky's life and career. That
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the last issued
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: autographed cards that he has out there. That I wouldn't
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: be surprised if he's got stuff in twenty twenty five,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: but especially anything on card, it's not gonna happen anymore, sadly,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: So I had to put this card in the PC
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: and that will wrap us up for this six pack here.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: But what do you think about this card? Brew that like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it real heavily in detail from
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: our tops Chrome update overview. But are you hoping that
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: we see more cards kind of like this in this
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: vein And you know, what do you think about this
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Ricky card? Kind of in the pantheon of everything what
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: else we got?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think this is a great ad
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: the fact that he doesn't sign a whole lot. And
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's also as you look at a lot
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: of those kind of Hall of Fame signatures, there's very
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: few on card ones that you see, and this Ricky
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: is an on card auto unless I can't quite see
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: the outline of the sticker, but I'm pretty sure it's
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: on card auto, and that is not something we see
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: as much we see signings, Like I said, the stickers
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: and they just using it throughout products and things like that.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I think they did a great job of making these
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: on card using to your point that the design this
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: year and the refractor of that to make it really pop.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: So I think these are great cards. It is disappointing.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of hoping maybe they did get Slipperricky a
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: few of those sheets of stickers at some point so
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: that maybe we can see some down the road. But
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: wonderful signature from Ricky. And again, any card of Ricky
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: with him running is what you want to see. So
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: I think this is a great pick, great way to
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  Speaker 2: round out our PC additions for Ricky Henderson. Ricky will
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  Speaker 2: be missed. So much about him is what makes us
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  Speaker 2: love baseball, especially those of us that love kind of
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  Speaker 2: the vintage game, the small ball, those kind of things.
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  Speaker 2: Ricky he loved the game, and Ricky did so many
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  Speaker 2: things for the game. So sad to see him gone
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  Speaker 2: too soon. But hey, there's probably not many better players
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  Speaker 2: out there, and definitely no better leadoff hitters in you know,
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  Speaker 2: our generation or even those before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, And it's really sad that he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, passed so soon. And it is going to
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  Speaker 1: be kind of an honor to talk about being able
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  Speaker 1: to have seen him play at all, even though you know,
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  Speaker 1: you and I saw maybe more of the back half
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  Speaker 1: of his career and didn't see the excellence of the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: But like, he was still such a legend and I
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  Speaker 1: think will go down as just an all time or
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  Speaker 1: for all time because a lot of those records are
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be touched in terms of like when people
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  Speaker 1: look at the record books of baseball in one hundred
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  Speaker 1: years or so, it's going to become like mythical, how
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  Speaker 1: many stolen bases he has, the way that Cy Young's
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  Speaker 1: wins mark just is untouchable. That Ricky put himself into
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  Speaker 1: that upper echelon of baseball where it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be in etched into the monoliths of
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  Speaker 1: statistical records for all time. And that's just so amazing,
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  Speaker 1: especially given who he was, and you know where he
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  Speaker 1: came from in Oakland and played for Oakland and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of wore that on his sleeve, that, yeah, rest
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  Speaker 1: in peace, Rickey will make you miss you, Bud.
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  Speaker 2: And one more thing, I bought this card. It has
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  Speaker 2: War on the back, which is great to see one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eleven War nineteenth all time. Yes, that's how
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  Speaker 2: good he was, and that's how long of a career
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  Speaker 2: he had. Fantastic to see so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that classic kind of Bill James line that
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  Speaker 1: if you split him into he's still a Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 1: or if you even just peel off the stolen bases
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  Speaker 1: from Ricky's profile, still a Hall of famer, that like
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  Speaker 1: he is just that much of an inner circle guy
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  Speaker 1: that like it's like it's down to like you know,
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  Speaker 1: Ruth and May's and Aaron and some of these other
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  Speaker 1: players that just put up gigantic, unfathomable numbers. Ricky's right
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  Speaker 1: there that it's not somebody who I think anybody's ever
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  Speaker 1: going to touch statistically of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about Ricky and the guys around him
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  Speaker 2: in the all time, it's Mickey Mantle, It's lou Gerrigg,
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  Speaker 2: it's Frank Robinson, it's Ted Williams. It is those kind
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  Speaker 2: of guys. That's the company we're talking about. And Ricky
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  Speaker 2: did that kind of in a time that there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: guys putting up those numbers doing those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: Huad and shoulders above, Hudd and shoulders above.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Robbed with just the one MVP as well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we've made that point at all, but
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  Speaker 1: he definitely should have won like four or five MVPs
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  Speaker 1: in his career if they had been voting correctly, especially
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: in the eighties where, yeah, the New York media did
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: not like McK anderson very well and really kind of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: tainted a lot of all of our views of him.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's been great to see Ricky's kind of
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  Speaker 1: image come back from where it was in the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, get to the point where we're here
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  Speaker 1: now just kind of can't stop speaking great things about him.
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  Speaker 1: But let's wrap it up for this week, our first
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  Speaker 1: pot at twenty twenty five. We've got lots of great
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: stuff coming over the next few weeks in terms of previews,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: getting you ready for the season and all the drafts.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I got to start playing mine out
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: as a commissioner and making sure that if you are
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: out there getting into drafts now, certainly sign up for
• 1:27:49
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• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: terms of draft rooms, and honestly just about day by
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: day a little bit more week by week here in
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: early January, where we get more and more tools coming out,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: we'll get the engine driveed up. Brew. When is your
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: first top one hundred coming out? Do you know roughly.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: First top one hundred. We'll do a slow rolls usually
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: what we'll do kind of about that last four to
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: five weeks before the season. I gotta voice step on
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Grace toes By for that one. But we'll jump through
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: some early prospect hitter profiles. We'll look at the phase,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: we'll look at the guys that we're expecting to break out,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: and then we're going to go through about about four
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: weeks probably here in probably late February through early March,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: rolling out that top one hundred, and then we'll do
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: one fail swoop like the week before the season with
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: a finalized list of all the spring training happenings, everything
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: that's changed with that top one hundred. So those will
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: be coming out here over the next few months on
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: ras ball and we'll we'll hope you join us to interact.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and where can people reach you on social media
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: if they want any sort of fantasy advice in the meantime.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, find me j Brewer one seven on Twitter, slash
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• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find me on blue sky at n
• 1:29:12
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• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I don't ever post there, but if you want to
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: get a better and quicker reaction form me, certainly hit
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: me up on blue Sky and we waiver wires won't
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: be hitting until that first week of the season, but
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, I think we're gonna have lots of
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: great nuggets as we get into preview season here looking
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: at each team looking at who we might be picking up,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: dissecting all the rest of the transactions that are coming out,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: and giving little nuggets of draft preparation and strategy throughout
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the season. So you can contact the podcast itself at
• 1:29:50
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• 1:29:55
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• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: can check out all the show not that we have
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: here for any of the links that we've discussed, as
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: well as pictures of those Ricky cards that we've talked
• 1:30:07
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• 1:30:11
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• 1:30:14
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• 1:30:17
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• 1:30:21
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• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: And like I said, we're going to be recording every
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: week here going into the twenty twenty five season kickoff,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to it. It's going to be,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: I think, a great season that we've got set up
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: so far, Lots of great contenders, lots of great transactions,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: and we will be back again, same time, same place
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: next week to talk about them with you. Then see
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: ya