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One Piece, 766 & 767 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This is spoil Me, covering one piece episodes seven sixty
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  Speaker 2: six and seven sixty seven, Lufi's decision, Soanji on the
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  Speaker 2: brink of quitting, and a volatile situation the dog and
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  Speaker 2: the Cat and the Samurai. In these episodes, it turns
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  Speaker 2: out they were harboring a samurai the whole time. I
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  Speaker 2: love this. I never ever guessed that he was really there,
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  Speaker 2: that they were really there. I'm not even sure if
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  Speaker 2: we know if it's a woman or a man.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, thumbs up.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I
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  Speaker 2: am Natasha. Thank you very much to Florin for commissioning
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  Speaker 2: this episode, and Florine and Sarah Im are here in
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  Speaker 2: the chat to join me today. Appreciate you guys being
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  Speaker 2: here so.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: I really was caught off guard by this and delighted
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  Speaker 2: by it also. I just look, it's I am not
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  Speaker 2: somebody that is going to keep the location of a
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  Speaker 2: person secret when you torture me. Okay, I am so
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  Speaker 2: so sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I am not your girl. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I am going to tell them what they want to
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  Speaker 2: know as soon as they get out and implement. I really,
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  Speaker 2: I've just got no tolerance and torturing me would be
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  Speaker 2: such a waste of time because I will have told
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  Speaker 2: you everything before you do a damn thing to me.
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  Speaker 3: I just you know, and maybe you know who knows.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if I were put in a real situation where
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  Speaker 2: it was like Rashan and I felt like she were
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  Speaker 2: really in danger and I couldn't tell because these people
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  Speaker 2: were gonna go after her and the stakes felt like real,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I.
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  Speaker 3: Could hold out.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I would be you know, But I've really got
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  Speaker 2: to say that from out here where I'm sitting, it feels.
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  Speaker 1: To me like.
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  Speaker 2: I I would do exactly what I am telling you,
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  Speaker 2: and the idea Dogstorm lost a whole leg.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't be me.
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  Speaker 2: Kids, Absolutely not. Like it's the sort of thing where
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what these people wanted the samurai for
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  Speaker 2: what they were going to do to him. My assumption
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  Speaker 2: is they were gonna kill him. Feels pretty safe to say,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know why. What it is that he
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, that he did that they
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  Speaker 2: were trying to get it him for. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they know either, but it seems like they consider
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  Speaker 2: him enough of a friend that This is my question
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  Speaker 2: is like when they say friend versus when I say friend,
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  Speaker 2: are they saying friend in the way that Loofy says friend.
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  Speaker 2: Looviy counts like everybody as his friend, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: long as we like fought on the same side at all,
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  Speaker 2: even sometimes if we didn't. So a part of me
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  Speaker 2: is sort of I like, I would like to be
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  Speaker 2: that way, but I'm just not. There're gonna be some
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  Speaker 2: people that I would throw down my life for and
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  Speaker 2: there are people that I just wouldn't. And Looviy it's
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  Speaker 2: like not a question, but it's also sort of Lovie
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  Speaker 2: takes it for granted that he's not gonna die, We're
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  Speaker 2: given whatever situation. It is not seen by him almost
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  Speaker 2: ever as him laying down his life because he just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't believe he will lose. And that is sort of
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  Speaker 2: where the disconnect is for me a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Florien says, we thought about doing this as a boy.
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  Speaker 2: Your Yeah, I could see why, and I definitely like
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  Speaker 2: had a reaction. I was watching it this morning on
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  Speaker 2: my couch with my dogs and I but it was
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  Speaker 2: like a huge reaction. I just went, oh, that's rad,
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  Speaker 2: and that was pretty much it, so you didn't miss
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but I could see why you were thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Katiber lost a hand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I keep forgetting that because it's all
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  Speaker 2: bound up. I keep thinking that his hand is in there,
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  Speaker 2: but it's been mentioned that it's gone. So yeah, Saraphim says,
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  Speaker 2: you give Lufia a slice of bacon, he will topple
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  Speaker 2: entire governments for you. Bacon's really fucking good, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I could see it. So all right, let us begin.
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  Speaker 2: I have to mention to you guys, this show has
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  Speaker 2: the intro that it always does, and then it has
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  Speaker 2: now this like new interstitial not interstitial thing, but sort
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  Speaker 2: of like opening bit where it's introducing each of the
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  Speaker 2: characters individually with like a little action shot of them,
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  Speaker 2: and it's along with giving us the background on who
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  Speaker 2: Loofy is and finding the one piece and the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: and it is. It's gotten to the point now where
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  Speaker 2: the actual like new episode isn't starting until almost six
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  Speaker 2: minutes in sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they're also making the theme songs longer,
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  Speaker 2: but that could just be my imagination. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I skip the intro most of the time, like with
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  Speaker 2: the previous arc. I would often if I was doing
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  Speaker 2: three episodes in a row, I'd listen to the intro
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  Speaker 2: music for the first episode, and then I would skip
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  Speaker 2: the intro after that. But I try not to watch
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  Speaker 2: the intro just because a lot of times it has
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  Speaker 2: spoilers in it, and in the like when when the
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  Speaker 2: theme song ends, a lot of times it will just
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  Speaker 2: do the sort of you know, monkey de loofy. But
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  Speaker 2: here it's a whole thing that it didn't used to be.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm getting a little frustrated with how much I'm
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  Speaker 2: fast forwarding through. But anyway, so we are finding out
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  Speaker 2: that Sanji's family is apparently like all Assassins, which I
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  Speaker 2: am super curious about all of this, You guys, I
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  Speaker 2: cannot wait to find out what the hell is going
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  Speaker 2: on here? You know, it's.
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  Speaker 3: We know that.
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  Speaker 2: He learned how to cook, like he interesting cooking already.
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  Speaker 2: We saw on that other ship and they were basically
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  Speaker 2: making fun of the fact that he cared so much
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  Speaker 2: because it was just like, get the food on the
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  Speaker 2: plates and shut up. But he wanted to make gourmet.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that he got taught how to fight
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  Speaker 2: the way that he does by his later mentor helped
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  Speaker 2: me out with his name guys I've forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he knew anything about fighting before that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe not Zeh, thank you Sarah him
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  Speaker 2: and all. Like what I'm wondering is, were they saying
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  Speaker 2: to him, You've got to learn to be an assassin
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  Speaker 2: and he was like, but I just want to cook
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  Speaker 2: and they basically told him tough. Or did something happen
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  Speaker 2: where he had to like escape because he was in
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  Speaker 2: or somebody sent him away. There's just like, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of potential directions that this could go in, and
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  Speaker 2: there are times where I feel like, you know, something
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  Speaker 2: feels like it maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Has been retconned a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And then there are times where it seems pretty clear
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  Speaker 2: Oda has known from the beginning what's going on and
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  Speaker 2: what he wanted to do for me. This is hitting
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  Speaker 2: as something that he has known the whole time that
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  Speaker 2: he intended to do, And again, I really can't help
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  Speaker 2: but respect it. You know, it's it is frankly, absolutely
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  Speaker 2: fucking insane how long it takes to get to this
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  Speaker 2: part of the story though, and that that's the part
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  Speaker 2: that I am really curious about, is like how what's
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  Speaker 2: the word I want here? Not exactly did you decide
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  Speaker 2: to wait this long? Because I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: it's a decision or if it's like the opportunity just
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  Speaker 2: hadn't presented itself and it wasn't urgent, or did he
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  Speaker 2: have a plan the whole time on exactly when he
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  Speaker 2: was going to drop this, or you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's because the way that Oda is telling a
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  Speaker 2: story in this show is so incredibly different than any
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  Speaker 2: other author that I have encountered. Not to say he's
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  Speaker 2: different than any other author period, because I know that
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  Speaker 2: there are other manga authors and other people who have
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  Speaker 2: been doing this sort of thing, and I get that,
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  Speaker 2: but I personally, this is my first.
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  Speaker 3: Other than uh, what do you call it?
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  Speaker 2: Full Metal Alchemist's Brotherhood? This is my first manga based anime.
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  Speaker 2: Are there animes that aren't based on mangas guys? I
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  Speaker 2: have to assume there are, but uh yeah, just sort
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  Speaker 2: of anyway. I can't imagine having this kind of restraint.
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  Speaker 2: I genuinely, how do you play the game this long
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  Speaker 2: and and like.
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  Speaker 3: Not lose your mind?
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  Speaker 2: How do you tell any story and take as long
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  Speaker 2: as he does to get to the beats. I this
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  Speaker 2: is not a criticism. It's just such a long game.
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  Speaker 2: And there are other stories out there that take books
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  Speaker 2: and books and books to unfold. And when you look
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  Speaker 2: at the publishing time, it's spans of you know, decades sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: So that's this is not like necessarily a new concept.
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  Speaker 2: But there is something different about it here, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like.
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  Speaker 2: It's it is. So it requires a type of like consistent,
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  Speaker 2: constant dedication that I won't say I'm not capable of
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  Speaker 2: because I've been doing Unspoiled for twelve years longer now maybe,
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  Speaker 2: and I have been recording pretty much NonStop that entire time,
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  Speaker 2: with some you know, some little vacations and whatnot in there,
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  Speaker 2: which is more than ODA did for sure. But nevertheless,
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  Speaker 2: so I know I am capable of it. But it's
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  Speaker 2: really different for me. I don't feel kind of pressure
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  Speaker 2: he must have been feeling, and I'm not working on
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  Speaker 2: the same property the entire time. I'm jumping all over
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  Speaker 2: the place. Like frankly, my job is sort of ideal
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  Speaker 2: for me given my ADHD in that it's always new,
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  Speaker 2: it's always changing, there's always a new property, there's always
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  Speaker 2: a new episode or new chapters and something new is happening,
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  Speaker 2: and I never feel bored. There are times where something
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  Speaker 2: might be kind of hard to get through, but it's
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  Speaker 2: never that I'm bored, you know, And I can't help.
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  Speaker 2: But wonder does he run into that? With this going
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  Speaker 2: on for so long, does he ever have times where
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  Speaker 2: he's like, ugh, everybody is so obsessed with one piece,
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  Speaker 2: and I am sick of this and I would love
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  Speaker 2: to be able to just like drop it, take on
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  Speaker 2: something else, hand it over to another person. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very curious about it, and it's the sort of
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  Speaker 2: thing that I just don't think if I were him,
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  Speaker 2: I would ever be honest with anybody about if the
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  Speaker 2: answer were yes, you can can't let your audience know
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  Speaker 2: that you are sick and tired of writing the thing
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  Speaker 2: they all love and want more of, because it really
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  Speaker 2: takes the fun out of it as somebody consuming media
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  Speaker 2: to know that the person responsible for it isn't having
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  Speaker 2: a good time. So you really can't tell the truth
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  Speaker 2: if even if you do feel that way anyway, So uh,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah says, and Oda thought the whole story would only
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  Speaker 2: take about five years to tell when he started tons
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  Speaker 2: of everything. Oh, regarding anime that are not manga, one
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  Speaker 2: Piece is rather unique since all the other long running
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  Speaker 2: shown in anime are infamous for clearly having no idea
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  Speaker 2: where to go at some point and clearly just making
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  Speaker 2: things up as they go. Florien says, consistency is key
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  Speaker 2: and lots of things in life, and recently it has
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  Speaker 2: been like spelled out for me that that is such
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: an issue for people with ADHD is the consistency. And
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine said, I really wish instead of
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  Speaker 2: calling it attention deficit disorder, that they called it attention
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  Speaker 2: dysregulation because.
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  Speaker 3: I don't lack attention.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't get to choose where I'm putting that attention,
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  Speaker 2: which is exactly right. I will pay attention like a motherfucker,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't pick. It's whatever happens to catch my fancy,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'm gone for a month and everything else
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  Speaker 2: gets neglected, and it's like genuinely painful to focus on
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  Speaker 2: things that require my attention from day to day instead
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  Speaker 2: of the thing that I want. Sarahim says, no one
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  Speaker 2: lives One Piece more than Ishiro Oda. This guy has
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  Speaker 2: to be forced to take breaks because he can and
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  Speaker 2: has worked himself into exhaustion trying to tell a story.
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  Speaker 2: Is it because he wants to do that, It's not
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  Speaker 2: because he's like being pressured to do that. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like every time I've heard people talk about this, the
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  Speaker 2: implication was that it was his evil overlord's making him
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  Speaker 2: do things that overworked him. So I don't know. Like,
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  Speaker 2: and when I say when I heard people talk about this,
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  Speaker 2: I am including like in the chats here as well
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  Speaker 2: as like comments on some social media posts and stuff
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  Speaker 2: that were nonspoilery. I promise I haven't been spoiled by
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  Speaker 2: any comments anywhere. But I just have always been under
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  Speaker 2: the impression there was an unrealistic expectation of him, and
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  Speaker 2: not that it was like he was necessarily in a vacuum,
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  Speaker 2: such a workaholic. But I don't I genuinely, all I
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  Speaker 2: know is what you guys have told me. So Seraphim says,
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  Speaker 2: being a manga author is a terrible thing mostly and
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  Speaker 2: it is infamous for the pressure. But Oda is the
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  Speaker 2: rare case of someone who is that driven on his own. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, as much as I want to be
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  Speaker 2: like Oda, that's not healthy. I at least am glad
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  Speaker 2: it's something that he has his own passion about, because
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  Speaker 2: like what I always think of is Agatha Christie, who
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  Speaker 2: everybody loved Pooro and she was so sick of writing
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  Speaker 2: him and it was what sold, and it was what
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  Speaker 2: her publishers kept like pressuring her to write, and so
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  Speaker 2: she did. But by the time she finished with that series,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: she was like, I am so I hate that little
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  Speaker 2: creepy man. I fucking I'm over it. And it always
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  Speaker 2: made me sad to know that she reached a point
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  Speaker 2: where she felt like that with that character, because Poorot
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  Speaker 2: is just one of my faves, and I get why
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  Speaker 2: she'd feel that way, but also, it's you just created
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  Speaker 2: somebody so compelling.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's not my fault that you were so good at
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  Speaker 2: your job. Anyway, Okay, I gotta get into this, so
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  Speaker 2: let's see. Lufy at the start of this episode says,
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  Speaker 2: only one thing matters here, is Sonji coming back to
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  Speaker 2: us or not. It doesn't matter to me if he
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  Speaker 2: gets married. And I feel like it had been pretty
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  Speaker 2: clear that he said he was going to come back,
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  Speaker 2: And of course I know that there may be wishful
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  Speaker 2: thinking in that or you know, but Loufy usually takes
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  Speaker 2: things at face value, so I sort of expected for
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  Speaker 2: him to be like he said he's coming back, then
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  Speaker 2: he's coming back. I thought that he would be much
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  Speaker 2: less anxious about this, I guess. And Lufy also says,
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  Speaker 2: if Big Mom thinks that we're going to work for
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  Speaker 2: her due to this marriage, by the way, she's got
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: another thing coming. If there is an alliance between us,
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  Speaker 2: you're working under us, at which point Peckham's is so
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  Speaker 2: shocked and appalled at the absolute gull of this literal
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  Speaker 2: child that he bounces around in the bed as if
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  Speaker 2: he's been picked up and tossed around. It's a very
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  Speaker 2: puzzling moment. I'm not gonna lie, guys. It felt very weird.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, he uh, he's injuring himself more. And
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  Speaker 2: Peckham's like, he stands up finally and says, you'd better
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  Speaker 2: watch that tongue because I'll wreck you. And we get
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  Speaker 2: this weird moment where the focus on his eyes with
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  Speaker 2: like zoom in and there's lots of little sparkles on
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  Speaker 2: his eyes because he's lifted his weird little sunglasses his
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: point he sunglasses, and it was really reminding me of
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Millhouse from from The Simpsons. I don't know if you
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: guys remember this joke, but at one point somebody tells him, like,
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  Speaker 2: take off your glasses so we can see your beautiful eyes.
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  Speaker 2: And he takes his glasses off, and they are just
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  Speaker 2: two little piss holes, basically, And that's what this guy's
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  Speaker 2: got going on here. He has these awesome shades and
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  Speaker 2: then he lifts his glasses and he's got just two perfect,
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  Speaker 2: tiny dots. But yeah, he has not dealt with Lufy before,
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  Speaker 2: and so he's trying to challenge Lufy and just be like,
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  Speaker 2: did you really say that? And of course we have
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a more of him rolling around in pain. There's this
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  Speaker 2: weird sort of sound effect that I think maybe is
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: supposed to be him like popping a stitch or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, and Carrot is in the background cracking up
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  Speaker 2: over this. Carrot is sort of a weird character for me.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that she'd be more a part of stuff
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  Speaker 2: because of the way that she began in this arc,
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  Speaker 2: and she's been pretty background a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 2: and she's treated as younger in a lot of ways
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  Speaker 2: than I was imagining her to be. But yeah, she's
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  Speaker 2: just sort of like around for this scene and Peckham says,
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  Speaker 2: either way, he's not getting out of this marriage. Blackleg
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  Speaker 2: had the right idea giving himself up. No one can
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  Speaker 2: turn down an invitation to one of Mama's tea parties,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what the reason might be. Nobody puts Mama
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  Speaker 2: to shame, not without paying the price. A couple days
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  Speaker 2: after they don't show at the party, they Mama's would
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: be guessed gets a surprise present. It's a loved one's
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: head in a box which is truly unhinged, and he
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  Speaker 2: names a bunch of different people from Sanji's history that
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  Speaker 2: Big Mom could potentially choose to decapitate. And it's interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me how much of his history they are aware of.
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  Speaker 2: He says, it might be one of his pals from
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  Speaker 2: the restaurant, or she could kill someone in Kambaka Kingdom
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  Speaker 2: who trained him. Came Obaca sorry and yeah, Big Mama
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  Speaker 2: is uh.
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  Speaker 3: Formidable.
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  Speaker 2: I really kind of want to spend some more time
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  Speaker 2: around her and see if there is something I The
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: villains in this show have often been kind of one
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: note isn't the right word, but there has been a
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  Speaker 2: very strong kind of through line to their personalities and
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  Speaker 2: the most that we have sort of like gotten deviation
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  Speaker 2: from that has really been with their sidekicks more than
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: with themselves, and this sort of thing feels on par
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: for the kinds of villains that we have met before.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm just sort of wondering if there's going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: be anything about her other than what her business is,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: because it's candy that feels distinctive and really different, like
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: other than the esthetic due to it being candy, you
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But yeah, I I this moment.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not that it's it's like not threatening,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and it is treated as threatening, and it is treated
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that like probably when somebody who leaned over and whispered
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: in Sangy's ear and made him go to this tea party,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: they likely told him, unless you want one of your
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: loved ones heads delivered in the mail, you want to go.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So it's effective, it's it's intimidating, but it is also
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit uninteresting, I guess, and I hope there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: more to her than this, But it's difficult because you
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: need to make your person intimidating, and you also have
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: got to sort of draw out that time before the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: audience gets to meet them and it's a fine like
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a difficult needle to thread because you
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: want to build up the intimidation factor, but you also
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to make it that there's no way for
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: them to actually really live up to the hype of
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the people who came before. They're they're harbingers and lickspittles
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and henchmen, you know. And we've seen Big Mom on
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the phone, right, We've like, she hasn't been like out
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and about, I don't think, but we've seen her in
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a sort of like silhouette before. I'm just sort of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a little worried, you guys, because I don't find
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: her that interesting yet, and I don't, like, I don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: feel real worried about her in a way that I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: feel I should. All things considered, this ruthlessness, we've seen
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it before, you know what I'm saying. So any way, Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: he continues on with like this is why no one
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: can fight the four emperors and why everybody bows down
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to her, and Nami says, so, Soanji knew the stakes,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: he didn't go by choice, and Peckham says, maybe this
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: will put you at ease for what it's worth. Once
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: this plays out, you won't be forced to work under mama,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and he says the marriage is strictly political. If Mama
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: wants someone to be a part of her crew, she
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: wants them to be a part of her bloodline as well.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: In other words, this marriage is a ritual to forge
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a bond between the vin Smoke family and the Charlotte family.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That is all so from this point on, it's got
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with you guys. Basically, he's saying you
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: aren't going to have to worry about Sony because he's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: not even going to be part of your crew anymore.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: He's going to be part of her crew due to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the bloodline thing and marrying in. He's the son of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the vin Smoke family before he is one of your crew.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Don't get mad at me, saying to Loofy because Lufy
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: is picking him up by the front of the shirt
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and tosses him off the bed, and Lufy says there's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: no way that he would agree to that with those terms,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and he says, well maybe not, but he wouldn't live
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: long after saying no. So Lufy says, what are you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: going to do after this? And he says, well, I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: going to go back to Mama. But I have to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: settle that thing with beij He'll be surprised to see
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not dead. I wish we could just call him Capoon,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: because Beije I don't like at all.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: And Lufy is like, all right, I'm gonna go with you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: If we all.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Go and try and get him out of there, it
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: will look like we're starting a war and we don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: have time for a big fight. But I can crash
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the party by myself if I go with this guy.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: All I need to do is stop the wedding.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I maybe out a line here, but this doesn't really
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: feel in character for me. I understand what Lufy is saying,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that's not the issue. But Lufy just doesn't seem like
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: he's ever given any shits about tactics, you know what
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's always felt for me like.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: We are.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Doing the big thing that saves our friend, whether or
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: not they want us there. And it's just surprising to me,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying that like he seems this
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: willing to uh to consider a more subtle option. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: guess that's really what it is. It feels much more
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: nuanced than the thinking that I am used to from Loofy,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Saraphim says, don't take silhouettes too seriously. Most of the time.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's a case of Oda hasn't finalized what he wants
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: their look to be. Okay, I don't even really remember
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: her silhouette too much, to be honest, so that's really
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: even not a problem. Bernadette's here, Hi, Bernadette, and Florence's
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: thank you. I hate Benje. I mean the name. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: it's not a good name.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I'm sure like.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: There's meaning to it of some kind that I don't
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: know about. But I mean, just Capone is just so
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: much more memorable and uh succinct, and it feels like
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it's a very clear indicator of the type of character
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that he is. Don't use such a recognizable name as
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Capone anywhere in the rest of his name and then
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: not have that be the way he's referred to by everybody.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It's just sort of confusing. But anyway, this is when
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Carrot says this sounds like fun, and Wanda says, Carrot,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: this isn't some joke, and this is what I mean
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: with her like being treated like she's a kid almost here.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So Lufy decides that he is going to go get
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Chopper to heal Peckham's and that way they will be
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: able to get on the road really quick. Peckhams tries
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: to like hail him back and.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Be like, I'm not done. We're not going. I didn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: agree to do this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Lufy's already gone, and he runs into Zorro and like, hey,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: did you hear about this wedding stuff? And he says,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you're worried about Sanji and Zorro says, come on, of
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: course I'm not. I'm the one who said we should
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: forget about him. This is when Chopper and company all
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: arrived back, and he tells he tells Chopper like he's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: starting to bleed. He's you know, up and about bashing
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: into stuff and yelling a lot, And immediately Chopper goes
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in there and gets serious about handling him, and it's like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you know, he puts all this work into fixing him,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: only for this stupid asshole to get up and start
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: immediately bashing around.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And this seems to be a.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Theme with everybody like lately that Chopper is working on,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to listen to him. Later on, kat Viper
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: is doing this exact same thing. So this is when
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Loufy meets cat Viper and he calls him a monster cat,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and I was sort of like wondering, is he gonna
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: be cranky about this? But no, Cat Viper just seems delighted.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And he literally takes a flying leap at Loofy and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: lands on him and Zorro and smashes the bench that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Zora was sitting on. And when I say takes a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: flying leap, I do not mean like to attack him.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: He's doing that body rub gartoe friendship thing but not
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: considering what all the effect is going to be. So
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: this dude is truly fantastic. I just love him so much.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that, like, out of the gate,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: cat Viper is a real pleasant surprise, I guess is
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: really the way I want to say this, Like I
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: didn't know what to expect from him, and the fact
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: that him and dog Storm are at odds with each
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: other all the time. I thought it was going to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: mean that, like one of them is going to be
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: significantly more annoying in some way than the other, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: instead it seems like there's an animosity there that neither
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of them really deserves. It doesn't feel to me like
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: there's I don't know if it's just that cat Viper
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: is so much less thoughtful because Dogstorm is the more
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: serious of the two and seems to be the one
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that's like more cerebral. I suppose could be the way
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you say that, uh, and cat Vipers like somebody who
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: does things more impetuously. Maybe that's where they wind up
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: sort of bumping heads. Is that in that respect? But
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: part of this says monster Cat is a way more
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: reasonable name than cat Viper, which I agree, cat Vip
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: like dog Storm, while it's not really a good name,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: let's be honest, it at least kind of makes sense
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: in its way. There's this there's definitely a feeling of like, okay,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: well a storm of flying claws and jaws and whatnot,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Like I understand, I can. It's evocative, right, it's making
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: me think of something that's could be threatening. Cat Viper
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: is just confusing. That's just a weird combo and also
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't suit him as a character at all, Like any
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: if anything, this character should be cat Storm because he's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: fucking like chaotic, whereas dog Storm is a lot more
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It seems to me, from what I know of them,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: so far intentional about what he does and is like
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: focused and choosing in a way that storm doesn't really.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Suit, you know what I'm saying.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I would say more he's like an arrow or what's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: something a laser dog laser That just sounds like a toy. Anyway,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Seraphim says, like a lot of the worst generation pirates,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Beije is a reference to a historical pirate slash privateer,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, but it's not the name that like makes
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you go, oh hey, you know it's capone is the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: name everybody is going to recognize. It just feels like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: such a weird choice. They fight like cats and dogs,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: which it's you know what, in my household, it is
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: like that our cats and dogs, you know what I say.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: This one of my cats has been really making headway
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: in with Pippen, so I shouldn't even say that. Both
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Ariya and Ripley really like Pippen, but not Arwin, not
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: at all. So yeah, she there goes a dog storm there. Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So anyway, this dude is very much like on the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: same wavelength as Loofy because he is like, we need
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to throw a party. Let's make some barbecue and have
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a good time, and it is a delightful little sequence.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: You guys know that I am always a fan of
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: when our people get to just sit back and have
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a good time with each other. And there's also the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: moment where Law shows up and he's got all of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: his guys with him and they thank Lufy for taking
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: care of their captain. He says, you know, here's all
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: my dudes. They really wanted to meet you. The Heart pirates,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and there are twenty of them. They're all doing all
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: these different poses too. It's really weird. And also we
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: have more of Brooke getting attacked by a bunch of
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the minx. I really hate this joke, guys. I know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I get what we're doing. I do, but I just
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I really feel bad for him.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: He's not having a good time, you know, Like that's
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: really what it is.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: It's like if this were the joke and Brooke were
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: just sort of like resigned and exasperated and just sort
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: of going like as they like chew on one of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: his bones, then I'd probably be like, oh, okay, I see.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But he's like yelling and screaming and trying to get
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: away from them, and it just feels terrible to me.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. It's a kind of like, I
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: feel like, maybe we could have made this joke a
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: few times and had it be that all of the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: like the the ones the dog minks that are trying
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to chew on him, maybe keep having to like remind
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: themselves like the fisher friends not food sharks from Oh
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: my God, Finding Nemo. Maybe if it were that and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it were the they were clearly constantly tempted, but they
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: also understood that it was not appropriate. That joke I
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: could have dealt with. But it's just the fact that
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: it's like every time that he is around them, he's
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: pounced upon by a fucking pile of them. They're literally
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: dog piling him. I just really I don't like it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: It makes me, said, I.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Like Brooks so much, you know what I'm saying, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: really do.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: So it makes me like I want him to be
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: able to cut loose and enjoy himself with everybody in
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the same way they all get to do, although I
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: guess they don't all get to do, because like half
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the thing here is that we've got a thing going
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: on with the uh Samurai. So anyway, let's say I'm
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: trying to find the spot where there it is okay.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: So at the end of this episode is when Lofy
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: is looking around in the midst of the party and
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: he's thinking like, I'm really hoping that this that I'm
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: not forgetting something, And then we cut to Brooke, Frankie,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: and Robin, who are all determined that they are going
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to stop the Samurai from getting up into the city
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: because they are worried about the reaction of the Minx
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to seeing samurai after their city was destroyed by people
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: looking for a Samurai. So, for those who are listening
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: to this episode after the fact, please allow me to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: briefly get you up to speed on what's just happened.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I was talking and then all of a sudden, my
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: screen just began to give me a little spin and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't let me end the broadcast, but it also
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: said I had no internet, and my internet did not
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: come back for about eight hours, so I was about
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: forty five minutes in and had to stop. So it
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: has now been I think.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Almost a week since.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: That occurred, and tomorrow I'm going to be doing a
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: live with Florian again, which I'm very excited about. And
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Florian messaged me I was just thinking last night. Ooh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to do like a catch up episode tomorrow,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and Floria messaged me this morning and was like, hey,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: so about that last fifteen minutes. So I'm just popping
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: on real quick to record for like fifteen twenty minutes
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to finish out the previous episode. And I say pre
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: episode because listening to this this is all part of
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the same episode. You just have to understand that. For me,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it's been a week since what I was last saying.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So if I wind up repeating myself, please just bear
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: with me. You guys, you know how it can be sometimes.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Went and rewatched the second half of the last episode,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and I just because I just wanted to refresh myself
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: on like the overall vibe, which by the way, is
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: seven sixty seven. I will be recording with Florian tomorrow
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: on correct me if I'm not If I'm wrong here, Florian,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: it's three episodes, right, so seven sixty eight through seven seventy,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: which I obviously have not yet watched because I didn't
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: want to do that until I finished recording on this section.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Florian says, yes, three, okay, great.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So what I I.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Just went back on my own recording a little bit
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to see where I had been when I was recording
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: and it went out, and I was starting to sense
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: something was wrong. So there you could hear me being
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a little distracted. But uh, I was saying that I
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: was having some really mixed feelings at this point in
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the episode. Honestly, I had the feelings like from the beginning,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: but I didn't really bring it up too much because
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how big a deal this was really
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: going to end up being the constant like, don't mention Samurai,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: don't mention that we know any all of this stuff.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I understood why our friends were feeling that way, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: it just seemed to me so strange to assume just
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: because we like know some Samurai and they happened to
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: be with us, they are going to be really upset
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: by that. And you know, I think that my takeaway
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: was just everybody isn't logical. We have very emotional reactions
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to things, even when we know better, you know, even
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: when internally we kind of tell ourselves, why am I
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: getting so upset about this? Why am I reacting this way?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's something that you get a little bit
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: better at. I want to say as you get older.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But that's not true. Some people don't ever seem to
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: get to this point. But I like to think that, like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: as therapy is becoming more of an understood thing, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: as we are encouraging ourselves and one another to interrogate
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: our reactions to things a little bit more, we are
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: gradually beginning to open the door to a world that
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: has a bit more introspection and a bit more compassion
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: for other people's responses to things as well. I can
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: watch somebody in like they are really not using their
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: head right now with the way they're feeling, and also
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: step back and look at the many times that I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: also didn't use my head, and remember they are a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: human being and sometimes shit just hits you a certain way,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you know. So that said the whole like, don't ever
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: talk about samurai, don't ever talk about their kingdom which
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: starts with a W. And I'm forgetting already what it is,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: even though they just said it when I watched the episode,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's one, oh right, I still kind of
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: felt like nobody has gone back and told the two
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Samurai that are with you that this is a problem,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and nobody, like we have our friends who are sitting
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: at the top of the cliff, and I say, cliff,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: it's the side of the elephant. It's not a cliff,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: but we have them sitting there, trying to prep them,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: to warn them. But I do kind of wish that, like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: if they were as worried as they were, that this
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: was taken care of a little bit more proactively than
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to just wait for them to come up. And this
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: is the thing that I keep having difficulty with regarding
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the way powers work in this show, where we will
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: forget that somebody has powers to do certain things because
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it's not convenient for them to do them right now. So,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: like Robin's ability with being able to make arms pop
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: out from anywhere would be absolutely perfect for just lowering
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: her down the side of the elephant and warning the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: samuraig eyes, and then she could either go back up
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: again by herself, she could bring them and hide them
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: somewhere whatever. Now, granted, all of this is predicated on
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the idea that we really do want to keep the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Samurai away from the minks. Obviously, the way that the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: plot is structured is everything happens so that the minks
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: pass bypassed the straw hats and that way we can
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: get this like shocking moment. But I wouldn't have been
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: mad if the Samurai were like, no, no, no, it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: not like that, you don't understand. And there were a
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: little bit more friction between them and the straw Hats
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in a way that involves communication rather than just everybody
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: yelling at each other, which is what winds up happening,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: is that the straw hats like tackle them and tell them, like,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you don't get what happened here, and they thought there
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: was a samurai and destroyed their entire city that had
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: been like thousands of years old. And it's weird, all
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: things considered that neither of the samurai actually really says
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: but we know these guys, we are aware of what's
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: going on here. They never actually spell it out, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's supposed to be that they
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: don't really know or you know what I'm saying, Like
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: it just it felt like everything had to be contrived
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: in just such a way so that we could have
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: this shocking moment of finding out that the minks actually
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: did have this dude, And I think there's a way
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: to do this where you can still arrive at the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: shocking twist without it feeling so I'm trying to think
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: of the right word here without feeling like you have
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to twist everybody's behavior so much, you know what I'm saying.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: All that said, I really really did love this twist.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: This is a wild and I just the fact that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like the second of these two episodes opens with or
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: maybe doesn't open, but at least like part way through
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the scene where we are with the Minx and the
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Samurai are hiding, we have got dog Storm and cat Viper.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I was about to.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Say Viper cat, which I kind of prefer actually, but
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: we have the two of them just like insulting each other,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and then like I think, dog Storm says to cat Viper,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you look like shit basically, and cat Vipers like, excuse me, mister,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I only have one leg. But I don't really think
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you should be throwing stones in that house made of
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: untempered glass that you are standing in. And I really
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: enjoy the fact that finding out they were covering for
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: this guy. After all, these two do not like each
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: other and do not get a lo but they are
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: unified in the fact that they would never give this
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: guy up. It doesn't matter how much they dislike one another,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: that is absolutely irrelevant to the question of uh of
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: honor and pride and protection for a friend. And I
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: really do love a character who like has unmitigated hatred
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: for somebody, but also does their damn thing and sets
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it aside, doesn't necessarily hide like setting aside does not
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: mean pretending I like somebody but is able to just
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: get on with it anyway, versus Zoro and Sanji, who
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: like they can get on with it if they are
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: not grouped together, but if they are within an eyeline
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: of one another while they're fighting, is always going to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: be a whole thing. I swear to God, I just
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: really the whole way that the two of them work.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think that we ever really get quite that
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: much detail about why they don't like each other. It's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: just basically cats don't like dogs. You know, I would
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: be interested if there's more of a story to that,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: But also if there isn't, it's fine. I don't you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: that's fine. But yeah, So we have Condre and Kinemon
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: pushing past the straw hats who are desperately trying to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: keep them away, and then you have the moment where
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the two of them Cat Viper and dog Storm kneel
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: down and tell them, Oh, yeah, your friend's here, and
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: he's fine, he's very well, and all of the straw
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: hats just looking shocked. And I'll tell you what, guys,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I think part of the reason that this hits so
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: hard for me as well isn't just the fact that,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: like it never even entered my head that this guy
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: was really here, straight up never occurred to me, but
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: also the fact that it took me a moment to
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: register what they were even saying here because the name
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: of the samurai they're looking for, whose name is.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Like Rio something like that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: It's one of those names that almost sounds like parts
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: of another word when it said the right way, ry
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Soo says Florian So. I had a moment of like, wait,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: who are they talking about? And then suddenly like clicking
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: into place, Wait, that's the guy they were looking for
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: this whole time.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Wait, that's the guy that Wait that but he's not here.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I thought he wasn't here.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Like it was just this sort of cascade of thoughts
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: in my head as I was understanding the import of
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: what they had just admitted. And this show I have
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: often and we'll continue complain about the fact that there
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: are these prolonged camera pans over everybody's faces as they
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: look shocked with their mouth hanging open, making strange noises
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: of excitement or despair or whatever. But this was one
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: of the few times where that slow pan actually gave
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: me the time to figure out what just happened. It
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: was that slow pan and seeing everybody else's shocked faces,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and I was like simultaneously seeing their faces and being like,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: why are they acting this way?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Wait?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Who is it?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Riiso is here in good health? Riis Oh my god?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And then my face was doing the face that all
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: of the characters on screen were doing. And it was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: just a really nice moment because like, I don't get
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: fooled often, you know. And I'm not trying to say
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: that I'm so smart. I'm just saying I cover so
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: much and I take such time in my coverage that
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't take. When you're just binge
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: watching something and you go from one episode to another,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: you're not stopping and asking questions, you're not talking things through,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you're not figuring out the beats of a plot necessarily,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And so just by virtue of the way that I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: cover things for the show. It gets difficult to trick
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: me sometimes because I will clock things that an audience
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: member watching in the normal way doesn't clock, And whenever
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I get tricked, I feel like they like somebody really
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: did something there, you know, and especially here my complaints
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: about the way that there's no communication between the straw
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Hats and the Samurai, the fact that Robin could have
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: gone down, and more than all of this doesn't really
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: have anything to do really with the reveal of Riso
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: having been here the whole time, so it doesn't influence
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: how I feel about that twist at all. It just
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: feels like all of that stuff is sort of ancillary
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and probably would have helped this feel a little bit
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: less of a tortured situation to begin with. But the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: twist itself with watching them be tortured, watching the way
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: that they just to their almost dying breaths, swore this
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: person wasn't here, and absolutely believing them, and also feeling
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: like I can't believe these guys are continuing to torture them.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Can't they see these people aren't here. I'm definitely having
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: a moment of like, these dudes need to fucking move on, obviously,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: you're in the wrong place. And finding out those just
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: were right actually like not good people and they shouldn't
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: have been doing this, but they knew this person was here,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: they had good information changes the whole vibe of everything.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Florian says, I was shocked and in tears the first
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: time watching this, and now the minks have an A
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: plus plus in Lufy's book. Yeah, you can see the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: moment where Lufy hears them say like, we're not fucking
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: a friend over and him just being like god, damn
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: right or not, like absolutely, Oh, that is his playbook,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: you know, And it's very fun for him to not
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: have to explain to somebody because we're friends. He gets
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: to watch somebody else be like, well, we're friends and
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: find a kindred spirit.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I really enjoy that just for him, because there is
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: something about being an extremely good hearted person who wants
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: to look out for everybody else and how constantly disappointed
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you probably are in the world when other people don't
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: have that attitude, and so it must be delightful to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: come across an entire city's worth of people like It's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: not as if there was a second there was a
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: mink that was off by himself being like, I'll tell
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: them and then I'll get all of this to stop.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: If just if we just get Riso up, they would
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: leave us alone. Nobody seems to be thinking that way.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm setting aside Peckham's because he's part of Big
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Mama's crew and probably he would have betrayed everybody because
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: he seems like he doesn't have the same moral compass
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: that they do. But I also like to think that
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: he because he doesn't have the same moral compass he
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: left that like the fact that he has gone and
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: made his own life away from this city means that
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: he didn't fit in, you know. So the fact that
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: they were all on board here and we're willing to
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: let this ancient city that meant so much to them
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: be destroyed the way that it was, I mean, what
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a sacrifice, and for one person's life, which I think
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of folks would argue wasn't necessarily worth it.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: And you know, in a logical.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Like dispassionate sort of way, I could see that argument.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: But it's just tough because sometimes it's like you have
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: to set aside logic for a second and just think
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: about the value of doing something. Doing the right thing
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: for a person, and it's tough. Is it the right thing?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: If everybody here had died from that gas, would that
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: have been the right thing? I feel like I might
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: think no, But because we're standing here and everybody got
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: out now it's feeling like it's worth it. And that's
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: always the way, isn't it Like depending how on the outcome,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: it determines whether or not it was the right or
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: a good choice. So anyway, that's everything, and I'm going
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to wrap up this recording, but I just really wanted
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: to get all of this out before I did my
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: recording tomorrow with Florian. So thank you guys for coming
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: hanging out with me real quick. Appreciate you all a lot,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: and thank you for bearing with me when I lost internet.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: That was super annoying.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: And I will see you all tomorrow. Until then, Tolu
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: mofuers
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: That was an unspoiled networkst