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Episode 5: Skeletons in the closet. Stigmatized properties, haunted reputations, and the history that doesn’t show up in the inspection. · Fully Disclosed: Real Estate in Real Life

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  Speaker 1: One by one, I undid the locks, and before I
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  Speaker 1: could even reach down to grab the handle, the door
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  Speaker 1: slowly opened.
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  Speaker 2: Drew, what are you doing? Uh, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Just getting ready for the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Fully Disclosed Real Estate and Real Life, an
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  Speaker 1: NP Dodge Council Buffs podcast created and produced by real
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  Speaker 1: estate agents who live this stuff every day. We're pulling
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  Speaker 1: back the curtain on the deals, dilemmas, and details nobody
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  Speaker 1: warns you about. Before we get into it, a quick disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast is for general information and entertainment only. Not legal, tax, financial,
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  Speaker 1: or individual real estate advice. Listening doesn't create an agency relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and the views shared by our hosts and guests may
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  Speaker 1: not represent iffy dodge. Now let's get fully disclosed. What
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  Speaker 1: if a home has been associated with death, crime, notorious
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  Speaker 1: former owner, or something paranormal? In this Halloween episode, our
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  Speaker 1: agents explore stigmatized properties, what gives a house a reputation,
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  Speaker 1: and how does that history affect market value? This is
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  Speaker 1: Fully Disclosed Real Estate and Real Life. I'm Drew Rowe.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Marge Leaders.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Terry O'Toole. And I'm Jesse Scudler. We're all MP
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  Speaker 2: Dodge agents here in Council Bluffs, Iowa.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So what exactly is a stigmatized property?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In its simplest terms? It would be a property that
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  Speaker 2: has a history or like something happened there, possibly. It
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  Speaker 2: would affect its marketability or its saleability, but nothing with
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  Speaker 2: it structurally is necessarily wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Or a perceived issue with the property.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, neighbors. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and here in Council Bluffs, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of history that is just ingrained in our communities. where
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  Speaker 1: there's stories that we can pick up every single day
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  Speaker 1: all over. And it's insane at how much history is
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  Speaker 1: actually here. I actually have a story, a showing that
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  Speaker 1: I did a couple years ago. This house was.
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  Speaker 2: Probably one of the first built in Council Bluffs.
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  Speaker 1: So old that Abraham Lincoln actually stood on the front
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  Speaker 1: porch of this house. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Sure did.
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  Speaker 1: So It was, ironically, it was in the fall time,
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  Speaker 1: right around Halloween. And the couple that I took to
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  Speaker 1: this home around 8, 8.30 p.m. walked up to the
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  Speaker 1: front door. And you could just instantly feel this heaviness
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  Speaker 1: as you open.
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  Speaker 2: The door and walk in. Before you even got in there.
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  Speaker 4: Before you even got in there.
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  Speaker 2: And we walked in.
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  Speaker 1: And we were searching for the lights because it was
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  Speaker 1: dark out. I had to pull out my phone and
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  Speaker 1: use the flashlight. It was wall sconces. In that first room,
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  Speaker 1: there was no light switch.
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  Speaker 2: It was wall sconces.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember going through and I would pull the little,
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  Speaker 1: the chain for the wall sconce. My client also wanted
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  Speaker 1: to help out and was pulling them. Every single one
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  Speaker 1: that she pulled, the house actually shocked her. Like there's, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like it shocked her.
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  Speaker 2: Did it shock you? It never shocked me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why that was. So we went toward
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  Speaker 1: the house, went upstairs, and there was still an eerie
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  Speaker 1: feel throughout the entire home. And then finally when we
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  Speaker 1: were going to go to the basement to see the HVAC,
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  Speaker 1: the systems, just to check it out, I noticed that
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  Speaker 1: there were several locks on.
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  Speaker 2: The door, on the inside of the door. To the basement.
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  Speaker 2: To the basement. Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so I unlocked all of them.
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  Speaker 1: And before I even reached down to turn the handle,
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  Speaker 1: the door just slowly opens. And you can see down
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  Speaker 1: into this basement, those steps were incredibly steep.
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  Speaker 2: And it was pitch black.
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  Speaker 1: My buyers looked down there and they said, we are
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  Speaker 1: not interested. It was probably one of the eeriest experiences
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  Speaker 1: that I've had.
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  Speaker 2: Showing houses. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I showed that house.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My buyer wanted to go into the basement. Yeah. How
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  Speaker 2: was that basement? Because we never went down. It was
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  Speaker 2: a basement that just had a weird feel, like a
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  Speaker 2: heavy feel, a dungeon-y type feel. But, I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't buy it either. They wanted to go down. We
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  Speaker 2: were there. Was it during the daytime?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But there wasn't much light in that basement. We were
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  Speaker 2: using flashlights. I bet. So, yeah. What other stories do
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  Speaker 2: you guys have?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I approached this house.
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  Speaker 4: That I was going to preview.
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  Speaker 8: And as I drove in, I had to walk through
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  Speaker 8: a sidewalk that was covered over with like bramble bushes.
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  Speaker 8: And I thought, wow, you know, they're getting ready to
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  Speaker 8: sell and it looks like this. So I opened the
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  Speaker 8: door and I met.
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  Speaker 4: With this smell.
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  Speaker 8: It's a very pungent smell. And I walked on in
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  Speaker 8: and I went on into... the living room. And I
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  Speaker 8: looked around and there were all of these miniature Gothic
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  Speaker 8: figurines all over the living room.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I'm thinking, wow, that's something. And in the bedroom,
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  Speaker 4: up on.
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  Speaker 8: The ceiling was mounted A full adult size witch in
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  Speaker 8: full costume on the ceiling.
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  Speaker 4: And that's when.
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  Speaker 8: I decided maybe that wasn't the house.
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  Speaker 4: So that one, there's never a dull moment.
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  Speaker 2: What was your buyer's thoughts on that as you're going
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  Speaker 2: through that?
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  Speaker 8: Well, we didn't get it at first. You know, it
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  Speaker 8: took a little while for it to register.
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  Speaker 4: But then they.
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  Speaker 8: It was the witch on the ceiling that really did
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  Speaker 8: them in.
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  Speaker 4: They decided it wasn't for them.
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  Speaker 8: So, no.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's always something.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And out of all of us here, Terry, you've always
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  Speaker 2: got a story. You always have a story. So, I
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  Speaker 2: am very curious to know, what do you have for us? So,
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  Speaker 2: since we're doing Halloween theme.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So, here's my Halloween story. I was on floor duty
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  Speaker 5: and got a guy called me. wanted to possibly sell
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  Speaker 5: his house, wants to move to Wyoming because he thinks.
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  Speaker 2: He can buy houses a lot cheaper out there.
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  Speaker 3: I said, okay.
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  Speaker 5: So I drove up, little small ranch house, brick. He
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  Speaker 5: was standing outside. Side door, I pulled up, went in.
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  Speaker 5: There's a kitchen, so we're looking at the kitchen stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So we go in the living room, that's in the
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  Speaker 5: front part, and I notice three mannequins, full outfit military, combat.
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  Speaker 2: With guns, with a rifle. They had pistols and everything
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm looking around, and there's medieval furniture. Okay, so
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  Speaker 5: we go into the bedrooms, bathroom, come back out, sit down.
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  Speaker 5: I said, I want to hear a story. As I'm
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  Speaker 5: going through my listing presentation, I'm looking around, and I
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  Speaker 5: see all these medieval swords, knives, axes, the chain with
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  Speaker 5: the ball on it.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at those rifles. I'm a hunter. And
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  Speaker 2: I says, are those real rifles? He goes, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: they're loaded.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, okay. And I noticed it was just like dust around, dirty.
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  Speaker 5: And so I said, well, here's some things. If I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to list it, all this stuff's got to go.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, because you'll probably freak people out. And as
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  Speaker 5: far as the dust and stuff, I mean, it's pretty thick.
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  Speaker 5: You'll have to have somebody come and clean it. So
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  Speaker 5: I said, well, let's go down to the basement. I'm thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it can't be too crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know what I'm going to be looking at.
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  Speaker 5: So we go down, and the back half is all open,
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  Speaker 5: cement floor, washer, dryer.
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  Speaker 2: I turn around to the front part. I saw these
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  Speaker 2: bedrooms there.
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  Speaker 5: So I open the first door, turn the light on,
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  Speaker 5: and here's a casket on a table.
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  Speaker 2: So I go over there, and here's a mannequin fully
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  Speaker 2: dressed Elvis Presley. I go, oh, I found him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I said. I was wondering where Elvis went. So.
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  Speaker 5: And then the other room, we went in and I
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  Speaker 5: turned on the light and here's a rubber doll on
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  Speaker 5: the bed. And I stepped back and I said, I
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  Speaker 5: think I found Elvis's girlfriend. And he slithers by me
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  Speaker 5: and says, there's no sex going on here.
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  Speaker 2: I swear there's no sex going on. I said, let's
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  Speaker 2: go upstairs. And so we get up, I get next
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  Speaker 2: to the door. I put my car down on the counter.
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  Speaker 5: And I says, well, since you want to go to Wyoming,
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  Speaker 5: we'll get with our corporate office, referral office, and we'll
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  Speaker 5: get you with somebody out in Wyoming that.
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  Speaker 2: Can help you.
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  Speaker 5: And I got the hell out of there.
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  Speaker 2: So we had two from the buy side, one from
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  Speaker 2: the listing side. Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's always an adventure with what we do. Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 8: No, one of the things that I can remember was
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  Speaker 8: I was involved with this historic home tour one year.
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  Speaker 8: And I met the people, the homeowners, and they said, well,
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  Speaker 8: you just need to know that we do have a
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  Speaker 8: ghost here. It's a friendly ghost, but we have a ghost.
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  Speaker 8: And so if people are bothered by this, we want
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  Speaker 8: to be right up front. And I said, okay. So
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  Speaker 8: I went in and you could feel it. Like you said, the.
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  Speaker 4: Energy was there.
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  Speaker 8: And so that's probably the closest that I've come to
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  Speaker 8: feeling that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I wonder if people are more in tune
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  Speaker 5: to the spirits than others, because I had a rental
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  Speaker 5: property that I had a young couple in there and
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  Speaker 5: they're there two or three months and they says, well,
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  Speaker 5: there's ghosts in here. And I painted there, did construction
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  Speaker 5: work there. So, yeah, my grandma and grandpa owned this
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  Speaker 5: house years ago.
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  Speaker 2: And as a little kid, I was there.
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  Speaker 5: And so we go in the kitchen and we see
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  Speaker 5: things that are moving or things that are moving.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just grandma and grandpa. So we're enjoying it. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a kid?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Ghost kid?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they said they could see stuff moving around. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Things like cops moving here, and they come downstairs in
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  Speaker 5: the morning, and they knew stuff was moved.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 5: Because I saw my grandpa and grandma, so we're good.
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  Speaker 2: I did have a gal that I worked with.
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  Speaker 5: She also told me ahead of time that she's spiritually inclined.
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  Speaker 5: We went to this one house, and as soon as
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  Speaker 5: she got in, she said, my chest got heavy, there's
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  Speaker 5: a spirit here, we're leaving.
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  Speaker 2: I said, okay. I didn't feel nothing. It varies for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 6: It does.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And then for Iowa, we don't have to necessarily disclose,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like a.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would say with anything with that, go back
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  Speaker 2: to your agent. Whoever the agent is that's representing you,
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  Speaker 2: let them make that decision. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: And it depends on different cultures. You have to be
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  Speaker 8: very aware that different cultures feel differently about, what do
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  Speaker 8: you want to say, paranormals?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. So if you are aware, you don't.
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  Speaker 8: Want the neighbor to come in and tell them that
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  Speaker 8: such and such has happened and you're not aware of it.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think to bring this all back to
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  Speaker 2: kind of where we started this episode, what is a
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  Speaker 2: stigmatized property? One property I'm familiar with here in Council Bluffs,
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  Speaker 2: there was a murder-suicide. And it was kind of a
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  Speaker 2: love story, really. But the wife had gotten really sick,
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  Speaker 2: and she was to the point where she was just done.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't want to fight anymore. And kept asking her
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  Speaker 2: husband to just, essentially shoot her so that she wasn't
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  Speaker 2: suffering anymore. So he had finally done that. He shot
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  Speaker 2: her in their dining room. He was so heartbroken over it,
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  Speaker 2: he shot himself at the same time because He didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to go on living without her.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. There's a house here in Council Bluffs that
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  Speaker 2: that story is tied to. Wow.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's kind of, you know, something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's got some history to it. Some people know it.
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  Speaker 2: Some don't. But it could fall under that stigmatized piece
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  Speaker 2: of it, possibly. Some people will care about it. Some
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  Speaker 2: may not.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I know there is also another property here in
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  Speaker 8: Council Bluffs. It has sold, I believe, three different times.
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  Speaker 8: And the reason that it keeps selling is because there
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  Speaker 8: is a spirit there.
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  Speaker 4: In the house.
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  Speaker 8: And the owners, they don't want to deal with the spirit.
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  Speaker 2: All very interesting, right? Yes, it is. I think with that,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have a commercial break and we'll come
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  Speaker 2: right back. Quick interruption.
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  Speaker 2: Now back to it. Okay, welcome back. I am still Jesse.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone here has some of these experiences, and now we
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  Speaker 2: have some new faces.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Monty Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Kathy Rodness.
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  Speaker 4: And Memory Mesher.
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  Speaker 2: And we are all agents here at MP Dodge. And
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  Speaker 2: we have to point out, Monty came dressed for the
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  Speaker 2: occasion for this Halloween episode. So with that, we're kind
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  Speaker 2: of telling some of the spooky stories or weird stories
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  Speaker 2: that we've had in all of our years of dealing
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  Speaker 2: with real estate. And Kathy, I know you've told us
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  Speaker 2: about one that you've dealt with. So why don't you
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  Speaker 2: tell the audience here what they could, what you had encountered.
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  Speaker 6: Mine is one of the kind of things that make
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  Speaker 6: you go, hmm, it's in that category. It was early
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  Speaker 6: in my career and I went to a house which
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  Speaker 6: was part of the Underground Railroad. And the basement had
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  Speaker 6: access to a tunnel system at the time. And since then,
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  Speaker 6: it has all been sealed up down there so nobody
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  Speaker 6: can come in or go out. But they did find
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  Speaker 6: when they were doing the remodeling, they did find a
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  Speaker 6: big knife sealed up in the wall, which was kind
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  Speaker 6: of interesting. And they've had instances where they'll put like
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  Speaker 6: a watch or some kind of trinket on a table
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  Speaker 6: and it'll be gone. And a week or two weeks
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  Speaker 6: or a month later, it's there in the same exact
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  Speaker 6: spot where it was left. They just go away and
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  Speaker 6: come back. They've also had instances where at one time
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  Speaker 6: there was the daughter and her boyfriend were in the
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  Speaker 6: house and the boyfriend hadn't been there before, hadn't heard
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  Speaker 6: about this. But a young man came around the corner,
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  Speaker 6: looked like a real person. He said, hey, what are
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  Speaker 6: you doing? And here took off, chased after him. And
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  Speaker 6: in the dining room, they disappeared. And that's happened. They've
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  Speaker 6: seen this young man before and he's vanished in the
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  Speaker 6: same room. Every time they chase him, he vanishes there.
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  Speaker 2: That's happened a few times.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. So also they had dogs, and the dogs would
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  Speaker 6: go whine in that corner of the dining room where
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  Speaker 6: the person would disappear, sometimes scratch at the walls. So
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  Speaker 6: it's just something's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's just a different kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And it was always in the dining room?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, every time, every time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, was this like a? A grown man? A kid?
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  Speaker 2: It was a young man. Okay, a young man.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, same person every time. And he looks just
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  Speaker 6: as surprised when he sees them as they see him.
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  Speaker 6: And she said he looks like a regular person.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: Not like transparent or anything, how you picture a.
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  Speaker 4: Ghost, but he looks like a real person. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a different thing.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting. Yes.
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  Speaker 6: And then another instance I was in, actually this one,
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  Speaker 6: my son had a friend and he'd spend a lot
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  Speaker 6: of time at their house and windows would go up
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  Speaker 6: and down occasionally by themselves and the TV channel would
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  Speaker 6: change stations occasionally or the TV.
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  Speaker 4: Would go on and off by itself.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I used to do that to my dad.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: And I guess there was a fire in the house previously,
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: so I don't know if that had something to do
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: with it. But I know that home had sold since,
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: and the people that currently own it have little things
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: like that happening still.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Actually, it sounds like our old house.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You never know.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: We had the same thing. My mom came from down
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: south in Arkansas up to visit us the first time
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: after we moved in. And we had.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: A tunnel downstairs in the basement that went up into
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: our walls. And then it went out into the street,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: into the brick street. And my mom went downstairs. That
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: was the last time she ever visited us in that house.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: She said she wasn't coming back, and she didn't.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Because she also said she saw somebody. So, no, that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: was it. But it was a beautiful old house, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: we never had any problems. But it sounded just like
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: the one you described.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: And our friend, she says they're not malevolent. They're nice ghosts.
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: And they don't feel any way about it. Some people
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: don't care. Some people are disturbed by it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I think it just varies per buyer.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: As to what they think.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay. Well, yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm in the business of flipping. That's kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: of my forte.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: And so I've been in many old decrepit houses, had
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of different experiences.
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: But I really never believed in anything spiritual about houses.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: And the last house I came from here in Castle
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Bluffs was built in 1890.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: You know, given that age of a house, something bad
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: has probably happened. Somebody's died in it for sure.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: With every old house. I never got scared in there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I never got spooked.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: But this one particular flip that I bought was this
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: big old gray two-story.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Looked kind of shady from the start.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Good start.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: This was a time when there was a lot of
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: foreclosures going on. It was right after the market crashed.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Back in the day and there's a lot of houses
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: sitting on the market this particular one had been on
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: the market for years So there's lots of cobwebs Just
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: everything you can imagine in a house just sitting there
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: boarded up windows here and there But it was it
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: was spooky to begin with but it was it was priced.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Good Solid bones and price good. So anyway, we started
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: flipping this house And my flipping partner does a lot
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: of the heavy work. He is really doesn't believe in
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: spiritual things anyway. It's been in so many decrepit houses
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and just like whatever. And we start seeing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: This pale image of this nine, 10 year old blonde
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: haired girl, could be your sister.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: But it would really startle us and at different times.
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: And we both made the confessions like, we're just seeing
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: the same image.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: But we thought, okay, we made it up in our heads,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: we're just continuing on. House makes a lot of sounds
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: as it is. And then we had his nephew.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Who was born in the Bronx in New York, strong
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: Latino guy, He doesn't believe in anything. He was working
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: there with Abel and I and came up with the
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: same image without even talking to us.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Now, would this happen? You guys are there at all
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: different times?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: All different times. It was at night.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like you guys were all together and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: saw it?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: No, it was different times seeing the same image.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: But the final part that really spooked us out and
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: raised the hairs on my back is we hired this
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: electrical contractor because the lights would never stay on.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: It was flickering, dimming, so we had to rewire the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: whole house to go, okay, something's wrong with it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: So this big burly electrical guy who was working at
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: night calls me and he says, are you sure this
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: house is vacant?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, we're sure. And I didn't say anything.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And he says, well, there's somebody here, and I keep
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: seeing her, and.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: He says, I don't know if I can work here.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: But anyway, my head, I said, I understand. We did
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: get the whole thing done. The house before we bought
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: it had had several owners and it's had several owners since.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I didn't take the last listing on it. But very,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: very eerie.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: There's always something.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Have you changed your mind about maybe thinking there's something
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: spiritual going on?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I do believe in it now.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I do believe that everything happens for a reason.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm spiritual in a way. When it comes to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: haunted houses, I do.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Believe in them. Yeah, there could be some of that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: for sure. Wow. So we've had two instances here where
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: we had some of this. I know your stories.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Mine's a little different. Mine's not really a haunted feeling
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: or spiritual-type feeling. I had some first-time homebuyers that I
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: was working with, and a house came up on the market,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and it came up rather quick. And, of course, sometimes
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: in our market you have to jump on it quick
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: or you miss out. So my clients had called me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: And I got a hold of the agent right away,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and we were one of the first people that were
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: down to see the house. We walk in, and of course, sometimes,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: and you'd like to see this, but she fell in
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: love immediately as she walked in. And as we're walking in,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I see a swimsuit, a women's swimsuit, hanging over a door.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: We get to the kitchen. It's stacked with dishes. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, wow, we must have made them like leave
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: really quick or something. The water is still in the sink.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: The dishes are stacked. And I look over and there's
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: a dirty diaper by the changing table where a baby
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: would have been. And so we're looking around the house.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: They're still loving everything they're seeing. And we get to
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: one of the bedrooms and I noticed the trim work
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: around the door was off. And I said, well, that's
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: something that's minor if you love the house that much.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: We get through and we get inside and.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: We're looking around and there's like three rectangles cut out
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: on the drywall. And they're like, well, why would this happen?
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: And they batted back and forth different ideas why it
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: might be. Well, maybe they were looking for the electrical
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: outlets if they were going to change them or move them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: And I had no idea what was going on. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: they decided then and there they wanted to put an
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: offer in on the house. They didn't want to miss it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: And so we were going to head back to the
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: office and do that. But I said, before we do that,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I want to call the agent that has it listed
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: and ask her what the drywall cutouts were and whether
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: or not they'd be able to put the door trim
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: back on with the door. And so I called her
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: and I said, I think we must have scurried them
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: out of here. I said, there's still dishes in the sink.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: There's still a swimsuit over the door and a dirty
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: diaper by the changing table. And She said, no, they're
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: gone for good. And I said, they left it this way.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: And she said, unfortunately, yes. And I said, well, there's
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: like three pieces of drywall missing in that bedroom. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: she said, you haven't watched the news lately, have you?
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: And I said, no, I've actually been kind of busy.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: And she said, well, those three holes in the wall,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: she missed once. And I said, what do you mean
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: she missed once? She had shot a gun and killed
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: her husband in the bedroom, in bed. She hit twice,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: but she missed once. So there was two together and
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: one over to the side. And she said the detectives
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: came down and had to cut those out to have evidence.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: And I said, okay, I think I need to talk
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: with my clients and see if they're still interested in
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the home.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Surprisingly, it didn't faze them. They still wanted the house.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: And I told them everything that I knew about it
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and they went forward with it. So it was a
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: great house for them. I don't think all clients would
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: feel that way. And especially seeing how it was left,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you know, it was obvious that she was arrested immediately.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And left just like it was. So, yeah, it wasn't
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a haunting, but it was sure different.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something a little eerie.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: A little eerie going in there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: That we run into.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah. If somebody has died in a home, you
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: get your clients and they're on either side of that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, most of them are either extremely one way
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: or the other. I mean, there's not usually too many people.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: in the middle of like, Oh, maybe not. I don't know.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: They're usually adamant of, no, I don't want to buy
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: a house where somebody has been murdered in or yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Like these.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Or paranormal.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a perfect segue, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: is how can this affect market value? I think some buyers,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it affects them. Some buyers are like, I still want
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: I had one that I listed and we just, Made
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: sure it was in the disclosures that someone asphyxiated themselves
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: in the house.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And somebody still bought it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think with that, I mean, anytime it
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: comes to a disclosure issue, we always recommend that you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: need to go back to whoever your agent is. Talk
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to them and get their guidance on that, you know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Because you can do inspections, you know, and you can
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: do appraisals.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: That stuff doesn't necessarily show.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: Up.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: True. It's like, it's not always going to show up.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: And you reminded me of a flip I passed up
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: on for that filling because it was shortly after a
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: landlord had murdered, or no, I'm sorry, the renter had
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: murdered the landlord.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: And there was lots of blood splatter that I don't.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Know why at the time it wasn't cleaned up, why
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: they were able to show it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: But, uh, I kind of wish I would have bought
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it now.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Because it's actually a very classy, nice house.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: But I didn't buy it because that blood splatter just
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: did something to my mind.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: Right. I wish I would have got over it because,
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: like we talked about, probably something bad is happening around.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: It's maybe not that tragic.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Sure. Well, when you get the older homes, you know, it's.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: almost commonplace anymore. If you have a home that's over
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: 100 years old and that, usually people have passed away
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: that were owners at one time. They used to die
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: at home. And they used to. You're exactly right. Yes,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: they'd come in the house and sit.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: That's where the flowers back in the day came from,
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: was to hide the smell of the body when they
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: were out there.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I did not know that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I did not either.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Check with Dave on that one.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, shoot. So I think with that, I think we've
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: pretty well covered it. We've given them some Halloween spooky
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: stories and kind of talked about how it may or
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: may not affect market value.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 28:07
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