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The Kenny Report | 18 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 4: The hypocrisy and indulgence of the climate alarm at Sin Brazil,
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Speaker 4: and Chris Bowen is over there hoping to bring the
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Speaker 4: whole circus down under. Victoria has a new opposition leader
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Speaker 4: as the liberals merry go round continues.
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Speaker 3: One year out from that state's election.
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump now promising to release all the Epstein files.
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Speaker 3: What will we find out?
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Speaker 4: Kristen Tate joins me from the US. The ABC in
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Speaker 4: denial about its dodgy Andy Trump journalism, so they turn
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Speaker 4: their attack on me. I left plenty on that, plus
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Speaker 4: the China threat with Lavina Lee. Tim Blair joins us
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Speaker 4: on Trump derangement syndrome, and Susio O'Brien and Stephen center
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Speaker 4: Tiempo on whether the new.
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Speaker 3: South Wales Libs will be the next to switch leaders.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 4: Tens of thousands of politicians, bureaucrats and rent seekers are
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Speaker 4: still gathered at Belem in Brazil at the UN's COP
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Speaker 4: thirty Climate conference. They've turned up in private jets, they've
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Speaker 4: used a new road bulldoze through the rainforest, and they've
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Speaker 4: offered up plenty of hot air there for Australia. In
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Speaker 4: his element is Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: he speaks for Australia and here's how he opened up.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, mister President, and I begin by reaffirming Australia's
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Speaker 5: commitment to the inclusion of First Nations people in our
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Speaker 5: climate change response and clean energy future.
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Speaker 4: All woke, all virtue signaling, all the time. Look, there's
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Speaker 4: so much fun to be had at COP thirty. I
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Speaker 4: kind of wish I was there. It seems to be
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Speaker 4: like a theme park for climate alarmist. It's not Disney World,
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Speaker 4: but Flannery World or Gore World, maybe Greta World.
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Speaker 6: Today is information integrity, they hear it, Copper. This information
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Speaker 6: about climate change is spreading faster than ever, fueling myths
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Speaker 6: and misconceptions about the climate crisis and the solutions.
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Speaker 7: To address it.
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Speaker 6: Because tackling climate disinformation has never been more important.
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Speaker 4: You can say that again. But most of the disinformation
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Speaker 4: comes from the UN. I mean, how many tipping points
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Speaker 4: are we up to now? Wasn't Manhattan supposed to be
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Speaker 4: underwater by now?
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Speaker 6: What is the most absurd thing that you've ever heard
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Speaker 6: on social media about climate change.
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Speaker 4: The ice in the Antarctica and the art is not
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Speaker 4: decreasing but increasing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, great example, mate.
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Speaker 4: As we showed recently, the latest research says the ice
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Speaker 4: pack on Antarctica has in fact been increasing, not so
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Speaker 4: in the Arctic of course.
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Speaker 3: Still, if we are interested.
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Speaker 4: In the integrity of information, we better listen to more
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Speaker 4: of Australia's contribution.
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Speaker 5: More than one third of Australian homes have solar panels
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Speaker 5: on their roof. Some of those in store panels because
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Speaker 5: they want to address climate change, but most of them
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Speaker 5: did it because what's good for the planet is also
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Speaker 5: good for your pocket.
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Speaker 4: Really, and why didn't Chris Bowen mention that Australians have
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Speaker 4: never had higher electricity prices. Is that part of his
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Speaker 4: plan to drive us off grid with unaffordable power. He
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Speaker 4: didn't tell the conference that our power prices are so
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Speaker 4: high now that the government's having to subsidize power bills
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Speaker 4: and the transition is going so well that they're paying
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Speaker 4: coal fired power stations to keep going. Still, facts, economics
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Speaker 4: and taxpayers money don't seem to matter to this blog. Incredibly,
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Speaker 4: the federal government is still campaigning to host this annual
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Speaker 4: Climate Talk Fest in Adelaide next year.
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Speaker 3: Turkey wants it.
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Speaker 4: We could easily pull out and let them have it,
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Speaker 4: but Bowen and Anthony Albaneze seemed determined to host this
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Speaker 4: at an estimated cost mind due to taxpayers of at
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Speaker 4: least a billion dollars. That's one thousand million dollars, and
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Speaker 4: the total bill could go closer to two billion dollars.
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Speaker 4: The federal governor has already spent at least seven million
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Speaker 4: dollars just making the pitch, and South Australia well, it's
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Speaker 4: all in on it.
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Speaker 8: We have the perfect capital city for one of the
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Speaker 8: biggest international conferences in the world COP, big enough to
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Speaker 8: welcome the world, small enough to walk aloud, with capacity
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Speaker 8: to host forty thousand attendees. Here to tackle one of
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Speaker 8: the world's biggest challenges, climate change.
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Speaker 4: Well there's no better way for Australia to spend two
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Speaker 4: billion dollars. Maybe on schools, hospital perhaps even on the environment.
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Speaker 4: How about repaying debt? No, our government wants a climate
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Speaker 4: gab first.
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Speaker 5: In hosting COP thirty one, we want to bring the
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Speaker 5: world to our region to see the impacts of climate
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Speaker 5: change and bring the world's best innovators and businesses to
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Speaker 5: invest in solutions. In hosting COP thirty one, we want
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Speaker 5: to offer hope through our steadfast commitment to collective action,
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Speaker 5: bringing continuing continuity and stability from the Amazon the lungs
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Speaker 5: of the Earth to our blue Pacific continent and highlighting
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Speaker 5: the immense economic opportunities for all countries of climate action
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Speaker 5: and a net zero future.
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Speaker 3: Oh it sounds wonderful, doesn't it.
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Speaker 4: And South Australia sprooks itself as the poster child for
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Speaker 4: that net zero future.
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Speaker 8: Wind power alone generates nearly half our electricity. We built
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Speaker 8: the world's original biggest battery and then made it even bigger,
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Speaker 8: and we're harnessing out leadership in renewables by building the
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Speaker 8: biggest hydrogen electrializer.
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Speaker 3: No, you're not not anymore.
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Speaker 4: That six hundred million dollar hydrogen project has been scrapped,
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Speaker 4: along with at least half a dozen other hydrogen schemes
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Speaker 4: right around the country, because green hydrogen just does not
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Speaker 4: stack up despite hundreds of millions of dollars in government subsidies.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Australia is a great place.
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Speaker 4: To see our net zero future. It's all about skyrocketing
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Speaker 4: power prices, industry and jobs shifting offshore, billions of dollars
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Speaker 4: of government subsidies, thousands of hectares of countryside and bush
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Speaker 4: land ruined by transmission lines and renewable energy projects, and
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars worth of projects either scrapped, delayed, or
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Speaker 4: over budget. Come on down to the Adelaide cop and
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Speaker 4: check it all out. Climate conferences are incredible, part preaching,
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Speaker 4: part theater, part sanctimony, and all hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: So much fun that three local.
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Speaker 4: Mayors from Adelaide year three of them had to get
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Speaker 4: a taste of it. They flew to a related climate
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Speaker 4: conference in Rio, and then Adelaide's Lord mayor, a former
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Speaker 4: state Labor government minister, Jane Lomack Smith, she went on
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Speaker 4: to the COP thirty conference in Belem.
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Speaker 3: Nice work if you.
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Speaker 4: Can get it paid for by your humble rate payers.
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Speaker 3: But what about the mayor of.
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Speaker 4: Mitcham in Adelaide's leafy foothills, Heather Holmes Ross seemed to
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Speaker 4: think that her taxpayers, her rate payers, might be happy,
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Speaker 4: and were generally were happy to send her on this
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Speaker 4: junket because the issuers of climate change is such a
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Speaker 4: threat to the planet and that this.
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Speaker 3: Local mayor apparently could help save it. Five Double.
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Speaker 4: A radio host in adelaid David pempathy. Well he was
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Speaker 4: having none of it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, heaps of people live in the Mitcham Council.
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Speaker 9: They don't align with your cheery assessment of how everybody's
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Speaker 9: cheering you on. You've been smashed constantly for weeks in
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Speaker 9: your absence, you and the other two mayors. It's looked
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Speaker 9: like an indulgent trip and a waste of public money.
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Speaker 10: Well, there may be some people that think that. I've
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Speaker 10: also had lots of communications from people that see that
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Speaker 10: climate change is an enormous issue and that we as
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Speaker 10: leaders must be doing everything that we can to combat.
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Speaker 3: That everything we can. Flying to Brazil.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Planet Earth to be saved by the mayor of Mitcham.
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Speaker 4: I gotta love it, and I do love Pembo's work.
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Speaker 4: Listen to how he exposes the ignorance and hypocrisy with
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Speaker 4: this final pertinent query.
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Speaker 9: Just want final question. Did you offset the trip? Because
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Speaker 9: it's a pretty good the flight to Brazil?
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Speaker 10: How do you mean did I offset.
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Speaker 9: It for the carbon footprint?
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Speaker 11: I don't know.
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Speaker 10: I don't understand what.
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Speaker 9: I don't know if you book the flights yourself, but
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Speaker 9: when you book a flight, you can offset the carbon
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Speaker 9: footprint for the trip.
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Speaker 2: Did you do that?
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Speaker 10: I don't know. I didn't book the fight.
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Speaker 3: Of course she didn't. There are minions to do all that.
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Speaker 4: All this indulgence and self righteousness is carried out with
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Speaker 4: your tax dollars and your rates and all in the
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Speaker 4: name of net zero. The Coalition ought to be all
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Speaker 4: over this. It exposes the absolute sham.
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Speaker 3: Of net zero politics.
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Speaker 4: I think they call it net zero because of all
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Speaker 4: the zeros they see at the end.
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Speaker 3: Of their travel expenses.
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Speaker 4: Now back to the ABC because they've had a hit
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Speaker 4: back trying to defend themselves and slur me and the
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Speaker 4: Australian and Sky News for daring to point out their
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Speaker 4: bias and journalistic delinquency. First up, a reminder of the
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Speaker 4: deceptive edit that the ABC's Sarah Ferguson gave us in
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Speaker 4: her Four Corners report Downfall four years ago, which tried
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Speaker 4: to suggest that Donald Trump directly encouraged violence at the Capitol,
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Speaker 4: triggering that January the sixth riot.
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Speaker 12: And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll
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Speaker 12: be there with you, because you'll never take back our
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Speaker 12: country with weakness. You have to show strength and you
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Speaker 12: have to be strong.
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Speaker 4: And here's what Trump actually said, without the ABC's edits,
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Speaker 4: what he actually encouraged people to do at the Capitol.
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Speaker 12: And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll
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Speaker 12: be there with you. We're going to walk down. We're
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Speaker 12: going to walk down anyone you want. But I think
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Speaker 12: right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol
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Speaker 12: and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 12: congressmen and women. And we're probably not going to be
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Speaker 12: cheering so much for some of them, because you'll never
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Speaker 12: take back our country with weakness. You have to show
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Speaker 12: strength and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 3: So that was the transgression.
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Speaker 4: Have a look at the ABC media watchers' response last night.
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Speaker 13: In response, the ABC's managing director, Hugh Marx came out swinging,
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Speaker 13: describing the accusation.
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Speaker 14: As opportunistic and false. The grab on four corners was
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Speaker 14: used accurately and did not mislead the audience.
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Speaker 13: Peter Meakin, who spent decades as the director of news
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Speaker 13: and Current affairs variously for channels seven, nine, and ten,
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Speaker 13: said the two edits were different.
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Speaker 14: I don't think four corners is guilty of too much
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Speaker 14: at time. All Actually the bottom line is that it
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Speaker 14: was indeed a rabbel rousing speech.
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Speaker 13: As none other than Chris Kenny wrote at the time.
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Speaker 2: Such lawlessness is inexcusable. Worst of all, that it was
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Speaker 2: fermented and encouraged by the commander in chief and chief
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Speaker 2: executive is frightening.
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Speaker 13: Sarah Ferguson told us this very story by.
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Speaker 15: Kenny underlines the hypocrisy of the attacks on our reporting.
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Speaker 15: The story his criticizing reached the same conclusions as him
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Speaker 15: about Donald Trump's culpability.
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny said, I have long been critical of Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's refusal to offer his loser's consent after the twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty election, but I believe deceptively editing his words in
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Speaker 2: order to buttress that view is unethical.
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Speaker 13: Journalist and academic Margaret Simons said vested interests.
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Speaker 15: Predictably are trying to make the BBC crisis a strike
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Speaker 15: against the ABC. They should chill. The ABC is certainly
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Speaker 15: not perfect, it has clean hands in this case.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot to go through here. Let me do
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Speaker 3: it in order.
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Speaker 4: First up, the ABC managing director said my attack was false.
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Speaker 3: That's a big claim.
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Speaker 4: I have carefully and forensically detailed the ABC edit which
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Speaker 4: I say was deliberately misleading. Marks just says my report
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Speaker 4: is false? What is false? What fact is wrong? He
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Speaker 4: should detail precisely what I said or wrote that was
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Speaker 4: wrong or false, otherwise he should apologize. Next, the ABC
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Speaker 4: has obviously chosen to go to one retired news boss,
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Speaker 4: Peter Meakin, the man once behind a Current Affair and
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Speaker 4: Today Tonight and the Project, and he said four corners
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Speaker 4: didn't do much wrong.
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Speaker 3: Who cares?
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Speaker 4: Is this the new test for ABC journalism, the Today
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Speaker 4: Tonight test. I've put the facts out there. I say
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Speaker 4: it was deceptive and misleading. Many agree with me. People
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Speaker 4: can make up their own minds. The next attack is
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Speaker 4: a cracker. They defend Ferguson's deceptive editing by pointing out
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Speaker 4: that I was critical of Trump at the time. That
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Speaker 4: just bolsters my argument. I'm known Trump barricker. I think
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Speaker 4: he was reckless and irresponsible in the way he refused
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Speaker 4: to accept the election result and had created such resentment
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Speaker 4: over that.
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Speaker 3: But I didn't pretend that.
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Speaker 4: He deliberately urged people to be violent, because that's not true.
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Speaker 4: The ABC clipped up his speech to make it look
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Speaker 4: like he was urging aggression. In fact, they specifically edited
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Speaker 4: out one of the only two sections where he said
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Speaker 4: what he wanted people to do, in this case, cheer
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Speaker 4: on politicians who supported Trump. The only other time in
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Speaker 4: the speech that Trump told the crowd what they should
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Speaker 4: do at the Capitol was this comment, I know.
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Speaker 12: That everyone here will soon be marching over to the
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Speaker 12: Capitol Building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
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Speaker 4: Peacefully make your voices heard. And of course the ABC
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Speaker 4: didn't show that bit either. Now the point here, too
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Speaker 4: is if the ABC really thinks the Ferguson four Corners
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Speaker 4: edit was okay, why didn't they show it cut and uncut,
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Speaker 4: edited and unedited.
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Speaker 3: The way I just did and the way they did
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Speaker 3: with the BBC edit.
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Speaker 4: If they stand by this outstanding journalism, then why not
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Speaker 4: show your viewers the cut and let them make up
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Speaker 4: their own minds.
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Speaker 3: But they dared not to even do that on Media Watch.
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Speaker 4: They dared not to be that transparent even now, and
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Speaker 4: then the ABC rolled out Margaret Simon's a longtime green
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Speaker 4: left writer who twenty years ago wrote a book supporting
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Speaker 4: the fabricated secret women's business of High Marsh Island. That's
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Speaker 4: how much she cares about the truth. She attacked me
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Speaker 4: in that book too, of course, and now this leftist
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Speaker 4: polemicist is an authority the ABC tends to for its
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Speaker 4: defense for a once proud national broadcaster. That's pretty sad really,
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Speaker 4: But the key point now is that when confronted with
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Speaker 4: this four corners trickery, similar to the BBC's dodgy edit,
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Speaker 4: the ABC refused to admit error or even investigate. Now,
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Speaker 4: apart from Ferguson, the managing director Marx, the Media Watch
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Speaker 4: host Linton Besser and the news chief Justin Stevens are
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Speaker 4: all on the record as defending this journalism, and the
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Speaker 4: ABC Onwoodsman Fiona Cameron has refused to investigate my complaint
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Speaker 4: about it. They're all rejecting accountability. Media Watch last night
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Speaker 4: also addressed criticism from The Australian over their appalling Middle
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Speaker 4: East coverage, their discredited three part series arguing that Donald
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Speaker 4: Trump was first installed as president by Russia's Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 4: Remember that conspiracy theory that was Ferguson iiO, the.
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Speaker 8: Kremlin's poppetmaster now has America dancing to his discordant tune.
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Speaker 7: He couldn't have planned it better.
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Speaker 4: Laughable and Media Watch also looked at the ABC's coverage
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Speaker 4: of gender dysphoria issues. Incredibly, Besser gave the ABC a
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Speaker 4: pass on the malicious Russiagate nonsense and the thumbs up
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Speaker 4: to on its one sided Middle East coverage, while he
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Speaker 4: admitted its jaundice on gender issues, But on the dodgy
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Speaker 4: Trump edit, Besser went with the age old stick of
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Speaker 4: the poor old ABC as a hapless victim.
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Speaker 13: Rather, it seems this was a naked attempt to draw
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Speaker 13: the ABC into a public broadcasting crisis seventeen thousand kilometers away,
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Speaker 13: which smeared without foundation, some of the ABC's finest reporting.
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Speaker 3: It's finest reporting dodgy edits. That's it.
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Speaker 4: They are all locked in behind it now. They're either
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Speaker 4: all right or all wrong. They all either think this
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Speaker 4: matter is too trifling to bother with an investigation, or
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Speaker 4: even to bother sharing the edited and uncut versions with
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Speaker 4: their audiences so they can make up their own minds,
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Speaker 4: or they all know they've been caught red handed, and
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Speaker 4: they think their best option is to deny, deny, deny,
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Speaker 4: and attack the messenger and try to write it out.
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Speaker 3: We'll keep on it.
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Speaker 4: Let's go now to the former shadow Communications Minister, former
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Speaker 4: ABC reporter too Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson joining us from
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Speaker 4: the Sydney CBD. Good to talk to you again, Sarah,
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Speaker 4: you're going to push for a Senate inquiry into this stuff.
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Speaker 4: You've seen the ABC's responses. Now, are you convinced it
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Speaker 4: all by their defense?
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Speaker 11: Well, Chris, good afternoon. And I'm not convinced. And I
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Speaker 11: think there was a very deliberate decision to edit out
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Speaker 11: a key part of President Trump's speech to make it
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Speaker 11: look like he was encouraging civil unrest at.
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Speaker 7: The very least.
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Speaker 11: And I do think there are serious questions to answer,
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Speaker 11: and that is very much because the ABC Act requires
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Speaker 11: that news and current affairs and information must be disseminated
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Speaker 11: in a way that is impartial and accurate. And I
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Speaker 11: think on too many occasions, Chris, the ABC has failed
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Speaker 11: the impartiality test, and that's why I believe the time
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Speaker 11: has come for a Senate inquiry.
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Speaker 4: In the interim, surely the ABC onwards and should look
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Speaker 4: at this. I mean, she's written back to me and
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Speaker 4: said that because it's more than three months old, she
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Speaker 4: doesn't really have to investigate it, but she's decided not
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Speaker 4: to anyway. I mean, if this is an independent investigator,
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Speaker 4: what case before us now are of ABC indolence or
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Speaker 4: a delinquency could be more important for her.
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Speaker 3: To investigate.
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Speaker 11: Well, Chris, I have raised concerns about the ABC Act.
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Speaker 11: I don't believe it's fit for purpose.
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Speaker 1: I think the.
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Speaker 11: Entire act needs to be rewritten, and I have called
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Speaker 11: for that, and certainly if we get the opportunity in government,
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Speaker 11: that will be from my perspective of very strong focus.
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Speaker 11: But I just don't think this is good enough for
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Speaker 11: the ombardsman to say there's nothing to see here, and
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Speaker 11: it builds the case, Chris, for perhaps the fact that
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Speaker 11: we need a truly independent ombardsman rather than someone who
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Speaker 11: is employed by the ABC with very rigid rules. So
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Speaker 11: all that does, I think is encourage me to look
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Speaker 11: at the way the ombitsman is currently structured, because we
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Speaker 11: need a fully accountable ombudsman and complaints process. And if
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Speaker 11: there's a three month limit that is just simply not
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Speaker 11: good enough.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is certainly worth looking at. We'll keep our
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Speaker 4: eye on that debate. I want to bring you to
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Speaker 4: liberal politics in your home state now.
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Speaker 3: The state liberals.
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Speaker 4: Have been as shambles there for a long while, but
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Speaker 4: leadership upheaval again today and they've ended up with a
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Speaker 4: new opposition leader, Jess Wilson.
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Speaker 3: She's only thirty five here years.
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Speaker 16: At the next selection twelve months from now, Victorians have
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Speaker 16: a clear choice, a choice between a tired, out of
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Speaker 16: touch Labor government or a new generation Liberal team.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Jess Wilson trained as a lawyer, worked a little
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Speaker 4: in corporate law, worked as a political staffer, the Josh
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Speaker 4: Friedenberg and others.
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Speaker 3: Married with one child.
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Speaker 4: Is she too green to be taking on the leadership
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Speaker 4: at thirty five years of age?
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Speaker 11: Chris, Look, I firstly just want to address the premise
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Speaker 11: of your question. I don't accept that there was a shambles.
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Speaker 11: In fact, a poll which came out this morning showed
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Speaker 11: that we were ahead in the polls that I think
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Speaker 11: Brad Batton has done a very solid job as the
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Speaker 11: leader of the opposition, but of course there has been
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Speaker 11: the change, and I really do congratulate. She's very competent,
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Speaker 11: she's very smart, she's a great community communicator, and I
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Speaker 11: really do think that she will take the fight up
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Speaker 11: to this terrible labor government. I mean, they are sending
22:32
Speaker 11: Victoria broke. There is a crime crisis too, many people
22:36
Speaker 11: can't find an affordable place to live, a home to buy,
22:40
Speaker 11: a place to rent, and so I know that Jess
22:43
Speaker 11: and the entire team, and Sam Groth of course is
22:45
Speaker 11: the deputy, will really take the fight up to labor.
22:49
Speaker 11: We cannot afford to lose. That is the bottom line.
22:52
Speaker 11: This is things are so terrible in Victoria, Chris. There
22:55
Speaker 11: was a survey just a few days ago which shows
22:59
Speaker 11: that out of three businesses are either contemplating closure or
23:04
Speaker 11: are likely to close because of the horrendous economic conditions
23:08
Speaker 11: in the state. So I say all power to Jess
23:12
Speaker 11: and the team and we'll all be working very, very
23:14
Speaker 11: hard to win in November next year.
23:16
Speaker 4: I've got to say we must have different definitions of
23:19
Speaker 4: the shambles though, because there have been three opposition leaders
23:22
Speaker 4: there now inside twelve months, one of them taken out
23:25
Speaker 4: effectively by a legal action from someone in his own party.
23:28
Speaker 4: So let's hope the shambles is behind them. Just on
23:31
Speaker 4: the policy sense though. Obviously you've gone to net zero
23:35
Speaker 4: as the federal coalition the state Liberals in New South Wales,
23:40
Speaker 4: so they're going to stick by net zero. What about
23:43
Speaker 4: the Victorians and how are you going to deal with
23:45
Speaker 4: this conflict between federal net zero policies and state versions.
23:54
Speaker 11: Well, Chris, firstly, we've gone we've dumped net zero because
23:58
Speaker 11: this was an environmental and economic disaster for our country.
24:02
Speaker 11: We know these policies of labors are a fantasy. They're
24:06
Speaker 11: driving up power prices, electricity is up thirty nine percent.
24:11
Speaker 11: It is killing our country, it is killing the economy,
24:15
Speaker 11: and of course it's underpinned by at least four separate
24:18
Speaker 11: carbon taxes embedded into the economy. And of course if
24:22
Speaker 11: we did ever get to net zero, that would mean
24:25
Speaker 11: a three hundred dollars a ton carbon tax, thirteen times
24:30
Speaker 11: more than Julia.
24:31
Speaker 1: Gillard's carbon tax.
24:32
Speaker 11: So this is this is truly a shambles Labour's energy policy.
24:37
Speaker 11: And so now it is up to us to prosecute
24:40
Speaker 11: the case very hard, to prosecute the case for affordable
24:44
Speaker 11: energy for lower emissions, and we will work very constructively
24:48
Speaker 11: with our state teams.
24:50
Speaker 3: But they're going to be arguing a different policy.
24:52
Speaker 11: Way that we are going. They're going to we bring
24:56
Speaker 11: them around. We hope that we can bring around, because
25:01
Speaker 11: just the facts will tell us a line, Chris, that
25:04
Speaker 11: we won't get to twenty thirty. The emissions reduction target
25:07
Speaker 11: of twenty thirty We will not get anywhere near. We
25:09
Speaker 11: won't get to twenty thirty five. We are being told
25:12
Speaker 11: one big, fat lie by this Prime Minister, and eventually
25:18
Speaker 11: those lies are coming to the fore. And so I'm
25:21
Speaker 11: really hopeful that we can work very closely with the
25:23
Speaker 11: states and the territories to deliver a common sense policy
25:27
Speaker 11: in the best interests of all Australians.
25:29
Speaker 4: Sarah Henderson, thanks so much for joining us the Liberal
25:31
Speaker 4: Senate of a Victoria there, Sarah Henderson, That's how.
25:33
Speaker 3: I wanted to get to you.
25:34
Speaker 4: You can't have that policy conflict standing forever. They've got
25:39
Speaker 4: to be united on this. And as Sarah Henderson says,
25:42
Speaker 4: they want to talk the states around, well, you watch
25:45
Speaker 4: the labor governments now pick that up and say that
25:48
Speaker 4: there got oppositions who are not serious about net zero. Now,
25:52
Speaker 4: if that's the case, as you know, my view on
25:55
Speaker 4: that zero is they should get rid of it as
25:57
Speaker 4: a commitment. But that's going to play out in state
25:59
Speaker 4: politics now as well, or mark my words. I want
26:01
Speaker 4: to go to Foreign Affairs now and Foreign Affairs Minister
26:05
Speaker 4: Penny Wog she's back in our relationship with China, despite
26:08
Speaker 4: warning that Beijing is going to continue to increase its
26:11
Speaker 4: influence in our region.
26:12
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
26:14
Speaker 7: The change in the regional landscape is permanent. The disruption
26:20
Speaker 7: the contest is permanent. China will continue trying to reshape
26:25
Speaker 7: the region according to its own interests. Russia, Iran and
26:30
Speaker 7: North Korea will continue to sabotage and destabilize with so
26:35
Speaker 7: much activity and contest. Things may not go Australia's way
26:38
Speaker 7: every time, but we will and we must keep pressing
26:42
Speaker 7: our national interest in the contest every day.
26:46
Speaker 4: Let's bring in Lavin, the lead director of Foreign Policy
26:49
Speaker 4: and Defense Program at the United States Study Center.
26:51
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Leavina.
26:54
Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty frank assessment from Penny Wong there,
26:57
Speaker 4: But it shows what a difficult positions Australia isn't it.
27:00
Speaker 4: This is our major trading partner and yet they're seeking
27:03
Speaker 4: to expand their influence and up end the order really
27:06
Speaker 4: in our region.
27:07
Speaker 3: How does she deal with that? Well?
27:10
Speaker 17: I actually think, you know, in many respects, it's a
27:13
Speaker 17: good speech in that it does acknowledge that we're quite
27:17
Speaker 17: compromised in many ways, but we're not unusual. I would
27:20
Speaker 17: say the rest of the region is similarly in the
27:24
Speaker 17: same kind of mind. I think the thing that struck
27:28
Speaker 17: me is that she spoke about, you know, our economic
27:32
Speaker 17: relationship with China and building resilience, and in my view,
27:38
Speaker 17: you know, we are so dependent on China as an
27:42
Speaker 17: export destination. But under this government, I do wonder whether
27:47
Speaker 17: that message about resilience and building resilience is really what
27:52
Speaker 17: is coming through to business leaders that we you know,
27:56
Speaker 17: we learned a lot of lessons from COVID that we
27:59
Speaker 17: were too dependent on China for practically every kind of
28:03
Speaker 17: manufactured good you can imagine. And the messaging since then
28:08
Speaker 17: has been its business as usual and China's a big market.
28:12
Speaker 11: So let's go for it.
28:14
Speaker 17: But I think that that's a mistake. I think we
28:17
Speaker 17: really shouldn't forget those lessons and really think about what
28:20
Speaker 17: are the critical areas of our economy where we have
28:23
Speaker 17: to build our own manufacturing and industrial capacity.
28:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we need to get our energy sort of
28:28
Speaker 4: if we were to do that for sure, as well
28:30
Speaker 4: as diversify our markets, I suppose our other export markets.
28:33
Speaker 4: I want to briefly go back to what Mike burd
28:36
Speaker 4: has warned about obviously talking about China last week the
28:38
Speaker 4: ASO boss.
28:40
Speaker 18: Yes, ASIO is aware of one nation state and no
28:43
Speaker 18: price is for guessing who conducting multiple attempts to scan
28:47
Speaker 18: and penetrate critical infrastructure in Australia and other Five Vised countries,
28:52
Speaker 18: targeting water, transport, telecommunications and energy networks.
28:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:58
Speaker 4: Now China came back with some sharp words over that,
29:00
Speaker 4: but no actions against Australia, no trade bans and the
29:05
Speaker 4: like that we've seen in the past. Have they given
29:07
Speaker 4: up on that tactic or are we still really at
29:09
Speaker 4: the mercy of those sorts of punishments.
29:14
Speaker 17: Look, I don't think that the Australian government has done
29:19
Speaker 17: enough on this score to deserve a punishment. But I
29:24
Speaker 17: say that yet. What I mean by that is that
29:27
Speaker 17: Mike Burgess warned not only that Chinese sophisticated hacking groups
29:33
Speaker 17: stealing technology from Australian companies and the same is going
29:38
Speaker 17: on around other Five Eyed countries, but he was really
29:41
Speaker 17: talking about the ability to shut down and sabotage critical infrastructure. Now,
29:47
Speaker 17: if the Australian government were to go beyond allowing Mike
29:51
Speaker 17: Burgess to talk about this and to actually start putting
29:55
Speaker 17: in policies that suggest that we should ban way from
30:00
Speaker 17: selling telephones from WeChat, banning we chat, or think about
30:09
Speaker 17: Chinese electric vehicles and the kind of sabotage that could
30:13
Speaker 17: go on if the penetration of Chinese electric vehicles goes
30:18
Speaker 17: on and hacking is possible. So if the government were
30:21
Speaker 17: to actually go that next step, just as the previous
30:25
Speaker 17: government put in place legislation on foreign interference, then I
30:30
Speaker 17: think the Chinese government would be very upset by that,
30:34
Speaker 17: and that could be a problem. It sabotage, you know,
30:38
Speaker 17: some kind of more serious response.
30:41
Speaker 4: Indeed, let's hope it doesn't prevent our government from taking
30:44
Speaker 4: the actions it needs to take, though, we'll see. Thanks
30:47
Speaker 4: for joining us, Leavena, I appreciate it, Levena lead there
30:49
Speaker 4: from the United States Studies Center.
30:52
Speaker 3: We're going to take a break after the rate.
30:53
Speaker 4: Tim Blair will join me to talk about that climate
30:56
Speaker 4: summit talk. First, you've got to read Tim Blair in
31:03
Speaker 4: the Daily Telegraph online.
31:05
Speaker 3: He joins us every week.
31:06
Speaker 2: There.
31:07
Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, Tim in the wilds of
31:09
Speaker 4: Western Victoria. I love your common column.
31:11
Speaker 3: This week.
31:12
Speaker 4: You've got a test now for Trump derangement syndrome. Is
31:15
Speaker 4: if people see all these malicious edits of Donald Trump's
31:19
Speaker 4: speeches and think that that's fair enough, Well, then obviously
31:22
Speaker 4: they're suffering Trump derangement syndrome.
31:25
Speaker 19: They've got it to a tertiary level, my friend. And
31:28
Speaker 19: one of the things I love so much about the
31:30
Speaker 19: people who are defending or at least minimizing the issue
31:35
Speaker 19: of this docted quote is that they try and make
31:40
Speaker 19: it out as it's complicated. It's some sort of largest
31:44
Speaker 19: sort of conspiracy orols involves all sorts of cultural issues
31:48
Speaker 19: and you know, private versus public media and so on. No,
31:53
Speaker 19: it's adopted quote. It's really that basic. It's a really
31:56
Speaker 19: badly docted quote. It's classic, as we spoke about last week,
32:00
Speaker 19: classic dumb tabloid television tactics. And they got caught and
32:04
Speaker 19: people resigned because of it. That's exactly how complicated it is.
32:08
Speaker 19: And it's hilarious watching the likes of Media Watch last
32:11
Speaker 19: night in the ABC pretending that it's so much larger
32:13
Speaker 19: and more intriguing and oh my god, I'm going to
32:15
Speaker 19: go deep on this.
32:16
Speaker 3: It isn't.
32:17
Speaker 4: Indeed, of course, they're resignations in the UK with the BBC,
32:22
Speaker 4: but here the ABC is.
32:24
Speaker 3: Denying any problem.
32:26
Speaker 4: And I was highly amused when they exposed my hypocrisy
32:34
Speaker 4: because I've been critical of Trump. I mean, this is
32:36
Speaker 4: the point I think if you if you're critical of Trump,
32:38
Speaker 4: then you're allowed to snip up his speeches however you like.
32:42
Speaker 3: No, you can have a view.
32:43
Speaker 4: One by or the other, but in the end you've
32:45
Speaker 4: got to be fair in your editing.
32:47
Speaker 19: It's a kind of dumb trouble whay that they looked
32:49
Speaker 19: at that, wasn't it that when I look, you know,
32:52
Speaker 19: terrible Chris Kenny. You know, he's attacking us for making
32:56
Speaker 19: fun of you know, for minimizing this awful quote. But
33:00
Speaker 19: he also said the speech was bad. Well, one thing
33:03
Speaker 19: doesn't mean the other. You can say that a person's
33:06
Speaker 19: speech was bad without having to doctorate to make it
33:09
Speaker 19: worse or to make it appear as though someone said
33:11
Speaker 19: something that they didn't say. And this is again, it's
33:14
Speaker 19: a part of what I was talking about. They try
33:15
Speaker 19: and make something very simple look incredibly complicated. It's a
33:19
Speaker 19: basic sort of smoke screen strategy, and I think a
33:22
Speaker 19: lot of people are wise to it these days.
33:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, spot spot on well summarized.
33:27
Speaker 4: I want to go to Trump de rangement syndrome though,
33:30
Speaker 4: because on Fox TV in the US, they've turned up
33:33
Speaker 4: with a psychoanalyst, a psychotherapist who reckons it's a serious problem.
33:37
Speaker 20: I will look, people are obsessed with Trump, They're fixated,
33:42
Speaker 20: They're hyper fixated on Trump, and they talk about some
33:46
Speaker 20: of the features of the disorder. They can't sleep, they
33:51
Speaker 20: feel traumatized by mister Trump, they feel rassless. I had
33:56
Speaker 20: one patient who said she couldn't enjoy a vacation because
33:59
Speaker 20: anytime she saw Trump and the news are on her device,
34:03
Speaker 20: she felt triggered. So this is a profound pathology, and
34:07
Speaker 20: I wouldn't even go so far as to call it
34:09
Speaker 20: the defining pathology of our time.
34:12
Speaker 3: Just brilliant.
34:13
Speaker 4: Most of these people are journalists in Western countries, right.
34:16
Speaker 19: Yes, he's just described the ABC. It is incredible that
34:21
Speaker 19: people have allowed themselves to become so infected with the madness.
34:25
Speaker 19: I mean, when you look basically at a lot of
34:27
Speaker 19: Trump's policies, they're not extreme that they do fall within
34:32
Speaker 19: the range of what would have been you know, centrist
34:35
Speaker 19: sort of even Democrat leading policies in the past twenty
34:37
Speaker 19: or thirty years. They're certainly not as extreme as people
34:40
Speaker 19: fear them to be. And also we've seen him be
34:43
Speaker 19: in power for a long time now, and where's all
34:46
Speaker 19: the World War three? Nothing that they predicted will be
34:49
Speaker 19: evil has happened.
34:50
Speaker 4: So he's ended more wars than he started. And by
34:53
Speaker 4: securing the southern border, he's only doing what Barack Obama
34:57
Speaker 4: and Bill Clinton promised to do.
34:59
Speaker 3: Spot on. Thanks you're joining us, Tim. We'll catch it
35:01
Speaker 3: later in the week. There, We've got to get to
35:03
Speaker 3: a break.
35:03
Speaker 4: On the other side of that, we'll check in on
35:05
Speaker 4: the release of the Epstein files.
35:07
Speaker 3: Kristen Tate will join me. All cross to Christen Tate
35:15
Speaker 3: in a moment.
35:16
Speaker 4: But first, Donald Trump has flipped, saying he'll sign legislation
35:20
Speaker 4: to release files related to the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein,
35:23
Speaker 4: after resisting this move, of course, for many months.
35:26
Speaker 3: Here's the president.
35:28
Speaker 21: We have nothing to do with Epstein. And Democrats too.
35:31
Speaker 21: All of his friends were Democrats. You look at this
35:34
Speaker 21: Redhoff and you look at Larry Summers, Biltlynn. They went
35:38
Speaker 21: to his island all the time. Many of this oral democrats.
35:41
Speaker 21: I'm all for it. You know, we've already given fifty
35:44
Speaker 21: thousand pages.
35:45
Speaker 4: You do know that I put to Kristen Tate that
35:48
Speaker 4: it should be great to get some transparency and have
35:50
Speaker 4: these documents out there for all to see.
35:54
Speaker 8: Yes.
35:55
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, Trump built one of the most
35:57
Speaker 1: unexpected and really robust coalition of voters in US politics,
36:01
Speaker 1: in large part because of promises to kind of challenge
36:04
Speaker 1: the corrupt elete and restore justice. And his base, including myself,
36:09
Speaker 1: we want transparency regarding the Epstein case because this case
36:13
Speaker 1: represents the extent to which powerful people globally are shielded
36:18
Speaker 1: from accountability by shadowy government figures and their allies in
36:23
Speaker 1: the media. But so far, any concerns relating to the
36:27
Speaker 1: Epstein case have been kind of dismissed by this White House.
36:30
Speaker 1: It's been very disappointing. Trump has actually kind of scolded
36:32
Speaker 1: some reporters for even asking about it. For four years,
36:36
Speaker 1: we were all asking in this country who is in
36:38
Speaker 1: charge in the White House? While Biden was in charge,
36:40
Speaker 1: who's actually making decisions. So we all turned out and
36:43
Speaker 1: voted for Trump because we wanted a government that tells
36:45
Speaker 1: us the truth and provides us with transparency. So it's
36:48
Speaker 1: great to see Trump coming out finally and saying he'll
36:51
Speaker 1: release this stuff. However, Chris, do I think we're ever
36:54
Speaker 1: going to see a big client list Epstein client list
36:57
Speaker 1: to the real one anyway, Absolutely not. We will never
37:00
Speaker 1: see that list. The reason why I suspect is because
37:04
Speaker 1: there are huge names from both the left and the
37:06
Speaker 1: right of major donors. Nobody from either party wants that
37:10
Speaker 1: exposed from the top level.
37:12
Speaker 4: That's why this is so fascinating and there's so much
37:15
Speaker 4: interest across the spectrum on these. It was only days ago,
37:18
Speaker 4: of course, the Democrats were attacking Trump for sitting on
37:22
Speaker 4: all this information.
37:23
Speaker 22: Have a look, and he campaigned on releasing all the
37:25
Speaker 22: FC files, obsessed about it, his vice president obsessed about it.
37:29
Speaker 22: And now the White House is involved in a massive
37:31
Speaker 22: cover up, and we want to know why won't they
37:33
Speaker 22: release the files?
37:34
Speaker 3: All right, so now they're going to get what they want.
37:37
Speaker 3: What's the process here?
37:38
Speaker 4: It has to get through Congress does and then the
37:40
Speaker 4: President signs off on it, and then.
37:41
Speaker 3: We get everything on them that you're suggesting.
37:44
Speaker 4: There are whys still that some of the documents can
37:46
Speaker 4: be held back.
37:49
Speaker 1: There is very likely no way that we are going
37:52
Speaker 1: to get everything, especially a client list. The reason I
37:56
Speaker 1: suspect Chris, and look, I don't have any insider information,
37:58
Speaker 1: but I suspect that client list doesn't even exist at
38:01
Speaker 1: this point. It's probably been destroyed a long time ago.
38:05
Speaker 1: But it's hilarious to see leftists sitting up there demanding
38:08
Speaker 1: that all of this be released. Hello, Joe Biden was
38:11
Speaker 1: president for four years. All these same Democrats were screaming
38:15
Speaker 1: about transparency, did nothing. They had no interest in this
38:19
Speaker 1: for four years. But they were right. That man was right,
38:23
Speaker 1: that it is true. Trump did campaign on this. So
38:25
Speaker 1: we would like to see whatever documents exist being released
38:29
Speaker 1: to the public.
38:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see it all.
38:32
Speaker 4: Some lot is the best disinvictant, and I would just
38:36
Speaker 4: not in passing that.
38:37
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton has been very quiet of light.
38:42
Speaker 4: I do want to move on to another topic, and
38:44
Speaker 4: that is, of course, the US continuing to attack these
38:49
Speaker 4: alleged drug runners running drugs out of South America into
38:54
Speaker 4: the US. These stunning assaults where they're actually blasting.
38:57
Speaker 3: Buds out of the water. And have a look at
38:59
Speaker 3: what the President has said about this.
39:02
Speaker 4: I'm apologetic and in a way suggesting you'd go a
39:05
Speaker 4: lot further.
39:05
Speaker 3: Of course, even with Mexico, I have a little.
39:08
Speaker 21: Would I launch strikes in Mexicano to stop drugs? It's
39:12
Speaker 21: okay with me. We know the addresses of every drug lord.
39:16
Speaker 21: We know their address, we know their front door, we
39:20
Speaker 21: know everything about every one of them. They're killing our people.
39:23
Speaker 21: That's like a war.
39:25
Speaker 4: It's typical Trump there. But again, this puts more pressure
39:29
Speaker 4: on Mexico. It doesn't it to stop the supply of
39:32
Speaker 4: drugs into the US.
39:34
Speaker 1: Of course it does, but they have not done much
39:36
Speaker 1: up to this point. There have been many calls from Democrats,
39:39
Speaker 1: even a few Republicans, and of course the media to
39:41
Speaker 1: kind of halt these attacks on drug boats. But Trump
39:44
Speaker 1: shows no signs of backing down. There are a couple
39:47
Speaker 1: polls floating around up out there that I saw before
39:49
Speaker 1: we went on air, showing that only a minority of
39:52
Speaker 1: Americans support these attacks. I don't believe those polls for
39:56
Speaker 1: a second. I suspect they're kind of asking the qu
40:00
Speaker 1: questions as to whether people support these attacks in a
40:02
Speaker 1: misleading way. Let me tell you, Chris, everyone I know, Republicans, Democrats, independents,
40:08
Speaker 1: people love Trump, people who hate Trump, they support these
40:12
Speaker 1: attacks on drug cartels. Drugs are killing scores of Americans.
40:16
Speaker 1: That legal drugs are killing scores of Americans every year,
40:20
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred thousand last year alone. The drug users
40:23
Speaker 1: and addicts who don't get killed, their lives are destroyed.
40:26
Speaker 1: Nearly every person in this country knows another American personally
40:30
Speaker 1: who has had their lives destroyed by these drugs. Most
40:33
Speaker 1: of them are coming across the southern border. They're coming
40:35
Speaker 1: from votes. Trump is doing the right thing. He doesn't
40:38
Speaker 1: have to worry about re election. He will not back down.
40:41
Speaker 1: He does not care about the negative media coverage on this.
40:44
Speaker 4: Okay, let's finish with a bit of light relief, and
40:47
Speaker 4: I want to go to the former First Lady Michelle
40:49
Speaker 4: Obama address and continue speculation that.
40:52
Speaker 3: She might run for the presidency one day.
40:55
Speaker 23: Well, as we saw in this past election, sadly, we
41:00
Speaker 23: ain't ready. That's why I'm like, don't even look at
41:04
Speaker 23: me about running, because you all are lying you're not
41:06
Speaker 23: ready for a woman.
41:08
Speaker 1: You are not, So don't waste my time.
41:12
Speaker 23: You know, we got a lot of growing up to
41:14
Speaker 23: doom and they're still I'm sadly a lot of men
41:17
Speaker 23: who do not feel like they can be led by
41:19
Speaker 23: a woman.
41:20
Speaker 3: And we saw it. Ah, there's nothing wrong with her.
41:24
Speaker 4: It's all the voters, Christen, It's all those.
41:26
Speaker 2: Deplorables that never vote for a woman.
41:30
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Well, look, Michelle Obama is a very
41:33
Speaker 1: entitled woman who spends her life living off the success
41:36
Speaker 1: of her husband. The Obamas have many beautiful homes, including
41:40
Speaker 1: an absolutely breath taking one right off the ocean in
41:43
Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard. This is a woman who does not want
41:46
Speaker 1: to leave the life of luxury. I think she's smart
41:48
Speaker 1: enough to know that running for president is ruling, and
41:51
Speaker 1: she also understands that well fifty percent of the country
41:54
Speaker 1: really loves her, the other fifty percent despises her. She
41:57
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that. She just wants to keep
41:59
Speaker 1: a wond I think, the life of luxury. So the
42:01
Speaker 1: truth is, it's not that America eat ready, It's that
42:05
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama eat ready. She is going to continue doing
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Speaker 1: what she's doing.
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Speaker 4: Exactly well expressed as ever, Christen, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: We'll catch you next week.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, America is not ready for her. We've got to
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Speaker 3: take a break.
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Speaker 4: Susio Brian and Stephen Senatiempo will join me. We'll talk
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Speaker 4: about whether the new South Wales Liberal leader could be
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Speaker 4: the next one to fall off the cliff. Let's got
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Speaker 4: to the panel now with Susi O'Brien US Corps National
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Speaker 4: Education Edit.
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Speaker 3: So she joins us from Melbourne and from Canberra.
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Speaker 4: We're joined by Radio two Double see Breakfast host Stephen
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Speaker 4: Senna Tiempi.
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Speaker 3: Thanks both for joining us.
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Speaker 4: Why don't we start in Melbourne, Susie, because they've got
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Speaker 4: a new opposition leader there, the third one in less
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Speaker 4: than twelve months, thirty five years old, fresh face.
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Speaker 3: What's the gimmick here? What did Brad Baton do wrong?
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Speaker 3: What's Jess Wilson going to do better?
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Speaker 24: Well? One of the things that Bratt Badden did was
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Speaker 24: to focus solely on crime and as soon as the
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Speaker 24: government brought in this, you know, some of the most
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Speaker 24: draconian measures in history. I mean, it made him a
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Speaker 24: one trick pony that was almost obsolete, and he just
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Speaker 24: didn't turn things around in terms of the polls. Jess
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Speaker 24: Wilson first female leader for the lives in this state.
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Speaker 24: She's whip smart, she's impressive, she's sensible, she's wise, she's kind.
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Speaker 1: I dealt with her a lot.
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Speaker 24: When she was Education opposition and she's great and you know,
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Speaker 24: if anyone can do it, it's her. And it's a
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Speaker 24: disgrace that that took them so long to end up
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Speaker 24: choosing her. It's because she's a moderate and you know,
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Speaker 24: there's some people who don't want to see her succeed.
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Speaker 24: But I really wish her all the best, and I
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Speaker 24: think she's starting or ready to focus on things like
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Speaker 24: the economy over solely crime and pointing out, for example
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Speaker 24: that you know the deficity is costing US two.
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Speaker 1: Million dollars an hour.
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Speaker 24: She keeps that up, she's got a chance next year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was really big on the economy today.
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Speaker 4: Here's how she fronted up in Parliament for her first
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Speaker 4: question time as leader.
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Speaker 16: Between now and the end of question time, the Labor
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Speaker 16: Government's debt will have increased by two million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Premier. Is this debt increased sustainable? Q Speaker?
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Speaker 11: And I thank the latest leader of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 11: for her question today.
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Speaker 4: There we go, now, Stephen, We'll see how she goes.
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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of talk that Mark Speakman, the
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Speaker 4: Liberal leader in New South Wales, might be for the
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Speaker 4: high jump later this week.
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Speaker 25: Yeah, and he should be too. I mean today they
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Speaker 25: had their party room meeting where they decided that they
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Speaker 25: were going to keep their net zero targets despite the
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Speaker 25: fact that the Federal Party has gone in the other direction,
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Speaker 25: and they use some dodgy polling to actually drive that.
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Speaker 25: I spoke to Wendy Tuckham and the member for Golden
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Speaker 25: earlier this morning on my program, and she pointed out
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Speaker 25: that the polling was done back in June and it
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Speaker 25: suggested that her electorate is in favor of maintaining net zero,
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Speaker 25: when the outcry again the wind and solar installations that
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Speaker 25: are being put all over her electorate doesn't seem to matter.
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Speaker 25: And I think we need to look at the methodology
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Speaker 25: of the polling that is driving our politicians lately and
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Speaker 25: ask the right questions, not say do you support net zero?
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Speaker 25: Ask the question do you support net zero or do
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Speaker 25: you support action on climate change because they're not the
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Speaker 25: same thing, or do you support neither? But we never
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Speaker 25: get that answer, so we end up getting these skewed results.
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Speaker 25: And look, Speakman should never have been the leader in
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Speaker 25: the first place. But unfortunately the two contenders are afraid
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Speaker 25: to put their hand up and I think both of
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Speaker 25: them know that regardless if they take the leadership, they'll
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Speaker 25: probably lose the next election anyway.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's been a high, high profile.
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Speaker 4: Resignation from the Liberal Party today from somebody well known
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Speaker 4: to Sky and News View as the former senator Holly
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Speaker 4: Hughes has just resigned live on air A two GB
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Speaker 4: have a.
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Speaker 26: Listen, decided today that I had to resign from the
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Speaker 26: Liberal Party. It is absolutely a rebel. I have all
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Speaker 26: the support in the world for Susan Lee. I think
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Speaker 26: she is doing an outstanding job. But there are some
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Speaker 26: people who are completely inept, who are lazy, who are
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Speaker 26: not across the details. And I'm not going to do
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Speaker 26: what some former parliamentarians have done is stay in the
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Speaker 26: party yet snipe from the sidelines. I now commentate, I
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Speaker 26: come on and I talk to you, and I want
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Speaker 26: to be able to say what I want to say
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Speaker 26: without being restricted by party rules. I don't think the heading,
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Speaker 26: the direction that some people want to take the party
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Speaker 26: is reflective of Mensie's values anymore.
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Speaker 4: There we go, Holly Hughes there today now, SUSI. One
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Speaker 4: of the things she pointed out was the contrast or
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Speaker 4: conflict in policies now between the federal coalition that opposes
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Speaker 4: net zero and state parties like the Liberals in New
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Speaker 4: South Wales saying they're going to stick with net zero
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Speaker 4: now Sarah Henderson just told me they're hoping they'll talk.
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Speaker 3: The state parties around.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they need to have consistency, don't they on
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Speaker 4: this crucial issue because it affects state and federal politics.
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Speaker 24: Well, look at Stephen's so fond of telling us, you know,
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Speaker 24: the party doesn't even know what it stands for itself,
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Speaker 24: and the voters meant to know. I mean, it's a
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Speaker 24: real problem because, as I was saying last week, this issue,
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Speaker 24: the net zero issue issue has become totemic. It stands
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Speaker 24: for people who support action on climate, even though there
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Speaker 24: are a lot of other things that people can do.
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Speaker 24: So the party needs to be united whatever it decides,
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Speaker 24: because at the moment, people don't know what the party
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Speaker 24: stands for, because the party stands for two completely different things.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk a bit about religion. You're not supposed to
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Speaker 4: go there, but I want to talk about two big religions,
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Speaker 4: the climate religion and the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church,
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Speaker 4: because they combined. Today, when the Pope send a message
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Speaker 4: to the cop Climate Summit.
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Speaker 27: The creation is crying out in floods, droughts, storms and
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Speaker 27: relatedous heat. One in three people live in Great vulnerability
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Speaker 27: because of these climate changes. To them, climate change is
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Speaker 27: not a distant threat. To adore these people is to
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Speaker 27: deny our share of humanity.
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Speaker 4: Stephen Pope Leo channeling Gretit Tomberg. He's going to stop it,
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Speaker 4: doesn't he.
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Speaker 25: Look, you know, Chris, I said this to another conservative
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Speaker 25: Catholic friend of mine the other day that I expect
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Speaker 25: our priests to be a bit lefty because they've got to,
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Speaker 25: you know, think about the poor and look after the downtrodden,
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Speaker 25: et cetera. A shout out to Father Josho watches every night.
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Speaker 25: He's not one of them. But look, I'm okay with
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Speaker 25: the Pope getting involved in this stuff. At the end
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Speaker 25: of the day, the climate change religion is going to
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Speaker 25: follow it's God rather than the real God.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, Oh Susan, didn't God give us the Great flood
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Speaker 4: to fix up humanity?
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Speaker 3: And aren't they also threatening fire? And Britainstone?
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Speaker 4: I mean, he should be all into this climate of armism.
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Speaker 24: But you know, this is about the Catholic Church trying
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Speaker 24: to be relevant to younger people, and this is what
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Speaker 24: this is the issue that politicians are facing. Younger people
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Speaker 24: support action on climate change, whether it's net zero or whatever.
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Speaker 24: So they're just playing to playing to the crowd. Interestingly,
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Speaker 24: you know this week, you know there's research that's come
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Speaker 24: out and said that it should stop being at jamboree
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Speaker 24: and look much more closely at implementation. A real groundswell
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Speaker 24: of criticism. Some people say it's just a big talk
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Speaker 24: fest and others say it's not doing enough.
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Speaker 4: Well, I damn well hope Australia wins the bid because
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Speaker 4: then we can do the whole show for a couple
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Speaker 4: of weeks out of Adelaide and show everyone what a bloody,
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Speaker 4: useless jamboree it really is. Thanks for joining us, Susie
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Speaker 4: and Stephen. We'll catch you next week. We've got to
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Speaker 4: move on. Peter Cradla will be with you in just
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Speaker 4: a moment. I'll see you tomorrow night.