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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 2/22/24 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Mooser, Lombardi and Kane. All right, let's send out to ramos Law
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  com. And we are joined now by Jeff Lakewalld of ESPN dot com.
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  Hi, Leggy, how are things? How are you good? Uh?
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  We're just trying to parse some things out here of this Broncos offseason and a
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  couple of things, you know. Paul Allen, the Vikings play by play
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  voice, was on a podcast talking about how Sean Payton seems to be enamored
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  with JJ McCarthy. But we've heard this about multiple quarterbacks. Do you trust
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  anything that comes out this time of year because this is NFL lying season.
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  I've always called it the lion season. But uh, you know, it
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  depends who tells me. I guess is how I praise it. The folks,
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  and even folks I've known for thirty some years. We'll stretch the truth
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  a bit before the draft. Sometimes so depends who tells me. I refuse
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  over the years to believe much of the so and so is enamored with so
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  and so, especially from a coach. Most coaches don't even get involved in
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  the draft tape until January, you know, mid January, late January.
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  So to become enamored in two weeks is a little bit of a stretch for
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  me. Now, after the combine, you start to hear things, you
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  know, as people sit down face to face, especially quarterbacks. The combine
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  is the first chance for coaches to put quarterbacks either on the white board or
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  to let them look at the video and really go over some specific things.
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  Know better than anybody because this is your business. These are some major high
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  stakes the world of NFL drafts and who you're enamored with and so on.
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  This kind of information two months before the draft does not get out. Jobs
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  are at stake, big money, the future of many people's careers. Trust
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  me, and I know you know this. No one's John Payton's not walking
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  around Vegas during Super Bowl week telling people I love me some JJ McCarthy.
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  No matter who it is, that stuff doesn't happen. It also could be
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  subterfuge. You've seen that before, haven't you. Hey, let's let people
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  know we like this guy and then run the end around. Oh yeah,
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  no. It's one of the Broncos' biggest was when the year they drafted Klady
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  they kept bringing the running back in over and over for visits and medicals and
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  all the rest of it, and you know, the running back eventually went
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  to Carolina. I'm having a little senior moment with the name. But uh,
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  but that's that's one of the biggest Yeah, that's done all the time.
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  You know. Now, when teams are in the war room during the
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  draft weekend, you will have coaches and personnel people think they know what a
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  team's gonna do because they've they believe they have information like that. But at
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  this point, this is way too early. I mean, the Senior Bowl
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  is kind of a gossip capital of the world too. So some of this
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  is like the telephone game. Somebody says during practice, hey, I like
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  those three throws in the seven on seven period, and a week later it
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  becomes enamored with you know, yeah, no, So that's some of that
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  is happening too. A lot of people are at the Senior Bowl, a
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  lot of people are mingling at the Senior Bowl, and a lot of things
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  get sad, and you know, a couple of weeks later, it's it
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  turns into something it wasn't when it was said. By the way, Jonathan
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  Jeff is who are you looking for? Yeah, that's it. Jonathan's that's
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  the guy. Are you are you go ahead? Much? Rock? I
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  apologize? Are you preparing to go to the Underwear Olympics? Is your ticket
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  booked? Are you ready to go? It? What? It starts in?
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  What? Four days or something like that? I believe Tuesday is the
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  first official day, but a lot of people but yeah, no, it's
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  uh. I'd hate for I like to believe they can't have it without me,
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  but I know that's not the case. How many how many years straight
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  for you at the combine? Though? How many? How many years in
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  a row? Is this? Or how many of how many decades? Nineteen
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  eighty seven was my first combine, the first one in Indy. I've been
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  to all of them since Lakey. Can I give you you? Just tell
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  me if I'm being way too I guess hyper focused on something because it started
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  with Sean Payton. Of course, you're going to bring in guys from your
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  old regime that you trust, Okay, and then there's more that's coming over
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  this year with Pete Carmichael and et cetera. When you hear like Sean Payton's
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  looking for the next Drew Brees. Is there too narrow of a net on
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  this stuff? Can you really replicate the success from a previous team when so
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  many different things are happening in your division? Like Mahomes? If you want
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  to find the next Drew Brees, but Lamar Jackson a clone of him is
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  at twelve, would you pass on that because it's not the skill set that
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  you like. You would hope teams wouldn't be so close minded, But it
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  does happen in the NFL. Do you think Peyton's that way? Well,
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  I mean, if you're getting rid of Russell Wilson, there is a bit
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  of that going on. I mean, can I've asked, I mean,
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  can anyone honestly say the Broncos committed, fully committed the playbook to Russell Wilson?
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  I would say no. I would say the quarterback, yes, has
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  shortcomings. Russell has shortcomings. Russell has things he needs to change to work
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  on, et cetera. But they're still not gonna have a better quarterback than
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  him in twenty twenty four. So is there a worst going on? Is
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  there a world? Because they have to pay him regardless, they got to
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  pay him next year. No matter what I brought this up earlier this week.
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  If they said, Okay, we'll pay you hang around. We're not
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  gonna let you go get another job, We're not gonna cut you next year.
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  We're gonna pay you. We're gonna pay you, You're gonna hang around.
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  And if they did that, obviously it would prohibit him from continuing his
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  career and reviving his career, so he probably won't be happy with that.
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  The Broncos are looking at it as why not keep him around? If he
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  really wants out, then maybe he'll play ball and restructures, find a way
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  to get out of it for lesser money. Could that happen? You know,
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  if you're the Broncos, you want to threaten that, if you want
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  him to play ball with you, you know, say. I think a
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  lot of the the discourse from the Broncos, especially Sean Payton's choreographed tour super
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  Bowl week, was to me to keep some semblance of trade value on the
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  table that they might keep him. I look, I haven't spoken to Russellson
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  shortly after the season, but I have spoken to many people who are close
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  to him, and he doesn't think he's coming back. He doesn't think that
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  scenario is going to happen, and if any you know, I stood in
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  the locker room and heard him talk about how much he wanted to raise his
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  family in that house, and he put the house up for sale. So
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  to me, in his mind, this is over. So But yeah,
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  until the Broncos make it official, we always have to give the sliver of
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  possibility to other things happening. But I do think a lot of what's been
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  said, you know, only the Broncos have said he'd be amenable to coming
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  back. We haven't heard any of that sourced in any way from you.
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  If you have to pay him anyway, who cares. If he's happy about
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  it, who cares? What does that Sam? He didn't bench himself,
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  Vic, I mean the Broncos were obviously done with him already. They set
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  this table themselves. So to go back now and say, oh, never
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  mind, uh, I think that would be something that Broncos aren't willing to
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  do. Jeff, I'm gonna let the Great Brent Kaine say it, but
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  we've tried to laid out to Vic for the last two days in a row
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  and he just won't listen. Brett put it as succinctly as you possibly can.
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  They hate each other. They hate him, he hates them. There
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  is hate. Bye. That's that. You can't be any more clear than
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  that. Figure you come up with all these scenarios these well what if they
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  what if they threatened to bench him and they put them in the quarterback room
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  but they made them sit away from the other quarterbacks in the corner and really
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  try to stick it to them. It doesn't do anybody any good. May
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  the money and be done. But Jet's been around the league a long time.
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  There are people that hate each other that still work together all that time.
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  Yeah, that I would never say that. That means never that.
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  There are plenty of people that won Super Bowls that didn't speak to each other.
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  So I mean that's that's that stuff goes on all the time. Yes,
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  But my opinion, Vick is the Broncos have made their decision and but
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  are trying to even though there may be a one percent or a half a
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  percent chance that they can alleviate some of this financial pain. I think they're
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  trying to figure out a way to do that. Could you find a trade
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  partner if you foot some of the bill or most of the bill, you
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  know, any of that stuff. I think they're trying to alleviate as much
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  of the pain as they can because they know it's going to be painful,
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  and they still are poised to do it. I mean, it's easy to
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  forget right now. But I mean George Peyton right after the season said it
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  will be an extreme move. That was the word he used, extreme,
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  and it is. It's the most extreme move any team's ever made with a
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  quarterback. So but if you were going to keep him around, you wouldn't
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  have benched him. I mean, they scored sixteen and he stood there and
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  watched them score sixteen and fourteen points, two of their four lowest scoring games
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  of the season, after being told he was the problem. So, uh
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  yeah, I don't Yeah, it could work, but I don't see it
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  happening right now, And until somebody I trust tells me differently. That's gonna
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  be my view on this. Is there a hate him he hates them?
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  Is there? Any way? Though? Because I was reading that the cap
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  which goes up almost every year, the exception of the COVID stuff and everything
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  else, but almost every year the cap goes up, it's gonna make a
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  pretty sizable jump. It was a shade under two twenty five million this year,
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  and some reports have it as close as like two hundred and fifty around
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  two hundred and fifty million. If you take like a twenty to twenty five
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  million dollar jump in the cap, that should at least ease some of the
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  problems of the money you're losing. But the problem is other teams are now
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  taking advantage of the extra money that you can't. Right, Well, here's
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  the deal. This is all you need to know about how painful this is
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  going to be. When, if, and when they release him. Their
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  quarterback room costs forty two million dollars against the cap, and they will have
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  one player Jared Skiddham in that room. Oh my lord, So don't tell
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  me, you know, I'm so tired of hearing people, even on this
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  station say all the salaries to save us the dead money. Bab blah blah.
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  No, the quarterback room's at forty two million the minute he's gone,
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  and you have one player in the room, Jared Stidham. So you tell
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  me that when the quarterback's room is over fifty approaching sixty million, that that's
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  helping you win. Yeah, Well, can you help us though, because
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  we've been wondering this for a couple of weeks and we don't have an answer
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  to this. Uh, definitively yes yet. So we know the money that
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  counts against the cap for the Broncos. But for Russell's money that he gets
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  to take home, he's going to be owed. What's the numbers again,
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  VICTI, you remember the thirty nine million dollars next year? Thirty nine million
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  next year? Does he get that money or yes? Okay, yeah,
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  no dead money? No the year after sorry, what about next year?
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  The year after twenty five money? Does he get that money or is that
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  just paper trail money that the Broncos have to run from that cap? My
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  understanding is paper trail the guaranteed money left on the deal right now if he
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  if he was on the roster at certain dates, more guaranteed money kicks in
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  and all of that stuff. That's what we're wanting. It's why dead money
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  is different. Yes, you can adjust the salary cap, and yes you
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  can fix some contracts and all of that. I get that, But dead
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  money is a different thing. And they already have almost ten million dead money
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  on the books that people are not talking about because they got tired of Randy
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  Gregory, just like they got tired of Russell Wilson. So they are have
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  to quit signing guys they get tired of, or they're going to have to
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  figure out a way to keep them. I think I think my I think
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  my life goal from this point on, Cater Jeff, I think my life
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  goal would be somebody's dead money. Okay, I just I just want to
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  be somebody's dead money. Just find a way, find a way for me
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  to be dead money on somebody's salary cap. You know, just work me
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  in there, just a little bit, whatever, whatever it takes. I'll
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  be out of your site. You know, you have to look at me,
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  don't talk to me. I'll just be dead money. Let me put
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  this. When the Rocky Mountain News said see you later to all of us,
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  I didn't get any damn money, so that didn't count against their cap.
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  Yeah, exactly. Well, technically is it all money dead? It's
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  not alive. It's just a piece of paper. It's it's it's a digital
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  transaction, So money is dead to begin with. Money is inviserable to me?
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  Who are you kidding? Like, like, I gotta tell you something.
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  I'm going to use this for the rest of my life. Now here's
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  the free agency goal. You guys, ready, all the gms in the
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  league, pay attention and heed the words of Jeff Lagweld. Stop signing guys,
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  you get tired of there? How does that sound? I mean,
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  beautiful strategy. Here's the thing, if you know, I think one of
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  the most telling things I've uncovered in all of this messing around in the past
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  few weeks is the Broncos have made three draft picks inside the top forty five
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  picks in the last four drafts combined. Geez, geez, you want to
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  know why they're in trouble. That's it right there, and people want them
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  to send a boatload of picks to move up in the draft. Are you
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  kidding me? This team has made three picks inside the top forty five in
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  four drafts and they don't have a second rounder this year, so the total
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  is going to be four picks inside the top forty five in the last five
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  drafts. So you tell me the quick solution that's waiting out there for the
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  local franchise. Jeff Blakewell, the ESPN I commy joins us every Thursday.
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  Thank you, leg you always appreciate the time. Always never sign people you
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  get tired of that's the bottom it exactly, and trying to be somebody,
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  try to be somebody's dead money. Ups. Yeah, I'm over for one,
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  so I can't talk about that. I see it leg all right.
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