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Forgiveness After Betrayal · Relationship Talk Thursday

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Speaker 1: Ready to get back into relationship talk Thursday with the
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Speaker 1: power couple of the Glenn's pastors, Jamon and Erica Glenn.
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Speaker 2: How many books have you guys written, because.
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Speaker 3: A lot?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the books all on four on relationships, right Yeah, okay, cool,
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Speaker 2: So you got.
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Speaker 4: spent when it's fifty something episodes where we.
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Speaker 2: Talk all time.
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Speaker 3: It's very, very transparent.
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Speaker 2: So this is not new to them. As I just
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Speaker 2: didn't pulled somebody to be on the radio. This is
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Speaker 2: you know, they're qualified. They have been a sign for
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Speaker 2: such a time as this. All right, so we want.
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Speaker 1: To talk about a deep topic.
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Speaker 2: I much needed topic.
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Speaker 1: As we were talking off air and you says this
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Speaker 1: is happening a lot. Can a relationship survive after betrayal?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we believe that it can survive after betrayal, after infidelity.
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Speaker 5: It's just has to be very It has to be strategic.
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Speaker 5: It can't be something that is just kind of you know,
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Speaker 5: we're gonna deal with it when we when we can.
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Speaker 2: It has to have a strategy.
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Speaker 5: It has to be consistent, it has to have I
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Speaker 5: won't say questioning, but questions because we have to ask
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Speaker 5: ourselves how did we get here? And people have to
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Speaker 5: make a decision. They have to make a decision that
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Speaker 5: they want their marriage, that they want their spouse, and
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Speaker 5: behind that decision comes some intentionality that happens.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and not only infidelity, even though we kept running
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Speaker 4: into that one, a big one, But betrayal is man
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Speaker 4: betrail happens before infidelity, right, So people think that infidelity
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Speaker 4: is where that's actually like the that's not the source,
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Speaker 4: that's the symptom, symptom, you know, that's the that's an
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Speaker 4: action or an attribute. But there's a lot of people
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Speaker 4: that haven't had infidelity that still feel like they've been betrayed,
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Speaker 4: betrayed from honesty, vulnerability, trust, security protection, information, hiding, manipulation,
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Speaker 4: lack of sex, lack of meeting my needs, lack of
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Speaker 4: being honest, being being truthful, being transparent, coming coming forth
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Speaker 4: with being forthright, you know, with information. So we always
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Speaker 4: go right to infidelity to think that that's the ultimate betrayal,
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Speaker 4: and for some people in may, but for other people,
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Speaker 4: there's other betrayals that's happening that people don't think are
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Speaker 4: as big.
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Speaker 3: That's really eating.
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Speaker 4: At the fabric of your relationship and deteriorating the relationship
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Speaker 4: on the inside out.
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Speaker 3: And by the time infidelity has taken place long ago.
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Speaker 4: You had an emotional affair long before you had an
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Speaker 4: actual affair. You had a relationship with somebody that you
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Speaker 4: trusted and told your truth more than you told your spouse.
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Speaker 4: Somebody else was got got the good news first because
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Speaker 4: you know, they responded to you in a certain way
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Speaker 4: and you just were drained, so you were an autopilot
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Speaker 4: in your own relationship. Because it betrayal happens and it's
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Speaker 4: never communicated and never fought to restore. Then people think
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Speaker 4: the ultimate betrayal is in fidelity. I'm not gonna rank
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Speaker 4: it because that's based on every relationship, but I will
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Speaker 4: say that there's many betrayals that people don't discuss that
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Speaker 4: are bigger than the one everybody's focused because the question
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Speaker 4: is if we got there, how did we get that?
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Speaker 3: I'm sure those baby steps that exactly exactly.
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Speaker 4: You know, the scripture says not to be preachy, but
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Speaker 4: this is a gospel radio show. Proverse twenty eight and
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Speaker 4: thirteen says that whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,
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Speaker 4: and whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the
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Speaker 4: one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy. And so
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Speaker 4: in our relationship we talk about we don't have secrets
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Speaker 4: like we transparently, honestly from history to now, we don't
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Speaker 4: have any secrets among each other. But that because we
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Speaker 4: can be trusted with each other without feeling insecure, without feeling.
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Speaker 5: Like being brought up in a moment of vulnerability right
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Speaker 5: or in an argument and I'm about to bring this
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Speaker 5: back up that you shared with me. And when your
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Speaker 5: spouse doesn't feel secure, then they're not going to reveal
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Speaker 5: or tell you everything they're truth because most of the time,
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Speaker 5: what I tell women is that you know sometime if
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Speaker 5: a man is being if he's trying to be transparent
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Speaker 5: with you and he's trying to talk to you, he's
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Speaker 5: only going to tell you twenty percent of what exactly happens,
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Speaker 5: just to see what your reaction is going to be.
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Speaker 5: And if you start blowing up after the little bit
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Speaker 5: that he showed that he just revealed to you, he's
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Speaker 5: not going to tell and tell you anything else. So
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Speaker 5: you really, if he tells you something, just know since
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Speaker 5: it's only twenty percent he didn't even give you the
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Speaker 5: rest of it, because he's like, she can't even handle that,
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Speaker 5: and to me as an individual, not because I live here,
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Speaker 5: not because my husband does that. But I don't know
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Speaker 5: if I could even exist in a relationship where I
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Speaker 5: could not be transparent or trust the place that is
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Speaker 5: supposed to be my safe space.
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Speaker 2: I can't.
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Speaker 5: I can't. I can't tell you what I'm feeling without
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Speaker 5: you getting in your emotions, feeling a certain kind like
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Speaker 5: this is my feeling, this is about you, this is
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Speaker 5: not about you. And it's like that's a dangerous space
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Speaker 5: to be married and not be able to tell your
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Speaker 5: spouse everything. And I don't know, I think right, I
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Speaker 5: think when I got before I met my husband and
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Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to be married, I was like,
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Speaker 5: I need him to be able to tell me the
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Speaker 5: most uncomfortable things in the world, because I don't ever
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Speaker 5: want him to come out of this relationship looking to
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Speaker 5: find a space where he can be accepted.
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Speaker 4: But I think that's the speed of our relationship because
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Speaker 4: in intention, in the beginning, we were friends.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and some because we were.
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Speaker 4: Friends, I found myself confiding in you in a way
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Speaker 4: that I hadn't confided in anyone else. Speed or trust
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Speaker 4: was immediate. You was grown, You was be sure, you
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Speaker 4: were safe space. You didn't flinch. You understood that what
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Speaker 4: I was telling you, you could handle it, and even
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Speaker 4: and maybe you could handle it because it's like this,
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Speaker 4: this ain't my man. So maybe that's where it was
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Speaker 4: at the beginning, but it carried on in our relationship,
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Speaker 4: and I appreciate that friendship and that ability to be
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Speaker 4: to be transparent.
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Speaker 2: You guys are really passionate about it.
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Speaker 1: I hear the passion even when you communicated with each other,
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Speaker 1: there's a passion about talking about relationship.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really good, and you guys are passionate.
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Speaker 1: So I love that we're gonna come back and talk
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Speaker 1: about forgiveness versus reconciliation healing.
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Speaker 2: It actually takes time. It really does take time.
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Speaker 1: You know when a relationship has when there's betrayal and
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Speaker 1: infidelity in your relationship. We'll be back Relationship Talk Thursday.
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Speaker 1: We do welcome your questions and comments, so hit us
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Speaker 1: up right now. Inspiration thirteen ninety Family, It is Relationship Thursday.
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Speaker 1: I love the power the passion that's coming through today
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Speaker 1: from pastors Damon and Erica Glenn of New Life, And
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Speaker 1: I know you guys have really I'm quite sure you've
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Speaker 1: coached a lot of couples through betrayal and infidelity, and
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Speaker 1: so you can really speak to us about somebody listening
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Speaker 1: today maybe going through this and they're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: this thing out. Forgiveness versus reconciliation, what do you start
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Speaker 1: with this?
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Speaker 4: I mean, forgiveness is not an option, especially if you're
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Speaker 4: a believer, and even if you're not a believer. People
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Speaker 4: that are non believers, people that are non believers still
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Speaker 4: find a clean slate in forgiveness, Like who wants to
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Speaker 4: carry that? Who wants to be trapped in a prison
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Speaker 4: and realize you're the prisoner because of unforgiveness. So forgiveness
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Speaker 4: isn't really the option. Reconciliation that's what comes with the process.
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Speaker 2: I get it right.
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Speaker 4: So just because I can forgive you any relationship doesn't
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Speaker 4: mean I need to put you back in the same
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Speaker 4: space without pros that your behavior has change or your
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Speaker 4: belief system has changed. Not that I'm like testing you
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Speaker 4: or making you jump through hoops, but I do want
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Speaker 4: to be in a poster or position where I give
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Speaker 4: clear expectations and try to work towards a resolution that
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Speaker 4: proves that your behavior has changed, because no matter what
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Speaker 4: I tell myself, if I don't see a proof and
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Speaker 4: belief and proof and behavior of change, I'm not really
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Speaker 4: gonna let my shoulders down to relax in the context
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Speaker 4: of this relationship because I see the same patterns and
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Speaker 4: the same stuff. But I have to make sure I'm
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Speaker 4: not blaming you if I'm trapped in the old belief
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Speaker 4: system that thinks that you haven't changed or you won't change.
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Speaker 4: I gotta give you real parameters so I can give
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Speaker 4: you opportunity to prove that change in belief and behavior.
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Speaker 4: And I keep saying both because you can't behave beyond
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Speaker 4: your belief. The belief and behavior has actually changed as
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Speaker 4: we move towards reconciliation. But forgiveness, I four give you.
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Speaker 4: It's already done. I don't have to. I don't have
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Speaker 4: time to.
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Speaker 3: Know with that.
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Speaker 2: I gotta let that go.
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Speaker 4: People don't get through the first stage of forgiveness, let
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Speaker 4: alone reconcilia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that people, especially women.
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Speaker 5: I think for the most part, you know have this
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Speaker 5: place that you forgive. You know what they say, I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna forgive but I ain't gonna forget, you know what
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Speaker 5: I'm saying, I'm gonna forget what I'm gonna forget. And
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Speaker 5: there is a little true to that, you know. But
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Speaker 5: you know, forgiveness I found, you know, forgiveness with intelligence,
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Speaker 5: which which means that you know, I forgive you, but
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Speaker 5: I got to I might need to dumby down on
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Speaker 5: or or or kind of settle down on what I'm forgiving,
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Speaker 5: like what happened, what went on? And I think for
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Speaker 5: some people, I know that you are supposed to instantly forgive,
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Speaker 5: but I think when they have that difficulty or they
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Speaker 5: hidden up against that wall that they can't forgive, I
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Speaker 5: think it's because there are some other questions that they
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Speaker 5: might want to ask that they didn't ask. And so
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Speaker 5: it's right. And so it's like, you know, you get
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Speaker 5: at that place of forgiveness, something up and then on
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Speaker 5: top of that, exactly it's the trigger. It's the trigger
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Speaker 5: maybe from an old relationship or this is the same
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Speaker 5: thing that keeps happening to me versus you know. Yes,
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Speaker 5: but if you forgive this person and you're in this relationship,
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Speaker 5: it can go somewhere differently than than the other one.
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Speaker 5: But if you don't give that first initial forgiveness. With
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Speaker 5: intelligence being grown, being being sober minded and not being
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Speaker 5: emotional about it, you could you could get past the betrayal.
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Speaker 5: You can get past the infidelity. But you have to
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Speaker 5: be intelligent about this forgiveness giving exactly what am I
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Speaker 5: forgiving you for? And what are you deciding to not
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Speaker 5: do again? Because forgiveness well, repentance. I'm sorry, that's repentance.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry to take that off the table. That ain't
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Speaker 5: This is Jesus, that's Jesus exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's on me.
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Speaker 4: And I think people don't forgive because the other persons
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Speaker 4: other than repent it. Yep, there's a difference. So you
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Speaker 4: want me to forgive you, that's big of me, and
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Speaker 4: I can do that. But have you which means there's
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Speaker 4: a change in your belief and a change in your behavior.
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Speaker 4: Repentance is not forgiveness. Forgiveness does come from me, and
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Speaker 4: I can forgive you, But have you repented? Have you
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Speaker 4: decided to change your belief and your behavior, and then
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Speaker 4: we can have a reconciliation.
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Speaker 5: That's it's It's about what is your belief system?
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Speaker 4: Because because if I chase down, that's a great question,
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Speaker 4: because if I chase down your behavior without asking why
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Speaker 4: did you do it in the first place? What do
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Speaker 4: you believe about that? What made that okay? What made
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Speaker 4: that okay for you to hide money? What made that
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Speaker 4: okay for you to have a stash on the side?
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Speaker 4: Where'd you get that from? Right? Because you because are
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Speaker 4: you sorry because you got caught? Why are you sorry
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Speaker 4: because you realize it was wrong? Who taught you that behavior?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 3: Where did adam? Where are you? You know?
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Speaker 4: Who told you to hide yourself? Like I can see you?
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Speaker 4: Who told you to do it? Where did that idea
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Speaker 4: come from?
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Speaker 3: Who thought?
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Speaker 4: Who told you to have a work wife? Who thought
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Speaker 4: that you should have a work husband? Like why did
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Speaker 4: y'all get so cool that y'all was hanging out after
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Speaker 4: work and you was telling me you were still at work,
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Speaker 4: but y'all was really at dinner.
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Speaker 2: It's a whole card.
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Speaker 3: Who put her in your who said you should ride
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Speaker 3: with her? In your current? Who told you that that
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Speaker 3: was a good idea?
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Speaker 4: So you can I can forgive you for doing it,
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Speaker 4: but I really want to know why was you comfortable
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Speaker 4: enough to get How did you get there? Because if
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Speaker 4: you don't tell me what your belief system is around
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Speaker 4: the behavior you're gonna behave there again. So you're so
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Speaker 4: caught up in asking me to forgive you. I can
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Speaker 4: do that, but have you repented, because if you haven't
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Speaker 4: decided to change, repent, turn, turn from your WICKI ways,
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Uh, search your heart. If
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Speaker 4: you haven't decided to do that, we're gonna be here again.
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Speaker 4: It may be a different face in a different name,
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Speaker 4: but it'll be the same situation and we can't reconcile
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Speaker 4: unless you repent. But I can forgive you and I
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Speaker 4: can move on and go on.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's a good question, because we got a
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Speaker 1: question should you stay or walk away after infidelity?
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Speaker 2: How do you know the diction? We'll come back.
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Speaker 4: Oh she was like, well, we're gonna come back and
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Speaker 4: answer those questions on Relationship Talk Thursday.
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Speaker 2: It's raising thirteen ninety family. It's Relationship Talk Thursday.
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Speaker 1: The power couple is annoying to do what they're doing
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Speaker 1: today and all the time, this is what they do
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Speaker 1: pretty much all the time. Is a coach coach not counsel,
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Speaker 1: but they coach it gos and you know, whether married
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Speaker 1: or dating, and today is a great, great topic. I'm
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Speaker 1: learning a lot even as I'm listening about betrayal in
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Speaker 1: a relationship. How forgiveness is just not enough. Repentance definitely
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Speaker 1: has to come into play. And maybe that ties into
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Speaker 1: this question should you stay or walk away after infidelity?
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Speaker 1: How do you know the difference?
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Speaker 5: So, I mean, we already stated and agreed that your
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Speaker 5: marriage or your relationship can survive after infidelity, but I
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Speaker 5: think we don't talk enough about when people should walk away.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know it.
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Speaker 5: It breaks your heart, and we always tell people, you know,
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Speaker 5: do everything that you can, like everything that you can
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Speaker 5: to salvage your marriage, and it may take some time.
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Speaker 5: But I think that these are some reasons or maybe
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Speaker 5: some things that will help to well that kind of
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Speaker 5: help you decide if you should walk away. The first one,
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Speaker 5: if the partner doesn't apologize, they don't acknowledge their behavior,
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Speaker 5: they don't want to change, there's no repentance. Another one
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Speaker 5: is your partner won't agree to any kind of counseling,
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Speaker 5: not a life anybody's other, anybody who is wise and
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Speaker 5: smart to come in and to help and guide, because
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Speaker 5: you've gone this far together and that hasn't worked. And
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Speaker 5: so you need to bring someone with more wisdom and
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Speaker 5: guidance to help you. Another one is your partner doesn't
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Speaker 5: show a desire to put in the work for the relationship,
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Speaker 5: because one person cannot be in a marriage working and
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Speaker 5: the other person not work. Also, both of you have
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Speaker 5: to work together. The next one is your partner still
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Speaker 5: in contact with the other person. This is dealing with infidelity.
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Speaker 5: But if they're still there's no change. They're still talking
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Speaker 5: to them, they're still d ning them all of the
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Speaker 5: stuff that they were doing. And the last one is
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Speaker 5: your partner doesn't seem to commit to your relationship. If
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Speaker 5: they don't want the relationship. I don't care how much
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Speaker 5: you want it. If they don't want it. You can't
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Speaker 5: make anybody want you or their relationship. You can't make them.
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Speaker 5: You just can't. It's heartbreaking, But that person has to
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Speaker 5: make a decision. Like we said earlier, you know, I
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Speaker 5: think a couple of segments ago we talked about that
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Speaker 5: love is a decision and that you have to make
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Speaker 5: that decision. You have to make the decision to be
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Speaker 5: in your relationship and to love your partner.
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Speaker 4: That th ain't hurt, babe, But you're right. I can't
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Speaker 4: even disagree. You know, I'm an inecessor for a marriage.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to see it fail. I don't want
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Speaker 4: to see it break up. I want you to fight
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Speaker 4: for it. I want you to be engaged and invested.
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Speaker 4: But I can't say nothing but amen. So please don't
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Speaker 4: do anything that she said, like, do not be so
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Speaker 4: unwilling to do those things that are necessary. If you
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Speaker 4: the one that caused the infraction, then get to work.
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Speaker 4: Don't be standing there like like you got a leg
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Speaker 4: to stand on if you called the infraction. You got
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Speaker 4: to do the work if you believe in your relationship,
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Speaker 4: because everything she just said is one hundred percent legit
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Speaker 4: reasons why you should walk.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's.
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Speaker 2: A great question. Thank you so much for that. We
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Speaker 2: also welcome your questions.
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Speaker 1: There was another one that came in, have you ever
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Speaker 1: experienced infidelity? Asking you guys and then we'll come back
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Speaker 1: and answer that question and close out the show.
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Speaker 2: Pestic Glenn was.
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Speaker 1: About to say something, We're gonna hold hold that thoughts, sir,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back.
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Speaker 2: Relationship thirsday.
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Speaker 1: Men versus women, they handle it differently like the man
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Speaker 1: versus you know, the woman being betrayed or manly versus
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Speaker 1: like is there a different like most definitely, we.
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Speaker 3: Are not wired. We can't take it.
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Speaker 4: It's I mean, guys will cheat or have infidelity and
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Speaker 4: their wife or woman, there's an expectation almost that what
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Speaker 4: forgive me?
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Speaker 3: I ain't do not's the big deal.
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Speaker 2: It was just this say.
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Speaker 4: You know has taught women in some spect man gone cheat,
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Speaker 4: he gonna whatever. So there's a lolo low bar for him,
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Speaker 4: and he almost has an expectation that she should never
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Speaker 4: act the food that she gonna forgive him. But did
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Speaker 4: she do something? We're not wired for it. We're not
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Speaker 4: We can't comprehend somebody else was up in there, you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like what you mean, who's been
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Speaker 4: sleeping in my bed? You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: It's like you can't comprehend it.
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Speaker 4: And like me and my daughter was having this conversation
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Speaker 4: and I said, you know, unfortunately it's a man sexual
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Speaker 4: member is external, it's outside of his body. A woman's
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Speaker 4: sexual uh member is inside when you when you go in,
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Speaker 4: you're inside of her, like where her organs are, like
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Speaker 4: where she had babies with her womb. And so the
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Speaker 4: psychological impact of a dude, like somebody else was was
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Speaker 4: was there. I just think he can't. He's not wired
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Speaker 4: to that, you know, even but a woman, unfortunately, is
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Speaker 4: more wired to share in some cases than a man.
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Speaker 2: A man doesn't.
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Speaker 5: I mean, if I had been cheated on, it turned
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Speaker 5: me into, oh, I'm not gonna worry about being cheated on.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to do I'm gonna turn I'm going to
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Speaker 5: be the cheater. So that's what happened to me. I
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Speaker 5: just became I didn't and I was like, and I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna be honest. And it wasn't that I
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Speaker 5: became a cheater. I was an honest cheater, Like, don't
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Speaker 5: trip when you see me out with somebody. I'm just like,
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Speaker 5: you know, you're not the only one.
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Speaker 3: This one.
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Speaker 5: So I just after being cheated, I turned my I
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Speaker 5: turned it off. I turned that femininity off because I'm like,
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Speaker 5: I am going to play the game and I'm gonna
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Speaker 5: win every single time.
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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, it's a lot of hard women out here
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Speaker 4: because they've been mishandled and so they got such a
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Speaker 4: big star.
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Speaker 3: Affront that is chipping away.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember when I began to love my
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Speaker 4: wife and I was like, yo, which version of you
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Speaker 4: is the real you? Because some days I get the soft,
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Speaker 4: nurturing woman I want to spend the rest of my
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Speaker 4: life with, and the other days I get this hard
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Speaker 4: exterior that I'm not attractor and do not want to
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Speaker 4: spend the rest of my life. And whichever one is
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Speaker 4: the real you, I need you to show herself now
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Speaker 4: because internally I'm making some decisions that I need to
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Speaker 4: know which version is. And she was honest to say,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's just I've been mishandled and I don't
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Speaker 4: really know what this is and you won't define it.
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Speaker 4: So you want me to give you a side of
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Speaker 4: me that you haven't brought clarity to what this is.
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Speaker 4: So I go back and forth between wanting to be
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Speaker 4: my authentic self, which is softer, and then protecting myself
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Speaker 4: because you haven't defined it. So you get the harder
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Speaker 4: one some days, and I say, well, I don't mean
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Speaker 4: to provide you any fusion, but if I'm going to
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Speaker 4: make a decision, then I need to know which one
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Speaker 4: is the real you. So who's gonna trust who in
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Speaker 4: the space so we can get there Because unfortunately, because
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Speaker 4: women have been mishandled there's a lot of really soft,
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Speaker 4: sweet nurturing women on the inside that have a real
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Speaker 4: hard external cover on the outside, and they they they've
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Speaker 4: made a decision to.
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Speaker 3: I'm not doing any more.
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Speaker 4: We're married, we're together. Whatever happens with me happens with her.
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Speaker 2: Got it?
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Speaker 3: Thank you,