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Silicon Satan Author Cregg Lund Reveals Hierarchy of Satanists, Luciferians & Hawaiian Canibalism · Unleashing Intuition Secrets

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Hello everyone, it's Michael Jaco with Unleashing Intuition Secrets.
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We have Craig Lund back with us.
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The book is fantastic.
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If you have not read it yet, you need to get on it.
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Silicon Satan I listened to it on a trip down to Texas and back.
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Wow.
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Unbelievable.
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It's for adults only.
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My wife even couldn't listen to some of it but I was deeply intrigued by
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it, and we're gonna talk about it.
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Craig, thanks so much for coming back on.
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Thanks for having me.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad you read the book.
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Yeah.
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And like you said a lot of people can't get through it, and I can understand, but,
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I have a very inquisitive mind and I've been wondering about, these, the sa you
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basically map out the Satanic side and the Luciferian side, the hierarchy of that,
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and I thought that was very insightful.
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Yeah it's interesting because when the book first came out, people most of
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the responses get from people were, why did you write such an awful book?
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And now, today, because so much has happened the last few years, two years
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now, I get the responses more like yours.
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I'm glad I read this.
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It kinda explains a few things that, that are going on.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, a lot of deep insights and you start to see how this is woven
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through the fabric of society all the way through everything.
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And you, you outlined that, throughout the main characters
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their, how they grew up and they're exposed to a lot of this stuff.
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So that was very well done.
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Oh, thank you.
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Yeah.
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A lot of people ask me, why did I put so much backstory?
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And it's for that, that very reasons I had to explain why these people
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were making the decisions that they were making along the way.
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It wasn't casual decisions, it was, it.
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It was lifelong grooming, based on lifelong grooming.
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And a lot of the grooming wasn't, necessarily intentional.
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It's just the way our society has bent itself.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And you, you took a lot of, it had a, a lot of sex.
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And that's throughout society too.
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We saw this with Jeffrey Epstein and P Diddy and all these guys
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that are, doing all that stuff.
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Tell us a little bit how the sex works into this and how it captures people.
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There's a this idea that the rituals and all that were to
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enhance the sec sexuality of it.
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By the time you get to the rituals and such your sex life is so screwed
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up, your sex life has become so epic.
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So you know, off the charts that you're not going to the rituals
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and the orgies to watch somebody else on stage doing something.
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I don't know how many orgs you've been to, but being with
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just two girls is a lot of work.
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But, imagine being with a whole bunch and you're trying to wa and this idea
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that you're trying to watch a, a snuff film or a snuff stage act on stage.
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Now the the rituals involve sex mostly because it's as a humiliation factor.
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Especially as a loyalty.
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First it starts off with, you get a young guy like me, a young engineer, wants to
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take on the world, and, all of a sudden there's all these women and there was
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more women and then there's the, the origins and the rituals and the offers
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keep start coming in, and it's really easy to get hung into that hung up in that.
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Especially like I said, if you're, especially during those during that
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era, those the sixties and seventies and eighties, I grew up in the
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seventies, was born in, raised in the sixties, grew up in the seventies.
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That I reached Silicon Valley in the eighties and everything was
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just getting started back then.
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For example, the gravy ritual that you read about, they, we didn't call it the
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gravy ritual back then because it just, it hadn't really been established yet.
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It was going on a lot in Hollywood.
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So everybody knew about it.
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Everybody knew about the, everybody knew about the humiliation and loyalty rituals.
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But it, at the time it was, it just seemed like, it seemed okay, in
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retrospect it was, it was horrible.
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And I'm still dealing with it all these years later.
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But that was the whole, that was by design.
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Yeah.
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The the shock, the system, you're, you get coached in Oh yeah, you
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just sign your name here and yeah.
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Then you find out, it's oh my God.
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So that was one of the big oh my god moments in the book.
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But, there's many more meaning and it just builds on that.
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I don't, I have so many questions.
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I, I saw whether rituals started to go into the sex obviously.
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And then it gets into the rape and so forth.
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What is the humiliation again, but what is the bigger picture on that?
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On which what you talking about exactly?
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Raping, like raping someone that wants to enter into 'cause you have the safety.
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Yeah.
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And then as you start to move up the ladder, if you will, hierarch
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hierarchical ladder if you want to make it to the Luciferian high-end
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side, you're gonna have to go through some serious ritual of use,
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right?
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So it's in the book there's two different types of rape.
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There's the real rape or there, like the Hawaiians and stuff.
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And then, but then the rape that you're going through.
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And the rituals isn't exactly right because it's consensual.
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You can leave anytime you want.
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So you, so it's just, again, it's just part of getting you to make really
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bad decisions as you go through this process, because they what they want.
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And one thing I try to stress is you don't just show up in
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Silicon Valley or Hollywood and say, I'm here to sell my soul.
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Where do I sign?
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And then people show up and start, to buy it.
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It doesn't work that way.
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You have to show up and you have to you have to cultivate your own path.
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Pretty much.
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So there's a path in Silicon Valley, a billionaire path, at least a billionaire.
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A billionaire at least.
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And you see 'em all over the place.
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But once, once you stu or me, for me anyway, I just stumbled onto it.
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I like to say I forced gumped my way in.
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Yeah.
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And then you just start making decisions.
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You can stop anytime you want.
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Not anytime you want, you get to a point where it's really hard to get back out.
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It's like any club, any gang, any cult.
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It's really difficult to get back out.
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But yeah so rape, by that time you don't really look at it as rape.
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If you're doing it for somebody or somebody's doing it to you,
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it's not really rape, it's more like just part of the process.
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It's just one of the necessary evils and there's a lot of people who enjoy it.
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But you move on, you move beyond that, if you're one of those people
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that enjoys that kind of thing, you're not gonna go very far.
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They'll weed you out right away.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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You can see that.
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So you're basically watched and they're, you're gonna go to these rituals,
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like the, I guess p Diddy and Epstein,
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right?
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And then they're gonna make they're gonna want you to do more and do other things,
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right?
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So you get, you start getting offers and invitations and you, again, you
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can say no and go the other direction.
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There's a lot of people that I know in Silicon Valley back then and
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even now who never were exposed to any of this because they didn't
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put themselves in that position.
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They weren't that desperate to be, rich and famous.
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They just wanted a career.
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And they had, that's what they got.
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They had a family and went to church on Sunday and they
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retired and they're doing fine.
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And then there's people like me and some of the others that you hear about
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now that, that want the whole world.
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And that's what they were after.
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And that's what they're, right now I see 'em, they're getting really
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close to their, they're really getting close to their goal of
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taking over the world, kicking God.
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They're never gonna be able to kick God.
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But that's their goal.
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That's what they wanted.
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That's that, it's not my goal.
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It's not what I believe.
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It's what they believe.
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They do believe that they can break into heaven.
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What other side of the veil, the other side of the firmament, the other side
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of whatever it is, do the dimensions.
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And there's a million different ways to describe it and kick out God, take
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takeover and live forever in, on their earth, on their version of the earth.
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Wow.
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That's what they believe.
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That's truly what they believe.
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And they're getting close.
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Everybody can see it.
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Yeah.
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They are getting close.
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And so this, that's the very great benefit of reading your book and
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seeing, their, how they do these things.
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And I was, I never could figure it out.
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And you ba you basically laid it all out.
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So it's very clear to me now, how this is throughout all society, like we were
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talking about political side and so forth.
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Now.
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I know you with Jerome Corsi.
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You did a show, I think it was Nino, and you guys talked about Obama's
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dinner with America's tech leaders,
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right?
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And I'm,
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That's how cor that's how Corsi and I got started.
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Actually.
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That's how the book got, that's how the book got started.
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I never said to write a book.
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It was his idea.
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I guess he's an author but anyway, go on.
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So here's all these people.
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It goes through all the different people that are there.
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Let's look at the they're basically toasting and they have Obama there.
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And we can kinda go through, lemme get to the point where it's got the big picture.
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So here's, I'm gonna circle Obama.
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He's right here.
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Larry Ellison.
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Who you guys said was basically the guy in charge.
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Tell us a little bit about this group.
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Yeah, I've never seen this article.
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This picture right here I had so it was way back when Q came around and
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of course he was doing the decodes on Patriot Soapbox or something like that.
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I was watching that, of course.
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Very interesting.
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And but they were getting it wrong.
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I could tell they're getting it wrong, and I've been, at that point,
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I had never talked to anybody about any of, I was still, I was hiding.
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I was still hiding.
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Yeah.
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And I decided to contact Corsi and set 'em straight on this, on what's
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going on with the tech titans and the dc So I sent him this picture and
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I said, this is not Obama's table.
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This is Larry Ellison's table.
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This is the night that they toasted the alliance, see the Lucy group
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up in and in groups of threes.
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And then the groups of threes group up in threes.
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So you have the.
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And it's strange, the way I figured this out is because I watch horses and
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horses do the same thing and people think the people have no idea what
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I'm talking about, but you have to be around a lot of horses to understand.
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But anyway, I could tell what was going on just by looking at this picture.
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So I contacted course and told 'em that I think that this is the night that they
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made the alliance, those that the least, the DC loosies and the tech leasees.
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Up until that point, the tech leases were still the geeks in the basement.
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And now look at 'em from this night forward, they've become world leaders.
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You know these tech titans?
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Wow.
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That's Impre, that's impressive.
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So he and I got to talking about, he, he's very, he was very
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good at getting me to open up.
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I'd never talked, like I said, I had never talked to anybody, barely even
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spoke to my wife about a lot of it.
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He got me to open up and then he said, we need to write a book.
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So it, but it took a long time for me to write that book because
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it was really difficult to do, it took six years to write it.
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But I'm glad I did and re for a while there I was wondering
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what the hell did I do?
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I got myself in a lot of trouble over it.
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But now that, people like you and others are starting to contact me
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and say, I think I understand now.
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I see what and now I'm glad I wrote it.
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Yeah.
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So I'm looking at this.
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So I'm gonna throw a little bit of my 2 cents in here.
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Okay.
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And see where you go with it.
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So it's got, Hennessy is the president of Stanford.
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Now, when I worked for the CAA for 11 years, I would say the great majority
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of the case officers, the CIE guys who are getting in Intel and so forth, were
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from Stanford or there were Mormons.
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So do you wanna speak on that?
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Okay.
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All I used to say, all roads lead to Stanford.
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In Silicon Valley.
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So this, you have Stanford and you have the Palo Alto Research Center.
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And that's where a lot of these, Google and Facebook, everything got started were
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in those complexes, those organizations.
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And the CIA was allowed to have their versions.
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MK Ultra is a, a small version of what the luc, what the loosies have, what they do.
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But that's a whole different conversation.
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But so yeah, the research part and Stanford if you look, Larry
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Ellison has a lot of connections to those two places as well.
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I'm sorry, I forgot what your question was.
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I was trying to,
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But basically the CIA connection to o obviously Stanford, but
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what the CIA connection is with.
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Ies.
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Yeah.
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So when I was there, the CIA guys, there was a couple CIA guys
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around, but they weren't a big play
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back
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then.
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I don't know if they even I suspect they are now.
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It was the guys, the really creepy guys behind the scenes who you
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had to watch out for the in the book it's the Malcolm character.
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And I modeled that particular character after Peter s
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Schick showed how you say that
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Peter struck,
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yeah.
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Whatever.
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It's
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yeah.
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So the
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fbi, so you brought good job.
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Oh yeah.
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Because when I was watching that guy going through the hearings he
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reminded me of a lot of these guys that I ran into a lot of these
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wow.
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The
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very arrogant and full of themselves.
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Yeah.
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And evil.
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You walk into the room with him and it just you're, you feel your
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spidey hairs go up, it's, there's something going on here with this guy.
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Stay away from him.
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Yeah.
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They had some pictures of him and he did look evil during his hearings on several
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occasions, may maybe he was sending out some some curses to people who knows.
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Who knows.
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Okay.
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Kinda Tim Walton, his wife trying to do, they were trying to do spell casting out
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that when, when they're out there getting everybody to weigh pens, they were spill,
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they were spell casting then up there.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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So that's cool to have your insights on all this.
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Now mark Zuckerberg is another so they're saying that I've heard from
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many sources and when I was in the CIA they basically alluded to the
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fact that they had created Facebook.
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What are your thoughts?
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Yeah, I'm sure they did.
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Yeah.
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Facebook and Google.
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I don't know.
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I didn't, Google's a better example because I remember as
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during that time there was only, there was a few search engines.
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There was something called Excite, and then there was Yahoo and some, a
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couple others and they're all pretty la and then all of a sudden Google
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came out of nowhere and as engineers, so Google to engineers, to us and
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mathematician Google is a number, right?
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It's the biggest motive.
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It's the highest number you can ever have.
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It's called Google.
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For some reason there's some weird story about some mathematician, his child.
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Anyway, so we really liked that system and we don't, we weren't
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really sure exactly who wrote, because we knew, everybody know that.
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Everybody knew everybody back then.
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It just kinda came outta nowhere.
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These guys who claimed it, nobody knew who they were.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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So yeah, then you start digging around and you find out, oh, okay.
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They never really created, they created something.
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They were given source code and they.
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Re-engineered it and re released it as something called Google.
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So somebody had created that, right?
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So the lease El Leasees never create anything.
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They never developed anything.
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They steal everything.
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Same with the CIA.
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So somebody developed it, so some engineer developed it and was showing
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it off, and then they got wind of it, took a look at it and said, yeah, this
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is what we need this is a good start.
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They say he paid this guy off or red scarfed him and then took over and
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claimed, it's a it, so it's not to scare anybody that No, this is pure organic,
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developed outta Silicon Valley killer app.
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You
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Wow.
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So a lot of, I'm
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sorry, each one of these people, but let's move to the big dog.
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Let's move to Larry Ellison.
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Larry Ellison got his start with the CIA as well,
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right?
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Yeah,
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he developed a program for the CIA and that's how he got his funding.
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That's how he got his start, and that's how he is gotten big.
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Now I can tell you, you perhaps know this, but I can tell the audience, the C doesn't
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necessarily care if there's money made.
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They want the control and they want the power.
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So they
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Exactly.
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They will come in with a business model, like a Google or Facebook
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or, Oracle, and they will pump money into it and get it big so
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that they can have a lot of control.
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What are your thoughts?
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You're exactly right.
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It's all about power and position and they're not, it's not healthy
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competition that you're seeing it, they're competing against each other.
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It's the different Lucy Clubs competing against the different Lucy clubs.
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I like to describe it as a Game of Thrones.
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So you got all these different houses.
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Battling to be number one, right?
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Yeah.
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And they're telling all their peasants that work for 'em that
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no, we're doing this for you.
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We're doing this so you can live better lives when you know
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when that's not true at all.
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They don't care.
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Same thing with all these guys.
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They don't really care.
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They're not doing this to make our lives better.
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In fact, they, they could, but they're, but our lives aren't, right?
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And they're getting worse.
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The higher, the more technology there is the more claustrophobic
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I start to feel right.
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I think a lot of people feel the same way as just closing in on us, yeah,
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definitely.
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Definitely.
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A lot of this stuff could be really helpful.
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Very helpful.
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It was supposed to be when we developed it, that's what we thought we were doing.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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I was gonna ask you that, you had high ideals, when I was in the
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C-I-D-C-I-A, I had high ideals, and then I started to see there's these
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very corrupt people behind the scenes.
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Some of them I saw it was obvious they were like reptilian.
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Yeah.
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They had the slit eyes when they get angry, and they would look at me
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if I, asked 'em the wrong question.
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And they get that slit eye and I could see 'em getting big.
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And I was like, whoa.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I'll back down.
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Okay.
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No.
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Cool.
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We're cool.
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What are your thoughts?
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Yeah, so I, I run into those guys all the time, but they don't but because I'm
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a small guy, they don't puff up for me.
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They try to intimidate me through, psychological or emotional angles more.
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But yeah, those people are all over the place and I'm seeing 'em more and more.
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I'm seeing 'em.
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I used to see people that I thought were just the creepiest looking people.
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And you never saw me any place.
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But now I'm starting to notice that that look is starting to
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come out all over the place.
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It's the same look that Oprah has now, and Kelly and her Osborne or Sharon Osborne.
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Somebody put out a photo of some of the richest women and they're
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all developing that same look.
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And I think it's because they're doing what they were doing in silicon.
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They're changing them.
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They're physically changing themselves.
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They're doing so many rituals and doing so many terrible things that
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it you're gonna see physical changes.
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Mostly you're changing, they're changing their spirit and their
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soul, but it's gonna manifest into, noticeable physical changes.
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So they're trying to normalize that.
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So we get used to it and accept seeing these weirdos on the street.
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They got, this whole idea of popula population depopulation is true
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because they, there's too many of us.
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They, but they need a remint, they need a healthy remnant because this realm that
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we live in the energy source is humanity.
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Every, everything is based on humanity.
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The literature are, that's all humanity and they can't, they got,
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they have to keep that around.
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They have AI right now trying to mimic it, but that's not gonna work.
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They tried to dumb down the art world with paintings like Polock, so we would
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accept the crap that AI could come up with, but they're realizing, no,
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we need to we need real honest to God artists in our future because it ke
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otherwise they're gonna get bored too.
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Yeah.
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So their future, the future that they envision is this utopia where, this
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is, you see it all over the place.
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It's it's in all our stories.
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It's in all our sci-fi.
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That's, that truly is their vision.
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Where we, they have a bunch of slave humans who are, basically
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happy and healthy, but they're in complete control of everything.
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And God is not here anymore.
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God is gone.
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Yeah.
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They are the gods.
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That's where the creative side comes from.
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You would think they would like, at least allow some of that, like a guy
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like you, I think they probably brought you in because you're incredibly,
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you're a genius incredibly talented and, can develop all kind of stuff.
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And you were attracted to, developing yourself and realizing this.
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And then they were like, they slowly started to, tempt you and pull you in.
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Tell us how that went.
18:31
It's not like there's a group of people that are standing around
18:33
waiting for guys like me to show up.
18:35
It's like I said you cultivate your own path while you're there.
18:37
And if you're good in a particular area or a particular, you have to work,
18:41
you have to produce when you're there.
18:43
You can't just show up and, sign a contract in your own
18:45
blood and you're good to go.
18:47
Yeah.
18:47
You have to produce, you have to.
18:49
And so I had a knack for it.
18:49
I had a real knack for technology and math and physics and so as you
18:54
are weeding your way down this path, and you go to this function, or this
18:59
orgy or this ritual, then, and you do you impress the right people.
19:03
And it's not like you even know who to impress.
19:05
And it's not like they know it either.
19:06
So sooner or later you get an offer and it's an offer that no, that
19:09
and nobody else would get, right?
19:11
So you take that offer and now you make a little bit more and more
19:14
money, and then it keeps happening.
19:16
It keeps happening pretty soon.
19:17
You're so deep that you start accepting, the whole kind, the whole world as
19:23
being, their whole, I mean their whole world as the norm and everybody
19:26
else is the ones that screwed up.
19:27
It's like you feel like you're special, right?
19:29
Yeah.
19:29
And then you get to a point though, most people would.
19:35
You get to a point where you go, oh, I don't know what I'm doing anymore.
19:38
This is, I gotta get outta here.
19:40
I and when they won't let you, that's when you get really scared.
19:43
That's when I got really worried.
19:44
It's like when I realized, oh, they're threatening me if I leave.
19:49
Yeah.
19:49
Yeah.
19:49
It took a while to get out.
19:51
So tell us the difference between the Satanists, which are basically the puppets
19:57
of the Luciferians and the Luciferians.
20:00
What how does that system work?
20:03
So I called them the loosies and I probably should have called 'em something
20:05
different because it makes too much of a a connection to the Luciferians.
20:10
And the reason why I did that is because their religion
20:13
by Elton John, Lucy, and the guy with Diamond.
20:15
So that's it's
20:16
Lucifer.
20:16
Yeah.
20:17
Lucy all over the place, right?
20:18
The word Lucy was Lucy.
20:19
That's Lucy.
20:20
That, but the El Luciferians that I, the people that I ran into, I didn't know,
20:23
I didn't know what El Luciferian at Ulti or Illuminati was back then, right?
20:27
Yeah.
20:27
The people that I was running into, they don't really worship.
20:31
They don't, it's not like eyes white shut kind or wise Yeah.
20:34
Eyes white shut.
20:35
They don't put on long robes and go in and chanting all that.
20:38
I think Hollywood does that to make it seem like there's more to it than there.
20:41
I mean that if you don't see that, then you're not seeing what they're doing.
20:45
If that makes sense.
20:46
But they, their religion or the way they think is really
20:49
in, in line with the Mormons.
20:51
So they like the Mormons.
20:52
They believe that there's two gods.
20:54
There's an unknown God, a higher God, an unknown God.
20:56
And then there's two sons, and the good Son, the bad son.
20:59
We got the bad, our God, the aa, the one that the Christians and pray
21:03
to is the bad God and their God.
21:06
And they call him Hoston.
21:07
I think that's, I'm not sure what that means.
21:08
I think it's a Jew, a Hebrew term or something.
21:10
But they were calling him Hoston, not Lucifer.
21:13
I, in the ridge I did call it Hasan, but the editors, everybody said, nah,
21:16
nobody's gonna know what that is.
21:17
So just, go back, calling him Lucifer.
21:19
But I, I have a trouble with that because I don't really
21:21
know who Lucifer is exactly.
21:23
But anyway, so I call it, so the difference is that the Satanists
21:28
knowingly worship an evil God, and they do it because, they want to
21:32
cause trouble, do what th will, right?
21:34
They don't like rules, they don't conforming, they don't want
21:36
anybody telling 'em what to do.
21:38
The outcast, for the most part.
21:40
But these loosies in a, in, and a lot of the parties and org I went to would have
21:44
these groupies, these satanists around all the time because it first of all,
21:48
it sets the tone, that a demonic tone of the evening having these weirdos around.
21:53
But also, if anything goes wrong, this is the main reason.
21:55
If anything goes wrong, they'll just blame it on the satanists because
21:57
nobody really knew who the IES were.
21:59
They knew back, especially back then with rock and roll and all that, so
22:02
they would just blame everything on.
22:04
They would say, oh, it's a, it's just another Satanic ritual gone wrong.
22:07
And sometimes the rituals do go wrong.
22:09
They don't have full control over everything.
22:11
Yeah.
22:11
That makes sense.
22:13
Now, you, you did a show on with Nino and there was that guy that had been
22:17
a priest in all kinds of different religions, and he talked about the Mormons
22:21
oh yeah.
22:22
As being
22:23
William I can't remember his name now.
22:24
William something.
22:27
Yeah.
22:28
Very fa, very fascinating.
22:29
The three of you guys together that was a great show.
22:32
Great reveals.
22:33
So he's talking about all the different things that he's been involved with and
22:37
how he got tired of being a Satanist.
22:40
So then he went to the Mormon church and that was even worse.
22:45
Wow.
22:45
Yeah.
22:46
Yeah.
22:46
I knew what he was talking about because I'd seen it,
22:48
wow.
22:49
And, a lot of these guys so the realm or the arena that he was in, there's overlap
22:54
with the arena that I was in, but it's two different kind of things going on.
23:00
His arena is more about the spiritual side, the spiritual war, the, the
23:06
demons and the angels and all that where this side is just all about
23:10
taking over the world, making money.
23:11
It's the bottom line.
23:13
They don't really care about, they don't really care about the worshiping side.
23:17
They, in fact, they a lot of the people I ran into, a lot of the guys
23:19
I ran into kind of looked at 'em as, as hobbyists more than anything.
23:22
It's oh, it's just, doing these rituals to the altar that's fun and it's a hobby,
23:26
but it's not getting us what we want.
23:28
So more, most, most mo the main crux of the rituals is to get knowledge
23:32
transfers is to get forbidden knowledge.
23:35
Or maybe not so forbidden but to get knowledge that they
23:38
wouldn't have got any other way.
23:41
And that's through the spiritual realm or demonic realm, whatever you wanna call it.
23:45
I don't know what it is.
23:46
I just know that it exists.
23:48
I've seen it I've experienced it and people argue with me about.
23:51
It's this, I don't know what it is.
23:53
I've never claimed to know.
23:54
I just know that I've seen it and I know that it's real.
23:57
And you gotta be, people need to understand that it's coming after
24:00
you, it's coming after everybody.
24:01
And it has most of them right now, most people don't realize it,
24:05
but they're already owned, yeah.
24:07
That one ritual where people go through, they get the Black Eye club.
24:13
So what?
24:13
Yeah.
24:13
I don't know what, I don't know what that is either.
24:15
They're doing that's, that, that is, go ahead.
24:18
They go through some kind of ritual and I've heard there's some kind
24:21
of bug or something, or that goes into their eye and causes problems.
24:26
But like you're talking about a lot of the upper, the wealthy and, the
24:31
Hollywood crew and all the, all those people even some of the, top politicians.
24:36
The Pope they've all gone, they've all gotten these black eyes.
24:40
And it seems to be, some people talk about it.
24:42
It's it seems to be some kind of ritual they go through changed.
24:47
They're different.
24:48
Yeah.
24:48
Yeah.
24:49
So when I was there like I said, things were just getting established
24:51
and they have evolved quite a bit since I left, but I've kept an eye on
24:55
it and I still have, my finger on it.
24:56
I still know people there, so I can take the pulse anytime I need to.
24:59
Nice.
25:00
But on the easy side, those are it's probably a ritual, a
25:04
humiliation ritual, and they're probably getting punched, yeah.
25:07
That's the easy side.
25:08
On the hard side, it's probably some sort of changing ritual where they, the effect
25:16
is not only do they end up with a black eye for something, the worm or whatever,
25:19
but it also changes their physiology.
25:22
See, I, because I've seen these people ch I've seen people change and
25:26
they're changing at the same time that they're getting more and more bizarre,
25:29
oh yeah.
25:30
They're getting very rich and very successful.
25:32
But when you go, you go to meetings with them, regular old meetings, go to
25:35
Sprint and Indiana or something and have a regular meeting with 'em, with people,
25:39
and then you go back to San Francisco or whatever where we are, and you go out to
25:43
dinner with 'em or something, and suddenly their, their two personality comes out.
25:46
And the more you hang on the weer and more bizarre people are starting
25:49
to get that's one of the things that was really starting to scare me
25:51
was I don't wanna be like people, I wanna get, I need to get outta here.
25:54
I grew up on a horse ranch.
25:55
I'm a, I'm a horse guy.
25:56
Not Earth guy.
25:57
Yeah.
25:57
Definitely.
25:59
Brilliant.
25:59
Not earth guy.
26:00
Yeah.
26:00
What a concept.
26:01
Now do, so we're gonna, we're going a little bit deeper now.
26:05
Okay.
26:05
The blood ritual type stuff.
26:07
Yeah.
26:08
And at first they don't.
26:10
You don't know anything about it.
26:11
You just go into this orgy, whatever, and they offer you like this vial
26:16
or taste of blood or whatever, and then it just transforms you.
26:20
What tell us about that.
26:22
It's not, again, it's more of a, more of an emotional, spiritual
26:25
change than anything else.
26:26
I never got that far.
26:27
That's when I fled at that, when I'd been an observer and, at the
26:31
time and it's gonna sound like a cop out, but at the time, I was still
26:34
struggling with, is this really real?
26:35
Am I, are they, is this real?
26:37
Are they really doing this?
26:38
And of course they are, but at the time you really don't wanna believe it.
26:41
You're trying to make excuses and people still do, they still say
26:44
they, like the Bohemian grove, oh, it's just a fake cremation.
26:47
No, it's real.
26:48
They wouldn't go to that much trouble and didn't fake it at the
26:50
very last, and it's all real, right?
26:52
Yeah.
26:52
So they, these rituals aren't so much as an elixir as it is.
26:58
Just getting, grooming you more and more, getting you to break your taboos so that
27:01
you go farther and farther down that path so that, that path, that billionaire path
27:06
that you go on, there, there is a cost.
27:08
You you're losing a lot of yourself and you're picking up things along the way,
27:12
personality traits, et cetera, that you'll never be able to get rid of, right?
27:16
You can, but it's really hard, it's really difficult, but yeah, I really have a hard
27:20
time talking about those blood rituals.
27:21
I, at first, I wouldn't talk about 'em at all, but now people know about
27:24
'em, and that's what was, that's why I contacted courses, because I noticed
27:28
that when they were doing those cue drops, people were starting to talk
27:30
about, some of the infant rituals.
27:33
And I thought, oh my God.
27:34
And then I saw a movie, this movie called Mother 2017 with Elizabeth
27:39
Hurley, and they actually have the ri If you wanna see what the ritual
27:43
looks like, you can watch that scene.
27:44
I don't recommend it.
27:45
It's, but it is very close to what they do.
27:49
And then, there's another movie we call Neon Demon or something, I
27:51
think and it's another good scene in there where the new girl is in the
27:55
bathroom with the established girls.
27:57
And they're asking her, are you food or sex?
27:59
And that's basically what you are when you go, when these women, these girls,
28:03
these are brought into these parties.
28:06
They're either there for food or sex, and a lot of times both.
28:11
Yeah.
28:11
And you talk about that in the book where the main characters, significant other,
28:16
they kept have a breaking up and she's with another group and they're satanists.
28:21
So they come to this high end party and she finds out that
28:25
she was going to be sacrificed.
28:27
But they last minute, the Larry Ellison type guy, changes his mind.
28:31
Yeah.
28:32
And somebody else gets sacrificed, but the sacrifice, happens
28:36
with the sat, the Satanist.
28:37
And they're all willing to do that.
28:39
'Cause they want to like, look good, to the upper crust, like the, the top
28:44
people in Silicon Valley or whatever.
28:46
The victims aren't necessarily the Satanist, but they
28:48
come through the Satanist.
28:50
Okay.
28:50
Close Satanist avenues, right?
28:52
Yeah.
28:52
The Satanic avenues.
28:53
So the loosies themselves aren't the ones.
28:55
Everybody makes a big deal about Epstein.
28:57
There's a lot of Epstein's out there.
28:58
There's a lot.
28:59
Really?
28:59
I was like, there's no way that's the Epstein's gone.
29:02
That's it's over.
29:03
No, it's gotta be bottom right.
29:05
They're doing that.
29:05
They're doing that so that people can say he's not, if he wasn't connected
29:08
to Epstein, he's not a pedophile.
29:10
What if it's connected to others?
29:12
That's why does it have to be that one, but
29:14
point
29:15
anyway.
29:16
Yeah.
29:16
We're, I forgot what we're talking about.
29:18
Yeah.
29:18
So there's, this blew me away and I did the research on it.
29:22
I'm like, holy moly.
29:25
When you're talking about the the people in Hawaiian, the Hawaiian culture
29:30
Oh, yeah.
29:30
Cannibals and math.
29:32
Crazy.
29:33
Yeah.
29:34
So why are all these, why are all these elites so obsessed with Hawaii?
29:39
There's a lot of there's a lot of
29:40
that too.
29:41
Yeah.
29:42
So it all made sense.
29:44
Yeah.
29:44
Hawaii, the ancient Hawaiian culture was the most successful.
29:47
Ca not, maybe not the most, but one of the most successful
29:50
cannibalistic societies ever.
29:52
And most cannibalistic societies implode because they get too crazy.
29:56
Everybody goes insane in each other.
29:59
But what they did in Hawaii was they separated into two different classes.
30:03
The Lee or what or the elites.
30:05
And then the common, the Kama is the common people, the regular people.
30:09
And then they made sure that they didn't eat, they mostly ate infants, right?
30:14
And that's the original clue of pig.
30:16
You and the, when the Christians came over and saw what they were doing,
30:19
they talked them into going with piglets, which they still do today.
30:24
And now Hawaiians will argue, but there's a lot of books.
30:26
One called a show of time that it spells out the history of this Hawaiian mess.
30:32
Yeah, that's,
30:32
Hidden now, but, so research, you can find it, which I did
30:37
it
30:37
still
30:37
time,
30:39
Yeah.
30:40
Captain Cook and they're like, oh no, that was that was, he was
30:43
being treating him with respect.
30:45
Yeah.
30:46
They tried to say
30:47
all the meat and giving the bones back to the crew.
30:49
It's what?
30:51
Okay,
30:54
so yeah.
30:55
You made a good point.
30:55
These, this, it kind of ties in with their rituals,
30:59
right?
31:00
So they really like the spirit, the cannibalistic spirit of Hawaii, right?
31:04
So if this is an ancient civilization that was successful at cannibalism,
31:10
think about how much blood and demons and other bad things are still there.
31:14
And these, so these guys like it, they like being around them,
31:17
Wow.
31:18
There Yeah.
31:18
They like that power.
31:20
Yeah.
31:22
Obviously.
31:23
And they like to use people, they like to get, put 'em in positions
31:26
of power and then use them.
31:29
Like you talk about the main character in the book they're
31:31
constantly, moving him up.
31:33
And then they had that one scene.
31:35
I won't go into detail 'cause so people read a book, they need to
31:38
read a book and see all this stuff.
31:39
They should be intrigued by now.
31:40
They're like, they should be ordering it right away.
31:43
You can get it.
31:44
I have it I got it with the audible.
31:46
And I got the actual Kindle book.
31:49
And you can get the actual physical copy as well.
31:52
And you get it from Craig's site.
31:53
Your site is
31:55
No my, I don't have my site anymore.
31:57
I took all that down.
31:57
You can get through Amazon.
31:59
Okay.
32:00
Just go right
32:00
down and you, yeah, you can get all you can get all all four.
32:03
There's a hard copy as well.
32:05
So hard copy Paper back.
32:06
Kindle and audio.
32:08
Audio.
32:08
Very
32:08
good.
32:08
Yeah.
32:09
Yeah.
32:09
So the audio was really good.
32:11
I liked the way it was narrated.
32:12
Okay.
32:13
I'm, I have to check that out.
32:14
I haven't listened to it on the audio,
32:16
but I've done that to my books too.
32:19
Amazon gives you that option to, you wanna make it audible,
32:21
and I was like, yeah, why not?
32:23
So I haven't even checked my book out either.
32:25
So it's funny.
32:25
Yeah the, my publisher takes care of all that, so I just, I log in when it's
32:28
oh look, it's on Audio Audible now.
32:31
Didn't
32:31
know.
32:31
Nice.
32:32
Very good.
32:33
Yeah, it worked out really good.
32:35
I don't have the time to sit down and read a lot these days and I
32:37
think most of my answers the same.
32:39
Definitely get the audio book guys, and and listen to it.
32:42
And you'll see some, if you listen to it around other people,
32:45
they're gonna be like, what?
32:47
And then you're gonna have to go off on your own list.
32:49
Like it had to do with, sorry about that.
32:53
So then I put buds in and kept listening to it.
32:56
I tried to write it knowing that people wouldn't be able to
32:59
sit down in one long stretch.
33:00
I tried to ride it in small, smaller chunks, no chapters, just a bunch of.
33:06
Chunks that kind of nonlinear, I'm not a writer.
33:09
I don't know.
33:10
I don't know.
33:10
I, if I was gonna write it now, I'd probably write it
33:12
differently, but it is what it is.
33:14
Are you, do you have a, do you have a, another book coming
33:17
out that along the same lines?
33:19
Yeah, I do.
33:21
I'm working on it.
33:21
I'm working on a follow up to, because there's a lot in that book that I
33:24
didn't, there's a lot that I didn't put in that book, believe it or not.
33:27
There's a lot of things that they do.
33:29
Yeah.
33:29
You've built the foundation really well.
33:32
And then towards the end of the book, you just blew it up.
33:35
I'm like, holy moly.
33:36
It's oh yeah this is this is the real deal there, here.
33:39
And it's afic, it's a fiction in book, but, these people are
33:42
actually, they're, this goes on, I don't, I can't stress that enough.
33:45
This is going on right now, it's, they're doing it right now, right as we speak.
33:48
Yeah.
33:49
You got Larry Ellison has a 330 something three, probably th 330.
33:56
Degree Mason, whatever island in Hawaii.
33:59
And Zuckerberg's got his own
34:02
no Ellison owned Ellison owns the entire island of Lanai.
34:06
Yeah.
34:07
The whole
34:07
entire island.
34:08
Not just a piece of it.
34:10
The whole island.
34:10
Actually there's one little Chunky doesn't own that's the administrative
34:14
part, but he owns everything else.
34:16
He owns most of Tahoe too.
34:17
I dunno if you're aware of that.
34:19
He owns most of Malibu.
34:20
Yeah.
34:20
The top two hotels here are under the Hyatt.
34:24
And there was one that had been sitting vacant for like decades.
34:29
He bought that and is refurbishing it.
34:31
So Incline Village is basically going to Larry Ellison and the, Zuckerberg
34:35
and I guess all the other guys.
34:36
So
34:37
do you know who his children are?
34:39
Larry Ellison Megan Ellison and David Ellison.
34:42
They're the two, two of the top Hollywood producers.
34:45
Any movie that you can name, they're involved in it.
34:48
Yeah.
34:49
Now he's also into samurai stuff.
34:52
He's got a
34:52
Oh yeah.
34:53
Compound.
34:54
Huge compound that's based off of samurai Times and everything.
34:58
And I heard that he has one of his offices when you walk down
35:01
the hall, he is got like samurai armor and swords and everything.
35:05
Yeah I've seen that.
35:06
I've been down that hall.
35:07
Yeah.
35:08
Interesting.
35:09
Yeah, it's, he's got antique samurai uniforms.
35:12
It's very intimidating when you,
35:14
that's
35:14
when you go down this hallway.
35:16
And then he is got a samurai, a sword on his desk that he claims
35:19
that's sword, killed hundreds of thousands of people or something.
35:23
Wow.
35:24
So yeah, some of those swords are like worth millions of dollars.
35:28
Yeah.
35:28
They they basically a thousand times they'll hammer it, heat it, hammer
35:33
it, keep folding it and everything.
35:35
Million dollar swords I've had I did a little.
35:38
I did some of that art for a little while, had a guy that taught me I
35:42
started the ham program for the Navy Seal teams and I delved into that stuff.
35:46
That stuff is very intense.
35:48
And you have to be in a totally different mindset to do a lot of that samurai work.
35:52
So it's very interesting, very, you have to be very creative and
35:56
someone that the art of the blade you're on a different category as
36:00
far as like a fighter and a warrior.
36:03
Most people are like, we're like, most people here in the
36:06
west were like, shoot the guns.
36:08
But to be a real creative badass warrior, you learn the art of the blade.
36:13
So that's very interesting.
36:14
He's into that.
36:15
Yeah.
36:15
A lot of us were I was also into it.
36:17
I studied a lot of Japanese Swordsmanship and European, Japanese and European.
36:20
Wow.
36:21
Yeah.
36:21
It was a, it was a thing to do back then, yeah.
36:24
Your career
36:25
aspect.
36:25
Yeah.
36:25
I studied with master Lee at the Alamo EastWest Kung Fu.
36:29
And he's got, he does kung fu and karate both at the same dojo.
36:33
Wow.
36:34
But yeah.
36:35
Yeah.
36:36
It's a different discipline and the way I studied, they would
36:38
not let us use wooden swords.
36:40
It, we had to start with metal.
36:42
Really?
36:43
Wow.
36:43
Yeah.
36:44
Yeah.
36:44
Sharp metal too.
36:45
My
36:46
God,
36:47
Their attitude was if you start off with play swords, then you're
36:50
gonna develop bad habits that you're gonna have to break later.
36:53
So let's just start with the real deal, and you will, you do cut
36:57
yourself, but you learn not to.
36:59
Yeah.
37:00
Because yeah you're rolling around with that blade that's interesting.
37:03
Wow.
37:05
Yeah.
37:05
A lot of people cut their feet more than anything, when they're
37:07
swinging and it cut their feet.
37:10
Very cool.
37:11
Wow.
37:11
That's another level to Craig, so very good.
37:15
Very good.
37:16
Yeah, so what else would you say as far as where we're going so it sounds like, these
37:20
tech giants are taking over the world now.
37:23
Is, are we doomed or is there a way out of this?
37:26
I don't think we're doomed.
37:28
Yeah.
37:28
I think there's a way out of it, but not for everybody.
37:30
I think a lot of people are just so stuck into it.
37:32
They'll never, they're never gonna get out.
37:33
A lot of people are already, like I said, there are other people are already owned.
37:37
They'll never get themselves back.
37:38
But, guys like me I'm going nomadic, I'm, we have our base cap up here, but
37:42
we're setting up so we can bail within 48 hours with all life support systems.
37:47
And so I'm checking out these trailers right now with very sophisticated
37:51
life support and security systems.
37:52
Because I'm I feel compelled to, in fact, we're gonna, we're gonna head
37:56
towards your way probably a couple weeks.
38:00
Oh, neat.
38:01
Just to go on a road trip and see how well these trailers work, but I got 'em
38:04
rigged up so that you can, I can just pull up to a body of water and throw the
38:07
hose into it and suck up whatever water we need, and it'll be clean by the tank
38:11
by the time it reaches my tank over here.
38:14
Incredible.
38:14
Wow.
38:14
I've got a lot of filtering systems and
38:16
Such, but I, I don't know why more people aren't getting,
38:19
becoming more self-sufficient.
38:20
The self-sufficiency right now is the key.
38:23
If you can learn how to survive like I was telling, we get all of our
38:26
power of the creep, it's a creep, it, it's got a 30 foot drop a 700 foot
38:31
line on a 30 foot drop, but it powers everything and it's just a creep,
38:35
so why doesn't everybody have that?
38:37
It's free.
38:39
I spent maybe $2,500 in, in, in hardware.
38:43
But yeah, it works fine.
38:45
Yeah.
38:45
You probably came across some of those energy systems where, we wouldn't have
38:49
to rely on hardly anything anymore.
38:51
Like nuclear batteries.
38:53
Yeah.
38:53
That, that will, last 10,000 years, something crazy.
38:57
Wow.
38:58
Did you come across any of that?
38:59
Yeah.
38:59
Yeah, I've looked into all that stuff, but it's, nothing's available.
39:02
So I just went with a, micro turbine, hydro turbine that I picked up from a
39:08
guy called LA Lanston Alternative Power.
39:12
It's just a, an alternator and I charge a bunch of battery, big battery
39:15
bank down there, and then I convert to AC and run it up to the trailers.
39:18
And and it's all free.
39:19
We do have solar, but we live in a cascade.
39:21
So solar isn't a big deal up here, and especially the wintertime when we're in
39:24
the shadow of the mountain, solar doesn't do anything, so we rely on the creek.
39:28
But my point though is that people think you need a lot of rushing water
39:32
to get hydroelectric, but you don't.
39:33
And I could prove I, it's a small creek,
39:35
yeah.
39:37
So it's just like a hose and you have the, basically the rotation
39:41
thing inside of it and it water.
39:43
Yeah.
39:43
So I have a three foot water line coming up, up.
39:46
So I, I made a little pond at top, just sandbagged it off.
39:50
I have to go up there and clean it out a lot.
39:52
And then I run, it's a 700 foot line and drops about 30 feet by
39:55
the time it reaches the turbine.
39:57
And it's just, I have, then I break the line up into two jets and the jets spin.
40:02
I have these propeller on the top, it looks like a bunch of spoons, and
40:05
that spins the alternator on there and sends it three wire ac up, up to
40:09
the rectifier and into the controller and into the batteries, and into
40:13
the inverter and up to here, to the converter, and then back to the batteries.
40:19
Kinda complicated.
40:20
That works.
40:21
So do you think that you know what the the.
40:24
Oil situation now that power is gonna be very hard to come
40:27
by and transportation so forth.
40:30
They're already starting to shut down a lot of stuff.
40:32
You think that's on purpose?
40:35
Oh yeah.
40:35
They're, yeah.
40:35
They're gonna, they're gonna put the squeeze on us as hard as they can.
40:38
And again, they can't wipe us all out, even if they wanted to,
40:41
they can, but they don't want to, they need they need a remnant.
40:45
They need, the guidestones 500, so whatever.
40:47
But they do need a remnant.
40:48
But yeah, I think it's gonna get a lot worse.
40:50
A lot worse.
40:50
I don't think it's ever gonna get better.
40:52
I, I'm a pessimist because of my peculiar perspective, based
40:56
on my strange experiences.
40:58
But I'm still alive, it's been a long time and I'm still here.
41:02
I think that if people are, if people let go of a lot of the bullshit they're
41:06
holding onto they'll be, they'll do a lot better, it's, I dunno if that makes
41:09
sense, but I'm not trying to preach here.
41:10
I'm just saying that people need to,
41:11
I totally agree with you.
41:12
I up all the time and move.
41:14
I, I think being nomadic or being able to be no, nomadic is very is very important.
41:18
Probably will be like you're saying more so in the future, unfortunately.
41:22
Yeah.
41:22
I don't know if you're familiar with Michael Y, but he's got this theory
41:26
about famine creates human migration.
41:29
Human osmosis migration, where people just start moving.
41:32
So when I say we're gonna bug out I'm, 'cause I wanna get away from the crowd, so
41:36
if people start heading up this direction, then I'm going the other direction.
41:41
That's the idea.
41:43
I wanted to always be able to go where there's nobody.
41:47
Brilliant.
41:48
And if if you've got your rig set up right, you can go anywhere.
41:50
You just need, as long as there's water, you just gotta find water.
41:53
And
41:54
that may mean drilling a well.
41:55
But I'm prepared to do.
41:59
So I, yeah, I had a guy that I or actually this guy's wife we were eating at a
42:05
restaurant and we were talking about Lake Tahoe, and she was like, oh yeah,
42:09
my husband, I'm not gonna say what he does, but he goes into some of those
42:13
homes Larry Ellison and some of these other people and does work, and they
42:17
make him sign a non-disclosure agreement.
42:21
The work that he's doing is basically where they're gonna
42:24
do parties and so forth.
42:26
And so that, does that make sense to you?
42:27
Oh,
42:28
Yeah.
42:28
They're doing it here.
42:29
Yeah.
42:30
Yeah.
42:30
So I've been alive I've been to places where I could tell
42:33
the staff is very scared.
42:34
They're very
42:35
Wow,
42:36
very disciplined.
42:37
You think, it's like you think you're going on a retreat.
42:40
But you end up someplace else and it's pretty strange, pretty weird.
42:43
And it's been going on for a long time.
42:44
No, I haven't been to any of these parties for 30 years, but I can't
42:47
imagine how much they've evolved now.
42:49
They were pretty fancy and out there when I was around, very fancy,
42:53
very expensive, very high dollar, no expense.
42:55
Just, and it was all the time,
42:58
yeah.
42:58
You were talking about how I think you were talking about how you had a
43:02
certain drink that you drank and it was like very high dollar and you Yeah, my
43:05
drink was,
43:07
maybe it was in a book, but
43:08
my drink was Trey Louis, was a, I got, it's about $150 a shot now.
43:12
Wow.
43:13
But yeah it comes in a backrack crystal bottle that's bottle of silk.
43:17
I think the bottles went about four or $500.
43:19
But Sure.
43:19
And Don Perone is a normal champagne and every, and know, it's weird
43:23
because I remember one time.
43:25
I got to the point where I thought, man, I wanna go home and
43:26
just make some homemade tacos.
43:27
I was so tired of going out, and eating, eating fancy dinners all the time.
43:30
It's like a homemade taco.
43:31
Sounded really good.
43:34
That's so
43:35
sweet.
43:35
It's I didn't have the means to even do that.
43:36
Everything was too, my lifestyle was so weird,
43:40
yeah.
43:41
I didn't really have a, I didn't really have a kitchen that I could walk into.
43:44
Yeah.
43:45
Wow.
43:46
And you were living or at least, I'm going by what the book has
43:50
living in a very high end place.
43:52
And everything's got your, everything, all the expense paid credit card
43:58
and your, and the best clothes.
44:00
And like you're saying, $150 glasses of, your favorite beverage.
44:05
And you're eating these incredible meals.
44:07
Then they invite you to a nice retreat and there's.
44:13
These crazy rituals that go on there and cannibalism and your, somebody was
44:18
invited to eat and they are like, I'm out.
44:20
And then everything got shut down.
44:23
Yeah.
44:23
Is that what happens to people that don't go all the way?
44:26
Yeah.
44:26
Yeah.
44:26
You'll lose everything.
44:28
Yeah.
44:28
That for me, that was one of the hardest parts about leaving because I had, when I
44:32
left, when I finally fled, the last time I'd been in a, I'd been run off the road
44:36
and and I broke my neck was broken and
44:38
yeah,
44:39
I got a hundred thousand dollars insurance from it.
44:42
I got 65 and attorney got 35, right?
44:45
And I just, I forgot about that money and then I left and they took
44:49
everything I had to leave behind my, I had a $12 million portfolio.
44:52
It doesn't sound like a lot now, but back then that was pretty substantial.
44:55
Yeah.
44:55
I had two cus two custom build.
44:56
Harleys.
44:57
I had a real nice sailboat.
44:59
A couple places here and there.
45:01
But I had to walk away from all that.
45:02
I found, I, I real I came across that 65,000 and I thought,
45:06
okay, I can use this to escape.
45:07
That's a lot of money actually.
45:08
But at that,
45:09
yeah.
45:09
Back then,
45:10
Who I was back then, it didn't seem like very much right.
45:12
It seemed I don't need more than this.
45:15
You, but it lasted a long time,
45:18
a lot more than that.
45:18
Yeah.
45:19
So you got, yeah.
45:20
Back then, $12 million portfolio even today.
45:23
That's, incredible.
45:24
Substantial And then all of the, yeah,
45:26
just walk away from it
45:27
homes and, high end Harleys and, vehicles and so forth.
45:31
You have to just walk away from all of it.
45:33
Wow.
45:34
Yeah.
45:35
Yeah.
45:35
So when I left the CIA I left and they basically came after
45:40
me and destroyed my life.
45:42
So I had to walk away from a lot of stuff too, so I completely understand.
45:46
Yeah, it's hard, huh?
45:47
Yeah.
45:48
It's very hard to be, high on the high end.
45:50
Everybody, looks up to you and, idolizes you and wants you, and then
45:55
you just don't do one thing they want you to do, or they can't control you.
45:59
That's what happened with me.
46:00
They couldn't control me.
46:02
And then they came in and just, and destroyed me.
46:04
It sounds like that's what happened with you as well.
46:07
Pretty much.
46:07
Yep.
46:08
Yeah.
46:09
Yeah, they and it's not really a particular day.
46:12
It's whoever decides that,
46:14
right?
46:14
So if I'm working with, if I'm working on a particular project and I got there,
46:19
a particular way into that project and then I decide that, I wanna bail
46:25
it's it's a different scenario in.
46:27
Silicon Bellion back then it would be otherwise because they,
46:33
everybody knows how I got, everybody would know how you got there.
46:35
And if you leave, they, if they, it's not like they're not allowing you to
46:39
leave, but they're making sure that if you leave, you're either gonna be
46:42
scared of death of them or you're gonna be, they're gonna ruin your reputation.
46:45
No one will ever believe anything you say.
46:47
Yep.
46:48
That's right.
46:48
And they justify it by trying to protect their own industry.
46:51
They're trying to protect their own power and possession, you don't
46:54
hear 'em talk about money very much.
46:56
It's always
46:57
years.
46:57
They completely, no contact with 'em anymore.
47:00
And a certain way and to a certain extent that's expected because the
47:04
stuff I was involved with, the super high, talk secret stuff you gotta
47:07
shut it down on a certain level.
47:08
But, friends and so forth no contact anymore.
47:11
Just completely cut me out.
47:13
I tried to get jobs in other places where I was just way over
47:18
qualify, but I couldn't get 'em.
47:20
'cause they basically, put out the word that this guy is shit, and it's crazy.
47:25
Yeah.
47:26
Yeah.
47:27
I, yeah I even tried getting contracts, under assumed names just
47:30
to keep keep the revenue coming.
47:32
When I left I went up to North Tech, going to California, and I hooked up
47:35
with a bunch of horseback riding two of 'em, two one horseback riding outfits.
47:38
And so I, I was kinda just hiding out with the rest of the, tweakers
47:41
up there cleaning stalls and it felt really good for a long time.
47:45
But, then it's one night it's ah, I'm in the mood to going into the city and,
47:49
that's a big mistake because, it's really easy to get stuck right back into it.
47:53
Get cut right back up into it.
47:56
Is that when you got into your accident?
47:57
When you went back?
47:59
The accident?
48:01
The accident happened I, by going back, yeah.
48:04
The accident happened after I made my first sort of attempt.
48:07
So first they threw me into a mental institution, a maximum
48:10
security mental institution.
48:12
Geez.
48:12
And I managed to escape, who, who can do that?
48:14
Wow.
48:15
And then they, then I like when I, when it looked like I was starting to
48:19
bolt because I was turning stuff down, that's when we got ran off the road.
48:23
And then and it's, it's one of those things people will say,
48:25
yeah, it was just an accident.
48:26
It's yeah, okay.
48:27
Just an accident.
48:28
Alright.
48:29
But, these things keep happening.
48:30
I really bad.
48:31
Either I really bad luck or it's not an accident.
48:34
And then I finally just, I started going, getting back in, gave
48:36
in, started playing the game.
48:38
And I thought I'll try to make a whole bunch of money and scroll away.
48:41
But it made, they make that impossible.
48:43
'cause everything's, they, everybody's got their hands in everything.
48:45
You really don't, I don't know about today, but back then you don't
48:48
really, the reason why they could take everything away is because
48:50
you, I would join all these LLCs and these partnerships and the company.
48:54
And they would say it's to protect you, from taxes and crap.
48:56
And, I don't know.
48:57
I don't know what I'm talking about.
48:58
I'm just an engineer there.
48:59
I'm just going, okay, lemme sign where.
49:00
Okay, lemme sign that.
49:02
And then, all of a sudden your credit card doesn't work.
49:04
The DERs club's cut off and call 'em.
49:06
It's it's not even your club.
49:08
It's not even your car.
49:09
It's a company card.
49:10
So yeah.
49:13
And that's another reason why so many people just continue on 'cause
49:16
they're gonna lose everything.
49:17
And they want It's easier.
49:19
Easier, yeah.
49:19
It's resource.
49:20
Yeah.
49:20
Yeah, because he'll destroy him, like we're talking about.
49:24
But
49:24
And then when you go back in, all of a sudden you got that power and
49:26
position again and you, and it's pH, I'm never gonna do that again.
49:30
Because now all of a sudden you're getting the attention, and you get to go to the
49:33
restaurants again, and you get the good service and for, easy first class and
49:37
where, just clean stalls, make the choice.
49:41
Cleaning stalls.
49:42
I tell you, clean stalls is a lot better than is the be is the right choice.
49:48
You learn a lot about yourself when you're.
49:50
Shoveling horses.
49:51
Shit.
49:54
Literally.
49:54
I gotta do that someday.
49:55
That's good.
49:55
I have shoveled cow shit.
49:57
And that was pretty
49:58
cow.
49:59
Shit's heavy.
50:00
It is really heavy.
50:01
Heavy and sloppy.
50:03
Least horse is easy to horse's, easier to deal with and
50:06
yeah.
50:07
That'll be easy.
50:08
Alright.
50:08
So Craig, any other words?
50:10
This has been a fantastic conversation.
50:12
Wow.
50:12
So many revelations.
50:14
I've been making this warning lately and it sounds like I'm
50:16
being an asshole but I'm not.
50:18
So if people bug out and they come up to buy forest, I'm gonna run 'em
50:22
outta here because I know that come winter, they're gonna die either from
50:25
exposure or dysentery or, when their mates is gonna kill 'em and I don't
50:29
wanna have to deal with their body.
50:30
So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna have to run 'em out.
50:32
Otherwise, they're gonna, they're corpse is gonna stink
50:35
up the water and the forest.
50:37
So I'm not being a jerk, but.
50:40
But a lot of people up here feel the same way.
50:44
So I was, my mornings be kept.
50:46
Don't think you could,
50:47
they could just run to the mountains or run to places and,
50:50
They know how to camp,
50:51
oh no we're in charge here.
50:53
Yeah.
50:53
Have you ever, I asked 'em, have you ever camped in the snow?
50:55
Oh, yeah.
50:56
Have you ever camped the whole winter in the snow?
50:59
Because oh yeah.
51:00
You hear things like I know how to fish and get hunt and gather.
51:02
It's yeah, but you're gonna be doing that all day long.
51:04
Who's gonna clean up your place?
51:05
Who's gonna, when the rains come and wash a bunch of mud and, no, you gotta leave.
51:09
You're just gonna die.
51:11
You're not used to it.
51:12
We've been doing this for 30 years and we're still trying to figure it out.
51:16
It sounds like you're getting it pretty good though.
51:17
Wow.
51:18
That's pretty impressive to have a stream, produce your electricity.
51:22
That's the way to do it.
51:25
Yeah, we have hydro wind and solar, but the wind and solar
51:28
don't work all that well.
51:29
But the stream, I could live off the stream alone.
51:32
The creek.
51:32
I've heard that from a lot of people.
51:33
Yeah.
51:33
That's really the way to go.
51:35
Hydro.
51:35
The hardware has gotten so sophisticated now that and cost
51:38
effective that I remember 20 years ago I looked into this kind of thing.
51:41
It was just, it was impossible.
51:43
Too expensive and too weird, too difficult.
51:46
But now it's, if you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy.
51:51
Very good.
51:53
So we've been talking for years, people need to have food and water
51:55
to last, I'd say, up to a year.
51:58
What are your thoughts?
51:59
Is that enough?
52:00
No.
52:00
You
52:00
need to have,
52:02
no,
52:02
I got great survival skills.
52:04
I could bug out.
52:05
I could walk out naked and thrive.
52:07
Not survive.
52:08
Yeah.
52:09
But you would get bored with it in after a while, right?
52:13
Because you get Yeah.
52:14
Food, food fatigue is a real problem.
52:16
People think they can just eat fish and rice all the time.
52:18
You get food fatigue.
52:19
So losing weight and but we have enough stuff that we
52:24
could stay here indefinitely.
52:25
We could, I could close the, I could close the road and we could be up here for
52:28
the rest of our lives and not a problem.
52:31
Wow.
52:31
Very good.
52:32
Our lifestyle would change gradually, as we start running out
52:35
supplies and things like propane.
52:36
But I've got gasifiers, I've got a lifetime supply of firewood
52:39
up here, and I got the creek
52:40
yeah.
52:43
Brilliant.
52:43
And you know how to gather food, so that great.
52:47
Yeah, no, I know how to hunt and fish and gather and still
52:54
Awesome.
52:54
Rob.
52:54
Rob.
52:54
Yeah.
52:55
We're moving into that.
52:56
So would you say you wanna be nomadic or have a farm or a ranch or something?
53:01
What would you say?
53:03
I'd rather have a ranch.
53:04
I'd rather, be on my grandfather's horse.
53:06
But in these times I think being, having a base compound where you could grow food
53:10
and raise livestock, plus the ability to bug out with him 48 hours is important.
53:15
To me it's important.
53:16
That's what we're setting up for.
53:18
That's, I think that's really good.
53:20
And you're right, people get attached to their stuff and they don't wanna leave it.
53:24
It's like why a lot of people stick with Silicon Valley, all these years
53:28
when they know it's evil and it's bad.
53:31
For me, when I saw that, I was no longer gonna be able to function
53:35
the way I was functioning before in the CIA it was time for me to leave.
53:38
And then it came in and tried to story me.
53:40
Yeah.
53:40
It's like a mafia.
53:42
It's like a mafia group.
53:42
Yeah.
53:43
Yeah, exactly.
53:44
You can never leave.
53:45
But we did.
53:45
So congratulations and you've written this great book, Silicon
53:48
Satan highly recommend this book.
53:52
You're gonna get great insights onto what's going on in the world.
53:55
It's a tough read or listen but it's part of survival going forward, I think.
54:04
Thank you.
54:05
Yeah.
54:06
I think if you don't under know thy enemy art of War if you don't know
54:11
your enemy they're gonna get you.
54:13
That's what, yeah, that's the whole point of the book is to get people
54:15
to, to look at the world the way I look at it and you'll start seeing
54:18
things a little bit differently.
54:20
Hopefully.
54:20
Hopefully.
54:21
Yeah.
54:22
Absolutely.
54:23
Yeah.
54:24
Craig thanks so much great honor and pleasure having you on again.
54:28
Look forward to more conversations in the future.
54:30
Good luck out there with that hydro.
54:32
I, it's, it sounds fantastic.
54:34
Good job.
54:34
And look forward to seeing you in the future.
54:37
Same.
54:37
Thanks for having me.
54:38
Yep.