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Did Social Media Completely Ruin Rock Star Autobiographies? · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, it's Mem from Exumer, and you're watching CMS-TV.
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  [music]
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  SPEAKER_03: decapitated right here on your classic metal show with 404.
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  SPEAKER_03: Putting a cap on that hodgepodge block of music right there.
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  SPEAKER_03: That one going up by request to Chuck from North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_03: Malice just before that with Vigilante for the Caucasian sensation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nashville Pussy in there with Till the Meat Falls Off the Bone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I forgot who asked
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  SPEAKER_03: for that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me find it real quick because I don't want to get somebody pissed off at me.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't mention their name.
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  SPEAKER_03: God damn it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Floyd Gundoli wanted that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nashville pussy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Make sure I mention everybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's see here.
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  SPEAKER_03: We heard Spell in there with Take My Life for King Trump,
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  SPEAKER_03: Castle Rat in there with Siren for Foreheady Trunk,
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  SPEAKER_03: Hanoi Rocks with Malibu Beach Nightmare for Winter Steel and Kicking Off That Block,
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  SPEAKER_03: Motley Crue with Misunderstood for Donna Mills and Phil Taggs.
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  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that decapitated tune.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you did.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is my speed, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's your thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is, I mean, day to day, that is what I listen to.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my jam, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I interviewed this band this week called Iatt, I-A-T-T, Iatt.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like this mix of like extreme metal and dream theater.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like Demu Borgir and dream theater just crunched together.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is some of the best shit I have ever listened to.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was so excited to talk to this guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was funny because you could tell this guy does a lot of interviews
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  SPEAKER_01: with people that really don't know shit about what he does.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like all into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, tell me about the concept of this and that and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the interview,
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  SPEAKER_01: he was like, God damn, dude, you really did listen to this record, didn't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's my jam, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love the heavy stuff, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I brush my teeth to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: With a chainsaw.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what that one
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  SPEAKER_03: woman does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Her teeth are a chainsaw.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, on a dick.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we are into the final segment of the Classic Metal Show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm sure you've got a topic to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_03: I only have one topic for this final segment, but you can go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about, I'll put it on the screen.
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  SPEAKER_01: The article itself doesn't matter,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it just made me think,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I wanted to chat with you about it,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the fans too, because I'm curious what they think.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was announced that Henry Rollins is releasing another book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like number 35 or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the man writes a lot of books.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this one is, you know, more of his bullshit about his life and blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, the book doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I saw this,
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  SPEAKER_01: it made me think for a minute about how different the world is now because
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  SPEAKER_01: of social media.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since I know you hate social media, I thought this was a good topic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Has social media made it so that these books that we
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  SPEAKER_01: at one time would be very excited to get from an artist really don't matter anymore?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, I mean, before you comment, think about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have in your collection a zillion books, and I know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know you have like the David Lee Roth book and the Howard Stern books and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: My suggestion to you is had any of that shit happened in the social media era,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe not you,
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  SPEAKER_01: but most people probably do not buy the books because they already hear enough
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  SPEAKER_01: and have enough reason to dislike these guys now to no longer buy these books.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you agree or...
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think for me,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's less about whether you like or dislike a person because of their politics
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  SPEAKER_03: or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just overexposure because,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: without social media and the internet,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know, you knew very little about your favorite artist or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you had to wait.
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  SPEAKER_03: Typically, you would have to wait until...
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  SPEAKER_03: You received a monthly magazine,
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  SPEAKER_03: be it, you know, Spin or, you know, Metal Edge or whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: And whatever you did know
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  SPEAKER_03: about your favorite artist is either you heard maybe your local DJ make a comment
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  SPEAKER_03: that,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: or you read an interview with them that was in one of these music magazines
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  SPEAKER_03: or you saw them on an MTV show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Interview with Kurt Loder or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the coolest things ever would be when one of your buddies was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: dude, you're not going to believe it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to see Megadeth last night and I got to talk to David Ellison for 10 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, you would hear those stories, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, oh, man, tell me everything he told you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you were interested in it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But now it's overexposed now.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's anything and everything you want to know about your favorite artist,
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  SPEAKER_03: you can find it on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_03: True.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, so what is this guy going to give me that I don't know or don't, you know?
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's just too much content is out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also think that These guys using their social media to try to convince you
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  SPEAKER_01: that you're a fucking dummy if you don't think like them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hurts them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, forget Rollins.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's say Sebastian Bach.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, you were a big Sebastian Skid Row fan, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I met him on numerous occasions, you know, prior to the internet.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, obviously I got a couple of photos that...
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_03: when our good friend Rockin' Randy was all into Sebastian,
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  SPEAKER_03: he got us the hookup to where we were.
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  SPEAKER_03: We were invited to come on Sebastian's box bus and hang out with him,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: and I did, you know, and we sat there and hung out and we were in Columbus, Ohio.
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  SPEAKER_03: I believe it was, I don't remember if it was El Rosa.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it was El Rosa.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it was some other venue in Columbus,
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  SPEAKER_03: but regardless of that,
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  SPEAKER_03: We were invited to come out on Sebastian's bus and hang out with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, so that was cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: But would I do that today?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: You won't even listen to his records today?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_03: Just because he just...
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  SPEAKER_03: He's a dick.
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  SPEAKER_01: We found out that he's a dick.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Big one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom Morello.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always knew sort of what his politics were.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I still,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the 90s,
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  SPEAKER_01: man, I played those two Rage Against the Machine records, or CDs, nonstop.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the debut and the one with Bullseye Parade.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the Evil Empire.
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  SPEAKER_01: Evil Empire, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I played those things 10,000 times.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they were mainstays.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same with Pearl Jam,
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  SPEAKER_01: who I know everybody here hates, but I love those first three Pearl Jam records.
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  SPEAKER_01: I own them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, they're great, but yet now, would you cross the street to listen to one song?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because Vedder's a cunt.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's one of these socially driven, you know, his message is the message, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that there's people that actually do take their guidance
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  SPEAKER_01: from whatever rock star on either side, Ted Nugent or Tom Morello?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll go both sides.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you think there are people that will hear Ted Nugent saying,
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  SPEAKER_01: fuck those lefty pigs or Tom Morello saying Donald Trump is a cunt or whatever?
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, yeah, Ted said so, so that's what I think too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, in my opinion, this is my opinion,
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  SPEAKER_03: I think people who lean left are more apt to listen to those people
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  SPEAKER_03: and march lockstep with them.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think people who lean right are a little more independently thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I don't think they would march lockstep with so much even a Ted Nugent.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they might get a good laugh out of Ted or,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: just say,
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  SPEAKER_03: he goes, well, that guy's got some balls to say some shit like that, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: But as far as like, yeah, I'm a Ted Nugent, you know, I follow what he says.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think that the left is more, you know, like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're not independently thinking.
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  SPEAKER_03: They think as a collective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do, and it's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: It really is horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And boy, Foreheady Trunk hit one of those bands that is exactly like that for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what turned me off to U2.
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  SPEAKER_01: They started to come off as pretentious and silly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I was into U2.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Unforgettable Fire, great record.
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  SPEAKER_01: Under a Blood Red Sky, great live record.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even the Joshua Tree, even though it got soft and a little silly with, you know...
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  SPEAKER_01: One love, one life.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that stuff got a little dull, but it's still a pretty good record.
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  SPEAKER_01: And honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: I stayed with you too for a long time because I still say Octoon Baby,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is well after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what, in the 90s?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Octoon Baby?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that record and I like the one after it,
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  SPEAKER_01: the one with the lemon and fly and stuff on it, whatever that was called.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I like that too, but...
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  SPEAKER_01: Once this fucking Bono... What was that, Zoropa?
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  SPEAKER_01: Zoropa, yeah, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: But once, once, what's his name?
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  SPEAKER_01: Bono started talking like he was the emperor of the world and we needed to listen
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  SPEAKER_01: to what he had to say because we were stupid if we didn't see it his way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what, cocksucker?
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  SPEAKER_01: Out.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, just out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sting is another one that got to be tiresome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that, I don't know Sting's stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you know his politics?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know his politics.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not really.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think he's quite as vocal as, you know, a Bono.
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  SPEAKER_03: I haven't really heard anything about Bono in a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he kind of shut up because I think his career dried up because of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, Sting, I don't recall Sting being that preachy about much of anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was such a non-fan of Sting anyway.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sting could be like.
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  SPEAKER_01: I support Chris Akin getting a million dollars from every bank in the country,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I'd be like, I still won't listen to your record, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm just not a fan.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you didn't have the dream of the Blue Turtles?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I did have it, sadly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sadly, I did buy that with, free, free, set them free.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't that on that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I owned it for a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: I owned Synchronicity, too, which makes...
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever look at your own collection and be like, what the fuck was I doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I bought Synchronicity,
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  SPEAKER_01: honestly, because this girl I was dating in high school loved the police.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I bought it again so I'd have it in the car so that when we were in the car,
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  SPEAKER_01: we could play tea in the Sahara with you while we were making out or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, that's really what it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I owned it, but I hated it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what did I do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sting puts out Dream of the Blue Turtles.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Columbia House.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bring that to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so dumb.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I listened to it, like, once.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like, this is terrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why did I buy this?
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  SPEAKER_01: And paid, like, double price for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you remember the Columbia,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you bought it from them, it was, like, $22.50 or something for a cassette.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was stupid priced.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just think these artists, though, getting back to kind of the point,
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  SPEAKER_01: They have literally made it hard to continue to be a fan because they won't shut up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we don't need to know what they think.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: like, and again, you're not on social media, so you're a tough one on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: for those in the chat room that use social media fairly regularly,
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  SPEAKER_01: how fast do you unfollow somebody...
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  SPEAKER_01: When you realize you don't know them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't unfollow them quick enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I go to my Facebook page or something,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I rarely scroll anymore,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I do look at the first two or three that show up,
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  SPEAKER_01: because most of the time it's Sidney Sweeney, so I've got to take a peek.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if the first one is, hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: here's Jim Scott, and I look and he's from fucking wherever in Idaho or something...
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he's talking about,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh my God, me and Jill went out with the dogs today and took a four mile unfollow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why am I seeing this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do I care?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and sure enough, if I don't do that, I know what's going to follow eventually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eventually that douchebag is going to get rubbed the wrong way by whatever politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to start spewing it on either side.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just don't care.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what my friends or my family think about politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why in the fuck would I want to know what Jim in Idaho thinks?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why would I care?
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  SPEAKER_01: And again,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe it's me and I'm not a star fucker at all,
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  SPEAKER_01: but why do I care what Tommy Victor from Prong thinks or Bono or James Headfield
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  SPEAKER_01: or any of them?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why would we care?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do we care is the real question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because obviously somebody must care somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: These guys wouldn't all have 500,000 followers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, here's the other thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: You and I are a little bit exception to the rule when it comes to
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  SPEAKER_03: caring
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  SPEAKER_03: or not caring about what artists think.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because you and I have had the And we have come to learn over the years
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  SPEAKER_03: of meeting people,
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  SPEAKER_03: these guys,
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  SPEAKER_01: as you've put it many times,
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  SPEAKER_03: you just wrote a song I like.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they're just normal people like you and I.
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  SPEAKER_03: Their opinion doesn't matter more than mine or yours.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: But people who don't have access to their favorite rock star,
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: their performer or whomever,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: they still hold them in higher regard because they've never had the chance to shake
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: a hand or rub an elbow or Have a chat with them.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: So, so there's still this untouchable being to them.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: You follow what I'm saying?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I just am not wired that way because I'm just trying to think of who,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: if by some weird opportunity, I got the chance to interview Mick Jagger.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to pick somebody that's like as big as possible.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or if I just got the chance to meet him, just to meet him.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I met him and he said to me,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know what, I got to tell you why you need to be supportive of Kamala Harris.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I would be like, no, I don't, dude.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like start me up.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because even a guy like Mick Jagger,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: top of the top of the top of the food chain,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: In the end,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: he's changing tires at Walmart if he had not figured out how to fucking sing songs.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: He lucked into finding an unbelievable skill that a lot of people enjoy.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: But he's no expert on anything.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: None of them are.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what drives me absolutely batshit crazy,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: is none of them really,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: if you break down, and again, like you said, we all know, we know them.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: We meet them.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: We break bread with them or have beers with them or whatever.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: We get the opportunity to know,
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: and we've met enough people to know,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: that almost all of them,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: if they had not found that unbelievably unique ability to play this on guitar
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: or this on bass or write a hook-filled lyric or something, which is a skill.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to say it's not a skill.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a skill I don't have.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: But other than that, they're just the same as everybody else.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why it drives me crazy when these guys are so fucking arrogant.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, again, the Henry Rollins story doesn't matter so much.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: But what the fuck?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Why does he feel he's so important that he needs to give his ideas in 35 books?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Plus spoken word tours.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, you know,
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he is he's pretty fucking pompous for a guy that was in a punk band.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's not a philosopher.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's the asshole Aryan Nation guy from Sons of Anarchy.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's who he is.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's I mean, honestly, he's not.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Other than his money, I don't know anybody that would aspire to be him.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Not unless you're a liar.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, that's the whole thing.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, people are making a good point about John Lennon was one of the first,
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: and Woody Guthrie is the one first who wrote preachy activist songs.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a problem with anybody writing songs.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Personally,
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: if you write,
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: and I've said that a zillion times,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: if you put your message and whatever your political agenda is in your songs, fine.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the songs are supposed to be, your expression of your principles.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if that's what you want to do with it, so be it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: But that would be,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: that's almost an instant,
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know, Now, because of social media, it's an instant don't listen.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: But back even 20 years ago, I knew you like Pearl Jam, right?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: You said you like Pearl Jam?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got their first three records.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So songs like Glorified G, that's a thousand percent against what me and you represent.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: because that's about,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: you know, gun control and not being able to have guns and all this other shit.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, of course the message about Jeremy too.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you still like those songs, right?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because you didn't care back then.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: But now,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: if you got to go to a show,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: and before you hear Glorified G,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: you get fucking Eddie Vedder on the thing,
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: squashing a Donald Trump mask and saying,
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: nobody should have guns unless they're going to shoot the president,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know, or whatever bullshit he's spewing on the stage.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know what, dude?
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Go fuck yourself.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't all that either.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're just a fucking dude.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're just another fucking junkie that made it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: So fuck off.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it just drives me nuts.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: It drives me absolutely nuts.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish more people would not be such fucking star fuckers.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, maybe it's just because they don't have access.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Probably is.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I personally, I try and try to get my head around it.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the worst thing is now there's so much information,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: even if you take social media out of it,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: the documentaries that we watch now,
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: they're so detailed and they really show you what bags of shit these people are.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I was watching one last night on,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: it was like, I don't know, would you call it a documentary?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like 20 minutes long.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of those YouTube 20 minute stories.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they were talking and I did not know this, which is why I watched it.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was a mini doc about how Eddie Kendrick and David Ruffin from
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Temptations absolutely hated each other, did not like each other.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: They worked together to make money, but they hated each other.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it was because David or one of the two ended up fucking the other guy's girlfriend.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's an age-old story,
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: isn't it?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's some girl named Tammy Terrell.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Ruffin was banging her first,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: and then they broke up,
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: and then immediately Eddie Kendrick started fucking her,
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: and Ruffin hated that, and blah, blah, blah.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: But it went into, it really dug into the whole backstory of the two.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: it ended up really just pointing out What a humongous bag of shit David Ruffin was.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: And in my head, I'm like, man, I love David Ruffin, but man, what a shithead.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what kind of put the thought in my head.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: do you think people that were in the 60s and 70s would worship a David Ruffin
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: if he was like a social media guy today?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And my thought was no.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because he would have exposed himself being a junkie and people would have run
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: for cover from him.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think The Temptations would have had no real career
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: if social media would have been around because it would have got out there
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: about Ruffin being such a junkie and he would not have had the career.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what made me think about, well, why do these guys talk so much?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: About anything but their career.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: In theory, when you are a rock star, the only thing that's supposed to matter is your career.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're really not supposed to be like, well,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: let me tell you about my new wife or here's my dog or
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: all the bullshit
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: that they do now.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, look at, we bought a new house today and we're painting the siding.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, who gives a fuck?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: We get it, you're a guy.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: It just,
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: seeing this article and watching that thing last night kind of put me in a funk
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: where I was like, I wonder what Neely thinks about this.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like you kind of agree.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's just sad.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: It really is just,
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there's no mystery to our, you know, whatever performer we like these days.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if you think back,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: if you think back about all this,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: even way back in the 30s and 40s in Hollywood,
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: they used to have what they called the scandal sheets.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: And basically the Hollywood executives,
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: the movie studio executives would pay off these reporters not to print something in
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: the scandal sheet about one of their stars.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because the less you knew about your favorite star
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: in whatever their personal habits were,
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: whether they were an alcoholic or Womanizer or whatever.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Womanizer or gay or something like that.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, look at how long Rock Hudson was able to cover up his being gay.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: All the way up to the point he had AIDS and died.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: Same thing with Robert Reed of the Brady Bunch.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Could he be the wholesome father of the Brady Bunch by being a fag?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, by taking dick in the ass.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, of course not.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: But if that show was on during the years of the internet,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: that show would have never had six seasons or whatever it was.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: It would have had 14 in today's world.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: They would have had him married to another guy in today's world, sadly.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: So if the internet was something back in the 70s,
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: it would have been shocking to You know,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: it's like, you know, we're not watching that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're not supporting somebody that lives a deviant lifestyle.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, you're right.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just amazing how we've gotten to this point, isn't it?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we've become desensitized to it only because we've been exposed to it for so long.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Makes me sick.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think about society and I'm like, ugh, this sucks.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, again,
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: this is why,
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: long time ago I kind of withdrew from the,
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: being too social,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: out in the public and hanging out with,
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: you know, my friends are very, very close and few and far in between.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: people that I would associate with,
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_03: you know, outside of the, you know, the show or whatever.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I just don't have the stomach for it.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't had the stomach for it for, you know, going on 20 years.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, I hear you.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm 100% with you.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just hate fucking people now.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I hate them.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: When people,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: because people do goof on me a lot because I've really become a hermit and I,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I do spend a lot of time at home.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's why.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because I hate going out.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when I do go out and do even nominal things, I get so fucking mad.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I do.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I mean.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's the behaviors.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's the acceptable behavior of people behaving poorly in public.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just get so frustrated with it, though.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like,
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: and my stories about getting kicked out of the grocery store
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: and stuff are well known.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's because I can't deal with it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: I can't deal with the most basic shit being disregarded.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: like when you're in the aisles,
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: you walk on this side if you're going this way and you walk on that side
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: if you're going that way.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And when they don't, I get fucking annoyed.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I get annoyed when the only way to get away from somebody that's acting like
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: an idiot is for myself to do something.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like go into the other lane and block somebody else out
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: to get around this fucking asshole that's on the wrong side of the aisle.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that's petty and I know it shouldn't bother me at all.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't even remember it.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think most people, they just get out of the way and they don't remember it.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, I'm seething.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, why can't you just fucking get on the right side?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: It shouldn't even be a thought that not you, but this person should not be considerate.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: And it should be second nature, but it's not.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: It just drives me up the fucking wall.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, that's all I really wanted to talk about with the Rollins thing.
• 30:47
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