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Voddie Baucham on CNN - NO COMPROMISE!! · Voddie Baucham Sermons

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  Speaker 1: And she could potentially lead a country, but she'd be
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  Speaker 1: banned from leading many congregations. So why does Sarah Palin
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  Speaker 1: seem to be winning over so many evangelicals? Let's bring
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  Speaker 1: in two people who may have some answers for us.
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  Speaker 1: Woody Bauckham is a pastor at Grace Family Baptist Church
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  Speaker 1: in Spring, Texas. And Margaret Feinberg is an evangelical speaker
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  Speaker 1: who lived in Alaska for five years and saw Palin
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  Speaker 1: get elected to governor. Good to see you both.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Margaret, let's start with you. I want you both actually
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  Speaker 1: to touch on this quickly. Why does her faith matter?
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  Speaker 3: Her faith matters because it says a lot about who
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  Speaker 3: she is as a person and her outlooks on life
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  Speaker 3: and the policies that will come to play in our nation.
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  Speaker 1: Reverend Bauckham?
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  Speaker 2: I agree completely. Political ideology is really an outgrowth of
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  Speaker 2: our religious beliefs. You can't separate what a person believes
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  Speaker 2: from how a person will govern. So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: incredibly important that we know where people stand on religious issues.
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  Speaker 1: So, Margaret, why do you think she's winning over these
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  Speaker 1: evangelicals that have been so skeptical of McCain?
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  Speaker 3: I think on one hand, she's known for her conservative values,
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  Speaker 3: and that's translated in her leadership and her time in Alaska.
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  Speaker 3: But I think also for younger evangelicals, there is a
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  Speaker 3: hunger to see a more exciting ticket. There was kind
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  Speaker 3: of a ho-hum factor for McCain, but when Palin came
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  Speaker 3: on board, she added the vavoom that was so needed
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  Speaker 3: in order to garner the attention and the excitement for
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  Speaker 3: young evangelicals.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what's interesting, Reverend Boggum, she's winning over church
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  Speaker 1: members church leaders that don't even allow women to preach
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  Speaker 1: at the pulpit, yet she could be leading the country.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. The bottom line on that is people
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  Speaker 2: look at this ticket and their fear is that we
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  Speaker 2: will have Barack Obama as our president, that we will
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  Speaker 2: be moved toward a socialist agenda, that we would have
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  Speaker 2: the most radically pro-abortion candidate ever to run for president
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  Speaker 2: to serve in that office. And that is an untenable
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  Speaker 2: position for evangelicals. And so they look at this and
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to decide this based on what's best for
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  Speaker 2: the nation in the here and now, and oftentimes overlooking
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  Speaker 2: some of those other issues.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that that's something that, are you saying
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  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be overlooked? I mean, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: women in evangelical circles where women are not allowed to preach,
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  Speaker 1: let's say Palin and McCain do win, and here you
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  Speaker 1: have this woman that could possibly be leading the free world,
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  Speaker 1: and yet there's evangelicals voting for her that don't even
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  Speaker 1: believe that, that a woman should preach at the pulpit.
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  Speaker 1: Could this change the face of how evangelicals believe in
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  Speaker 1: the woman's role?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it'll change the way evangelicals believe about
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  Speaker 2: women's roles. I think it has sparked a discussion. And
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly, feminism has gained a foothold in many evangelical churches.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's a good thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't. Not at all. Why not? Well, because
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  Speaker 2: we're about the Gospels. The culture doesn't dictate truth. The
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  Speaker 2: gospel dictates truth. My job is not to be a
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  Speaker 2: political pundit or political activist. My job is to be
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  Speaker 2: a pastor and proclaim the truth of the gospel as
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  Speaker 2: clearly as I possibly can. Well, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: What about the Old Testament and the prophet Deborah? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she was a political leader.
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  Speaker 2: She was a wife.
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  Speaker 3: She was a mother.
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  Speaker 1: She was one of the biggest forces in the book
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  Speaker 1: of Judges. So that's the gospel right there.
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  Speaker 2: She certainly was. And the fact that something happened doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that it's normative for the church. In Isaiah chapter 3,
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  Speaker 2: for example... One of the signs that a culture is
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  Speaker 2: under judgment is that women are in leadership in their nations.
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  Speaker 2: So Deborah was actually a sign that things were very
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  Speaker 2: bad in Israel, not a norm for the church.
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  Speaker 1: Margaret, I'm curious to see what you think about this
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  Speaker 1: and what the Reverend is saying.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's a fair perspective, Bodie, but I
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  Speaker 3: think we also need to look at Ephesians 5, which describes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's saying that husbands are to lay down
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  Speaker 3: their lives for their wives just as Jesus Christ laid
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  Speaker 3: down his life for the church. And in the same way,
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  Speaker 3: I think Todd has done an incredible job opening up
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity for Palin to use the gifts and the
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  Speaker 3: talents and the passions that she has been given in
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  Speaker 3: order to make a difference in her community and possibly
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  Speaker 3: in our nation and world on a significant political landscape
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  Speaker 3: and platform.
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  Speaker 2: Effect.
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  Speaker 1: Margaret, is the reverend sounding a little sexist or is
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  Speaker 1: it just me?
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  Speaker 3: I would have to say the reverend is sounding a
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  Speaker 3: little questionable there, but in the sense that I believe
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  Speaker 3: that everyone, despite gender, has an opportunity to serve, to give,
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  Speaker 3: and to play a role in making a difference in
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  Speaker 3: their communities, in their churches, and around the world.
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  Speaker 1: Reverend, this could be an exciting time. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: could break through. We're becoming progressive in so many ways.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing a black man possibly winning the presidency. We're
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  Speaker 1: seeing a woman here that's on the Republican ticket that's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, rousing up evangelicals possibly to think twice about
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  Speaker 1: the woman's role in the church. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: fascinating times.
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  Speaker 2: They are fascinating times, and they're also frightening times. When
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  Speaker 2: you see Margaret Feinberg, you use Ephesians chapter 5, which
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  Speaker 2: clearly says that a husband is the head of the
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  Speaker 2: wife in order to justify somehow with this sleight of
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  Speaker 2: hand that Palin's husband is laying down his life by
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  Speaker 2: allowing her to do that. Number one, she's playing fast
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  Speaker 2: and loose with the text. And secondly, she is also
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  Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that Palin's responsibility as a wife and
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  Speaker 2: mother is governed by scripture, not by whether we feel
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  Speaker 2: it's progressive in our culture.
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  Speaker 1: Margaret, final thoughts there.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that's a narrow interpretation and a boxy interpretation
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  Speaker 3: of the text, as well as the role of women,
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  Speaker 3: who in today's working families, many families in the United
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  Speaker 3: States need both the man and the wife in order
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  Speaker 3: to work outside of the home, in order to support
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  Speaker 3: the family, and to put that kind of burden on
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  Speaker 3: the family, whereby a woman must stay at home. I
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  Speaker 3: just don't think that translates into many working class families today.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my job is not to translate into working
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  Speaker 2: class families. My job is to be honest with the text.
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  Speaker 2: And the text says in Titus chapter 2 and verse 5,
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  Speaker 2: A woman is to be the keeper of her home. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I will not violate the teaching of the text in
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  Speaker 2: order to somehow sound more appropriate for the culture. I
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  Speaker 2: am a herald of the truth of the gospel, and
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  Speaker 2: my job is to teach the gospel according to what
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  Speaker 2: the authors have said, not according to what I think
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  Speaker 2: the culture wants to hear.
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  Speaker 3: I think, Vody, being a keeper of the home can
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  Speaker 3: be translated in so many different ways, and that means
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  Speaker 3: that if a woman happens to be the breadwinner, shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: they have the opportunity to step out and take care
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  Speaker 3: of their family in that way?
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: All right, what about the text that says the man
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  Speaker 1: and the woman should submit to one another? I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave it right there, folks, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be studying the Bible tonight, and I
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  Speaker 1: promise to bring you two back, especially as we see
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  Speaker 1: this go forward and seeing how evangelicals vote. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much, Margaret Feinberg and Reverend Bodie Bauckham.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: All right, guys.