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Cardinals Pitching Shines in San Diego; McGreevy Appreciation · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn and gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: You always know that we start the show with a request,
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Speaker 1: with a pitch, as it were, to get to seven
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Speaker 1: thousand subscribers. Usually we have an ugly graphic, but I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to let people know this is a family oriented show.
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Speaker 1: So I found an old picture of Lance Linn to
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Speaker 1: show that we are a family oriented podcast. And look
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Speaker 1: at that Lance by a Christmas tree. So if you
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Speaker 1: I saw Lance Linn with a Christmas tree, and tell
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Speaker 1: them to subscribe. And gentlemen, slowly we are getting to
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Speaker 1: seven thousand.
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Speaker 2: I hope you liked that picture. Lance That was.
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Speaker 1: From my uh my old photos that I saved in
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Speaker 1: my phone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what year with that? That had been like fourteen, It
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Speaker 3: was too long ago to remember.
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Speaker 2: Kyle, did you like that picture?
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Speaker 4: I mean, considering it's May eleventh and we're not even
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Speaker 4: close to Christmas, I don't know. I mean how did
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Speaker 4: you get a picture Christmas tree or something like?
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Speaker 3: It was in the club that's back when I worked
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Speaker 3: out in the clubhouse every day in the off season
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Speaker 3: and Jim was doing a tour thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I was doing something. So there we go.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I'm telling you what if that slows our coral,
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Speaker 4: If that slows our creep is seven thousand, that's your fault.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no it's not not. You gon enhance it. I
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Speaker 2: was going to pick it up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was before arbitration money. So I was still
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Speaker 3: working at the clubhouse.
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Speaker 2: That was before you guys got the bags. As the
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Speaker 2: kids say.
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have the off day today, two of four
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Speaker 1: in San Diego.
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Speaker 2: Look, if you play five hundred.
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Speaker 1: On the road, generally speaking, you'll be fine in San Diego.
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Speaker 1: Though they're not playing great this year, pretty good ball club.
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Speaker 1: The pitching has been unbelievable. Right, So they gave up
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Speaker 1: a total of four runs in San Diego in the
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Speaker 1: four games, right, just fourteen hits over the four games.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, eight runs. I did the math wrong.
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Speaker 2: Eight runs, fourteen hits in San Diego four game series.
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Speaker 2: Pretty good.
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Speaker 1: And if you look what the Cardinals have done in
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Speaker 1: terms of pitching started bullpen over their last twelve games,
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Speaker 1: you're thinking, maybe maybe this will hold up. So I'm
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Speaker 1: going to start with Lance, who's generally more negative. What
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Speaker 1: are you finding out about the cardinal rotation to this point,
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Speaker 1: because you have to admit it's.
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Speaker 2: Been pretty pretty good.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think you're they're they're limiting runs,
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Speaker 3: they're limiting there's limiting walks. The hits are gonna, you know,
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Speaker 3: they're gonna come and go, you know, throughout the course
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Speaker 3: of a year. I think the main thing what everyone's
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Speaker 3: gonna you know, always hang. You know, what what they're
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Speaker 3: gonna be on is their strikeouts, you know, and griev
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Speaker 3: you through the you know, six innings, punched out nine.
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Speaker 3: So if you look at that set line compared to
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Speaker 3: what he's had, that's more in line with what is
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Speaker 3: e er is. You know, it's expected eras like was
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Speaker 3: over a six before he started that game, which is wild, right.
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Speaker 3: So I think that we've got guys on the team
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Speaker 3: that change speeds, they limit hard contact, you know, they
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Speaker 3: keeps ball on the ground for the most part and
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. With that defense is going to play well.
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Speaker 3: So if the strikeout numbers start trickling up, which I
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Speaker 3: think they will because they they have the ability to
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Speaker 3: strike people out. I think it's you know, learning when
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Speaker 3: and where you can go for it and do the
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Speaker 3: things you're you're capable of, and not getting yourself in
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Speaker 3: negative counts by chasing strikeouts. But as a whole, I
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Speaker 3: think Dusky's got them in a good spot on knowing
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Speaker 3: what they do well and staying within themselves and letting
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Speaker 3: the game dictate when you go for the strikeouts and
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Speaker 3: when you make pitches, get quality outs, quick outs, and
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Speaker 3: soft contacts. So all in all, they have talented arms.
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Speaker 3: I think our whole thing that we're worried about is
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Speaker 3: for me, the whole thing I'm worried about moving forward
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Speaker 3: is the depth. Right if anything happens to them injury wise,
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Speaker 3: they might not have the depth to do the things
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Speaker 3: they do. And as you go in a season, innings
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Speaker 3: build up, and not one person has ever thrown thirty
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Speaker 3: plus starts on a hundred plus eighty on this staff.
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Speaker 3: So those are the things that make me worried as
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Speaker 3: the year goes on. And even in the bullpen, Jojo
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Speaker 3: and Stank are the only two that have ever pitched
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Speaker 3: a full season in the big leagues in the bullpen.
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Speaker 3: So those are the things I'm worried about. Are they
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Speaker 3: talented yes, can they get outs yes, can they get
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Speaker 3: outside a high level yes? Can they sustain it physically
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Speaker 3: for a whole year? And is there any depth to
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Speaker 3: help out when those things do happen. That's gonna be
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Speaker 3: the question as this team moves forward.
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Speaker 2: Accumulation, Kyle, what do you think.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm just looking at some of the last
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Speaker 4: you know, the last couple of weeks. One thing that
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Speaker 4: stands out to me about the Cardinals. Of teams that
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Speaker 4: have played more than like four or five games, let's
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Speaker 4: just let's actually say everybody of the teams that have
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Speaker 4: played six or more games against teams above five hundred,
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Speaker 4: the race have the best record at five and one.
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Speaker 4: And I mean I'm not doing the division here, but
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Speaker 4: I think the Cardinals have the second best record at
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Speaker 4: nine to four. I think that's a big deal. Then,
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Speaker 4: as I look at the Cardinals last couple of weeks,
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Speaker 4: if anybody at the beginning of the season would have
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Speaker 4: said between the Dodgers, Milwaukee and San Diego series to
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Speaker 4: start May, the Cardinals would be two three, four, five, five,
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Speaker 4: and four in those nine games.
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Speaker 5: I think they would have been like, are you crazy?
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Speaker 4: So, I mean, I think in San Diego the Cardinals
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Speaker 4: beat the Padres for thirty five of the thirty seven
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Speaker 4: innings they played. You know, they gave up a late
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Speaker 4: homer there from Riley and the three spot in the
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Speaker 4: fifth inning on Saturday. They're playing really good baseball. Starting
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Speaker 4: pitching is doing an incredible job, Jim. I understand, like
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Speaker 4: maybe the Potters haven't been hitting, you know how we
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Speaker 4: believe they can hit. But if my numbers are matching up,
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Speaker 4: they're a top that division right now, ahead of the Dodgers,
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Speaker 4: who have shown that they're human. So I think the
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Speaker 4: Cardinals are are really doing a lot, and I think
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Speaker 4: they're pitching has a lot to do with it, because,
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Speaker 4: like Lance said, a young offense is going to go
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Speaker 4: through tough time pitching staff and you know, shoot, that's
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Speaker 4: a really good pitching staff that they just did well
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Speaker 4: against out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hitting is the thing I think that has
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Speaker 1: frustrated some Padres fans. Lance, let's have a segment and
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Speaker 1: appreciate Michael McGreevy. Now you brought up expected era, and
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Speaker 1: sometimes those numbers have merit, and sometimes they don't. But
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Speaker 1: one thing we've seen about McGreevy is that he's able
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Speaker 1: to adjust adapt First of all, he's pitching in front
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Speaker 1: of family and friends. Adds a little pressure to it
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Speaker 1: because he's from the San Diego areas Sant Clementy, and
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Speaker 1: he goes out and he pitches probably his best game
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Speaker 1: six innings, nine k's, and uh, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: questions about it. Does he have enough vela to get
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Speaker 1: through it? He's got a lot of pitches and he
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Speaker 1: seems to be able to figure out on the fly
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Speaker 1: how to attack opposing hitters. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: what McGreevey and is era right now? Is a ticket
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Speaker 1: above two? What do you make about what he's been
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Speaker 1: able to accomplish a quarter the way through the season.
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Speaker 3: No, I think it's great. I mean you're looking at
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Speaker 3: a guy who has all the tools and all the
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Speaker 3: pitches to do the things he needs to do. I
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Speaker 3: think nowadays people see, Okay, well, he's struck out nine
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Speaker 3: the other day, so that's a that's a plus, right
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Speaker 3: if he can If you're looking at you, you look
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Speaker 3: up at the end of every outing and he's right around.
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Speaker 3: Let's say six innings, five or six strikeouts or even
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Speaker 3: in the four strikeouts range. And then he doesn't throw
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Speaker 3: one hundred miles an hour or you know, ninety five plus.
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Speaker 3: But he's got multiple pitches. They all come out of
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Speaker 3: the same tunnels. He's able to throw him where he
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Speaker 3: wants to, and he's able to get soft contact. That's
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Speaker 3: called pitching. Right. He isn't a I need to spin
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Speaker 3: it hard or vlo guy, which every most everyone else is.
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Speaker 3: So he brings something different and can get outs at
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Speaker 3: a different level. If he tried to throw the ball harder,
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Speaker 3: he would miss his spots and probably have harder contact. Right.
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Speaker 3: So I think you need to realize that everybody can
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Speaker 3: get outs in the big league if they do it
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Speaker 3: a way that they're capable of. And what he's showing
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Speaker 3: is there are multiple ways to do it. He's got
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Speaker 3: all the pitches. Like I said, I think the main
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Speaker 3: thing with him is going to be don't try to
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Speaker 3: be something you're not. Be okay with what you have
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Speaker 3: because what you have is multiple quality offerings that can
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Speaker 3: keep hitters off balance, and then you use your defense
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Speaker 3: very well. You see, every every good rotation has guys
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Speaker 3: like that. I mean with your work. Kyle was one
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Speaker 3: of those guys, and they pitch a long time in
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Speaker 3: this game and they have a chance to make a
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Speaker 3: lot of money and get a lot of wins. He's
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Speaker 3: got all those tools to do the same thing that
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Speaker 3: someone like Kyle did in his career, and I think
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Speaker 3: that's what people need to realize. He's not going to
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Speaker 3: be a ten strikeout prainning guy or a per nine guy,
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Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to be. If he's anywhere in
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Speaker 3: the seven eight range, he's going to be. He's going
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Speaker 3: to be a really, really good pitcher for a long time,
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Speaker 3: and he.
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Speaker 2: Can get a lovely patio like cal Gibson has.
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Speaker 5: The new ones going up right now.
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Speaker 3: The new ones not in California.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not in California. You got to stay in the Midwest.
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Speaker 4: The new ones going up now, Jim. Maybe here by
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Speaker 4: the end of the summer, we'll show you the new patio,
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Speaker 4: will do an outdoor episode out there. I assumed that
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Speaker 4: was you kicking it to me, Jim, so I'll go
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Speaker 4: ahead and put my.
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Speaker 5: Sense in here.
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Speaker 4: It's what's interesting one. I think when we look at
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Speaker 4: the teams that McGreevy has done this against. I think
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Speaker 4: that's pretty good. Obviously, the Dodgers and the Padres, Cleveland
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Speaker 4: playoff team, Detroit playoff team, Tampa playoff team. He's done
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Speaker 4: it against some good some good teams, and Seattle, by
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Speaker 4: all accounts, is probably a playoff team. So the only
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Speaker 4: non playoff teams he faces Washington in Miami, all right,
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Speaker 4: and Washington, I think, what don't they have, like the
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Speaker 4: most they get their head a ton of homers or
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Speaker 4: something like that. So he's faced some good offenses. So
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Speaker 4: he's done well. What I wanted to look here is
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Speaker 4: at his walks. Right, So the whole time in my career,
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Speaker 4: walks ended up being a little bit of a hiccup
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Speaker 4: chance for me. Now I looked at it, some of
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Speaker 4: his good starts, he actually has a couple walks because
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Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some offenses where you stay
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Speaker 4: on the edges. He's a ground ball pitcher. You have
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Speaker 4: a good defense, don't give in when you don't have
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Speaker 4: to give in, And I think that's something that he'll
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Speaker 4: he will figure out the time, if he hasn't already,
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Speaker 4: when to give in, when he needs to stay in
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Speaker 4: the strike zone. Maybe when the best chance here is
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Speaker 4: to get yourself. Don't give something in the middle of
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Speaker 4: the zone. Here, give the free base and go get
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Speaker 4: your double play. That's not always the best strategy, obviously,
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Speaker 4: but I mean he's got you three walks against the Dodgers,
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Speaker 4: no runs, two walks against the Padres, no runs. He
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Speaker 4: can pitch even with guys on base, and he's got
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Speaker 4: a good defense behind him. So Glenn Perkins with somebody
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Speaker 4: in Minnesota who told me, Gibby, you can go out
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Speaker 4: there and try to get strikeouts all you want, but
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Speaker 4: if you don't walk guys every six innings, just like
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Speaker 4: Lance just said, try to have four or five strikeouts.
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Speaker 4: And if you have four or five strikeouts in your
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Speaker 4: six innings and you have him at the right time,
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Speaker 4: you're gonna be just fine. Because baseball really is a
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Speaker 4: game of when. You know, when Michael McGreevey gets that
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Speaker 4: big strikeout is more important than sometimes how many he gets.
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Speaker 4: You know, I would love to have that strikeout based
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Speaker 4: load of two outs, not first guy the inning, right,
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Speaker 4: So if he can mix those in at the right times,
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Speaker 4: he's gonna be just fine without the strikeouts.
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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of pitches in his arsenal. I
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Speaker 1: think his biggest weapon, though, is his maturity. He's wise
12:21
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Speaker 1: Again, it's an off day for the Cardinals. They will
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Speaker 1: be in Sacramento to take on the Sacramento As. Of course,
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Speaker 1: the A's will be in Las Vegas in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: What a what a.
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Speaker 1: Weird season this is for Major League Baseball? Right, there's
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Speaker 1: uncertainty with the broadcast rights, there could be a lockout.
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Speaker 1: And you look in the American League and there's three
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Speaker 1: teams over five hundred. You look in the NL Central,
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Speaker 1: every team is is above five hundred.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of what's going on
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Speaker 1: in baseball this year. Lance, Does any of this make
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Speaker 1: sense to you that the Cardinals are playing in Sacramento
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Speaker 1: tonight or I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like when you look at it off
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Speaker 3: day in Sacramento something we never said, Kyle, So, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting, right it is. It's a crazy game.
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Speaker 3: You know. Obviously they're you know, adding new ballparks, new cities,
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. I mean that's how the game's growing.
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Speaker 3: I will say this Oakland, the coliseum, it needed some help.
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Speaker 3: So I think that when you when you look at it,
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Speaker 3: I think we might have enjoyed Sacramento a little bit
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Speaker 3: more than we did. That's my guess. So but yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's it's still interesting to see the A's in Sacramento.
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Speaker 3: But all in counts. I mean, they're they're they're trying,
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Speaker 3: they're doing their thing. It's gonna be fun to see
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Speaker 3: them in in Vegas when it comes time. And when
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Speaker 3: you look at the win lost the record, I in
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Speaker 3: that sense love it right because all these teams that
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Speaker 3: all the computer people typed into their things said this
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Speaker 3: and that, as of right now, they're wrong. So it
15:12
Speaker 3: shows you that baseball still has to be played. People
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Speaker 3: that are standing behind or sitting behind computer screens wearing
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Speaker 3: khakis and tucked in shirts do not know everything. So
15:24
Speaker 3: that's where I'm going to talk about right now, is
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Speaker 3: that's what I love about baseball. Not to say these
15:28
Speaker 3: teams that are really good and spend a lot of
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Speaker 3: money aren't going to win games. But you know, sometimes
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Speaker 3: you got to play the game and the players actually matter,
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Speaker 3: not the algorithm that you put in for what you
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Speaker 3: think should be what it is.
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Speaker 1: So when Tampa had the problems, Kyle right, they had
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Speaker 1: to play where they play spring training games. Sacramento is
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Speaker 1: a minor league ball park that's being used temporarily by
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Speaker 1: the A's for a major league or does that stuff
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Speaker 1: even matter? I mean, I go back to when Wrigley
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Speaker 1: hadn't been renovated yet and that was for the visiting
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Speaker 1: team that was a minor league setup and didn't bother
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Speaker 1: anyone back then? Should this bother major leaguers to be
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Speaker 1: playing in a ballpark like that?
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Speaker 4: I mean, bothering them? And something that gets talked about
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Speaker 4: is probably different. You know, I'm guessing not many people
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Speaker 4: will come out in the media and talk about the
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Speaker 4: downsides of being in Sacramento or how bad the Chicago
16:27
Speaker 4: Clubhouse used to be. You know, it just kind of
16:29
Speaker 4: looks like whining and not really a good look, I
16:34
Speaker 4: would guess. But I mean there's a lot of talk.
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Speaker 4: I guarantee, I've never been to that Sacramento park. It
16:38
Speaker 4: could be a one of the nicer minor league parks.
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Speaker 4: I have no idea, but yeah, I mean I think
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Speaker 4: it's a it's interesting last year you know, playing in
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Speaker 4: the spring training complex like the Rays did all year
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Speaker 4: with it being a divisional rival. The Yankee Spring training
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Speaker 4: Complex was interesting also, But I mean it's I think
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Speaker 4: when it comes down to it, like in that situation,
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Speaker 4: owners decide, Hey, what's best for the game of baseball, right,
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Speaker 4: So I'm glad that one worked out Sacramento. I've always
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Speaker 4: kind of I don't think it's gonna play out because
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Speaker 4: it seems like Vegas is for sure gonna happen. But
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Speaker 4: I always kind of thought there was a chance that
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Speaker 4: they stayed in Sacramento depending on how some of those
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Speaker 4: Vegas stuff worked out. I don't even know are they
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Speaker 4: even calling them the Sacramento A's. I feel like they're
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Speaker 4: just the Athletics.
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Speaker 2: Nope, they're Sacramento for this year.
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Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
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Speaker 4: I mean I think it's great for the people of Sacramento.
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's probably a lot of A's fans up there.
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Speaker 4: It's probably a pretty cool opportunity for them. So one
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Speaker 4: thing I do want to point out in the weirdness
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Speaker 4: of baseball. You know, we talked about the National League
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Speaker 4: in the American League and the record disparity the National
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Speaker 4: League is twenty three games over five hundred against the
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Speaker 4: American League so far in twenty twenty six. That's pretty
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Speaker 4: crazy considering we're just in the beginning of May. But
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Speaker 4: I think it shows maybe the National League has, you know,
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Speaker 4: obviously have some team that have outdone expectations. The American
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Speaker 4: League has plenty of teams that have not lived up
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Speaker 4: to the expectations, Seattle being under five hundred, Houston being
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Speaker 4: in the cellar of the American League, and Boston and
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Speaker 4: you know, Kansas City, Detroit all being under five hundred.
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Speaker 4: So definitely some teams that haven't lived up to expectations.
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Speaker 4: But the National League has been playing really well so far.
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Speaker 1: Now, Lambs, I want to take you back to the
18:24
Speaker 1: coliseum because you say, you know, you don't want to
18:27
Speaker 1: complain about the facilities because it's a bad look. But
18:31
Speaker 1: I think you were there when one year there was
18:34
Speaker 1: ross sewage leaking into the visitors clubhouse.
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Speaker 5: It was raw.
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Speaker 3: When you're walking around in shit, you can complain about it,
18:43
Speaker 3: literal shit.
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Speaker 4: All right, But you know what the other thing is,
18:48
Speaker 4: everybody heard about that story. So when you were walking
18:51
Speaker 4: around that locker room, you never walked around there without
18:54
Speaker 4: shower shoes on every now and then you might go
18:56
Speaker 4: to like a locker and sit there and not have
18:58
Speaker 4: her shower shoes on. But you just never knew was
19:00
Speaker 4: the carpet wet just from somebody's shower or is this
19:04
Speaker 4: leaking from somewhere else. So I would say the coliseum
19:06
Speaker 4: was a place that people were allowed to complain about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge situations.
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Speaker 1: Even ignoring the sewage aspect. When players went to the
19:21
Speaker 1: field out of the visitors clubhouse, there was a hallway
19:25
Speaker 1: and there was a piece of tape down the middle
19:28
Speaker 1: of that corridor, fans on one side, players on the other,
19:33
Speaker 1: and it said there was a sign, please don't talk
19:36
Speaker 1: to the players. Can you imagine, I mean, you guys
19:39
Speaker 1: been through it. I can't imagine you got sauced up
19:43
Speaker 1: fans walking right next to you down a corridor that
19:47
Speaker 1: you have to use to get to the field.
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Speaker 2: That's not a good recipe.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean, I don't know about you.
19:53
Speaker 2: Lance.
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Speaker 4: We both spent time in Texas. We both spent time
19:56
Speaker 4: in the American League. I never had any type of
19:58
Speaker 4: an issue there.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
20:00
Speaker 4: And I pitched against Okloum when they were really good
20:02
Speaker 4: and when they weren't really good. I think for the
20:05
Speaker 4: most part, you've got fans who understand when they stand
20:08
Speaker 4: in the corridor and every person walking past them is
20:11
Speaker 4: much bigger than them, they tend to kind of not
20:16
Speaker 4: get too rowdy, and I think just respect wins in
20:20
Speaker 4: that situation. I don't think, you know, nobody wants to
20:22
Speaker 4: have the security guardill on Adam and kicking him out
20:24
Speaker 4: and saying you can't come back.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes twelve beers gives people a lot of courage. Lands
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Speaker 1: Did you ever see anything walking down that little corridor?
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Speaker 3: No, I never had any issues there. Everybody was they
20:39
Speaker 3: when I was walking through, they were out of my way.
20:41
Speaker 3: So yeah, I wasn't worried about anybody.
20:45
Speaker 5: No one.
20:45
Speaker 3: No one popped off, even the dugout. I mean they're
20:47
Speaker 3: right there, not too far away stuff like that. That
20:51
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, some of the nicest fans
20:54
Speaker 3: that that I came across were there, So we never
20:58
Speaker 3: had any issues there. Had some issues at other ballparks,
21:01
Speaker 3: but usually your rowdy ones are in the outfield. You know,
21:04
Speaker 3: they're those they get in for you know, cheaper, and
21:08
Speaker 3: the beers float a little easier out there. The unrolldy
21:11
Speaker 3: ones are usually behind home play in the in the
21:14
Speaker 3: more expensive seats, so they have a little bit more
21:20
Speaker 3: feel on what to do and what not to do.
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Speaker 4: Pretty twenty twenty, that was a fun place to play.
21:26
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they had a good atmosphere. They've
21:28
Speaker 4: got the two really big speakers up above both fal poles.
21:32
Speaker 4: They play loud music. It's got really good bass. The
21:35
Speaker 4: fans out on the outfield are pretty rowdy, and when
21:38
Speaker 4: that place has a lot of fans, it was a
21:40
Speaker 4: fun place to play.
21:42
Speaker 1: They have some great history with that ball club. The
21:45
Speaker 1: age old question our pictures really the best athletes on
21:50
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I posted someone on Twitter
23:00
Speaker 1: to cause an uproar. But my wife's brother in law,
23:04
Speaker 1: she had this picture of him in little league. Okay,
23:07
Speaker 1: and you know this is from literally fifty years ago.
23:11
Speaker 1: Nice little team. That's her dad in the upper corner,
23:14
Speaker 1: upper right hand corner. He was a coach, and that's
23:17
Speaker 1: my brother in law next to him, and they're all
23:19
Speaker 1: wearing jeans. And it just it may me feel nostalgic
23:22
Speaker 1: from a time where in baseball you played little league,
23:25
Speaker 1: they give you a hat, they give you a T shirt,
23:28
Speaker 1: you bought your jeans at Sears, and you went out
23:31
Speaker 1: and you played, and there was some blowback. Oh we
23:34
Speaker 1: never there was always baseball pants. I know, you guys
23:38
Speaker 1: were from day one probably identified as elite athletes with
23:43
Speaker 1: potential to play college, major league. Did you ever have
23:47
Speaker 1: to play baseball in blue jeans?
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Speaker 3: Kyle?
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Speaker 4: I don't know that I ever played in blue jeans.
23:54
Speaker 4: I'd have to think back. You know, maybe team you
23:58
Speaker 4: first coaches pitch. Yeah, I mean, but my dad was
24:01
Speaker 4: you know, he played baseball, and he was a coach
24:03
Speaker 4: that always wore baseball pants. So you know, if he
24:07
Speaker 4: was wearing pants, I was wearing pants. So I mean
24:09
Speaker 4: there was no like, hey, let's wear sweatpants today, Kyle, Nope, Uh,
24:13
Speaker 4: it was baseball pants. But I mean to think that
24:17
Speaker 4: you haven't seen videos of the of the men's league
24:20
Speaker 4: or little league where they just go out there and
24:22
Speaker 4: they just playing whatever they had. You know, those jeans
24:24
Speaker 4: held up too.
24:24
Speaker 5: They didn't they didn't seem to rips as these baseball pants.
24:28
Speaker 4: But I really I'm surprised you didn't get as much
24:30
Speaker 4: blowback from bringing in Sears on that. You know, I'm
24:34
Speaker 4: guessing I do remember Sears from the Midwest and them
24:37
Speaker 4: selling clothes. I don't know that some of your followers
24:39
Speaker 4: even really realized what Sears was and probably thought of
24:42
Speaker 4: them as a tool shop not as much a clothing store.
24:45
Speaker 4: But they sold it all.
24:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had tough skin jeans, tough skin Lance. I
24:50
Speaker 1: guarantee you never wore tough skin jeans. But some of
24:53
Speaker 1: my followers on the on the social media tend to
24:58
Speaker 1: tend to be a little older in that demographic. But Lancy,
25:02
Speaker 1: you never wore jeans out there, right, you were an
25:05
Speaker 1: elite athlete from day one.
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Speaker 3: Jim, you're talking about fifty years ago. Kyle and I
25:11
Speaker 3: are not even forty yet, like you, like, we have
25:14
Speaker 3: no idea what you're talking about. You're like multiple generations
25:18
Speaker 3: ahead of it. But the way that I incorporate this
25:21
Speaker 3: are they wearing their converse like Samlot, Right, So if
25:26
Speaker 3: that's what they were going for back then, that was
25:28
Speaker 3: the that was the era that they lived in. You know,
25:31
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, it's where my well, my chuck Taylor's
25:34
Speaker 3: and my and my jeans and let's go be benning
25:37
Speaker 3: the Jet Rodriguez today, you know. So yeah, if they're
25:40
Speaker 3: doing that, then I'm all for it if that was
25:42
Speaker 3: the game plan. But yes, nowadays you wear you wear
25:46
Speaker 3: baseball pants in most most every category. But I will
25:51
Speaker 3: say this, you said earlier on before we started, that
25:53
Speaker 3: you don't just get a hat and a T shirt.
25:55
Speaker 3: I beg to differ. All of my kids have gotten
25:59
Speaker 3: a shirt and a hat and that's all they get
26:01
Speaker 3: for a little league. So we went and got some
26:03
Speaker 3: baseball pants. No jeens in our household on the field.
26:07
Speaker 3: And I am anti jeens on a golf course too,
26:10
Speaker 3: and I see that more times than i'd like. So
26:13
Speaker 3: if you're doing athletic things, I want you to wear
26:17
Speaker 3: athletic clothes. Is my is my motto.
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Speaker 2: That's fair. That's now.
26:22
Speaker 1: I thought the picture though, would would frame this next
26:25
Speaker 1: question because it's been my experience playing a little baseball
26:28
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and then seeing how it unfolded
26:32
Speaker 1: with my kid too. Every kid wants to be a pitcher.
26:37
Speaker 1: Now it could be the best athlete on the team
26:39
Speaker 1: who wants to play short. He's gonna end up pitching right,
26:42
Speaker 1: because usually the kids that are the best athletes that
26:45
Speaker 1: throw harder, and you want them on the mount. So
26:48
Speaker 1: it kind of brought me to this because I'm I
26:51
Speaker 1: have two pictures. I know the answers, but you hear
26:54
Speaker 1: it all the time, Kyle. Are pitchers in Major League
26:58
Speaker 1: Baseball the best athlete on the field.
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Speaker 2: Or is that not the case?
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Speaker 5: Yes, they're the best athletes on the field for sure.
27:10
Speaker 1: No, I mean because you're in the club.
27:15
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just saying that.
27:18
Speaker 4: I think it's Baseball is a pretty I mean, I
27:21
Speaker 4: guess most sports might be pretty unique in this, but like,
27:23
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of things on the field that
27:25
Speaker 4: one player can't do that another player can in another position.
27:28
Speaker 4: And I guess that probably is all sports, but baseball is.
27:31
Speaker 4: You would think everybody could throw, right, because you have
27:33
Speaker 4: to write, not everybody on a football field has to throw.
27:36
Speaker 4: So when Brian Doser comes up and says, oh, I
27:38
Speaker 4: could definitely hit ninety and then if he actually tried,
27:41
Speaker 4: he was barely going to hit eighty miles an hour.
27:44
Speaker 4: There's just certain things that you can't do. Just like
27:47
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be able to, you know, be
27:49
Speaker 4: nearly as fast as those guys because of just where
27:51
Speaker 4: I was at in my career. So no, I would
27:54
Speaker 4: say pitchers are not the most athletic on the field
27:57
Speaker 4: because not many people are more athletic than Byron Buckstenter,
28:01
Speaker 4: Victor Scott.
28:01
Speaker 5: Or even Brian Doser.
28:04
Speaker 3: You named the.
28:04
Speaker 5: Player, right, They're all really athletic.
28:06
Speaker 4: But it's more difficult to stand still and to pick
28:11
Speaker 4: your leg up and throw ninety than people give you
28:13
Speaker 4: credit for.
28:16
Speaker 1: Lance, you played all the sports when you were younger.
28:18
Speaker 1: You were a good basketball player. Who knows what else
28:22
Speaker 1: if that had been your direction, right, because they made
28:25
Speaker 1: you a non athlete saying you couldn't hit anymore, You
28:28
Speaker 1: have to focus on this. Would would you consider yourself
28:33
Speaker 1: in your prime, maybe when you're a little younger, to
28:36
Speaker 1: be one of the best athletes on the field at
28:37
Speaker 1: the time.
28:39
Speaker 3: See, I'm gonna go out and here I'm gonna tell
28:41
Speaker 3: you this. I was the best baseball player on the
28:46
Speaker 3: field a lot of my life. I was never the
28:49
Speaker 3: best athlete on the field. That's true. Baseball is a
28:53
Speaker 3: sport where you do not have to be the best
28:54
Speaker 3: athlete to be the best player. And that's you know,
28:57
Speaker 3: there's really no other hit. When I was growing up,
28:59
Speaker 3: I could hit a little bit. I went to college,
29:02
Speaker 3: they said, hey, you're going to pitch only because you
29:04
Speaker 3: just got drafted. Pissed me right off. But when you're
29:07
Speaker 3: not allowed to do things, when you're not allowed to
29:10
Speaker 3: do things and anyone can catch, we weren't allowed to
29:13
Speaker 3: play basketball anymore, you're not allowed to do anything. So you,
29:17
Speaker 3: as a pitcher, get taught to be an athletic because
29:21
Speaker 3: they don't allow you to be an athlete anymore. Hell, Kyle,
29:23
Speaker 3: remember we got in trouble in spring training because we
29:25
Speaker 3: wanted to just take ground balls, not on the mount
29:28
Speaker 3: like hit us some much short shop. You're like, oh,
29:29
Speaker 3: you can't do that. It's like, well, why don't you
29:31
Speaker 3: just make me sit there and do nothing all day
29:33
Speaker 3: and not let me be athletic. And that's the problem
29:36
Speaker 3: with a lot of things. Kyle and I both played
29:38
Speaker 3: multiple sports growing up, played multiple positions when we played
29:41
Speaker 3: baseball until we were into college and then doing all that.
29:44
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I mean this day and age,
29:48
Speaker 3: if you're a pitcher only already in high school, you
29:50
Speaker 3: are not the best athlete on the field. I promise
29:52
Speaker 3: you that. So no, you cannot say pictures are the
29:54
Speaker 3: best athletes on the field. If you're PO in high school, sorry,
30:00
Speaker 3: concentrate on your pitching. Brother, don't think you're athletic.
30:04
Speaker 5: You better hit the ball really far.
30:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of that kind of hits home for
30:11
Speaker 1: the Hayes family and PO picture only.
30:13
Speaker 2: Oh, that kind of hurts.
30:15
Speaker 1: Last thing, since we are on this category, you guys
30:18
Speaker 1: are both a wealth of knowledge about pitching. So I
30:23
Speaker 1: want each one of you. I'll start with you, Kyle,
30:25
Speaker 1: give me one piece of sound advice for someone watching
30:29
Speaker 1: whose kid is a pitcher who wants to either take
30:33
Speaker 1: it to the next level or just excel at the
30:35
Speaker 1: level at which they're playing.
30:38
Speaker 5: Holy smokes.
30:42
Speaker 4: Man, I would say, in an age where, first off,
30:47
Speaker 4: I did play multiple sports, but I stopped after seventh grade.
30:49
Speaker 5: So I in an age.
30:50
Speaker 4: Where we're telling everybody to play a bunch of sports,
30:53
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly the best person to sit here and
30:55
Speaker 4: advocate for that because I specialized pretty young. Now, I
30:59
Speaker 4: was actually actually having this conversation with somebody yesterday. One
31:02
Speaker 4: thing I did my entire youth was I really never
31:06
Speaker 4: stopped playing baseball, even in basketball season. You know, if
31:11
Speaker 4: we had fifteen or twenty minutes. You know, we'd go
31:12
Speaker 4: to the cage, or we'd go play catch. I just
31:15
Speaker 4: it was just something My dad was a baseball guy,
31:17
Speaker 4: and you know that kind of leaked into my.
31:19
Speaker 5: Life and grew that passion for me.
31:21
Speaker 4: So I will say, throwing to me is like being
31:26
Speaker 4: a sprinter or in that realm of athleticism where you
31:30
Speaker 4: would never tell a sprinter go take three months off
31:33
Speaker 4: from running and then show back up and be ready
31:36
Speaker 4: to run again. I think throwing is something that you
31:39
Speaker 4: need to do consistently, and I think your rest period
31:43
Speaker 4: should look like active rest, where it's a couple of
31:45
Speaker 4: times a week, even if it's just in the backyard,
31:47
Speaker 4: just going to throw with their dad, with their mom,
31:49
Speaker 4: with their siblings. Whatever it is, you got to throw
31:52
Speaker 4: if you want to get your arm stronger. So I
31:56
Speaker 4: would say, fine, find a long toss program that you
31:58
Speaker 4: can get on a couple times week in the off season,
32:01
Speaker 4: and then figure out find somebody who can help you
32:04
Speaker 4: scale that back when you need it, build it up
32:06
Speaker 4: when you need it. But throwing is one of those
32:08
Speaker 4: things where if you don't do it, it's going to
32:11
Speaker 4: go away pretty quick.
32:14
Speaker 2: LS one piece of advice.
32:15
Speaker 3: You don't use it, you lose it, So keep.
32:19
Speaker 5: Throwing, saving that for your lands.
32:24
Speaker 3: Well, we talked about this earlier. You got to throw right.
32:27
Speaker 3: I think a lot of kids now get on the
32:29
Speaker 3: mountain or just throw the ball as hard as they can.
32:32
Speaker 3: I say, the number one thing that I would think about,
32:34
Speaker 3: the number one thing I'm going to teach my kids
32:36
Speaker 3: is everyone wants to throw the ball far blah blah blah.
32:39
Speaker 3: You only go back as far as you can control
32:41
Speaker 3: where you're throwing it too. So every time you throw something,
32:46
Speaker 3: you have a purpose with where you're throwing it, and
32:48
Speaker 3: you have an intent with where you're throwing it. And
32:50
Speaker 3: then you get to a certain point where that's just
32:52
Speaker 3: so far as I can go. I can far back
32:55
Speaker 3: as I can go, controlling where I'm throwing it and
32:58
Speaker 3: where I can get it there. And then you stay
33:00
Speaker 3: there and then you build strength there and then you'll
33:03
Speaker 3: eventually be able to go back further. So I think
33:05
Speaker 3: that's the way to build arm strength but also build
33:08
Speaker 3: control at the same time. And you're getting some out
33:11
Speaker 3: of it if you go back and long toss and
33:12
Speaker 3: throw the ball as high as you can to get
33:14
Speaker 3: it where you're going, you're getting nothing out of it,
33:16
Speaker 3: and you're also creating bad mechanics on you're throwing and
33:19
Speaker 3: putting yourself in probably situations where you're going to create
33:22
Speaker 3: not only bad habits, but a chance for injury. So
33:26
Speaker 3: where you're throwing, and the distance you're throwing, the arc
33:30
Speaker 3: you're throwing at all matters to building arm strength, especially
33:33
Speaker 3: for pitchers, but not only outfielders, and all that. At
33:37
Speaker 3: no point in any time in a game do you
33:38
Speaker 3: throw a ball straight up in the air. So long
33:40
Speaker 3: toss where you're throwing the ball straight up in the
33:41
Speaker 3: air is pointless. It gets you nowhere to it gets
33:43
Speaker 3: you nowhere. But if you're throwing a ball on the
33:45
Speaker 3: line where you're trying to throw the ball through people's heads,
33:48
Speaker 3: that gets carry and that builds arm strength. You want
33:51
Speaker 3: carrying arm strength. When those go together, then you're in
33:53
Speaker 3: a good spot.
33:56
Speaker 1: Sound advice, gentlemen. And as we started showing that this
34:00
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34:04
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