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5x WS champ David Cone joins Karl Ravech on Dirt From The Dugout · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. How are you doing today? Alongside my partner,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Musil, I'm Carl Ravitch. Welcome to the latest edition
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  Speaker 1: of Dirt from the Duggar, our podcast today with an
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  Speaker 1: absolute superstar, in my opinion, should be a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: He's got five World Series rings. He's got every other
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  Speaker 1: award you can imagine. Not only that, he's an award-winning person.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to David Cohen in just a minute. I
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  Speaker 1: want to remind everybody, though, that you can get involved
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  Speaker 1: at theparentdugout.com, and you're in the room, like you're in
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  Speaker 1: the room where it happens, asking the questions of the
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  Speaker 1: experts that we bring on to help you along your
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  Speaker 1: baseball journey. That's theparentdugout.com. All right, Noose, how's your week been?
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  Speaker 1: I went out to Santa Fe, New Mexico, having never
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  Speaker 1: been out there. First of all, the ball flies a
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  Speaker 1: lot further, which is just a wonderful thing out there.
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  Speaker 1: The mountains are gorgeous. We took a ride up to Taos.
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  Speaker 1: I am refreshed. I am invigorated. I am ready to roll.
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  Speaker 2: Did you take some hikes up there?
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  Speaker 3: What did you do, man? I know you're not a
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  Speaker 3: big heights guy. You're not a big heights.
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  Speaker 1: Guy, right? But my hike involved 18 holes twice. That
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  Speaker 1: was my hike. My wife, the great Christina, she's hiking mountains.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a mountain person. And in fact, it was
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  Speaker 1: so silly. We went up on a gondola, like a gondola,
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  Speaker 1: those ski rides that get you to the top of
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  Speaker 1: the mountain. And I freaked. I can't be up there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. getting close to the edge. We
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  Speaker 1: were on the ride home standing above the Rio Grande river.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, let's take a picture. And she's sort
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  Speaker 1: of backing up. We're on the road, but she's backing
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  Speaker 1: up towards Rio Grande. And I'm like, why do we
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  Speaker 1: need to be that close? No, it's right there. It's
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  Speaker 1: behind us. Everybody can see it. We're not getting that close.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to be up where I can fall.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, my hike in all 36 holes at a
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  Speaker 1: phenomenal golf course out there. Thus, I think this is
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  Speaker 1: the sun, but it's a Las Campanas is the name
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  Speaker 1: of it. Wonderful people. I'll say that about the folks
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  Speaker 1: out in New Mexico and Santa Fe. Great people, friendly,
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  Speaker 1: willing to help. Just wonderful. So great experience. And that
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  Speaker 1: was my hike. I was on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, Ravi. One time I was on my
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  Speaker 3: way to Sedona and I was good, man. I was driving.
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  Speaker 3: I was good.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's this really steep, if you haven't
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  Speaker 2: been from Phoenix to Sedona, it's a drive and There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of steep cliffs on the side, and I
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  Speaker 2: was totally good until I saw a car that had
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  Speaker 2: just gone over.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and they were trying to rescue some people, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, now I just want to get
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  Speaker 2: out of here and get to some flat ground.
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  Speaker 1: Guardrails are really good. There's a reason we have guardrails.
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  Speaker 1: They prevent cars from doing that. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 1: back on track here. Consider our guest here, David Cohn.
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  Speaker 1: has got five World Series rings. Justin, there have been
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  Speaker 1: about 23,000 Major League Baseball players who have played at
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  Speaker 1: least one game. Of those, 55 have won five World
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  Speaker 1: Series rings. That's it. 55. And of course, Yogi leads
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  Speaker 1: them all with 10, and Gehrig's on the list, and
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  Speaker 1: there are others. There's some Phillies back in the day
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  Speaker 1: that won multiple. But 55 have won five World Series
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  Speaker 1: rings of 23,000. That's the company that Kony keeps. And
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  Speaker 1: let's bring him on now so we can get deep
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  Speaker 1: into it with Kony on Dirt from the Dugout, my
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  Speaker 1: former Sunday night partner and all-around tremendous person. Kony, great
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  Speaker 1: to be on with you. Thanks very much for joining
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  Speaker 1: us here.
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  Speaker 4: My pleasure.
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  Speaker 5: I was getting jealous about the golf out in Santa Fe.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I was there.
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  Speaker 1: Cody, you're in a golf coat. Look at Cody. You've
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  Speaker 1: got the little Hawaiian shirt, but you're actually in Florida, right?
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  Speaker 1: You look relaxed, tan. You look good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all good right here. You know, it's still
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  Speaker 5: summer in Florida.
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  Speaker 4: It never ends.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. All right. So, Cody, you know what this
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  Speaker 1: is all about here. We're trying to help people understand that.
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  Speaker 1: the journey to wherever it is they want to go,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's high school, college, Major League Baseball. It's not linear.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many different ways to do it. You're like
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  Speaker 1: an ideal guy for this because there's nothing about when
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  Speaker 1: you see Kony, and I sat next to him for years,
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  Speaker 1: that says that guy is a Major League pitcher, let
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  Speaker 1: alone Major League player. You know, you look like every
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  Speaker 1: other guy out there, and yet you were able to
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  Speaker 1: accomplish what I thought is a Hall of Fame career.
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  Speaker 1: Broad brush it. How does somebody who's a bit undersized
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  Speaker 1: figure out a way to go from, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: youth baseball all the way to the major leagues, if
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  Speaker 1: you can?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, Carl, I just remember as a kid
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  Speaker 5: just dying to be in the backyard playing wiffle ball.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was every day with my brothers. I
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  Speaker 5: learned how to spin a ball with a wiffle ball.
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  Speaker 5: I learned how to throw a curveball with a wiffle ball.
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  Speaker 5: I think that really helped me, you know, as opposed
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  Speaker 5: to learning, you know, with a baseball too young, probably,
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  Speaker 5: and trying to throw too many curveballs during an actual game.
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  Speaker 4: So I could be Louis Tiot.
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  Speaker 5: I was 12 years old in 1975, and I was
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  Speaker 5: enamored with Louis Tiot during that great time. Cincinnati Reds
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  Speaker 5: and Boston Red Sox World Series in 75, the Carlton
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  Speaker 5: Fisk body language home run.
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  Speaker 1: But it was really.
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  Speaker 5: Louis Tiant was the star of the show for me.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I was just blown away by his charisma,
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  Speaker 5: his personality, his style.
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  Speaker 4: And I just tried to copy him all the way through, really.
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  Speaker 5: And I finally got a chance to meet him later
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  Speaker 5: on and told him, you know, how thankful I was.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know if he knew or not
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  Speaker 5: what kind of, you know, an impression that he left
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  Speaker 5: on me or me. really an entire generation. And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: to me, that's really what it's about. Little kid playing
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  Speaker 5: wiffle ball with your brothers all day. Mom calls you
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  Speaker 5: in for dinner, you know, and you don't want to
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  Speaker 5: come in and then you go back out afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Such a familiar story. It's funny. And it seems like, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth,
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  Speaker 1: but you got off. You enjoyed seeing the wiffle ball
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  Speaker 1: kind of dance, you know, your ability to manipulate the
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  Speaker 1: wiffle ball, which clearly became something of your kind of
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  Speaker 1: touchstone when it came to being a major league pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Like you were an artist. You were a craftsman. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't throw necessarily 99, but you could make it dance.
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  Speaker 1: And it all started with a wiffle ball. That's where
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  Speaker 1: the creativity began. It really did, Carl. It's just emulating,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, major league pitchers, different styles. I was
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  Speaker 1: never afraid to try things because of that impression, that
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  Speaker 1: Louis T. Even I saw Juan Marichal pitch, too, as well.
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  Speaker 5: I was enamored with the unique styles, and I really
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  Speaker 5: carried that through all the way through my career. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of pitching coaches frowned on it. Don't drop down.
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  Speaker 5: Don't throw sidearm sliders. And I was stubborn. I said,
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  Speaker 5: if Louis T. can do it, I can do it.
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  Speaker 5: So I just kept doing it all the way through. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, some liked it, some didn't. But at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the day, I think I got the last laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hey, Kony, I, you know, I'm so glad we
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  Speaker 2: get a chance to talk, man, and, you know, have
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  Speaker 2: this conversation. But I want, you know, you had people that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, made a lasting impression on you. I want
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  Speaker 2: to say there was a generation, I was a kid
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  Speaker 2: when you were throwing. I want to say, like, you
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  Speaker 2: were one of my guys that I wanted to have
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  Speaker 2: the slider like you, right? And so it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a cool sort of, you know, connect the dots in
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  Speaker 2: full circle here a little bit. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: ask you about that because one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I felt like you did just so sensationally well, you
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  Speaker 2: were just sensational with this, is that you.
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  Speaker 3: Just commanded the mound.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, your presence was, you know, before I
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  Speaker 2: even understood what that meant, right? As a young kid,
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  Speaker 2: like watching a player, I didn't know what mound presence was.
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  Speaker 2: But I watched you, and a lot of people watched you,
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  Speaker 2: and you just commanded it. And you wanted that ball,
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  Speaker 2: and you could tell in all the big games that
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  Speaker 2: you pitched in. And you're not Mizorowski, right? That wasn't
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  Speaker 2: your style. You had a lot of different things, but
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  Speaker 2: you weren't the 6'6, 6'7, body, like the big frame guy.
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  Speaker 2: But you still brought it, and I think there's so
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  Speaker 2: much for young kids to learn from that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're not a little guy, but you're not 6'5, 6'6.
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  Speaker 2: Can you just talk a little bit about that and
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  Speaker 2: how your mindset, how you how you held that mindset
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  Speaker 2: like you were an ace? And when you watched you,
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  Speaker 2: you were an ace and you commanded the mound and
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  Speaker 2: you had this presence and this aura. Can you just
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit to the youngsters on whether they're,
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  Speaker 2: you know, 5'11, 6'1, you know, maybe 180 pounds, not
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  Speaker 2: 210 pounds? Like, can you just talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about the mindset and how you held that and held
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  Speaker 2: that so strong?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Justin, I think it starts with just really wanting
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  Speaker 5: to be a pitcher, right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, either you have that or you don't.
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  Speaker 5: When you're a little leaguer, when you first start out
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  Speaker 5: and get introduced to the game, you know, I was
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  Speaker 5: drawn to the center of the mound. I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: be on that pitching mound. And, you know, that was
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  Speaker 5: just something that I was drawn to. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's where it starts. You got to really want to
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  Speaker 5: be involved on every pitch. You got to want to
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  Speaker 5: be involved in controlling the game. So, you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: where that's that's the beginning. And then once you get
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  Speaker 5: out there, I think I learned over the years through
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  Speaker 5: a lot of mentors and a lot of good coaches
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  Speaker 5: along the way that you can dictate the pace and
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  Speaker 5: that that's really the difference maker. You can tell when
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  Speaker 5: you watch pitchers out there and they're they're thinking too
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  Speaker 5: much or they're sort of. wandering around the mound or
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  Speaker 5: they're just a little unsure of, you know, how to
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  Speaker 5: go about it as opposed to third outs made on
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  Speaker 5: the other end.
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  Speaker 4: It's your time to go warm up.
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  Speaker 5: You're the first one on the mound before the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the team's on the field. You're ready to throw
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  Speaker 5: the first pitch before the leadoff batter is almost ready
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  Speaker 5: to step in the box. I mean, you are right
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  Speaker 5: there and then. You're commanding the pace. You're dictating the pace.
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  Speaker 5: You're letting them know that you mean business. And to me,
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  Speaker 5: that was a really important lesson as opposed to a
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  Speaker 5: guy that's got bad body language.
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  Speaker 4: On the mound. And I was one of those guys
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  Speaker 4: early in my.
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  Speaker 5: Career kind of wearing my art on my sleeve. So
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, excuse me, that's kind of where
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  Speaker 5: it starts is, you know, where you're very aggressively trying
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  Speaker 5: to attack. You're in attack mode, and you're putting the
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  Speaker 5: hitter on the defensive, and you have the advantage. You
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  Speaker 5: have to understand that they don't know what's coming, and
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  Speaker 5: you know what you're going to throw, and that's a
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  Speaker 5: tremendous advantage.
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  Speaker 1: All subscribers to The Parent Dugout got a chance to
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  Speaker 1: ask Kony questions. So where did that come from? How
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  Speaker 1: did you harness it? Because I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of kids. I remember going up to Cooperstown, Kony, with
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  Speaker 1: the team. And you could tell we had kids that
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  Speaker 1: wanted the ball and you could tell that we had
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  Speaker 1: kids that didn't want the ball. How do you get
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  Speaker 1: those that don't either to want it or recognize that
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  Speaker 1: being in that center circle isn't where you should be now?
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  Speaker 1: That's sort of, you know, that's a balancing act, especially
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  Speaker 1: for a young 10, 11, 12 year old. How do
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  Speaker 1: you do it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think, you know, as I said before,
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  Speaker 5: it kind of starts early with the love, the love
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  Speaker 5: of that, that position. And then secondly, you need somebody
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  Speaker 5: to take you by the side and show you. Cause
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  Speaker 5: you know, Carl, I think you probably know this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that it's, I'm prone to, you know, being a hothead.
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  Speaker 5: I'm prone to losing my cool at times. And I
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  Speaker 5: would throw tantrums when I was a kid on the mound.
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  Speaker 5: And I finally had a little league coach, not my father.
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  Speaker 5: Cause you know, father, father's a different relationship.
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  Speaker 4: And I love my father.
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  Speaker 5: But somebody different got me on the side. He was
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  Speaker 5: a local family friend and ran the Little Leagues. He
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  Speaker 5: didn't really coach, but he ran the whole Little League operation.
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  Speaker 5: He was more the business operations guy. And he sat
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  Speaker 5: me down one day and really in an endearing way
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  Speaker 5: told me, do you realize how you're coming off?
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  Speaker 4: Do you realize, you know, that people look up to you?
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  Speaker 4: You have a lot of talent.
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  Speaker 5: But when you throw tantrums on the mound or when
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  Speaker 5: you don't control your emotions very well, But that just
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  Speaker 5: rubs everybody the wrong way. And that's not the kind
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  Speaker 5: of kid you are because I know you. And that's
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  Speaker 5: not the way you want to compete. And the way
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  Speaker 5: he sat me down, it probably was about an hour conversation,
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  Speaker 5: which is hard to have with a 12-year-old. But I
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  Speaker 5: listened because I respected him. And he really kind of
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  Speaker 5: impressed upon me of, wow, everybody's watching you. And the
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  Speaker 5: way you react impacts the entire team. It impacts the opposition.
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  Speaker 5: They know they've got you now. because they see you
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  Speaker 5: start to unravel on the mound emotionally. And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that was kind of the turning point for me early on. Somebody,
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  Speaker 5: a family friend got me off to the side.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt.
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  Speaker 4: Impressed on me, you know, how you come off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't it, Justin, isn't that a familiar thing? We've
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  Speaker 1: heard this before. It's amazing because I'm sure your mom, Joan,
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  Speaker 1: or your dad tried to share that message with you.
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  Speaker 1: And yet sometimes the parent who's been in the player's
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  Speaker 1: life For the prior 12 years, the message doesn't land
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  Speaker 1: the same way it does coming from the guy that
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  Speaker 1: ran the league or the woman that's coaching it. It's
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  Speaker 1: just another voice, and you just listen to it and
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  Speaker 1: hear it differently. It's amazing, Justin. Something we've heard before
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  Speaker 1: on this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, Coney, when you talk about some
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff, too, it also is great to hear just–
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  Speaker 2: you know, the acceptance of what we do really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what we do well and what we need.
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  Speaker 3: To work on.
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  Speaker 2: And you, you touched on it a little bit on
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  Speaker 2: some of the things, just being self-aware, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is typically what I'm prone to. And as soon as
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  Speaker 2: you hit it, like it like connected with me because
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  Speaker 2: those were some of the things that I had to
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  Speaker 2: control as well.
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  Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit about, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you talk.
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  Speaker 2: About emotion and stuff, like I I'm thinking back on
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  Speaker 2: some of your, your post-season performances and you're kind of
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  Speaker 2: explaining a, a, a person and a player that maybe
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  Speaker 2: flew off the handle once in a while in the
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  Speaker 2: way that I would view you as a professional in
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  Speaker 2: your career, very composed and under control and even the
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  Speaker 2: most pressure-packed circumstances. So clearly it's a choice, right? We
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  Speaker 2: can work on those things. We can get better with
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  Speaker 2: those things. What were some of the things after that
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  Speaker 2: conversation that you had? What were some of the things
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: that you tried to use to implement that to try
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: to corral that a little bit when that emotion rises
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: and your tendency is maybe to go over the edge
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: and just to kind of stay within yourself and stay composed.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: What were some of the actual tactics that you try
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: to use even in your career to stay within that moment?
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a lifelong battle, Justin. I'm still
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: battling it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I am the guy who argued with an
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: umpire at first base and allowed two runs to score
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: during a big league game. That's right. There's always drawbacks.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: There's always stumbles along the way. So, you know, I
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: think early on what I learned was, you know, after
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: that conversation, I started to pay attention a little bit
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: to how I reacted to every umpire's call. You know,
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: whereas previously, if I thought a pitch was close and
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't get the call, I'd become.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: A little unnerved out there.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: And becoming more accepting of your fate a little bit,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: of staying in the present and not worrying about other
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: people's jobs around you. Just stay on your job. Stay
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: in the moment, you know, where your feet are, you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: to use an old expression. You know, that that's the
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: quest for me. was learning how to do that.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And as I said, you're going to fall off the
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: cliff here and there. You're going to have meltdowns.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: But when you do, you get it back quicker now
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: because you're more self-aware. And I think that's the term
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: you used, Justin, that really kind of hits the nail
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: on the head is teaching self-awareness. I'm trying to do
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: it with my 14-year-old right now who just is completely
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: unaware of everything.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Where's my phone? Where's this?
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: He's distracted.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: So, yes, I mean, that is the proper lesson to
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: learn is to become a little more self-aware, learn how
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: to do that, learn how to check yourself. And then
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: when you do fall off or you do stumble or
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you do have a blow up, you're able to kind
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: of get it back a little quicker. It doesn't derail
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: you for the whole game or for the whole day,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: for that matter. You're able to kind of put it
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: in perspective. Oh, yeah, it happened again. Let me get
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: it back. Let me get back into my perspective. Let
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: me get back into my tunnel vision. Because all you
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: can really do is worry about what you can control.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Because whatever an umpire calls is completely out of your control.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: If a fielder makes an error behind you, that's completely
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: out of your control.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: You know, those are the real hard lessons to learn.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, my God, you know, Knobloch just threw
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: one in the stands and hit Oberman's mother. You know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, are you going to get mad
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: about that? Are you going to try to pick up
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: your teammates? You know, that's what I learned along the way.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: You know, a good teammate would protect Knobloch or protect
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: your teammate who made an error behind you as opposed
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: to throwing your hands up in the air and going,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: make that play.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: You got to make that play.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: You know, I think that's probably the lesson I'm trying
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: to get to right there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: That's a lifelong quest. I'm still learning it. Still trying.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only one who got mad about Knobloch's throw
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: was Mrs.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Olbermann.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That was the only one who was really, really upset
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: about it. I'm curious, Tony, you know, we focus so
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: much on baseball. Did you have other... diversions other distractions
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: as you were growing up or was it literally just
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: baseball did your mom or dad say hey try something
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: else I mean whether it's reading whether it's acting whether
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it's another sport did you have another outlet yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I mean I played all three sports I was kind
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: of an old school guy you know whatever season it
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: was you played football basketball baseball but Joan Cohn, my mom,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: who I refer to a lot on the air, Joan
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Cohn was a believer in do.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Well, he's do. He's over 15. He's do.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: She was the first regression to the mean sabermetrician I
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: ever met.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: She's like, it's all right. It'll happen. It always happens.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Things even out.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: So she got me to play the saxophone. She said,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: you need to learn how to play music. It'll teach
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you patience. It'll teach you how to learn steps. It'll
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: help your focus.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: And she knew. So one summer, I'm like, no, I'm not. No,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not playing the saxophone. She said, yes, you are.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: And so I did.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: And I took a whole summer and learned how to
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: play the saxophone. And it really was mentally very good
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: for me. I wish I would have kept it up.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: She was right. I wish I could whip one out
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: right now and play the saxophone for you guys. I
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: should have stuck with it. I really should have.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: That's really cool. I never heard that story. That's great.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Cody, I want to, I want to like take
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a step forward.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So you, you know, when you look at your, your career,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: obviously just, you know, so many victories in there individually,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: but you know, world series championships, and there's all these
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: things that you're able to bring with that. When you
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: look back on it, what are some of the things
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that stand out to you? I know you've been asked
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: this a lot, but what are some things that stand
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: out to you that are just really, really special that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you're like, nobody can take this away from me, that
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: we accomplished this or that I did this?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: What are some of those things for you as you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: look back on that?
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the first, you know, Justin, you think
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: about the team accomplishments first. I mean, it's too easy
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: to go to your singular, you know, accomplishment. Hey, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: threw a perfect game or, hey, I won 20 games
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: twice or whatever, led the league in strikeouts. To me,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: it's the things that resonate or the things you share,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: the shared experiences. And, you know, being in Toronto in
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: 1992 and sharing Canada's.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: First World Series was really remarkable.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Even though I was traded towards the end of the year,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: And I wasn't there the entire year, but when I
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: was brought in, it was a big responsibility. I felt
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: the accountability. I felt the weight of Canada on my
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: shoulders there. You know, I was the hired gun, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: the new hired to come in. So coming through there
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: and then, and doing that ticker tape parade in Toronto
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: was just remarkable. It really was to see the joy
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: on people's faces, the national pride of Canada. You know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: that's something I'll never forget. I mean, I cherish that,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: that experience, uh, You know, another one was.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: For Joe Torre. Love Joe Torre, obviously, you know, unbelievable
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame guy.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: You know, in the 96 season during.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: The playoffs, he lost one brother, Rocco, who passed away.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: And he had another brother, Frank Torre, who had a
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: heart transplant going on actually during the World Series. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: when we beat Baltimore for the right to go to
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the World Series... Joe Torre, the emotion on his face.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, the tears started to come down. I'd never seen,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: he's such a strong, charismatic, even-keeled guy. When I saw
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: that emotion on his face, I started crying. I couldn't
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: believe what that moment meant to him. And I could
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: remember it like it was yesterday. And I'll take that
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: with me to my grave. You know, I tell Joe
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: about it when we talk about it. And when I
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: see him, I tell him I love him, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: because that's the kind of shared experience you have, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: when you get that close and when you go through
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: things together as a team.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: You really do bond for life.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: And I feel like I think a lot of people
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: feel like Joe Torre was the second father to a
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: lot of those.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Guys on the Yankees.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we'll talk more about Torre in a moment.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Also about the the hired gun versus the naked gun.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: That's very important distinction to make. And a hired gun
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is what Kony certainly did often, how he fit in
• 22:41
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  Speaker 1: All right, fellas, thank you very much. Coney, just as
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: an aside, how are you around the house? Like if
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: something goes wrong, are you able to fix stuff?
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Terrible.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Also, my father, Ed Cohn, was a master mechanic. That
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: was his strength. But I was always outside playing wiffle ball.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: So he's like, go play wiffle ball. Another thing I
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: wish I would have learned, you know, from my dad.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I played the sax.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That is hilarious.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I could have watched Dad with a wrench.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Right. You know how to call somebody, though, to get help, right?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You know how to call them.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I do. Absolutely. I can call with the best of them.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, people used to call you all the time,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: especially late. Like we need, we want to win a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: world series. Let's get cold on this team for kids
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that bounce around and play on different teams. Is there
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: some secret to assimilating to becoming somebody that fits in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse? Cause, cause you're late to the party and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: yet people are looking you to, to sort of lead
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the party. It's a, it's a delicate balance. How did
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you negotiate that? And how would you suggest that? these
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: kids that are moving around NIL, Portal, and even before that,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: changing high schools, or just different Little League teams, wherever
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it may be.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's such a great point and question. I mean,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I go back to my father.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Again, the lesson he taught me was be comfortable in
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: your own skin. Don't try to do too much. Don't
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: try to impress people just to impress them. You are
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: who you are. You're confident in who you are. You
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: put the work in. You're ready to go. You do
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: the best you can. with what you have to work
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: with on that day. So yes, I think that's the
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: lesson that you work on about just being comfortable in
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: your own skin. People will gravitate to you if you're
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: that way, as opposed to if you're trying too hard
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: or you're, you know, people will see phoniness. They'll see
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: right through you if you're trying too hard or if
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: you're faking it and you know, be an anti-fake, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I guess that's the lesson. Just be real comfortable with
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: who you are in your own skin and, and let
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: things kind of happen organically. And that's a really hard
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: lesson for kids to learn nowadays because you get thrown
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: in with a bunch of strangers on a fall ball
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: team or, you know, a travel ball team.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: That's a difficult thing to do.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: But the way you do it is you lead by
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: example on the field by how you go about it,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: how you play the game, how seriously you take it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: And that's the best way to make friends. And that's
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: the best way to be a leader.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. And, Coney, when you look at the,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you talked about, Toronto, let's go to that. You get traded.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: There's huge expectations.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I've always found it super intriguing to see how a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: player responds to something like that when you know that
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the investment in you is to like finish it off,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to help finish it off, right? And we see this
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and then we see trades work out really well and
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: we see it happen where the pressure sort of gets
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to the player and it doesn't go as well. Man,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you were just like, so rock solid in those situations
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: where it just felt like that's what you, like you
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: were born to do almost right. It's just like be
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: in that pressure moment. And I don't want to keep
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: talking about how you're able to overcome all of that pressure,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but there's a different level of pressure. When you, you
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: said it yourself, when you feel the weight of Canada
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: on your shoulders and, Can.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: You just talk about that a little bit?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Because it's so interesting to hear your perspective on that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: because you literally have been through it at the highest level.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And it's such a great example for youngsters that are
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of pressure. Maybe it's media, social media.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a lot of hype around them, right? Their talent,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: what they can do. Can you just take us through that, Kony,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and how you handled all that?
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, obviously a lot of trial and error
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: along the way. You know, a lot of lessons learned,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: a lot of stumbling. I think, you know, Bernie Williams,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: the great Bernie Williams, center fielder for the Yankees, batting champion.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: He's got a second career now as a beautiful guitarist,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: you know, making tours. He just played at Carnegie Hall,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: you know, and there's a line in there somewhere that
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I'll stay away.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: From, but... Practice, practice, practice, so.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: For me, really, it was about learning how to stay
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in the moment. And it's hard to do depending on
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: your personality and how your brain works. I asked Bernie
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: the year he won the batting title. Bernie was on fire.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And he just seemed so locked in, so focused all
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: the time. And before the games, he was playing his
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: guitar and he just was carefree. And I asked him,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: I said, Bernie, what do you think about when you
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: go up to home plate?
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: And he said, nothing. Absolutely nothing.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: There's some genius in there. If you think about it,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: there's a little bit of subtle genius in there in
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: terms of staying in the moment, staying in the present. And,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: you know, for him, it's like I don't want to
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: outthink myself. I don't want to do too much of
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: anticipatory or thinking about this guy or the history I've
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: had with this guy too much. You know, we're all
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: he's all they're all aware of that. but I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the key is for him that his mind was a
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: blank slate. So there's the old expression of get out
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: of your own way. Sometimes you got to get out
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: of your own way. That's the lesson I think in
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: there is if you are in your own way, now
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: different personalities, different strokes for different folks, but if you're
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: the type of person who gets in your own way,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: then that's the lesson.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: If you're a kid coming up.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: It's blank slate right here, right now, see ball, hit ball, react,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: have fun, Release all the tension in your body and
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: then just compartmentalize the next pitch, the next best thing.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: You can do.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Almost sounds like a childhood, you know, children's book at
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: that point. But it really is true.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: If you think about it, and I think a lot
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: of players I've been around, a lot of great players,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: George Brett was that way.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: See ball, hit ball. I'm not thinking too much. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: got to get out of my own way.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: And then there's other guys that are really smart that
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: can sort of, you know, think ahead and maybe, you know, can,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: can play that game.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Too, as well.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: So it's different for everybody, but if you're struggling as
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: a kid, you're trying to learn that lesson.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Hey, see the ball, hit the ball. Blank slate. Trust
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: your talent.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kony, there's a great Harvey Dorfman, right? He's the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: godfather of sports psychology. In one of his books, he
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: has one simple line, see the ball and be easy.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And you repeat that over and over, right? It's like
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that simple. See the ball, be easy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You're kind of just reflecting a lot of that book
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that he shared in that is the simplicity that you're
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: trying to get to.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: And it's much more difficult for certain people. Certain people are,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: you know, high-strung, high-wired. I don't know if that would
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: have worked for Al Leiter, you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Know, on the mound, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Know, ah!
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  Speaker 1: Rizzo speaking of World Series experience.
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