Latest / The Catholic Current / Novel Prophecies Pt. 13 - Zamyatin’s “We” (Fr. Robert McTeigue, S.J.) 10/23/26
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- 0:00This is The Catholic Current with Father Robert McTeague.
- 0:06Very blunt formulation that J.F. Powers often used was, God doesn't
- 0:10like crap. Like, it's got to be sort of— he
- 0:13said it, not me. So I'm just— but this idea that it has
- 0:17to first of all be good fiction, and then we'll
- 0:21talk about, you know, its other merits. But if you— if it doesn't work on
- 0:23that level of craft and, and form and plot,
- 0:28then it won't work on a theological level either.
- 0:34Praised be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTeague of the Society
- 0:37of Jesus, your daily host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the
- 0:41world and the world to Christ. You're listening to us from the Station of the
- 0:44Cross Studios, your local radio station, and the iCatholic Radio mobile
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- 0:52As always, let's start with prayer. In the name of the Father, Son, and the
- 0:55Holy Spirit. Almighty God, through the intercession of Saint Ignatius Loyola, we ask
- 0:59that you pour forth your Holy Spirit upon us, a spirit of discernment that might
- 1:02hear your voice and obey your command. In the name of the Father, Son,
- 1:06and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Here it is, Friday in the Catholic Current. You know
- 1:10what that means? You and me, let's talk about this. We are going through,
- 1:14uh, the 13th installment of our series called Novel
- 1:18Prophecies, and I'm thinking about taking
- 1:22a break from the series after this one. Uh,
- 1:26reading a novel every week for 13 weeks is enjoyable,
- 1:30but it's kind of taxing. And this isn't exactly lyrical poetry
- 1:34that, that we're reading. So, so we'll see. I'm probably going to take a break.
- 1:38You know, we started in chronological order and we're looking at Christian
- 1:42and non-Christian authors. And again, we're not trying to read the tea leaves of time
- 1:46and figure out when our Lord is going to return in glory, but rather
- 1:50to say human nature doesn't change, divine nature doesn't
- 1:54change. Human circumstances can change to such a degree
- 1:58that we think God and man can change, and then we
- 2:02get involved in mischief and illusion. And a lot of really smart
- 2:07people and some smart peripheral people said, wait a minute,
- 2:10let's, let's take a look at this and have a sober look
- 2:14at the human condition. And so
- 2:17I was getting ready to talk about the George
- 2:21Orwell novel 1984, because if you're going to talk about apocalyptic literature,
- 2:25dystopian literature, you're irresponsible if you don't talk about 1984.
- 2:30But in my research, I discovered that there was a book written in
- 2:33Russia in 1920. That's 3 years after the Russian
- 2:38Revolution. And, um, it was banned in the Soviet
- 2:42Union, and it was called We. And I'm going to
- 2:45say the author's full name only once, and then we're going to try to have
- 2:49me mangle just his last name. Yevgeny Zamyatin.
- 2:55And Ursula K. Le Guin, who's renowned as a sci-fi writer,
- 2:58said this is the best single work of science fiction yet written.
- 3:01I'm not in a position to make that judgment myself,
- 3:05but the reason this book is important was because in some ways it was the
- 3:09great-granddaddy of contemporary dystopian
- 3:12literature, and it was obviously,
- 3:15obviously the inspiration for Orwell's 1984.
- 3:20As I read this novel, I felt like I was being slowly
- 3:24smothered. So again, this is a complete totalitarian
- 3:28regime. People don't even have names, they have numbers.
- 3:32You're constantly controlled, you're constantly watched. All those familiar
- 3:37themes really began here. And the edition that I
- 3:40have, the bottom of the front cover is a skyline,
- 3:44big metropolis, and there's just a giant eyeball
- 3:48hovering over the whole city. But I wanna step
- 3:52back from this and approach it in a
- 3:56very different way because what We presents
- 4:01is human nature in conflict with
- 4:05powers that claim to understand human
- 4:09nature so well that they can fix it through manipulation
- 4:14and enforce the fixing through tyranny.
- 4:18And we've seen this before.
- 4:22But I want to step back and set the battle over human nature in
- 4:26context. And I'm gonna do that by talking about
- 4:30Saint Pope John Paul II. On the new calendar,
- 4:33his feast was this week. So I've been thinking about John Paul.
- 4:37And when you talk about John Paul and Catholicism
- 4:41of the 20th century, he's such a colossus. If he's not
- 4:44in the center of the frame, he's photobombing every picture.
- 4:48And it reminded me of some comments about trying to paint the horizon or
- 4:51a vista in Japan. Mount Fuji is either in the foreground
- 4:55or the background. Likewise, if you talk about fantasy literature,
- 4:59you have to talk about Tolkien. For, against,
- 5:03with, around— there's no getting around him. And it reminds me of
- 5:07historians who said that the history of Western philosophy is Plato,
- 5:10and Alfred North Whitehead said that the footnote to
- 5:15Plato is Aristotle. So there are figures that loom
- 5:19so large that you almost can't see them because there's no contrast,
- 5:23there's no appreciation. So I want to say this: if we want to talk about
- 5:27the battle for human nature in the 20th century,
- 5:31you have to talk about John Paul, but you can't talk
- 5:35about him alone. So I'm going to reach back
- 5:39into the 19th century and bring into the conversation Leo
- 5:44XIII. And Mr. Engineer, you want to grab these
- 5:47titles because I'd like them in the footnotes. Leo XIII
- 5:51wrote a very important encyclical that needs to be
- 5:55read better, and it's called Aeterni Patris.
- 5:58Eternal Father, and the translated title is On
- 6:01the Restoration of Christian Philosophy to Our Schools.
- 6:05And then jump ahead about 100 years to John Paul's
- 6:09encyclical Fides et Ratio, Faith and Reason. And so here's
- 6:14how these— the, the challenges of these 2 popes— not
- 6:18only were they reading the signs of the times, they were reading the signs of
- 6:22their times, but I think they were also reading the signs of,
- 6:26of all times. So here's Leo XIII
- 6:30late 19th century, you know, modernism has
- 6:34an attitude, you know, Darwin and Marx,
- 6:37etc., etc. And the modern world is saying,
- 6:41gosh, isn't the church dumb? You know, it still
- 6:45takes faith seriously. Duh. And,
- 6:49and we know this. We know that faith is dumb because we're modern.
- 6:53Jump ahead 100 years and the postmoderns are
- 6:57saying, Can you believe it? The church is so dumb it
- 7:01takes reason seriously. Duh,
- 7:04we know there's no such thing as reason because we're
- 7:07postmoderns. Uh, both the moderns and
- 7:11the postmoderns are wrong, and Leo XIII
- 7:16and John Paul knew that the human person
- 7:21is a unique individual irreducibly precious,
- 7:25who is by divine design social,
- 7:30oriented towards community, and has
- 7:33very great powers of intellect that have
- 7:37been wounded and diminished by sin,
- 7:41that can be healed and elevated and
- 7:45perfected by grace, by the light
- 7:49of faith. And bringing faith and reason
- 7:52together allows man to exercise the
- 7:56higher powers of the soul, including imagination
- 8:01and including wisdom. So reason
- 8:05isn't just a tool to give us the hows,
- 8:09but the human soul illuminated
- 8:13by faith and reason can pursue the great question
- 8:17of why. And the terrifying aspect
- 8:22of this novel, We by Zamyatin, was that
- 8:26it utterly— it didn't just elevate reason to
- 8:30the nth degree, it was reason to the excuse of
- 8:34all else. We were just biological machines,
- 8:38and the state, under the benevolent leadership of
- 8:42the benefactor, was going to take away any
- 8:46reference to the why, any capacity
- 8:51for wonder, and only give us the
- 8:56how. Do this at that
- 8:59time, then do the other at the other
- 9:04time. Efficiency,
- 9:07efficiency, efficiency and never,
- 9:11ever, ever wonder why are
- 9:15we doing this. Never, ever, ever wonder
- 9:21why are we doing this at all and is there a
- 9:24something else. And in
- 9:29the late 19th century with the Industrial Revolution
- 9:33and the explosion of the specialized economy,
- 9:37man was asked to see himself primarily as
- 9:41a consumer. And then in the
- 9:45post-World War West, where there was unprecedented peace
- 9:50and prosperity, and then add the
- 9:53accelerant of the sexual revolution and the pill and abortion,
- 9:57we're not only a consumer of goods, we are a
- 10:02consumer of relentless pleasures and distractions.
- 10:06And John Paul and Leo XIII together
- 10:11say, no, because man
- 10:15has a soul. And the
- 10:19benefactor of the one state in the novel, Louis, says,
- 10:23yes, you're right, and that is the
- 10:28problem. And by hook or by crook,
- 10:32were going to fix that. And I would say
- 10:36even in our own time, the enemy of
- 10:40the economy and technology and ideology
- 10:45is the fact that we have a human soul,
- 10:49that we're meant to be individuals and we're
- 10:52meant to have genuine community.
- 10:56And we're gonna talk more about that in the next segment. I'm Jesuit Father
- 11:00Robert McTaggart, host every day of The Catholic Current. You wanna stay with us for
- 11:04the whole hour? Because we are in part 13 of our series called Novel
- 11:07Prophecies. We're reading Zamatin's, uh,
- 11:11novel banned in the Soviet Union in 1920 called We.
- 11:15Remember, our rallying cry here at the Catholic Current is Christus Mundo, Mundus Christo—
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- 12:52you help fund programs that defend our Catholic faith. Here we are
- 12:56Friday. Let's talk about this. We are in part 13
- 12:59of our series Novel Prophecies. We're reading a novel
- 13:04written in 1920 banned by the Soviet Union called We by Yevgeny
- 13:09Zamyatin. I might call him Mr. Z going forward.
- 13:13I said We is a novel that is
- 13:17part of the big battle of the 20th century and
- 13:21the 21st century regarding human nature.
- 13:25So when I was writing my, my book, Real Philosophy for Real People,
- 13:29I wanted to talk about metaphysics, anthropology, philosophy of human
- 13:32nature, and ethics. And my specialty is
- 13:36metaphysics, and I thought that would be the largest chapter. Turned out the largest
- 13:40chapter was anthropology because human nature is so complex. So we're
- 13:44definitely bodily, but we're more than just bodies.
- 13:48We're definitely unique individuals, and we're also certainly meant to
- 13:51be communal. How do you work all that out?
- 13:55For example, if you have a bucket of sand,
- 14:00you have an aggregate of individual
- 14:04grains, but you wouldn't say the bucket of
- 14:07sand forms a community. But if you have
- 14:11a group of people, say in a nation,
- 14:14they can form a community because they share more than
- 14:18just the fact that they're next to each other, like the way grains
- 14:22of sand are merely just next to each other in
- 14:25a bucket. So for us to be a we,
- 14:30I have to be a unique individual who can
- 14:33have a bond with you that involves
- 14:37more than the fact that we're just standing next to each other.
- 14:41So there has to be something about human nature that's
- 14:45not material, that's complex, and that's also
- 14:49mysterious. So I want to talk about the word mystery here,
- 14:52because part of the tyrannical state from the
- 14:56novel We is there must be no
- 15:01mystery. The— one of the main characters is a mathematician,
- 15:06and he wants everything to be explained away.
- 15:11Everything can be exhaustively known and
- 15:14explained and perfectly contained and manipulated
- 15:17by the algorithm, by formula.
- 15:23A story regular listeners know I've told frequently: 2
- 15:27friends of mine went to a wedding, and there were a couple
- 15:31indications it was not a Catholic wedding. First of all, after the couple
- 15:35exchanged vows, everyone jumped on their bikes and rode down the hill to the
- 15:39reception. But the other was the couple wrote their own vows— always
- 15:42a bad idea. And they said
- 15:47to each other, how wonderful that we shall be married,
- 15:50for now we shall never be lonely or misunderstood again.
- 15:54Oh my goodness, even the celibate knows it's a crazy idea.
- 15:58And when I would tell that to married couples, the longer they were married,
- 16:02the more hysterical they thought it was that they,
- 16:06you know, now we'll never be lonely or misunderstood again.
- 16:09My parents were married for 53 years. Couldn't live without
- 16:13each other, died 4 months apart, and would finish each other's sentences.
- 16:17But every day they still surprised each
- 16:21other because human beings are a
- 16:26mystery. You never get to the absolute bottom
- 16:30of a person. You can never quite capture
- 16:34a person in a formula or with a set of numbers.
- 16:39And the horrifying element of this
- 16:43novel called We was that it
- 16:46wanted to erase the possibility that
- 16:51humans have mystery, that there is
- 16:55inwardness, that there's something that can't
- 16:58be measured or manipulated or controlled. So jumping
- 17:03ahead to page 104,
- 17:06The main character, whose name I think is D-303,
- 17:13he goes to the doctor and the doctor says, sorry to say,
- 17:17but it's serious. Looks like you have developed
- 17:22a soul. And he answers,
- 17:25that sounds very dangerous.
- 17:28The doctor says, incurable. He says,
- 17:32yes, but what does this mean? I can't fathom it.
- 17:36And he says, you see, how should I? He says, I'm a mathematician.
- 17:40So that was his very great concern, was there was
- 17:44something that couldn't be exhaustively known,
- 17:48something that couldn't be precisely budgeted
- 17:52for. And jumping ahead to page 109,
- 17:57he says, this isn't your fault. You're sick, and the
- 18:01name of this illness is imagination.
- 18:06And later we see in the novel that the
- 18:10powers that be say that the power of imagination,
- 18:15which is the symptom of having a soul,
- 18:19you can be freed from that through a kind of a lobotomy.
- 18:22There's a certain part of the brain that they're going to snip. Okay,
- 18:26so think about what that means and imagine what Leo XIII
- 18:30and John Paul and other great Catholic thinkers would, would say.
- 18:35Let's go all the way back to Aristotle.
- 18:38Aristotle said that philosophy begins in wonder,
- 18:43asking the why question. Why is it
- 18:47this way rather than that way?
- 18:50What else is there? What if,
- 18:54what if, what if? And then the ultimate
- 18:57why question is, why is there something rather
- 19:02than nothing? And if you begin to suspect that
- 19:07what's right under our nose is not all that there is,
- 19:12then you become very, very dangerous.
- 19:18In a totalitarian state. Because that means
- 19:21if, if this world didn't need to be,
- 19:26or it could have been another way, then it means that
- 19:31the way that Big Brother or the Benefactor or
- 19:35the Dear Leader or the Party or the ultimate state
- 19:38arranged things is not inevitable either.
- 19:43That these great powers could have been wrong,
- 19:46that they're not necessary. And if there is something
- 19:50greater than the greatest power in the world,
- 19:55if there is an agency that can't be captured or manipulated,
- 20:00then all of a sudden the dear leader or the power
- 20:03or the economy or the gross domestic product
- 20:07or the 5-year plan That's not absolutely
- 20:12important anymore. And maybe,
- 20:16just maybe, you might wander off
- 20:20and do something else that hasn't been planned for.
- 20:25And that's a disaster when you are caught up in a system that
- 20:29is oriented towards control. And isn't it
- 20:33terrifying to live in a place like that? A Jesuit friend
- 20:37of mine who was very kind to me when I was a young Jesuit
- 20:41before I was ordained, a Jesuit professor of philosophy at St. Louis University,
- 20:45Father John Cavanaugh. He did a lot of writing on
- 20:49advertising and the formation of conscience. Before I
- 20:53get into that, I want to jump ahead. I want to go to page 163
- 20:58where the, the mathematician is, is meeting
- 21:02a rebel. I think— oh gosh,
- 21:05What is her name? I think her, her name is I-330,
- 21:10and the hero is D-503.
- 21:13And she's explaining to him that
- 21:17there is life beyond the formula, there's life beyond
- 21:20the rational numbers, there's life beyond explanation.
- 21:25And he asks in fear and horror,
- 21:28what happens tomorrow? Listen to this.
- 21:32She greedily gulped the air through her clenched, sparkling,
- 21:35sharp teeth. Nobody knows, don't you see?
- 21:40I don't know, and neither does anyone else. No one knows anything, don't you understand?
- 21:44Everything known is over. Everything is new now. It's all unimaginable
- 21:48and unforeseen. And for someone
- 21:52who is a mathematician, who's convinced of having everything explained
- 21:57away by formula, That's terrifying.
- 22:03That capacity for surprise, for wonder,
- 22:06for imagination, that's going to wreak havoc
- 22:10on a schedule. That's going to wreak havoc on
- 22:14a production line.
- 22:18And what my friend John Cavanaugh had said in his research
- 22:22on Advertising and the Formation of Conscience is that advertisement
- 22:27wants you to love things and use people,
- 22:31and to have your identity absolutely wrapped up on
- 22:35what you have, what you produce, and what you consume.
- 22:41And I still remember he said— I can hear him say it— if you
- 22:45sit in your backyard on a Sunday afternoon
- 22:49and enjoy the sunlight and talk with your family and
- 22:53your neighbors, You haven't spent a dime.
- 22:58And in terms of the grand system of the consumerist
- 23:03economy, which must always, always,
- 23:06always be growing or else,
- 23:10you're a disaster because you haven't spent
- 23:15anything. You haven't consumed anything.
- 23:19You haven't set your hand and heart and minds on
- 23:23a new thing. You haven't thrown
- 23:28anything away. Instead, you've enjoyed
- 23:33nature cost-free, and you have begun to
- 23:36form a community, a genuine
- 23:40we. You've formed bonds that
- 23:44can't be controlled, that can't be manipulated
- 23:49by regulation or state or affected
- 23:53by advertisement. You're failing
- 23:57to be the cog in the machine because
- 24:01you know there is more to life,
- 24:05and the more to life isn't more stuff,
- 24:10but it's matter that reaches out beyond
- 24:13this world into the transcendent.
- 24:18And if you begin to suspect that the whole world
- 24:22is not enough for your immaterial
- 24:26soul, you're going to be very hard to bribe,
- 24:30addict, seduce, distract,
- 24:34and above all, you're going to become really hard to intimidate.
- 24:40You might even be willing to become a martyr,
- 24:46and grand systems of control
- 24:51absolutely do not want
- 24:55that, which is what we'll talk about in the next segment.
- 24:59I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTaggart, your host here every day of The Catholic Current.
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- 26:49Support us at thestationofthecross.com. Here we are Friday.
- 26:53Let's talk about this, and we are in part 13 of
- 26:57our ongoing series Novel Prophecies. Next week I think I'm gonna take a break from
- 27:02the novels because I've got some other things on my mind. We're reading a novel
- 27:06that was written in 1920, banned in the Soviet Union,
- 27:09and it really was kind of the great-granddaddy of all dystopian,
- 27:13contemporary dystopian literature, and obviously the inspiration for
- 27:17George Orwell's 1984, which we will get to eventually. But this
- 27:21is called We, by Yevgeny Zamyatin.
- 27:25And I'm setting this book in the context of the
- 27:29contemporary struggle for understanding human nature.
- 27:32But it's not understanding for the sake of reverence,
- 27:36which is what Christian anthropology does, but rather understanding for
- 27:40the sake of control and for manipulation.
- 27:44And the, the all-powerful one state refers
- 27:49to individuals as numbers, so nobody has a name.
- 27:52You're just, you know,
- 27:54D-503, and the state
- 27:58promises happiness, and happiness
- 28:02is defined as just doing what
- 28:06you're supposed to do without asking any questions,
- 28:09without wonder, without imagination,
- 28:13without any reference to the transcendent or
- 28:16the infinite. And when there are some rebels
- 28:20who break through both the metaphorical and literal
- 28:24walls of the city and see there's a big
- 28:28world out there and there's stuff going on that the Benefactor doesn't control,
- 28:32there's a panic and it mandates basically a
- 28:35kind of a lobotomy that will supposedly snuff your
- 28:40capacity for imagination. And the main character
- 28:43of the story— I won't call him a hero. I won't
- 28:48even say that he's got the agency to be a protagonist.
- 28:51He's just the main— he's the narrator. So he undergoes
- 28:56the procedure, and then he begins to look
- 29:01at his journal when he was under the— in the grip
- 29:05of imagination and wonder. And his
- 29:08girlfriend, who is a rebel, and he's trying
- 29:12to understand, and he says, was it really me who wrote these
- 29:15260 pages? Was it really me who once
- 29:19felt, or imagined he felt, any of this? And he continues,
- 29:23the handwriting is mine. And what follows is in exactly
- 29:27the same handwriting, thankfully. Only the handwriting is the same.
- 29:31No more delirious nonsense, no crazy metaphors, no feelings.
- 29:36Just facts. Because now I
- 29:40am healthy. I am completely
- 29:45and totally healthy. I'm smiling. I can't help smiling.
- 29:49A splinter has been removed from my head,
- 29:53and now it is empty and light. Rather, not empty,
- 29:57but there is nothing foreign in it that would keep me from smiling.
- 30:01Smiling is the normal state of a normal person. And it's because he underwent
- 30:07the lobotomy that will crush the imagination.
- 30:11And the people who don't want to undergo the lobotomy,
- 30:14the people who want to have soul and imagination and wonder,
- 30:18the state, the one state, and the benefactor call
- 30:23them the enemies of happiness.
- 30:28And he basically rats out his colleagues in the conspiracy.
- 30:32He said, why had this seemed so hard to me before? I can't understand.
- 30:35The only explanation is my former illness,
- 30:39a soul. And he watches very calmly as
- 30:44they execute his former girlfriend,
- 30:48and then the state is continuing with the cleanup measures,
- 30:52rebuilding the broken walls and hunting down all the rebels and so on.
- 30:56And he ends this way. He says, there is no time to waste.
- 31:00The western sectors are still in chaos,
- 31:03wailing dead bodies, wild animals, and unfortunately
- 31:07a great many numbers— we would call them people— who have betrayed
- 31:12reason. We were able to construct a temporary wall of
- 31:15high voltage waves on the transverse 40th Avenue,
- 31:19and I hope we will win. Moreover, I'm certain we'll
- 31:23win, for reason must win in the
- 31:27end. There's a lot of Chestertonian aphorisms about
- 31:31what happens if you have only reason and how you become mad
- 31:34if you have only logic, and this book is an illustration
- 31:38of that. So what we see in this dystopian
- 31:42vision of the future— remember, inspired by
- 31:46a mere 3 years of the Soviet
- 31:49workers' paradise. Lenin is still alive, Stalin hasn't killed
- 31:53his tens of millions, just yet, and he already, he already saw
- 31:58what was coming. So what we
- 32:02have in the 20th century and the 21st is
- 32:07a paradoxical pair of reductionisms.
- 32:11Okay, a reductionism is taking a complex reality and
- 32:15reducing it, oversimplifying it to just
- 32:19one element. So you can have a physical reductionism.
- 32:23You know, man is just an animal.
- 32:26We're just bodies with nerve endings and
- 32:30archetypes waiting to be tickled and fed. And we see this
- 32:34in Aldous Huxley in Brave New World. This is the tyranny
- 32:38of, of pleasure. Uh, there's also
- 32:42the idea that man is just reason,
- 32:45that effectively we're just machines.
- 32:51And I remember when I was working for the research company, uh,
- 32:55you know, when I was in business before I was a Jesuit— this is coming
- 32:58back to me now— and we're having some meeting and there's
- 33:02a cassette recorder on the table, and the speaker said,
- 33:06as a social psychologist, I know in principle there's no
- 33:10difference between a human being and this cassette recorder.
- 33:13Were both machines. And I punched him in the arm,
- 33:17and he complained, and I said, well, why is it when I punch the cassette
- 33:20it doesn't complain, but when I punch you, you complain?
- 33:24And if you really do believe, if you're certain it's true,
- 33:27that there is no difference between me and the machine,
- 33:31why are you trying to convince me and not the cassette recorder?
- 33:35And that was the end of the meeting. See, I would have ended up in
- 33:39the death chamber if I were a character in this novel. Here's my point,
- 33:42friends. There are always people trying to reduce human beings to make us
- 33:46merely bodies. We're just animals. And this is the cult
- 33:50of hedonism and sex and etc. And then there
- 33:53are the, the technologists. Yo, we can just
- 33:57upload human consciousness into the AI and into the cloud and
- 34:01blah blah blah blah blah. No, no, no, no, no. And you
- 34:06know, if, if you were a good philosopher who wanted to make up a
- 34:10system that was well suited to perfecting man you
- 34:13would want to come up with Catholicism. Of course, you can't come up with Catholicism
- 34:18because there are things like Trinity and so on and the Eucharist that you couldn't
- 34:21figure out on your own. They have to be revealed to you. But the
- 34:24pieces of the puzzle fit. It makes
- 34:29sense. It's got the fingerprints of someone who's supremely rational
- 34:33and supremely good, but it doesn't leave out
- 34:37the mystery. It doesn't leave out the
- 34:41element of wonder. It leaves
- 34:45you convicted of the fact that there must
- 34:50be more. And so we
- 34:53don't have to settle. We don't
- 34:57have to settle. C.S. Lewis, in his essay
- 35:02The Weight of Glory, describes man as being far too
- 35:06easily pleased. He said,
- 35:10we're like street urchins who are just playing and
- 35:14making mud pies in puddles by the side of the road,
- 35:18looking up with incomprehension when someone offers the
- 35:22prospect of a holiday at the sea. He said,
- 35:25so we settle, he says, for drink and sex and power and
- 35:30all that nonsense. None of which really lasts.
- 35:35None of which really lasts. And he said the fact that we
- 35:39can't be satisfied, really fully satisfied,
- 35:44by anything in this world is suggestive
- 35:48of the fact that there must be something else beyond this world for which
- 35:52we were made. I mean, even on
- 35:56your best day, and I don't know about you, I don't even have a lot
- 35:59of good days and very few best days, but even on your best day,
- 36:04you can't say, you know, it doesn't get
- 36:07any better than this. There is
- 36:11always a way that you can imagine it being better,
- 36:16more finer, more pleasant, more intense,
- 36:20more timely, more appropriate,
- 36:24never-ending. And in this life,
- 36:28Everything good must come to
- 36:32an end. Whatever can't last
- 36:35forever won't last forever.
- 36:41Our Lord knew this when he asked, why,
- 36:44um, spend your wages on what does not satisfy?
- 36:47What toil for what is not bread? What does it profit a man to gain
- 36:52the whole world if it costs him
- 36:55his immortal soul.
- 36:59And tyrants of every type don't
- 37:03want us to think about immortality,
- 37:07and not only for ourselves, but for our neighbor.
- 37:11C.S. Lewis says that everyone we meet
- 37:16has the potential to be even
- 37:21more glorious than an angel or
- 37:25more horrifying than a demon.
- 37:30And we're all made in the image and likeness of God,
- 37:34and the baptized are together members of
- 37:38the body of Christ.
- 37:40Christians can say we in
- 37:45a way that nobody else can.
- 37:49Christians can say we in
- 37:54a way that can't be captured or mirrored or
- 37:58diminished or subtracted by any tyrant
- 38:01anywhere. And that's why tyrants
- 38:06of the flesh and tyrants of the machine
- 38:09and tyrants of power and tyrants of ideology
- 38:14all hate the Church and
- 38:18either want to absolutely destroy the Church
- 38:23or co-opt the Church, infiltrate the Church
- 38:27to have armies of Trojan horses within
- 38:31the Church so that the Church is just
- 38:35one of the things that the tyranny of can control
- 38:39and manipulate. And so C.S.
- 38:42Lewis in The Screwtape Letters warns against what he calls Christianity
- 38:47and, you know, Christianity and the present crisis,
- 38:51where Christ is reduced to a mascot in
- 38:55the service of the ideology or the current thing or
- 38:59the cause of the day. And the
- 39:03church must insist that the only absolute
- 39:08is God, that the greatest good is
- 39:12Christ, that the truest truth is Christ, that the most
- 39:16beautiful beauty is Christ,
- 39:20that the world cannot replace or substitute
- 39:24or contain.
- 39:26Tyrants hate the church because
- 39:30Christ makes Christians ungovernable to
- 39:34tyrants, because Christians,
- 39:38indeed all of creation, is meant to be governed
- 39:42ultimately, ultimately by
- 39:46Christ the King,
- 39:50and tyrants must inevitably hate Christ
- 39:55the King. Indeed, all idols, and all idolaters must
- 39:59hate Christ the King, which is something about— I'll
- 40:04have a lot to say in forthcoming episodes. I'm Jesuit
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- 41:20Praise be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McDade of the Society of Jesus,
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- 41:33We proclaim the fullness of truth with clarity and charity.
- 41:37Here we are, the last segment of a Friday. You know what that means.
- 41:40You and me, we Weekend Readiness, reviewing the headlines of the week in light of
- 41:44the upcoming Sunday scripture. So we'll be all prayed up for Sunday Mass. What are
- 41:48the headlines that I'm following? Well, things are still violent and crazy in France
- 41:52and Italy and Belgium and Albania,
- 41:57so there's that. Um, people are still killing each
- 42:01other in the Middle East and in Ukraine, so there
- 42:04is that, uh, as well. Member of Congress Ilhan
- 42:08Omar is being investigated by the Department of Justice for,
- 42:12oh my goodness, all sorts of things involving corruption
- 42:15and faking her identity and her marriage certificate and possibly coming
- 42:20into the country illegally. Apparently she disappeared for 5 days and then had a
- 42:24video on TikTok. She's setting up a fundraiser. And so that's
- 42:29complicated. And, uh, and that's interesting. On the
- 42:33Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith under the stewardship of Cardinal
- 42:37Fernandez, has released a document called Venite
- 42:40Ad Me, Come to Me: Considerations on
- 42:44the Transmission of the Faith and an Epochal Change.
- 42:48I haven't read it yet. I think it's 144
- 42:52paragraphs long. I haven't even printed it out yet. As soon as
- 42:56I'm done here, I'm gonna print it out and review it because we're gonna be
- 42:59talking about that next Friday.
- 43:03Other headlines. France suspects
- 43:06that Antifa may be involved in the recent unpleasantness.
- 43:11The Department of Justice is running around America. There are marriage fraud businesses
- 43:15so that people can get green cards. Yeah, the world is still crazy.
- 43:19The world is still looking for things other than God
- 43:23to make itself happy, and people still
- 43:27reject the authority of Christ
- 43:30the King. Well, well, well,
- 43:34well, what did you think was going to happen? Now, uh,
- 43:38oh, and I did promise a good news story. I really did.
- 43:41And so here's the headline: Stranger helps— strangers help 86-year-old
- 43:46man who's been building a 62-foot boat in his backyard since 1987.
- 43:51So this gentleman, uh, named Dale who is
- 43:55from Mineral Wells, Texas, uh, wanted to build a
- 43:58boat in his backyard that he could sail to Alaska.
- 44:02And it has 4 staterooms, and it's roughly 75% complete.
- 44:07And he looks like he's in a wheelchair now, so maybe his best welding days
- 44:11are behind him, but some neighbors have come to help. So that's okay,
- 44:16that's an act of kindness, that's helping somebody live the dream.
- 44:20Thanks be to God, glad for that. So now let's turn to
- 44:25the scriptures. If you're following the Nova Ephemeris or Calendar of the Pauline Rite,
- 44:28we're looking at the 30th Sunday in Ordinary Time, Lectionary 148.
- 44:32I'm gonna make a prediction almost without a
- 44:37doubt. Uh, nearly every sermon heard
- 44:42in North America this weekend will focus
- 44:46on the first reading from Exodus 22.
- 44:49Thus says the Lord, you shall not molest or oppress an alien,
- 44:53for you were once aliens yourselves in the land of Egypt. And it
- 44:56goes on from there. I bet you, I bet you, I bet you there
- 45:01are going to be a lot of preachers who are not going to do their
- 45:03homework. They're going to turn this into carte blanche for open borders,
- 45:07and there's much more to the scripture than that.
- 45:12Jumping ahead to the epistles from Saint
- 45:16Paul, 1 Thessalonians chapter
- 45:201, and He is
- 45:24praising the Thessalonians, uh, he says,
- 45:27for turning away from idols to serve the living and true God.
- 45:31And listen to this: and to await his Son from heaven,
- 45:35whom he raised from the dead, Jesus,
- 45:38who delivers us from the coming wrath.
- 45:41What's this? The coming wrath?
- 45:43Wait a minute, that doesn't sound
- 45:48like dialogue or self-esteem or listening or synodality at all.
- 45:52The coming wrath. What?
- 45:57Apparently, it makes a big difference whether
- 46:01you are in harmony with the Christ of God or not.
- 46:06God does judge the world, and He
- 46:10judges fallen creation in rebellion against Him,
- 46:16against His order, against His Logos, against His
- 46:19eternal Word. And he sends his Son,
- 46:23the Christ, to fix it. And for
- 46:27those who cooperate and say yes, there is not the coming wrath
- 46:30but the coming glory.
- 46:33And the default value is the coming wrath.
- 46:37You have to choose to be in harmony with Christ.
- 46:42That's why conversion and repentance and
- 46:46evangelization why they're all so
- 46:50important, because of, you know, the coming wrath.
- 46:54And then we jump ahead to the gospel, Matthew 22,
- 46:59the greatest commandment. You shall love the Lord your God with all
- 47:03your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. The greatest and first commandment.
- 47:07The second is like it: you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
- 47:10The whole law and prophets depend on these 2 commandments.
- 47:14A great doctor of the Church, Jesuit saint and cardinal, Saint Robert
- 47:19Bellarmine, he said that at
- 47:23our judgment, he said the entire syllabus— speaking as a teacher— he
- 47:27said the entire syllabus will be charity,
- 47:31will be love. It won't be sentiment.
- 47:37It won't be the feels.
- 47:41Right? Love is desiring the
- 47:45best for the beloved. Our beloved is
- 47:49God Almighty, and what He deserves
- 47:53from us is worship and obedience.
- 47:59And He loves us, and He
- 48:03loves our neighbor, Our neighbor who
- 48:07is composed of body and soul, and we know what
- 48:11is best for him is that he meet his beloved who's
- 48:15God Almighty, our beloved. So the first act of charity,
- 48:19the first act of love, are the spiritual works
- 48:24of mercy. It's to win
- 48:27our neighbor over to Christ. That is
- 48:31the first and greatest act of justice
- 48:36and the first and greatest act of charity. And along with that are the corporal
- 48:39works of mercy to help meet the bodily needs.
- 48:44And there is an order to that love: family,
- 48:48nation, stranger. No one of these 3 idolized,
- 48:52and no one of the 3 ignored. And that order is not
- 48:55ignored either. So it's more
- 48:59than just the feels. We owe God
- 49:03obedience and worship, and we owe our neighbor the greatest
- 49:08act of charity, which is to win him over to Christ,
- 49:12and along the way to help meet his material needs
- 49:15according to our circumstances,
- 49:18acknowledging that free stuff for everyone to infinity forever
- 49:23is not possible. And I especially want
- 49:27to hear from you next week. Contact us, stationofthecross.com/askfather.
- 49:31Did I call it right that the sermon you heard based on
- 49:36Exodus 22 really wasn't an exegesis
- 49:40of the scripture but sentimental statements about open borders?
- 49:44I do want to hear from you about that.
- 49:47May God's holy name be praised now and forever. I'm Jesuit Father Robert
- 49:51McTeague, your host here every day of The Catholic Current. You want to join us
- 49:54on Monday, another episode of The Catholic Current, great topic Great
- 49:57conversation, great guests, because that's how we roll here every day
- 50:02at the Catholic Current and the Station of the Cross. Definitely tune in next Friday.
- 50:05We're going to take a little break from our series Novel Prophecies, and we're going
- 50:10to tackle the new document from Rome, Venite Ad Me,
- 50:13Come to Me. My professor's red pen
- 50:17is vibrating about a prospect of marking up that document.
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- 50:43may Almighty God bless you, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Go in peace,
- 50:46and please do pray for me, for I am am a sinner.