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Katie Harris of the Road Chose Me on Blending Human and Vehicle- Powered Adventures · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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Speaker 1: host Ashley Jordano. Today I'm joined by Katie Harris from
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Speaker 1: the Road Chose Me. Thank you so much for joining
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Speaker 1: me here in Nelson, b C.
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Speaker 2: Katie, Oh, it's such a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Yay.
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Speaker 1: So, as I said, the Road Chose Me. So, you
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Speaker 1: and Dan Greg have been traveling together for a while,
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Speaker 1: and he's been on this podcast before talking about all
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Speaker 1: his different travels, so many of you may not know
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Speaker 1: that Katie has been along for the ride too. Australia, Iceland, Tunisia,
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Speaker 1: parts of Europe. Anything I'm missing?
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Speaker 2: I think that's that's pretty good. Yeah started any Yeah, awesome?
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Speaker 1: Cool. So I wanted to start chatting.
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Speaker 2: With you about.
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Speaker 1: Your pre overlanding life because before you met Dan, you
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Speaker 1: did all these incredible activities on your own and then
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Speaker 1: came into this sort of industry and lifestyle learning all
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Speaker 1: about vehicle travel. So yeah, tell me a little bit
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Speaker 1: about your pre overland life.
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Speaker 2: My pre overland experience for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we live.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're We're in Nelson, DC, which is a super
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Speaker 4: outdoorsy town. And that was part of what drew me
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Speaker 4: here for sure, is the mountains and we're beside this
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Speaker 4: big lake and there's lots of great rivers and tons
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Speaker 4: of like backpacking in that country experience and experiences that
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Speaker 4: are possible opportunities.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So before I met Dan, I mean, I still work,
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Speaker 4: but I would try and go away as much as
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Speaker 4: I can. So like I paddled the Wind River up
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Speaker 4: in the Yukon, which took like two and a half weeks,
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Speaker 4: and like, I love paddling, being on the water and
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Speaker 4: love backpacking.
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Speaker 2: So like did the Annapurna Circuit.
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Speaker 4: And nepaul oh Wo which was yeah great, And so
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Speaker 4: always kind of just looking for opportunities to get to
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Speaker 4: get out and we're so close to so many amazing
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Speaker 4: great hikes and backpacking things, and I love seat touring.
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Speaker 4: That's the number one reason why I moved here is
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Speaker 4: because I love the snow and I love.
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Speaker 2: Being up in the mountains.
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Speaker 4: And so that was a huge thing that Dan and
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Speaker 4: I connected on at first. He used to live in
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Speaker 4: the Yukon and so we really talked about the Yukon
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Speaker 4: and just all of those backcountry experiences that we had
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Speaker 4: in common. And so, yeah, overlanding was a big was
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Speaker 4: a transition because you also can't bring as many toys
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Speaker 4: when you go overlanding.
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Speaker 2: You can't bring like five pairs of skis and canoe
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Speaker 2: and raft and all your backpacks, although I tried.
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Speaker 4: I want to starve to Australia, but yeah, so that was, yeah,
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Speaker 4: that was something that we really connected on and that
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Speaker 4: was also kind of how Dan sold me on overlanding,
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Speaker 4: because that's always a bit of his story is that
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Speaker 4: you know, he got into overlanding because you loved hiking,
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Speaker 4: and that was part of one of the ways that
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Speaker 4: he ended up getting into overlanding was just the journey
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Speaker 4: to the trailhead.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, there are lots of similarities too, because
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Speaker 1: some places you need to look into how are you
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Speaker 1: going to get to the places where you need to go? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you need to download some tracks or
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Speaker 1: do some research with maps or figure out where you're
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Speaker 1: gonna camp and how you're gonna You can only bring
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Speaker 1: a certain amount of stuff with you, so I can
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Speaker 1: see how those skills that you had from all these
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Speaker 1: things translated.
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Speaker 4: Totally very like transferable. Yeah, Like packing for crossing the
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Speaker 4: Simpson Desert was great. I was like I've packed for
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Speaker 4: lots of multi day canoe trips, Like I kind of
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Speaker 4: already had a sense of like what was gonna bruise
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Speaker 4: in the back of the jeep and like what kind
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Speaker 4: of meals could we make after we run out of
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Speaker 4: our fridge space? Right, because you are gonna have to
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Speaker 4: pack two weeks worth of food. You can't always put
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Speaker 4: two weeks of food in your fridge, but some things
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Speaker 4: keep really well not in fridge.
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Speaker 1: I love that so much, how that all kind of
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Speaker 1: works together. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
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Speaker 4: I felt like I could bring something to our over
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Speaker 4: Lanny because he brings a lot obviously, totally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nice to feel so like I.
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Speaker 4: Have a few skills that will come in common and
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Speaker 4: like map reading and all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: So that was yeah, that was handy, I guess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you would have, also, I'm assuming, been
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Speaker 1: able to bring some things that maybe you wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: able to on sort of like a human powered adventure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like when Dan described what a swag was.
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Speaker 4: To me the first time, and I was like, we
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Speaker 4: get to bring pillows, like each of us gets like
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Speaker 4: a real pillow and like bedding, Like.
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Speaker 2: I was really confused.
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Speaker 4: I think sometimes when people get into overlanding, it's like
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Speaker 4: really but roughing it, and but for me.
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Speaker 2: It felt the opposite.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It was like I get to bring an immersion blender,
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Speaker 2: Like it was really excit.
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Speaker 4: We did not bring an immersion blender when we were
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Speaker 4: in Australia, but we did bring one when we were
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Speaker 4: in Europe, which was actually very useful. So yeah, that
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Speaker 4: was also kind of a funny Yeah, funny realization and
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Speaker 4: funny transition for me as well.
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Speaker 1: So many transferable skills that can go both ways.
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Speaker 2: I love that for sure.
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Speaker 1: The ski touring, Like, what are some really wonderful memories
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Speaker 1: that you've had from ski touring trips?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just I mean for me, like sounds cheesy maybe,
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Speaker 4: but like the mountains are totally like a really spiritual
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Speaker 4: place for me. It's just like there's something about being
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Speaker 4: up in a mountain range and like when you get
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Speaker 4: up at elevation and just I don't know the way
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Speaker 4: that the silence is so full, you know, when you're
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Speaker 4: up there and being away being human powered and kind
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Speaker 4: of I remember kind of the first couple of times
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Speaker 4: I went describing it like because there is also a
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Speaker 4: huge element of risk, like you feel like you're I
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Speaker 4: kind of described it as like climbing up the.
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Speaker 2: Maine of a sleeping lion.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you know, like you're appreciating that you're taking these
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Speaker 4: big risks to be in these beautiful places and hopefully
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Speaker 4: not taking like crazy risks. And I love like working
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Speaker 4: as a team and the food that you get to
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Speaker 4: eat when you're in the back country, just grating, fairy.
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Speaker 2: Food, motivating. So I love the delicious snacks and.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the stars. Yeah, and there's some great
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Speaker 4: cabins around here. So yeah, that really told me, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
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Speaker 1: I could not love that more amazing. So you and
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Speaker 1: Dan came together and had all of these skill sets
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Speaker 1: that overlapped and interests that overlapped. What was the moment,
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Speaker 1: like when did you too meet? I?
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Speaker 4: So Dan was living with one of my friends his
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Speaker 4: roommate at the time, but he was never home and
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Speaker 4: at the beginning, his roommate was.
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Speaker 2: Like, oh, I love my new room. He's never home,
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Speaker 2: he's always away.
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Speaker 4: And then lockdown happened and suddenly her roommate was home
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Speaker 4: all the time. And I think part of it was
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Speaker 4: she was trying to get him out of the house
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Speaker 4: and so she started she was like, I really think
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Speaker 4: I should set you guys up. Like she kept like
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Speaker 4: really pushing Dan. He was like, oh, he's such a
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Speaker 4: great guy. You know, he's we live in a ski town.
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Speaker 4: So like it's as you may know, it's rife with
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Speaker 4: Australians who like live on couches and you know, are
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Speaker 4: see officeing the world.
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Speaker 1: So he's like, he's Australian and he lives in his
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Speaker 1: car and he's.
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Speaker 4: Really good at chopping firewood. It was like okay, Sarah
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Speaker 4: like through really selling.
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Speaker 2: Him, like I don't know, and.
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Speaker 4: Then of course eventually I like gave him and like
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Speaker 4: met and he's lovely.
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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of things to offer, not just
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Speaker 2: chopping firewood. So it was pretty kind.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel guilty in hindsight because he really
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Speaker 4: does live in his vehicle. But yeah, it came across
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Speaker 4: slightly differently when she was advertising.
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Speaker 2: Him as it as a potential partner. But yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was it. So we met, and I used to travel
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Speaker 2: a lot for work.
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Speaker 4: I was on the road or kind of in the
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Speaker 4: air but half the time, so for me too, I
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Speaker 4: also like suddenly was in Neelsent with a lot more
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Speaker 4: time than I had ever had before. So so yeah,
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Speaker 4: so we met during lockdown and that was great because
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Speaker 4: if not I don't know, I who we ever would
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Speaker 4: have been in the same place long enough to have connected.
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Speaker 1: So right, yeah, and what were you doing for work
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Speaker 1: at that time?
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Speaker 4: I was working provincially doing quality improvement work, so I
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Speaker 4: was traveling to the coast, a lot down Vancouver and
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Speaker 4: the capital, like the island, and then also just like
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Speaker 4: all over the province like doing projects and workshops and
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Speaker 4: stuff like that. So I really liked it, but it
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Speaker 4: was a lot to travel all the time, and it's
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Speaker 4: very difficult to fly out over our local airport too,
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Speaker 4: so truth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's hard. It's fun, but it's also hard.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. It's kind of a place that you go
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Speaker 1: to intentionally, yes, absolutely, yeah, which is great, but also
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Speaker 1: can be tricky to get out of sometimes if you
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Speaker 1: need to get to a hub or something quickly.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to be very intentional about leaving also, yes, right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So when you and Dan met, were you like, oh, wow,
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Speaker 1: this is a really random thing. This guy that I've
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Speaker 1: just met has like traveled by vehicle all over the world.
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Speaker 1: But then you also, I bet had a bunch of
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Speaker 1: stories from your experiences traveling and working and your outdoor pursuits,
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Speaker 1: and then he obviously had a bunch of stories and
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Speaker 1: it kind of came together in this amazing way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was pretty funny.
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Speaker 4: Actually, the weekend we met, I had actually just signed
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Speaker 4: the paperwork to buy a house and like to have roots,
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Speaker 4: you know, my first house.
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Speaker 2: And so he's like, I travel the world and I
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Speaker 2: was like.
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Speaker 4: I just signed papers to buy a house, but he
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Speaker 4: was like, no, that's actually such an advantage, like that
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Speaker 4: can be a really good asset, and so yeah, it did.
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Speaker 2: It did come together. But we our first conversation, we
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Speaker 2: really mainly blinded about. Yeah, the Yukon. He talked so
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Speaker 2: much about the Yukon.
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Speaker 4: And I didn't actually hear about most of his international
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Speaker 4: travels until way down the line.
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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Well.
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Speaker 4: Not way down the line, obviously, I saw his jeep
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Speaker 4: when we arrived, which at the giant map on the
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Speaker 4: front of it. But yeah, and I also spent some
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Speaker 4: time in Mali when I was a lot younger, four
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Speaker 4: months in Sub Soar Africa, so we also connected our
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Speaker 4: own that because not a lot of people have visited
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Speaker 4: Mali's right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really nice.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yes, yeah, you could really relate to each other. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: He actually he spent a couple of weeks in a
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Speaker 4: also a very small town, just a couple like less
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Speaker 4: than one hundred kilometers from where I spent my four months,
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Speaker 4: So it was really nice to connect on that. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: So lockdown's happening, you're here in Nelson, obviously, we have
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Speaker 1: to stay in one place for a while. And then
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Speaker 1: what was the first sort of trip that you decided
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Speaker 1: to go on together.
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Speaker 4: Well, then the big one was Australia the short term.
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Speaker 4: I think the first thing we did was go to
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Speaker 4: the Hot Springs pretty much like a couple of dates
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Speaker 4: and it was like, well, we're going to the Hot
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Speaker 4: Springs obviously, but yeah, it was Australia like that was
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Speaker 4: always kind of in well not always, but with the
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Speaker 4: lockdown happening and him being Australian that was in his cars,
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Speaker 4: it was one of the only places you could still
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Speaker 4: kind of travel without any restrictions once you got there.
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Speaker 4: So there was a two week hotel quarantine when you
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Speaker 4: got there, and especially at the beginning of COVID, there
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Speaker 4: was there were no cases they had, you know, matches
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Speaker 4: with thirty thousand footballer is in the same place and
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Speaker 4: weddings and whatever.
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Speaker 2: So we were like, off, we can.
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Speaker 4: Make it into Australia, like we don't have to worry
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Speaker 4: about anything.
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Speaker 2: And we can.
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Speaker 4: It's a huge country, there's so much to explore it.
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Speaker 4: He'd never really gone back to do that. They call
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Speaker 4: it the lap, you know.
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Speaker 1: Like going around the lap.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course we went through the middle many times.
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Speaker 2: It's a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Not perfect circle, but a lot of the interesting stuffs
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Speaker 4: in the middle. So yeah, so that was that was
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Speaker 4: the plan, and we always kind of.
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Speaker 2: Knew that was where he was going to go.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I just decided to resign and jump
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Speaker 4: on board.
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Speaker 2: Yeah cool.
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Speaker 1: What were you most looking forward to in Australia?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I just wanted to be in I
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Speaker 4: could not think of a more different landscape than where
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Speaker 4: we live, Like we live in such a like lush, temperate,
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Speaker 4: voluptuous rainforest, and then I was going to like a flat,
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Speaker 4: dried desert like I think the average elevation of Australia's
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Speaker 4: fifty meters above sea level.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it totally is so different there. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Cool. And the vehicle set up.
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Speaker 2: In Australia Yeah, oh yeah. We had a jeep Gladiator,
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Speaker 2: which shocked me.
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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what existed before this trip. And
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Speaker 4: we lived in a swag.
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Speaker 1: What's a Swag's everyone's favorite question.
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Speaker 4: I like to describe it as a cross between like
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Speaker 4: a body bag and a baby a body bag.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen one before?
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Speaker 4: It's like basically it's the sleeping bag with like a
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Speaker 4: little roof. Gotcha a sleeping bag built for two, you know,
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Speaker 4: like a bicycle you can get.
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Speaker 2: You can get little ones.
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Speaker 4: There'll be like whole families where you have like a
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Speaker 4: mama and a pop and little baby.
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Speaker 2: Ones who It's very cute.
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Speaker 4: And when I first got there, it was just like
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Speaker 4: it's like someone took the most poorly designed, like they
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Speaker 4: took a tent and then they just made everything about
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Speaker 4: it wrong. Like no, I think it's like my backpacking tent.
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Speaker 4: It's like it's light, it's like super waterproof. It's like compact,
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Speaker 4: it's breathable, and like the swag is like heavy.
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Speaker 2: It's made out of canvas. It is not waterproof at all.
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Speaker 4: There's like a huge foamy mattress that just did a
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Speaker 4: giant sponge and like absorbs so much water you can
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Speaker 4: like twist it out and like yeah, and it was massive.
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Speaker 4: It was like I could barely get it in and
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Speaker 4: out of the gladiator and it's like yeah, like my
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Speaker 4: arms would be like this big around it, and yeah,
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Speaker 4: so that's what we're in. But I have to say,
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Speaker 4: like after being in Australia in especially in the desert,
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Speaker 4: because in the beginning of our trip it rained so much,
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Speaker 4: like kept being like so.
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Speaker 2: Good, damn great plant because there's also.
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Speaker 4: Like nowhere to put your shoes, like it's like this
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Speaker 4: high so you can't even sit up and get changed
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Speaker 4: inside of it. Like it's it's not a living space.
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Speaker 4: It's literally just a sleeping bag with a fly screen
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Speaker 4: on top of it. But it is great in the
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Speaker 4: desert because it is comfortable, like there is bedding, and
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Speaker 4: it stands up to really hard conditions, like there's so
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Speaker 4: many sharp, pointy things in the desert, like huge things
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Speaker 4: that would like go through my broken stocks, you know,
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Speaker 4: like oh my god, yeah, so like my tent would
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Speaker 4: have been scrapped, and the sun is just so brutal.
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Speaker 4: So I think by the end of the trip I
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Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I understand why we did this swag.
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Speaker 4: But at the beginning it was like why do we
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Speaker 4: have this, like this is my whole tent like so uh, yes,
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Speaker 4: that made sense. And in longer we had a great slideout
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Speaker 4: kitchen set up, and we had some like a great
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Speaker 4: awning and you know, the chairs and water system well
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Speaker 4: then in the back but solar panels. But yeah, it
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Speaker 4: was very much like living outside setup, which was great
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Speaker 4: because once the rain stopped, it was mainly sunny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, incredible. What did you notice coming there for
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Speaker 1: the first time that you're just kind of blown away
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Speaker 1: or surprised or excited or interested about in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question.
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Speaker 1: Could be anything, could be scenery, food, interactions, hikes, driving overland,
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Speaker 1: called to anything.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a huge country, and I think
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Speaker 4: like coming from Canada, You're like, we live in a
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Speaker 4: big country. I'm not going to be like scared or
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Speaker 4: intimidated by how big Australia is. But Canadians live in
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Speaker 4: the bottom like you know, fifty kilometers or one hundred.
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Speaker 2: One hundred miles with border or whatever. It is, so.
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Speaker 4: Coming to Australia, like everyone lives around the outside and
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Speaker 4: then the very middle, So the distances are suddenly much
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Speaker 4: greater because you're not going just along the bottom of
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Speaker 4: the border, You're going all the way around the outside.
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Speaker 4: And so I think I was impressed by that, like
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Speaker 4: the vastness of Australia, like driving across the sinsin desert
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Speaker 4: and we did that. I was like, yes, we've done it,
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Speaker 4: We've finished the desert back to civilization. And then you
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Speaker 4: like leave Birdsville, which is this tiny little outpost at
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Speaker 4: the end of the desert with the other side of
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Speaker 4: the desert, and then it's like still like three thousand
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Speaker 4: or three and a half thousand kilometers and it's just
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Speaker 4: like the same dirt track.
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Speaker 2: It's just slightly flatter as.
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Speaker 4: You leave, and then it slowly becomes like slightly wider,
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Speaker 4: and then one track is paved and then it's you know,
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Speaker 4: but it was like still like fo or five days
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Speaker 4: of long days of driving on corrugations until you hit
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Speaker 4: like actual civilizations.
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Speaker 2: So I think that was pretty adjustment. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And then and then I loved like it was cool
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Speaker 4: to see some of them more tropical places as well,
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Speaker 4: like the Castwerries and like I've never beenwhere really tropical before,
17:22
Speaker 4: so just the lushness.
17:23
Speaker 2: Of like oh, bananas and pineapples and.
17:25
Speaker 4: Mangoes and yeah, that kind of like rainforest y stuff
17:28
Speaker 4: was very cool.
17:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
17:29
Speaker 4: An ocean, I mean, Australia is a lot going for it,
17:32
Speaker 4: but the coral reefs are pretty cool.
17:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible stuff.
17:38
Speaker 1: I love that so much. What were some tough moments
17:42
Speaker 1: in Australia. Yeah, well, we did get COVID like on
17:48
Speaker 1: the first day of the sins the desert, which was
17:52
Speaker 1: not ideal.
17:53
Speaker 4: I would say that was probably a tough moment. It
17:56
Speaker 4: also like rained in the middle of the desert and
17:58
Speaker 4: there's just so many.
17:59
Speaker 2: Flies, so that was really hard.
18:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, just feeling pretty isolated and sick and like, yeah.
18:09
Speaker 2: That was that was tough, tough moment.
18:12
Speaker 4: But in some ways it was great because I mean
18:13
Speaker 4: we had fourteen days worth of food with us and
18:15
Speaker 4: water and like we weren't going to come in contact
18:18
Speaker 4: with anybody else, so that was really a little bit stressful.
18:24
Speaker 4: But that was definitely, yeah, a challenging moment for sure.
18:29
Speaker 4: Definitely moments on Cape York, which is up the northern
18:33
Speaker 4: most tip of Australia. I had no idea driving like
18:36
Speaker 4: that existed, so that was definitely a bit challenging for
18:39
Speaker 4: me to like get into it, and I yeah, I
18:43
Speaker 4: normally do a lot of the driving, so that was
18:45
Speaker 4: also like a bit like oh my god, like I'm
18:48
Speaker 4: not driving that, so yeah, that was that was also challenging,
18:52
Speaker 4: and then in the end awesome, like it was I
18:54
Speaker 4: got into it and it was we met great people
18:56
Speaker 4: and we had an incredible adventure up there.
18:58
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, yeah, it was a great trip.
19:03
Speaker 4: So yeah, sometimes the monotony of the longer days, but
19:06
Speaker 4: we fall into the rhythm.
19:07
Speaker 1: You know, it's totally Yeah, it works.
19:09
Speaker 2: I got really into running, which was great.
19:11
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, running in them out back.
19:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean sometimes you just want to get out
19:16
Speaker 4: of the vehicle and like listen to your own music
19:19
Speaker 4: and smell the air, like you know, it's really dusty,
19:21
Speaker 4: can be really dusty on a lot of those roads.
19:23
Speaker 2: So sometimes it's nice to just go out first.
19:24
Speaker 4: Thing in the morning and it's so hot there that
19:26
Speaker 4: I had to get up like as soon as the
19:27
Speaker 4: sun came up or it was too hot.
19:29
Speaker 2: So I really look back on a lot of those
19:32
Speaker 2: memories really fondly, like just going for going for my
19:34
Speaker 2: run every day.
19:35
Speaker 1: So wonderful. Yeah. I had my first Aussie berger recently
19:41
Speaker 1: and I it was fun because we were chatting about
19:45
Speaker 1: like food culture in Australia and there are things that
19:47
Speaker 1: are really interesting to me since I've never been there.
19:50
Speaker 1: But yeah, tell me a little bit about the the
19:54
Speaker 1: food tips.
19:55
Speaker 4: Oh man, Yeah, it was that was also really surprising
19:58
Speaker 4: to me. I always thought that Canada was or Australia
20:02
Speaker 4: was kind of like, you know, a hot Canada or
20:04
Speaker 4: like southern Canada, because you know, they're both red on
20:07
Speaker 4: the globe British you know, colonies. For some reason, my
20:12
Speaker 4: sense of geography was just really skewed, and I thought
20:13
Speaker 4: we were at the same latitude, just they were south.
20:16
Speaker 2: But they're like, really, they're way close to the equator,
20:20
Speaker 2: Like I'm embarrassed by.
20:23
Speaker 4: Like they're more like southern Mexico like in terms of
20:27
Speaker 4: where they are relative the equator. So they have the
20:30
Speaker 4: opportunity to grow some amazing fruit, but their culture is
20:35
Speaker 4: still extremely British. So it's just like, yeah, I remember
20:38
Speaker 4: saying that to Dan a few weeks after we got there.
20:41
Speaker 4: It was just like, oh, like they could have amazing
20:43
Speaker 4: like Mexican food or tie food, like based on the
20:45
Speaker 4: things that grow, Like people literally throw away avocados because
20:48
Speaker 4: so many of them are like lemons, limes, yeah, like
20:51
Speaker 4: hot peppers, all this stuff.
20:53
Speaker 2: And then everything's kind of like beige and deep fried.
20:56
Speaker 4: You know, like we're having Christmas dinner and it's like
20:58
Speaker 4: a roast and it's like thirty five degree and you're like,
21:01
Speaker 4: what we have avo gottos, So that was definitely an adjustment.
21:06
Speaker 4: Meat pies are a huge thing, right, Yeah, like almost
21:10
Speaker 4: all the gas stations, like even in the middle of
21:11
Speaker 4: nowhere will have like a pie warmer and like meat pies,
21:15
Speaker 4: and these other things called Chico rolls, which are basically
21:18
Speaker 4: like like basically just like an egg roll. For some reason,
21:23
Speaker 4: that's super popular, kind of like the way you buy
21:24
Speaker 4: like a hot dog at a gas station.
21:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have Chico.
21:27
Speaker 4: Rolls, and they have these other things called dim sims,
21:29
Speaker 4: which again are just kind of like a dumpling, and
21:31
Speaker 4: you can get like a bunch of dumplings in like
21:33
Speaker 4: a plastic bag and just like eat that while you're.
21:35
Speaker 2: Driving, which is quirky. And yeah, you kind of lean
21:38
Speaker 2: into that.
21:39
Speaker 4: And then when you're in the outback pubs or like
21:42
Speaker 4: the stations, like the only two things you can maybe
21:44
Speaker 4: you can order an Aussi burger if there's a good
21:46
Speaker 4: one will be a good one. But the other thing
21:48
Speaker 4: to order is a chicken parmi And so yeah, that's
21:51
Speaker 4: that's pretty good. But I learned really early on that
21:53
Speaker 4: even though there might be like the idea of other
21:56
Speaker 4: things on the menu, you should.
21:57
Speaker 2: Just stick to the chicken parmi or the ausie burger, because.
22:00
Speaker 4: They're really the only two delicious things. Everything else is
22:05
Speaker 4: very questionable and probably from the back.
22:07
Speaker 2: Of a freezer.
22:07
Speaker 1: So gotcha, and you're the ausie burger is an ausie
22:11
Speaker 1: burger when it has it has to have like pineapple
22:14
Speaker 1: and an egg and sometimes bacon and beetroots. Beetroot yeah,
22:18
Speaker 1: pickled or not pickled?
22:19
Speaker 2: Oh good, I think it's pickled.
22:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and pine pineapple ring often pickles baca.
22:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:25
Speaker 4: It's delicious, and it's like it's quite a there's quite
22:28
Speaker 4: a science behind the whole stacking it. And when you
22:30
Speaker 4: pick it up, it's like you know, taco or something.
22:31
Speaker 4: You can't put it back down again. So you're just
22:33
Speaker 4: like committed to this giant.
22:34
Speaker 1: You can't put it back down.
22:36
Speaker 4: It's very difficult to put it back down because all
22:38
Speaker 4: the layers like slip around, like yeah, cool.
22:43
Speaker 1: And trick and parmi.
22:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like chicken parmesana.
22:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get it with all kinds of different toppings,
22:49
Speaker 4: but and they like them to be like really big,
22:51
Speaker 4: like hang over the edge of the plate.
22:52
Speaker 2: If they can.
22:53
Speaker 1: Oh that's the thing. Pint. Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah.
23:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got that kind of going for you.
23:01
Speaker 1: Nice, so great, Love it Australia, Love it. How long
23:08
Speaker 1: were you there for?
23:09
Speaker 4: I think we were there for like damn, was there
23:11
Speaker 4: for like over a year and a half two year close, yeah,
23:15
Speaker 4: twenty months.
23:15
Speaker 2: I was there for maybe sixteen or eighteen.
23:17
Speaker 4: We did a lot of hiking also. That was the
23:19
Speaker 4: other thing that I did conven stand to bring our
23:21
Speaker 4: hiking here on that trip. And so we did a
23:23
Speaker 4: ton of not a ton, but like probably six or
23:26
Speaker 4: seven like multi day backpacking trips.
23:27
Speaker 2: So nice, which is awesome.
23:29
Speaker 4: Some involving like very crocodile laden like areas that we
23:33
Speaker 4: had to like cross which was a new thing for me,
23:37
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was that was great. Those were some
23:39
Speaker 4: highlights also.
23:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible time. And then you returned to Canada, both
23:44
Speaker 1: of you eventually, yeah.
23:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, came back to Nelson and then had a baby,
23:50
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, that was the thing. Yeah yeah. And
23:55
Speaker 4: then and then in Canada we get quite a long
23:59
Speaker 4: parental leaves, so I was going to be off for
24:01
Speaker 4: eighteen months, so we decided after the first six months
24:03
Speaker 4: that we would hit the road again.
24:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then how did you decide when you were
24:09
Speaker 1: ready to go, and how did you decide on the destinations?
24:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question.
24:17
Speaker 4: Well, I think from everything that we had heard, we
24:20
Speaker 4: love skiing, we love winter, and so our daughter was
24:24
Speaker 4: born in November, so we knew we wanted to be
24:26
Speaker 4: here for like the winter season, which puts us already
24:29
Speaker 4: at like March or April. And also we'd heard from people,
24:32
Speaker 4: you know, those first couple months can be really hard.
24:35
Speaker 4: They can be like really beautiful, but like you have
24:37
Speaker 4: enough going on in your little tiny bubble, and we
24:39
Speaker 4: wanted to feel supported by our community, and like we
24:44
Speaker 4: had some family from Australia come over to help support us,
24:46
Speaker 4: which was amazing, so we wanted to kind of like
24:49
Speaker 4: live that out. And then yeah, it just felt like
24:51
Speaker 4: the right timing. Also with the vehicle build to leave
24:55
Speaker 4: in the springs, that was part of it, was just
24:57
Speaker 4: like the seasonality.
24:59
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was that we'd heard from
25:01
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
25:03
Speaker 4: It's so easy to travel with kids or like babies,
25:06
Speaker 4: but then once they start walking, it gets a bit crazy.
25:10
Speaker 4: So basically, like from I want to say, like four
25:13
Speaker 4: or five months until eighteen months is like the golden
25:16
Speaker 4: time for traveling.
25:17
Speaker 2: Like they fly for free.
25:18
Speaker 4: They're like amused by like a measuring cup or like
25:21
Speaker 4: you know, the ticket from the grocery store receipt whatever.
25:25
Speaker 4: And then as soon as they start walking, they just
25:27
Speaker 4: want to be walking. And they also like start to
25:29
Speaker 4: want to have friends, and they want to talk in English,
25:31
Speaker 4: and they like want to do all those things. So
25:34
Speaker 4: we kind of identified that as being a really good
25:36
Speaker 4: time for us that we want to take advantage of.
25:38
Speaker 4: And yeah, also like a great opportunity because I knew
25:41
Speaker 4: I could come back and like have my.
25:43
Speaker 2: Job back at the end of it, which is also great.
25:45
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25:47
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Speaker 1: A great overline vehicle. That is a jeep with a
26:58
Speaker 1: camper attached. Yeah, up in the back, I can tell
27:00
Speaker 1: you that top and back back yep.
27:02
Speaker 4: So there's like almost a queen sized bed up top,
27:05
Speaker 4: and then when it's up, like when the bed is
27:07
Speaker 4: pushed up as well and the top is popped, there's
27:09
Speaker 4: like a full kitchen with like induction cooktop and a fridge, freezer,
27:15
Speaker 4: our little pantry, a bench. Yeah. So it was a
27:18
Speaker 4: nice yeah, so different for us for having like indoor
27:20
Speaker 4: living space also.
27:21
Speaker 1: Right, that was awesome, Yeah nice, And especially because you
27:25
Speaker 1: were headed to Iceland first, is that right?
27:27
Speaker 4: Yeah?
27:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in uh it was kind of shoulder season
27:33
Speaker 1: or wintery we get heading into winter.
27:35
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, well we got there at the beginning of August,
27:37
Speaker 4: but we actually spent like two and a half months
27:39
Speaker 4: there right, so by October they had like a foot
27:42
Speaker 4: of snow, which was beautiful because we kind of got
27:44
Speaker 4: to see like almost like three seasons. We got to
27:48
Speaker 4: see all the colors changing, which is actually super beautiful.
27:51
Speaker 4: I had no idea Iceland has almost no trees like
27:53
Speaker 4: the Vikings capital town, except for one little area that
27:56
Speaker 4: we got to see in the fall, which was beautiful.
27:58
Speaker 4: But the hillside have like so many different mosses that
28:00
Speaker 4: changed color. I don't know when you were there, but yeah,
28:02
Speaker 4: it was really beautiful. And then the snow was amazing,
28:05
Speaker 4: Like it was so fun driving the snow, and yeah,
28:09
Speaker 4: Dan got to drive up on the glacier and that
28:12
Speaker 4: was just it's it's a magic. We both loved Iceland.
28:14
Speaker 4: It was really incredible.
28:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:16
Speaker 1: Cool.
28:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we definitely wanted the indoor living space,
28:19
Speaker 4: knowing how crazy the weather gets an Iceland and especially
28:22
Speaker 4: the wind, like the wind and the rain, and then
28:24
Speaker 4: having our baby, it was like, oh, we need somewhere
28:26
Speaker 4: like consistent and dry and safe to sleep in.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, tell me a little bit about traveling with
28:32
Speaker 1: your daughter Aurora on that trip, because I'm assuming that's
28:36
Speaker 1: the first time. Yeah, you had all ventured off on
28:40
Speaker 1: an overline trip together, her as the new travel buddy.
28:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was great. It was so good.
28:46
Speaker 4: And we actually we drove across the country birth to
28:49
Speaker 4: get to Halifax, right, so.
28:50
Speaker 2: That was kind of our introduction.
28:52
Speaker 4: And at the beginning, the kids sleep so much when therefore,
28:57
Speaker 4: like I think she was still taking straight up the day,
28:59
Speaker 4: So at the beginning you just kind of like plan
29:01
Speaker 4: your day around their NEPs and you drive when you
29:02
Speaker 4: can to make that huge distance. But yeah, I was
29:06
Speaker 4: really like, I don't want to say it was easy,
29:08
Speaker 4: but it think it's a lot easier than people think
29:11
Speaker 4: it's going to be.
29:11
Speaker 2: Like people would be like.
29:12
Speaker 4: Well, you're so brave traveling with the baby, but like
29:15
Speaker 4: you're your own little unit. You get to spend so
29:17
Speaker 4: much time together as a family. And then I think
29:19
Speaker 4: so much of overlanding or traveling in general, it's like
29:23
Speaker 4: about being like really present in different places and like
29:26
Speaker 4: doing a lot of really simple things that like sometimes
29:29
Speaker 4: it can be hard like to like appreciate the moment
29:33
Speaker 4: when you're sharing with like this little human.
29:35
Speaker 2: You know, you're like, oh, I'm here with the Aurora, Like
29:37
Speaker 2: you know, so that was really and she's looking at
29:40
Speaker 2: the world.
29:40
Speaker 4: In this whole new way that like again that's a cliche,
29:43
Speaker 4: but like with one like this type of wonder that
29:47
Speaker 4: like I think you get to like lean into and
29:49
Speaker 4: borrow and and also like you're gonna be tired wherever
29:53
Speaker 4: you are, Like you might as well be tired somewhere beautiful. Like,
29:57
Speaker 4: you know, I definitely had days where like, yeah, like
30:01
Speaker 4: you know, you have those days where you're getting up
30:02
Speaker 4: and you're just kind of surviving. But like if you're
30:04
Speaker 4: doing that in Iceland and then at the end of
30:06
Speaker 4: the day, you're like, ah, and then I you know,
30:08
Speaker 4: saw a glacier in Iceland where it's like, you know,
30:11
Speaker 4: you didn't really do very much, but yeah, you got
30:15
Speaker 4: to experience this really awesome thing with your baby, and yeah,
30:19
Speaker 4: and you get really creative and it's a great way
30:22
Speaker 4: of connecting with other people. Went to story times, like
30:25
Speaker 4: in all the countries we went to, if we could
30:27
Speaker 4: find a story time, we'd go to a story time.
30:29
Speaker 4: And because Roor doesn't speak English or Icelandic, so like yeah,
30:35
Speaker 4: in all the public pools and like and people just
30:38
Speaker 4: love kids, like they you know, love to chat with
30:40
Speaker 4: you and love to bring special things up for your kid.
30:43
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was really great. I love taking into
30:46
Speaker 2: art galleries.
30:46
Speaker 4: She probaously learned how to crawl in the art galleries
30:49
Speaker 4: because they're like nice, clean, heated spaces where she could
30:52
Speaker 4: just flop around, and yeah, it was.
30:55
Speaker 1: It was really great, wonderful stuff. Yeah, Oh, I'm curious
31:00
Speaker 1: about how because you're documenting the trip as well. Maybe
31:06
Speaker 1: that isn't I don't know if that's the primary focus
31:08
Speaker 1: of the trip or not, And maybe it is, maybe
31:11
Speaker 1: it isn't, but yeah, I'd like to know a little
31:15
Speaker 1: bit more about that, like how do you balance documenting
31:20
Speaker 1: with living?
31:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, good question, and they think something we're still trying
31:26
Speaker 4: to figure out for sure. We definitely had days where
31:28
Speaker 4: they're like kind of like more like work days or
31:30
Speaker 4: days where we like knew it was more about the
31:32
Speaker 4: vehicle and more about like overlanding, like overlanding, but that
31:35
Speaker 4: kind of world driving, you know, days which over actually
31:39
Speaker 4: sleeps really great on like rougher roads, which is awesome.
31:43
Speaker 2: I like the swaying and the like sound of the gravel.
31:47
Speaker 2: So that was, Yeah, that's obvious.
31:50
Speaker 4: But yeah, definitely it's a tough, tough balance to like
31:52
Speaker 4: figure figure that out and figure out Yeah, I think
31:59
Speaker 4: it's hard to when you're documenting for an audience and
32:02
Speaker 4: then also like to remember to document for yourselves. Yeah,
32:06
Speaker 4: because like obviously, like I don't think everyone's as interested
32:08
Speaker 4: in like aura.
32:09
Speaker 2: Pictures as I am.
32:11
Speaker 4: But if I've been taking photos of the deep all
32:13
Speaker 4: day or like footage you're filming, then it's hard to
32:16
Speaker 4: then turn the lens towards like.
32:17
Speaker 2: What I want for myself.
32:19
Speaker 4: Yes, and I don't do a lot of filming, but
32:22
Speaker 4: it's still just that idea of like, yeah, like who's
32:26
Speaker 4: how are we document and who are we documenting this for?
32:28
Speaker 4: And do we even need to document this for ourselves
32:31
Speaker 4: or anyway?
32:32
Speaker 2: Yeah? Only, Yeah, that's that's a new thing that we're
32:34
Speaker 2: still thinking about.
32:35
Speaker 1: I think sure. And then I bet even from sort
32:38
Speaker 1: of a logistical perspective, we're going through a specific area
32:41
Speaker 1: and it's like we need drone.
32:43
Speaker 5: Shots here, Yes, we have to have them, but what
32:45
Speaker 5: if you know, is it naptip Like I have all
32:49
Speaker 5: of the food or feeding or whatever, all the things
32:53
Speaker 5: you have to balance, but also you have to like
32:55
Speaker 5: do this drone thing right now, so like you have
32:57
Speaker 5: to drive and yeah, it has to fly own and
33:00
Speaker 5: like all.
33:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now we have this other variable like having
33:02
Speaker 4: this screaming child in the background. So like Aurora loves
33:05
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift. Like I'm just gonna be totally transparent and
33:08
Speaker 4: like if you could hear what we were listening to
33:11
Speaker 4: for a lot of like really gnarly drunk footage, it's
33:13
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift Champion Problems just unrepeat and I'm probably like
33:17
Speaker 4: singing along as I am driving.
33:19
Speaker 2: Yes, stands like drowning or whatever.
33:20
Speaker 4: So yes, yeah, I was in the top zero point
33:23
Speaker 4: three percent of her listeners this year on Spotify.
33:26
Speaker 2: I'm not even a shame to a minute.
33:27
Speaker 4: Whatever it takes, Thanks Taylor.
33:30
Speaker 2: Yeah cool.
33:32
Speaker 1: So Iceland, Yeah, did that and then moved on Yeah, took.
33:38
Speaker 2: To Europe yep, great, yeah.
33:40
Speaker 1: And then what was next?
33:44
Speaker 4: We visited some friends Switzerland and then we actually walked
33:47
Speaker 4: the Caninome, which was awesome.
33:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:50
Speaker 4: So we left the vehicle behind, got a new vehicle
33:52
Speaker 4: of three wheel variety, the stroller, and uh yeah, hit
33:57
Speaker 4: that up.
33:58
Speaker 2: That was great.
33:58
Speaker 4: So it's like a six five hundred and six hundred.
34:02
Speaker 2: Mile long walk.
34:04
Speaker 4: I think it's like eight hundred kilometers and along the
34:07
Speaker 4: north is Spin and we walked it for like six weeks.
34:12
Speaker 1: Wow.
34:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was cool.
34:15
Speaker 1: How did a Ora like that?
34:16
Speaker 2: She loved it. Yeah, we're just like outside every day
34:19
Speaker 2: all day.
34:21
Speaker 4: We normally were walking for like six hours, and so
34:24
Speaker 4: she'd be in the stroller for you know, two or
34:27
Speaker 4: four of those I'd normally carry her for two of
34:30
Speaker 4: those hours. And yeah, and then every night we were
34:33
Speaker 4: somewhere different. I think we had like a couple of
34:36
Speaker 4: rest nights, but it was almost like a new place
34:37
Speaker 4: every night for six weeks, which was cool. It was
34:40
Speaker 4: also really different because that's part of overlanding, right, you
34:42
Speaker 4: always have your consistent home, and then this was like
34:45
Speaker 4: the opposite, Like there was so much change every night.
34:48
Speaker 2: You didn't know if our place was gonna be.
34:50
Speaker 4: Freezing, what the size bed we were gonna have, Like
34:53
Speaker 4: it was gonna be loud or cold or whatever. So yeah,
34:56
Speaker 4: it was It really made us appreciate some of the
34:58
Speaker 4: things about our vehicle when we got home, you know,
35:01
Speaker 4: and yeah, sometimes you just need a change to appreciate
35:03
Speaker 4: where you're at. So it was a great break and
35:06
Speaker 4: it was so amazing to spend that much time outside
35:08
Speaker 4: and together as a family and just like a really.
35:12
Speaker 2: Simple, simple life for those six weeks. Simple pace.
35:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great because they're like, we just need to
35:19
Speaker 1: figure out food, and then we need to walk, and
35:22
Speaker 1: then we need to figure out where we're sleeping.
35:24
Speaker 4: Yep, pretty much every day and like there's really only
35:26
Speaker 4: a couple options every day. So we had a lot
35:29
Speaker 4: of bread and cheese or started to walk on the communo,
35:32
Speaker 4: which was also pretty cool. Wow, and you just have
35:36
Speaker 4: a lot of picnics, Like if she's hungry, you just
35:38
Speaker 4: pop out of the picnic blanket and sit down the
35:40
Speaker 4: farmer's field and have your cheese and bread and.
35:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great.
35:46
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, and then you reunite with the vehicles.
35:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:51
Speaker 4: We spent some time in the UK visiting family, like
35:53
Speaker 4: just because we were we had to fly at some
35:56
Speaker 4: point in time to get back to Switzerland where the
35:58
Speaker 4: Deep bleaz and so we did that and then we
36:01
Speaker 4: took the Deep to Sardinia and then from there we
36:04
Speaker 4: went down to Tunisia.
36:05
Speaker 1: Okay, great Tunisia. What was that?
36:09
Speaker 2: Yeah?
36:09
Speaker 1: How was that?
36:10
Speaker 4: Like?
36:11
Speaker 2: It was great?
36:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really nice, a totally different area I've
36:15
Speaker 4: I've only been like I've been to Morocco and I've
36:17
Speaker 4: been to Mali, which are very different, and it was
36:22
Speaker 4: very like I feel like culturally it's more cohesive than
36:27
Speaker 4: either of those places. In Mali, there's like some like
36:33
Speaker 4: way more languages. Obviously, there's like ninety plus dialects in
36:36
Speaker 4: Mali and many different languages, and there's like a lot
36:40
Speaker 4: of different religious and spiritual traditions.
36:42
Speaker 2: And similar with Morocco, like I think Marco.
36:44
Speaker 4: Is so vibrant and also like geological, like the geography
36:48
Speaker 4: so diverse, the elevation, the tobography, the history of all
36:51
Speaker 4: the different you know, regimes and stuff like that.
36:54
Speaker 2: That have been in Morocco. The food.
36:56
Speaker 4: But Tunisia is also really lovely, like you know, it's
36:59
Speaker 4: very Arabic. And we were there during Ramadan, which is
37:03
Speaker 4: also really special and also challenging if you guys have
37:06
Speaker 4: traveled in Muslim countries during Ramain, because everything is closed
37:10
Speaker 4: until very late at night, which can be challenging if
37:13
Speaker 4: you have.
37:14
Speaker 2: A small child. But we got it, you know, we
37:16
Speaker 2: got our rhythm down in the end. Yeah, and it
37:19
Speaker 2: was really nice.
37:19
Speaker 4: It was really refreshing, partially because I think continental Europe
37:24
Speaker 4: is a bit challenging to overland in especially in the winter,
37:28
Speaker 4: especially the way that we were kind of used to
37:30
Speaker 4: overlanding in Australia, where it's like, wow, this looks nice,
37:33
Speaker 4: we'll stop here, yes, and like we're overlanding really makes
37:37
Speaker 4: a lot of sense in terms of like we have
37:39
Speaker 4: everything we need, this is a beautiful place. We're very peaceful,
37:42
Speaker 4: like just like Europe is just so busy that it
37:46
Speaker 4: is busy Western continental Europe is so busy. And we
37:49
Speaker 4: were there in the winter, so the weather was like
37:52
Speaker 4: we were camping in the snow often or like rain caravan,
37:57
Speaker 4: like these caravan parks is legal to stop a lot
37:59
Speaker 4: of places. We had to pop the top everywhere, so
38:01
Speaker 4: like we're not stealth camping places.
38:04
Speaker 2: And then suddenly I get to Tunisia and it's just
38:06
Speaker 2: like you.
38:06
Speaker 4: And some shepherds in the middle of this field and
38:08
Speaker 4: buy a salt pan. And we teamed up with a
38:11
Speaker 4: wonderful couple from Finland that we traveled with, which was
38:14
Speaker 4: so nice and they were happy to kind of go
38:16
Speaker 4: at our speed because by then we could really only
38:18
Speaker 4: drive a couple hours.
38:19
Speaker 2: A day with Aurora and that was perfect. Tunisians love kids.
38:25
Speaker 4: That was really nice. And I also speak French, like
38:27
Speaker 4: pretty fluently. That was really great. Not everyone speaks French obviously,
38:32
Speaker 4: but it was definitely enough to really connect with folks
38:35
Speaker 4: and navigate anything we really needed to. So that was
38:39
Speaker 4: really nice. Yeah, so much history.
38:40
Speaker 2: There, so much history.
38:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. What were some standout sort of interactions or experiences
38:47
Speaker 1: with the Tunisians that you remember, appreciate and enjoy.
38:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bardo, like just culturally, like visiting the Bardow,
38:59
Speaker 4: which is one of their guess museums. We're all like
39:02
Speaker 4: basically all the mosaics from all of the ruins like
39:05
Speaker 4: Carthage and everywhere. They've like taken those mosaics out of
39:08
Speaker 4: their normal home and put them all in the same place.
39:11
Speaker 4: And that was really mind blowing seeing like some of
39:14
Speaker 4: those mosaics and rural loved it, which is funny because
39:18
Speaker 4: they were like, you know, fishies and flowers like all
39:20
Speaker 4: these things.
39:21
Speaker 2: So that was really cool.
39:24
Speaker 4: We were hosted by some people at a ranch which
39:27
Speaker 4: was really like at their personal property from the Jeep
39:30
Speaker 4: Club in Tunisia.
39:31
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was an incredible experience.
39:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was really amazing, just like a beautiful, beautiful
39:38
Speaker 4: property with like just so expansive and left like with
39:42
Speaker 4: the olives and the grapes and they had tons of
39:45
Speaker 4: like I don't know, they had like ponies and stuff
39:47
Speaker 4: on their property, and it was just.
39:49
Speaker 2: Nice to really connect with some local people.
39:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the Sahara like that was awesome. Yeah,
39:56
Speaker 4: I'd visited when I was in Morocco, but then we
39:58
Speaker 4: got to do Yeah, that was probab.
40:00
Speaker 2: One of the most memorable things was there's kind of
40:02
Speaker 2: like an.
40:02
Speaker 4: Overlanding camp down in the south kind of at the
40:05
Speaker 4: gateway of the Sahara, and so we stayed there and
40:08
Speaker 4: we met up with quite a few other people, Like
40:11
Speaker 4: it was the first time I feel like I was
40:12
Speaker 4: really amongst like like overlanders again, or the first time
40:15
Speaker 4: in a long time. Yeah, people traveling in like unimogs
40:19
Speaker 4: and buses from like all over the world. But a
40:22
Speaker 4: lot of Europeans, including some overlanding families, which was really
40:25
Speaker 4: neat to meet.
40:26
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, some.
40:27
Speaker 4: Like families who'd just finished driving through Central Asia with
40:30
Speaker 4: like their like kids, like a three and a five
40:32
Speaker 4: year old little Germans. And I also really appreciate it
40:35
Speaker 4: having the opportunity to connect with other families because we
40:37
Speaker 4: didn't meet like other travelers. But it's not very often
40:39
Speaker 4: you meet people with kids like and so that was
40:42
Speaker 4: really nice to one of the mothers like chatting with
40:45
Speaker 4: me and she was just like, oh, you must have
40:46
Speaker 4: days when you're so tired.
40:48
Speaker 2: She just like the way she looked at me was like, oh,
40:51
Speaker 2: you get it, you see me.
40:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because that's definitely one of the harder things
40:55
Speaker 4: when you're on the road is you don't have that.
40:57
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a different I think early parent
41:00
Speaker 4: can be a bit isolating, but then when you're on
41:02
Speaker 4: the road, you are literally you're a little island, right,
41:05
Speaker 4: It can be isolating without kids. And so it was
41:07
Speaker 4: really nice to like just be able to connect and
41:10
Speaker 4: kind of swap some tips, and they gave us a
41:12
Speaker 4: ro was growing out of some of her things. They
41:14
Speaker 4: gave us like a sun hat and some toys, and
41:16
Speaker 4: that was really fun. She loves she loves other kids.
41:19
Speaker 4: The day they arrived, she was like, kids, She's asking
41:21
Speaker 4: for kids. And then this mute mog pulled up with
41:23
Speaker 4: these kids in it.
41:24
Speaker 1: It was like a roar.
41:25
Speaker 2: You manifested, and you manifested the kids.
41:27
Speaker 4: So but yeah, So we spent a couple of deays
41:29
Speaker 4: with them, driving through the desert, which was really beautifully
41:32
Speaker 4: and there was like.
41:33
Speaker 2: Six of us, six vehicles and fun, Yeah, having like
41:36
Speaker 2: a big bonfire with everyone at night and.
41:38
Speaker 4: Just yeah, just hanging out, like playing in the dunes,
41:41
Speaker 4: and a lot of the vehicles like went and like
41:45
Speaker 4: played in the dunes one evening and I just I
41:48
Speaker 4: just hung out and.
41:49
Speaker 2: Played with kids, which is also great and beautiful.
41:52
Speaker 1: It's so important to have those moments of connection because
41:55
Speaker 1: you're right, you are an island a lot of the time,
41:59
Speaker 1: and you're in this little pod. Yeah, and it's you
42:04
Speaker 1: and waving or speaking with some shepherds from time to
42:07
Speaker 1: time sometimes, and then to be able to come together
42:10
Speaker 1: like that, and especially like you were talking about, connecting
42:13
Speaker 1: with other moms on the road is super important and
42:16
Speaker 1: feeling supported and scene. Yeah you're like, yeah, I'm tired,
42:23
Speaker 1: you know, you know the depth of my tired.
42:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the real thing. It's a real depth. Yeah.
42:30
Speaker 1: Nice. Oh that's so great, wonderful stuff. Uh, Tunisia. When
42:36
Speaker 1: you were done there, then what was next?
42:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was kind of the end of our trip.
42:42
Speaker 4: We surprised some friends in Switzerland for their fortieth birthday,
42:45
Speaker 4: which is really great.
42:46
Speaker 2: And then yeah, we and.
42:48
Speaker 4: I flew home and Dan shipped back, so that was
42:52
Speaker 4: kind of Yeah, that was kind of it.
42:54
Speaker 1: And you had a specific amount of time off.
42:57
Speaker 4: Right, So we're gone for almost exactly a year, so
43:00
Speaker 4: we we had to come back. We ranted out our
43:02
Speaker 4: house like uh so we yeah, we knew there was
43:05
Speaker 4: an end date at the end, and we had to
43:07
Speaker 4: line everything up. You know, vehicle shipping is always more
43:09
Speaker 4: complicated than you think it's gonna be, right, Yeah, so
43:13
Speaker 4: that was part of it.
43:14
Speaker 2: But it was great.
43:15
Speaker 4: It was an awesome trip and it was really nice
43:17
Speaker 4: to get like all the different contrasts and yeah, we
43:21
Speaker 4: spent a little bit of time like in Sardinia and
43:23
Speaker 4: Italy also like on the way down and the way back,
43:25
Speaker 4: and that was also wonderful.
43:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:28
Speaker 4: The I'd like had never been to Italy before, and
43:30
Speaker 4: I was like I don't understand, Like people go to
43:32
Speaker 4: Italy and they're like a tomato changed my life.
43:34
Speaker 2: And then I went and I was like, these tomatoes
43:37
Speaker 2: are changing my life. So that was also great.
43:40
Speaker 4: It was like Italian's also in our experience, like they
43:43
Speaker 4: really really loved kids, Like they loved Aurora. They would
43:46
Speaker 4: like whisk her away to the kitchen or like just
43:49
Speaker 4: hold her the whole time. Dan and I would be
43:50
Speaker 4: eating at a restaurant and we would just she would
43:53
Speaker 4: just be like with the waitress or something the whole time,
43:55
Speaker 4: which was awesome. Like, yeah, so we really appreciated those
43:59
Speaker 4: kind of breaks in our long trip.
44:01
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Yeah, I'm curious about, like, what were the changes
44:07
Speaker 1: or in Aurora that you saw during that time, because
44:10
Speaker 1: I'm sure that obviously she's growing and going from a
44:14
Speaker 1: really young little wee baby to almost a year later. Yeah,
44:20
Speaker 1: as a result of this experience.
44:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's so hard because it's like one life
44:25
Speaker 4: was no life, you know, in terms of like what
44:28
Speaker 4: was the trip and what was sure. But she did
44:30
Speaker 4: say like she could say thank you or goodbye, and
44:32
Speaker 4: like six languages by the end of the trip, which
44:34
Speaker 4: is pretty fun. Like she was saying like shock gum
44:37
Speaker 4: in like Arabic which means thank you, and yeah, just
44:42
Speaker 4: like I'm also in Italian and Spanish and French and
44:46
Speaker 4: a little like in Iceland she got whatever it is
44:49
Speaker 4: by bye, I think they say or hey hey.
44:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was really cool.
44:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's really outgoing, super curious, like really independent.
44:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure probably she's always so excited to
45:03
Speaker 2: be like where are we now?
45:04
Speaker 4: Like even this is a really tiny baby, so yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
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Speaker 4: It's also crazy, just like how little we had for her,
46:14
Speaker 4: Like we had one little box of toys, like with
46:17
Speaker 4: like some blocks and a couple of books that got
46:20
Speaker 4: so ready and torn up. But yeah, you really don't
46:24
Speaker 4: need a lot because like every day or somewhere new
46:27
Speaker 4: and kids find something new.
46:29
Speaker 2: To play with every day, right, Like, oh yeah, she was.
46:31
Speaker 4: Like picking up dates when we were in Tunisia and
46:33
Speaker 4: like sea glass or whatever.
46:36
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was, you know, sometimes a bit sketchy because.
46:39
Speaker 4: You're like, where are we today? As a parent, like
46:42
Speaker 4: what are you going to find on the ground? But yeah,
46:45
Speaker 4: you're very present, so that's good.
46:48
Speaker 1: And then what about you, Like what did you feel
46:50
Speaker 1: did you feel like you came back with some learnings
46:52
Speaker 1: from all of those experiences? I know it can be
46:55
Speaker 1: hard to have like a tangible thing because you never
47:01
Speaker 1: come back in the same way. You're always I always
47:04
Speaker 1: feel like this when we're leaving. I'm like, oh my gosh,
47:05
Speaker 1: when we get back, I'm gonna be a different person.
47:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the same, Yeah totally.
47:11
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess any insights or lessons learned, Yeah,
47:15
Speaker 1: I think.
47:17
Speaker 4: Probably two big the biggest things. I think it kind
47:21
Speaker 4: of maybe made us more relaxed as parents. Mmmm, because
47:25
Speaker 4: I kind of just see the contrast with them of
47:27
Speaker 4: my friends who spent that time here, which is like
47:30
Speaker 4: not like that's what most people do. It's really nice,
47:33
Speaker 4: Like I'm there are lots of beautiful things about staying
47:36
Speaker 4: here too, But because we were our own little island,
47:38
Speaker 4: like I did feel like we survived with like not much.
47:41
Speaker 4: You know, she didn't have a special snow or like
47:45
Speaker 4: special baby. We didn't even have a stroller other than
47:47
Speaker 4: the communo for a lot of our trip. Like so
47:50
Speaker 4: I think that someone said, like really earlier on they
47:53
Speaker 4: were like, you are your baby's most important thing, which
47:55
Speaker 4: is true, like that like they need us and that's
47:58
Speaker 4: what they that's really like the most important things that
48:01
Speaker 4: we're present and traveling like that, excuse me, forces you
48:04
Speaker 4: to be so present, like so hyper present, and so yeah,
48:08
Speaker 4: coming back that was just really liberating, like not to
48:11
Speaker 4: have to and all those opinions, Like I think it
48:14
Speaker 4: can be a really vulnerable time for a lot of
48:15
Speaker 4: people in terms of like other people's opinions about how
48:19
Speaker 4: you should be parenting and what you should have and
48:21
Speaker 4: how you should be doing it in the milestone and whatever.
48:23
Speaker 4: But we were just so switched off from that because
48:25
Speaker 4: we were our own little unit and that was like
48:27
Speaker 4: so grounding and so like that was amazing. So yeah,
48:32
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was like a learning but
48:33
Speaker 4: I think I appreciate it a lot more once I
48:35
Speaker 4: came back, for sure, and we.
48:37
Speaker 2: Always say this, but I think it's true too.
48:39
Speaker 4: We were like so happy to go, but also so
48:41
Speaker 4: happy to come home, right because for Aura, like she
48:45
Speaker 4: definitely was just at this stage like eighteen months people
48:48
Speaker 4: said that would happen, but like she wanted to be
48:51
Speaker 4: way more independent. She was like ready to have more toys,
48:53
Speaker 4: wants to be walking everywhere, does not want to be
48:55
Speaker 4: in a car seat anymore.
48:57
Speaker 2: And we have a great community here and a lot
48:59
Speaker 2: of great reason.
49:00
Speaker 4: And we came back at the beginning of summer, which
49:02
Speaker 4: was like beautiful and luscious and just so that was
49:05
Speaker 4: also really nice to come home and be like, Okay,
49:07
Speaker 4: like we appreciate it not having all of this, we
49:10
Speaker 4: also really appreciate having all of this and being part
49:12
Speaker 4: of that community and having all those friends and people
49:15
Speaker 4: and beautiful outdoor spaces for where to enjoy that are
49:17
Speaker 4: like consistent. So yeah, I think those are kind of
49:20
Speaker 4: the biggest things for us from that trip.
49:23
Speaker 2: That was really, yeah, really nice.
49:27
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying about coming home too, because
49:30
Speaker 1: coming home can be such a weird thing because you're
49:33
Speaker 1: kind of like, WHOA, this is a bit jarring sometimes
49:36
Speaker 1: or you're trying to sort of like process the things
49:39
Speaker 1: that you've seen and done. But it's so wonderful to
49:43
Speaker 1: come back to a place where you feel that community
49:47
Speaker 1: and you feel supported and it's familiar and you're happy
49:49
Speaker 1: to be at home and you're like I had a
49:51
Speaker 1: really good time, but I'm ready for this next chapter
49:53
Speaker 1: at home, whatever that will be.
49:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And I think like, yeah, I think too,
50:01
Speaker 4: like people seeing us as a family, like they appreciated that,
50:03
Speaker 4: like we were a family, and like a family exists
50:06
Speaker 4: in this Yeah, it's just like our narrative, the narrative we.
50:10
Speaker 2: Have about like existing in community. Like it was nice
50:12
Speaker 2: to like.
50:13
Speaker 4: Come back to it and like give back to it
50:15
Speaker 4: and be like, oh yeah, this is kind of like
50:18
Speaker 4: our home, like and it's where we're going to recharge
50:20
Speaker 4: and also like give give back to you hopefully.
50:22
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because.
50:23
Speaker 4: There's so many people that like contribute to a community happening,
50:26
Speaker 4: it's like nice to like, yeah, cross pollinate for sure.
50:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:31
Speaker 1: Do you remember any moments when you got home where
50:34
Speaker 1: you were like whoa coming back with different glasses on,
50:37
Speaker 1: or things that maybe were have always been here or
50:42
Speaker 1: you've done in certain ways, but then you came back
50:44
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, whoa, I forgot about this, or
50:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the grocery stores are so boundiful here,
50:50
Speaker 1: or the food's expensive here, or I don't know, the
50:54
Speaker 1: mountains are bigger than I remember, or you know, it's
50:56
Speaker 1: nice to speak with my friends and have a coffee
51:00
Speaker 1: you know.
51:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, things like that.
51:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, I mean all those things. That'sn't exactly no, no, no,
51:07
Speaker 4: I think one thing.
51:08
Speaker 2: Always coming home is just the space in Canada, like
51:12
Speaker 2: the vastness. And I mean again, Australia is also fast,
51:14
Speaker 2: but like.
51:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like going to the Alps in Switzerland and
51:20
Speaker 4: it's so.
51:21
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so beautiful.
51:22
Speaker 4: It's like a story brook but a story book, but
51:26
Speaker 4: it is also so developed.
51:27
Speaker 2: Like we're eating at.
51:28
Speaker 4: A restaurant that's like nicer than any restaurant we have
51:31
Speaker 4: in town. Like there's you know, the app ray, there's
51:34
Speaker 4: like whatever, Like it's just and the same thing even
51:38
Speaker 4: in Tunisia, like you're yeah, sure you're in the Sahara,
51:41
Speaker 4: but like there are desert camps.
51:42
Speaker 2: There's like hundreds of camels.
51:44
Speaker 4: That are like actually all domesticated, which was also very
51:47
Speaker 4: surprising to me, right, Like they're just yeah.
51:50
Speaker 2: So it's I think appreciating how big.
51:53
Speaker 4: Cand is and how sparsely populated it is, and how
51:57
Speaker 4: like weezeourus rich it is. I'm always kind of shocked
52:01
Speaker 4: and grateful for. Yeah, especially island has no trees, which
52:05
Speaker 4: is also very weird.
52:06
Speaker 2: Like that was another big thing. We camped in like
52:08
Speaker 2: a plantation one night, and both then there.
52:11
Speaker 4: Were like, oh, do you just feel more relaxed right now,
52:13
Speaker 4: and it's like, yeah, it's the trees, Like we've not
52:15
Speaker 4: seen trees in months, and then all of a sudden
52:18
Speaker 4: you're like surrounded by trees and.
52:19
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I feel at home.
52:21
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think those things. Yeah, I don't know
52:27
Speaker 4: what's next for you guys.
52:30
Speaker 2: Great question.
52:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, great question.
52:39
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's great. Yeah you don't have
52:43
Speaker 1: to know.
52:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. Sorry, this is getting back to your
52:47
Speaker 4: other question too. Make sure the other thing that was
52:49
Speaker 4: confronting too for me is at the end, I also
52:51
Speaker 4: had to go back to work, which is right heart,
52:56
Speaker 4: and like you know, in this trip, I obviously have
52:59
Speaker 4: a role to play with them and the road shows
53:01
Speaker 4: me and like filming and content and all that stuff,
53:03
Speaker 4: but like primarily I've got to be a parent and
53:05
Speaker 4: a partner, like very full time for that whole trip,
53:08
Speaker 4: and I did lots of logistics and whatever else, but
53:10
Speaker 4: like that was really nice. And then suddenly to come
53:13
Speaker 4: home and feel this divided attention all the time.
53:16
Speaker 2: And I think especially.
53:17
Speaker 4: Traveling, right, you get to be so present not all day,
53:20
Speaker 4: but like a lot of the day.
53:22
Speaker 2: You get to have presents, whereas I think, yeah, now
53:25
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I've got.
53:26
Speaker 4: Work, and we've got daycare, and we've got friends, like
53:29
Speaker 4: social stuff, we've got family stuff, we've got time, you know,
53:32
Speaker 4: time differences with our families also and like all kinds
53:35
Speaker 4: of different obligations in the community.
53:37
Speaker 2: Which is which is great.
53:38
Speaker 4: We love community, but also like it's a lot, it's
53:41
Speaker 4: a lot, It's a lot. So yeah, definitely felt that
53:45
Speaker 4: like transition energetically to coming home and just being like
53:48
Speaker 4: what does balance even look like anymore?
53:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that was a lot. Yeah, And so what's nice?
53:54
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we're really happy being here
53:57
Speaker 2: right now, like for the.
53:58
Speaker 4: Like immediate like next three months, let's or whatever you know,
54:02
Speaker 4: for We're appreciating it. I think Aurora's really thriving, having
54:06
Speaker 4: like some routine and just like she's just growing and
54:09
Speaker 4: developing so much, and that's really nice and nice to support.
54:12
Speaker 2: We still have so.
54:13
Speaker 4: Much content to unpack and digest from our trip also,
54:18
Speaker 4: so I think that that's really good and to save
54:20
Speaker 4: up a little bit for our next trip, and we'll
54:22
Speaker 4: probably try out a few shorter trips maybe like on
54:27
Speaker 4: this content and then yeah.
54:28
Speaker 2: Who knows, I love that.
54:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, well see me. Yeah, And in the meantime, like
54:33
Speaker 1: you guys went on some amazing paddling adventures up in
54:37
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, yeah, that was awesome.
54:39
Speaker 4: That was like an eight day canoon trip with Aurora,
54:42
Speaker 4: like right around when she was like one and a half.
54:45
Speaker 2: That was awesome. That was great.
54:47
Speaker 4: We're definitely gonna try to do some paddling and some
54:49
Speaker 4: hiking this summer and yeah, maybe get up to higha
54:52
Speaker 4: Guai who knows, Yeah, that would be cool. But yeah,
54:55
Speaker 4: there's so much great stuff to do very close to home,
54:58
Speaker 4: and so it's nice to kind of fill some of
55:01
Speaker 4: our schedule up with just like those opportunities. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
55:06
Speaker 4: we've got to take advantage of where we live.
55:07
Speaker 2: That's where we live here, So yeah, good point.
55:12
Speaker 1: I would like to know what some of your favorite
55:14
Speaker 1: books are.
55:15
Speaker 2: Oh, great question.
55:20
Speaker 4: One of the ones that's just coming to mind right now.
55:23
Speaker 4: I don't know it is the Top of Mind. Maybe
55:25
Speaker 4: it's called Orbital.
55:27
Speaker 2: I'm not going to run the author, but whatever.
55:30
Speaker 4: I think it won the book or last year, and
55:32
Speaker 4: it's great. It's it's fictional, but it's set in the
55:34
Speaker 4: space station and so every chapter is one of the
55:37
Speaker 4: rotations of Earth, and there's all these like really dreamy
55:41
Speaker 4: descriptions of like looking at Earth from space woos with anyway,
55:46
Speaker 4: interspersed with life on Earth from all the astronauts who
55:49
Speaker 4: all have different backgrounds, and so oh neat that was
55:51
Speaker 4: really beautiful and a nice.
55:53
Speaker 2: Way of like thinking about the whole Earth. Yeah, we
55:57
Speaker 2: were on the communo, I think.
55:59
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I've always liked In the Shadow of the Sun.
56:02
Speaker 4: I think it is called which is a collection of
56:05
Speaker 4: essays by a Polish author who or Polish journalist who
56:09
Speaker 4: lives in Africa from like the late nineteen fifties, I
56:13
Speaker 4: want to say, like until recently. So he has like
56:16
Speaker 4: you know, so many coooty tas and like independences and everything,
56:20
Speaker 4: and he has a collection of his published and un Polish. Well,
56:23
Speaker 4: you know, never been published before essays in that book
56:26
Speaker 4: and I remember reading that when I was in Malli
56:28
Speaker 4: and like loving it. Yeah, just do something about like
56:33
Speaker 4: deeper appreciation where you are, like from learning about the
56:36
Speaker 4: history and heritage. Yeah, those ones come to mind off
56:39
Speaker 4: the top of my head.
56:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, where can
56:46
Speaker 1: we find you online?
56:49
Speaker 4: You can find me at the road chisne like to subscribe? Yeah,
56:55
Speaker 4: I'm I'm often the one driving and a lot of
56:58
Speaker 4: the photos probably listening to Siler now, but.
57:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am there.
57:04
Speaker 4: And I also I have an Instagram called Shade Sparrow
57:07
Speaker 4: which I occasionally post.
57:08
Speaker 2: You not very often, but yeah, you can find me
57:11
Speaker 2: there too.
57:12
Speaker 1: Very good. And also an Overland journal because you co
57:17
Speaker 1: authored and also written articles. Yeah, and some photography credits
57:22
Speaker 1: in there. And yeah you're a woman of all trades. Yeah,
57:26
Speaker 1: many talents, publications.
57:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always forget about that. My other world
57:31
Speaker 2: is my other life.
57:32
Speaker 1: Yeah cool. Well, thank you so much for joining me.
57:38
Speaker 2: Such a pleasure podcast.
57:39
Speaker 1: I so appreciate it. And yeah, we'll be following along
57:43
Speaker 1: with you and Dan and that wait to see what
57:47
Speaker 1: your next adventure is wherever.
57:49
Speaker 2: That may be.
57:50
Speaker 1: Meeting here or there or anywhere. So yeah, thanks for
57:53
Speaker 1: taking the time to come chat with me.
57:55
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
57:57
Speaker 1: Yay, thank you for tuning in to this episode of
58:00
Speaker 1: the Overland Journal podcast. It's been great.
58:03
Speaker 2: Hope to see you next time and hope you enjoyed
58:05
Speaker 2: the episode.