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"You can run but you can’t Hyde.” (LIVE from Chicago) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Chicago?
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, y'all? I'm Brittany Packnett.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy DeSort.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 6: Later in the show, we'll talk to a Democratic candidate
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  Speaker 6: running to represent Illinois' 3rd District, Marie Newman.
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  Speaker 1: But first, we have some news.
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  Speaker 7: And before we dive into the other stuff, I wanted
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  Speaker 7: to do something that we do when we do live
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  Speaker 7: shows on Pod Save the People Now. I want to
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  Speaker 7: acknowledge the land that we're sitting on, this country, as
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  Speaker 7: you hopefully know. was home to indigenous people and still is.
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  Speaker 7: And so where we are located right now is Peoria
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  Speaker 7: and Miami land. And I want to acknowledge the indigenous
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  Speaker 7: land that we're on and hope that you are listening
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  Speaker 7: to the new show, This Land, on Crooked Media.
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  Speaker 3: It talks all about indigenous issues. Also, my dad is
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  Speaker 3: from Chicago.
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  Speaker 8: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The south side of Chicago, like 58.
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  Speaker 1: Hey!
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Like 58% of the black people I know are from
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  Speaker 7: the south side of Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: Another third are like from Atlanta. So it's good to
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  Speaker 3: be back.
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  Speaker 1: Love Chicago. Miss Chicago. All right, let's talk about some news.
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  Speaker 6: So next month will mark a record-breaking 10 years for
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  Speaker 6: the economic expansion that began under President Barack Obama in 2009.
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  Speaker 6: And yet, there are new signs that Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 6: trying his hardest to fuck it up. So right as
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  Speaker 6: he's threatening tariffs of up to 25% on Mexico and China,
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  Speaker 6: we learned this week that business investment is slowing, manufacturing
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  Speaker 6: indicators have dropped to their lowest level in two and
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  Speaker 6: a half years, and the ADP report said that the
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  Speaker 6: economy only added 27,000 jobs last month, which is the
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  Speaker 6: fewest since 2010. Brittany, obviously Trump has taken plenty of
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  Speaker 6: credit for the relatively healthy economy up until now. How
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  Speaker 6: much credit does he actually deserve, and how much responsibility
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  Speaker 6: does he bear to if this thing goes south?
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  Speaker 3: I think we should all know the answer to this.
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  Speaker 3: He deserves zero credit.
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  Speaker 7: But has a lot of responsibility, and let's be really clear,
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  Speaker 7: like he has made it so obvious who he's in
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  Speaker 7: this for. So I was doing a little bit of research,
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  Speaker 7: because my question was like, how did Donald Trump fare
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  Speaker 7: the last time the economy started to go south? Because
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  Speaker 7: now we know that a lot of business leaders across
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  Speaker 7: the country are saying that they predict another recession to
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  Speaker 7: come because of these trade and tariff wars that this
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  Speaker 7: Super smart guy who occupies the Oval Office is doing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the business leader said that there's now up to
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  Speaker 6: a 60% chance of recession by the end of 2020,
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  Speaker 6: according to him.
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  Speaker 3: Which is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something to look forward to.
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  Speaker 3: So exciting.
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  Speaker 7: So that made me wonder how he fared in the
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  Speaker 7: last recession. Apparently in 2006, two years before that recession hit,
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  Speaker 7: he said, and I quote, about the bursting of the
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  Speaker 7: real estate bubble. I kind of hope it happens. Then
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  Speaker 7: people like me will go buy.
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  Speaker 3: Them all up. So he clearly is only out for
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  Speaker 3: self right now.
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  Speaker 7: The people that are suffering are all of the people
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  Speaker 7: that he promised to make America great again for.
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  Speaker 3: So we should give him all of.
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  Speaker 7: The responsibility for this thing going south because clearly this
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  Speaker 7: is the direction that he's intentionally sending things.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's deeply unfair. Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 8: In just 27 months in office has produced 100 months
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  Speaker 8: of job growth.
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  Speaker 3: All of it at Mar-a-Lago.
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  Speaker 4: Very hard to do. So, shame on us.
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  Speaker 6: So, Trump's trade war and trade taxes are causing some
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  Speaker 6: of the most harm to people in states where he
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  Speaker 6: needs to win in 2020, namely consumers, farmers, and auto
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  Speaker 6: workers in the Midwest. Michigan would be the state most
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  Speaker 6: hurt by the tariffs on Mexico because of the auto industry.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Michigan's never played a role in a presidential election.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, people usually skip right over that. How much energy, Dan,
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  Speaker 6: should Democrats spend making that argument and reaching out to
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  Speaker 6: those voters even if they have voted for Trump in
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  Speaker 6: the past? More?
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  Speaker 9: Some? Lots?
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  Speaker 1: Any.
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  Speaker 4: The answer is any.
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  Speaker 9: The answer is any. I mean, like some Democrats are
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  Speaker 9: making this argument, both in Congress on the campaign trail,
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  Speaker 9: but I think in general, trade represents a huge political
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  Speaker 9: opportunity for Democrats, which is it allows you to make
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  Speaker 9: two arguments about Trump that I think are very persuasive.
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  Speaker 9: One is the cost of the chaos and incompetence of
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  Speaker 9: the Trump presidency, which.
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  Speaker 1: He has started.
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  Speaker 9: Two trade wars, essentially out of a temper tantrum. He
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  Speaker 9: has no path to get out. And Americans are essentially
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  Speaker 9: getting a tax hike every time they go to the store.
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  Speaker 9: And people are losing their jobs, right? He's found a
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  Speaker 9: way to make beer more expensive by fighting with China.
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  Speaker 9: And the second argument....
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  Speaker 1: That's going to do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the final straw.
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  Speaker 9: And the second point is that Donald Trump is full
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  Speaker 9: of shit. and that he ran as a hardcore anti-trade populist.
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  Speaker 9: He talked about eliminating NAFTA, getting us out of NAFTA. Well,
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  Speaker 9: he did that, and then he immediately negotiated a NAFTA
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  Speaker 9: remake that hurts workers at the expense of corporations. And
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  Speaker 9: this is the thing that Democrats aren't talking about enough,
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  Speaker 9: which is every presidential candidate should be talking about how
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  Speaker 9: Trump's new NAFTA is bad for American workers, particularly in
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  Speaker 9: three states I'd randomly pick, like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 9: And so every Democrat and president should talk about that.
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  Speaker 9: If and when Trump ever submits new NAFTA, which he's
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  Speaker 9: trying to rebrand to something that comes up to UNSA,
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  Speaker 9: then Nancy Pelosi should bring it up, the Democrats should
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  Speaker 9: have a week of hearings on it, and then they
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  Speaker 9: should vote it the fuck down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. How gettable are some of these voters?
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  Speaker 6: Because I know after 2016, study after study showed that
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  Speaker 6: racial resentment drove a lot of the vote towards Trump,
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  Speaker 6: especially with some of these.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they called that economic anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 6: And I feel like some of it's been conflated because
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  Speaker 6: obviously racial resentment from these studies drove the bulk of it,
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  Speaker 6: but clearly we know from 2018 that that there were
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  Speaker 6: a significant number of people who voted for Donald Trump
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  Speaker 6: in 2016, who had voted for Barack Obama in 12,
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  Speaker 6: and then returned to the Democratic fold in 2018. You know,
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  Speaker 6: can we count on these voters in 2020?
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  Speaker 1: Do we have to make an argument? What's driving their concern?
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  Speaker 1: Is it economic? What do we think about that?
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  Speaker 9: Well, the math, like, you know you're not going to
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  Speaker 9: get all of them, or even most of them. But
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  Speaker 9: if you got 20,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin...
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  Speaker 9: and then you added another 20,000 Democratic base voters who
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  Speaker 9: sat out the 2016 election, you would have the next
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  Speaker 9: president of the United States, and that person would be
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  Speaker 9: a Democrat.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that hard.
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  Speaker 6: So, Tommy, on the tariff issue, Republicans in Congress, particularly
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  Speaker 6: Republican senators, say they're finally going to stand up to Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Over these tariffs. Should we hold our breath or no?
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Is this threat real? You know, why are they choosing
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  Speaker 6: this issue? And actually, more specifically, these tariffs to pick
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  Speaker 6: a fight on, because they were mainly silent on the
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  Speaker 6: trade war with China. But for some reason, the Mexico
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  Speaker 6: tariffs are really getting them going here.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I saw the reports that you did
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  Speaker 10: that they were hopping mad in a closed door caucus meeting. And,
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  Speaker 10: you know, Ted Cruz came out beating his chest and said,
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  Speaker 10: how dare you do this to Texas? Like, whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 10: do something and we'll believe you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think.
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  Speaker 10: The tariffs on Chinese goods, I think, increase the prices
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  Speaker 10: of consumer goods for a lot of people, and that's
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  Speaker 10: particularly bad if you're a low-income person, if you're poor,
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  Speaker 10: because it's a greater proportion of your total income. But
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  Speaker 10: I think that these tariffs on goods coming in from
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  Speaker 10: Mexico are hurting businesses.
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  Speaker 1: They're hurting auto manufacturers.
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  Speaker 10: They're hurting companies that put together refrigerators. So I think
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  Speaker 10: in this instance... Republicans are hearing from CEOs. They're hearing
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  Speaker 10: from the Chamber of Commerce. They're hearing from people that
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  Speaker 10: cut them massive campaign checks, which is why their ears
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  Speaker 10: are perking up, and they're paying attention, and they're listening,
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  Speaker 10: and they're suddenly upset about tariffs again. I mean, specifically,
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  Speaker 10: they'll really hurt Texas, Michigan, Ohio, California.
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  Speaker 1: Illinois, too. Illinois as well. Sorry, I didn't mean to
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  Speaker 1: leave you guys out.
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  Speaker 10: I was going to say only states Trump cared about,
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  Speaker 10: but then I threw in California because, you know, 40,
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  Speaker 10: 50 million people. So, you know, it makes sense that
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  Speaker 10: some of the representatives from those states would finally speak out.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, the last news I saw before we came
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  Speaker 10: out here was that the Mexican government said they might
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  Speaker 10: put 6,000 or so of their National Guard troops on
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  Speaker 10: the border, which would give Trump a way to call
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  Speaker 10: it a win and not implement tariffs. We'll see what happens,
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  Speaker 10: but I mean, I think that's more of a likely
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  Speaker 10: outcome than Congress actually standing up to him.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Levitt?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I just think it's amazing.
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  Speaker 8: Uh, You know, they were pretty quiet when he put
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  Speaker 8: kids in cages, and I just think it's shocking to
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  Speaker 8: learn that all we needed to do to get them
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  Speaker 8: to pay attention is put some transmissions in there.
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  Speaker 11: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Did.
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  Speaker 4: Someone say Malort?
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  Speaker 5: Laughter No tariffs on that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, where is that from, actually?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 4: What is Malort?
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  Speaker 8: Malort is the aroma and full-bodied flavor of an unusual botanical.
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  Speaker 8: Its bitter taste is savored by two-fisted drinkers. It used
• 10:51
  Speaker 8: to be made in Chicago. Now it is produced primarily
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  Speaker 8: in hell. But because Trump plans to go there, he's
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  Speaker 8: not willing to put a tariff on it.
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  Speaker 1: Hey-o. Here, all right. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just do a little bit. Take one off the top.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? I'm so sad my cup is already full.
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  Speaker 4: I brought cups.
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  Speaker 1: I brought cups.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 4: I'll just use the bottle. It's... It's worse than I imagined.
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  Speaker 1: And I was imagining something quite bad.
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  Speaker 4: We had Peter Sagal on this stage.
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  Speaker 8: He said I was a doofus for liking it, that
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  Speaker 8: I was falling for a tourist trap.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what I say about traps? Sometimes it's
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  Speaker 4: fun to fall right in.
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  Speaker 3: It smells like rubbing alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: It does. It tastes like it, too. Not that I've
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  Speaker 1: had that.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of falling into traps, let's talk about the Democrats.
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  Speaker 6: So the Trump campaign has said that they're going to
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  Speaker 6: go after some Democratic candidates on this issue, namely Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 6: for being free-trading globalists who supported trade agreements like NAFTA
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  Speaker 6: and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which Obama negotiated and Trump abandoned. Brittany,
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  Speaker 6: how politically damaging is this argument, and how do you
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  Speaker 6: think Democrats in general should sort of respond to Trump
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  Speaker 6: calling them all free-trading globalists who don't care about the
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  Speaker 6: American worker.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it is potentially damaging, and we shouldn't underestimate
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  Speaker 7: the potential effect of this.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the response, right?
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  Speaker 7: The response is that economists predict that these trade temper tantrums,
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  Speaker 7: I think that you should trademark that because that's quality.
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  Speaker 7: These temper tantrums and clearly xenophobic efforts are going to
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  Speaker 7: cost American households at least $ 900, right?
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  Speaker 3: Which is a lot of money.
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  Speaker 7: Especially when you think about the fact that this administration
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  Speaker 7: also wants to cut $ 220 billion in SNAP benefits, which
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  Speaker 7: we all know as food stamps, over 10 years, that
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  Speaker 7: this will cost up to 400,000 jobs across the country,
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  Speaker 7: and that we are paying double and triple time when
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  Speaker 7: we think about the fact that the costs of this
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  Speaker 7: trade will be passed back on to American consumers, that
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  Speaker 7: the bailout that farmers are getting because of a fight
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  Speaker 7: that Trump started and now wants to get credit for
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  Speaker 7: fixing is costing taxpayers another $ 20 billion, and then on
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  Speaker 7: top of it, because of a buyback program for surplus
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  Speaker 7: that farmers have when they can't trade and export to
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  Speaker 7: other countries, that we're actually going to be paying some
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  Speaker 7: of those billions of dollars to foreign countries. What Democrats
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  Speaker 7: have to say is the things that he promised you
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  Speaker 7: are not coming true, and they will never come true
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  Speaker 7: under this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Period.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that.
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  Speaker 10: I hope they try to make this argument, and I'm
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  Speaker 10: It's interesting that they're leaking this to everyone who will
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  Speaker 10: listen because, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, Trump has not stood up to China.
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  Speaker 10: He has flailed around like a child, issued threats, thrown
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  Speaker 10: tariffs on goods, and gotten absolutely nothing accomplished.
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  Speaker 1: And they're not even talking about.
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  Speaker 10: The core issues that are really a problem with the relationship,
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  Speaker 10: like Chinese companies or the Chinese intelligence services stealing intellectual
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  Speaker 10: property or technology from the United States.
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  Speaker 4: Those issues aren't on the table.
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  Speaker 10: Because we're fighting about like soybean prices and other sort
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  Speaker 10: of extraneous shit. So I would go right at him.
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  Speaker 10: I would say you've failed to win these negotiations. You've
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  Speaker 10: alienated all of our allies. And if you're worried about
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  Speaker 10: American competitiveness vis-a-vis China, invest in schools, invest in infrastructure.
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  Speaker 10: Do all the things we need to do here to
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  Speaker 10: build a stronger country. But right now, you're just being
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  Speaker 10: an asshole.
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  Speaker 6: Brittany, you mentioned something. So Trump starts this trade war.
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  Speaker 6: It hurts American farmers. And then he says, okay, because
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  Speaker 6: it hurt American farmers, and these are a lot of
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  Speaker 6: the people who voted for me, we're gonna have this
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  Speaker 6: American taxpayer-funded bailout to help the farmers that were hurt
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  Speaker 6: by my trade war.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, that's pretty stupid, but fine, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna help them.
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  Speaker 6: Except tens of millions of dollars from this bailout fund
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  Speaker 6: is going to foreign companies, including $ 60 million has gone
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  Speaker 6: to a couple Brazilian pork producers who have been found corrupt.
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: So corrupt Brazilian pork producers are getting American tax dollars
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  Speaker 6: that's supposed to be going to the farmers that Trump
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  Speaker 6: hurt with his trade war. If a Democrat can't make
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  Speaker 6: that argument, give up.
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  Speaker 9: But there's a whole other part about this. The money
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  Speaker 9: that he is giving to these corrupt Brazilian pork producers,
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  Speaker 9: he's borrowing from China.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be like my.
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  Speaker 6: I just want someone to yell about the Brazilian pork
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  Speaker 6: producers that's running for president right now.
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  Speaker 1: You are.
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  Speaker 4: This Brazilian pork, it has stuck with you.
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  Speaker 6: It's like the Romney dog on the car thing from 2012.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: He's got the American agriculture in a little crate on
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  Speaker 8: top of his car.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Perfect metaphor.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 6: One example of a potential Democratic response to Trump on
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  Speaker 6: this came from Elizabeth Warren, who this week released what
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  Speaker 6: she's calling... There's some Warren fans in here.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to the ladies.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Warren's dropping it.
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  Speaker 6: Who released this week what she's calling a plan for
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  Speaker 6: economic patriotism which she says is all about, quote, using
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  Speaker 6: the tools we have to boost American workers and American
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  Speaker 6: industries so they have the best opportunity to compete internationally.
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  Speaker 6: While those tools can include certain things like tariffs, our
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  Speaker 6: principal goal should be investing in American workers rather than
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  Speaker 6: diminishing our competitors. Warren's plan even got some praise from
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  Speaker 6: Tucker Carlson.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: He read parts of it.
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  Speaker 1: Verbatim on the air and said, isn't this a great idea?
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  Speaker 1: It's a trap. It's a trap.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a trap, sir.
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  Speaker 4: It's a trap. It's a trap. That Death Star is
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  Speaker 4: fully operational.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, is it a trap?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 9: Obviously, because it's Elizabeth Warren's, it's a very good plan.
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  Speaker 4: It's detailed.
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  Speaker 9: She obviously beats everyone to the punch to come out
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  Speaker 9: with one. Democrats have been running on economic patriotism for decades.
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  Speaker 9: 20 years now.
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  Speaker 1: Wrote a lot of speeches about that in the Obama
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  Speaker 1: White House.
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  Speaker 9: And it is particularly relevant against Trump because generally Republicans
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  Speaker 9: in the pre-Trump era have run on free trade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: But Trump is trying to steal populism from Democrats. And
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  Speaker 9: so it is always helpful to have a plan because...
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: Plan beats no plan, right? So if we don't have
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  Speaker 9: a specific approach to dealing with the legitimate issues around
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  Speaker 9: the people who are hurt by trade.
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  Speaker 4: Then we are going to lose out to Trump's demagoguery.
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  Speaker 9: So I hope that other candidates follow in Elizabeth Warren's
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  Speaker 9: footsteps and put forward how they can thread the needle
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  Speaker 9: between the fact that we have a world in which
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  Speaker 9: trade must exist. We buy products that are made overseas.
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  Speaker 9: We want to ship our products overseas. But how can
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  Speaker 9: we find ways to minimize the impacts on that, on
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  Speaker 9: American workers, and prepare those American workers to thrive in
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  Speaker 9: this new economy?
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Lovett, last word on this?
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's... It is really important. It is worth.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: Jokes aside about Tucker Carlson, there's a reason he's praising it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: You know, Tucker Carlson is someone worth watching only because
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: he is.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Not his show.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: Not his show. I mean, it's one way to find him.
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: But he is outlining a smarter, more sophisticated, and ultimately
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: dangerous version of Trumpism. And it's one in which you...
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: You go back to the dog whistles. You know, the
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: bullhorn can only get you so far. It did get
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: him to the White House, which is pretty far. All
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: things considered. But you go back to the dog whistles.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: You try to downplay some of that. Then you make
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: it more about a kind of nationalist economic argument. You
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: make that salient. And that can be very, very powerful. And,
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: you know, Donald Trump became president by identifying two places
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: where there was a bipartisan consensus that millions of Americans
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: felt disaffected by.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: One was on immigration. One was on trade.
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: Democrats have been saying for a very long time, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: we're going to end the tax breaks for shipping jobs
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: overseas and we're going to have a tax break for
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: building jobs right here in America.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Years, years and years and years. And I think a
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: lot of people felt.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Polls at like 90%.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Polls at 90%.
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: And yet, when people look at like the architecture of
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: our economy, you see an increasingly kind of global system
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: in which Americans felt as though and correctly felt as
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: though manufacturing and other jobs were going overseas, that the
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: diffuse benefits of trades were acutely harming a great many Americans.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: And so I think when we talk about, Britney's critique
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: of Trump's trade policy is exactly right, but we have
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: to have a positive version of it. I think Elizabeth
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: Warren's outlining it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, we'll have more news in a bit.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Now it's time for OK Stop.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: We'll roll a clip and the panel can say OK
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: Stop at any point to comment.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Piers Morgan.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: There's an actual hiss sign. Someone has a.
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: Sign that just says hiss, which I greatly appreciate over
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: actual hissing.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Also, though, very thoughtful to the disabled community. Thanks for
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that closed caption.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Truly.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Truly. Love that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Here's Morgan. He's like the British Ryan Seacrest.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: Ryan Seacrest hacked a bunch of people's phones and then
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: still got to host Eurovision or whatever. But Piers sat
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: down with Donald Trump on his trip to the UK,
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: and the two got on great.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Take a look.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: Okay, stop.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Listen, y'all.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: I'm the child of two preachers, and I try really
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: hard not to do two things in public.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Cuss and drink. But if I have to look at
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: these two ugly mugs.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: And listen to this complete and utter fucking bullshit for
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: two minutes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: Bottoms up.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: That is pure rat poison.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Restored Britain as your number one special relationship.
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: I have a good relationship with many of the leaders.
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: Prime Minister Abiy, very special, just got by. He invited
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: me as the only country, he invited me as representative
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: of the United States and the First Lady to be
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: the only people at a special ceremony for the new emperor.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop. I have one friend.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Whose name I just mispronounced. It's also like.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: It's three letters. These little symbolic things, like inviting a
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: president to be at a special thing for the fucking emperor, like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: those are not supposed to affect policy. Like, You're supposed
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: to be like, this is why they're doing this, to
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: get in your good favor over a set of issues
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: that are really important.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Far more important than where you sit at a dinner,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: you broken narcissist.
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: He's also the only president that could be at the
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: ceremony for the new emperor because they just named the
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: new fucking emperor. There wasn't a lot of choices. Right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: that's a really good point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: That's a really good point.
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: 102 years. You know, it's a 3,000 year bloodline.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Do you like to have a 3,000 year bloodline?
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: I think it would be great. I don't know what
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: I'd be doing for the rest of the time. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: I think it would be great.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: Listen, don't worry. Honestly, he cannot have a 3,000 year bloodline.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: He's like two generations in and they've already got Habsburg
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: shit happening.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Like it's not.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Some branches don't flower.
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: It was a great thing in Japan, it was great.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: How do you feel being here in this center of power?
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: This is the generator, the power of the Warrens.
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: I think it's incredible because I'm a big fan of
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: Winston Churchill and I studied Winston Churchill.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Okay, stop.
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: This feels like the day that he talked about Frederick
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Douglass being a guy who did really great things. Like
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: it just feels like he just learned Winston Churchill's name.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Two minutes before he got on camera.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm trying to say hi to him before
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I leave.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know where he is.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: He told me he wanted to come golfing.
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Like, everyone has a tell for when they're lying. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: Trump says when he says, I studied it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: It's so, like, there are things that we deserve that
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: we won't ever get. And one of them is just, hey, okay.
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: Tell us everything you know about Winston Churchill. All the
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: time you need. I would pay, like, I would pay
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: boxing heavyweight championship pay-per-view prices for Donald Trump just, like,
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: getting a question. All right, everything you know about Japan, go.
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: You make all the phone calls to FDR, to Roosevelt,
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: and President Roosevelt... And they were showing me, here's where
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: he made that call. You know, they have everything documented.
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: How did that make you feel to think that could
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: have been you?
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: Well, it's just an awesome responsibility. I think I have
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: a very good relationship with the people in the United Kingdom.
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: But is it me or is it the country? Our
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: country loves your country. I love your country.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: We have a little gift for you. Because we're in
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the Churchill Warrens.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: This is where Britain's greatest leader fought the war.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop. For people listening....
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: Someone has brought in a hat box and removed a hat. Now,
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to say that I'm not sympathetic to
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump, but I am sympathetic to being surprised with
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: a hat.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: That is a tough position.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Politically, as a rule, politicians, when they're surprised with a hat.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Don't wear the hat.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: It's a mistake.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: It's going to end poorly. You're in a tank and
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: you're losing to George H.W.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Bush.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: If you ever wondered.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: What someone's dignity looked like when they took it out
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: of their body, it turns out it's a bowler hat.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: From the hat maker, Locke.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: On behalf of Good Morning Britain and ITV, we would
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: like to present you with a Churchill hat.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, sorry. Did he present it on behalf of the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: people of Britain? He does not have that authority.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: You can tell from Donald Trump's face because he gets
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: politics a little bit. He's looking at that hat like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: I don't know what I should do with this.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether he gets politics or not, but
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: he really understands his own hair. He knows two things.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: He knows three things.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: He knows how to avoid accountability in the American legal system.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: He knows his hair and he knows TV.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: And those two out of three are about to come
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: head to head.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: You know how I feel about his hair. I cannot
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: If I liked him, I'd set him up with a
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: good weaveologist from the south side of Chicago.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But I don't.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: So I let him live like that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: You want to try it?
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: I'll try it, you know. Because one thing I've proved
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: by being a politician, it is my hair.
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: They would have found out a long time ago.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Do you think you or Boris Johnson has the best hair?
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know, but I do think he's a good person.
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: I think it's going to be a very interesting.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: Who's the British Trump? Is it Boris or Nigel Farage?
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: Well, Nigel's another one.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: I like Nigel. Who's the British Trump?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say.
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: I don't want to destroy anybody's... I don't want to
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: destroy anybody's career.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: If you had a....
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: No, it's a little big.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: We can get that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: That's fantastic.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: OK, stop.
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: That guy gets shot first in a Chicago gangster movie.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: My takeaway is that this was the worst version of
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: the Deadwood movie.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: I was going to say that, like, Kevin Costner was
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: in The Untouchables, but this is a movie called The Unfuckables.
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: Does that stay in? So Winston Trump.
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: I think Winston looked much better in this one.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Not a hair move. Not a single hair move.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Oh, man.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: That was hard to watch.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: And that's OK Stop.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Very, very glad I drank before that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: That was worse than the Malort.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: It is pretty terrible.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Jesus.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Fucking rat poison.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: It's not a joke. I like it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: Oh, boy.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the Democratic primary.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Drink.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: So this week, there were a ton of new policy
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: proposals from the presidential candidates, but what got the most
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: attention was actually an old policy position from Joe Biden,
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: which was his support for the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: federal funding from.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Just wait till the end, guys. Just wait till the end.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Which prohibits federal funding from being used to cover abortion
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: care for women.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Who are on Medicaid. In response.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Almost every Democratic candidate reiterated their support for repealing Hyde,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: and a few candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Beto O'Rourke
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: said that the Vice President was wrong. But just tonight,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: in remarks made just an hour ago, it appears that
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: Joe Biden has reversed his position. He said in a
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: speech that in an environment where women's health is under assault,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: especially in Republican-led states, he can, quote, no longer support
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: an amendment that cuts off funding for abortion access. So obviously,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: I want to talk about Biden's reversal here, but let's
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: start by talking about.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Why this amendment is so harmful.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Brittany, the argument from some supporters of the Hyde Amendment
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: goes something like, you know, I support legal protections for
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: abortion access, but I don't think taxpayers who are against
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: abortion should have to fund that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Why is this problematic? Why is this wrong?
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Because if you are opposed to being able to fund abortions,
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: you are not in support of a woman's right to choose.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: Like the two literally don't go together. There are eight
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: million people with ovaries on Medicare. which means that abortion
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: for them is legal in name only, and that's simply
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: not enough. Newsflash, newsflash, women's health has been under attack
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: since the dawn of time. I'm glad the Democrats are
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: finally now saying we're actually not going to be ashamed
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: of believing that fundamentally women should have control over their
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: own bodies and people with ovaries should have, I don't know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: fundamental access to all of the things that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Go along with their humanity.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: But there are some basic things we should all understand
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: about abortion. One is that one in four women in
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: their lifetime will have an abortion. It is a normal
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: medical procedure.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: That is how we should discuss it. That is how
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: we should think about it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: Number two, we have to realize that outlawing abortions, whether
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: it is a state and run on row that's happening
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: across the country, especially in places like my home state
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: of Missouri, or if it comes from the Supreme Court,
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: that abortions will not stop. They will simply become more dangerous.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: And that will primarily affect poor women. Women of color
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: and LGBTQ folks. They will be the folks dying most
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: from that ban. And we also have to recognize, lastly,
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: that this is fundamentally about power. This is actually not
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: about ovaries. This has never been about morality. Because if
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: you actually look at the known history of the creation
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: of the religious right, there are folks, evangelicals, who essentially
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: lost the fight against school segregation. And when they lost
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: that fight, they said, we need to create a new
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: political supermajority. And the plan was, if we take up
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: birth control and abortion rights, then we can get together
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: with Catholics and we can essentially create the religious right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: So this was never about morality. This was never about
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: a right to life. This was always about maintaining power.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: This was always about ensuring that oppressed people remain oppressed.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And lastly.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Pretty fundamentally, if you don't have ovaries, if you don't
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: have a uterus, I do not care what you think about.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: My right to do what I need to do with
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: my body.
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: So I just want to establish those baseline things before.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: We move forward.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: So obviously this has come up this week because of Biden,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: but the Democratic Party has had a long history with
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: the Hyde Amendment, and many Democrats have or some Democrats
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: have supported the Hyde.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Amendment, you know, repealing it was only in.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: The Democratic Party's platform for the first time in 2016,
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: last election. So, Dan, what is the history of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Hyde Amendment, and how have the Democratic politics around this
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: changed over time?
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: The Hyde Amendment is named after a congressman named Henry Hyde,
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: who's from here in Illinois, and what it says is that,
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: as Brittany pointed out, that no federal funding can be
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: used to fund abortion. It was first put.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: In bills in the mid-70s, right after Roe v.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: Wade became the law of the land and women's constitutional
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: rights usually came enshrined. And then it was essentially cut
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: and pasted into every appropriations bill for the next 40 years.
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: And Republicans have been very for it, and Democrats have
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: been pretty silent about it because it was an unchangeable
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: thing in a world in which you needed 60 votes
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: in the Senate. So that's the legislative history. The political
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: history is of a different era in Democratic politics and
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: one that we are trying to move away from first
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: in the Obama era and now in this 2020 election,
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: which is this world where there's essentially a transactional progressivism,
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: where in order to be for a women's right to choose,
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: where Catholic politicians, the Democratic Catholic politicians would come out
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: for supporting women's right to choose, but in order to
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: feel like they could do that, they would then say, yes,
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: I am for women's right to choose, but you taxpayer,
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: your taxpayer dollars will not be used to fund it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: And that has been a world in which we are,
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: Democrats have played on Republican turf for too long, where essentially,
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: and in the case of the Hyde Amendment, this is
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: what is so troubling about the politics of it and
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: why it's so important that everyone be on board to
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: repeal it, is what it essentially said is, in order
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: to appeal to anti-choice taxpayers, we are going to sacrifice
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: the rights and the health care of poor women. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: that is the sort of sacrifices and transactions that have
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: too often guided democratic policy making on social issues that
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: we've tried to appeal to largely Catholic working class voters
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: in these Midwestern states. And we don't have to do
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: that anymore. So it's important that everyone takes a stand
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: to put that behind us.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: I think the fear that a lot of Democrats or
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: the silence that Democrats have.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Had on this issue also revolves.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Around politics, and it's sort of like, it's some of
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: the same caution which Democrats have approached a lot of
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: other issues, because when you look at the polling, right,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: if you phrase it, you know, the Hyde Amendment prohibits
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: federal funds from being used to fund abortions. Do you
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: support this or not? General public, 55% of American people
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: say they support the Hyde Amendment, 29% oppose, and then
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: among Democrats, it's split.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: 41% support.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: But 44% opposed, right? So this has been the way
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: the question has been asked for a long time. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: so Democratic politicians look at this question and they say, oh, well,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: you know, even though a lot of people are pro-choice,
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: you know, this federal taxpayer money being used to fund abortions,
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: this is too far and so I'll compromise on this, right?
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: So then in 2016, pollsters decided to start asking another question.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: And they asked, however we feel about abortion, politicians should
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: not be allowed to deny a woman's health coverage for
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: it just because she's poor. 76% of voters agreed with
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: that in battleground states. And then they said, do you
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: agree with this statement? When Medicaid covers pregnancy care but
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: withholds coverage for abortion, we're taking away a low-income woman's
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: ability to make important personal decisions based on what's best
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: for her. 62% of people agreed with that in battleground states.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: So it is one of these things where Democrats have
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: just been afraid of their own shadow for so long
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: because probably white male pollsters have asked the question, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: they've framed it in a certain way.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: It's political fear, but it's not just like if only
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: Democrats had phrased the question differently in polls 30 years
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: ago in a different position.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: It is that they have allowed conservatives to.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: Define the issue and to drive the conversation. We have
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: been doing this from a defensive posture.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: So let's talk about Biden. Tommy, why do you think
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Joe Biden reversed himself? He has been hit from the
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: left from some candidates on other past positions he's taken
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: that are more moderate and conservative, and he's basically said, no,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: I'm going to continue those positions, but this is the
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: first time he's actually reversed himself.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, good question. Look, I think that they saw
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: that it was hurting him politically. I mean, that's the
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: simplest explanation, and that is interesting to me because he
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: has been criticized for a lot of parts of his
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: record over the course of the past several months, and
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: they have not responded really in any great detail on
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: a lot of issues that I think we all thought
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: might cause him trouble politically until tonight. And so I
• 36:59
  Speaker 10: think we'll see if this position change actually makes people
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: feel better about supporting him, makes him feel better about
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: his choice record. But I think the more important question
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: we have to ask ourselves as a party is, how
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: did so many Democrats support the Hyde Amendment for so long?
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: I mean, Biden talked about his support for the Hyde
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: Amendment in terms of his Catholic faith and his belief
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: that life starts at conception and that he believes that
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: for himself personally, but that he wouldn't apply those views
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: politically and try to restrict abortion access.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But the Hyde Amendment does exactly that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: I mean, it treats women who get their health care
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: through Medicaid like second-class citizens. So I do think, like
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: Dan was saying, we really need to rethink what a
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: standard Democratic position for decades said to women in this
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: country and go on offense on these issues and start
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: talking about women's health care as health care and not
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: some stigmatized secondary version?
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Well, I think, I mean, there are.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: Two points on this. One is, one of the reasons,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: other than just simple political fear that Democrats went along
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: with it, is if you refuse to vote for a
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: funding bill that had the Hyde Amendment attached to it,
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: the government would have been shut down for 30 years, right?
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: But also, our party has not been unified on this,
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: and not even close to unified. We were passing the
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: Affordable Care Act. Bart Stupak, who was a congressman from
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: Michigan and a group of other conservative congressmen, almost sunk
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: the Affordable Care Act unless Obama would sign an executive
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: order that was essentially symbolic, but that reasserted that the
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: Hyde Amendment would apply to the Affordable Care Act. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: so we're not just fighting Republicans. We've also been fighting
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: elements of our own party who are much more conservative
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: on this issue, which is something we'll talk about with
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: our guests in a little bit.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Many of them from Illinois.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: But what we should be doing as a party, right,
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: to Dan's point, is redefining the issue and recognize that
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: we actually are the pro-life party. And here's what I
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: mean by that. If you are a party that cuts
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: SNAP benefits, that will not regulate guns, that will not
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: do anything for poor children, children of color, that locks
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: children up in cages, you cannot tell me that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: You are the pro-life party.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I will never believe.
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: You.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And we need to stop conceding that ground.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: If we actually come forward with the kind of plans
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: that support life and actually reduce the number of abortions
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: because women don't have to make that choice so that
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: they enter a cycle of poverty, right? I think that like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: I really think, sometimes I just think these guys like,
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: don't talk to any of the women that they know
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: because I think people think that we're just like out
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: here frivolously choosing abortions like we go through a drive-thru
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: or something and we're like a number two and an abortion.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: It's a really difficult, challenging, life-altering decision that women and
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: people with reproductive organs like that are bravely making every
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: single day. And if we actually understood it in that way,
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: then we'd be thinking about comprehensive care for the folks
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: that can bear children so that we can be having
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: a fundamentally different conversation about the quality of life that
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: people can have if they decide to have children.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Period.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: That would solve this conversation. But nobody's willing to talk
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: about that.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Lovett, what do you think?
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: I do think it's a question of, like Dan said,
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Democrats have been just too afraid of this issue and
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: they've been too afraid of their own party. I thought
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: that Elizabeth Warren on Chris Hayes' town hall made a
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: great argument last night when she's like, look, no matter
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: what happens, no matter what restrictions are passed, rich women
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: are always going to be able to have access to abortion.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: This is about poor women. This is about young women.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: This is about women of color. This is about trans folks.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: This is about LGBTQ folks. These are the people that
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: are not going to be able to have access.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And this is a question of equity, fundamentally.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a cancer on our politics.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: And I think a lot of people are looking around
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: and saying, we got this fucking guy in the White House.
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: I don't want politicians who are going to come in
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: here and compromise with Republicans before we're even out of
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: the gate. I want people who are unabashedly going to
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: defend the things we believe in, who aren't going to
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: compromise just because they're afraid to say what they really think.
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: You know, we've combined for a really long time discomfort
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: with abortion as an idea, with access to reproductive care. And,
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: you know, if our position, if our position is the
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: state should not dictate when a human being has to
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: give birth to another person.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: That is our position, and I think it is.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: I think that that is a deeply held conviction, an
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: invaluable conviction of democratic voters. If that is our position,
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: then it is our position whether we're talking about Roe
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: versus Wade, which would, if overturned, deny people that right
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: or force people to give birth against their will. But
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: it is also something that would force people to give
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: birth just by dint of their financial circumstances. And so
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: I think that we need to disconnect notions of access
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: from any concerns and desire that people sincerely have about
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: reducing the number of abortions that take place. Because one
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: of the lessons of the last 30 years is access
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: doesn't lead to increased number of abortions. Actually, access to
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: comprehensive care reduces the number of abortions. And so Joe
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Biden in the last 48 hours has been forced to
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: confront a Democratic view that wasn't shared by a lot
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: of Democratic voters and actually just didn't stand up to scrutiny.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: And that's a cool thing about this primary. That's an
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: incredibly important thing that's happening. And it's actually significant that
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: this is the first time that we've seen Joe Biden
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: as a frontrunner kind of adjust based on recrimination and
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: argument from the rest of the field, which is actually
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: what a primary is all about.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's fundamentally a good thing.
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That he was forced to change. Okay.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: When we come back, we'll have an interview with Democratic
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: congressional candidate Marie Newman.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: She is the Democratic candidate for the nomination of Third
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: District of Illinois. Please welcome Marie Newman. Thank you so much.
• 43:00
  Speaker 12: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: Well, thank you so much for being here. As a
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: general rule, to the extent that Positive America has rules,
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: we generally try to stay away from Democratic primaries.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: But we thought.
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: What was happening in the third district of Illinois was
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: so interesting and important that we wanted to have you
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: on stage tonight to discuss it. And we will, a
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: lot of the national touching of race has been around
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: your opponent. And we will get to that, trust me.
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: But before we do, I want to talk about you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: So before you made the tough decision to challenge a
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: entrenched incumbent in a Democratic district here in Illinois.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: You.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: Became an advocate for, you became an anti-bullying advocate, right?
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: You had a very successful career in advertising and then
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: you took on, you started a non-profit. Tell me about
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: how you came to that decision and how your activism
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: in that arena led you to run for Congress.
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: They are tied quite a bit.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: My son, at an early age, around fourth or fifth grade,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: had been bullied to the point of hospitalization and traumatization.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: And It really changed our family forever. I actually studied
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: bullies and went through the rigor of understanding it. I
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: wrote a book on it and then built a nonprofit
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: called Team Up to Stop Bullying. The reason I did
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: all that is because there was no manual 11 years ago.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: There was no manual for parents and schools how to
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: collaborate together to end bullying. I felt like it was
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: really important. A mom friend of mine and I got
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: together and did that. I did not know at that
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: time that it was going to inform me on a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: bunch of different things. I actually went to President Obama's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: summit on bullying and helped inform what ultimately became a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: bunch of data and work that led to the executive order.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And it's one of the few executive orders that hasn't
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: gotten overturned, thank God, right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: The best.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: But what that informed is there's lots of different types
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of bullies, and I've taken on a lot of bullies
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: in my time. What I realized is the biggest bully
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: is the Chicago Machine. And you guys know, right? You
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: guys know. And when Trump came along, and I had
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: been watching Dan Lipinski's record for the longest time, I knew.
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: I knew.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I knew this guy was just completely ill-fitting to the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: district because I was born on the southwest side of
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the city, I was raised in the southwest suburbs, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I'm raising my babies that are not babies anymore in
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the southwest suburbs, right? I know how we roll, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: we don't roll the way he rolls, and we don't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: roll the way the machine rolls at all. So I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: knew that I needed to stand up to this particular
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: bully and to the Chicago machine.
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: You know why?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Because no one else would do it. I have a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: background in advocacy. I've worked on civil rights on a
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: bunch of different topics, and I just knew no one
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: would stand up, so I did.
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: So, as you mentioned, you're running against Congressman Dan Lipinski.
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: Dan Lipinski's positions include he's anti-choice, anti-marriage equality. He opposes
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: the Affordable Care Act. He refused to endorse President Obama
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: when he was running for re-election in 2012. That's right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 12: And Hillary Clinton.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: And Hillary Clinton.
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: Are these the views of the people of the 3rd
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: District of Illinois?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: No, let's share a little data to put a fine
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: point on that. So Bernie took the district by 8
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: points in the primary in 2016. Hillary took it by
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: 16 points in the general.
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: It is deep, deep blue.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: This district needs a real Democrat with a real plan.
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: Some of the folks here in the room tonight who
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: are more familiar with Chicago politics may have a better
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: sense of this, but for our listeners at home, help
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: them understand how it's possible that someone who has the
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: positions I just outlined can represent a district that Hillary
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: Clinton won by 16 in Barack Obama's home state.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting. So we have to go back literally
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: 40 years, right? So it's a deeply blue district. It
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: hasn't had a Republican in 60 years. So it's a
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: deeply blue district, although there are pockets of conservatism, for sure.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: There's some social values that are slightly different than mine.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: That said, that is not the overwhelming the case. It's
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: very small pockets. It is 70% of the district believes
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: that they are pro-choice. Over 80% of the district is
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: very pro-LGBTQ rights. 70% of the district believes in Medicare
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: for all. And right now, Dan Lipinski not only makes
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: fun of Medicare for all, but says that it is
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a pipe dream when he knows the data and he's
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: just flying in the face of most of the American
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: public because my district is really a microcosm of the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: rest of the nation. They have the same values as
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the rest of the nation. So to answer the question
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: more directly is that we are a standard Democratic district.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The difference is the Chicago machine rules the southwest side.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: And so trying to break through that is really, really difficult,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: particularly when you have a generational name, which is Lipinski,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: because his dad had the district for 22 years before
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: he did, and then his dad gifted his district.
• 48:27
  Speaker 12: And I'll just share that quick story because it's super fun.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: So.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So his dad, Bill, had the district and then decided
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to retire.
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: But he waited until after the primary.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: So in the primary in 2004, he got through the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: primary very easily because he's the only Democrat in town there.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Gets through and then waits until September before the general
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and says, I think I'm going to retire.
• 48:55
  Speaker 12: And who, who, who with my last name could take
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: my place?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And he turned to his good friend Mike Madigan and
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Alderman Burke and said, gosh, do you know anybody with
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the name Lipinski that could take my place in the
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: next six weeks?
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: And so he did.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: So he slid in, and I often refer to it
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that he was gifted the seat because he was that way.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And it's completely unfair and undemocratic. So fast forward, you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: it's 2018.
• 49:25
  Speaker 12: I'm running against him.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: He is absolutely indignant that I had the audacity to
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: challenge him. Literally, he would say things like, well, I
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: can remember when we were asking him to do debates,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and he wouldn't, and he'd call and say, well, who
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: is she?
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: And I was like, really?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: So that's how that happened, is that just sheer name ID.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And I went from absolutely no one knowing my name
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: to getting 49% of the vote because.
• 49:54
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you. But it wasn't me. It was because the
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: district and I ran this race together. The district and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I ran together in lockstep and held each other up,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and I still maintain.
• 50:09
  Speaker 12: That's why in the last six weeks of the race,
• 50:11
  Speaker 12: we pushed him.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: To $ 15 an hour because he said absolutely no 12
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: weeks prior to that next to me in an interview.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: And we pushed him to do $ 15 an hour. We
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: pushed him to sign the DREAM Act, which just went through.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And it's not the dream.
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: Act I wanted.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: So we pushed him hard. So the district is amazing,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and they work really hard, and we're a good team.
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: So the DCCC, which is the campaign arm of the
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: House Democrats, has endorsed Congressman Lipinski, which is not a surprise.
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: As a policy, they support incumbents. As they did in
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: your 2018 race, they supported the congressman. But this time,
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: in this race, they did something different, which is they
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: implemented a policy, which they put in writing, that said
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: that any consulting firm that worked for a Democrat who
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: was challenging an incumbent Democrat would be blacklisted. So I
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: wanted to get your reaction to that policy in general,
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: but also how that policy has impacted your race.
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so first of all, I don't agree with that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: As I would expect, yes.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say, in terms of leadership tenants, so
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: let's talk about that for a second. The DCCC's charter
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is to protect incumbents, and to expand the party.
• 51:24
  Speaker 12: So that's okay. That part is okay.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: But as I've told the leadership is that there's nuance
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: in leadership, and there should be cases where you should
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: have a different view. So if you're taking the stance that,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: and I have talked to the leadership about this and
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: registered my complaint in a very respectful and friendly way,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: that that while you need to treat everybody the same,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: all incumbents the same, right? There are cases for extreme
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: bad apples, and Dan Lipinski is an extreme bad apple.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a gentleman who does not believe
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: in birth control. This is a gentleman that did some
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: things that would literally curl your hair and really upset
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: you if you knew what he did to me in
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the last four weeks of the campaign. We're not discussing
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that tonight. But this guy is a bad dude. I'm
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: just telling you right now.
• 52:16
  Speaker 12: So the reality, when I.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Had that discussion with the leadership, I said, this is
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: an extreme case.
• 52:23
  Speaker 12: Can we talk about nuance in leadership? And that is
• 52:25
  Speaker 12: part of it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: And I've run.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: national organizations. I've rolled out national programs. There is nuance
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: to be had. And they weren't interested in nuance, right?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: So how it affected my campaign was is that it
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: was very, very, very expensive. I lost four consultants that
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: were communications and mail houses. I lost several pollsters because
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: everyone was so afraid of this dictum. And honestly, they
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: got horrifying phone calls from the DTRIP saying with lots
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: of threats, right? So It was expensive and very time consuming,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: but as my mom always says, get up over that
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: and up and over and back beyond it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 12: So, you know, we are beyond it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: So your 2018 race got a lot of attention. You
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: came incredibly close to unseating, to beating the Chicago machine,
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: which is, that's how that happens very often.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: But it feels, but this, one of the major dividing
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: issues between you and Congresswoman Pinsky is women's reproductive freedom.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: And that issue is obviously even more at the forefront
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: in this election because of the very legitimate fears that
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: the Supreme Court could overturn Roe, but also, as we
• 53:34
  Speaker 9: just discussed on stage, Republican states passing bills to ban abortion,
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: even in the cases of rape and incest. Has that
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: changed people's response to your campaign or how you're thinking
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: about running your campaign?
• 53:46
  Speaker 12: A hundred percent. These are totalitarian laws, straight up. That's
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: what they are.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Because if you're enslaving one gender in this country, that's
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: called totalitarian and authoritarian. So for me, this is a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: moral imperative in this country to get this guy out
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and anybody that's supporting it. And just to put a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: fine point on that, not six months ago, he stood
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: up in front of a room and said that, yes,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I'm actively supporting the overturn of Roe v.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Wade.
• 54:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah, he's a Democrat.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: So as I always say, when I talk about women's
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: reproductive rights, it doesn't even get down to science, politics,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: or who said what, where, when.
• 54:30
  Speaker 12: I just trust women. That's all I do. I trust women.
• 54:37
  Speaker 12: And so this is.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: An oddly critical race because we can't have two sets
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: of rules for the genders, right? And let's add three
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: or four sets with non-binary, right? So the reality is
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: that we can't have this as a nation. And these laws,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: they're just going to continue unless we stay adept on them.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: There are six states that are banning right now, but
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: there are other states. And I will tell you one
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: very quick story. I was in Minnesota over the summer, and.
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: I ran out of the car. Oh, love that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I ran out of the car because in Minneapolis, these,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I call them yellow jackets, were protecting women that were
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: going into reproductive care, escorting them in. They were from
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Idaho and Montana and South Dakota where there was one
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: abortion clinic and now shut down, by the way.
• 55:27
  Speaker 12: And so what if Minnesota wasn't there? So we need this.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: So my last question for you is, for the folks
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: here in the room and listeners at home who the
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: DCCC cannot blacklist, How can they help your campaign if
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: they want to support you in your efforts to defeat
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: Dan Lipinski and get a real Democrat in that district?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, there's a lot of ways, but probably the
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: best way to start is to go to marienewmanforcongress.com and
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: you can volunteer, you can donate, you can give me
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: your ideas. One of the things we like to do
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: on my campaign is have meet and greets.
• 56:01
  Speaker 12: Last time I.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Had 190 over the expanse of the campaign.
• 56:05
  Speaker 12: We've already had 80 this campaign. We're on par to
• 56:08
  Speaker 12: do 300.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So if you live in the district or around the
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: district and want to have a meet and greet, I
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: want to hear your ideas because politicians forget that people
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: with the challenges.
• 56:17
  Speaker 12: have the ideas. And I want to hear your ideas.
• 56:19
  Speaker 12: I'm not there to listen. I want your ideas. So
• 56:23
  Speaker 12: you can do a meet and.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Greet, can volunteer.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: And this campaign, I'm not taking corporate money at all.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And Dan takes 60% of his funds from corporate money.
• 56:36
  Speaker 12: And I want to tell you something really important.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: While reproductive rights are very important to me, as are
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: everybody's civil rights, our economic rights are the most important
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: thing on the planet right now.
• 56:44
  Speaker 12: And we should all be laser-focused on it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: The income divide in this country is dramatic, and it's
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: dividing us culturally, societally, psychologically.
• 56:53
  Speaker 12: In every way. It's not just a financial divide.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: So I am laser-focused on fighting income equality and getting
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: paid leave passed, universal child care, raising wages, and empowering unions.
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: That is great. Marie, before we let you go, we'd
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: love to play a game.
• 57:14
  Speaker 12: Oh, I love games.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Hi, hi.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I've had a lot of Malort.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Hello.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Chicago.
• 57:26
  Speaker 8: Your hearts are clogged with love. But while this city
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: may be home to Pizzeria Uno, sometimes your politicians treat.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: You Like numero dos.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: So sorry.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: Honestly, I looked up the Italian for two, but I
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: couldn't do it. I know it's, I just, I'm sure.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: Now it's true, we here at Crooked Media, we have
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: a policy when it comes to primaries. We don't take sides.
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: We don't want to get in the way of voters
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: making their choice. That's why you don't see us in
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: doors anywhere. Whether it's the Democratic primary for president or
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: Dan's failed campaign to become the moderator of his neighborhood
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: next door message board. Somebody has got to put a
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: stop to all this leashless dog walking. And I think
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: Dan's the guy to do it. His campaign slogan, sure
• 58:27
  Speaker 8: you trust your dog, but what about that dog?
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: This is, Jesus.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Slightly racist.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: More malort.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Like, just a little.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I tried, I tried.
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't hear it. I heard love you, love it,
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: so it's good.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: But sometimes you have to make an exception just to
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: feel alive, just to know you can. just because Dan
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: Lipinski deserves it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: And so now for a game called, Close Your Eyes.
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: Imagine Illinois' 3rd Congressional District is represented by someone who
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: wasn't handed his job on a silver platter while praising
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: Trump and siding with Republicans on some of the biggest
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: issues facing this country.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Now open your eyes. Whisper, it's possible.
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: Would someone out there like to play the game? Travis
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: is in the house. You jumped up, you got it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Just stay there. Just definitely stay there. Hi, what's your name?
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: My name's Amanda.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Amanda, how you doing?
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I'm great.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Where are you from?
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I'm from Los Angeles, California, but I've lived here for
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: five years.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Like clockwork. Maria, I'm sorry. Because the second someone from
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: out of town.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Let her finish. I think she lives here now.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I live here. I've been here for five years.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I'm a registered voter.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: Hey, hey.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: We come from presidential speech writing.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Lead with that.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: I was going to say, everyone is very friendly, but
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: the second someone from out of town plays a game,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: they want to build a wall.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: And I apologize.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: It happens everywhere.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: We're all fallen.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Sin.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: Amanda, are you ready to play the game?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Question number one.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: How did Dan Lipinski win his first primary to represent
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: Democrats in his race for Congress?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: Is it A, door to door, talking to voters with
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: his famous slogan, not lip service, Lipinski service.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: Or is it B, you see, Lipinski was the simple
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: gardener at a large manor house. And after the homeowner died,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: he ventured into the world basically for the first time.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: Advice for cultivating plants. His only family reference was mistaken
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: for sage wisdom by moneyed interest who rallied behind his candidacy.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Or is it C?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: His dad, Bill Lipinski, won the primary, then Big Bill, retired,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and got his own name replaced with his son's name
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: on the ballot.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: Or is it D?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: I still can't believe the dad thing.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Or is it E?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 10: On a cold winter's night, the Bean opened, revealing Dan
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: Lipinski covered in green sludge next to a stack of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 10: placards with his name on it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Everyone who saw that happen was called crazy. And now
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: they are dead. What do you think, Amanda?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 12: I'm going to have to go with C.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: You got it. Bonus question.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: When did Lipinski last live in the district when his
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: daddy got his name added to the ballot despite not
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: living in the district and not running for the position?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 12: Five years ago?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: No, it was 1989.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: 1989.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: You got it wrong so long ago. That was it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Question two.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: Dan Lipinski voted against the Affordable Care Act, against the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: DREAM Act, and refused to back a bill to raise
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: the minimum wage. Plus, he's long opposed access to contraception
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: and reproductive health care.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Wait, I missed a... Shut up. Dan Lipinski... Dan Lipinski....
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: You are embarrassing me in front of the next member
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: of Congress from Illinois.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: Third district.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: Dan Lipinski voted against the Affordable Care Act, against the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: DREAM Act, and refused to back a bill to raise
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: the minimum wage. Plus, he's long opposed access to contraception
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: and reproductive health care, including abortion rights.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Now, I know what you're thinking. Health care, wages, immigration.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Those are some.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: Big-ticket items that go to the core of what we
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: stand for as Democrats. But don't worry.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: He was also the only Democrat who refused to sponsor
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: this piece of legislation.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Is it A? The Everyone Must See Hamilton Act.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Or is it B?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: The Everyone Must Stop Making Hamilton Jokes Act.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Or is it C?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 12: The Equality Act.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Or is it D?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: The Can We At Least Stop Inviting Lipinski to Lunch Act.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Or is it E?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 10: The I Feel Bad But It's Like We Have Such
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: A Fun Group And When He's There It Changes The
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 10: Vibe Act.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 12: I think it's the Equality Act.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: It is. It's the Equality Act. Bonus question. Bonus question.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: Lipinski ultimately relented and voted for the Equality Act after
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: pressure from which person on this stage?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Miss Newman.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: You got it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: That's your first vote. Bonus question number two. Lipinski said
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: this person would be a champion for immigration reform.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: Donald Trump?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wild.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Question three.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: In 2018, an organization with ties to Dan Lipinski sent
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: text messages to potential voters claiming his opponent, Marie Newman,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: would do what?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Is it A?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: The text claimed Marie Newman operated a satanic pedophile ring
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: out of the basement of her family pizza restaurant. The
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: unfortunately named satanic pedophile pizza parlor and salad bar.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: Or is it B?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: The text claimed Marie Newman denied the Holocaust and would, quote,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: jail nuns.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Or is it C?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: The text claimed Marie Newman wanted to legally define deep
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: dish pizza as casserole and not pizza.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Or is it D?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: The text claimed that Marie Newman hadn't lived in the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: district since 1989, opposed the Affordable Care Act, and only
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: ran because her dad said, in this family, we run
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: for Congress. Now you put that suit on, you grab
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: those yard signs, shake some hands.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: And get out of my sight.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I want to clap for that.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Or is it E?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 10: The text said, yeah, I helped Marie Newman hide the body.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: I hope the American people don't find out. Then it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: was followed up with, might be wrong number.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: There's part of me that wants to say it was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the pizza thing.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Because you're... you know, pulling at the heartstrings.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: So now this is sort of the behind the music
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: of the answer, but what is the answer?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, gee, I don't know.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Whatever Dan said.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: You got it. Jailing nuns. Final question.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: Now, it's common for the DCCC, the Democratic Party organization
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: focused on winning House races, to back incumbents. But the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: DCCC actually went further and threatened to blacklist political vendors
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: and consultants who helped to primary conservatives like Dan Lipinski.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: This despite the fact that Lipinski refused to endorse Barack
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: Obama in 2012.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: But a lot of.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: People have gotten behind Marie Newman anyway. We're going to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: hit you with some names. If they've backed Newman, say true.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: If not, you say false. We're just going to go
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: in order.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: John, kick us off.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Emily's list.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Don Jr.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: 's list.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: False.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 12: The National Abortion Rights Action League.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: True.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Governor Jay Inslee.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: True.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 10: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: True. Senator J.J. Binks.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: False.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's true. Jar Jar Binks did not endorse. Maybe
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: you just didn't understand him.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: He was too busy handing over the republic to Palpatine.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Next.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: Senator Bernie Sanders.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: True.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 12: Colonel Harlan David Sanders.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: False.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: Yep, Colonel Sanders not involved.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: The vice chair of the Progressive Caucus, Representative Roe Kahn. True.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: MoveOn.org.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Bill Lipinski.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: True. No, no, that one's false. Yeah, I want to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: hear that sound.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: Planned Parenthood Action Committee.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: True.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: The good folks at Pod Save America.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: Aw.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: That is, that's true.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: Amanda, you've won the game. Thank you so much for
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: playing Close Your Eyes.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: Imagine Illinois' third congressional district is represented by someone who
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: wasn't handed his job and a silver platter while praising
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: Trump and siding with Republicans on some of the biggest
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: issues facing this country.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Now open your eyes, whisper, it's possible. Guys, give it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: up for Marie Newman.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Thank you for playing.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you for being here. Fighting the good fight.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Chicago. Thank you, Brittany Pagnin. Thank you, Marie Newman.