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Beautiful mom and baby daughter found dead beside train tracks. What happened to Kadie Major and baby River? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A beautiful mom and her infant daughter found dead near
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  Speaker 1: train tracks counted off as a murder suicide? Or was it?
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  Speaker 1: What happened to Katie Major and baby River Major Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. She was living in the perfect
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  Speaker 1: life for her. That's what Katie wanted to be was
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  Speaker 1: a mother, have children, be a wife, take care of
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  Speaker 1: her house, cook garden. She was living her dream. She
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  Speaker 1: really was a Katie had married the love of her
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  Speaker 1: life in two thousand and three, her high school's sweetheart,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Major. They really were just like bes friends. Aaron
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  Speaker 1: went to work for Katie's dad, who was a house
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  Speaker 1: paid she settled in as a homemaker. In two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven, they welcomed River Lynn. She had this beautiful
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  Speaker 1: little smile that made her just look like an angel.
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  Speaker 1: She's all smiley, Vicky says. Katie had never been happier.
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  Speaker 1: Need to give her she was so excited about having
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  Speaker 1: children and she wanted a big family. Not long after
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  Speaker 1: River was born, Katie got pregnant again. This time she
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  Speaker 1: learned with a son, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friend Peter van Zante at forty eight hours. Originally ruled
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  Speaker 1: murder suicide. That's tough to take in with me an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of it all with
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  Speaker 1: me Jessica Sanders, private investigator clear View Investigations on the case,
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  Speaker 1: renounce Psycho Ana. Let's out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Director of the
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  Speaker 1: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, the
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Florida. But straight out
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  Speaker 1: now to Anne Emerson WCIV ABC for Charleston, and let's
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  Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. How was Katie found dead?
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  Speaker 1: It was a cold, rainy, sleety night. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of those down here in South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: But it was in a little town called Monk's Corner,
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  Speaker 1: about forty five minutes from Charleston. She lived there with
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  Speaker 1: her family. Her mom had a beautiful health horse farm nearby.
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  Speaker 1: The night that she sort of went missing, according to
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  Speaker 1: the police, it was January seventeen, two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 1: She reportedly had been talking to her mom on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: They had tried to make an instance for dinner didn't
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  Speaker 1: work out. This is around six o'clock at night. Now.
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  Speaker 1: According to police reports, what happened was that she came home.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband says that she talked to him, had made
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  Speaker 1: some rumblings that there was some kind of paranoid issues
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  Speaker 1: going on. She was worried about her safety and had
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  Speaker 1: left while he was in the shower. What we know
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  Speaker 1: how she was found was the next day after searching
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  Speaker 1: for her and the father. The husband was looking for her,
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  Speaker 1: her mom is looking for her. Everyone's looking for this
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  Speaker 1: young woman. And she had her little girl River with her,
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  Speaker 1: and of course she also is pregnant at the time
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  Speaker 1: with a little boy. And the police report they have
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  Speaker 1: found a body, two bodies near the rail road trucks,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where the disappearance ends, and we are now
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  Speaker 1: dealing with what happened to this poor woman and her child.
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  Speaker 1: The woman, Katie Majors, twenty six years old, is found
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  Speaker 1: by the railroad tracks with lacerations to her stomach. Her
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  Speaker 1: child is found nearby, floating in a pond, and at
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  Speaker 1: that point the investigation turns towards looking at and from
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  Speaker 1: what we understand, gets ruled rather quickly as some type
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  Speaker 1: of we don't know what happened to the baby at
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  Speaker 1: that time. They're saying it's undetermined. But the mother, they're
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  Speaker 1: reporting it as a suicide at the railroad tracks. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what was her cause of death? And the baby drowned
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  Speaker 1: in a pond? What about Katie? The corner is reporting
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  Speaker 1: from the autopsy report is that it was that she
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  Speaker 1: threw herself in front of the train. That's what That's
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  Speaker 1: what the official report was was that she had died
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  Speaker 1: by suicide and that's why they found her by the
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  Speaker 1: railroad tracks. Um. I also read the report said that
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  Speaker 1: she had the baby had somehow gotten thrown during the
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  Speaker 1: when she had been hit by the train that was coming,
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  Speaker 1: and when that baby landed in in a pond that
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  Speaker 1: was nearby, like a little water swursh nearby. That's a
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  Speaker 1: lot to take in with me. Ann Emerson WCIV, ABC four, Charleston.
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  Speaker 1: Her family insists this was no suicide murder, murdering a
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  Speaker 1: little baby. I don't get it. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: a police interview about halfway through the shower. I heard
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I wasn't sure it was her truck
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  Speaker 1: cranking up, but I heard something like that. You know
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  Speaker 1: it was in the shower. So I got a shower,
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  Speaker 1: looked out the winter and her truck was gone. So
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  Speaker 1: I got dressed, got in my truck, tried to find her.
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  Speaker 1: That Did you do anything else at the house before
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  Speaker 1: you left? You try to did you pay your employees
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  Speaker 1: or you just left? I left at that point, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I left. It went yeah, after and trying to find her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've been It might have been five or
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes before I got a shower, dried off, and
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  Speaker 1: put my clothes on, you know, and got in the truck. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then I drove around just in the central Monkst
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  Speaker 1: Corner areas hotels. I checked hotels because I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: she's not safe here. She's gonna go to a hotel,
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  Speaker 1: and she's got you know, several hundred dollars to just
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  Speaker 1: you know, where'd you get the money for him? We
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  Speaker 1: do a cash budget every week. Okay, you're hearing her husband, Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: He was spoken to by police immediately since he was
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  Speaker 1: the last one to see her. Listen to this. You
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  Speaker 1: rode around for a whole haystack, yeah, needle and a
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  Speaker 1: haystagers exactly. So I just I sat there in the
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  Speaker 1: Bailo shopping center for a man. I was just trying
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  Speaker 1: to think, you know, I don't know, trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: this out, I guess, and I was like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna go home because she's gonna be back, just like before,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And that's when I did Derek's payroll. About
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  Speaker 1: what time do you think you got home? You look
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  Speaker 1: at the clock when you came in. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but it should be on a computer when you started
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  Speaker 1: doing pile. I got the payroll that's still sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the office because I hadn't had to check book to
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  Speaker 1: pay him yet and stuff. But yeah, I got that.
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  Speaker 1: It's on quick books. I got the thing printed out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean that was between eight and
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  Speaker 1: I'm somewhere when I first left the house, I guess somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and so I don't know. It might have been. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just guessing between nine to ten. Year you were hearing
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  Speaker 1: the husband speak perfectly, calmly and giving answers to everything
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  Speaker 1: police ask, But of course you have to ask the husband,
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  Speaker 1: the partner, the lover, the boyfriend, and vice versa. With women. First,
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  Speaker 1: he was the last one to see her before she
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  Speaker 1: got in the car and drove off with the baby,
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  Speaker 1: and naturally he's going to be questioned. First. Joining us
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  Speaker 1: right now a special guest, Katie Major mom Vicky Hall.
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  Speaker 1: She has created a website called Katie Kadie Katie and
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  Speaker 1: her Babies dot com. VICKI, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Thank you, Nancy. Vicky, tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the night that you discovered that your girl, Katie, just
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  Speaker 1: twenty six years old, and River just ten months old,
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  Speaker 1: had passed away. What happened? The husband showed up at
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  Speaker 1: our house at one forty four am and called my
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  Speaker 1: phone from the driveway, and Katie's dad answered and said, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: I need to come in and talk to you about something.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't say, Jeff, is Katie here? Is River here?
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  Speaker 1: And he came in with this story that Katie was
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  Speaker 1: had a premonition that someone was going to kill her
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  Speaker 1: and was shaken and trembling and wanted to leave the house,
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  Speaker 1: and Eddie told her just give me a minute, let
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  Speaker 1: me take a shower, and I'll bring you wherever you
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  Speaker 1: want to go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Vicky and
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  Speaker 1: her husband Jeff were awakened at one forty four am
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  Speaker 1: when Aaron suddenly showed up at their home and me,
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  Speaker 1: I would tell myself, Oh my god, what is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Why is Eron here sitting down in the port. She's
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  Speaker 1: never come in the middle of the night, Vicki says
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  Speaker 1: he told her when they arrived home after Aaron finished working,
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  Speaker 1: Katie started acting paranoid and stood in the doorway with River,
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  Speaker 1: refusing to enter. He said, when Katie got home, she
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  Speaker 1: said she had a premonition that someone was going to
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  Speaker 1: kill her. He said, She's standing there shaking and trembling,
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  Speaker 1: and she wanted to go get a hotel. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: I told her, let me go take a shower and
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  Speaker 1: then I'll bring you wherever you want. And he said
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  Speaker 1: he went and took a shower. He heard her trunk
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  Speaker 1: start and she's gone. Then, Vicky says, out of the blue,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron suddenly started going off on a string of bizarre
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Thank the world's coming in. Then you know,
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  Speaker 1: the government blew up the Twin Towers. They asked him,
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  Speaker 1: why are you talking about this? And that's the moment
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  Speaker 1: everything changed. Okay, I don't understand that either. You're hearing
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  Speaker 1: our friend Peter van Zand at forty eight hours reiterating
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  Speaker 1: what Katie's mom just told us. Vicky Hall with us
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  Speaker 1: along with Jessica Sanders PI, doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, and Anne Emerson WCIV ABC four. Back
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  Speaker 1: to Katie's mom, Vicky Hall. All right, so at that point,
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  Speaker 1: Katie's body had not been found near the railroad tracks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm perfectly familiar with where Monk's Corner is. It's got
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  Speaker 1: a low population surrounded by rural area. So at the
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  Speaker 1: time he came to your home, Vicky, you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: he had not. He didn't know what had happened yet,
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  Speaker 1: and he came to your home one forty four am,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of saying, hey, is Katie here, he started
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  Speaker 1: telling you about how she was paranoid. But then he
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  Speaker 1: started talking about the government caused the nine eleven Yes, ma'am, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Let me just slow this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: down for a minute with me. Everybody is Vicky Hall.
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  Speaker 1: You can find out more about her and Katie at
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  Speaker 1: Katie and her Babies dot com, created by Vicky. So
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  Speaker 1: he shows up, you guys, let him in. He sits down.
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  Speaker 1: What's his demeanor and what's the first thing he says,
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  Speaker 1: as you remember it. What was really odd was his
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  Speaker 1: demeanor when he told me they had gone to a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: I started asking him questions like this, Katie have her glasses?
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  Speaker 1: Does she have rivers portable bed? And he's sitting there calm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pulling my hair. I'm literally pulling my hair with
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  Speaker 1: both hands up to the ceiling. I'm like, what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? And he's sitting there extremely calm. I can
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  Speaker 1: still see him, and he had one hand cupped over,
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  Speaker 1: his other hand in his lap, and he's just completely calm.
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  Speaker 1: You said, Vicki that he the husband, Aaron Major said
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  Speaker 1: that night one forty four am, after he comes to
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  Speaker 1: your house, calm demeanor, that Katie went to a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: That they were at a hotel. Is that right? That's
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  Speaker 1: what he led us to believe. Interesting that she had
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  Speaker 1: a premonition and wanted to go to a hotel, and
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  Speaker 1: when he got in the showers, she left without him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, So he didn't confirm that she was at
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  Speaker 1: a hotel, but that she wanted to go to a hotel. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he let us believe that she had you know was
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  Speaker 1: there though, that she had went to a hotel somewhere. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: got it. What else did he say? He started wanting
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  Speaker 1: to talk about you know, I did want to call
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  Speaker 1: the police, and and he didn't want me to, and
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  Speaker 1: then my husband agreed that, you know, they probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything. At this point, Um, he started talking about
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  Speaker 1: the twin towers blowing up the government. Um. He wanted
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  Speaker 1: to act like the world was coming to an end
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  Speaker 1: type of talk. Um. I'm trying to remember everything that moment,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, about websites. He was reading on, Um, Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: project dot com and what wooa whoa Jessica Sanders private Eye.
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  Speaker 1: What is Jeremiah project dot com? It's a religious website.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's a lot of conspiracies in it, and
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  Speaker 1: he talks about, you know, the Antichrist, the end of time,
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it's actually a lot of different people's
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  Speaker 1: outlooks that are put into that website. But that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the only one he was looking at. There was several.
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  Speaker 1: But he was claiming that Katie was the one looking
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  Speaker 1: at these websites and was paranoid. But in fact, when
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  Speaker 1: I went through the computer history, I was able to
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  Speaker 1: find it. They were only looked at when he was home,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, the night that they went missing, he
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  Speaker 1: was on those websites for hours while they were missing,
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  Speaker 1: and the police never did catch up. Okay, wait, he
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  Speaker 1: was on those websites while they're missing. Yeah, before their
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  Speaker 1: bodies are found. Yes, okay, let me tell you what
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Project is about. Quote Bible prophecy and the end times.
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  Speaker 1: Hear this, America. Therefore I bring charges against you again,
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  Speaker 1: declares the Lord. Okay, a lot about charges against your
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  Speaker 1: children and your children's children. Mmmm. All about warnings and
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  Speaker 1: scary pictures painted in black and white, about how all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of people are guilty, that there are no political
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  Speaker 1: solutions for our spiritual problems. There are pictures of children
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  Speaker 1: crying with flames behind them to do It's got pictures
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  Speaker 1: of the Twin Towers smoking about to fall. Resist the
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  Speaker 1: new World Order. Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall shrink excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned psychoanalysts joining me out of Beverly Hills at doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Many many times I have told
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  Speaker 1: my investigators. I have told people working on cases with me,
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  Speaker 1: when you're looking for a perp, pick the nut if
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  Speaker 1: there is a nut involved in the scenario. That's where
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  Speaker 1: you look first. Why would he be talking about the
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  Speaker 1: twin towers and the government causing nine one one at
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  Speaker 1: the time, according to Jessica Sanders and Vicky Hall, who
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  Speaker 1: hurted herself, his wife and baby are missing. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't like doomsday talk. I mean, it's very clear if
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  Speaker 1: you're a Bible if you see an auto and I
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  Speaker 1: certainly don't claim to be a Bible scholar, but I
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  Speaker 1: know this, We're not going to know at the end
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  Speaker 1: of time. No human is going to know that they
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  Speaker 1: can be all the prophecies they want, but it's very
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  Speaker 1: clear that's not for us to know. So all of
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  Speaker 1: that is just a big waste of time when you
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  Speaker 1: could be out helping other people. That's our directive as
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  Speaker 1: Christians to help other people. Okay, so you're the shrink.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Bethany, If a person has homicidal feelings,
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  Speaker 1: it is often towards their most intimate partner, because that's
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  Speaker 1: where their strongest emotions are. When we feel resentment and
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  Speaker 1: the fear anxiety, usually it's in the context of our
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  Speaker 1: most intimate relationships. So here Katie's most intimate person in
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  Speaker 1: her life. At one forty five in the morning, goes
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  Speaker 1: and knocks on his in law's doors and he starts
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  Speaker 1: spouting all these doomsday prophecies. Now, my question would be,
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  Speaker 1: does he have a history of paranoia? Has he been
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist all along? Is this typical behavior for him?
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  Speaker 1: Or was he was researching on his computer while his
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  Speaker 1: wife and baby and unformed baby we're missing all these
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  Speaker 1: doomsday prophecies so that he could malinger craziness. And what
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  Speaker 1: I mean by that malingering is when you make up
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  Speaker 1: a fictitious or fake disorder in order to cover a
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  Speaker 1: crime or some consequence for negative actions. It's faking. So
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  Speaker 1: is he faking being crazy to throw the parents off
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  Speaker 1: of the trail? Is he faking that his wife is
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  Speaker 1: crazy in order to throw the police potentially and his
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  Speaker 1: wife off the trail. I feel like he's beginning to
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  Speaker 1: build an alibi. He's beginning to build a case for
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  Speaker 1: why he is not the one who would have murdered
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  Speaker 1: his wife, that she was involved in all these doomsday prophecies,
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  Speaker 1: and that also he's too crazy to commit a crime.
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  Speaker 1: He's talking about the twin powers, He's babbling about the
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  Speaker 1: end times and dead babies or whatever else is on
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  Speaker 1: waiting alone in case her sister came home. She noticed
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  Speaker 1: a highlighted Bible passage on the kitchen table. What did
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  Speaker 1: that I read that I will never forget is that
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  Speaker 1: the first one's son is to be sacrificed. I knew
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  Speaker 1: something wasn't right. Frightened, Sarah immediately called her mom to
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  Speaker 1: come get her. When Vicky and Aaron picked her up,
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  Speaker 1: both mother and daughter noticed something that would become etched
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  Speaker 1: in their memories. Aaron's hand. He had lifted his hand up,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, why is his hand so big? What
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know at that moment is sarah side too.
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  Speaker 1: It just almost looked like a monster's head, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just look bad. His whole fekers were swollen. Was it
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  Speaker 1: connected to Katie's disappearance? Vicki filed that detail and the
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  Speaker 1: other red flags in the back of her mind. You're
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  Speaker 1: hearing our friend Peter van Zanna at forty eight hours
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  Speaker 1: what happened to Katie? Major? Why was that particular verse
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  Speaker 1: in the Bible highlighted that the firstborn son is to
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  Speaker 1: be sacrificed. I guess that's out of the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 1: How could it be that that is highlighted Cheryl McCollum
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: on the night the baby is killed. Cheryl, you know
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: there is no coincidence in criminal law, correct Nancy. This
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: is going to come down to math for me. So again,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you say to yourself, there's thirty thousand two aside the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: year less than seventy of our trade, and of those seventies,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: nobody holding a baby, and nobody that's been documented with pregnant.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: To hold on a second. If you accept that its fact,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: then you have to look at this by much much more.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Then this was a suicide and walk away from it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be possible for you to accept
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that quickly, if at all. When you add the Bible
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: verse and then you look at her only injury, so
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you have a Bible verse the only son is to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: be sacrificed. She's pregnant with a son that she's already named,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: which means she's future planning, she's loving and caring for
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that baby boy Aden. Then you say, okay, she's going
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to commit suicide by train. How do you do that?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: When only your stomach is hit by the trade. I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I can't fathom how she's able to do that with
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: an old Cooman train and only your stomach is hit
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: with a two foot laceration. I mean, this is crime
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: seeing recontrol. Take a listen to this. At eleven thirty
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: one am, came a call from Aaron that would alter
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the course of her life. He said, I heard on
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the radio that there's an accident, a train hit a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: vehicle on Oakley Road and two people are dead. Vicky
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: headed straight to Oakley Road, but there was no train,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: no vehicle, no sign of a collision. Then as she
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: was leaving, she spotted Katie's truck, undamaged, about five hundred
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: feet from the tracks, and I just fell on my
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: knees and collapsed because I knew it wouldn't make any sense.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Her truck should never be here right here. Aaron was
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: her first call. And you tell him that you have
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: found the pickup truck? Does he cry out? No, not
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: at all? Okay, none of this is making sense. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the likelihood of committing suicide during pregnancy is extremely, extremely
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: hello statistically, I mean, see Grace, this is crime stories.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: What happened to Katie to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: exam erre joining us out of the state of Florida,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: what do you make of Katie's injuries. There's a couple
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of pieces of information that I would need to know
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in order to determine what an opinion would be of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the injuries. Number one, what is the speed of the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: trains as they go past that area where she was found?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Were they going two miles an hour? Are they going
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour? You know, this would help
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: me to determine if the injuries were caused in fact
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: by that train. So from what I understand, she had
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: lacerations of the stomach and possibly a broken leg. These
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: are typically injuries that are not found with somebody who
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: meets their end with a train. Typically we would find
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: much more devastating injuries, the spinal injuries, injuries to the head,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: injuries to all of the limbs, both arms, both legs,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: because you have to remember, after the impact with the train,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they are going through the air and land on the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: ground and have secondary and secondary impacts that also caused
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of damage. So minor damage or minor injuries
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the way that was described is certainly not consistent at
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: first blush with being impacted by a train. But I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: would have to know what the speed of the train
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: was at that time of the night, Jessica jump him. Yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: what they said. Back then, with the CSX being the train,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it would have been going around fifty five miles an hour,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and then they changed it last year to the AM track,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: which would run about seventy miles an hour. So in
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: her body was actually lighting six feet from the actual track,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: which you would think if you're hit. No matter which
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: train it was, she would have been thrown to the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: side pretty significantly. I mean, a five hundred pound cow
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: is thrown, you know, one hundred feet at least. Let
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: me ask you this, how far where was her vehicle?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Her vehicle was parked in a driveway, almost blocking the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: man strike ability to get in, and it was five
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: hundred feet from the crossing, and then her body was down.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I believe it was around half a mile from that point,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: so she would have had to walk that far. We
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: know that a forensic team came to the trucks. A
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: railroad worker had discovered the bodies around eight twenty that morning.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: They theorized she had been struck on the side by
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: an object hanging off the train because there had been
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: no report of a train accident. It's my understanding joining me,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Vicky Hall, this is Katie's mom. Tell me the demeanor
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of the husband, Aaron Major after Katie's body was found
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and he had he exhibited any of this abnormal behavior
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: regarding conspiracy theories and end of times doomsday websites before.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: No there there was none zero before and his demeanor
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: afterwards was very strange. The police told him to come
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to my house that morning when they know the bodies
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: were found, and he came to my house. I didn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: even know he was here. He was sitting on my couch.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: The police are in my house the corner. You know.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: My husband's in the bedroom screaming. We just found out
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: they're dead. And Aaron sat on the couch and didn't
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: say a word to anybody. He didn't come and say, Vicky,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: what do you know? He sat there with his head
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: looking at the floor. And then they took him away
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and he never acted normal after that. I never saw
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: him grieve. I never saw one tea or nothing. Well.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to this, he wanted
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: aid in the unborn son displayed publicly for viewing on
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: top of kating, go my Aaron. No, that wasn't the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: end of his bizarre behavior at the viewing, says Chad.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It was sitting there nonchalantly on the front repeal, eating McDonald's,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: drinking out of his big McDonald's cup. The dead bodies
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of his family are right in front. You can reach
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: out and touch him. He never said it here. He
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: never came and hugged anybody. There. Was the sickest thing
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I've ever witnessed my whole life. Two days after the funeral,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Aaron went in for surgery to mend his broken hand. Okay,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time taking that in. Did I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: understand that right? Vicky Hall, Katie's mom. He ate McDonald's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and drank out of a big McDonald's cup. Yes, ma'am,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: he did, yes, on the front road at the funeral home. Yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It's like he kind of guarded the bodies. He'd sit
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: there and eat and like nobody could get, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: get up there to them. But yeah, he just sit
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: there eating, eating French fries. A hammocker had this really big,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the biggest drink from McDonald's you can get, sitting on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that I want to get something clear regarding the timeline.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Vicky Hall, this is Katie's mom. Everybody, immediately after she
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: goes missing. You observe along with Sarah that his hand
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is swollen up, really swollen, as she said, like a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: quote monster hand. Yeah, is that correct? Yes, Okay, take
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a listen to this. Sarah, remembering that swollen hand, was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: convinced Aaron broke it while killing her sister. It just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: made me think, like, did he hit his hand on
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the train and pushing her into the train or fighting
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: with her. That's what made me know in my heart
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in my head that he was involved. Both Sarah and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Vicky say they had seen Aron's injured hand the morning
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the bodies were discovered, but Alex's investigation turned up another
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: explanation that Aaron injured it two days later at the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: funeral home when he punched a wall while choosing a coffin.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: We inquired with the funeral director and she said, yes,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I witnessed him puncha send a block wall. At first,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Aaron tried to make the funeral private, tell Vicky and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her family they were not invited. Everything was a fight
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: from the very moment they died to have things done normally.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Mother and daughter were in the same coffin. Miraculously, Katie's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: face was largely undamaged, and the family wanted an open
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: casket for Katie. And River climb stories with Nancy, Grace, Vicky,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and Jessica say there were more damning clues back at
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the house. Some stuff was knocked off a River's dresser.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: There was clothes on the floor, all of these jewels,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: they were all open in the whole bathroom. What does
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that suggest to you? There was a fight. I believed
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: there was a fight and she was trying to leave him.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that Katie Major may have died inside
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: her own house? I do. I think it's very possible
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that she died at the house. Their house, a potential
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: crime scene, was never properly processed. There's no photos, no
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: forensics search at all. If there was a fight, that's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: starting there luminal tests easy. They did nothing. Okay, that's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: very disturbing. You're hearing our friends at forty eight hours
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum, From what I have learned regarding Katie Major,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: her home, especially the baby's room, would never have looked
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: like this. Things knocked off rivers. Dresser just knocked off
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: clothes all over the floor, drawers were open that that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But no forensics were done at the home.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it, Cheryl McCollum. I don't understand it either, Nancy,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and there's just no excuse for it. Another thing that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: goes toward them having a fight. Her wedding ring was
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in her pocket. Now she supposedly drives this car and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: abandons it, but there's no car keys, but her wedding
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ring is the pocket That to me is indicative of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: somebody that is angered. Take that ring off, like I'm done.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So there was something that should have been followed up.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: To me, that house should have been combed through with
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: every forensic agent they had. If I could say something,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: not only do they not forensics the house, they never
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: went to the house and looked around when their bodies
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: were found. There's been nothing done. Fleet Lord, take a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: listen to this. Lewis and Cooke, Kenda did what Paulick
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and his team didn't do. Hello talk to Katie's closest friends.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Monday Cookenda says the cold case unit has confirmed that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Aaron told the original detective a huge line a potential
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: game changer. That's when I heard on talk radio ninety
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: four point three that there had been a person and
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a young child hit by the train in Berkelen County.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And I and just as Vicky had said, that was
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a bold faced line. There was no radio report. There
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: was no radio report. Well, why would he have told
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a story about hearing this report? Do you think I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: think he wanted Katie and River fawn? Okay, that is
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: one of the single most disturbing facts to me out
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of so many. First the hand was swollen like a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: quote monster hand. And then later at the funeral home,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: many many hours later, he suddenly hits that same hand
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: against the wall, thereby explaining the swelling. But this radio
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: report to Vicky Hall, this is Katie's mom, Is this true?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: He told, and I'm talking about the husband, Aaron Major.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: He said he found out about the train tracks on
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the radio, but yet that never happened. Yes, ma'am, knew
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he found out. He called me and told me to
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: go to Oakley Road that a train hit a vehicle
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and two people are dead. And the radio station said
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they did not say that. He told me to go
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to Oakley Road. Oakley Road was never announced on the radio,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: whether Berkeley County. Could you know there could have been
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: an announcement of Berkeley County. Berkeley County is huge. His
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: mistake is he sent me to Oakley Road and there
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was never Oakley Road was never announced on the radio,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and there was no announcement on the radio period. When
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he called me and said he just heard on the radio,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know that there was a train hit a vehicle
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and no train hit a vehicle either. So okay, that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: is a huge red flag to Cheryl McCollum. In my mind,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that's one of the strongest pieces of Evans. Before it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: out there, before the bodies have been found. He, according
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to Vicky Hall, is directing his wife's mother to where
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the bodies are. Yet it had not been made public.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: The keys to the vehicle were gone, although everything else
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was still in the victim's pocket. Who drove the car there?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Who had the keys? How did he fabricate a radio
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: report that never existed? He knew where the bodies were, Cheryl.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Not only did he know where they were, he had
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: already set the stage for what happened to them. He's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: already telling you a train hits them. So no matter
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: what you see, he wants you to accept that. If
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you already heard the pis say that a cow would
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: be hit a hundred yards, that baby was fifty yards
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: from her mama, she would have gone much further. Nancy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and somebody's punched in the stomach just with a fist,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: they go forward, Their face goes forward. Her face was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: without injury. The baby has no additional injury. The baby
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: was alive when she went in the water. Her little
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: loans will show that that statement alone is a money
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: tree and a game change with the wise cat. To
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the State of Florida, doctor,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: how could you tell if the lacerations on her body
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: half a mile away from her car, we're from a train. Well,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: there's nothing more devastating to the human body than being
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: hit by a train going at the reported seventy miles
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: an hour. The injuries would be on every part of
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: her body, including broken spine, severed spinal cord. Sometimes the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: intestines are then ejected from the abdominal cavity. A lot
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of times the brain is ejected from the cranial cavity,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you know, So there's nothing more devastating to the human
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: body than being impacted by a train, and certainly there'd
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: be no doubt that that was the cause of death,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you know, in her case, you know, I'd like to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: see the her injuries how to come from someplace, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: so it would be important to see what the pattern
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of that type of injury was. But it certainly doesn't
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: appear to be that of being struck by a train.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: We also know that Katie had just seen her doctor
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the day before. Vicky and Jessica went to work determined
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to show that Katie was not psychotic. They spoke to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: dozens of witnesses, including Katie's obstetrician, Christine Case, who examined
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: her the day before her death. I do not think,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in my professional opinion, that she had any depression or
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: postpartum depression. Back then, Olik and his team did not
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: speak to doctor Case, and Vicky says would not listen
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to what she had to say. She says she was
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: never questioned about her daughter's state of mind and what
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: had happened in the hours on that day that she disappeared.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: How could someone not have interviewed the family about those things.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I don't recall when she was interviewed, and they should
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: have been interviewed for those things. Are you darn right?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Our friend Peter van zandt there's so many theories abounding.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Vicky Hall, Katie's mom. According to her own she was
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: not depressed. She was not having any type of psychosis
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the very day before. So these stories about her being
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: paranoid don't make sense to me. No, they make zero sense.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I actually was with her after her ultrasound and before
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: her ultrasound with doctor Kase. She was so excited for
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: finding out she's having a baby boy. I was so excited.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Our whole family was so excited would be our first grandson.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And then she called me the night that she died.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: She called me when she got home. She called me,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and I talked to her at six forty three that night.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I was driving and and I don't know what happened,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: but I talked to her that night and she was fine.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: When she got home, she was in the house and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: she called me and she was fine. So Aaron's story
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't add up that she's scared, paranoid, shake and tremblin
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to go in the house. Tell me about
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: their marriage, VICKI, Yeah, they were high school sweetheart. I'd
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: known Aaron for ten years. They dated for five years
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: before they got married. They were like best friends. Aaron
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: was a very private man, Katie was very more outgoing,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and I just noticed changes after river Lyn was born,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: my first granddaughter, where he just seemed to really be
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: distant himself. I was getting concerned that he wasn't bonding
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with river And then Katie found out she's pregnant again
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: with a little boy the day before, but he just
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: seemed to be distant in himself. I'm not sure he
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: wanted the children. White she found out she was pregnant
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the day before. He found of tooth having a baby
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: boy the day before she died. But I'm not sure
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: he wanted a family. I believe he wanted Katie, but
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure he wanted the children. You know, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: was getting concerned. Okay, so I didn't realize she had
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just found out the day before she died. Did he remarry? No,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: he has not remarried him. From what I understand, he
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: has not dated another woman. What do you think is
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the problem with the law enforcement. I don't understand what
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the hold up is. Vicky in Berkeley County. It's called
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the good O Boys system. We have a new sheriff,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a new corner, but they're all related colleague wide to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the old administration, and I feel like they do not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: want to make changes here, change the manner of death
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: from suicide, because they're looking out for the previous administration.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Now I'm just trying to take everything into Jessica Sanders
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: private investigator clear View investigations. In my mind, there is
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: so much evidence it was actually reopened by the Sheriff's department.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: What a piece of evidence that I would like to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: add is that I had found any computer records, the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: same computer records that they hide back then. That at
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: ten am was like ten oh seven, which was an
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: hour and a half before Aaron called the he to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: send her to Oakley Road. He had searched on his
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: home computer two people found at Berkeley County, so he
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: was already looking to find out if they were if
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: they were found, yes, before he ever even talked to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Victor Cheryl McCollum. This reminds me so much of the
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Heidi Brussard case where her friend Megan Feara mousco is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: there at the delivery room and then ends up according
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to police, killing her best friend Heidi Brissard to get
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the baby, but before it was announced that the bodies
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: were found, she was looking up frantically, over and over
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and over deaths in the county, bodies Heidi Broussard. She
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  Speaker 1: was looking up all of that online before anything had
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  Speaker 1: been said about Heidi missing. So it's very damning if
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that time is correct. Vicky Hall is the timing of
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  Speaker 1: the husband, Aaron Major's Google searches. I understand he was
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  Speaker 1: searching for train deaths, train accidents. Was that before the
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  Speaker 1: bodies were found at ten o seven am. I believe
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  Speaker 1: I could have been ten h six, but he searched
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  Speaker 1: on the computer Jessica found it two people dead Berkeley County.
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  Speaker 1: He was searching to see if they were found. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't know they were dead. No one knew except law
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: enforcement that they were dead. We didn't know. And then
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  Speaker 1: after that he starts heading out of this area. He's
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  Speaker 1: driving halfway to Columbia, South Carolina, which is an hour
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and a half drive. He's halfway there when he calls
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  Speaker 1: me and tells me to go to Oakley Road. So
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: he's getting himself out of town at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, far enough halfway out of town, and then
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: he called me and tells me what he heard on
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  Speaker 1: the radio, which we've proven. What was his excuse about
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  Speaker 1: why he was halfway out of town so far away?
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  Speaker 1: He told me he was going to go search hotels
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  Speaker 1: in Columbia, South Carolina, and it made no sense. He
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to go to Somerville, a town, you know,
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  Speaker 1: right in the area and look at hotels, while I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: would go into another local area to look at hotels,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he starts headed to Columbia
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  Speaker 1: and it made no sense. Vicky. When you speak to
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff's what do they say. They led us to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: believe that they were going to be moving forward on
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the case up to the point of Colin Aaron the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: one and only suspect to the media, and now they're
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: backtracking and they're not doing anything. They won't change the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: ruling on the man or death. It's like they're protecting
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the system. What do you make of the note in
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Katy's pocket? Some people believe she was documenting her husband's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Internet searches. Yes, it looks to me like them are
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: titles of what you would find on the Jeremiah project,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and whether she was seeing next to him. You know
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: that that document, that paper only showed up the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours that it could have been written on.
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  Speaker 1: Whether she was sitting next to him as he's going
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: through this Jeremiah Project stuff and she's just making notes
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  Speaker 1: of what he's saying, or whether she went on and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: saw his search history and was writing down the titles
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that he was looking at and getting concerned. What was
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: on the note of a woman could be the anti
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Christ sacrificing a virgin baby. I might, you know, I
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: might not have every exact word something about Halloween, so
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: just titles that I know, looking back in the archivage
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: of Jeremiah Project, it looked like titles on there. What
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: about it? Jessica Sanders, I do believe that as well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: because we went on the Jeremiah Project and there is
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a search bar there where you can if you type
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: in one thing, it'll actually drop down and show you
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: interesting that's been typed in there, So you know, after
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that and some of the other stuff he was looking at,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: we do believe that that's what she was doing. She
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was worried and she was writing down the stuff. He
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: looked at the paper that she wrote those things on
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: was actually a worksheet of her brothers that had been
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: sacked to the home the day before. So that's how
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: we know that paper was fresh. It was only twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours. Was it in her handwriting? We haven't had
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it analyzed, but just from looking at it, we believe
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: some of it is. Katie's family has never believed she
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: was delusional, or that she would take her own life,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: or that she would murder her own child. If you
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: believe the case should be investigated as I do, please
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: call Berkeley County Sheriffs eight four three seven one nine
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  Speaker 1: four four six five repeat eight four three seven one
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  Speaker 1: nine four four six five. Also, if you want to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: donate to help the private investigation to help Katie and
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  Speaker 1: her babies get the truth and get justice, go to
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  Speaker 1: s go fund me account. It's at help Katie and
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  Speaker 1: her babies case get truth and justice. K A d
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  Speaker 1: Story signing off, Goodbye friend,