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MayaFest: Oliver Wood, Ana Egge, John Craigie, Kristin Andreassen, & Caitlin Canty on Maya de Vitry's New Album, ep. 348 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am so excited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is such a cool show today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Myedavitri has been on basic folk half a dozen times, only second to our favorite man, bestie marker, really, because we are so obsessed with her songwriting perspective from her time in the stray birds to her solo work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time she's been on the show, we try and do something special.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she's been on with her siblings, Nina and Lyle DeVeetry, her partner, the basis producer, musician, Ethan Yojevitz, and her musical besties, Shelby Means and Joel Timons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we heard about her fifth studio album, All My Faith,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We knew that we had to raise the bar on the best working songwriter today in this podcast opinion and do something very, very special.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maya was down with this idea and she invited Anna Eggie, Caitlyn Canty, John Craigie, Kristen and Dreousin and Oliver Wood on this episode so we could hear from some of her favorite writers on these new songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we knew that this was going to be a great experience but it turned out even better than we
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[SPEAKER_03]: the insight these writers share intensify Maya's new songs and give an even greater understanding of why they make such an impact and pack such a punch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be listening to clips from the new album throughout the episode, but I am so excited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is actually like the most excited that I've been to release an episode with Maya Dividre and Aegee Caitlin Canti, John Craigie, Chris and
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[SPEAKER_03]: on my first 2026 on basic vote.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, welcome to MyAfest, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am so pleased to have this great panel of singer songwriters and musicians here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MyAzavitrius here, hey Maya.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi Maya.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was hopefully hoping that everybody else could introduce themselves and let's go alphabetical order by first name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello, I'm Anna Eggie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have it to be here today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm next.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Caitlyn Canti.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, comes after Jay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Kristen Andreas, then here from Nashville, Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I think it's me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Oliver Wood here in the pollen-infested Nashville, Tennessee.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hell, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that was great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was like a first test to see how our brains are working.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that went pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we could do better.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That was a strong test for the introduction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this album, all my faith.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I first heard my a play these songs at Folk Alliance earlier this year in New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought the songs were so good like next level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it really made me want to know why these songs were so incredible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a musician or a writer of any kind, and I thought it would be a cool exercise to get other songwriter friends of Maya's together to dig deep and explain like what's happening with Maya's writing and what's happening with this record and what's happening with these songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is it about the lyrics, the phrasing, the melody that like is really outstanding?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody on the call had a chance to listen to the record a few times before this recording.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maya shared the lyrics, the album credits, and a track by track write-up for all of the songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Maya chose three songs for each person to specifically dig into.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, everybody is free to share comments on whatever songs you'd like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lucky for us, one of those songs that Maya chose for John.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She also asked Caitlyn to focus on this song is called All My Faith.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Somebody made the bed Talked in every side She's your baby blue A stretched across the sky I saw her shaped blade I saw her shaped cloud I will not let the beauty Go slip in by me now Rest against your chest
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[SPEAKER_06]: Wings against the sky I need to cool my skin From the elbows of your eyes Snow on the bridge Continent to the right I already chose my ocean I'm already on your side You can't believe me By the hand full of cool Let me stay naked Oh come
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to touch them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: With all my faith, I won't let you in.
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[SPEAKER_06]: With all my faith.
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[SPEAKER_03]: John, do you want to start talking about if you have any notes that you brought to share, though, be awesome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've known my for a while and we've done a couple of
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[SPEAKER_00]: up tours together and one of the, I think reasons I've always enjoyed playing with my and felt comfortable with sharing crowds with her as that I think are I really been my her lyrics and she's such a good lyricist and this whole album is just full of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a cool song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I didn't know it was the title track I just kind of dove in without looking at what the album was called.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one felt so strong, off the bat, and then I went a kind of zoomed out and saw it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always hard sometimes to pick a song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're gonna do it, an album named after a song or vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the groove on this one really stood out for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked that, the harmonies, I'm not sure who's doing the harmonies on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's my, or one of the players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the, I thought the piano was very epic, like, very 70s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: piano is so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this song is like a shot in the arm, I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really wanted liner notes like the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, are these people who I wanted to know more of this story, but it's kind of cool sometimes when you don't know and you're just, you're just really going in blind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say that throughout the record, Joel Timons and Shelby Means are
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[SPEAKER_03]: singing harmonies and sounded so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was just saying I loved that this was the kickoff song, the title track and the first in the whole sequence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really the mission statement or in a way for the record, but I felt like it was Maya's mission statement on how to live and had a spender time, you know, felt so personal at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's like a full party, the whole band there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, you know, that first song where I think on one of our earlier records, Wilderness kicks it off and that's like a different kind of swirling mysterious mission statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This one's like the parties here, it's on and it's live, you know, and we're gonna jump right in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to like what this is all about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to be around the bush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that choice to name it after the song, put it first and in line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that there was, there was a line I wanted to write down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want the kind of love we can never untangle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And her headwaters of laughter and headwaters are crying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will not let the beauty go slip and find me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, all of those little nuggets in this first song kind of tea for me, a lot of the other themes throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, well done on sequencing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well done on writing it, and I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want this as my mission statement, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Scrares in a line on the crosswalk Cutting off a pair of tatters If there's good times of waiting in a fable So these gals are here She was staring down and up and boxed Peeps are like a stench Cross-lacking on the floor at the airport Getting out, think I'll go ahead
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[SPEAKER_06]: The black tequila that are trapped inside a cactus But a flowery stouted her head What she said felt just like magic
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[SPEAKER_06]: You need me to hold something before you So you can stand up You need me to hold something for you So you can stand up Do you need me to hold something for you So you can stand up And I thought if Jesus back as a bachelor And hung over him to the sea
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it struck me as so gentle Pull the rug along my judge I thought if we talked to each other like that All around this country If we could hold a little something For somebody who is struggling
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[SPEAKER_06]: Carry out stuff, carry out all the tagging, so we've all got some.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We need me to hold for something before you, so you can stand up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We need you to hold for something for you, so you can stand up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We need you to hold for something before you, so you can stand up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I thought it's Jesus back, it's a bachelorette hungover in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the next song that we'll talk about is Bachelorette Lessons, which had John Craigie and Oliver Wood under.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Oliver, do you want to start talking about this track?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was kind of the first very first thing I thought of and I might, I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest one here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I might be dating myself, but as if anybody seen a movie called Being There,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Peter Sellers and yeah, but it's basically about a misunderstanding that takes something very shallow and interprets it as very deep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I realize that's not exactly what's happening here necessarily at all, but I think in my talk about your how you took your judgment and and turned it around and I think that's what was beautiful about it is your you turned your judgment from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, a hungover bachelor it to our modern day, un-Christ-like society, and it was more of a comment on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we need more of that kind of talk, you know, regardless of where it's actually coming from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just like how you flip-flop it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's both funny, all like any song that can be funny and deep perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was like Maya's John Pryn song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Very John Pryn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's always did at least one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and being living in Nashville, I've been here 12 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's totally hip to the, in fact, I wonder how it translates to people who don't know Nashville.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure, but I think somehow it's universal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell that it's a very casual encounter that you've turned into this beautiful thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know Nashville very well, but we do have casual counters in other places too, and Portland, and I thought it's funny how this could feel like this was down at my local Barlow authors to whatever it felt very, I guess Portland has that music town energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but it gets a great chorus on this song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was my friend Bart Budbillion, I've always talked about how certain words are so good and in songs and Jesus is such a good word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, song-wise, I always think of, you know, I was reading somewhere that the translation is like a Josh is sort of how it could have gone down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus kind of means and I was like, man, it's so lucky for popular music that is not Josh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great kind of Josh Christ.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joshua Christ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, if you think about so many, I mean, there's all obviously religious songs, but then there's so many, anytime I use Jesus in the song, you know, it had something about the cadence and the punch of it, Jesus, you know, it's really good for the song.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, things, wow, there's many for singing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Maya sings it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It punches really nice in the song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, great lyrics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a big fan of Maya's writing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was this felt so classic, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sweet, shout out to Bart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, Bart's going to look glad he's doing better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bart's going to love this song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be stepping up and yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a really cool, a little more stripped down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like where it sits in the record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ethan, your Jevets sequence this record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to Ethan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great name on that, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your Jevets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be in the song someday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love this song and I like the title because it's sort of like what you're saying all of her like like what's the lesson learned here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's learned from some bachelor arts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I love the title too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Insta classic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's our teacher and I'm out of what you judge about your learning.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Can I jump in on this one too?
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[SPEAKER_07]: if we're all just talking about Bachelor at Lessons.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So the first time that I clicked play on the link, I was at the dentist.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so I had my headphones on at my little sunglasses.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And this track, as soon as the chorus started, I just started weeping.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I literally, I tears going down my face like to the point that I had to apologize to my dental hygienist.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I was not expecting that Bachelor at Lessons was the one that was gonna get me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But I was weeping.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I went home.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, why did I cry at that song?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Every time I came on, I just kept crying.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I was singing it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's so singable.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's instant classic.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like gunna learn this song today.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I was so I'm a mother of a three year old.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I was singing this song with ever, because it just felt fun.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I was sitting on the couch, holding her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: and somehow somehow we started playing this game.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was like, is the lyric in the song?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Is you need me to hold something for you?
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[SPEAKER_07]: So you can stand up.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's the lyric in the song, but somehow ever and ever playing this game do you need me to hold this baby for you?
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[SPEAKER_07]: So you can stand up and I realize the reason I was crying is because I think that there's something about motherhood in this song that like that the big year of the bachelor rat who's reaching out to her friend,
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[SPEAKER_07]: what being a parent is it's the self-sacrificial instant response to help somebody and then as a mother so many times I felt like
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[SPEAKER_07]: the girl sitting across like it, I have to flag this lyric.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She looked up like Tequila had her trapped inside a catfish.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I have never heard a more amazing description of feeling hungover and yeah, but that's like motherhood is like the number of times I've been holding a baby and a bottle.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And like yesterday she spat her gum into my hand.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, where do I put this gum?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like I need someone to build something for me just so I can stand up and live and just be a human.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It just resonated so hard with me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And like all of us, I was both funny and profound.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I just, yeah, I can't get over this song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Up on all the rages, sometimes mountain's up The me breaks in heart, you're far away That's the first piece of pain Don't worry about me for forever, never been happy To the spins I'm tired of the mother-of-the-roll Couldn't take the internet
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[SPEAKER_06]: This means I've found a call back A good snack, a song, a song I look like what I do for work It's getting away with something But if you know, you know If you don't, well, I don't blame you I might be stressed so thin This wind could lift me like a kite
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[SPEAKER_06]: Tell me, drop me in the name of the baby If I feel this, if I disappear Don't worry about me for me I've never been happy Just in time, time for the rhythm of the road Couldn't take the evening at any more This seems I found a cold way With good smell of sunshine
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[SPEAKER_06]: This means I found a call to play This means I stay for so much in the pain and death I need a red or a streaky from the spring This means I follow all the signs I took every act that I'd never put
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's go to Cold Lake Good Snacks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: John Craig, Ian, Caitlyn, Cancie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you guys want to talk about this song, maybe Caitlyn, you can start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my I'd mentioned that a lot of the songs in this record are dealing with being honest about your relationships and this relationship with touring and being honest about the fact that it's not all fun and games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People get so excited, they see your tour map.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're going to these wonderful places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: four, five seconds and we're going to just blow onto the next town that it's from the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like such a dream life and it is, but there's the true difficulties and the real wear and tear and the missing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's one of the other things that you have to blow by all those exits you'd like to take.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this song, I mean, it's not, I don't think it's just for those of us who travel that same road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like another one of these how how you manage your your time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this record to me, at least in the songs I had to really zoom in on, are all about considering what you do with your precious time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this one is what you do with your precious time as an artist, you know, what choices you make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You take your art out to share it or do you go to that cold lake with those good snacks and just stay there for eternity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got to say that's the we wanted to talk about the craft of songwriting and like unpack some of these these moves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like I wish I could unpack this move this song has a bridge up toward the end the last song that it's just like so profoundly exciting it gives you chills if you listen to it for 20 times I mean it keeps going and rising.
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[SPEAKER_01]: further into this dream state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like the rest of the song is on like the road level, the wheels are turning the tired of the rhythm of the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That line was just like the full song and then she breaks free of that mode into this bridge that sends you soring up into that dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, I want me to tell you how she did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those gorgeous moments that I wanted to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a great opportunity for me to put this crew together and talk about my music because every time my record comes out, I feel like I'm talking to my friends about it like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I have a platform to like really rave, but the reason one of the reasons is, but besides being a great songwriter, she writes these songs that are
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I got into songwriting, it was because I heard music and songs that moved me and I couldn't figure out how something could move me in such a way and I wanted to figure out how I could maybe do that, you know, just, and it was artists I didn't know and, you know, the, the Tom Petty's McGillian Welch and the Bob Dylan's and those were the heroes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the really cool thing about Maya is I know her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've known her since the early days of Nerfha and that weird hotel room in Caronkson where we had to put the air out our fresh little baby songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she's like a mortal hero.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's crafted these gorgeous tunes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, every time,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hear them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They hit me in a way like any stranger could have written this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also like she, she crafted this thing and felt this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, I, I just, I didn't get a chance to explain how I knew mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to explain why this is, to some wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: John, top that.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are so good at this.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go into this.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking because I'm, I give the worst interviews like when I have to
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up treating the interviewers like the cops, you know, I'm like, I ain't saying, you know.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the good guys here.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know it's not even the interviewers are so nice.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like it's one of my things where I'm so bad at, yeah, everything Caitlin said was so good.
23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, yeah, this is a great song that the production is amazing, the pedal steel, and the organ together.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who produced it again.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was like, I want to look at the liner notes.
23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Maya, Maya, please don't.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I know surprised there, but, but the, yeah, everything is so, yeah, well layered in the song.
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You made a good point too about how, from the outside, all of us know this, you know, people who don't tour can really romanticize it and project a lot on it and there's so many aspects of it that you only we know about and and there's so much not only struggle, but also just like mundaneness and but then there's these little things that sometimes mean more than the show
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: understanding except you in that moment.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this song felt like to me.
24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
24:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what maybe Kate, when we were stuck, you know, or in Kristin, on the, about your kid just being a parent, like the, the sacrifice of being a touring musician, where, you know, it does look glamorous from from the outside.
24:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it even feels glamorous
24:46
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I just think of it in terms of the my kids growing up or what I missed it with my family being at home and it's like that's the price or that's kind of like the sacrifice and I. I kind of have a what's turned into a stick for my interviews John like and it's not even a stick.
25:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just something that I remind myself that all this that sacrifice is.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: even more.
25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I think when we started this, when we started in this business, we're always like, it's exciting.
25:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fresh.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: People are paying attention to us.
25:25
[SPEAKER_02]: There's an ego aspect to it.
25:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're finally doing what you're love.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And you actually, somebody paid you for a gig.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's all those initial things, but then you get to travel and all the stuff.
25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of that stuff wears off.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And for me, it's totally worn down to, I don't really, well, I never want to leave home.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I love being home so much.
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not one of those life or guys on tour forever.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna be that guy, I don't think.
25:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will say what's made it all sort of worth it and works of price worth it is when you know, occasionally people like you said John occasional moments and for me it sometimes when people come up after a show or you get an email or something and someone says, hey, you've got me through a really tough,
26:10
[SPEAKER_02]: time and or this music makes me really happy and I my kid turned me on to it or vice versa I kid turns a grown-up turns a kid on to it or but it's the it's the thing about the year doing some of something important it's not just self-indulge anymore it's like oh these people need this they need to escape from the real world or they need to be connected with each other and and I can help you know what I mean and that part sounds corny
26:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a little bit of a stick at this point, but I've never stopped thinking about that now when I'm directing leaving home, I'm just like, all right, time to go out and do important work, you know, it's like it's like Malcolm Hulk, it's like Malcolm Hulk, it's like Malcolm Hulk, I'm used to say, we're in the service industry.
26:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he meant it serving souls, you know, we're in the service industry.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that.
27:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the one of the reasons why the music biopic, I think always seems to not really, not that it financially fails, but for me, it's always kind of like doesn't hit.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was watching some sports movie recently, some sports.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: drama and sports have to have the obvious like big moment, right?
27:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have the final at the buzzer score.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But a musician's life is made up of so many of these little obscure sensational moments.
27:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that you can't really compress into, you know, a two-hour movie and I think
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing is like what you just said there's the things that really are significant to us are these very small and what some might view as insignificant just a conversation you're having with someone who came to the show, anything like that.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's it's just really hard to distill into some sort of like scene of success, whereas we know better that it's all, it's just like sprinkled out like little grains of salt.
28:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really, yeah.
28:07
[SPEAKER_06]: If you find, when we are walking, petty on ground, you know well, petty can be saved.
28:27
[SPEAKER_06]: But if you find, when we are talking,
28:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It will be gone, if it is not giving away.
28:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Go down the ceiling, you can keep it high, you sure.
29:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Takes on me up.
29:05
[SPEAKER_06]: You see it on the ground But there are ages here between us Deep inside the soul They must be shaped If they are too far
29:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's go back to track number two.
29:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to track number two, coin in your soul, which Maya wanted to hear from Kristen about, which I think is like, this is the perfect Kristen song.
30:03
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm so, now I want, I want to know, I want to know more about that.
30:10
[SPEAKER_07]: I love this song.
30:12
[SPEAKER_07]: I also could see talking about it in a pair.
30:17
[SPEAKER_07]: Could I do that with one of the other songs that Maya asked me to talk about?
30:21
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll allow it.
30:23
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, because, so,
30:33
[SPEAKER_07]: deceptively simple structure about finding a penny on the ground, and it being a metaphor.
30:39
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think that this song is about what you give away and how, you know, you can become richer by giving something away than by holding onto it.
30:50
[SPEAKER_07]: It reminds does remind me of a lyric in one of my old songs.
30:54
[SPEAKER_07]: I've, I've got, I had to write my own lyric down.
30:57
[SPEAKER_07]: I've got a little bit of love left untasted.
31:03
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like that was that was a lyric from one of my songs and I feel like
31:07
[SPEAKER_07]: we as songwriters often are trying to communicate this idea of the the personal gift of being generous and I think Maya's done a really amazing job in this.
31:18
[SPEAKER_07]: She's also referencing a Spanish poet who I don't know but I need to go find his work Antonio Machado inspired this song in some way.
31:26
[SPEAKER_07]: So, but the flip side of this, I think it really pairs well with this other song called Adaptation
31:37
[SPEAKER_07]: I think there's this balance we're trying to find in life, just like Caitlin and others have been saying, I feel like this record is very much about how we choose to spend our time in the lessons that lead us to those choices.
31:50
[SPEAKER_07]: And adaptation is kind of like where generosity starts to become self-sacrifice, and actually this idea of giving something away
32:03
[SPEAKER_07]: is only builds you up until it doesn't, until it starts to drain you, until it starts to make you blessed or then, right?
32:11
[SPEAKER_07]: So she has this line in adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I guess we love whatever blade we use our time to sharpen, double down our sacrifice and let our new shell harden.
32:20
[SPEAKER_07]: It's really incredible.
32:21
[SPEAKER_07]: This song is about the ways that we build a skill that ends up not serving us,
32:33
[SPEAKER_07]: be careful what you get good at.
32:35
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like this, this song was like really speaking to me.
32:39
[SPEAKER_07]: So I don't know if that's one of the reasons that Maya gave it to me, but I think, you know, all of us, especially in the service industry.
32:48
[SPEAKER_07]: Tend, you know, we become really good at finding the way that we can give to others and sometimes don't take care of ourselves.
32:56
[SPEAKER_07]: So anyway, I just see these two songs as being related, maybe because they were both assigned to me, but I see them as two sides of a coin and they also are both about, you know, I think they're speaking to this really present moment of we have increasing income disparity.
33:11
[SPEAKER_07]: throughout the world.
33:13
[SPEAKER_07]: And this almost gamified acquisition habit of the very rich.
33:20
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think she does this beautiful job of speaking to
33:25
[SPEAKER_07]: like why that doesn't serve anyone.
33:28
[SPEAKER_07]: Least of all, perhaps the very rich, you know, she says any animal can be a prisoner of adaptation, right?
33:33
[SPEAKER_07]: So there's this planet with a castle full of haunted billionaires.
33:37
[SPEAKER_07]: They did not build the kingdom, but they like to call it theirs.
33:40
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a parasitic picture, but they've really honed the caption, gets cooked up like a recipe and sold.
33:45
[SPEAKER_07]: like it just happens.
33:46
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that so like these billionaires are adapting to the notion of like I've become good at making money.
33:53
[SPEAKER_07]: I need to just keep making money.
33:55
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
33:56
[SPEAKER_07]: I just that's what that's what I see in these two songs and it uh it just felt very current and also very you know full of the small detail that allows a listener to connect and find themselves in a song.
34:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't promise, but somehow I've always kept it I'm in my ways to find slides, just don't know if I get it I guess we love whatever blade wins our time is short
34:52
[SPEAKER_06]: sacrifice that a new shell of we get good at our situation just to keep our from back and we and I can't be a prisoner or anything.
35:26
[SPEAKER_06]: And makes these plans with the kids so full of haunted buildings They did not build the kingdom, but they liked to call it theirs It's a Paris city picture, but they will really own the kitchen It's good to block a recipe
35:52
[SPEAKER_06]: So like it just happens, we give you light our situation Just to keep the life we're making, and the end more can be A prisoner of adaptation My brain is like a cannon
36:14
[SPEAKER_06]: It thinks in tiny boxes, I can't find a decent dinner inside of me I'll wait for a stop, I think I need a season two I'll tell the lives of me, and I'll go all the ways of mist you All the time, and I spent late
36:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep rolling on adaptation, Anna, do you want to chime in?
36:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
37:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
37:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I love this song.
37:04
[SPEAKER_04]: So interesting.
37:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I loved immediately how.
37:07
[SPEAKER_04]: You flipped the, you know, usual positive connotation with that word adaptation.
37:14
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's usually my takeaway when I hear, I think of that where it is that, you know, it's like, oh, I'm able to roll with it and you know, here I am still still strong, still showing up.
37:25
[SPEAKER_04]: But this other side of it, then to use the word prisoner with it, a prisoner of adaptation.
37:31
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so right it's so interesting to kind of flip that script and.
37:38
[SPEAKER_04]: expose this, you know, other side of just, you know, keeping up to just and doing everything to just have things stay the same, like do the status quo, just keep things as they are, don't step out of your lane, you know, all that all that stuff, I love the melody to yeah, I, I feel like there's,
38:01
[SPEAKER_04]: This whole record in these songs, there's like there's just a lot of vulnerability and kind of making space for recalibrating where you are as a human and and this this song really speaks to that so directly I mean also the the one about touring to you know and just saying you know this is I I'm in this moment in this moment is where I have the choice and that's always the place of power.
38:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, keep your heart from breaking to keep your life from, what is it, from making, no, to keep the life you're making?
38:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, instead of that, you know, you're like, how about not?
38:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
38:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can I say one thing you said vulnerability and power and I've written that down.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the things about Maya her lyrics and her singing choices or abilities.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always marveled at she even just a subject matter of like
39:12
[SPEAKER_01]: saying that through that cold, like, good snacks on hinting that touring might not be so as wonderful as the only life path we can choose.
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Our currency is mystery.
39:24
[SPEAKER_01]: She's letting herself say, well, she's showing that life without any makeup on and without the lights on stage, you know?
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: and that that vulnerability is in the lyrics in her perspective.
39:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But the part that's really easy to see is it's in her voice.
39:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's so many like whispers to drawers or the dynamics.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The dynamic range is so profound and I feel like that is on the
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Those of us who come from like solo focusing or songwriter situation that at the start, that's not necessarily the way that path leads is usually like very lyric focused, very a smaller existence, and I all often wonder if like Maya's way, somehow.
40:06
[SPEAKER_01]: like that's her early stray birds education of the three-part harmonies, the string band, trio, touring like mad, writing and healthy competition with bandmates, like that kind of education, if that like stretched those boundaries of her quietest and loudest or her highest and lowest notes.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like those
40:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always noticed that she allows herself to be vulnerable, and that is the most powerful thing.
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And the more vulnerable she is, the more powerful she is, and it just keeps, you know, growing.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, I'm taking notes.
40:40
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, can't wait.
40:42
[SPEAKER_07]: Can I sort of second what Caitlin just said?
40:45
[SPEAKER_07]: Because it seems like a moment to say something else that I really felt enlisted into this record, knowing that it was recorded live over three days.
40:55
[SPEAKER_07]: Just the bravery of expressing that kind of vocal range in what you know as a live recording session with a whole band, you know, waiting on you dependent on you like, you know, the clock ticking and to go from that whisper to that roar and
41:11
[SPEAKER_07]: to really allow such free expression in a live recording session.
41:16
[SPEAKER_07]: I just kept thinking, like, this is the kind of record that could never be a debut record.
41:22
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, like, it's the only kind of record that somebody can make who's made some records and had that other kind of experience of really thinking going into the studio and making a layered record where you use all of the tricks of the studio to make choices about each track.
41:41
[SPEAKER_07]: like observing water in rocks.
41:43
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just like they're just you're letting the music just go where it needs to go.
41:48
[SPEAKER_07]: And you just like can't do that until you've had the other experience.
41:53
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
41:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the way beautiful.
42:19
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're over it, but you lost some magic trick in time That is for living out
42:52
[SPEAKER_06]: And days that I'd like a wish Seen live the gifts of your own lives And you'd like to.
43:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's back track one song.
43:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about the song Occasional Oranges, which I also found to be a little John Prynish in certain ways, but Anna, what did you think about Occasional Oranges?
43:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, so it's so whimsical.
43:36
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like John Pryn and Kate Bush came together.
43:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, to write a song, first of all, like the lyrics to write a song that's this.
43:44
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, also the vulnerability of being so sensual.
43:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I remember in my writing when I first started, you know, really going there and that's a real vulnerability and it's beautiful and the that's expressed also in that the melody that keeps rising and rising going up and going up and going up, you know, it had it keeps that sort of sense of of mystery and time just kind of being suspended or something like.
44:16
[SPEAKER_04]: the magic trick.
44:17
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, the idea of the metaphor.
44:22
[SPEAKER_04]: that our bodies can't make, don't make vitamin C, and we need it, that what if our, if our selves no longer knew how to make love or feel love, it's fascinating.
44:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never, never would have thought of that.
44:40
[SPEAKER_04]: And I happen to be in a very like super, super orange phase.
44:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I have one almost every single day for dessert after dinner.
44:49
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, oh my god, it's orange, it's my song.
44:52
[SPEAKER_04]: That's okay, no.
44:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, that's my usual orange.
44:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Usually orange is.
44:56
[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
45:20
[SPEAKER_06]: There's nobody else I made you promise it if I died first You grabbed me up and saw it fleece blind again
45:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Why, but back there in the kitchen There's some, some, about to sit long I just got over taking my summer pain Guess I'm still walking through it You walked in and I took it out on you
46:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's hard to pick a favorite on this album, but I think this is, this is my favorite nobody else and Caitlin and Maya kind of reminds me of your co-right song odds of getting even just a little bit of like turning it on your head and stuff so yeah, what did you guys think of this Caitlin you want to start?
46:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I don't know what else is assigned this one, but I absolutely, I just adore this song.
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people talk about phrasing when someone's singing their lyrics, like phrasing, so you hear the lyrics.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So you hear the words, you know?
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that, oh, good phrasing.
46:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it gets thrown around a lot.
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want this song just is, is the, the groove is so deep and her words are what?
47:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Our is is cementing that groove.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what's locking it down and playing with that same time.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this song.
47:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the joy and a sing-long is so tangible.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time you hear it, you want to know all the words you can sing along with the chorus, you know?
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not what I expected would be happening when you hear the first verse that comes on.
47:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a little more of a classic country soul kind of.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a love song.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody else I want to grow old with or like period, very clear cut except.
47:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The chorus from there goes on in a absolutely conversational almost like written down verbatim way, right?
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the chorus is also this arm out the window driving in the summertime singing along at top voice.
47:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Banger, and it's like, how did this just happen?
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting that.
47:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the way that this song plays on your expectations of what, you know, there's nobody else very simple idea and just throws it out to like, I don't know what just happened with our argument in the kitchen.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It becomes this, going from some kind of like, could have been written anywhere country song trope into real love, like real,
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Good bad ugly domestic.
48:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoops.
48:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I I just turned my claws on you because there was nobody else So there's like the nobody else reading of year the love I want to spend the rest of my days with and then there's the nobody else reading of like that loneliness of like I'm sorry you see me at my worst because there's nobody else here.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the only one
48:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, that's obviously great craft, but it's like, you don't see the seams on my songs, the way she stitched it together, you just feel it.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I just keep going back to these songs, wondering, like, how did this work again?
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how did she do this?
48:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And this song for me is such a treat to listen to, like, is the price of feeling so at home that I take you for granted?
49:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that just sums it up.
49:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That lyric sums it up, but
49:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's such a wonderful thing when you hear a song for the first time, you never get that again, right?
49:12
[SPEAKER_01]: There's that at first listen, but this song doesn't wear out on repeat of listens.
49:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It just kind of feels like it's absolutely one of those gems that would.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had heard this one, I was just starting out songwriting.
49:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just like, this is what I want to do with my life.
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was, that's what launched me on that comment earlier.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's so, so good.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so good and a joyful thing along.
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, can I say one thing, I mentioned her stray birds up bringing.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like this sort of like, um, thinking of the backup singers on this sort of song, like,
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to hear those harmonies, but I think you also think of the back of singers as like who's singing along in their truck as they drive down the road listening to this number and and mine has a unique ability to really like put the she highlights some of her lyrics that you just can't help but sing along with or or or feel.
50:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm like fan girling out but I went to a Bob Dylan show.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was told to lower my expectations because you usually can't understand his what he's saying.
50:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to understand where you just mumble things at you.
50:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, and I thought it was profound.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard this beautiful,
50:23
[SPEAKER_01]: show he put on and he just sent these, the words that I felt like you really wanted you to hear or delivered in this clear burst of light that just hit you, straight in the heart.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that maybe that I just felt like this song is, I mean a lot of those, it's like the whole thing just hits you straight in the heart.
50:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Maya has that ability to send him, send him that you, and I wish I wish I could figure out.
50:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Cindy, I feel like your task does, but like, explaining how this is done, and I'm like, telling me how it is done.
50:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What the code.
50:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
50:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Crack it.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
51:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Oliver was the other assigny to this.
51:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
51:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I happily married, dude, and actually having an grocery tomorrow, this reminded me.
51:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It strikes a lot of words like Caitlyn just mentioned that line that kind of says it all, just the, you get so comfortable, which made me that relates back to the adaptation song too, you know, you take things for granted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the, I don't know, something else that really struck me was the line about, um, nobody else looks, looks the wounds of the world sold me, I think,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think of that a lot, learning many times the hard way, like the, you know, those, those wounds that you lick figuratively are also ones that you aggravate, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like those old, are things that you have to learn not to trigger or have to understand when they've been triggered to understand someone's reaction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's part of being intimate with somebody and close to somebody
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not about me, that's not about me, that's not, that's not there stuff, that's my stuff for that's not my stuff that's there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But something I always struggled with as a sort of introvert dude who came up in a not very expressive family was that vulnerability was, you know, the weakness that's a typical feeling for men to have, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and to learn how it's a strength and we're talking about my strength and vulnerability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's one of the things in a relationship that you realize is that how much of a strength vulnerability is and to be able to say, hey, that's that wasn't your fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was me, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: aware of what you're feeling about something and being able to express it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm still working on that every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's always worth it if you do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But vulnerability, gling strength, I really, I like that theme that's come up a couple times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really a big one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The next song, Confidence of the Sun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in my head right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hannah, Iggy, would you take it away?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thanks all of us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've teed me up perfectly because
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[SPEAKER_04]: The impediment of that, I feel like there's like a kernel to this record.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It might be the song for me, including you saying, Cindy, that you here in your head.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's partly maybe because there's so much unison singing and repetition of the title in the song.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All the confidence of the song.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The first time I listened to it, I thought,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is this about, is this about someone, my, for example, the eye and and is it potentially about someone else they are looking up to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think I made it think it thought that because of literally the sun looking up to the sun being above you and aspiring you know towards.
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[SPEAKER_04]: having the confidence that another expresses, but then second listening I was like oh no this is this is my or the I self accepting and standing in that that place of confidence and knowing that their life is dining and that
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're, I think, is that right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I think the song is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, the simplicity of that statement.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Being sort of like an incantation or a mantra almost like said over and over and in unison with the other singers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's It feels like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It feels like
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[SPEAKER_04]: like a heart beat and acknowledgement over and over.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I am the light, this is the light of mine, I guess sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, and then it has spread out towards the end or the harmony and the sort of like the light shining out more, not just acknowledging that it's that your light is shining but that what the sun does is bead all of us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so acknowledging that you're love and you're light is,
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[SPEAKER_04]: shining in that you own that with a confidence of like, I don't know what the word is, but knowing that it just beams out and that's for everybody.
55:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this is another perfect Christian song and I thought I feel like this song is like the most vulnerable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: song on the album.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to say a couple of things like, so this song is about Maya's grandmother who passed away and there's a couple of things that happened between Maya and her grandmother and this song that I find to be like some of the most vulnerable actions I've heard in a song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In a way that it's almost like
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[SPEAKER_03]: and no offense to be taking to this Maya, but I was like a little like, oh, do you really want to share this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like be so vulnerable, but it's just, I've like listening to this record and like thinking about strength and vulnerability, it's like sitting differently with me now.
56:48
[SPEAKER_03]: This is also a top-fave, my traveler.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've stopped in just a little bit of windows.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've created all your feet in my hands She'd apologize for a range of skin But she's still letting me play with her hair We made it a crown, silver and thin She insisted on carrying all that she could The milk was too heavy, but the spoons were good
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[SPEAKER_06]: She was a traveler's heart Oh, I still been something You set off somewhere unknown Travels so light and unencumbered And leave everything that she owned And you set off somewhere unknown
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[SPEAKER_06]: Walking on from the so-to-fountain That's where memories flimped in Baby, your girls won't write up to her You should park, they both gave a sense sure and climbed in And a friend jumped into the front seat And made the marlin' slid into the back And now they're forever
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[SPEAKER_06]: She said I just climbed in, that was it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She was a traveler heart, almost a bit something to set off somewhere unknown.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Travels so light and unencumbered and we've everything that she'll.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And just set off somewhere unknown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kristen, what did you think?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Traveler.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's so beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it does harken back to the coin in your soul song, which says we are travelers.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So the chorus.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The chorus is just so extraordinary to speak about a person who's about to die as a traveler and that they are able to leave the world so light so unencumbered, what does it say?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, to try out and trap.
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[SPEAKER_07]: To set off somewhere unknown and travel so light and unencumbered is just such an extraordinary description of dying.
59:44
[SPEAKER_07]: But that was another one of the moments that just made me tear up on this record and to frame it, you know, as part of my as notes, you know, want to understand is that part of writing the song was a processing of.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe my in real life wishing that her grandmother's death had gone differently, that she had been able to be there and some of this chorus just feels like the release, not just of her grandmother's soul, but the release of that guilt also because like her grandmother wasn't taking any resentment with her shoes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: leaving.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_07]: And Maya and her grandmother had so many moments to connect over the course of life.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_07]: So this and it feels in this song like those moments were fully taken advantage of.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_07]: And you know, one of the lines that really struck me was, um, I once tried to kiss her, had three times in a row.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_07]: No, just one.
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_07]: She said, that's enough.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it feels like such a, again, just such a mature songwriter idea that when you've said something once, you know, why is it a good David from I don't know, like it's just like you to find the right amount of emphasis is such an art and it feels so forgiving of.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, the things that we may be regretted to do in our relationships enough times, you know, if it was done well once, maybe that's enough, it's just a really beautiful song, but and I also agree with you, Cindy, that I feel this vulnerability, especially in in my as boys on this track that.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_07]: It just really pulls me in.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_07]: Like there's something from the beginning of the track that feels like I'm going to tell you a personal story.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm ready to hear it.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm not sure how to put that into words, but there's an acceptance of the fragility of sharing a personal story.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_07]: There's something in the actual quality of the singing here that just feels special.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_07]: And I like where it sits in the sequence on the record.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_07]: I love that this credit or this album has a credit for the sequence, I need the new Jevets.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that too.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_07]: I love that this album has a credit for the person who cooked the food for the musicians.
1:02:15
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I feel like this is so...
1:02:18
[SPEAKER_07]: It, yeah, it's just, you know, it's just really calling up the things that are important and you sort of don't realize those things.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe until you have some perspective.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_07]: So anyway, I just feel like this sits sits in a good place on the record and it sits in a good place in life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Best shout out on the album to Hershey Park.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, she park.
1:02:42
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the story.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the, hey, do you girls want to write up to her she park like the story of her grandmother to, you know, like telling a story of how she met her grandfather, right?
1:02:53
[SPEAKER_07]: That's, that's what that is.
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The details, the details that actually matters, you know, like when we, when we end our lives, there's like one or two stories that
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, become the things we leave as memories and we travel on.
1:03:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, we were actually at the last song in the album, no time to rush.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no time to rush, it's all tangled and delicate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's all on me and hairbrushes Shorlons of elegance I am still in the canyon I might never leave I saw a million years In one band of the river and I Guess it just changed the way
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think about forever And there's no time, no time, no time, no time, no rush We have too far, too far, too far, too far to go And I'm always, I'm always, I'm always my love
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_03]: All of her wood would you take a song?
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, John was here so that he, like, he said there's some cool about going in cold, and I...
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_02]: made it very, I made sure that I didn't look at any of the notes about this thing until I just listened to it.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to have any preconceived notions about what this song about or or even which song did I get chosen for.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really glad I did that because that's how I like to approach like if you go see a movie and you have no idea you have no expectation which is kind of
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a good movie, it's just much different if you have nothing at the, you know, don't know what takes back.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was really excited to get to be on this song or be able to talk about this song because this, this one was my favorite and I think it's perfectly placed and has some of my favorite poetry, just the first verse alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just love, there's no time to rush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all tangled and delicate.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all honey and hair brushes.
1:06:31
[SPEAKER_02]: like honey and hair brushes, that's, does that something that happened, does that happen to you, maybe?
1:06:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, that's a beautiful, I get that immediately somehow.
1:06:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the melody, especially the forever, which is three octaves above that, but it's I just absolutely love that pinnacle.
1:07:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I think a theme that was already mentioned was just time in general and how to make the most of it and how to interpret it and and I love the idea like when it was the first song said that you like how there's an hour glass inside of us.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that, that really stuck to me and I think of that image throughout the album like that keeps coming back to me and it's cool that you put that image in the first song, but then you talk about the, you know, how you change the way you think about forever and I just love that I love all things time related and making the most of time and how we change our.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_02]: our interpretation of it and how, you know, cliche these days, but when we do slow down and stop time somehow or at least be in what I've heard called vertical time, where time's not moving forward or backwards, it's just right here and it just goes up to this guy and down here in the dirt, you know, it's a miracle time like here in that moment, you know, which
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_02]: the the perfection is a lie idea.
1:08:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think as artists we talk about that quite a bit where, you know, our favorite part of a record is when you hear somebody make a little mistake or you hear a little pitchy moment or a little noise that probably was not intentional.
1:08:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So the the things that we don't have control of are the best things, you know, so
1:08:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, that really interesting control and trusting feeling that comes from perfection as well.
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even try for it.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that you recorded the way you recorded it and you recorded it with that in mind.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You recorded this album with, we're not going for perfection or we're going for vertical time.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going for whatever happens.
1:09:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to capture it.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these songs, but that one really stuck out and stuck out to me, really love that song, so thanks for putting me on it.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_07]: Could I add one thing about so agree with all of her and everybody about how glad I am that my record at this record this way?
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_07]: But I also listened to the record through with before reading the notes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so it was a surprise to me to read that it was recorded live.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Because it doesn't sound with no edit.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, with no edits.
1:09:46
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right live and just complete takes.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_07]: That wasn't how I absorbed the record.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_07]: I felt like it didn't sound like a live record.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_07]: It just sounded alive.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_07]: It just really sounded like it was a living creature.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_07]: So that's just an incredible testament, not just in my habit with a whole band, everybody who played on it.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_07]: It just really breathes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we did it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Maya, we didn't hear from you this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What was that like, well, I just, I just hope that everyone who is here understands just how much these songs would not exist without your direct influence in my life and your direct inspiration like.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_05]: There's, whether it's like, I just think of like Anna Eggy with like these like kind of bold melodic leaps sometimes and like Oliver would and John Craiggy like showing me how to kind of incorporate like religious, spiritual language like into songs in a way that feels like expansive and like
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_05]: I could, I could like send you guys like the when that one Cindy asked me to do this and I was like well basically I'm going to give you like five song writers who directly Impacted these songs being written and I I had like that my reasons sort of like my Connections to each of you to these songs and for a lot of them they were more than just the songs I
1:11:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, assigned to you, but it's I just like feel your like living presence in this record and in what I do as and also like as an artist and choosing to record this way, you know, knowing certain ways that some of you have recorded in the past and the risks you've taken in this studio and like
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, reading your liner notes or listening to interviews and just kind of trying to be part of that community of like inspiring each other and So it's it's been really amazing to hear everything that you're taken from the songs and But I just want you all to know like why I Wanted you here and like that it's it's so
1:12:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you were all my, you were all my first calls, and you all said yes, and of course.
1:12:31
[SPEAKER_07]: And you so much I'm so honored and my I also want to tell you I've read the line about thanking your audiences, your live audiences for listening and for conversations that.
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_07]: inspired your songs.
1:12:48
[SPEAKER_07]: I just think you're such an incredible listener.
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_07]: And I just feel like that really.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm I'm honored to receive the idea that.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_07]: You've listened to, you know, my music or something about my life and I like why I just try to be as good a listener as you are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good job, everybody.
1:13:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm impressed with each and every one of you.
1:13:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for taking this so seriously and I've learned a lot about, I mean, I'm excited to go, listen to the album again and then listen back to this conversation again.
1:13:32
[SPEAKER_03]: This was so awesome.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, I was so nervous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was gonna turn out, but I think it was so great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very inspiring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and congratulations, Maya.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, congratulations.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good job seeing you back on your vision.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good job seeing you back on your vision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nice work, Sammy.
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