Latest / Mini Scroll / The Rise of the Gen Z Pop Girlies: How 2024 Changed The Perception of Pop Music
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- 0:00On July 17th, 2021, a redheaded 23 year old from Missouri
- 0:04stepped up to a mic and keyboard to perform for a crowd of less
- 0:09than 50 people at Pan Pacific Park in West Hollywood.
- 0:13The singer was performing at a fundraiser for Hot Donna's Bar,
- 0:17an inclusive. Queer Clubhouse for queer.
- 0:19Women and gender expensive folks though.
- 0:22She'd been making music professionally since 2017 and
- 0:26had even toured with Vance Joy and Declan McKenna.
- 0:28Years prior this. Fundraiser in pan.
- 0:31Pacific Park for less. Than 50 People was the first
- 0:34time the artist would perform a new ballad that explored the
- 0:37experience of coming out as queer.
- 0:40The ballad was. Pink Pony Club and the Singer.
- 0:44Was Chapel. Roan over the next.
- 0:46Three years Chapel would develop her.
- 0:47Identity as an artist transforming from a melancholic
- 0:51indie style singer that was popular at the time.
- 0:54To a full-fledged queer pop star who?
- 0:56Seems in complete control of her entirely unique sound.
- 1:00But Chapel isn't the only pop star to find astronomical
- 1:04success in 2024. After years of paying her dues,
- 1:08Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie Xex can also claim that title in
- 1:13Act 2024 has been dubbed the. Year of Pop.
- 1:16By many influential media outlets around the world because
- 1:19of how many pop stars found their big break.
- 1:22This year so. Why has 2024 been such an
- 1:26impactful year in pop music, and what is it about the Gen.
- 1:30Z? Pop girlies that.
- 1:32Audiences just can't get enough of from Centennial World.
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- 3:35Topic we are going to be. Talking about the rise of the
- 3:37Gen. Z.
- 3:38Pop girly. It is no surprise that this year
- 3:41has been like the year of the. Female Pop. *.
- 3:45So I wanted to explore who is on the rise, why they're on the
- 3:49rise. Why it feels like?
- 3:51Pop music is finally not breaking into the mainstream
- 3:54'cause it's obviously been like the most mainstream, but like
- 3:56breaking into the cultural zeitgeist in a way.
- 3:58That like it's OK to like. Pop music.
- 4:01Now there's just a lot going on for pop music and we.
- 4:04Wanted to explore why? So that's what today's topic is
- 4:08all about. Over the past few months, we
- 4:16have witnessed the meteoric. Rise of Chapel.
- 4:19Roan and Sabrina Carpenter While both women have been making
- 4:22music for years, they have only just caught true mainstream
- 4:26attention. With both Espresso and Good Luck
- 4:28Babe dominating the charts and social media, it's clear that we
- 4:32are in the dawn of a new era. Of pop.
- 4:34This, in turn, has led to more discussion than ever about the
- 4:38Gen. Z.
- 4:39Pop Girl. And what pop music means to this
- 4:42generation. But before we get into how the
- 4:44identity. Of the pop girl is.
- 4:46Shifting. It's worth taking a look.
- 4:48Back at How we got. To this point, for a long time,
- 4:51women did not own the pop. Space rather men.
- 4:54Were the bonafide pop stars. In fact, an article for Holly
- 4:58Williams for BBC named Charles Dibden as.
- 5:01The first ever pop. * While Dibden was way before our time,
- 5:05having died in 1814, Williams describes him as a.
- 5:09Quote hugely prolific. Extremely.
- 5:11Famous figure whose persona was as well known as his music of.
- 5:15Course. We have seen the rise of many
- 5:18singers who fit that description since then, from David Bowie to
- 5:21Prince to Donna Summer. But when we are considering the
- 5:24modern pop star, a singer who has an aesthetic, is known for
- 5:28their catchy songs and has mass appeal and different eras, quote
- 5:33UN quote Madonna is the blueprint.
- 5:36Many pop culture enthusiasts and journalists have described
- 5:39Madonna as the template for the modern female pop icon, as Matt
- 5:44Kane writes for the Sydney Morning Herald.
- 5:46Quote Madonna was the first female.
- 5:48Pop star to project. An image of control, drive and
- 5:51fierce independence. For all her personal suffering,
- 5:55her mother died when she was 5. She has.
- 5:57Barely portrayed any emotional. Fragility rather.
- 6:01She has worn costumes that looked like armor.
- 6:04Madonna exuded a deep sense of confidence, breaking down
- 6:07barriers for many women to follow her while
- 6:10unapologetically bringing female sexuality to the forefront.
- 6:13While Madonna was dominating the pop industry through the late
- 6:171980s and 1990s, the. Idea of the pop star as a.
- 6:21Quote UN Quote Role model was also gaining traction, but as
- 6:24Laura Snapes explains for The Guardian, this perception was
- 6:28only solidified. After the Spice Girls.
- 6:31Burst onto the scene, given that they were.
- 6:33Beloved. Marketed to children quote given
- 6:36their fans, youth and the sponsors that used the band to
- 6:39reach them, they also had a duty of responsibility.
- 6:42Their real lives, the. All nighters and eating
- 6:45disorders were hidden so effectively.
- 6:48Snape's rights soon with the rise of Britney Spears,
- 6:51Christina Aguilera, Lady Gaga and later Lana Del.
- 6:54Rey the idea of the pop girl as a flawless.
- 6:57Role model was shattered. It was replaced.
- 7:00By a more authentic version, one where artists moved away from a
- 7:04cookie cutter image to something raw and more vulnerable.
- 7:07This isn't to. Say that the.
- 7:08Expectation of being a polished role model doesn't.
- 7:12Exist. It absolutely does.
- 7:14We all remember how hard Miley. Cyrus tried to break.
- 7:17Away from it, however, social media has made it increasingly
- 7:21difficult to maintain this kind of persona.
- 7:23Having said that, Gen. Z, being the 1st generation of
- 7:26digital natives, is redefining the genre.
- 7:29We are currently seeing the rise of a new.
- 7:31Class of diverse pop. Girlies, with many earning
- 7:34critical and mainstream acclaim. This feels.
- 7:37Different to how pop stars have been received in the past, pop
- 7:41has long been the genre that everyone loves to hate.
- 7:44With pop music described as shallow.
- 7:47And inauthentic. An aspect of inauthenticity is
- 7:50inherent when it comes to celebrity, especially as we
- 7:53navigate through late stage capitalism today.
- 7:56Every facet of a. Celebrity's identity has become
- 7:59a marketable product and behind all this is a team of business
- 8:03managers, stylist, publicist and agents who carefully construct
- 8:07the brand of a celebrity, treating singers, actors and
- 8:10influencers more like corporations and less like human
- 8:13beings. The function of celebrity moves
- 8:15from producing art to. Profit with this goal.
- 8:18The majority of pop music becomes.
- 8:20Over saturated. And as a result.
- 8:23People get sick. Of this type of music extremely
- 8:25fast and then they. Start to hate it, but it would
- 8:28be. Remiss to assume that this is
- 8:30the only reason why pop music has received such a bad
- 8:33reputation over the years much of the reason why pop music has
- 8:37been. Trivialized is that?
- 8:39It was always seen as something that women enjoy.
- 8:42We have spoken at length about how women's interests and the
- 8:46girl Internet are taken. Far less seriously.
- 8:48Than anything masculine in pop culture.
- 8:51Of. Course, the consistent
- 8:52belittling of pop music and any other interests that may
- 8:55stereotypically appeal to women and girls is rooted in misogyny,
- 8:59as Catherine McLaughlin rightly points out.
- 9:01Quote Once teenage girls find something they love, you can
- 9:04predict. That it will just as quickly be.
- 9:06Dismissed in the eyes of most everyone else, many celebrities
- 9:10and companies operate under the assumption that by catering to
- 9:13teenage girls, they can quote hook them as they grow into
- 9:16independent adults with even greater spending power, Samantha
- 9:20Grindell writes for Insider. By no means has this sentiment
- 9:24completely disappeared from pop culture.
- 9:26Internet users are still quick to undermine anything young
- 9:30women are interested in. But as the Gen.
- 9:32Z pop. Girls are.
- 9:33Rising and moving through the mid tier pop.
- 9:35Star phase. It's clear that this perspective
- 9:38has. Shifted slightly as more and
- 9:40more young people embrace pop stars.
- 9:42The question now. Is why there are a couple.
- 9:46Of reasons first and foremost. Pop music.
- 9:49Has become less siloed since the rise of Internet culture.
- 9:52We talk a lot about the death. Of monoculture, a monolithic
- 9:56version of pop culture. Dictated by Charts Award.
- 9:59Shows and magazines with pop culture becoming increasingly
- 10:02personalized, where algorithms dictate our feeds and cater to
- 10:06our interests, it is also made for an environment where.
- 10:09Every aspect of Pop. Culture intersects if we take a
- 10:13moment to think about monoculture when it was at its
- 10:15peak, different publications, critics, and.
- 10:18Experts would dictate our. Experience of pop music during
- 10:22this era Respected critics and publications often didn't give
- 10:25pop music the same weight as other genres, but that changed
- 10:29with the rise of poptimism, a portmanteau.
- 10:32Of pop. And optimism, which advocates
- 10:35that pop music deserves the same respect as rock music and is
- 10:39worthy of. Serious discourse and critique.
- 10:42Poptimism emerges in response to rockism, an ideology that
- 10:46essentially. Sees rock as the superior.
- 10:49Genre of music. The term has been around for a
- 10:51while, gaining mainstream traction after journalist
- 10:54Khalifa Senay wrote an article headlined the Rap Against
- 10:57Rockism for The New York Times in 2004, or explaining how quote
- 11:02rockism means idolizing the authentic old legend or
- 11:05underground hero while mocking the latest.
- 11:08Pop star quote. Let's stop.
- 11:09Pretending that serious rock songs will last forever, as if
- 11:13anything could, and that shiny pop songs are inherently.
- 11:16Disposable as if. That were necessarily a bad
- 11:19thing, she writes. Rockism was so.
- 11:21Deeply embedded in music. Review Culture.
- 11:23Where prolific music magazines like Rolling Stone were first
- 11:27known for covering rock music and therefore the sentiment
- 11:30spread quote countless. Critics assail pop stars.
- 11:33For not being rock'n'roll enough without stopping to wonder.
- 11:36Why that should be? Everyone's goal, or they reward
- 11:39them disproportionately for making rock'n'roll gestures,
- 11:43Snae writes. From punk rock rags to
- 11:45handsomely illustrated journals, rockism permeates the way we
- 11:49think about music. If you write about music, you're
- 11:51presumed to be a rock. Critic.
- 11:53Poptimism emerged in the 1990s. Partially as a result.
- 11:57Of identity politics. As Saul Austerlitz.
- 12:00Notes for the New York Times Magazine Poptimism had a.
- 12:02Desire to quote. Undo the original sin of
- 12:06rock'n'roll white male performers Co opting of
- 12:09established styles and undeservedly receiving credit as
- 12:12musical innovators. Consequently, music journalism
- 12:16pivoted, with poptimism dominating the space.
- 12:19Today quote poptimism. Wants to be in touch with the
- 12:22taste of average music fans to. Speak to the rush.
- 12:25That comes from hearing a great single on the.
- 12:27Radio or YouTube? And to value it no differently
- 12:30from a song with more quote UN quote serious artistic intent,
- 12:34Austerlitz continues. While poptimism might have
- 12:37emerged in the 1990s, the movement is definitely having a
- 12:41modern day renaissance. Since the rise of.
- 12:43Social media Internet users have been able to generate parasocial
- 12:47relationships with mainstream celebrities more than ever
- 12:50before. This, in turn, has changed the
- 12:52direction of many music publications and journalists.
- 12:56Essentially the. Obsessive coverage of pop.
- 12:58Stars and their personal. Lives, drives traffic.
- 13:01In a way that reviews just simply could not, pushing pop
- 13:04personas further and further into the spotlight.
- 13:08On top of this, the music industry has undergone a seismic
- 13:11shift since the era of monoculture.
- 13:14The advent of streaming platforms like Spotify and even
- 13:17TikTok have revolutionized music discovery and discussion.
- 13:21Quote. Click culture creates a closed.
- 13:23System in which popular acts get more coverage, thus becoming
- 13:26more popular, thus getting more coverage.
- 13:29But criticism is supposed to challenge readers on occasion,
- 13:32not only. Provide seals of approval.
- 13:34Australitz Rice. Quote In this light, poptimism
- 13:37can be seen as an attempt to resuscitate the unified cultural
- 13:40experience of the past when we were all, at least in theory,
- 13:44listening together to Sergeant Pepper's or Thriller Now
- 13:48creators. Take to TikTok.
- 13:49To analyze and appreciate pop music in ways that.
- 13:52Traditional critics hesitated. To do in the past quote, music
- 13:56critics are as snobbish as any. Other variety of critic, but
- 13:59lately. Their snobbishness has been
- 14:01devoted to demonstrating just how unsnobbish they are.
- 14:05Austerlitz observes. With this in mind, journalists
- 14:08and critics are expected to meet audiences, especially the Gen.
- 14:12Z audience. Where they are.
- 14:14Rather than setting the tone of pop.
- 14:15Culture themselves. This shift has allowed pop.
- 14:18Music to become legitimized in the eyes of the mainstream like
- 14:22never before. Another factor we can't ignore
- 14:25in Gen. Z's relationship with pop music
- 14:27is the events that have come to define this generation.
- 14:30Obviously there was COVID. 19 which kept everyone locked
- 14:33indoors for two years. And then to come out of that
- 14:36into a recession, the vibes have just not been it.
- 14:40But oftentimes with these kinds of stressful world events, we
- 14:44see music swing the complete other direction.
- 14:47Through the 2008 GFC, for instance, there was a rise in
- 14:51house music production, with many pop songs following suit.
- 14:54This has since become known as recession Pop in a piece for the
- 14:58University of Pennsylvania's Hot Knife Mag.
- 15:00Akil Veda explores the. Concept writing Quote Crisis
- 15:04points like economic recession create a recurring dissonance in
- 15:07popular culture. Because of how these.
- 15:09Economic. Stress fractures shake our.
- 15:11Vision of autonomy and agency. As a result.
- 15:14Pop music becomes about seeking joy, empowerment, and of course,
- 15:18a sense of escapism, quote some of the usual thematic suspects
- 15:22of recession pop include consumerist anthems that assure
- 15:26us that we can spend our our way into a new.
- 15:28Reality. Sexless.
- 15:29Songs about sex that reduce physical intimacy to its
- 15:32mechanical attractions and rote motions and vague empowerment
- 15:36chants that try to. Lifelessly propel us up.
- 15:39Off the ground during the recession, some of the most
- 15:42iconic bangers in pop music history dropped from Lady Gaga's
- 15:45Just Dance. To Kesha's TikTok.
- 15:47To LMFAO's Shots in a video by commentary creator Naomi
- 15:52Cannibal, she explains the intention of these songs wasn't
- 15:54to be deep or get you thinking, but actually the opposite.
- 15:57It simply exists for enjoyment. She also notes how many of these
- 16:00songs were meant to. Cater to the club.
- 16:03Seeing these settings as a place of community and fun, a lot of
- 16:06the recession pop from the Great Recession, which again was
- 16:09mostly Electro pop or some infusion of it, was intended to
- 16:12be club music. That's because the genre started
- 16:14in the club in rave scenes and clubs are still considered a
- 16:17place for escape. Well, Gen.
- 16:18Z was too young to experience these songs for what they were
- 16:21intended for. The pandemic and the economic
- 16:24conditions that have followed have made way for the return of
- 16:27recession pop, but a twenty 20s version?
- 16:30Take Beyoncé's release of Renaissance in 2022 as an
- 16:34example. Act One of a.
- 16:35Three act project. Renaissance marked Beyoncé's.
- 16:38First full. Length album Venture into dance
- 16:41and house music. The album draws heavily on
- 16:44reference points from Black dance music, particularly that
- 16:47of the queer community. As well as the disco era.
- 16:50Quote With no ballads and a thudding, insistent beat,
- 16:52Renaissance is an album of recession bangers.
- 16:56Dancing is a means of escape though.
- 16:58Beyoncé's examination of dance music.
- 17:00Is also about how it weaves. In and out of Black culture,
- 17:03Geeta Jackson writes for Vice. With many Gen.
- 17:06Z feeling the need to just have fun, we have witnessed Gen.
- 17:09Z fully embrace recession, pop and pop music more broadly.
- 17:13Dance music resonated with people so much because they
- 17:16longed to be able to return to the clubs and dance, so they had
- 17:18to live vicariously through the music for the time being.
- 17:21Now, Electro pop became really popular online during
- 17:23quarantine. I'm sure this was similarly born
- 17:25out of this boredom from being shut in and a desire to find
- 17:28anything intriguing and mood boosting, which a lot of hyper
- 17:31pop is as cacophonous as it can sound.
- 17:33Of course, with Gen. Z being deeply unserious, this
- 17:36genre is just fun and feels like it fits with Gen.
- 17:40Z's overall vibe. So from the democratization of
- 17:43pop commentary to the return of recession pop, it's no surprise
- 17:47that Gen. Z has welcomed a new era of.
- 17:49Pop girlies. But there is.
- 17:50One more reason why this demographic.
- 17:52Is excited to see. This new rise The normalization
- 17:56of Stan culture With the advent of Stan Twitter and fandom
- 18:00culture on Tumblr, Stan behavior became all too common on social
- 18:03media through the 20 tens. Now, by this point, I'm sure all
- 18:07of you know what Stan culture looks like.
- 18:10But for those. Of you who are unfamiliar with
- 18:11the term Stan's are hardcore fans, so much so that a Stan is
- 18:16a combination of stalker and fan.
- 18:19The biggest difference between a fan and a Stan is how an
- 18:21interest in a celebrity, influencer, or piece of media
- 18:25impacts identity stands. Make that part of their identity
- 18:28and thus being a fan of this one thing becomes.
- 18:31Part of your life. Almost like a hobby, Stands are
- 18:34deeply committed to their fan object, building their own
- 18:37communities around the. Celebrity or creator?
- 18:40Some of the most prolific fandoms through Gen.
- 18:42Z's childhood and adolescence. Would be the Swifty.
- 18:45'S beliebers, Directioners and even the BTS Army standam has
- 18:50deeply influenced how many Gen. Z individuals engage with pop
- 18:53music and rally around. Particular stars.
- 18:56We all know Gen. Z's obsession with lore.
- 19:00In every aspect of life. This demographic enjoys creating
- 19:03a whole world and side characters within it.
- 19:06This mindset has encouraged Gen. Z to.
- 19:08Sleuth for clues. And pop artist content leading
- 19:11many. To drop Easter eggs.
- 19:12And subtle hints across their songs and music videos.
- 19:16Ultimately, this has elevated. Gen.
- 19:17Z's analysis. Of pop.
- 19:19Culture to new heights. Some may view the intense
- 19:22reactions. Of this demographic to the
- 19:24Easter eggs as. Brain rot.
- 19:26But it's undeniable that this engagement is revitalizing the
- 19:30genre for years to come. So that brings us to now.
- 19:34We're at a place in modern culture.
- 19:36Because of all the. Reasons we just discussed and
- 19:38more where pop music made by women is finally being taken.
- 19:42Seriously. While this shift.
- 19:44Has made the pop landscape more welcoming of new artists.
- 19:48It's also made it more competitive.
- 19:50As a result, the. Gen.
- 19:52Z. Pop girl has.
- 19:53Become all about subverting the pop star archetype in one way or
- 19:57another. So let's go through.
- 19:59Some of the most prominent examples in a recent piece for
- 20:02The Atlantic author and journalist Spencer Kornhaber.
- 20:06Explores how the likes. Of Sabrina Carpenter Chapel
- 20:09Rhone and Charlie Xex are paving the way for a new.
- 20:12Type of pop girly. One that appeals specifically to
- 20:16Gen. Z while Sabrina, Chapel and
- 20:18Charlie. Are all.
- 20:19Very different artists. Kornhaber notes how all three of
- 20:22them chose to center the female experience and embrace a brutal
- 20:26sense of honesty. Quote.
- 20:28In all cases, these women's feistiness stems less from
- 20:31youthful rebellion than from mere candor, and from the
- 20:34assurance that growing up in the conventional sense is just
- 20:37optional. For Sabrina Carpenter, this is
- 20:40through her songwriting. Many of her songs are laced.
- 20:43With witty. Quips from the nonsense outros
- 20:46to entire. Tracks like espresso.
- 20:48Kornhaber draws an intriguing parallel to Oops I Did It Again
- 20:51by Britney Spears, highlighting how Espresso reimagines the
- 20:55theme of the song, suggesting that breaking a man's heart is
- 20:58no accident. Quote the Spears.
- 21:00Comparison also sheds light on what makes Carpenter feel novel
- 21:03so often in pop history feminine performances of sexual.
- 21:07Power have. Seemed on some.
- 21:09Level shaped by. And for men, Carpenter.
- 21:12Might appear to fit. That mold with her vintage pin
- 21:14up fashion aesthetic. All teddies and Tiny.
- 21:17Skirts, but The Who? Me attitude she projects, is
- 21:20knowing and ironic. So Sabrina might seem like a
- 21:23cookie cutter pop star on. Paper, but it's evident that she
- 21:27uses. This expectation to subvert and
- 21:29redefine the archetype entirely. Meanwhile, Chaparron is an
- 21:34artist who stands far from the cookie cutter mold.
- 21:37She centers the female gaze. Through her drag.
- 21:39Persona and aesthetic Drawing comparisons to Lady Gaga,
- 21:43however, she goes beyond merely celebrating the female
- 21:46experience. She authentically and
- 21:48unapologetically. Portrays the life.
- 21:50Of a queer woman this contrast significantly with pop history's
- 21:54tendency. To exploit the LGBTQIA.
- 21:57Plus community through queer baiting.
- 21:59While we have previously debated whether real people.
- 22:02Can. Actually, queer bait.
- 22:03It's. Clear that using queer.
- 22:05Culture to. Expand listenership and support
- 22:08has become. A way for Hollywood?
- 22:09To commodify queer identities. Quote celebrities can use.
- 22:13Queerness as a marketing tool and take advantage of LGBTQIA
- 22:17excitement without offering meaningful representation,
- 22:20writes Annabelle and David Fricentennial.
- 22:23With Gen. Z growing up in a world where
- 22:24queer baiting is everywhere, it makes sense that this
- 22:27demographic. Is welcoming artists like
- 22:29Chapel? Quote Her songwriting toes the
- 22:31line between gut burstingly funny and just gutting, and
- 22:35she's queer and a refreshingly confrontational way.
- 22:38Quote She sings about gayness not as an abstraction but as a
- 22:42fact of her life, and she seems frustrated in a productive.
- 22:45Way with how the self. Acceptance slogans that she grew
- 22:48up singing along with still clash with modern society in
- 22:51all. Sorts of ways.
- 22:53Songs like Pink Pony Club and Good Luck Babe are perfect
- 22:56examples of this kind of honesty that many of us aren't
- 22:59necessarily used to seeing in pop music.
- 23:01While both Chapel and Sabrina are Gen.
- 23:03Z, born in 1998 and 1999 respectively. 1 Millennial.
- 23:08Artist is. Coming to personify Gen.
- 23:10ZS cool girl obsession Charlie Xex.
- 23:14Although Charlie has been around for a while featuring on hits.
- 23:17Like I love. It with Iconica Pop in 2012 and
- 23:20Fancy with Iggy Azalea in 2014. She has only recently solidified
- 23:25herself as a Gen. Z.
- 23:26Fave with Brat for the vast majority of her career.
- 23:30She has remained relatively underground, cultivating a culti
- 23:33fan base after solidifying herself in the hyper pop genre,
- 23:37creating fan only. Spaces like a private.
- 23:39Instagram called. At 300 and. 60, brat and
- 23:42ultimately becoming a gay icon even though she identifies as
- 23:46straight. What truly captivated Gen.
- 23:48Z? About the brat.
- 23:49Album and its rollout is both the subject matter and the
- 23:52overall. Aesthetic with.
- 23:54Charlie being the ultimate party.
- 23:56Girl Brat also feels like a perfect follow.
- 23:58Up to COVID-19 and the rise of recession pop on top.
- 24:02Of this the aggressively. Green background and plain text
- 24:05reading Brat along with the deluxe album called Brat and
- 24:08it's the same, but there's three more songs so it's not.
- 24:11Perfectly captures the cultural zeitgeist.
- 24:14Through the anti design. Cover, she taps.
- 24:17Into Gen. Z's love for irony and
- 24:19self-awareness. Not to mention, this feels very
- 24:22chronically online, something that Charlie also fed into in
- 24:25the 360 music video, which featured Internet icons like
- 24:28Emma Chamberlain, Julia Fox, Quinn Blackwell, among others on
- 24:32the subject matter of the album. Specifically, Kornhaber says
- 24:36quote. She's not singing about boys.
- 24:38But about how it's? So confusing sometimes to be.
- 24:41A girl there are. Songs about idolizing mean girl
- 24:44podcasters, feeling threatened by her male friends, female
- 24:47squeezes, and having. Awkward rivalries with other.
- 24:50Women in the Pop. World while listeners are
- 24:52baited. To guess at whom she's really
- 24:54referring to in all these songs, they're also urged to consider
- 24:57the tensions inherent to modern feminism's simultaneous
- 25:00encouragement of careerism. And sisterly solidarity it's.
- 25:04Clear that the Gen. Z pop girlies are moving away
- 25:07from a version of pop that aims to please everyone of Charlie
- 25:10Chaplin, Sabrina. This is something that former
- 25:13Capital Music Group. Chief executive Michelle
- 25:15Jubilier. Sees in all three women telling
- 25:18the Los Angeles Times that quote, they're all incredibly
- 25:21strong, independent women who are are a little brash and who
- 25:24build worlds and remain authentically themselves.
- 25:27Kornhaber for the Atlantic attributes.
- 25:29The shift to the. Growing influence of streaming
- 25:32while this undoubtedly. Plays a role.
- 25:34We must acknowledge Trail Blazers like Madonna, who broke
- 25:36barriers and fought for women's freedom in pop music.
- 25:40This sense of freedom and the embrace of the unconventional
- 25:43has been common among the Gen. Z.
- 25:45Pop girlies. For some time now take.
- 25:47Billie. Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo as
- 25:50examples being 2. Artists who have already
- 25:52solidified. Themselves in the mainstream,
- 25:55Billy has essentially redefined the genre with her three albums,
- 25:58pioneering a unique style of pop music and an overall.
- 26:01Vibe. First and foremost, she embodies
- 26:04Gen. Z's Moody tendencies,
- 26:06contrasting. Sharply with the hyper.
- 26:08Produced vibrant worlds of millennial pop.
- 26:10Stars like Taylor Swift Throughout her career, Billy has
- 26:13fearlessly tackled heavy topics such as power.
- 26:16Dynamics sexuality, anxiety and depression from as young as 15
- 26:21in an era where Gen. Z is deeply value driven and
- 26:24prioritizes socio. Political.
- 26:26Issues Gen. Z pop girlies must address these
- 26:28themes authentically, something that Billy has done time and
- 26:32time again, unlike strictly media trained pop.
- 26:35Stars of the past. Billy's openness makes her
- 26:37easily relatable to Gen. Z, many of whom are accustomed
- 26:41to forming personal connections with their favorite.
- 26:43Artists through Parasocial. Relationships on top.
- 26:46Of this she is. Completely dismantled
- 26:48traditional notions of the female.
- 26:50Pop star archetype. Moving away from sexy outfit
- 26:53outfits and perfectly choreographed dances on stage.
- 26:56Her shows. Often just her Phineas and a
- 26:58band on stage are authentic and extremely intimate in a piece
- 27:02for The Guardian. Amy Cliff.
- 27:04Explores how Billy has. Become the voice of a
- 27:06generation, likening her introspective.
- 27:08Style to quote. Emos, who ruled the early 2000s,
- 27:12a genre that is currently experiencing a revival of its
- 27:15own. Hannah Owens, a music journalist
- 27:18and the author of Fangirls, Scenes from Modern Music
- 27:20Culture, notes that quote. She's not singing like, say,
- 27:23Britney Spears did about being a girl and teen heart breaks.
- 27:27She's leaning into the darkness of her whole vibe as an artist.
- 27:30Cliff concludes by noting just how much.
- 27:32Billy is a quote radical departure.
- 27:34From what we have. Expected of pop.
- 27:36Heroines in the past. With this.
- 27:38The journalist questions with the Next Gen.
- 27:40Z. Pop Girl would quote.
- 27:41Look or sound like of course, the next.
- 27:44Artist who broke. Through in a similar fashion was
- 27:47Olivia Rodrigo after building her.
- 27:49Early career with. Disney starring in bizardvark in
- 27:52High School Musical. The Musical.
- 27:53The Series. Olivia was primed for success.
- 27:56She debuted her music career in 2021 with drivers license, which
- 28:01quickly became a viral phenomenon.
- 28:03While this song showcased her talent and songwriting ability,
- 28:06Olivia went on to. Shatter every expectation
- 28:09placed. On her initially expected to
- 28:12fall into the indie Moody. Pop category her subsequent.
- 28:15Singles revealed a much edgier direction.
- 28:18With tracks like good. For You and Ballad of a
- 28:20Homeschooled Girl, Olivia has emerged as Gen.
- 28:23Z's designated pop punk icon. Quote she is.
- 28:26Creating sort of a radio friendly version of the pop punk
- 28:29that millennials grew up with. So to them it feels nostalgic
- 28:32and familiar. Whereas among her younger
- 28:34listeners, a lot. Of them are.
- 28:36Discovering this sound for the first time.
- 28:38Hugh McIntyre, a Forbes music journalist.
- 28:41Tells BBC aside from Olivia's. Songwriting ability which
- 28:44perfectly. Captures the.
- 28:45Experience of being a teenage girl her brutal honesty is
- 28:49something that Gen. Z deeply values quote.
- 28:52As with most enduring performers, there is a
- 28:54compelling internal struggle going on in Rodrigo's works.
- 28:58She is a songwriter who expresses an ongoing teenage
- 29:01crisis of confidence, alternately as self flagellation
- 29:04or as righteous explosions of self esteem.
- 29:07It's a seesaw. That.
- 29:08Keeps you coming back, Kitty Empire writes for the Guardians
- 29:11as a Disney star turned pop punk artist.
- 29:14It's. Clear that.
- 29:14Olivia is just another example of how Gen.
- 29:17Z is seeking to break molds and doing it successfully.
- 29:20Interestingly, a recent article in the Los Angeles Times by
- 29:24Mikael Woods. Positions Olivia as the.
- 29:26Final Gen. Z pop sensation to break into
- 29:28the mainstream before artists like Sabrina Chaplin, Charlie,
- 29:32According to an anonymous pop songwriter interviewed for the
- 29:35piece, the timing of Olivia. 'S rise to.
- 29:37Fame is a key factor contributing to the current wave
- 29:40of popularity. The songwriter says that the
- 29:42almost. Four year gap.
- 29:43Between Olivia and Sabrina Chaplin, Charlie is quote not
- 29:47normal. Where quote there used.
- 29:49To be at least one massive breakout every year, if not two
- 29:52of. Course, this gap is partly.
- 29:54Due to the pandemic. Where labels had to adjust
- 29:56their. Strategies to elevate young
- 29:57artists during this time. TikTok took over.
- 30:01That being said, we can't discuss the rise of the Gen.
- 30:04Z pop artist without acknowledging the platform's
- 30:07influence. TikTok has facilitated the rise
- 30:09of pop stars like Tate. Mccrae and Tyler while both draw
- 30:12inspirations from previous pop and R&B.
- 30:15Artists they have created. A new archetype, the social
- 30:18media pop. *. We have seen social media pop
- 30:21stars before, with singers discovered through social media.
- 30:24Of course, after. Being discovered by Scooter
- 30:26Braun on YouTube, Justin Bieber is one of the most iconic
- 30:30examples, but today, social media pop stars are different.
- 30:33While artists. Like Tate, Mccrae and Tyler
- 30:35initially blew up on TikTok, they continue to be integral to
- 30:38the trends circulating on the app.
- 30:40Many of these trends are dance challenges, such as the recent
- 30:43Tyla Dance challenge to her song Jump, emulating one of her
- 30:47performances in the South African dance style.
- 30:49Bacardi, Tate, and Tyler are not only embracing these trends but
- 30:53also performing Tik Tok's iconic choreography on stage, all while
- 30:57maintaining their authentic selves on social media
- 31:00platforms. This has established.
- 31:02Them as some of the most popular rising Gen.
- 31:05Z pop. Stars.
- 31:06All in all, as. Each of these pop girlies rise.
- 31:09It's clear that they are. Carving out their own own unique
- 31:11lanes and redefining the genre in the process, Sabrina is
- 31:15breaking away from bubble gum pop.
- 31:17Olivia has pivoted. From the classic path for the
- 31:20Disney pop star and Billy completely shattered the
- 31:23traditional pop star mold. As the space becomes
- 31:26increasingly competitive, it's clear that honesty,
- 31:29self-awareness and sometimes humor is paramount for the Gen.
- 31:33Z pop artist, marking a departure from the perfectly.
- 31:36Polished pop stars of decades past.
- 31:39Infinite. Scroll is a podcast.
- 31:41Written, produced and presented by me, Lauren Meisner for
- 31:44Centennial World. Additional research and
- 31:46reporting is by Annabelle and David.
- 31:48Editing is by Danny Fennick. Thank you so much for listening.
- 31:52I love you guys. So much and I will talk to you
- 31:54next week.