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2/17/26: Epstein Files Coverup, ICE Caught Lying, Trump Election Takeover · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: Good learning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. Emlinger to see
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  Speaker 2: you he show. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: We're both in their gardening. That's what it's about. Though
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  Speaker 3: people think sometimes it's another thing. It's not.
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  Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah, we're sure minds out of the gutters.
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  Speaker 3: People. I'm just the messenger. Don't take it out on me.
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  Speaker 2: Sager is recording an Epstein episode with Andrew Schultz, so
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  Speaker 2: that is why I get this to have the lovely
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  Speaker 2: Emily here with me on Tuesday, and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, including we are starting with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of Epstein revelations. Bannon talking twenty fifth Amendment with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Bannon I feel like has escaped a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of scrutiny in this. But we've also got all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of other crazy revelations. Tom Rock who continues to
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  Speaker 2: be you know, he's in this administration, longtime friend of Trump.
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  Speaker 2: He is all over the Epstein files. He and Trump
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  Speaker 2: were buddies with Epstein, you know, at sort of the
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  Speaker 2: peak of Epstein's whatever. We've got Trump making some new comments.
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  Speaker 2: We've got new revelations that the government may be lying
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  Speaker 2: about how many of the files exist and what they
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  Speaker 2: have released. We've also got a bunch of DHS news.
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  Speaker 2: They are making it official that they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: share any of their evidence from the investigation into Alex
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  Speaker 2: Party with local officials. At the same time, they're also
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  Speaker 2: having to acknowledge they lied about yet another shooting. So
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  Speaker 2: break that down for you. Christin Noam is making more
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  Speaker 2: comments about how they need to get the right people
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  Speaker 2: to vote. A lot going on there with regard to
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six elections.
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  Speaker 4: Randy Fine doing Randy Fine.
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  Speaker 2: Things, you know, posting just the most disgusting comments you
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  Speaker 2: can imagine. And I'm like getting a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a back and forth here with the Babylon Bee folks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll have an interesting discussion about the backlash
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  Speaker 3: or i mean relative lack thereof backlash to what Randy
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  Speaker 3: Fines said. It's a good glimpse that things that are
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  Speaker 3: either changing or at least up for grabs on the
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  Speaker 3: right now. So there's there's much to be said.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking I'm looking forward to hearing your take
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  Speaker 2: on that one. And then we have we have two
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  Speaker 2: great guests. We've got Jasper Nathanael gonna join us as
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  Speaker 2: Israel moves to just overtly you know, it's being called
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  Speaker 2: a mega land grab in the West Bank, so we
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  Speaker 2: want to keep our eye on that. And then we
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  Speaker 2: have someone from Fire, the civil rights organization that is
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  Speaker 2: joining us to talk about their lawsuit against Pambondi and
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  Speaker 2: Christy Noam. They have been this government has really been
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  Speaker 2: pressuring tech companies to take down any sort of anti
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  Speaker 2: ICE accounts, also to reveal the identities of any anonymous accounts.
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  Speaker 4: That are you know, opposed to ICE.
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  Speaker 2: So a realssault here on civil liberties and just breaking
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  Speaker 2: last night. We're gonna see if we can ask them
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  Speaker 2: about this as well. Stephen Colbert revealed that the FCC
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  Speaker 2: Brendan carrs FCC, which was the one that previously like
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  Speaker 2: came down on Jimmy Kimmel, told them they cannot interview
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  Speaker 2: James Tallerico, or at least CBS felt pressured that they
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  Speaker 2: should not interview James Tallerico, candidate for Senate in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: So yet another sense of crushing of any sort of descent.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get their take on that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that one. It's actually I'll be curious as
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  Speaker 3: more reporting comes in because this is just coming to us.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm really curious if it's more CBS than the FCC. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I think that could be interesting.
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  Speaker 4: You may be right, I think it could be that.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently they threatened the view after they had James
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  Speaker 2: Talerico on.
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  Speaker 3: Tall Ico is just like the wrecking ball.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, they're we're very sensitive about this, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is kind of telling that they feel
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  Speaker 2: like Texas may be in jeopardy. If they didn't see
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  Speaker 2: him as any sort of a threat, then I think
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  Speaker 2: they wouldn't care what shows he appeared on. So in
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  Speaker 2: any case, I think it probably does come out of
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  Speaker 2: his appearance on the view the government action that was
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  Speaker 2: taken there, and those government actions. That's exactly what they're
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  Speaker 2: intended to do. They're saying to make others think twice.
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  Speaker 3: Equal time to his whether it's John Cornyan or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: That's the line the FCC is pushing. I wonder in
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  Speaker 3: this case if CBS is scapegoating, if they're like trying
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  Speaker 3: to mess with Colbert, we'll get into it. But if
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to mess with Colbert and they're like, well listen,
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  Speaker 3: the FCC pressured ABC, so we got to be careful.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hilarious that Tall Rico is at the center.
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  Speaker 2: Ends up the c I mean it's great for him, honestly. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: because Haber made a whole thing of it on his show.
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  Speaker 2: Tall Rico I think posted the interview that should have aired,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. So I mean, great publicity for him. If
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  Speaker 2: you were looking to, you know, to quash this guy's prospects, Congratulations,
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  Speaker 2: you've just absolutely elevated him. Before we get into the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein News, want to thank everybody so much for your support.
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  Speaker 2: also last note here, wanted to mention and reflect on
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  Speaker 2: the life and now the passing of Reverend Jesse Jackson, who,
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  Speaker 2: of course civil rights leader born in segregated South in
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina, was an acolyte of Reverend doctor Martin Luther
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  Speaker 2: King Junior, went on to be a presidential candidate for
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats and really ran on this message of of
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  Speaker 2: multi racial unity and solidarity, and you know, and really
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  Speaker 2: pushing that idea that we have to have this broad coalition,
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  Speaker 2: a sort of universalist coalition to fight for social.
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  Speaker 4: And economic justice.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, it's a message that is very
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  Speaker 2: important to me and very inspiring to me in my
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  Speaker 2: own politics.
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  Speaker 3: And you probably had a chance to meet him a
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  Speaker 3: couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: Met him once or twice, you know, in passing at MSNBC,
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  Speaker 2: and so certainly you know.
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  Speaker 4: His legacy is a large one.
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  Speaker 2: I pulled up one of his speeches is a patchwork
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  Speaker 2: quilt speech from nineteen eighty eight Democratic National Convention, and
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  Speaker 2: just to give you a sense of some of the
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  Speaker 2: messaging here, he talks about seeking common ground, and this
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  Speaker 2: is in the context of trying to pull Democrats together
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  Speaker 2: to fight alongside one another, and he said that we
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  Speaker 2: need to build a quilt like the one that his
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  Speaker 2: grandmother would patch together. He says, Farmers, you seek fair prices,
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  Speaker 2: and you are right, but you cannot stand alone. Your
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  Speaker 2: patch is not big enough. Workers you fight for fair wages.
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  Speaker 2: You are right, but your patch labor is not big enough.
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  Speaker 2: Women you seek comparable worth and pay equity. You are right,
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  Speaker 2: but your patch is not big enough. Women mothers who
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  Speaker 2: seek head start and daycare and prenatal care on the
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  Speaker 2: front side of life, relevant jail care and welfare on
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  Speaker 2: the back side of life.
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  Speaker 4: You are right, but your patch.
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  Speaker 2: Is not big enough. Students you seek scholarships. You are right,
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  Speaker 2: but your patch is not big enough. Blacks and Hispanics
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  Speaker 2: when we fight for civil rights, we are right, but
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  Speaker 2: our patch is not big enough. Gays and lesbians, when
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  Speaker 2: you fight agains, discrimination and cure for AIDS. You are right,
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  Speaker 2: but your patch is not big enough. Conservatives and progressives
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  Speaker 2: when you fight for what you believe, right wing, left
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  Speaker 2: wing hawk dove, you are right from your point of view,
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  Speaker 2: but your point of view is not enough. But don't despair.
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  Speaker 2: Be as wise as my grandmama. Pull the patches and
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  Speaker 2: the pieces together, bound by a common thread. When we
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  Speaker 2: form a great quilt of unity and common ground, will
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  Speaker 2: have the power to bring about healthcare and housing, and
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  Speaker 2: jobs and education and hope to our nation.
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  Speaker 4: Reverend Jesse Jackson may he rest in peace.
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  Speaker 3: Also was on the balcony when Martin Luther King Junior
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  Speaker 3: was dying.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry he was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So a piece of history for sure that now
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  Speaker 3: has passed away. And that's a tether from one generation
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  Speaker 3: to the next, especially on the left, which is an
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  Speaker 3: interesting point, said no. Jesse Jackson mentored many, many young,
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  Speaker 3: especially young black leftists.
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  Speaker 2: His impact is and Ryan could probably speak to this
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  Speaker 2: better than you know, better than many. His impact continues
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  Speaker 2: to be felt on the left of the party, in
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  Speaker 2: particular in peace.
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  Speaker 3: Reverend Jesse Jackson, Crystal, let's move to upson.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got some new comments from Trump on
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  Speaker 2: I guess this was on Air Force one about how
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  Speaker 2: he viewed the release of the files and what we
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  Speaker 2: have learned there. Of course he feels he's totally exonerated. Emily,
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  Speaker 2: let's take a listen to that.
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  Speaker 4: So Iilary Flinton said in an interview today that she
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  Speaker 4: and her.
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  Speaker 1: Husband are getting pold In't the Epstein matter to divert
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  Speaker 1: attention from you?
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  Speaker 5: And that your administration has something to hide? What's your response?
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  Speaker 6: I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. I have
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  Speaker 6: nothing to do with Jeffrey Epsy. They went in hoping
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  Speaker 6: that they'd find it and found just the opposite. I've
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  Speaker 6: been totally exonerated. In fact, Jeffrey Epsy was fighting that
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  Speaker 6: I don't get elected with some author a sleasebag by
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  Speaker 6: the way, and I've been totally exonerated.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, they're getting polled in, and that's the problem.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. They have to see what happens.
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  Speaker 6: But I watched her in Munich and she seriously has
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  Speaker 6: strump derangements.
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  Speaker 5: Even I think she should publicly tell you. And I've
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  Speaker 5: been totally exonerated.
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  Speaker 6: And it's really interesting because they've been pulled in think
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  Speaker 6: of it, they've been pulled.
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  Speaker 5: In, and many other Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: Have been pulled in you So there you go, totally exonerated.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about that. This was
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  Speaker 2: an important investigation, I think from Channel four News and
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  Speaker 2: something that I've been wondering as well. It can put
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  Speaker 2: this up on the screen. So they are saying that,
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  Speaker 2: based on emails within this latest release, the actual quantity
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  Speaker 2: of data and files that exist within the government vaults,
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  Speaker 2: within the government archives are likely much vaster than what
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  Speaker 2: they have led on. And they're saying potentially just two
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  Speaker 2: percent of the information that the FBI retrieved from Epstein's homes.
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  Speaker 4: Has been released.
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  Speaker 2: That's based on previous information that the government has, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was indicating within these files about just how much was
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  Speaker 2: taken in the various searches of his residences. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, this is something I was wondering about because
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  Speaker 2: everybody just seemed to like take the government's word for
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  Speaker 2: it about how many files. I'm just like, what are
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  Speaker 2: we basing this on other than their word that, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's six million, fives files. We release three million and
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  Speaker 2: that's all you're going to get. And I've always wondered, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's six million number. First of all, you should be
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  Speaker 2: releasing all of that because that is what you're legally
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  Speaker 2: required to do. But also, are we just supposed to
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  Speaker 2: take your word for it that that is actually all
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  Speaker 2: that there is? And this raise of significant questions about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is interesting because even by their own word,
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  Speaker 3: they said there are some six million documents, right files.
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  Speaker 3: What constitutes a file or a document, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: nobody has ever defined to my knowledge. So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Meaning is each email a document? Because there are threads,
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  Speaker 3: so is each thread a document or is it each email?
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  Speaker 3: That could completely change our concept of actually what's out there,
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  Speaker 3: because if per the Channel four investigation, for example, you
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  Speaker 3: have all of these other emails on the thread. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: when you're going through the files, the thread stop. They
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  Speaker 3: have more emails in the thread? Do they just have
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  Speaker 3: sometimes the Epstein side, do they have more. There's just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of questions that we don't have answers to,
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  Speaker 3: and at least even by there, again, even by what
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  Speaker 3: they've said there's six million files, that means we're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be leave three million fit the national security designation
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  Speaker 3: or the victim designation, meaning that they can't even be
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  Speaker 3: released on a redacted basis. So that's a big question
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  Speaker 3: because when Thomas Massey was here crystally he told Ryan
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  Speaker 3: and me actually that he's gotten flack for the Act
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  Speaker 3: that enabled this recent file release, but he was saying,
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  Speaker 3: you actually can in a different administration come in and
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  Speaker 3: potentially prosecute Trump officials if they are out of compliance
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  Speaker 3: with the law. It allows for that, So it's not
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  Speaker 3: just a casual matter of them saying, eh, we're redacting this,
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  Speaker 3: or that they have to meet a burden of proof
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  Speaker 3: that they're actually keeping things for the right reason. Otherwise
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  Speaker 3: you could easily see a Democratic Attorney general coming in
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  Speaker 3: and saying, ooh, sorry, Pam Bondi or Todd Blanche, looks
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  Speaker 3: like you're at a compliance on the Sepstine Transparency Act.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wouldn't just be them either, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they can imagine that they would be pardoned
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  Speaker 2: by Trump and they would perhaps be in a position
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  Speaker 2: to escape free. But if you're any of the you know,
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  Speaker 2: low level employees who are doing the grunt work of
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  Speaker 2: redacting things improperly, then you could also be exposed, which
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  Speaker 2: is one of the message I know Roe has been
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  Speaker 2: putting out there. Like, listen, you don't want to get
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  Speaker 2: tangled up in this to do Trump's dirty work. He's
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  Speaker 2: not going to be loyal to you.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: He he would throw anyone under the bus if it
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  Speaker 2: serves him. So I think that's a very important note here,
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  Speaker 2: and as part of why when Massey and Conna and
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  Speaker 2: other members of Congress have gone in and viewed the
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  Speaker 2: redacted files, they've been able to put pressure on the government.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, look, I viewed some of these files. There's
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  Speaker 2: no reason for this name or that name or the
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  Speaker 2: other name to be redacted. And they've actually been successful
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  Speaker 2: in you know, unredacting some of this information because of
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  Speaker 2: the force of this law and the concerns about being
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  Speaker 2: out of compliance with it. Speaking of of Trump and
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  Speaker 2: the entanglements here, you know, we've obviously covered extensively the
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  Speaker 2: various allegations against HM that are contained within these files,
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  Speaker 2: all of the various mentions and entanglements, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 2: some of his top top aides also very you know,
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  Speaker 2: very prevalent throughout this entire document, ump Steve Bannon being
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  Speaker 2: one of them. And this was kind of a remarkable
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  Speaker 2: exchange because Bannon, of course is supposed to be big Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Buy big Trump loyalists, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: And here you have Marjorie Taylor Green sharing actually this
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  Speaker 2: text exchange between Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein where he's
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  Speaker 2: talking about the twenty fifth Amendment for Trump, and I
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  Speaker 2: sort of assume this. So this is right after the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans performed very poorly in the midterms, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what was exactly going on then that caused him,
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  Speaker 2: that caused them to trigger this like discussion about whether
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  Speaker 2: or not twenty fifth Amendment was appropriate or not. But
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  Speaker 2: in any case, they're saying, hell of a year, we
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  Speaker 2: could put this up on the screen. We their own
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine will surely own us. I'm back in the
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  Speaker 2: F and B BIZ only F and B director. No,
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  Speaker 2: it does not stand for F word and blow spoke
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  Speaker 2: to my Dems this weekend, and this is Jeffrey Epstein. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: are emotions running high? Bannon says, going to blow him
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  Speaker 2: up right out of the box. White House has zero
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  Speaker 2: plan to push back Fort Apache, with no cavalry on
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  Speaker 2: route and no soldiers in the fort. He is really
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  Speaker 2: borderline not sure what he may do. Epstein says, Bannon says,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's beyond borderline twenty fifth Amendment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it feels like a throwaway line
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  Speaker 3: from Bannon. But either way, either way, I mean that's
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  Speaker 3: just me trying to interpret it years later. But either way,
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  Speaker 3: one thing that's clear when you're going through these emails
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  Speaker 3: and text messages in the Epstein library is Epstein's relationship
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  Speaker 3: with Bannon was actually very close. And if you're like
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  Speaker 3: reading the raw files, you're just seeing I mean, Epstein
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  Speaker 3: talked had relationships with many people, obviously, but when he's
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  Speaker 3: talking to Bannon, it's very browie. They had a really,
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  Speaker 3: like clearly a very very warm, friendly relationship, as everybody
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  Speaker 3: can tell just from the mirror selfie. Of course they
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  Speaker 3: popping up in the files, but that's for Bannon. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this is a fascinating kid undrum. Like, there are a
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  Speaker 3: couple of potential explanations that aren't excuses but could maybe
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  Speaker 3: be explanations. Is are they both intel? Is Bannon doing
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  Speaker 3: intel for one person or another? Is that behind it?
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  Speaker 3: No idea. Bannon hasn't supplied any excuses other than it
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  Speaker 3: was part of documentary that has not been delivered, except
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  Speaker 3: for a part of an interview that was released was
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  Speaker 3: compelled to be released by the files. Yeah, so is
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  Speaker 3: it possible that Bannon he's constantly like ribbing Epstein over
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  Speaker 3: populism and like trying to get him to come to
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  Speaker 3: the light side and joking about him in that sense?
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  Speaker 3: Is he trying to manipulate Epstein for his broader international
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  Speaker 3: populist cause. Is he trying to drive a wedge in
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Trump world? That's what some of it seems like. That
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: text message that Epstein stepped Bannon along the lines of
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: this is what keeps Trump up at night knowing that
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: we're friends. I think that was Epstein two Bannon. But
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: we have no idea and Steve Bannon hasn't explained it yet.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, Bannon wants to be a power player, yes,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and Epstein is the type of person that can help
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: facilitate those power plays and on. At the same time,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Ryan said something interesting about the the Chompsky entanglements.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which were I.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Mean Chompsky there were thousands of emails with Chomsky and
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: you know, his wife had to come out and put
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: a statement, et cetera. And Ryan's take was basically, and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you guys can go back and watch to get his
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: words precisely. You know, Chomsky is an anarchist, and in
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: some ways it sort of validates the left wing criticism
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of anarchists of like, yeah, they're kind of you know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: this whole like laisse fair attitude is too close to
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: liberalism and it's too safe to the system. And then
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: when you see these entanglements with Epstein, who was obviously
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you know, from what we've learned, this incredibly influential node
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: in this secret power system that is actually incredibly influential
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: in the way the world actually works, it kind of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: gives screens to that view. And I feel sort of
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the same about Bannon here is it gives a lot
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: of credence to what is my view that right wing populism.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: While it may cause you know, some mild problems for
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the billionaire class or the Epstein class around the edges,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: it's not really a threat to them, and which you
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: can see from how delighted.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Epstein is with Trump being in office.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not just because Trump is his guy
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and now he feels like he's going to have this
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: access and connectivity. It's also you know, he thinks this
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: is going to be beneficial for him in terms of
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the type of deals that he can do around the world,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the type of disaster capitalism that he can engage in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: which he talks about routinely with a variety of figures,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: including Aho Barack. So you know, to see it in
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that lens. And then I think also not only does
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Bannon want to be a power player, but also he
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: would have a motivation since he is in the Trump circle,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to keep Epstein close and keep tabs on him and
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: how he's feeling about things, and you know, whether he
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: has any information that could be damaging to Trump. Allegedly,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Bannon said that this is the one guy he thought
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that could destroy Trump's presidential prospects back in twenty sixteen.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So there's all sorts of motivations for him there to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: be cultivating this very close friendship with Epstein and even
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to the point of trying to rehab his image.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we still have to get to the
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: money trail as well with Bannon, because it wasn't I mean,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: if you look at some of the stuff Bannon is
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: clearly advising Epstein, and it's public relations advice. He's in
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the room with Kathy Rumbler the Obama White House Council
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: as they're advising Epstein basically on how to rehabilitate his image.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And it seems like Bannon was using this documentary with Epstein,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: which is not really I mean, not necessarily an act
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: of journalism if you are you're creating this. I don't
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: know that anyone was accusing Bannon of being a journalist,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: but it's that means you're collaborating basically on an image rehabilitation.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: And this is into long into the twenty tens, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: we're talking like twenty eighteen that a lot of this
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: was going down, and so you can see Bannon going
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: back and forth giving him advice on X, Y and Z.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Bannon is holding his ground in most of the text
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: messages on populism, but the throwaway line about the twenty
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: fifth Amendment back in again like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: and then Bannon is now joking about third term for
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. To your point, the heart of mega populism,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: you start to see who's pulling the levers, and it
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: brings us to the I think it brings us to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the Tom Barocks story. To your point about why Epstein
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was delighted about Trump World coming into sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Are the is that people like Tom Barrock were suddenly
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: empowered by their relationship with Donald Trump.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So let's put this up on the screen.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Some reporting from CBS News. All right, let's go. Trump
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: insider Tom Barock kept in regular contact with Jeffrey Epstein
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: for years.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: File show.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Read a good bit of this because there's a lot
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of important revelations. I do recommend you read this entire
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: article because it would be too long if I read
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: all of it. In any case, Tom Barrock, who was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a longtime friend of Donald Trump. He is now the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: US Ambassador to Turkey. He has also a special envoy
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to Syria. He was in the first Trump administration. He
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: actually was what was he put on trial for some
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: foreign foreign entanglements or something fair, Yeah, a jury found
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: him not guilty of those allegations. In any case, he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: described in the CBS News article as a.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Quote globe trotting billionaire.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Certainly fits with the the Epstein class tag here. But
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: in any case, he and he and Trump and Epstein
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: were really close in the eighties and nineties, hanging out
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: together and what they say in the piece is how
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Barack first met Epstein is unclear, but in the book
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Fire and Fury, Michael wolf described Trump, Barock, and Jeffrey
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Epstein as an eighties and nineties set of nightlife musketeers.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Epstein's emails indicate that both Barack and Epstein had served
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a sources for Wolfe's book. Mister Trump called the book
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: full of lies, misrepresentation, sources that don't exist. Mister Trump
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: has also said he cut ties with Epstein years ago.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: The Barrock Epstein friendship appears to have continued, undeterred by
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Epstein's alleged fall from Grace in Florida after he was
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: charged with sexual misconduct involving teenage girls. In September two
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: thousand and nine, just months after Epstein's release from the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Palm Beach County jail, Barack wrote to him quote thinking
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: about you. Hope you're good and life is calm again,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a sentiment that marked the beginning of an extended period
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of contact between the two. Over the following years. Epstein
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: encouraged me and facilitated introductions between Barack and individuals including
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Pellentaire CEO, Peter Thiel, former Israeli Prime Minister Ahod Barack
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin during the twenty sixteen
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: presidential campaign. In the early months of twenty sixteen, after
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: mister Trump surprised the political world by winning the New
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Hampshire Republican primary, Barock emerged as one of a select
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: group of insiders helping to shape Trump's outsider bid for
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the White House. As the Trump momentum grew, Epstein emailed
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: his friend Barock a greeting and a reminder of their
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: shared past, writing, hope.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You are well.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Photos look good, FYI. I received many calls a week
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: about both Donald redacted, Marla beauty contest, mar A Lago, etc.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And Clinton from reporters, less so recently with Clinton, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: my answers are always I have nothing to say, or
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I try to ignore altogether. A few times I've been
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: ambushed on the street with questions, but I'm more careful now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Barack replied, hope you're good, Let's catch up. Epstein then
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: asked for a foex Brock's newborn baby, writing send photos
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of you and child.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Make me smile.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Creepy.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: In April twenty sixteen, with Barock, deeply enmeshed in the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Trump campaign, Epstein reached out again, this time with a warning.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: He forwarded an email, but a potentially damaging lawsuit just
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: filed by women using the pseudonym Katie Johnson. In the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: civil complaints, she alleged Epstein and Trump raped her in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four when she was very young.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: The lawsuit was withdrawn.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Mister Trump denied the accusations, but Epstein wrote he considered
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the legal claim nuts. But I thought you guys should
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: know the documents do not indicate a Barock acknowledge or
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: replied to the email. I think that email where and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: it goes on from there. You guys should take a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: look at you know, it's an extensive set of communications
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: over years, and clearly he knew because he's you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: squaring Epstein. Hey, I hope you're good after your you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: sweetheart deal. Jail term is finished. Clearly he knows what
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: happened here. And they had been close friends previously. But
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that email, right, you know, during the twenty sixteen campaign,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: where he's like, hey, you know, just so you know, oh,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: getting all these questions from reporters to me, That is
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: his way of saying, like you know what I know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and you know people are starting to reach out. It's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: his way of insinuating himself and holding out the threat
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of you know, there's some things I could there's some
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: tales I could tell that would be damaging. And that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: how I read that up. Marla mar A Lago. You know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: getting a lot of questions here about Trump.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Interesting. I mean, one of the things that Ryan has
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: reported with Barak going back to the first Trump administration
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: is what we were talking about, the Parah charges. So
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that's the Foreign Agent Regustration Act, meaning if you are
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: acting on behalf of the UAE, he was accused of
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: not registering under Pharah as an agent of the United
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Arab Emirates. He is now our ambassador to Turkey. We
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: should mention that irrelevant to all of this, the current
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: ambassador to Turkey a NATO ally as they say, so
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Tom Barack is going through in these emails. It's not
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: just some of the social stuff that Krystal mentioned. They're
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: also very clearly having politically significant, politically freighted conversations like
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the Teal conversation that you mentioned. But also then Epstein
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: invests a million dollars in what was his firm was
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: called Colony Capital. After they talked one day. Yeah, so here.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: The day after the meeting with Teal was scheduled, Epstein
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: wrote to Barack, I love teal suggestion regarding women and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: children that every time you're saving lives of cetter, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: think if the tens one thousand women and children died
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: as directors all of your careless interventions, that's likely a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: reference to Teal's like libertarian perspective on things like usaid
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: quote unquote libertarian perspective on that. I'm assuming that's what
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: he meant Teal was talking about. But the day after that,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: CBS reports Epstein purchased approximately one million dollars of stock
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: in Colony Capital, the publicly traded company founded by Barack.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: So if you think that it's a coincidence, the day
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: after they had a meeting where they are discussing Peter
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Teal's suggestions or Peter Til's thoughts theories on how the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: world works, and then Epstein goes purchases a million dollars
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: of stock the day after, I mean, I think that's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: obviously obviously ridiculous. They were also having lunch, Chris, so,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I think you mentioned this. According to the CBS report
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: with a hoop Barock, Epstein, a hoop Barock, litterally Chirkin
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: all at the same time. So to act as though
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Barack or this will be hard for the Trump administration
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to act as though Tom Barock's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: was purely social because clearly it was also business of politics.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's exactly right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And dropsite has another report about the power plays that
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: were being made with Jeffrey Epstein. And this is another
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you know, business deal or series of business deals with
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: former Israeli Prime Minister Aho Barack. We can put this
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: up on the screen here. The focus was on Africa,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and you know the TLDR here is that they saw
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: a genuine crisis in Nigeria. There's an extraordinary email. I'll
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: try to pull it up but from Epstein where he says,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you know all of this, the chaos in the region.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: If this is kind of great for you, isn't it?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And Barack replies basically like yeah, but it's hard to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: turn it into a cash flow.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Well they managed, they managed to do it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So in any case, you know, Nigeria is struggling with
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: this bocohoram terror attacks, and Ahod Barrock wants to position
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: himself as this businessman who can help deal with security issues.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: This is of course a lot of Israeli tech is
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: geared towards because they try it out on Palestinians and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: then they sell it to the world, and so that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: ends up being there in and you know, they start
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: with this small sort of like pilot project, and then
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: they're able to gain a larger foothold and eventually there's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: able to you know, secure various infrastructure deals as well.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And you can see the way that Epstein in all
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of this is acting as a facilitator and a connector
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and a strategist for Ahood Barock to help him position
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: himself as this you know, expert on technology and security
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and offer his services to a variety countries.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's an important point. Also, the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Epstein Bannon relationship important point in this context. Meaning the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: reason and this is this is in the most fundamental,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: basic sense, the problem with public corruption. When you put
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: public policy up for sale, whether you're a Podesta or
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: whether you're Tom Barrock, Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, what you're
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: doing is creating corrupt points of entry into public policy,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: and the reason that you saw people just in total action,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: wheeling and dealing. We've seen it throughout the second Trump
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: administration especially. This is what was happening behind closed doors.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: We now know in Trump one. A lot of this
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: is happening in front of everyone in Trump two. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: the reason for that is they all know each other.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: They've all, you know, traded capital, they've all probably traded
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: secrets and spent social time together, and so they've got
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: this self perpetuating machine right now and it's burring, it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: printing money for them. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I really have taken away
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: to is just how explicitly they see chaos, death, disaster,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: terror attacks as business opportunities. Like it's just it's very naked.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I obviously knew about disaster capitalism and all
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of that, but just to see it spell down of like, hey,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: all these wars are really great for you is really
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: something else.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's been the thing I keep coming back
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to is that while I had an understanding of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: existence of these power structures, I did not understand just
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: how explicit it was. And that's what's wild about reading
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: through these emails. This next one I pulled because I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: specifically wanted to it to hear your thoughts on this,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and it's been a piece that I've been sort of,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know, thinking through. Epstein went out of his way
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to cultivate a lot of scientists and a lot of academics.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Obviously chomp Skiving one of those, but there were many
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: others besides. The New York Times did an article on this,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: which I thought was not really great. It was unsurprised
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to learn, but in any case, it's the headline here
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: is Epstein's ties with academic show the CD side of
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: college fundraising. Professors and presidents are often eager to raise
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: outside cash. Some are now facing blowback after connecting with
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. And the framing of this article is basically like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you know, while some of these elite institutions they have
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: these gigantic endowments, but those are very restricted, so they're
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: still sort of like desperate for cash, and that leads them,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: especially if you're you know, professors trying to get a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: grant for this or that to do the study, It
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: leaves them vulnerable to being preyed upon by someone like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. And the reason why I don't love the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: article is because I think it sort of it lets
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: them off the hook in a sense. It's a way
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to sort of seek to rationalize why, oh, there's an
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: innocent you know, there's a somewhat innocent explanation for what's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: going on here. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that the fundamental premise that like, yes, that that desire
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: for funding for the research itself certainly does leave them vulnerable.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: But to me, it doesn't fully answer the question of
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: why Epstein was so interested in cultivating these academics and
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: why many of them had, you know, extensive back and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: forth relationships with him over years. Especially according to The
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: New York Times reporting, a lot of the funds that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: he would promise or sort of float for these various
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: institutions never actually really came through. So, oh, I'll make
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a multimillion dollar gift and then he's sort of stringing
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: people along and it never really fully comes through.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Etc.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: We also cover on the show did you see this
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: him getting his girlfriend into the Columbia Dental School and
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: all of that, and it was for again, I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this is for normal people, large sums, but for him nothing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: It was like you know a few hundred thousand dollars
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that he was giving to the school and able to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: get in his girlfriend who did not have the requisite
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: experience or credentials to be able to get into this school,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and sort of easing her path all the way through.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And Ryan reported on the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: An Dershowitz and how they collaborated to undermine Meersheimer while
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Dershwitz was I think at Harvard, and part of this
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: is I mean, on some level, it's just it makes
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: sense that if you're a billionaire who's hoping to influence
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: policy and particularly scientific research in this transhumanist direction, having
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: seduced all of these academics and getting him in their orbit,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: on the one hand, you feel like you've consolidated influence
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: because you can bring people into your townhouse. Which the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: emails and we already knew this show was happening over
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and over again, we now have a more complete picture
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: of exactly what was happening, but also the Bill Gates relationship.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: He was in fact probably because giving this money brings
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: you into the circles, I mean, giving money to academia
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: gets you invited all the fundraisers and dinners. That's where
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you meet the people like Bill Gates and others. That's currency.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: That's huge currency to be able to say, why don't
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: you look in at this? Or why don't you look
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: in at that? Or when? And you want to be
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: connected with an NSA codebreaker, you can email Bill Gates's
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: second in command and say, hey, interview it introduced me
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: to someone at the NSA and the guy's like, oh, yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: no problem and takes care of it, which we know
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the sporis Nikolas Fellow, as drop site reported recently, that's
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: what was happening. And so you make it easier. You're
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: greasing the skids for your like grand plan with this
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: money to academia. I agree The Times is kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: letting them off the hook. It is pathetic to see
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: some of the academics in the emails begging basically all
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: but begging Jeffrey Epstein for you know, they're flattering him,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Oh what a wonderful time, what an interesting idea. It's disgusting,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and that's happening over and over again.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I think for some time for some people it really
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: was just research. I actually see that. I know we're
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: about to talk about Peter Attiya. Look at the Atia emails.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: He's a good example of somebody who you're like, okay,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you were sucking up to Jeffrey Epstein if you googled
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: him as Rogan did. Rogan talks about how someone he
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: had a guess who was trying to introduce him that
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Epstiny's like, yeah, I just googled the guy. In like
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: ten seconds later, I was like, no, what are you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not meeting this guy, you know, after he's in prison.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Peter Attilla sucking up big time to Jeffrey Epstein over
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and over again. And all I can say after going
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: through many, many of these messages is many such cases,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: many such well over the place, and yeah, it just
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: well it fits.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: To with your reporting on his eugenics totally obsession. And
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: there's actually we can put a ten up on the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: screen because this fits with this. They new Mexico legislators
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: have just passed legislation to launch the first full investigation
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of what happened at Zora Ranch, where the late US
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's accused of trafficking sexually assaulting girls
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and women, and Zora Ranch seems to be have been
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: at the center of this eugenics scheme, and I don't know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know what.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Could be discovered at this point. Hopefully there's something there
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that could be found. You know, obviously the search should
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: have happened long ago. But you know, we have no
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: idea how far he got down the road of these
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: eugenics ambitions. We do know that there are some emails
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: from remember I think it was like Fergie and like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: some of the British royal types, congratulating him seemingly on
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the birth of a baby. And as far as we know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have any children. So there are some things
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: in there that are not any kind of definitive proof,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: but are like question mark. There are some allegations from victims,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: one girl alleging that he offered to buy her baby,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: things extremely disturbing, things of that nature.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: And again Zorah ran.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: To him, by the way, yes, that's right, you offered
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to buy my baby in an email to Jeffrey that's right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And Zora Ranch and this was reported by the New
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: York Times years ago, was the center of this whatever
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: this eugenics scheme truly was.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we still don't have that. This is one
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: of the big enduring mysteries. I feel like even the
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: most recent release, it has made the picture more complicated
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: and more interesting. But I feel like we haven't even
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: gotten significantly closer to understanding what went on at Zoro
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Ranch because it seems to have been. I mean, all
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: everything is pointing to it being the dark place that
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: it's is kind of legend for having been. Unfortunately that
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: it's notorious for having been, so that part. The other
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: thing I want to mention about academia is Tyler Austin
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Harper had a fantastic essay in the Atlantic. He is
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: so good, he's such a good writer, but about how
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the Melon Foundation has basically controlled the monopoly on funding
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to academic institutions on the humanities over many, many years.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And that's interesting too, because it just goes to show, well,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: if you're close with people in Melon world, guess how
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you can get money for X, Y and Z. Right,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: it's just the consolidation of our supposedly democratic society that's
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: right in the hands of so few powerful institutions and
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the people that lead those powerful institutions. That's what they're
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: getting off on throughout these emails.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: That actually gets to the kind of premise of some
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: of a non geared artist's work about the dark side
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: of philanthropy, where it's exactly that where you know, if
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: it's the Gates Foundation or the you know, the various
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Walmart heirs or the Melons or whoever it is that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: are doing the investing in scientific research or funding various
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: philanthropic projects, then yeah, you're going to be pressured to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: suck up to them, and you're the work that you
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: engage in is going to be very much influenced by
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: whatever their tastes or interests happened to be. In Jeffrey
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Epstein's case, one of those interests was eugenics, and so
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that was the sort of thing that he was looking to,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: you know, facilitate relationships with and potentially provide funding for.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: And everyone else is cooperating, by the way. They're fully
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: on board with this total anti democratic, oligarchic, gallic Arctic
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: effort to change the human race. Yeah, like that's it
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: was normal to them. They're all just like, yeah, okay, cool, interesting.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Interesting Again, they we're in their sandbox, that's how they
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: look at it. The rest of us are in their sandbox.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And still look at how Elon Musk talks about like
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: his you know, breeding project, and I mean there's a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Chinese billionaire who was revealed to have like hundreds of
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: children or something like this. So it's a natural, uh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: a naturally unnatural development from a class of people who
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: thinks they are better than who have various supremacist ideologies
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: that justify that view. You know, Epstein clearly from the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: language that he uses and a bunch of these emails
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: as a Jewish supremacist, you know, Elon has his own
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: like IQ supremacist view, et cetera. But many of them
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: have some ideology which causes them to believe they are
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: different from the rest of the species, which is what
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: enables that dehumanization, is what enables the abuse and the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you know, gortesque behavior that we know occurred in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: case of Epstein. We've got a name, Noahmi Campbell was
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: president in these files, quite a big put a six
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: up on the screen, you know, there's this is a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: new one. Obviously, she's high level model. Makes sense in
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a way because she was one of Victoria's secrets most
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: high profile models. Epstein is connected to Victoria's secret via
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Les Wexner. He apparently would like name drop her with
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: some of the young models that he's looking to cultivate.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: You know, appears that this modeling pipeline from Eastern Europe
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: was one of the ways that abuse was enabled. So
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you know that that is an interesting piece of a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: puzzle in terms of how he's able to, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: persuade these young girls that like, oh no, I'm legit
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: in the modeling industry and I'm gonna make your dreams cometry.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you've been going deep on like over years now
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: on the modeling ties between Jean lup, Bernell Wexner, and Epstein.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I was kindding Trum I saw this and Trump right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I was curious when I saw this it How what
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: is your sense of how the models were aware of
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: any of this.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It's a good question, and I don't think it's really
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: answerable at this point. I mean, we have some indications
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: from the emails, We have some indications from actually some
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: old like documentary footage about these contests. We know there
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: were we know there was you know, at least one
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: party that was held at Mara a Lago where girls
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: were promised like, oh, there's going to be all these
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: VIPs here, You're going to be able to network and
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: then they show up and it's just Trump and Epstein.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So the modeling world is infamous for being a pipeline
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: for human trafficking and for sex trafficking, and Casablanca is
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: who Trump really admired and wanted to emulate, was a
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: known abuser. I mean, he had a relationship with what's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: her name, Stephanie hirsh Is that her name, Stephanie Seymour.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: There we go when she was sixteen years old, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: so this was all this was all known. I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it's disturbing to me that he put his own daughter,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Ivanka into this world when she is a young girl,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen years old, and this is why he wants
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to start his own modeling agency obviously, Epstein, I think
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: this is part of why he latches onto Les Wesner
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: because he sees this connection with Victoria's Secret and holds
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: himself out.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: He was actually.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Rebuked internally at one point because he was holding himself
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: out as he was a Victoria's Secret like recruiter.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: And that was not.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Technically to women.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that was not technically the case, but you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I think they believed a lot of the promises there
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: are probably some upfront like, oh, I'll provide this for you,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I'll provide that for you. And you're also talking about,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you know a lot of poor girls from Eastern Europe
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: after the Soviet Union collapses, who are kind of desperate
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and who are put into this incredibly you know, vulnerable,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: vulnerable situation. All right, let's let's let's go ahead and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: take a look at one piece of this. This is
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the AA, which speaks to what you're talking about here,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Emily in terms of how he's interacting with these girls
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: who are aspiring models. So she's asking I think she
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: attended some dinner with him or whatever, and he's giving
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: her this advice on how she should conduct herself in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the future. He says, it's time you start an education.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I do not say fuck to anyone except in bed,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: especially not at the table. Number two. You are twenty two.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Only ask questions of men. They are not really interested
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in your opinions. That's when you are thirty, and then
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: only marginally.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: That's great, ladies, that's great. Take that one up.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Luckily we both make the cut for at least marginal
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: interest in our opinions.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: That's what the that's what the girl show is and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: so we should call it the marginal marginal interest Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Zone of marginal interests.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Also, that's oh shit, Christal, it's also our.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Bab Anyway, it goes on to say, I'm very respectful
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you've not been taught twenty first century science, so you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: can be forgiven and believing the world's flat, the sun
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: revolves around the earth, or there are energy fields, or
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you can get sick from air conditioning, or magnets can
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: tell what type of yoga poses to do, or Santa
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Claus exists, or if you think positive thoughts, positive things
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: will happen, or things are meant to be fate destny angels.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I realize you have the potential to understand you've learned
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: very old fashioned ideas that country people believe. It's now
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: time you take your life seriously. Actor slash model is
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: not freedom. You have time try them on for size.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Look around. They are not free. Whenning the lottery is
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not a good strategy to bet on start learning a skill.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: If you need help, I will be there. So he
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: and I believe.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Subject line by the way, cloud's taken by me exclamation
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: point amazing.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that mean?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming it was like a picture, but who.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Knows anyway, So you know this is he grooms these
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: girls and then I believe this is one of the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: ones that ends up in some sort of quote unquote relationship.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: With Leon Black.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So he's grooming them how to be with the various
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: rich and powerful men and then he uses them as currency.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And he's well, I shouldn't say grooming, but he's also
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: coaching Larry Summers, for example, on how to have relationships
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: with these younger women who are often mistresses. Yes, it's disgusting.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, one more just to you know, to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: make sure we're all deeply disturbed before we move on
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: to the rest of the show. TMZ with some reporting here,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and by the way, Soccer message us this morning that
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: he did confirm this reporting too. Jeffrey Epstein asked about
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: zombie drug plants he kept at nursery. Jeffrey Epstein may
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: have had a collection of highly poisonous plants known to
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: produce a drug that blocks free will.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: In its victims.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: According to newly discovered emails and one of the uncovered messages,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Epstein sends an email asking about his quote trumpet plants
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: at nursery for background Angel's trumpet plants are extremely toxic.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: They produce a drug called scopalamine, which is known to
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: basically turn humans into zombies, wiping them of memory and
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: eliminating their free will. Severe intoxication reportedly may even cause
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: paralysis and death. Even more alarming, scopalamine does reportedly does
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: not show up on toxicology reports. And if you're wondering
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: if Epstein was aware of this, there's an excellent chance
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: he was. In another email, he was sent an article
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: all about the effects of scopolamine and the plant that
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: it comes from.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Yeahs, Soccer said. He confirmed these emails existed, as Crystal mentioned.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: So that's as disturbing as you'd expect it to be,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: not surprising actually at all, based on the various projects
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: he was getting into in this email inbox. But what
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: that can be used for as it's.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Chilling, Yeah, completely.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and turn to the latest with regard
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to DHS and the mass deportation effort, and especially in
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: regards to several high profile shootings. So let's put this
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: first element up on the screen. The FBI is now
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: officially announced. We kind of knew this already, but now
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it's been completely confirmed. That they are not going to
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: share Alex Pretty shooting evidence, according to Minnesota authorities. Minnesota
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: law enforcement authorities have said the FBI's refusing to share
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: any evidence into its investigation death of Alex Pretty, the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: man killed by federal immigration authorities in late January. Pretty
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: was shot on January twenty fourth by CBP officials in
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Minneapolis's killing came just two days of two weeks, of course,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: after Renee Good was shot and killed. On Monday, Minnesota's
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, a state level criminal investigative law
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: enforcement agency, said the FBI had formally notified it that
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: it would not share any information or evidence related to
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Preddie's shooting. Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas's demanded an impartial investigation
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: into the shootings in Minneapolis. Trump's left hand cannot investigate
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: his right hand, he said on Monday, in response to the
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: FBI's refusal to share evidence. The families of the deceased
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: deserved better, and obviously this is I mean, it's completely like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: there's no defense of it. It's unjustifiable, and the American
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: people want to see overwhelmingly, including many Republicans, want to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: see a real investigation into this want to see charges brought,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you know, against the two CBP agents who shot and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: killed Alex Pretty who was you know, was nonviolent. It
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: was unprovoked and many shots came after he was already lying,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you know, probably dead on the ground. So you know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's outrageous, it's an outrageous abuse of power that they're
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: just saying, Nope, there's going to be no accountability here.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: We're going to handle this and we're not going to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: cooperate whatsoever.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: You know, to your point, it's not surprising this is
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: where we are. It's actually not surprising to me that
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: either Walls and Fry or the Trump administration neither camp
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: trusts the other camp anymore. So, I that doesn't surprise
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: me whatsoever. I don't think it surprised anybody whatsoever. For
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: the administration. On the other hand, this is the case
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: that they I think most prominently, I mean, this is
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: the case that started to really after Rene Good. This
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: was the snowball effect on public opinion and it was
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: already moving against them, but this really blew it all up.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: And why well, in no small part because they put
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: out as third stories at first, and so if they
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: want people to trust their investigation while also not cooperating
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: with local authorities. The big problem as far as the
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: public is going to be concerned, is that this administration
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: misled the public immediately and even to the point where
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the president has disagreed with some of the early statements,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: actually has openly disagreed with some of the early statements
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: that were made by his own administration. And so if
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: you want to have I mean, I think I remember
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: saying about this case, this is where you're If you
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: want to carry out mass deportations, that's your political goal,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: you need to have a lot of public trust in
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: order to do that in a way that politically makes sense,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: but also in a way that you can logistically be
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: in these communities and actually be engaged in deportation. The
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: public trust in this case was broken in a way
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: that was flagrant. Like it was so the saying that
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: he wanted to massacre people. That's what their early story
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: was about, and what clearly came to the thing to
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: massacre people, Yes, that was their line. And so like
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: you can be on either side of the party thing
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and look at what the Trump administration didn't say, Holy, like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: you guys don't have trust on this don't you do
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: not have the public trust.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I think it also shows how thin the you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: change in stance is, because they obviously they sent in
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Tom Homan instead of Greg Bovino. Now they've said, okay,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: we're done with this surge of agents in Minneapolis, We're
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: moving on to other things. And yet on you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: this shooting, which was has been the most high profile.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I think you're right, it's really been a turning point
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: in terms of public sentiment. There was already a major
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: degradation of trust. There was already a lot of horror
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: what had been done, but this was really a galvanizing
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and horrifying moment for many, many millions of people. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: so on this critical case, there's still not budging an
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: inch effectively. Another one that there was another shooting shortly
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: after Alex Party was killed by CBP agents in Minneapolis
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that we covered here on the show because immediately, well,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't trust these people at all,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: So when they come out with the story, I'm like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: they're probably lying, And that instinct has been justified every
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: single time thus far. In any case, there was another shooting.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: This person ended up surviving, but the government story and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: some footage that was released by the family where they
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: were calling nine to one one immediately. There were contradictions
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: in what was going on here. So the government story
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: was that the immigration agents were assaulted by multiple people,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: one how to broom, one how to shovel, and in
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: fear for their life, they fired shots, et cetera. They
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: filed charges against the people that they said had been involved. Well,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: now those charges have been dropped and they're admitting that
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: the agents involved lied about everything that occurred here. So
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: we can put this up on the screen from NPR.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: DHS says immigration agents appear to have lied about shooting
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Two federal immigration agents involved in the shooting
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: of a Venezuelan and immigrant in Minneapolis last month appear
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: to have lied about the details of the incident. The
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: agents have been placed on administrative leave after a joint
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: review by ICE and DOJ of video evidence that has
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: revealed that sworn testimony provided by two separate officers appear
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: to have made untruthful statements. That is from Trichia McLaughlin.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: The rare acknowledgment of potential missteps by ICE agents comes
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: after the agency's acting director, Todd Lions told Congress on Thursday.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Ices conducted thirty seven investigations into officers' use of force
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: over the past year. He did not say whether anyone
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: has been fired. McLaughlin said the agency is investigating that
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: January fourteenth shooting of the Venezuela and Immigrant.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: The officers involved could be fired or.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Criminally prosecuted for any violations, So they're even holding out
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the possibility that they could be charged for lying in
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: this sworn testimony. And you definitely get the sense that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: what happened here kind of similar to what happened with
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Marmar Martinez in Chicago, which obviously we've obviously covered extensively
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: here on the show as well, is that once there
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: was video evidence that you know, was just fairly definitive
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: that what they said was a complete and total lie,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: they had to drop the charges against her and they
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: had to back off. Now she is filed a civil
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: suit against, you know, against the people who were involved
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: here and possibly against the government itself because she was
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: shot five times and the body camera evidence shows that
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: they were the ones who instigated the confrontation, that they
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: were not in danger, that the basic facts of them
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: claiming that they were blocked in by a variety of cars,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: totally completely false and made up. And so now we
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: have another instance where they got their hands on some
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: kind of video evidence and we're like, oh, this is
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: not going to hold up in a court law.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: So, and this is another example where the public trust
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: is extremely important, because it is true that there have
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: been some efforts to resist deportation, and there have been
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: some violent efforts to this deportation. That is true, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: so when you lie about it, you make it less,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: You make your entire argument less credible along the way.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, is it possible that they're
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: being lied to by their own agents in the field,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: by the way, who aren't in mass wearing body cameras.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Some of them are wearing body cameras, but ICE has
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: a ton of money they can afford to put every
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: single one of them in body cameras. So is it
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: possible that if you're sitting at DHS in Washington, you're
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: getting information about what happened, You have your agents say
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: this is what happened. This guy came to massacre, this
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: person was fighting us, this person was violent, and DHS
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: puts out a statement trusting you. Then it all blows up.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: They're a mess. I mean, they're very clearly mess this
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: type of thing. It's understandable that it would when you're
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: engaged in what you and I disagree on the deportation efforts,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: no matter what, that's going to be chaotic. But they
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: are even by that standard, they're a mess. They're all
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: over the place. They're making their own work more difficult,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: very clearly.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: It's so I mean, you're right that I, you know,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: totally agree with the entire project. But it's so easy
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: to just say say disagree. Yeah, we just don't disagree.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, I haven't want you over yet. I'll keep
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: working on it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: In anyways, it's so easy to just say we're investigating,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: we're looking into it, because if that's the problem, that
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: their agents are lying to them. And I think you
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: were right on the alex Party one. I looked into
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: it enough that it seemed like the agents on the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: ground were like he pulled a gun on it, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: they just believed it and ran with it. Ye yeah, yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, and they want and they wanted to
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and they don't care ultimately, if they're lying to the public.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: They don't care if their statements are truthful. What they
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: care about is backing up their you know, thugs on
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: the ground in every instance that they possibly can. So
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: if they're given a colorable story, they're happy to run
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: with it. So put the next one up on the screen,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: just so you can see how Noah framed this quote
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: unquote attack. Originally, she said, what we saw last night
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Minneapolis was an attempted murder of federal law enforcement. Our
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: officer was ambushed and attacked by three individuals who beat
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: him with snowshovels and the handles of brooms. Fearing for
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: his life, the officer fired a defensive shot. Mayor Frey
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and Governor Wallace have to get their city under control.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: They're encouraging impeding an assault against their law enforcement, which
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: is a federal crime, a felony. This is putting the
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: people of Minnesota in harm's way. And so now they
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: filed charges against these individuals who allegedly tried to murder
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: federal law enforcement official. Those charges have been dropped because
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: they found out all of this total incomplete garbage in
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: a lie.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Again, we've like so rarely gone back to what happened
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: in Dallas when there was an attempted shooting on ice
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: officers that, by the way, ended up hurting migrants themselves.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: It's not out of the question that people are trying
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: to harm ice agents. It's a politically polarized issue and
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: it just bringing crazies out. So it's no question that
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: that is happening. The degree to which is happening is
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: more debatable, but there's no question that that's happened. So
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: when you take advantage of that to lie and spin, yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: you lose the public trust.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: And how many people who are Fox News watchers are
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: going to only hear the original Oh, they tried to
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: murder law enforcement with brooms and shovels, and never hear
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: the by the way, that was all garbage, and we
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: could no longer sustain these lies because there's video evidence
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and we had to drop the charges.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Oops were moving.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Well. I think that was a problem in the pretty
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: case because as soon as I mean that Fox was playing,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I had Fox CNN MS on like constantly, I was
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: watching them playing. Fox was playing that footage all the time.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: And if you are, you know, a gun owning conservative,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: you saw that footage and you saw what the administration said.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: And so I think the inescapability of the videotape is
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: part of the trust problem for DHS, and that they
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: one thing, the video comes out, so even people who
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: may otherwise be insulated from the following stories, yeah, have
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: seen it, and that probably does explain. I mean, American
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Compass had a really good piece from someone in Ohio,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Amber Lap, who was talking to people in her very
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: blue collar area about what they think Trump voters about
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: what they think on immigration, and a lot of them like,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: we don't like seeing what we're seeing. Yeah, people being
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: pulled out of cars and the crackdown. Now that wasn't
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: true of everyone, but it is, like the video is
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: that is pervasive, Like that is seeping into everybody's news diets, and.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It's part of why they have been so aggressive about
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: you have all of these organized citizens who are out
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: there in the streets to observe and record, and why
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: they've been so offended by that and so aggressive in
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: their tactics against those people who are just standing there
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: with iPhones recording. At the same time, there's a you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: funding fight. DHS is actually shut down right now because
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Democrats are holding the line for some kind of changes
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: with regard to this, you know, immigration enforcement.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: They are funded on a stopgap measure because of something
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: that was in the one.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Big beautiful bill. That's right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, let's be clear here in the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: short term ICE CBP, they're not going to suffer.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: They have plenty of funding. They're functioning as usual, yes, And.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Most of DHS, frankly is functioning as usual because most
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: of the function of DHS are considered to be essential,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: so even in a shutdown they continue. In any case,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: this is the NBC you can put up with the screen.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Lawmakers and the White House offer no signs of compromise
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: on in their battle over oversight of federal immigration officers
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that has led to a pause in funding for DHS.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Partial government shutdown began Saturday after Congressional Democrats and Trump's
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: team failed to reach a deal on legislation of fund
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: the department through September. Democrats are demanding changes to how
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: immigration operations are conducted. Congress on recess until February twenty three.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Both sides appear to be dug into their positions, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I think from it's hard to see how this gets
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: resolved because from the Democrats perspective, they're like, you know,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: why would we given why would we the base is
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: really demanding that something be done here, and they don't
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: have the problem they had in the previous shutdown, where
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you've got the whole government shut down and there's real
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: pain that is happening for workers and the Americans are
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: experiencing the impacts of the shutdown, and you've got air
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: travel screwed up and all of that. Like, you don't
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: have that, which is why personally, I think it was
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: a mistake to go along with this idea of hey,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: we'll pass all the other funding bills and we'll just
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: separate out this piece, because that pressure is important point
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: of leverage in any case. So they don't have that
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: pain point that was a problem for them holding their
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: ranks together. Republicans are like, well, we don't care because
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: ICE and CBP still have all of their funding, So
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: why would we bend an inch, Why would we give
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you anything that you want? And so I think this
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: could continue for quite a while. Can be five up
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: on the screen. Ryan Cooper made the case for what
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: he says keeping ICE and CBP defunded. He says Democrats
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: should not provide one thin dime to MAGA storm troopers
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: and argues that yeah, Okay, they've got this money from
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: the Big Beautiful Bill. It gave ICE seventy five billion dollars,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: more than seven times it's annual budget, much more money
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: than any military in the world except for China's and Americas.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: CBP also received tens of billions of dollars in its
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: own right. Both agencies can draw on this money continue
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: operations during a shutdown. That said, he says, denying baseline
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: annual funding is still substantial cut for ICE and CBP,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: and the longer it persists, the deeper the funding reduction
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: will be. Democrats should stick to this line as long
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: as Trump is in office. These agencies should get no
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: funding through the traditional budget whatsoever. After all, they already
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: have more than they need. And so his argument that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of Democrats will find compelling is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: basically like, no, you shouldn't be providing any funding to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: them at all, and yes, have plenty of money to operate.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: But if this goes on for years, then you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: every year there's less and less for them to be
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: able to work with, and it creates more and more
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: difficulties the longer that time goes on.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: I do think one problem that Democrats should be aware
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: of is for political problem for them is that the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: policy of deporting people who are not supposed to be here.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: The public is still pretty split on that. There's still
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: pretty significant public support and it's a midterm yar now.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Democrats are in primaries right now, which means they're focused
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: on the base part of the election. And actually midterms
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: period are base elections, meaning you want to electrify your base,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: and one of the ways to do that would be
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: to give clearly what the Democratic base is demanding, which
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: is defunding ICE. Yeah, and just putting up a fight
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: to We talked about that when the government when Haakim
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Jeffries led his half hearted government shut down and was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: the most pathetic display, but it was rooted in finally
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: acknowledging that so many dumb voters just want to see
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: you fighting, like just do something, do something. We know
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: that you're still supportive of Netanyahu. Halfy, you just took
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: a picture with him, like smiling, like we get it,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: but like, just show us that you're listening and that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: you'll fight at all. So it's an obvious base move,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: but you have to play it carefully because you know
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: members of the public mean they still want to see
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: a sane immigration policy, and I do think that's a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: problem for Democrats coming to the table with something that's better,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: that's not just outright stopping deportations, and even if it's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: defunding ICE, then explaining what that would mean for people
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: who are not supposed to be here.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, the polling indicates that completely abolishing ICE, which
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: is not with.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: This, it has gone up.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a plurality position. Now I don't think it's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: achieved outright majority.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Support, but it is the it has among Democrats.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, among Democrats it's like overwhelmingly popular, but among
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: independence it's also quite popular. And the you know, I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: think overwhelmingly the public has moved towards Democrats on seeing
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: this as extremely abusive wanting. I was looking at the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: polling yesterday on you know, the checks that they want
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, things like body cameras. Some eighty
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: ninety percent want to see body cameras them being unmasked.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: It's like some seventy five percent say yes, they should
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: be unmasked. You know, all of these basic accountability metrics
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly popular, and so for Republicans to dig in on no,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: we want to keep our masked thugs in the street
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: with no body cameras or accountability. I don't see that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: as a winning political position for them, and so I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: think for Democrats to stay dug in on this matter
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: and really push the issue. No, we're not voting for
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: this as long as you have zero accountability for these
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: people who are not even cooperating the alex Party investigation.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's like a clear cut political winner for Democrats.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: And it's the right thing to do too, by the way,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: which also matters.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: New York Times. Yeah, I mean, I think the mass
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: and they should be looking and I think in fact
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: they are looking at independent voters, which is why they
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: said they were putting body cameras on the operation Metro
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: surch guys a couple of weeks ago. Obviously that operations
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: now over. I guess we'll see what happens, but yeah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: I think they were that was a response to looking
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: at independence, especially after what happened with Good and Pretty.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: A New York Times headline from a few weeks ago,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: voters are split on deportations but disapprove of ice poll fines.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: So this is according to Times. A recent Times Siena poll.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: So Yeah, That's what I'm saying is I think you're right, Crystal,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: that the politics of anti Ice on the left right
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: now are really powerful.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I just think politically for Democrats, voters do want them
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: to have an answer that isn't just anti Trump on
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: immigration and that.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Way, I think that'll matter in twenty twenty eight. Right now,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I think just being in the operation and I would
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: like to see that as well, But I think right now,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: just being opposed to what is happening is, you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: is enough for It's enough in a Yeah, And I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: just pulled up ninety support for requiring bodycams, eighty six
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: percent for detention TOI to meet basic standards, eighty five
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: percent requiring DHS to verify someone's a non citizen before
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: arresting them, eighty one percent for independent investigation, seventy seven
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: percent requiring DHS to show warrants before entering private properties,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: seventy six percent for requiring DHS agents to identify themselves,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: seventy one percent for ending racial profiling, sixty seven percent
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: for banning DHS agents from engaging in areas around schools, hospitals,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: courts and courts, churches, et cetera. So, you know, I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: think they feel they're on solid ground. And you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: given that, how like finger in the winds, the Hakeem
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Jefferies of the world are. I don't think they would
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: be going down this path if they didn't have like
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: ninety percent support on a variety of these measures.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I was thinking of the Senate, like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I should go look and see what Dan Osborne has
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: said about some of the stuff, like the Senate races
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: in either red or purple states where dums have a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: real chance of toppling a Republican. I mean, if if
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Democrats want to retake the Senate with the level of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: unpopularity that Trump has, it's there. I mean, I think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: people are skeptical of it. They would have to take
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: like four seats.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Osbourne has been has been quite outspoken about the violations
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: of constitutional rights interesting you know, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And in fact, he came equipped to our
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: segment we did with him with a pocket constitution. Oh,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: that's awesome for him to be able to whip out
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: to talk about that. We actually didn't get to that,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: but he was like afterwards, he was like, oh, I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: didn't get to choose my podcast Constitution because you didn't
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: ask me enough about ice.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: That's where he is.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: But then I also think that would be a good
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: race me we show them back on, but that would
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: be a good race where voters want to say or
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: want to hear you say. But here's what I think
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: actually should happen.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he talked about he did talk to us
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: about comprehensive immigration reform. Soccer was prossing him a bit
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: on and that sort of stuff. So he's been you know,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I think he's been fairly outspoken about seeing these abuses
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: as unconscionable. Let's go and move on to more more
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: potential constitutional violations with the voting rights, with the Trump
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: attack on voting rights and you know, whatever they're trying
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: to do to mess with the midterms. We got some
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: new comments from Christy Noam talking about how they need
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: to make sure they're getting the right voters to the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: polls to vote for the right people.
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  Speaker 4: Let's listen to that.
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  Speaker 7: And elections is another one of those critical infrastructure responsibilities
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: that I have as well, and I would say that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: many people believe that it may be one of the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: most important things that we need to make sure we
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: trust is reliable and that when it gets to election day,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: that we've been proactive to make sure that we have
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: the right people voting, electing the right leaders to lead
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: this country through the days that we have, knowing that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: people can trust.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: It so the right people to vote for the right candidates.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: And this is comes amid a push from Trump in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: a variety of directions. Obviously, they seize the Fulton County ballots.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: It's part of some stop to steal conspiracy. Tolcy Gabbard
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: was there for some reason. They've been suing states to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: try to force them to hand over their voter less
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: They're trying to pass this what's it called the Save Act?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is, and that would require very
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: stringent not just like a regular driver's lives. Then you'd
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: have to have a real ID or passport. They've also
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: closed down a bunch of passport office to make it
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: harder to get a passport.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: If you need that.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: In any case, let's go and put Trump's truths up
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: on the screen here, he says, the Democrats refuse to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: vote for voter ID or citizenship. The reasons very simple.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: They want to continue to cheat in elections. This was
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: not what our founders desired. I've searched the depths of
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: legal arguments. Oh, I'm sure he has not yet articulated
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: or vetted on the subject. You can just imagine him
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: in the law library Emily, late at night, researching the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: depths the depths of legal arguments, and will be presenting
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: an irrefutable one. In the very near future, there will
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: be voter id for the MITTERM elections, whether approved by
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Congress or not. Also, the people of our country are
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: insisting on citizenship and no mail in ballots, with exceptions
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: for military disability, illness, or travel. Thank you for your
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: attention to this matter. So not only pushing the Save
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Act pieces but also saying we're going I'm going to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: unilaterally get rid of the mail in ballots, which of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: course has been a nemesis of him since twenty twenty, etc.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know what case he's going
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: to make here to put forward. It's pretty clear cut
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: that the states are responsible for running the elections. They're
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: allowed to have whatever rules, including rules around mail in ballots,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: that they pass through their legislature or whatever their process is.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: So we'll see here.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: But This clearly comes as he is engaged in, I think,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: throwing whatever he can against the wall to try to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: mess with the midterm elections, as his approval rating continues
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: to plumb it and he recognizes he's in trouble in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: terms of, you know, how the population feels about him,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: how they feel about the Republican Party, and how the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: midterms are likely to go.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I hate the way Trump talks about elections,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: and part of that is because of what we were
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: discussing even with Ice, which is that I tend to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: think there are some real concerns. I mean, so non
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: citizens vote in Washington DC elections, for example, I live
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. I think that's wrong. There are
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: other laws that allow non citizens to vote in elections
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: around the country. I don't think that's right, and I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: think it's common sense that people should have to show
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: IDs everything is real ID now unfortunately, so that's stuff.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a question of federalism and the power
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: of the states to be sure. I don't have a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: problem at all with the Save Act. I think actually
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: it could help boost people's trust and especially like MAGA,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: people's trust in elections and in a way that's ultimately healthy.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: On the other hand, to act as though this is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: some sort of significant threat like that there is you
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: know that in the twenty twenty six midterm elections there
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: could be a significant threat from non citizens flooding elections
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: and throwing them to Democrats. That I think is irresponsible.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: And I think it's partially responsible because again, you do
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: have non citizens who are being able to register to vote,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: and so then you may have problems where people are
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: registered to vote and vote, not just in the local election,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: the federal election. That stuff does get confusing. So I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: think partially it's irresponsible because there's a legitimate problem. From
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: my perspective at least, so I hate the way that
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: he talks about elections. I mean, the way Ben Ben
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: SaaS put it after January sixth was that Trump had
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: been quote playing with fire in the way that he'd
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: discussed what happened that November, and I think that still
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: applies very much.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: So the impact of the Save Act would be that
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: millions of people are unable to vote, and there just is.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: They're able to get their ideas. I mean, would it
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: would be.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: A hurdle, It would be a significant hurdle. It doesn't
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: mean they're able to vote, but it would be.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, and it's intentionally designed as a significant hurdle
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: to make it so that there are fewer people able
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: to vote.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: And it's a reasonable hurdle.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Not in the case of what they're actually demanding here,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: which is again not just like your driver's life, since
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: isn't enough. It has to be a real ID and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: that is fairly expensive. So you also at the same
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: time are closing passport offices, so passport would be considered valid,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: but it's much harder to get a passport.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: It's a huge backlog, et cetera.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: So I think you know it's an intentional it's an
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: intentional effort to limit and restrict the number of people
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: who can vote. The assault on mail in balloting same thing.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it's an attempt to This is known now
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: that more Democrats mail in their ballots, So guess what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to go after a mail in balloting. This
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: has been a switch in the dynamics post COVID, and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. I mean,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I understand the theoretical case that you're making. There are
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: very few instances that have been identified of non citizens
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: who are actually able.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: To cast a ballot.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: So why are we de facto putting up hurdles in
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: the way people exercising their right to vote to solve
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: a problem that doesn't exist. And at the same time,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I also just think it's like, I just don't think
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that it's even useful to really talk about what Trump
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: is doing here as legitimate because at the same time
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I mentioned how they're suing states to get their voter roles,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: and all the Republican states have already sent in their
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: voter roles, and they're using this tool on it to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: supposedly identify non citizens who've been who are on the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: voter roles for them to purge. And this tool is
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: a total, incomplete disaster. So we can put C three
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: up on the screen. This was some reporting from the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Texas Tribune. Federal tool to check voter citizenship keeps making mistakes.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: It led to confusion in Texas. They say when County
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Clerk Breonna Lenin got an email in November saying a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: newly expanded federal system in flag seventy four people on
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: the country's county's voter role as potential non citizen, she
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: was taken Aback. Lenin, who had run elections in Boone County,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Missouri for seven years, had heard the tool might not
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: be accurate. The flag voters registration paperwork confirmed lenin suspicion.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: The form for the second personal list bore the initials
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: of a member of her staff who had helped the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: man register at his naturalization ceremony. Later turned out more
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: than half the Boone County voters identified as non citizens
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: were actually citizens of similar situation has been playing out
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: in Texas, where county clerks have likewise found numerous examples
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: of misidentified voters across the state. This is out of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: a playbook that has been used most extensively. I think
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: in the state of Georgia, where Georgia passed a law
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: where any any person can challenge the voting rights of anybody.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: And so you had a group of activists who would
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: challenge like thousands of people at a time, and they
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: would get de facto thrown off the voter rolls, and
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you would have situations where they would go through States
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: would go through also and try to do this automated
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: you know, matching of Okay, let's see if this person
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: is genuinely citizen, whether they've changed addresses, etc. And some
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: of the names that you're talking about here are very
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: common names. So you know, if you've got a guy
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: named one Carlos, and one of them is a citizen
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: who's rightfully registered vote in Fulton County and the other
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: is not, they would kick him off the ballot and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: it caused all sorts of incidents where you know, the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: ballots with all of these legitimate voters perge from the rules.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: And now this is what the Trump administration is trying
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: to do in states across the country. As I said before,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Republican states are going along with it. Democratic states are
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: resisting this direction. The Trump administration is suing them to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: try to get access to their vetererals so they can
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: make some case, they can analyze the data and make
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: them kiss Oh my god, there's all these illegitimate voters,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: and it's part of a larger scale attack on the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: midterm elections. You know, some of these things are like
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: within the bounds of what are ugly and at times
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: undemocratic politics, are like the gerrymandering fight, and some of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: them are completely out of bounds, like when Steve Bannon suggests, hey,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: let's have ice agents at the poll to intimidate people
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: so that they don't show up. Or when Trump suggests, hey,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: we should nationalize elections, Hey, I've decided that I've come
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: up with some legal argument that would allow me unilaterally
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: to end in mail in ballots, not even through an
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Act of Congress, but just me, myself and I through
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: an executive order. So yeah, obviously there's a lot of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: reason why people are deeply concerned about what this is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: going to look like for twenty twenty six and twenty
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: twenty going forward.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm counting among them. I'm one of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: the people that feels like, I mean, some of the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: started in twenty sixteen with Hillary Clinton flirting with this
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: idea that the there was a Russian effort to mess
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: with voting and that some of the election had been thrown.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of Democrats who were flirting with
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: that idea at the time, even to the point of
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: saying voting machines might have been the problem, but nothing
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: compared to what Trump did after he lost the twenty
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: twenty election, and from there it just exploded. You know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Georgia is a basically there's nobody who denies that Georgia
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: had so many people who voted in their prior area
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: of residence incorrectly that it was more than the margin
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: which was like eleven thousand. They were like fifteen thousand
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: people who voted that and doesn't mean that their votes
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: were not legitimate votes, right, they were legitimate votes, but
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: they were done incorrectly. And that's the type of thing
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: that makes people say, oh, fraud would be easy to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: do in Georgia, and so people lose trust in the system.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: And that's where I actually honestly think there's a case
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: for the Save Act from that perspective that you have
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: so many people on the right who now just trust
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: elections like it's it's almost like how Brokana talks about
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: his billionaire tax being anti revolutionary. From my perspective, a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: case for save where you have, you know, if we
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: allowed everybody to vote on their phones, that would be
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: mass enfranchisement of voting. I don't agree with that. I
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: think voting should happen the same day, but it should
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: be a national holiday, everybody should get it off and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: all that kind of thing. That's not what Trump is pushing,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: of course. So yeah, it's partisan.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Politics and the distrust doesn't just come out of nowhere.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: And it's not just because like, oh, things were messy
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: in Georgia. I mean every election because it's run because
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: it's you know, federalized, or it's it's states, yeah, states,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: it's not run nationally, and so you're always going to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: have some oh something weird happened here, the line was
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: too long there, et cetera. It's the nature of our election.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: The reason that Republicans have lost trust is because Trump
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: told them that twenty twenty was rigged and spun up
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: an entire election conspiracy and tried to put fake electorates
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: electors forward and you know, incited people to you know,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: January sixth and all of that.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Well, he was platforming Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani's debinion voting.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Which he continues to do. And you know, I mean
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: that's the other piece of this is you've got Maduro
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: sitting in prison. I no longer think that it's crazy
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: at all to imagine they're gonna they're going to strike
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: some deal with him where he claims, oh, yeah, I
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: totally rigged twenty twenty.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: You're right, you got me, Me and the.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Ghost of Hugo javas rigged it, rigged it against you
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: and for Biden, and use that as a pretext to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: say the whole thing is fraudulent. It's all rigged. Them
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: declaring some sort of a national emergency and trying to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: seize power. And it's an open question how much he's
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: able to get away with. But that's what he's constantly testing.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: What can I get away with? Can I get away
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: with sending in the federal.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Can I get away with the third term?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Can yeah? Can I get away with the third term?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Can I get away with seizing you know, the ballots
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: in Fulton County and spinning up this fake thing and
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: sending in Tulci gabberd. Can I get away with with
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: having ice go to the polls and intimidate people. He's
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: constantly pressing like where is the where's the limit?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Where is the limit? Where's the limit?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: And then he'll have to he'll get checked like he
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: did in Minneapolis and have to pull back a little bit,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: But then it'll, you know, he'll just continue pushing forward.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: And this term he only has people around him who
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: are in support of those most maximalist aims or who
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: are actively like Steven Miller in favor of the most
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: maximalist approach to these things. I found it very chilling
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: when he told The New York Times, I regret not
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: sending the National Guard in to seize the ballot boxes
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but I don't know if they'd be
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: up to it. My guess is that he thinks that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: ICE would be up to you know, something like that.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: And that's why you know he's They've got so much funding, so.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: They have DHS secretary talking about it.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: That's why the DHS secretary is talking about it exactly right.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's true. Let's put this pro
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: public cover up on the screen. Speaking of Georgia, headline
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: here is the conservative researcher being linked to the FBI
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: seizure of election records in Georgia. Their lead is a
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: conservative researcher whose theories have often been rejected by Georgia
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: election overseers and who once pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: charge of voyeurism, is emerging as a central figure in
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: the investigation that culminated in the FBI's shocking seizure of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty election records from Fulton County Georgia in late
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: January that Theah Crystal was just referencing with Tulsa Gabbard.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, so this is a total crank named Kevin Monkla.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: He's a lesser known crank than like Sidney Powell or
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Mike Lindell. Yeah, I didn't even know his name, some
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: of the well known cranks from twenty twenty. This is
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: a lesser known crank who I think is affiliated with that,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: you know, Stop the Scale affiliated organization, the Election Integrity Network,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: which has been very influential in terms of personnel placements
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: within the Trump administration. And so not only are they
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: relying this guy whose theories are of course completely discredited. Oh,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: by the way, he was found guilty of his voyeurism
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: charge for putting cameras in his own bathroom to spy
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: on the HouseGuests that were staying with him, including in
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: his house in his own bathroom, including two young children.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: So this is the quality of the people that they
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: are relying on here for some of their theories.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Man, like you said, cringe or not cringe fringe cranks
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: that combined them into cringe cranky fringe people. Yeah, I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: guess you could call it cringe