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The Late Debate | 24 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome they wait to base.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Denika to Giorgio and Freier Leitch. Is what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight? China's third in charge is in Australia at
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  Speaker 2: the moment.
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  Speaker 1: He had meetings at.
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  Speaker 2: Parliament in Cambridge to day. He's there again tomorrow. He's
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  Speaker 2: even meeting with the Prime Minister. But staffers have been
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  Speaker 2: told to turn off their phones and computers and to
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  Speaker 2: expect the Wi Fi to go down. I wonder why
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  Speaker 2: that could be, as if violence in Melbourne wasn't bad enough.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that in just a moment. An
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary story on the front of tomorrow's Herald Son about
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  Speaker 2: how often schools are going into lockdown due to violent students.
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  Speaker 2: And a watch that belonged to the richest man on
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  Speaker 2: the Titanic has sold at auction. We'll tell you later
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  Speaker 2: how much it's sold for. But a little spoiler, you
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  Speaker 2: might still have to be the richest man on the
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  Speaker 2: Titanic to afford it. But as I just said, we
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  Speaker 2: will talk about violence in Melbourne where else. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many times this year I've opened the program
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  Speaker 2: with an only in victorious story. But here we are
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  Speaker 2: again and this is a really sad one. A twenty
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  Speaker 2: three year old disabled man in Victoria over the weekend
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  Speaker 2: had his house broken into by mashette wielding bandits for
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  Speaker 2: the fourth time. This was part of a spate of
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  Speaker 2: break ins in Melbourne over the weekend, which in and
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  Speaker 2: of itself is wholly unremarkable these days, which is quite
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  Speaker 2: sad to.
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  Speaker 1: Even think about.
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  Speaker 2: But this man, in particular, twenty three years old, disabled.
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  Speaker 2: Presumably they keep targeting his house, fourth time they've done it.
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  Speaker 1: Presumably they keep targeting his.
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  Speaker 2: House because they know he is disabled, and so they
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  Speaker 2: know he is defenseless. It is hard to think of
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  Speaker 2: a scummier at than that.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look.
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  Speaker 3: Five master offenders smashed the bedroom window of the Heidelberg
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  Speaker 3: West house and all climbed inside. For around five minutes
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  Speaker 3: they ransacked the home. One thug was captured, leaving with
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  Speaker 3: a full bag as he smashed the doorbell camera.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, there are scum and then there are
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  Speaker 2: top of the top scum, and you are among them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry you want to go break into houses. We
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  Speaker 2: know that's going on in Melbourne. But if you deliberately
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  Speaker 2: choose to pick on a disabled man who is now
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  Speaker 2: too scared to live in his own home. Over the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: he went back and moved in with his mother because
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  Speaker 2: he does not feel safe in his own home anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you deserve the severest punishment they can find.
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  Speaker 2: Here is the man's mother. He's terrified, he's shaken, he
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  Speaker 2: can't sleep, he keeps crying, he keeps shaking. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: thankful that he's alive and he didn't have to witness
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  Speaker 2: the machetes in his face or.
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  Speaker 4: Anything more horrific.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how foul is that? Just cinder Allen.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're paying attention every time he's oh, Melbourne safe,
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne's safe. Go and tell that to a disabled man
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  Speaker 2: who was too scared to live in his own house anymore,
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  Speaker 2: has to go back and live with his mum because
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  Speaker 2: he's been done over four times and presumably cannot defend himself.
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  Speaker 2: This is where we're at in Melbourne. And it's one
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  Speaker 2: thing to talk about the political side of it, but
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  Speaker 2: if you are, as I said before, continually going to
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  Speaker 2: break into a disabled man's house, you've crossed the line
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  Speaker 2: from being a petty criminal who's caught up in the
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  Speaker 2: trend of what's happening in Melbourne, and you've just gone Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a toss about anything anyone.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just do anything to get a thrill, law or
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  Speaker 1: a dollar.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, the saddest part about this is that
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  Speaker 5: this is just another day in Victoria, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that this is literally what people are experiencing
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  Speaker 4: day in, day out.
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  Speaker 5: But to go after the most vulnerable in society that
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  Speaker 5: takes on a whole new level. And it's not just
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  Speaker 5: this poor disabled man. This is why these young kids
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  Speaker 5: target the elderly, because they know that they can get
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  Speaker 5: away with it. My concern here is that these kids
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  Speaker 5: are experts. They know exactly what they're doing, that they
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  Speaker 5: are out smarting all of us. They're aren't smarting all Victorians,
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  Speaker 5: They're out smarting the justice system. And what this is
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  Speaker 5: is this is another example of Justinto Alan's tough.
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  Speaker 4: On crime approach working.
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  Speaker 5: This is another example of justinto Allan's machete bins working.
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  Speaker 5: This is another example of justinto Alan's.
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  Speaker 4: Tough bail law approach.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we don't know the background of these criminals,
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  Speaker 5: but a lot of them have been through the justice
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  Speaker 5: system time and time again.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it.
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  Speaker 5: They go through, they get a slap on the wrist,
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  Speaker 5: they go back out.
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  Speaker 4: They reoffend.
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  Speaker 5: So you may as well not even bother having these
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  Speaker 5: tough bail law laws because they're pretty much rendered useless
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  Speaker 5: if the magistrates and the judges are not going to
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  Speaker 5: follow them, they know.
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  Speaker 4: That they can get away with it.
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  Speaker 5: And on the other question, and we don't talk about
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  Speaker 5: this enough, where are the parents?
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  Speaker 4: Where are the parents?
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  Speaker 5: Assuming these are youth offenders, right, they've got their faces covered,
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  Speaker 5: But once.
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  Speaker 4: Again, where are the parents? Do the parents go? Oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, young Johnny, he's not home for dinner. Again,
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  Speaker 4: it's six pm. At nine, he's still not home for dinner. Nothing.
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  Speaker 5: And I just think it's time for parents to start
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  Speaker 5: stepping up and taking some responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel so sorry for this poor man, and
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you wholeheartedly, Caleb.
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  Speaker 5: Lock them up and teach them a lesson. I don't
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  Speaker 5: care how old they are.
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  Speaker 4: Lock them up.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I can't even say any what I would want
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  Speaker 2: done to them because we don't have capital punishment in
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  Speaker 2: this country. But like it is, like, if you're doing
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  Speaker 2: that to people who are defenseless, you know, knowingly breaking
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  Speaker 2: into an elderly person, so it's only breaking into a
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  Speaker 2: disabled person's house terrifying to the point.
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  Speaker 1: That they don't want to live there anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It is hard to think beyond murder and rape of
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  Speaker 2: something that is more damaging to someone.
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  Speaker 6: I think the one thing that does give me a
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  Speaker 6: little bit of hope is that I think Victorians are
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  Speaker 6: starting to realize this too, and this is probably what
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  Speaker 6: has motivated justinto allan sudden one point eighty on crime.
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  Speaker 6: Suddenly she's started to take this seriously because the polling
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  Speaker 6: that is now coming out of Victoria shows the Jacinta
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  Speaker 6: Allen's government is in serious trouble.
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  Speaker 7: For the first time in years.
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  Speaker 6: The Liberals are now leading the two party preferred polling
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  Speaker 6: fifty one to forty nine. Jess Wilson is the preferred
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  Speaker 6: premier by a wide margin forty seven to thirty three,
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  Speaker 6: and Labour's primary vote compared to the twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 6: election has collapsed. In twenty twenty two, they got thirty
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  Speaker 6: seven percent of the primary. Now it's down to twenty
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  Speaker 6: eight percent. And keep in mind at the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 6: two election, the two party preferred was fifty five to
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  Speaker 6: forty five to Labor. That's completely flipped now. So I
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  Speaker 6: do think there's hope. It's a long way for the
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  Speaker 6: Liberals to go. They need to win about eighteen seats
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  Speaker 6: and we still are about a year out from the
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  Speaker 6: next election, so a lot of water to go under
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  Speaker 6: the bridge. But when you look at the top concerns
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  Speaker 6: for two thirds of voters in Victoria, crime and law
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  Speaker 6: and order are a top two concern and the demographic
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  Speaker 6: that is leading this swing against Labor are women. Women
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  Speaker 6: are more concerned about crime, and this is how bad
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  Speaker 6: it's gotten. People who are naturally more vulnerable, who are careers,
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  Speaker 6: who looking after their elderly parents, They're seeing what's going
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  Speaker 6: on and they are not feeling safe. So I think
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  Speaker 6: there is hope, which is good. But the question is
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  Speaker 6: can the Victorian Liberals keep the ship together for a
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  Speaker 6: year and actually translate this into electoral success.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the fact that she tried to do, you know,
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  Speaker 5: she made three announcements to sint to Allan in the
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  Speaker 5: space of a week. You know, retail crime, face coverings,
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  Speaker 5: but the same things that we talk about all the time,
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  Speaker 5: and we were talking about face coverings at protests twelve
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  Speaker 5: months ago and that still hasn't been implemented. So it's
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  Speaker 5: all well and good for her to come out and
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  Speaker 5: make all these sudden, rapid announcements like look at me,
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually trying to do something.
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  Speaker 4: You're not doing something. Just into Alan.
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  Speaker 5: We know you're not doing something because you've been talking
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  Speaker 5: about things for twelve months and actions speak louder than words,
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  Speaker 5: and that is the problem with the Victorian government. Look,
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  Speaker 5: I think I do think that voters are starting to realize.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: She has not had to come to Jesus moment. She's
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  Speaker 1: had to drag to the ballance exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And you read in the Australian Today and Price
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  Speaker 2: he was talking to Anthony Galloway earlier this evening about
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  Speaker 2: his interview in the Odds Today with Disintera Allen saying
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  Speaker 2: that you know, one of her closest advice is Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 2: And Daniel Andrews is the man who set the footings
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  Speaker 2: for all of this, who made the bail laws more
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  Speaker 2: lax in Victoria, who created all the social discord that
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  Speaker 2: has led to all of this.
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  Speaker 1: And there's the woman saying I can fix it.
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  Speaker 2: But by the way, one of my closest advisors is
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  Speaker 2: my predecessor who caused all of this.
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  Speaker 1: You can't take it seriously.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly right.
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  Speaker 6: It's a complete fraud and I think people are hopefully
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  Speaker 6: starting to realize that. But keep up the pressure on
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  Speaker 6: the Allen government if that's going to actually translate to votes.
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  Speaker 6: But speaking of more crime in Melbourne, the true crime
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  Speaker 6: crisis is actually a twelve table pool hall, according to
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  Speaker 6: some Victorian residents.
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  Speaker 7: I know that sounds laughable.
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  Speaker 6: Well, a business put in an application to a local
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  Speaker 6: council to set up a pool and Billard's table hall
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  Speaker 6: with darts. They would serve food, alcohol, it would be
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  Speaker 6: a nice social gathering place. And fifty residents submitted objections
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  Speaker 6: to this proposal, saying it could create criminal behaviors, it
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  Speaker 6: could be a magnet for anti social behaviors and being
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  Speaker 6: five hundred and fifty meters away from a school, this
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  Speaker 6: could be highly dangerous to school students. I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 6: the nimbis the anti one police striking once again? Now
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  Speaker 6: we should note the council planning officers recommended that the
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  Speaker 6: proposal be allowed as long as they shut by eleven
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  Speaker 6: pm on weekdays, but they can say open till one
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  Speaker 6: am on the weekends. But seriously, it makes a mockery
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  Speaker 6: of the true crime crisis which we have just discussed.
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  Speaker 6: For people to then turn around and say, oh, that
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  Speaker 6: pool hall where people might socialize and drink, that's terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I just think this is another example of the
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  Speaker 5: nimbi's that not in my backyards. Look, don't forget that
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  Speaker 5: Victoria was shut down during the pandemic and a lot
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  Speaker 5: of businesses have gone broke. That includes a lot of bars,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of pubs. So I actually think this is
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  Speaker 5: a fantastic idea to try and boost local areas up again,
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  Speaker 5: get the local economy going.
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 5: And then there's this complaint about it being next to
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  Speaker 5: a school. This is a nighttime venue. This is not
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  Speaker 5: a venue that's open in the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 4: Where children are there.
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  Speaker 5: For goodness sake, And look, all the other thing is,
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't you rather there be a billiards club in your
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  Speaker 5: local area rather than a nightclub, for example? Because I
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  Speaker 5: would say that a pool table is a lot quieter
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  Speaker 5: than a nightclub.
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  Speaker 2: Well we'll see about that. I mean, for goodness, sake.
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  Speaker 2: It's in Burwood, which is in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: It's an existing commercial property falling office space on a
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  Speaker 2: main road.
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  Speaker 1: It's on Burwood Highway.
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  Speaker 2: And they're saying, oh, it's going to turn it into
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  Speaker 2: attract criminals. I'm sorry, you live in Melbourne. It's not
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  Speaker 2: attracting criminals. The criminals are already there. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what you are worried about. I mean, we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: so we can go and play pool, maybe play a
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  Speaker 2: bit of darts, have a burger and a bee like.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the kind of place. I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have bikies congregating there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is about a billiard's hall
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  Speaker 2: that specifically attracts criminals.
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  Speaker 1: You know, of all the places that are a criminal
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  Speaker 1: could rock up too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's no chance they'd be down
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  Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Club or anywhere like that. Oh, I'll
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  Speaker 2: go to the billiards hall in Boerwin. It just makes
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  Speaker 2: no sense. And if that is the greatest problem you
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  Speaker 2: have in your life, is that someone wants to put
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  Speaker 2: a billiards hall in a commercial property on a main road.
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  Speaker 2: For goodness, sake, go and get a hobby. Please find
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  Speaker 2: something productive to do for society instead of standing in
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  Speaker 2: the way of everyone else's fat.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean it's not just we see this
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  Speaker 5: around the country. This is not just a standalone issue
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  Speaker 5: that's happening in Melbourne. I mean it's happening in Sydney too,
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  Speaker 5: where they want to introduce our fresco dining.
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  Speaker 4: For example, in the Sydney of Sydney.
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  Speaker 5: God forbid, somebody actually wants no one enjoy the our
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  Speaker 5: fresco and stand outside and have a drink and enjoy
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  Speaker 5: their meal during daylight saving and.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy their meal and the sunshine. God forbid.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: And that's a problem here as well as constant Nimbi's no,
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  Speaker 5: there's too much noise. I'm sorry, but if you live
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  Speaker 5: in these areas, which typically have great nighttime economies that
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  Speaker 5: attract a lot of patrons for restaurants and bars, you're
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  Speaker 5: just going to have to actually come up with the
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  Speaker 5: you know, figure it out that you are going to
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  Speaker 5: be subjected to a little bit of noise whether you
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  Speaker 5: like it or not.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't like it.
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  Speaker 5: Don't live in the areas which attract a higher amount
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  Speaker 5: of foot traffic.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: The classic example is in New South Wales, the men's
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  Speaker 2: government lifted this restriction on being able to stand outside
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  Speaker 2: the public drink and this stupid clover More lord.
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  Speaker 1: Please, oh no, but I'm going to change it.
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  Speaker 2: So in Sydney, in the City of Sydney you still
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  Speaker 2: have to sit down to have your drink out.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 4: No, look, I completely don't even get me started on
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  Speaker 4: clover More. Please, that's a whole different topic. Now.
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  Speaker 5: Look, let's go to the UK now, where the government's
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  Speaker 5: very own information watchdog has ruled that the public does
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  Speaker 5: not have a right to know if a minister has
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  Speaker 5: a prior criminal conviction. You heard that, correct, Nothing to
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  Speaker 5: see here are no transparency.
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  Speaker 4: Cover your ears. There's absolutely nothing here. Now.
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  Speaker 5: This comes after the Information Commissioner's Office rejected an appeal
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  Speaker 5: by the newspaper The Times to force the Cabinet Office
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  Speaker 5: to disclose how many ministers had declared a prior criminal
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  Speaker 5: conviction before taking office.
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  Speaker 4: But hav look, we're going to bring up this quote.
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  Speaker 5: This was from a ruling published on November twelve. It
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  Speaker 5: says that the Information Commissioner's Office rejected an appeal by
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  Speaker 5: the Times to force the Cabinet Office to disclose how
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  Speaker 5: many ministers had declared a prior criminal conviction before taking office.
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  Speaker 5: Officials refused to confirm or deny whether it recorded this information,
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  Speaker 5: and the Transparency Regulator ruled.
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  Speaker 4: And get this, that minister's right to privacy trumped the
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  Speaker 4: public's right to know? Would you believe.
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  Speaker 5: Trump the public's right to I mean, the mind absolutely
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  Speaker 5: boggles at this. Now this comes after a labour MP
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  Speaker 5: by the name of Louise Haig at she failed to
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  Speaker 5: disclose a fraud conviction has had to subsequently resign last year,
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  Speaker 5: and it was from that that her resignation prompted questions
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  Speaker 5: about whether other ministers had publicly admitted to criminal conviction.
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  Speaker 4: You have to laugh at this.
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  Speaker 5: Is hilarious, right, But basically under the current system over
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  Speaker 5: there in the UK, you've got to actually declare if
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  Speaker 5: you do have a prior criminal conviction. But this is
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  Speaker 5: a thing that I find quite baffling. It is then
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  Speaker 5: up to an independent advisor to decide whether or not
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  Speaker 5: that has to then go on to a public record,
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  Speaker 5: So it's up.
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  Speaker 4: To somebody independently.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I would argue that a minister's right to privacy
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  Speaker 5: would perhaps include where they live, their private medical records,
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  Speaker 5: that is what you're allowed to keep hidden. But a
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  Speaker 5: criminal conviction, no, no, no, I'm sorry, that's actually in
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  Speaker 5: the public's best interest to know. It could change the
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  Speaker 5: whole trajectory of who they vote for. It could change
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  Speaker 5: the trajectory of their career. And if you're hiding it,
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  Speaker 5: if you're keeping this secret you don't want the public
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  Speaker 5: to know, then that goes against democracy because it means
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  Speaker 5: you do have something to hide. For goodness, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I just find this totally that it's so bizarre.
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  Speaker 6: And the reality is that when you enter into public life,
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  Speaker 6: if you're a minister, you run for parliament, you've nominated
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  Speaker 6: as a candidate, you've gone through an election, you've gotten elected,
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  Speaker 6: you've already put yourself into the public sphere. You sacrifice
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  Speaker 6: part of your privacy by virtue of the role you occupy,
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  Speaker 6: and as you should as a representative in public office,
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  Speaker 6: you will be held to a higher standard than the
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  Speaker 6: average person. And that's kind of a good thing, because
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  Speaker 6: we don't want criminals running the government. But the fact
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  Speaker 6: that somehow you have this right to privacy as a
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  Speaker 6: minister and then that will overrule the public's right to know.
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  Speaker 7: Is just absurd, and you.
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  Speaker 6: Would think that as part of democracy we should know
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: the dirty laundry, especially if it's a criminal conviction.
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: We're not asking.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: About where your grandmo is in a hospital, anything very private.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: This has to do with your character, your competence, criminal activity.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: This is the basics of what the public should be
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: entitled to know.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: And really is it that hard?
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, how many ministers honestly have criminal convictions And
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: if you're going to such lengths to hide it, why
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: what are the convictions you're trying to hide?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, by the way, ms Haig's conviction was for fraud
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for telling the police that her workfhone had been stolen
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: when it wasn't bizarre. I don't know whether it was
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: insurance for auder.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: What the go was.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It's a very odd thing to lie to the police
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: about to go and make.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: A report about it, but that's what brought.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Her undone and the idea that the president has basically
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: been set down by the equivalent of their FOI system
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: in the UK that you don't deserve to know criminal
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: convictions of ministers or MPs because of a minister's right
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to privacy. I think it's dangerous because we're talking about
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: things that, in any other circumstance, if you applied for
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a job, would be relevant information. So there's certain things
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I want to know about a potential MP or a
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: potential minister. There are things I don't want to know
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and that are not relevant to their employment. I don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: care who you're shagging. I don't care if you've had
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: an affair. I don't care if you took drugs when
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: you were seventeen. I don't care if you got pissed
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and fell over at the front of a pub.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. That's your private life.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But what does matter, and what would matter if you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: went and applied for a job in any other workplace,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: is a criminal history because it has bearing on the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: sorts of jobs that you can perform. It says a
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: lot about the content of your character. It says a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: lot about whether or not you're the sort of person
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you would trust to do certain things in a workplace.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And we as electors, I don't know whether this is
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the same in Australia. I must look into it and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: see what the rules are here. But we as electors,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: whether you're in Australia or the UK or the US are.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Choosing people to do a job.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: We are the employer, and we are being told as
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: employers that we have fewer rights than our employees to
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: know who they actually are.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I just I find that extraordinary.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: No, I think you raise a good point.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is is what if you are
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: a convicted child sex offender and suddenly you are handed
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: the portfolio for childcare and.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: That's not in the public's right to know?
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, is that the sort of standards that they're
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: setting there, that that would be absolutely acceptable because under
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: this ruling, that would actually be counted as acceptable.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Well, ironically, you could be handed the portfolio for childcare
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: or education. You wouldn't be allowed to go visit the
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: schools you were presiding over because you wouldn't have a
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: working with children check, but you would be able to
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: hold that portfolio and a public wouldn't be informed about
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: why you weren't visiting any of these schools or childcare centers.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: It's absolutely absurd.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I do recall Tom Kutz and TNAS when he
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: was the Transport Minister in South Australia, racked up dozens
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and dozens of speeding and other traffic offenses and it
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: all came out in the taser and he was Transport
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Minister at Kutzer.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I do love you, Kutzi.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He's a solid member of the Labor Party, is Tom
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: kutz And Toonis, I must say, while we're talking about
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: solid members of the Labor Party, or perhaps you know
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a little to the left of the Labor Party, depending
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: on which direction you are looking at it, we have
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a foreign dignitart in the country at the moment, Jao Luget,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: who is the third in charge over in China. He
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is the Chairman of the National People's Congress in China
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and he's over here having meetings at Parliament House. He's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: got a meeting with the Prime Minister in the offering
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: as well, and he was wandering around the corridors today.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He'll be doing the same again tomorrow. But an interesting
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: communicate sent to parliamentary staff by the Department of Parliamentary
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Services telling them that while he is in the building
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: that they should turn off their mobile phones, they should
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: turn off their iPads, they should turn off their desktop computers.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They should if they have them on, turnoff Wi Fi
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and Bluetooth. They should also expect that while he's in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the building, the Wi Fi in the building may be
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: turned off. They've even been told to draw the curtains
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and the blinds on their offices while he as in the.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Building, which erases an interesting question.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: If you've got a foreign dignitary, you know, top, top bloke,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: third in charge in China, one of the biggest trading
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: partners is come to meet with the Prime Minister, which
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is a pretty standard thing for a foreign dignitary from
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a big trading partner to to come and do.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But we're that worried that we tell people to.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Shut the curtains and turn off their mobile phones. It
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: just makes you wonder, is China the friend that Anthony
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Albanizi tells us they are, Well.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: It's strange friend indeed, when you've got to gird your
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: loins when the Chinese come, I mean, that's not really
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: a friend to have when you know you're counting your
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: your private devices. Look, I found this quite interesting, so
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: a notus was officially given out by the Department of
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Parliamentary Services.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Now this notice doesn't.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Specifically say why all these precautions are being taken, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I think that one can read between the lines here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: It was only last month the ASIO Director General Mike
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Burgers actually warned about an explosion in Chinese state sponsor
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: cyber Attaxi said that they're aimed at infiltrating the country's
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: critical infrastructure system.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: So explosion for what I thought you were going to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: go to. But anyway, that's what explosed. Well, I thought
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you might mean a real explosion, you know.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Oh well no, no, well they could be.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean, well, they reckon they'll do
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with those Chinese evs.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, look maybe, but they're obviously worried
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: about hacking inspiring. There's a point I was trying to make.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: That's that's the inference here. I think it's quite fascinating.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: You know, the handsome boy from Australia, Anthony Albanezi, has
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in China.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: It was only a few months ago, you recall.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: It was there being whined and dined and the Chinese
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: military band even played him a little bit of Midnight
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Oil and it won him over. The trips to China,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: the shaking of the hands with President She has gotten
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: him absolutely nowhere at the Asian Summit back in September,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: he was asked, did you raise with the Chinese premiere
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: about the fact that Flares was sent off by Chinese
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: military yet very close to one of our our double
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: af aircraft, and he said.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: It was raised. But this is what friends do. They
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: friends discuss these issues.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Well, Preme Minister, I'm not really sure how close friends
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: we are, as I said, when we're being told to
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: basically gird our loins.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Lock up your phones, close your blinds.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: For goodness sake, even keep your your blinds close. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I just think it's another example that Anthony Aarberenzi is
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: China's puppet. China has Anthony Aberenesi exactly where they want him.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Well, I guess part of it is just optics.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: I don't doubt.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Well, I would hope maybe I'm being naive here. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: would hope that behind the scenes, Albanzi is listening to
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Mike Burgess, who was warning of the significant threats we
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: face from Chinese espionage. He's seeing the Department of the
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Departmental Services for Parliament say close your blinds and shut
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: off your internet, like everyone is completely aware that China
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: is no friend. China is a danger and a threat
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: to Australia and is actively trying to undermine our nation.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: You've got to think that it's all just a show.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: He's saying frand he's trying to keep up appearances. It's
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: a bit how like Trump likes to butter up his
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: foes when he's trying to make a deal. I'm hoping
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: that's what Albinizi is doing and that he's not that stupid.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: But I also don't have that much faith.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I just feel like he is naive when it comes
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: to China, he is naive. I mean, he went to
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: China and he was asked, did you raise the issue
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: of the Darwin port? He was asked did you raise
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: multiple multiple issues? And when he actually face the media,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: he could barely say. It's as if to say he
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: didn't want to raise it because he was too scared.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: He's ahead of them, he's scared.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's not only he's naive.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think he's weak, and I think he comes across
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: as weak, and he comes across as obsequious. I wouldn't
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: have thought that the Prime Minister would be under any
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: illusions about, you know, the way China operates and what
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it does. But it's a delicate thing to deal with
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: when you've got your largest trading partner also being your
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: largest potential military adversary. And unlike a Donald Trump, Albo
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't really have the ability to walk into the room
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and sort of strong arm and say, look, I know
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we do a lot of business, and we'll keep doing
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of business, but I've got my eye on you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And part of that is because you're running a country
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: twenty five million people and not one of four hundred
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: million people like Donald Trumpy's. But I just don't think
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister has diadynion well, and we.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: Don't have that much leverage. That's the other thing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Our economy is totally dependent on China and they know
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: that and they're going to use that to hurt us.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: So just underscores the importance of diversifying our economy away
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: from China.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: But in other news, we've.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Covered a lot of woke stories, a lot of crazy stuff,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: but I think this one may take the cake. At
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: New York Fashion Week, a clothing line debuted and this
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: wasn't just any clothing line.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: This was a collection of.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: Thirty seven pieces of wool knitwear. And this wool was
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: made in partnership with a farm called a Rainbow Wool.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: It's a German not for profit that saves rams that
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: would have been killed because they don't want.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: To mate with fee email sheep.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: In other words, it's gay wool from same sex allegedly
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: same sex attracted rams. And this was the whole thing,
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: it was saving the wool.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: The line was called I Wool Survive.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: And it was pitched as a human rights story and
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: an animal rights story, proof of homosexuality in nature. So
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: it's not just a choice, which is what the founder
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: of this label was claiming. I guess on so many levels,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: I have many many questions. I should also note that
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: this exhibition was sponsored by the gay dating app Grinder.
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: How romantic is that?
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Gay wall get on the gay dating app? But it's
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: just frankly bizarre.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: Not a very.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Sustainable business model for the farm that rescues these rams
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: because none of them can reproduce, So you're going to.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: Be buying a lot of rams. And just who asked
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: for this is what I want to know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Look, he's take his glasses off. He's taken his glasses off.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: He's ready.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: If there is a market for it, show for your life,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, I couldn't give two hoots. If
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: you want to spend your money on the rams and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: someone wants to buy you, I mean, it's probably a
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: good marketing tactic.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: Actually, well we're talking about it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure where exactly the target audience of gay.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Wall, but homosexual wolf. But who's the thought about that?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've never walked into a clothing shop and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: inquired of the salesperson man, woman, if you can call
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: them that. These days, I don't know sales day them's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: is this wool woolen jump I'm about to try on?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Was this from a heterosexual or a holox? And I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: not sure that that thought has gone through anyone's head ever.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I would love to see you on the Late Debate,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Caleb draped in gay Wall.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I'll try on the game.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would pay money to watch you do
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: like a fashion parade on air.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: How can it be if it'd be great? The wool look,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know what. Actually, I was looking up some
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: statistics of it. It's funny.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: In one of the articles and it's not this one
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: came from the New York Times. They're calling them non
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: pro creative. That's the that's the official line. So not
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: just gay, non pro creative is the line.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So they can't get a root. I mean, you know
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of blokes out there like that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Well, well I think that they can.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: They don't want to.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: They just doesn't know they do want it just doesn't
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: exactly I'm okay, I'm.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Now we're bearing it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But but there may will be some homosexual sheep.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But they're not all gay, are they.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I mean we're just we're talking about sheep that some
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: reason and not breeding with other sheep.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Well mean that they want to do it with a boat.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I had a pet rabbit when I was younger.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That would agree a gay rabbit.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: It was, well, it wouldn't it wouldn't mate, it would
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: have made.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: How do you know that it means it was gay?
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Well, because I mean you'd make it a.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Bit.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Apparently, there are studies that show up to eight percent
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: of rams male sheep are apparently, yes, same same sex attractive.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: If you can say that about sheep.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Well, it says as many as one in twelve male
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: sheep a non pro creative, but show an interest in
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: other rams. And it says these non pro creative male
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: oriented sheep require just as much care and feeding.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: As their pro creative peers, but.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Because they don't produce new offspring, some farmers consider them
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: to be a complete economic drag, and therefore they end
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: up being slaughtered.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Basically, they'd rather ram the ram. Look if someone, if
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: someone wants to.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Send me a gay wool suit, I don't mean a
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: rainbow crowd suit, Well I'll give it a go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I'll try.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I would absolutely love to see that. Now, Look, let's
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: move on. We've got to talk about the growing behemoth.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: We talk about this all the time, the National Disability
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Insurance Scheme, because now there are reports that you at
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: home could be forced to cough up millions of dollars
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: in bailouts for registered NDIS providers unless something is to
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: be done about the current pricing structure. Now, according to
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: this article, it comes amid revelations that losses for registered
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: providers doubled over the past two years. Profitability fell to
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: zero to zero point four percent, double that recorded just
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: two years ago, with the average provider now having cash
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: on hand of less than three weeks worth. And we're
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: not just talking about small bailouts up for these providers.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: There was one example quoted of thirty million dollars and
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: that was for Disability Sector Operate at Bedford.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Where do you begin with this? There are just.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: So many issues with the National disabilit the Insurance Scheme. Firstly,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: less than ten percent of all providers are actually registered,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: so that's a problem in itself. This is about it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: actually about six percent according to a Watchdog survey last month.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: It's already costing US overall fifty.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Two billion dollars this year alone, So not only has
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: it outstripped Medicare, it's soon going to outstripped defense.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: You mix that in with the roughts that we do here.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Quite often, and now we might have to cough up
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: millions more to try and bail out these providers. And look,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I think that there is a worry because so many
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: of these providers are going without Watchdog scrutiny. And the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: other issue is is that you've got NDIS businesses that
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: are advertised on Facebook and gum Tree as well. So
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: if you've got forty five thousand dollars spare, congratulations you
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: can you've got yourself a National Disability Insurance Scheme business.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think that labor has a hold whatsoever on this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: On this scheme because initially it was for the most
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: severely disabled, and it has absolutely blown out to being
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: one of the biggest spenders in terms of government spending.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: And who's suffering the taxpayer. The taxpayer is who is
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: suffering here. It's actually not the people who really do
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: need it, the most severely disabled, who need it the most.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean I think the NDIS has just
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: given a blank check to all these dodgy providers set
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: up make a quick buck. The adverse outcome of that
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: is well, not only not providing a great service, not
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: only are you leaching off the taxpayers, but you're also
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: pushing out not for profit providers. That's the other thing
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: that's happening. People organizations who genuinely were there to care
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: for the genuinely disabled. They're being pushed out of the
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: sector because they simply cannot compete anymore. So all you're
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: being left with are these really money hungry for profit providers.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: The whole system is a complete mess.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And that's your Bidford. I mean, Bidford's been around in
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: South Australia.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: River Bidford, Bakhuma, Minda have always been there.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You know, they have sheltered workshops and these sorts of.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Things I had forever been thus and you've got established
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: outfits like that being driven out of the business. But
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: as for the other stuff that you know across the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: entire NDAs sector that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Most of them don't have more than three weeks worth.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Of cash there, I'm sorry. If you're not making money
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: out of the NDAs, you are doing it wrong. And
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: this is the problem is you have so many people
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: who've gone ah I can make it back out of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: that and signed themselves up and they don't know what
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: they're doing.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: We are being fleeced. It needs to be fixed up
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: per quick. Smart.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Speaking of people being fleeced, he's an idea from the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: mayor of Nerandra in New South Wales, Neville Kashenka, who's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: off to the New South Wales Local Government Association meeting
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: this week and he's putting up emotion to say that
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: power companies should give lower bills to people who live
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: in areas in the bush and the regions where they
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: put renewable energy projects, because he's pointed out that the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: supply charge, which is you know, everyone gets charged to
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the supply charge for the power that is sent to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: your house. It doesn't matter whether you turn the lights
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: on it all one day. You still pay the power charge,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the supply charge every day. And he's pointed out that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the supply charge in his council area is quite a
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: bit higher than it is in Sydney because the power
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: companies say, we've got to send the power further, so
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: we charge you more. But if you've got to bear
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the brunt of all of these renewable energy projects, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: being a blight on your landscape and taking over your
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: communities and your farm land and whatever forcibly in some
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: cases seemingly because of course the neighbors can't decide what
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: happens next door, why do they not deserve compensation in
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: some way in the form of cheaper power.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And to be honest, I think he's got a fair point.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: And also, how is it that much more difficult to
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: transmit power to rural areas when all of the renewables
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: are in rural areas.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: This is what I do understand.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: You've got regional communities who are being forced to put
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: up these solar panels, windmills, transmission lines. They're shipping that
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: power to the city for cheaper and then selling it
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: back to regional communities at a premium. But if it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: being produced right there, it wouldn't it be cheaper to
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: transmit that power to local areas.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: This makes no sense and this is the scam.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Of the renewables rollout, and unfortunately there's just not the
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: votes in regional communities to actually change anything.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: No, and I actually think this is I think this
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: is a reasonable proposal because it really is the regions
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: that are suffering the most under this renewables roll out.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: And don't forget, even if you're in Victoria, you will
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: be fined if you don't allow transmission workers onto your property.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Also that you know solar and wind can be connected
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: to the grid. So I don't mind this proposal at all.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and just very quickly, before we get to the break,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I want to leave you with my thought for tonight.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: This one comes courtesy of Prince Philip, which it comes
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: out in a recent book. He allegedly sees to his
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: grandson Prince Harry, when he was cavorting with.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Megan in the early days, quote one steps.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Out with actresses, one doesn't marry them.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Dating life.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the newspapers. The shocking
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: number of schools that are being shut down every day
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in Victoria because of violent students standing wore coming up.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I've just been told someone I work with may know
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: about gay wool and may have worn it. And what
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: do they get up to in that gay wall? You'll
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: never know. But never mind, Let's get into tomorrow's newspapers.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: What's on the front of the Herald Sun.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, we'll be.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Talking about crime all night in Victoria front page headline
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: class Warfare, a secret dossier of violence in state schools
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: has revealed more than four hundred critical incidents, including students
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: brandishing garden shares as weapons and threatening to slip the
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: throats of other children, forcing entire campuses to be locked
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: down daily daily.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, here we were just.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Talking about all of the problems going on in Victoria.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Garden shares, threatening to slip the throats of other children?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Where do you even begin with this? So nothing's changed
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: again another day in Victoria.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It's where do you begin if it starts in the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: schools of because it always starts as a kid, if
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: you're going off to school with a pair of garden shares,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they do with your athletics to
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: spend you or expel you or whatever. But I fear
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that these children then sort of probably disappear into the system,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and they're the kids who then end up going on
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to not only bringing garden chares to school, but going
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: around with machetes and knocking out people's front doors. So yes,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I mean this is awful and an indication of the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: societal problems that are being experienced in Victoria. But I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: want to know what happens to the kids afterwards, because
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I suspect they go on.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: To far worse.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: But I just don't get how it can be this bad.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: How did kids as a generation suddenly just lose their
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: mind In like three years, the crime crisis has exploded.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: It's just unbelievable. Clearly they think there are no consequences
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: for their actions. I think that's a large part of it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: In the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, more crime news. Teens stabs
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: to death after class school knife horror. A murder investigation
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: was underway last night after a seventeen year old boy
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: was allegedly stabbed to death during a horror after school confrontation.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: In Sydney's northwest.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Now, a fifteen year old boy has been arrested and
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: police are apparently looking for potentially two more people who
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: were involved in the incident. It's just every day, as
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: that previous article said, more horror stories about youth crime.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: It's very sad just a Rouse.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Hill was the suburb allegedly happened in a park behind
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the school, and you just feel for the parents, you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, your kid goes off to school and no
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: one would expect to receive the news that their kid
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: is now dead. On the front of The Australian Tomorrow,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it says X tool reveals scam accounts. A new location
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: tool on social media platform x which of course used
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: to be Twitter, has revealed a large number of users
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: seeking donations while claiming to be posting from the Gaza
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: strip outside the zone, and some are not even on
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the same continent. The new feature that publicly displays displays
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: sorry key background information about an account, including the location
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: from which it is based, was unveiled on Friday and
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: has already unmasked sprawling ecosystem of accounts whose users are
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: taking advantage of disasters and political unrest across the world.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Most interesting, this has actually been fascinating to see player
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Aside from what's happening you know people claiming they're on
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the Gaza Strip seeking donations when they're not.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I've seen a couple.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Of people in their display picture on their Twitter, young blonde,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: mid twenties, and then you click on to their profile
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: you find out where they're from and it's actually a
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: man in Nigeria.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: So yes, fascinating, fascinally.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: The other one I've also seen, which is really interesting is,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: of course you would know about the schism going on
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: within the MAGA movement and the rise of the kind
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: of new right alt right Nick Fuentes, Tucker Cars and
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Candice Owens. A lot of accounts that claim to be
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Nick Fouentes updates, MAGA news are actually being run out
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: of the Philippines, out of India, out of Saudi Arabia,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: And it makes you wondering, this has been my theory
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: the whole time. Is this really an organic schism? Are
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: the numbers you see online really reflective of what's going
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: on in the Republican Party. Has there suddenly been this
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: anti Israel swing or is this all being propelled by
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: foreign actors who want to divide America? And when you
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: see the locations where a lot of these are accounts
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: come from that drive the algorithms to promote this content.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: No surprises, they're not coming from America. So it's just
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: another reminder don't believe everything you see online.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Well, and it'll be really interesting to see how this
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: plays out in future when you have big news events.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: So like I think of.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: The kids who got killed at that Taylor Swift dancing thing,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and then of course all this stuff went around saying
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that the Katies teenager was an illegal migrant or was
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the son of Margrants or something like this, right, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: then we had all this unrest on the streets in
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: the UK and people are protesting and there was violence
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and anger and whatever. And the thinking at the time
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: was that a lot of this was probably orchestrated and
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: made up by Russian bots, but no one could really
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: prove where the rumor ever came from. Whereas now if
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that happens again, if it happens on X, I mean,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: people may will say, well, I'm not going to go
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: there and do it anymore because i know I'm going
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to get found out. But we'll have a window directly
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: into where this misinformation is coming from.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. I find it quite fascinating actually, and I'm sure.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: I saw one about the Labor Party here in Australia
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: that the country that was coming up for them was
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: the United States.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's me.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: The ABC apparently is based in Ireland. Well it is,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: which I believe is because if they're probably using a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: VPN to run this stuff out of Ireland because they
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: can get access to more international content, it doesn't.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Get GEO blocked.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But if you look at the ABC's accountant says there
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in Ireland, yep, there you go.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: The cans posts. Let's have a look at that.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: An ex council worker returned to a Far North council
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: as a contractor and was paid triple their former wage.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: The state's auditor has revealed the Queensland Order Office has
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: uncovered a significant deficiency in procurement processes at douglas Shire Council.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: During their audit, auditors revealed missing contracts, cost blowouts, untested
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: supplies and million dollars spent without proper paperwork or oversight.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, how does somebody get paid triple their former wage?
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: And my question would.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Be did they report it at the time that they
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: were being paid triple their formal wage or was this
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: just done suddenly you know at audit and they never
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: disclosed it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: I think this is just a savvy professional move. If
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: you can get paid three times the amount becoming a contractor,
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: why not. That's for the rate payers though.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I might give it a go tomorrow, and.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: We don't announce it before you do that, Kayla.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Will it's the purpose.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: We'll see what they have to.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Definitely defeats the point any advertiser tomorrow the headline is
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: evil at Death's Door notorious child murder at Bevan Spencer
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: on Ainem seventy nine is days away from dying in prison.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: The man convicted of the nineteen eighty three murder of
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Richard Kelvin was rushed by ambulance from Port Augusta to
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Yatala yesterday.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Gettler first, Yesler, sorry Kayler.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: The Edelaie viewers and that was a huge case when
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Richard Kilvin was a duck, the son of Rob Calvin,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: newsreader in South Australia. Of course Bevin Spencer ONEm a
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: member of the family. If you know what the family is,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: look it up if you don't want some light reading
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: before you go to bed tonight. But I cannot think
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: of a better person to come to an awful end
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: than Bevin Spencer on Ainem And I know that people
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: apparently deserve medical care, but if there's anyone who doesn't,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it's probably him.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: After the break, the.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Watch that belonged to the richest man on the Titanic
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: has gone up for auctions been solved.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: How much do you reckon it's solved for Pully more
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: than you and I. We'll talk about that. Well. They
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: say time is money.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: Freyer indeed, and this watch has sold for a lot.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: About one point seven million pounds to be exact, was
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: recovered from the body of Isidore Strauss, who died.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: On the Titanic.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: He was one of the richest men in America, co
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: owner of the iconic Macy's department store.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Check it out.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: That, of course, was not original footage from the Titanic,
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: but rather from the movie. And it's actually quite a
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: touching story. The wife was offered the opportunity to get
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: into a lifeboat, but said she would rather stay and
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: die by her husband's side.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: Oh, very tragic ending.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I know it's a bit like Rose and Jack, isn't it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: But that's actually quite fascinating that they have found or
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: that they recovered that that gold pocket watch, because that
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: was actually one of the features of the Titanic movie.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I remember seeing that and in that scene so fascinating
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: that even after all this time, they're still making discovery.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: But I want to know why they've sold the watch,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: because the family had kept the watch and then they've decided.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's hard to think of money.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Money probably, I know, but.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Like as a family heirloom.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I know there are times you want to get some
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: quick cash, but it just kind of feels like this
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: sort of thing that you'd hold on to forever.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of things you would hold on to forever.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Renal Going.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Renaissance Caylb Renaissance.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Painting dating to the fifteenth century, which was found gathering
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: dust underneath a garage workbench. Would you believe has fetched
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: six hundred and eighty five thousand pounds or one point
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: three nine millions dollars at.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: An auction in Oxfordshire.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: The piece shown the Madonna and Child as you can
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: see on our screen. Now, it's thought to have been
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: painted by the Renaissance artist Pietro Venucci known as Perigino,
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: who was born in the mid fifteenth century. So this
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: fifteen minute bidding war took place online, and apparently there
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: was so much interest in this painting that the lines
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: had to go to They had to permanently engage the
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: phone lines because it just went absolutely berserk.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: So it's just incredible that someone had no idea that
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: they were sitting on an original Renaissance painting.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: Just insane.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've cleaned out the shed before and
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I've never found anything like that. In fact, the only
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: prize position I had from clearing out a shed is
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: an Etiquet book from the nineteen sixties. Must bring it
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: in one night and read you some little lunes from it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: By the way, before we go, take a.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Look with this.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is awful. This could have gone so much.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Was a horse race in the United States.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You'll see what went wrong.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Vision shows an ambulance driving directly towards the horses after
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: they left the gates. All eight competitors actually had to
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: swerve to avoid a disaster. It's just wild how this happened.
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: Usually an ambulance will tail the riders, obviously, so it's unclear. Yeah,
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: why the driver was driving towards them on the track.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: You might be surprised to hear or not.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Pretty good horsemanship, I have to say there, But someone
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: who owns horses, I'm just like, oh, I'm glad that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: How about something like that happened. I don't get it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I do not understand what happened there.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: No, and it should never happen because that could have
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: gone a hell of a lot of worse.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Night up next to reading
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Math and show Red. Night