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Supermom Sherri Papini's kidnapping case still open. No suspects, despite reward. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A thirty four year old mother of two goes out
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  Speaker 1: for a jog and seemingly disappear, vanishes off the face
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  Speaker 1: of the earth. What happened to Sherry? Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, let's kick it off with a nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call from his seemingly distraught husband. Listen, Hello, can
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  Speaker 1: I help you? Yeah? Um, so I just got home
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  Speaker 1: from work and uh, my wife wasn't there, which is unusual,
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  Speaker 1: and my kids should have been there by now, from
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  Speaker 1: like baycare. So I was like, oh, maybe if she
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  Speaker 1: went on a walk. Um, I couldn't, so I called
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  Speaker 1: the daycare to see what time she picked up the kids.
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  Speaker 1: The kids were never picked up, so I got freaked out.
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  Speaker 1: So I hit like to find my phone happening, and
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  Speaker 1: it said that her. It showed her phone like at
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  Speaker 1: our end of our drive. We don't have really good service. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: not the end of our drive, at the end of
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  Speaker 1: our street, but just drove down there and I saw
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  Speaker 1: her phone with their headphones because he started running again,
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  Speaker 1: and it's her down her phone and it's kind like
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  Speaker 1: hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody like, what's her?
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the nine one one call from husband
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  Speaker 1: Keith describing what happens when he gets home. Normally, when
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  Speaker 1: he gets home, his children and his wife rushed to
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  Speaker 1: the front door. Not that day. He knew immediately by
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  Speaker 1: the silence in the home that something was very wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Calls the daycare and finds the children are still their
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  Speaker 1: long past pick up time? Where is wife Sherry? That's
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  Speaker 1: where the investigation starts with me an all star panel
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  Speaker 1: to break, get down and put it back together again.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober forensic Psychiatrists. You can find him on Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two on homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer.
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  Speaker 1: Gary gene Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com, renowned professor
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  Speaker 1: of forensics, jacksonvill State University death investigator and author of
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet. Joseph Scott Morgan, Crime Online dot
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  Speaker 1: com investigator reporter Nicole Parton, and special guests joining US
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  Speaker 1: private investigator Bill Garcia specializing in abduction cases at Bill
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  Speaker 1: Garcia Investigations who has actually worked on the missing person's case.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, to you, Nicole parton crime online dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Describe the scene when the husband, Keith gets home. He
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  Speaker 1: got home in the afternoon, shortly after five thirty, close
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  Speaker 1: to six o'clock, very routine, normal routine that they had
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  Speaker 1: every day he would go off to work. Look, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, right there, right there, Nicole, Sorry, but was
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  Speaker 1: it corroborated that he was at work all day and
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  Speaker 1: that the wife, Sherry drops the children off. Because if
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  Speaker 1: he's at work all day and she drops the children
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  Speaker 1: off that morning and has seen alive and well, that
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  Speaker 1: may exclude him from consideration. Because normally that's where I
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  Speaker 1: would look first, is that the husband. That's correct, and
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  Speaker 1: he was at work at best Buy all day, as
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  Speaker 1: they usually would. He had text her right before lunch
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes he would go home for lunch. They had
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  Speaker 1: exchanged some text messages saying that he was very busy.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't going to be able to run home and
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  Speaker 1: have lunch with her. She went out for a job.
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  Speaker 1: She was training for a marathon and had started running
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  Speaker 1: again and exercising getting ready for this marathon when he
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  Speaker 1: came home from work. That's when he knew something was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: She was not there, the children were not there. That's
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  Speaker 1: when he began to make the phone calls, called the
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  Speaker 1: daycare and the daycare worker said she didn't pick the
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  Speaker 1: children up. She would normally get them around four or
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  Speaker 1: four thirty in the afternoon. That's when he tried to
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  Speaker 1: track her cell phone and found the phone near the
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  Speaker 1: home at the end of their street, with her hair
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  Speaker 1: in the headset and the phone laying on the ground. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: Justice Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State, explain the fine,
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  Speaker 1: my iPhone app, I use it all the time. Yeah. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: it's an indwelling app that is used within these Apple
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  Speaker 1: devices that will ping a phone that is programmed into
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  Speaker 1: this device, in his particular case, into the husband's device,
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  Speaker 1: that will actually let you narrow the field down as
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  Speaker 1: to where that phone is located. And so when he
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  Speaker 1: calls nine one one, you know, he's saying, look, I
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  Speaker 1: found the phone. It's it's at the end of the driveway,
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  Speaker 1: and so it led him zero in on that specific location,
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  Speaker 1: not miles and miles away. It really closed it down.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a valuable piece of information relative to where
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  Speaker 1: she was potentially when she vanished off to face the planet.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Another issue to Nicole Parton, isn't it true
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  Speaker 1: that I guess the ear plugs to the phone, everything
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  Speaker 1: was folded up very neatly and placed on top of
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  Speaker 1: the cell phone when it was found. He did say
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  Speaker 1: that her husband did say that the headset was on top,
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  Speaker 1: laying on top of the phone. But the thing he
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  Speaker 1: noticed immediately was that her beautiful blonde hair was ripped
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  Speaker 1: out of her head and wound up in that headset
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  Speaker 1: when he found it. That's inconsistent to me. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why go with me, Cloyd Steiger, just for a moment.
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  Speaker 1: If you're jogging and you have your iPhone, you're carrying
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  Speaker 1: it as all of us do. You're having your headset, Cloyd,
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  Speaker 1: at it's ripped away from you to the extent with
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  Speaker 1: such force that your hair is caught up in it,
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  Speaker 1: A chunk of your hair is in it. Then why
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  Speaker 1: if it's ripped out of your ears somehow, why is
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  Speaker 1: it coiled up and sitting neatly on top of the iPhone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a question. I haven't that is an issue. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: obviously set it there neatly. If it's coiled up, it
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  Speaker 1: would just be strewn haphazitively if it wasn't well well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, right there, Joe Scott Morgan, what kidnapper would
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  Speaker 1: take the time to wrap up? I mean, long story short,
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  Speaker 1: Why would the phone be yanked out of her ear
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  Speaker 1: the ear plugs and then be coiled up neatly and
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  Speaker 1: placed directly on top. That's inconsistent to me. Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you could verbalize I don't know about that, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she hadn't left for her jaw yet.
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  Speaker 1: And how do we know that the hair was violently
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  Speaker 1: ripped out? Maybe if it's caught up in the wires
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  Speaker 1: of the headphones, maybe this is something that was pre
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  Speaker 1: existent in there. You know, we'd leave traces of ourselves
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  Speaker 1: all around, and you know, let's face it, those of
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  Speaker 1: us that use at your phones, that's a very intimate
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  Speaker 1: connection that we had. We're sticking these things in our ears.
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  Speaker 1: It's immediately adjacent to all of our hair. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: she just had it wound up and it was in
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  Speaker 1: her pocket. Maybe it fell out at that point in time,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe the perpetrator looked at her and said, you
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  Speaker 1: don't need this anymore, and they toss it on the
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  Speaker 1: road as they're dragging her into a vehicle. Still, that
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  Speaker 1: cord was neatly wound up and placed on top of
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  Speaker 1: the iPhone. According to reports, I'd have a picture of it,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly. Maybe I'm making them mountain
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  Speaker 1: out of the little hill, but that concerns me. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about a missing mom.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen as the Days go by. To husband Keith,
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  Speaker 1: Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry
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  Speaker 1: Pappini was nowhere to be found. In normal days, I
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  Speaker 1: would open the door and my families comes and runs
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  Speaker 1: and gives me a hug. But there were no welcoming hugs.
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  Speaker 1: So he searched in the house and their property, but
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  Speaker 1: learned the children were still at daycare. He found Sherry's
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  Speaker 1: phone down the street. That's when I knew she had been,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, taken or abducted. Now days later, family, friends,
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  Speaker 1: the community and law enforcement are still looking for Sherry.
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  Speaker 1: It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing ever. Time going by slowly and their children don't
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  Speaker 1: know their mother is missing. It's hard waiting. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're waiting, You're waiting for a phone call, You're waiting
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  Speaker 1: for something to tell us. You know, this is the direction,
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  Speaker 1: or this is the house, or this is the car,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that. It is very difficult right now,
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  Speaker 1: but Keith is determined to find her. She was listening.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to say that we're trying the best we
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  Speaker 1: can and I'm so sorry that I'm not there. The
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  Speaker 1: family believes she was abducted and has this message, bring
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  Speaker 1: her home, Bring her home. Does bring her home? Guys,
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing our friends at KARCR News Channel seven. That
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  Speaker 1: was Christina Davies speaking with Keith. Sherry seems to disappear
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  Speaker 1: into thin air, her cell phone left not far from
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  Speaker 1: their driveway, her hair found seemingly ripped from her head,
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  Speaker 1: intertwined with the cell phone earbuds. Take a listen now
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  Speaker 1: to Susan, the sister in law, describing Sherry. There's no
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  Speaker 1: way she would do anything to disrupt her children's routine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being that the phone was found and she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on her routine there. Yeah, there's no way she
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone and picked up the children. They're on
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  Speaker 1: they're on a very tight schedule and she's extremely close
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  Speaker 1: with them. She's here with them every day gardening and
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  Speaker 1: doing projects, and there's there's just no way that she
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  Speaker 1: would take off. It's terrible. She's an incredible human being,
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  Speaker 1: best mom I've ever seen. I mean, her children. If
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  Speaker 1: you met her children, you just they're incredible. They're incredible
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  Speaker 1: because she's such a great mom. She's so hands on,
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  Speaker 1: she's she really is the best mom I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's annoying because she's so amazing. We call
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  Speaker 1: her super mom. She's she's an amazing, beautiful light of
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  Speaker 1: a person. You know. I want to follow up with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, forensic Psychiatrists joining us. You can find
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  Speaker 1: him an Instagram, doctor Daniel Bober, Doctor Bober. That means
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  Speaker 1: a lot to me because that's his sister in law.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm blessed because my in laws all of them
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  Speaker 1: are awesome, all of them. But it's not just a stereotype.
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  Speaker 1: It's real that a lot of times in laws don't
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  Speaker 1: like the spouse that married their brother or son. In
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  Speaker 1: this case, the sister in law is coming forward and
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  Speaker 1: saying she would never have done this. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: her she's a perfect mom. That means a lot to
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  Speaker 1: me considering the source. No, I totally agree with you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you're in law, when you actually get
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  Speaker 1: along with your in laws, that's usually worthy exception than
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  Speaker 1: the rule. So if they're back, if they're backing your
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  Speaker 1: play and they're saying that you're doing a good job,
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  Speaker 1: you probably really are because typically more than fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the time they're usually not in your corner. Is
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  Speaker 1: that true? Do you counsel with a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who have issues with in laws? I do. Actually, it
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of actually a joke that someone once told me.
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  Speaker 1: I went on a pleasure trip. I took my mother
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  Speaker 1: in law to the airport. So it's definitely something that
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  Speaker 1: I see. It's definitely something that I see a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So that means a lot to me that her sister
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  Speaker 1: in law is saying this. And now the Chesta County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff Tom Bassenko takes to the airways. Listen. Missus Papini
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  Speaker 1: was last seen wearing a pink running jack at top.
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  Speaker 1: She's described as thirty four years old. She's a white
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  Speaker 1: female adult about five foot four inches tall one hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 1: She has blonde hair and blue eyes. The family has
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  Speaker 1: not heard from her, and she is considered missing and
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  Speaker 1: at risk. She does not have any known medical problems
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  Speaker 1: or issues, or mental health problems or issues. Guys, you
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  Speaker 1: are hearing the sheriff there in Cheston County speaking out
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  Speaker 1: and join me right now. Is special guest Bill Garcia,
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  Speaker 1: a private investigator specializing in abduction cases at Bill Garcia Investigations,
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  Speaker 1: who has worked on this case. To Bill Garcia, what
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  Speaker 1: strikes you, what jumps out at you regarding what we
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  Speaker 1: believe to be the primary crime scene where she was abducted,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Garcia, My first indication was that the actual disappearance
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  Speaker 1: site was on the open. It was adjacent to a
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  Speaker 1: paved road approximately one and a half miles from the residents,
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  Speaker 1: which was off of the dirt road. That dirt road
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a circular type road that comes out
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  Speaker 1: about a quarter mile down the road. When we arrived,
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  Speaker 1: we acclimated ourselves by driving that circular route to the home,
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  Speaker 1: which is surrounded by a fence, and from there we
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  Speaker 1: followed the dirt road from the Pepini house out to
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  Speaker 1: where the disappearance site was, which is again as adjacent
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  Speaker 1: to old Oregon Road, and at that location is a
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  Speaker 1: bank of mailboxes for all of the residents who live
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  Speaker 1: on that dirt road to the east there. What was
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  Speaker 1: a special interest was that there was a number of
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood dogs that on my dog and I's arrival, went
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  Speaker 1: off very loudly. I would say five to six dogs
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  Speaker 1: adjacent to that actual corner. And so it was odd
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  Speaker 1: that nobody had heard any commotion on that morning because
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  Speaker 1: if she would have been taken forcefully, she would have
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  Speaker 1: probably irresisted. There would have been more of an indication
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  Speaker 1: that she was possibly dragged into a vehicle. But what
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  Speaker 1: was most compelling to me was that odd at the
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  Speaker 1: site was a small mound of dirt that was grass covered,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where the iPhone was found with the earbuds
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  Speaker 1: tightly coiled sitting on top of the device. There was
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  Speaker 1: no damage, from what I was told by a family member,
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  Speaker 1: and that to me was odd because if it was
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  Speaker 1: a take or there would have been more of an
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  Speaker 1: indication that she was that she was taken against her will,
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  Speaker 1: but that was not That did not appear to be
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  Speaker 1: the case. So once we acclimated ourselves to that particular area,
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  Speaker 1: then we started to do a actual physical search leading
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  Speaker 1: out from that area. Now, we had talked to law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement to advise them that we were going to be
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  Speaker 1: on scene and who we were and what we were doing,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't share very much information. Back to this day,
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  Speaker 1: they've not shared very much information, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: media in the area is also not been has not
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  Speaker 1: had information shared with them. They're holding it tight to
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  Speaker 1: their chest. Not quite sure why, but that's the way.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way they're kind of conducting this. So to
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  Speaker 1: you again, Bill Garcia, private investigator, Bill Garcia Investigations. It
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  Speaker 1: struck you as it did me about the tightly coiled
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  Speaker 1: EarPods earplugs that go with her cell phone, but also
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  Speaker 1: the dogs. I know exactly what you're talking about. Coming
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  Speaker 1: from a rural area, very often you'll see five or
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  Speaker 1: six families mailboxes together for the mailman to mail person
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  Speaker 1: to leave the mail and they travel from their house
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  Speaker 1: their home there, especially in rural areas, hard to access homes.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where it was, right there, correct, across the
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  Speaker 1: dirt road from the bank of mailboxes, which I believe
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  Speaker 1: was about twenty mailboxes, and on the corner of the
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  Speaker 1: dirt road and the two lane highway that passed spot.
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  Speaker 1: So if she were abducted right there build Garcia, the
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  Speaker 1: pert would have had to then drag her to the
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  Speaker 1: actual highway. Because you're so that was on a dirt
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  Speaker 1: road off the highway. How far to the highway? Just
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  Speaker 1: a few feet adjacent? Okay, so far at all? Not
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  Speaker 1: at all, not far at all. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: more Sheriff Basnco breaking down the investigation. Listen the deputies
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  Speaker 1: last night when they responded, they conducted a search of
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  Speaker 1: the area and canvas area with local neighbors and residents there,
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  Speaker 1: and they worked throughout the night and into the early
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  Speaker 1: morning hours along with Shasta County Sheriff investigators as well.
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  Speaker 1: They were also able to utilize the Reach helicopter as
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  Speaker 1: the HP Air Operations helicopter was not available, and the
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  Speaker 1: Reach helicopter came out and illuminated the area and checked
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  Speaker 1: to the fields in the side of the roads for
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  Speaker 1: her and assisting us in the search operations last night.
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  Speaker 1: They also used search canines for scent work. Local area
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  Speaker 1: hospitals were checked and of course the sides of the
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  Speaker 1: roadways were checked as well. Missus Papini has been entered
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  Speaker 1: into a national computer for missing persons. She is considered
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  Speaker 1: at risk due to the suspicious circumstances. Guys joining you
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  Speaker 1: right now, Jason Ocean's defense attorney joining me out of
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  Speaker 1: the Jersey and New York area. Jason, why don't we
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  Speaker 1: always look at the husband first? You go right inside
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  Speaker 1: in a married couple, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, That's that's
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  Speaker 1: where you look out. You go right from the connected source,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the spouse, and you pull your way out
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  Speaker 1: because statistics have borne out. If that law enforcement looks
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  Speaker 1: at that, you know, irregularity from marriage, it's just the
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  Speaker 1: natural way to go good, bad or otherwise. So far,
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  Speaker 1: no such irregularities in this marriage. And then a break
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  Speaker 1: in the case. And when I say break, I made
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  Speaker 1: big break crime stories with Nancy Grace. I saw a
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  Speaker 1: blonde woman standing in like that V shaped area that
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  Speaker 1: gets created between the right shoulder and the left side
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  Speaker 1: of an off ramp. But I wasn't quite sure where
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  Speaker 1: I was when I saw her. I just caught a
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  Speaker 1: glimpse of her. The area where she was it is
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  Speaker 1: not well lit, so I didn't actually see her until
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  Speaker 1: I was right up on her, which really startled me.
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  Speaker 1: And it kind of took me a few minutes to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what I'd seen, and I went a couple
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  Speaker 1: of miles up the road to figure out where until
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  Speaker 1: I saw a road signed so I knew where I was.
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  Speaker 1: And then I pulled off onto the shoulder and I
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  Speaker 1: called nine one. This never happens. Yes, I know what
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  Speaker 1: happened to the Elizabeth Smart case, but statistically this is
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  Speaker 1: unheard of. Has missing mom's Sherry been found? Taking Listen
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  Speaker 1: to more of Alison Sutton describing what she saw. I
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  Speaker 1: saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I thought
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  Speaker 1: her face was dirty, but based on what I know now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt on her
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  Speaker 1: face was the bruises. But it was it was very
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  Speaker 1: very dark. I did not notice restraints. It just it
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  Speaker 1: was so dark. I barely barely saw her. And like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it was a flash, a flash early early
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  Speaker 1: the wee hours of the morning, and immediately Shasta County's Sheriff,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Basinco takes to the airways. Listen, we are very
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  Speaker 1: ecstatic to report that Sherry Papini has been located and
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  Speaker 1: has been reunited with her husband and family. On this
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  Speaker 1: day of Thanksgiving, I'm happy to say that Sherry is
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  Speaker 1: now safe and she has been treated at a area
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  Speaker 1: hospital outside of Shasta County and for non life threatening injuries.
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  Speaker 1: At about four thirty this morning, Chesskenny Sheriff's Office was
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  Speaker 1: notified that Sherry Peppini had been located. We learned that
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  Speaker 1: she was released by her captor on a rural road
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  Speaker 1: near I five in Yellow County. She was bound with restraints,
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  Speaker 1: but was able to summon from a passing help from
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  Speaker 1: a passing motorists on I five near County Road seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: again in about northern Yellow County. So apparently Sherry breaks
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  Speaker 1: restraints and manages to escape. To you, Nicole parton Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot com, what did Sherry say happen to her
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  Speaker 1: during all these days? I think it was twenty two
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  Speaker 1: days of captivity? What happened to her? What was her story?
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  Speaker 1: Her story is that she was out for her job,
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  Speaker 1: was abducted by what she explained as two Hispanic females.
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  Speaker 1: She said that they kept their face their faces covered
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  Speaker 1: from her pause pause, pause, abducted by two females? Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you correct, Nancy? That is what Sherry told authority? Okay, pause?
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD twenty two years
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  Speaker 1: of a side author. Two women abduct another woman. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying it can't happen, but statistically that's unheard of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that that doesn't have the smell test so exactly right,
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  Speaker 1: because it takes usually an overpowering fours. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is a small woman, there's no question about that. But
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  Speaker 1: it just it doesn't happen. That's like you said, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. But I guess to you, Joseph Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morgan death investigator, forensics expert, if she had been kidnapped
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  Speaker 1: for purposes of sex trade, I guess I could see
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  Speaker 1: females abducting her, especially if they were upponized, in order
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  Speaker 1: to lull her into a false sense of security. What
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  Speaker 1: about that, Jo Scott? Yeah, Yeah, And this is this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a routine that's played out over the years,
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  Speaker 1: but it's generally more passive. You'll have a smiling female
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  Speaker 1: that will approach an unaware female to kind of drag
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  Speaker 1: them into this kind of you know, event where they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna wind up being kidnapped. But two females coming out
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  Speaker 1: and literally snatching this lady off of the street. It
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  Speaker 1: just stands it sounds odd, and then on top of it,
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  Speaker 1: the most bizarre thing is that they find her, which
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  Speaker 1: is just absolutely incredible to me. A woman, as you heard,
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  Speaker 1: Alison's driving in the right hand lane, sees Peppini frantically
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  Speaker 1: waving what she said looked like a shirt. She was
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  Speaker 1: wide eyed and panicked, looking at was dark. She came
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  Speaker 1: out of seemingly nowhere. So Alison calls nine one one
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  Speaker 1: back to Nicole parton Nicole Partner Crime online dot com.
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  Speaker 1: So she says, two female Hispanic doctors take her, and
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  Speaker 1: then what she says that she has held against her wheel,
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  Speaker 1: she's bound with chains and through the entire time that
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  Speaker 1: she's held, she says she really can't understand anything the
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  Speaker 1: ladies are saying because they're speaking Spanish. Their faces are covered,
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  Speaker 1: so she has a hard time identifying them other than
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: she believes that they are of Hispanic origin. She speaks
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  Speaker 1: of their long, dark hair, and she doesn't give many
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  Speaker 1: details as far as what's happening, except that she has
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  Speaker 1: kept bound, she's emaciated, she wasn't given very much food
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  Speaker 1: to survive, and she does say that finally she is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: released a huge amount of weight as I recall, well
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  Speaker 1: over twenty pounds. When the husband keep a Penie gets
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital, they tell them to brace himself, that
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  Speaker 1: she looks a lot different. She then weighed just eighty
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  Speaker 1: seven pounds at the time he saw her, her face
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  Speaker 1: covered in yellow and black bruises, the bridge of her
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  Speaker 1: nose broken. The husband says when he first sees his wife,
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  Speaker 1: he felt quote nauseated, and to top it all off,
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  Speaker 1: her long blonde hair had been chopped off up near
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  Speaker 1: the scalp. To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, doctor Bober,
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  Speaker 1: cutting a woman's hair off that way, that's also a
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  Speaker 1: sign of mental and emotional abuse. Why well, it's like
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  Speaker 1: power and control and sometimes it's about keeping a trophy.
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  Speaker 1: So it can be a sign of abuse or it
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  Speaker 1: can be a sign of some kind of deviant fixation.
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  Speaker 1: But I do agree that it's pathological either way. Too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean to see Sherry Peppini, if you look at her,
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  Speaker 1: she got this long blonde hair. It's like her crowning beauty.
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  Speaker 1: And to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, I mean we
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  Speaker 1: saw that all the way back to concentration camps and
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  Speaker 1: before that, and certainly after that where women, as part
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  Speaker 1: of torturing them, you cut their hair off all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the scalp. Yeah, you do, and it dehumanizes
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  Speaker 1: the individual. And for me as an investigator, one of
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  Speaker 1: the questions I would be asking is, well, if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna take this beautiful woman and use her in the
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  Speaker 1: sex trade, okay, why would you? Why don't you cut
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  Speaker 1: all of her hair off? Unless they're trying to break
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  Speaker 1: her down to humanize her and then maybe build her
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  Speaker 1: back up. But I don't know, you know, why do
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  Speaker 1: you return this individual eighty seven pounds? Yeah, covered in bruises,
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  Speaker 1: nose broken. YEA Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guy Sherry
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  Speaker 1: Peppini is in such an emaciated and beaten and battered
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  Speaker 1: state when she is found back to Build Garcia, a
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  Speaker 1: private investigator who specializes in abduction cases, who investigated this case,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make the circumstances under what she said
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  Speaker 1: she lived during those twenty two days her miraculous returned
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  Speaker 1: home on Thanksgiving and the search for the perpetrators. Initially
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  Speaker 1: I believed it was a sexual abduction based on what
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  Speaker 1: the Shurts Department had disseminated about how she was found
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  Speaker 1: the chain around her waist, the brick tied to it
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  Speaker 1: or up, sorry, the block tied to that for weighing
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  Speaker 1: her down. The fact that she had been branded. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in all of the years that I've been doing this,
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  Speaker 1: and I work a lot with Mexican authorities when there's
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  Speaker 1: abductions that have gone into Mexico, and I have seen
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  Speaker 1: the branding type situation, and I do believe that that
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  Speaker 1: was a possibility based on that both old Oregon Trail
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  Speaker 1: high Way five is almost a super highway for both
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  Speaker 1: drug and sexual trafficking between Mexico and the Canadian border.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that after all this occurred a law
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  Speaker 1: that the task Force, both county and state increase their
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  Speaker 1: presence in these areas and have been extremely low key
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  Speaker 1: about what they're actually doing. Since I have received a
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  Speaker 1: number of calls from people who said, hey, I know
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  Speaker 1: who did it. One was out of Illinois. This particular
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  Speaker 1: subject said that he had found a slim wallet with
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  Speaker 1: a gallery picture or the studio picture of Sherry in
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  Speaker 1: the wallet, which wouldn't be you wouldn't find that just somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: That would have to be specific. That was ruled out
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  Speaker 1: back in November of this last year, I got received
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  Speaker 1: a second call from a gentleman in Oregon who said
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  Speaker 1: that they had recently aired the story in Oregon and
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  Speaker 1: he remembers seeing these two people and it was not
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  Speaker 1: two women. It was a man and it was a woman.
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  Speaker 1: And he saw them about three weeks prior to the
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  Speaker 1: abduction as a food DISI and I said, well, how
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  Speaker 1: do you know it was a man because I saw
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  Speaker 1: him without the mask and if you look at the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: sketch of the two people, the person on the right
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  Speaker 1: looks more like a man. I said, well, what stood
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  Speaker 1: out about them? And he says, oh, big time. The
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  Speaker 1: man had piercing green eyes. He goes, you can't miss that.
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  Speaker 1: They both had the long hair, and he saw them there.
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  Speaker 1: He attempted to advise Shasta County Sheriffs, as did I,
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  Speaker 1: and I left them a text correction. I left them
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  Speaker 1: a message, and I know that they never got in
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  Speaker 1: contact with his potential witness. Huh, piercing gray eyes on
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  Speaker 1: a Hispanic mail, that's something you would remember. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to take a listen to NBC News Gaddy Schwartz
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  Speaker 1: describing what happened to Shary Peppini. Listen in interviews with investigators,
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  Speaker 1: Peppini was able to provide only basic details about her kidnappers.
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  Speaker 1: One woman was younger, with long, curly hair, pierced ears,
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  Speaker 1: and thin eyebrows. The other was older, with graying, straight
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  Speaker 1: black hair and thick eyebrows. Peppini's husband telling People magazine
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  Speaker 1: she was badly beaten, her hair chopped off, and she
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  Speaker 1: was branded by her captors. He spoke about her abduction
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  Speaker 1: to ABC News. She was bound, She had a metal
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  Speaker 1: sorry a chain her out her waist, that is correct.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: She had a bag overhead, and that is correct. Her
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  Speaker 1: ten was in the vehicle, chained to something still unknown,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: say investigators, the motive for her kidnapping. Guys, why is
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it that doubt has been cast on Sherry Peppini? You know,
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  Speaker 1: to you death investigator and Joe Scott Morgan, she was
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: actually branded. I mean for her to have done this
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  Speaker 1: to herself, she'd have to lose down to eighty seven pounds,
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  Speaker 1: beat herself up, break her own nose, and brand herself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah don't. I don't see how how that would even
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  Speaker 1: be physically possible. I'm very curious about this brand, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, it's It's like Bill
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  Speaker 1: Willing just a second ago, He's had experiences in seeing
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  Speaker 1: cases like this where people have been branded and that
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  Speaker 1: brand itself is has a very specific identifier to it.
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  Speaker 1: First off, we can talk about what type of item
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  Speaker 1: would they have used in order to superheat and scorch
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  Speaker 1: her with, And then what's the what's the nature of
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  Speaker 1: the brand? Is it a flower, is it an animal figure?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a number? Good point? What about it, Bill Garcia,
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  Speaker 1: do we know what the brand was? Well, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times, as in the on these coast, pimps or
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  Speaker 1: people who prostitute women will put their their brand in
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  Speaker 1: New York, it's it's a crown. My experience here on
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the West Coast is when a Hispanic group, usually connected
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  Speaker 1: to a cartel, brands them. They use a coat hanger
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  Speaker 1: and I've seen this multiple times. Will they'll take a
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  Speaker 1: coldhanger and they'll put it in whatever shape, usually something
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  Speaker 1: connecting them to ownership of that person, and heat it up,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you know, in any number of ways, and then put
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  Speaker 1: the brand on the on the skin. In this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: it was never identified what that brand was, and I'm
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sure that's a major point in identifying who may have
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  Speaker 1: taken her again. Initially I thought it was sexual trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: As I got deeper into it and we started to
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  Speaker 1: get information, I suspected that these two people, and they
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: were described as Native American. Usually, once a person's found,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we're done. We don't continue, right. I later
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: learned that there had been a DNA possibly hair follicle
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: or something that identified a man's DNA on her person.
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  Speaker 1: If that is true, and these people were Native American,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: there's probably I'm sure there's a test that would be
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  Speaker 1: able to identify what culture that strand of hair or
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  Speaker 1: DNA came from. You know what, You're right about that,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely correct to Jay and Oceans veteran trial lawyer
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of New York. Jason, why do you
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  Speaker 1: believe doubt was cast on the victims story? I find
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  Speaker 1: it really hard to believe she broke her own nose. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she did. Uh. That is hard, and
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  Speaker 1: there'd be other bruises as well, assuming that it was
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: an object just to break the nose. Um, it's because
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of the facts and circumstances as have been laid out. Uh,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: two women. Uh, that doesn't happen often. Uh. You certainly
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: don't get recovery almost in the same area, uh, or
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: not that far away. It just it belies that's how
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you have to discover them. And you know it's sometimes
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it's luck or serendipity or good policing or keeping it
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: out there in the messaging. It just it boggles all statistics,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It boggles the the fact pattern of her turning up
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a cult hooker or she participated in one.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Well as to the brand, Jason, we understand that it
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was a message of sorts, obscure letters and the quality
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of the brand. Very poor guys with us today, Bill Garcia,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Bill Garcia Investigations, who actually investigated this case? Bill, Why
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: do you believe so many people rushed to blame Sherry herself.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: There's just people out there that don't have anything better
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: to do, and they cast these kind of doubts. You know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: she came from a family who was financially well off
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: from the Bay area, and they tried to utilize some
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: verbiage that she made back in high school and this
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: kind of snowballed. And there's people out there don't have
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: anything better to do, so they cast these doubts. Is
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: there still a reward for information, or has the reward
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: gone away? It dropped off the day before she was discovered.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I do know the tipline is in effect, and that
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  Speaker 1: number is five three zero two four five sixty five
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  Speaker 1: forty or nine one six three two one one zero
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  Speaker 1: two zero. The case of Sherry Peppini's kidnap remains unsolved.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,