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Travon Extension, Draft Day 2 & 3 Expectations | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Jackuar. Senior writer John Osher, NFL network
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  Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick bring you the latest on yours Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle
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  Speaker 1: Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick. John Oser is from the Middle Electric Center.
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  Speaker 2: We're at the Hyundai studios in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks is
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  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. Traffic per usual. Hi, Bucky, what's on
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  Speaker 2: you guys?
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  Speaker 3: What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, just re signing defensive linemen this week
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  Speaker 2: or a lineman Trayvon Walker, and then the off season
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  Speaker 2: programs a couple weeks away.
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  Speaker 4: That's what's happened.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I like, I like both of those things.
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  Speaker 5: I like the fact that Jevon Walker and locked up,
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  Speaker 5: and I like the fact that the guy's a schedule
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  Speaker 5: to get back to work in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker the extent in four years, one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten million dollars, seventy seven million of that guaranteed. Let's
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  Speaker 2: hear from Treva and Walker right after the signing. It
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  Speaker 2: was a new staff remember last year, and they believed
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  Speaker 2: in it.
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  Speaker 6: It really means a lot because, like you said, getting
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  Speaker 6: new staff in, like you, it's always that uncertainty and
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  Speaker 6: coming into the when they first got here, I feel
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  Speaker 6: like they did a great job of just communicating with
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  Speaker 6: me of things, and that kind of already put in
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  Speaker 6: perspective to how that relationship was going to go. Sometimes
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  Speaker 6: you never really know how it's going to go. But
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  Speaker 6: ever since they've been in, I feel like we on
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  Speaker 6: my end and then we've been transparent with each other
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  Speaker 6: and we just have course of conversation to where we
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  Speaker 6: can all just be comfortable. And that was one of
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  Speaker 6: Limb's main things, like say what's only speaking mind and
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  Speaker 6: go from there.
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  Speaker 2: He was coming off back to back double digit sack
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  Speaker 2: seasons going into last year, of course, such how we
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  Speaker 2: know all about the injuries that plagued him throughout the year,
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  Speaker 2: stayed on the field most of the time. But now
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  Speaker 2: he's cash it in for twenty seven and a half
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  Speaker 2: million a year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I try to think of new ways
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  Speaker 4: to say what I like about Trayvon because for two
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  Speaker 4: or three years talking about his strength and what he brings,
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  Speaker 4: but to me, Bucky, you've been on the personnel side
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  Speaker 4: of it inside and so you probably talk to more
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  Speaker 4: gms on a personal level of like sort of what
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  Speaker 4: motivates signings. But I remember GM told me a long
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  Speaker 4: time ago, when you're signing a guy to this kind
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  Speaker 4: of a contract, once he's got the money, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know exactly what he's going to be. And to me,
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  Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker, there's a lot of guys in the Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: like that. Trevor, you didn't worry about Josh Heinz Allen
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  Speaker 4: the effort and everything, but Trayvon might define that to
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  Speaker 4: me of same thing every day. He already had the
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  Speaker 4: money from when he was a rookie, so it's not
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  Speaker 4: like he was going to change his life. But he's
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  Speaker 4: the kind of guy, Bucky, to me, that gms love
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  Speaker 4: to sign and they can't wait to get a deal done.
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  Speaker 4: There's some that they sort of feel like they have
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  Speaker 4: to and you know, yeah, we've got to do this
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  Speaker 4: because of Xyz. Trayvon is the kind of guy that
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  Speaker 4: you rush to get it done.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think this continues the theme of the
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  Speaker 5: guys that the Jaguars have re signed to.
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  Speaker 7: Lucat their deals a been there kind of guys, meaning.
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  Speaker 5: The guys who not only are really great football players,
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  Speaker 5: but the character is exemplary.
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  Speaker 3: And with Trayvon.
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  Speaker 5: Walker, one of the hardest working guys in the building,
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  Speaker 5: a guy who's.
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  Speaker 3: A stand up guy. When everything's going wrong, he's the
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  Speaker 3: first to.
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  Speaker 5: Take accountability if he has a part in it. But
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  Speaker 5: also the steady growth that he has made as a
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  Speaker 5: number one overall pick who was really drafted and forced
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  Speaker 5: to play a different position because he was drafted as
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  Speaker 5: a projection as a defensive end as opposed to play
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  Speaker 5: in his natural spot, and he's only produced to look
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  Speaker 5: two seasons with ten plus sacks.
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  Speaker 3: He has twenty seven on his career.
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  Speaker 5: He's been really effective whenever he's played off the edges,
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  Speaker 5: and to me, he is a critical building block on
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  Speaker 5: a defense that played at a lightsile level. Really excited
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  Speaker 5: that he was able to get paid, but I'm also
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  Speaker 5: excited that in terms of the number that the Jaguars
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  Speaker 5: agreed to, twenty seven and a half million annually puts
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  Speaker 5: them twelve amongst edge rushers.
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  Speaker 3: It puts them in that.
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  Speaker 5: Same category with Brian Burns, Trey Hendrickson right there at
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  Speaker 5: twenty eight Josh Eines Allen is a little above him.
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  Speaker 5: So to me, you're able to have a win win
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  Speaker 5: where you paid him for.
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  Speaker 7: What he's done, but you didn't kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of overextend yourself on a player who hasn't.
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  Speaker 5: Quite gotten to that elite level when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: the production and the performance.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think, you know, we're so sack centric
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL these days, And I get how important
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  Speaker 4: sacks are if they had never invented the stat back in,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and they brought it in like nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one, and that really caused everybody to judge
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  Speaker 4: pass rushers on sacks. And I get how important they are.
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  Speaker 4: But had he played in nineteen eighty one pre sack,
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  Speaker 4: he'd be an All Pro guy when we weren't quite
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  Speaker 4: so obsessed with that number. And you looked at everything
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  Speaker 4: he does. And I was talking about in JAG's Am yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: how many times last year did he make big plays
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  Speaker 4: in big moments fourth downs. It's not in a sack number,
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  Speaker 4: but the fourth down stop against the Colts, the fourth
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  Speaker 4: down stop against the Jets multiple times coming down the
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  Speaker 4: stretch where he made big plays there. Well, that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: play into sack numbers, but you know, are they not
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  Speaker 4: as important there?
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  Speaker 7: You know?
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  Speaker 4: So I think what he brings. I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: he'll ever be a seventeen sack guy, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that he needs to be a seventeen sack guy
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  Speaker 4: to be the most important player in this defense, which
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  Speaker 4: I think he is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think what was interesting and reading some of the
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  Speaker 5: things and the quotes and Liam and Trayvon talking about how.
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  Speaker 7: Liam kind of put that Aaron Donald thing.
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  Speaker 5: In terms of being disruptive, not in terms of the
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  Speaker 5: comparison as a player or the position, but in terms
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  Speaker 5: of what it feels like they have to go against
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  Speaker 5: somebody like that every damn practice to be consistently disruptive
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  Speaker 5: to the point that you have to throw him out
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  Speaker 5: of practice so your offense can good work. And the
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  Speaker 5: only way that it happens is you have to exhibit
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  Speaker 5: those habits in practice. Can you dominate your one on
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  Speaker 5: one period? Can you dominate the team period? Can you
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  Speaker 5: do it each and every day? And if you do
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  Speaker 5: it each and every day, then you have a chance
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  Speaker 5: to do it consistently in games. It's the urging and
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  Speaker 5: pushing of Trayvon to be that player and him taking
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  Speaker 5: that feedback and really taking his game to another level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely the guy I want walking off the
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  Speaker 2: bus first and kind of set the tone for the day.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky. In your levels of football, were you ever tossed
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  Speaker 4: out of practice because you're so dominant?
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  Speaker 3: I mean not not for those reasons. For this was
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  Speaker 3: a the reason spiking.
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  Speaker 5: The ball to doing things like that, But no, I
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  Speaker 5: can't even imagine being held out. But that that kind
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  Speaker 5: of speaks to what the expectations are for this team
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  Speaker 5: and for Trayvon. And I'm gonna say this, I think
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  Speaker 5: his ability to move inside at times is going to
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  Speaker 5: be big as we can continue to grow the team
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  Speaker 5: and his ability to the team with Josh Anzellen, they've
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  Speaker 5: been a nice combo. Regardless of what you say, one
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  Speaker 5: is badman the others Robin, do you know when those
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  Speaker 5: two guys forty four and forty one are on the field, man,
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  Speaker 5: the Jaguars defense has a chance.
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  Speaker 7: To play at a high level when they're getting after it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I also thought JP there was an element here of
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  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know that this is why you
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  Speaker 4: sign him or whatever number, but the Jaguars identity and
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  Speaker 4: I think people are in the league are starting to
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  Speaker 4: catch on to it is of a tough, physical team
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  Speaker 4: that'll punch you in the mout. I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: people grasp that maybe nationally when you watch them, because
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  Speaker 4: you always see Trevor Lawrence and you saw last year
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  Speaker 4: Trevor getting hot at the end. But under Liam Cohen,
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  Speaker 4: this team wants to be the tougher team on Sunday,
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  Speaker 4: every Sunday, and they believe that when they are, they
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  Speaker 4: will win. I've said it over and over again. The
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  Speaker 4: people I know where I'm going with it. I think
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  Speaker 4: Brenton Strange is the identity on offense. And I think
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  Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker is the guy that you know, if you
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  Speaker 4: look at you know, if if you put everybody on
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  Speaker 4: this team in the room buck and made him fight
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  Speaker 4: to get out, and so you've got to you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you win this, you're okay. Nobody else is living.
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  Speaker 4: I think Trayvon's walking out of that room. I mean so,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I'm exaggerating, but you know I'm getting that.
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  Speaker 4: To me, he is the identity of this team in
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  Speaker 4: terms of being the tougher team on the field on
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  Speaker 4: a given day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, some people will talk about like who is the
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  Speaker 5: tip of the spear, the point on the sword, who's
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  Speaker 5: the one that kind of gets it started when it
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  Speaker 5: goes down to like being that on the physical contest.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll say the first hand watch.
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  Speaker 7: Him on the field.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's definitely at the front of the line when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to if it's going to happen, we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: do it.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen it.
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  Speaker 5: I want to say maybe in Vegas against the Raiders
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  Speaker 5: that may have played out where he got a little testy.
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  Speaker 5: He is always around the pray in the action. He
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  Speaker 5: definitely not a pray. But my question to you, John
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  Speaker 5: would be, what do we think JP would stack up
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  Speaker 5: in that if it's if it's a if.
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  Speaker 3: It's a game of throwes that we got.
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  Speaker 7: To fight our way out, Like is JP coming out?
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  Speaker 3: JP? You coming out?
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  Speaker 2: Are there rules? What are the ground rules here?
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  Speaker 4: What's allowed?
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  Speaker 2: What's not allowed?
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  Speaker 3: The fact that you want rules, there's no rules. We're
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  Speaker 3: just figured out what.
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  Speaker 2: Is behind that door I'm going after is a great
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  Speaker 2: question really.
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  Speaker 4: But and final thought on Trayvon, you know, on these lines,
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  Speaker 4: and this sort of sounds like like a cliche, but
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  Speaker 4: I think when you're building something like this, it matters. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: had you not done this. Players know who the guys are.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't want to let tray Von out of the building,
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  Speaker 4: certainly because then you're looking for another one and you
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  Speaker 4: can't find one. But I do think there is a
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  Speaker 4: consciously unconsciously a message to the rest of the guys. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: this is what we're about. We believe in this. You
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  Speaker 4: sure didn't want it. If you don't resign him. There's
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  Speaker 4: players in the locker room looking around going what do
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  Speaker 4: they want? I mean if they don't want that? So
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  Speaker 4: how much of a factor is that As a GM Bucky.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a major factor. And the reason why
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  Speaker 5: it's a major factor, Johnny, is because we talked about
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  Speaker 5: a these are the kind of guys that we want
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  Speaker 5: on the team. Well, you want to reward those guys
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  Speaker 5: on the front end, out on the back end. You
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  Speaker 5: don't want to make him play his contract out to
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  Speaker 5: the term before you finally decide to give him an extension.
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  Speaker 5: If he says and shows you that, hey man, he's
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  Speaker 5: one of our guys. He preps, already practices, already plays halrdy,
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  Speaker 5: he plays where he performs at a high level. We
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  Speaker 5: want to meet him early. We want to be proactive
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  Speaker 5: in those negotiations as opposed to reactive or whatever. And
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  Speaker 5: also from a fiscal responsibility an economical standpoint, it is always.
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  Speaker 7: Better when you pay the gap early than late.
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  Speaker 2: the pre draft luncheon, a couple of weeks out from
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  Speaker 2: the draft. We'll hear from GM James Gladstone about days
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  Speaker 2: two and three, because day one is not on the
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  Speaker 2: docket at the moment. The Jaguars first pick is number
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  Speaker 2: fifty six overall, and I expect we'll eat well, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're going to really hear John.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, I mean it's Uh, every year. Really it's
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  Speaker 4: the same story, and there's not much of a story
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  Speaker 4: usually coming out of these. It's do you think you're
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  Speaker 4: trade up or down? What are the strengths of the draft?
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  Speaker 4: A Gladstone, you know, is a little more willing to
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  Speaker 4: be forthcoming than some gms, but there's a pre draft
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  Speaker 4: Luncheons are tough because there's just not a lot to say,
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  Speaker 4: because even if you wanted to say something, the answer
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  Speaker 4: to the question is always like I get questions all
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  Speaker 4: the time, and I'll lead into a question for the
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  Speaker 4: scout or for the draft. Guruy the king of the comma.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is Bucket's time of year. If your
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  Speaker 4: answer all but you know, it's impossible to answer the question,
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  Speaker 4: do you think they'll aggressively trade up? I get that
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  Speaker 4: question once a day, Bucky, And the reality is the
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  Speaker 4: only answer to the question is depending on well, who's there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely think the Jaguars going into the
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  Speaker 4: draft will have certain sweet spots of Okay, it's now
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  Speaker 4: down to thirty six. There are a couple of players
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  Speaker 4: we like if they drop to this level. Is that
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  Speaker 4: how you see it? You've been inside of it. I
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  Speaker 4: assume That's what you have to do is have some
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  Speaker 4: target points when guys fall to certain levels.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so people will talk about cluster busters, or you
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  Speaker 5: kind of rank a group of players similarly, or there
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  Speaker 5: are a couple guys that are target guys that you're like, man,
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  Speaker 5: we really like this guy, guy that we think.
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  Speaker 3: This guy will help us, or there are two.
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  Speaker 7: Or three guys that are in that and then you begin.
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  Speaker 3: To say, okay, well, what's the range.
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  Speaker 5: If we're sitting at forty six, where do we need
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  Speaker 5: to get to to make sure that we have a
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  Speaker 5: shot at him? And you begin to assess what those
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  Speaker 5: teams in that range may have.
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  Speaker 7: You begin to kind of preliminary make some.
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  Speaker 3: Of those phone calls. He would you be willing?
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  Speaker 7: Now, no one is going.
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  Speaker 5: To lock themselves into it, but you're beginning to kind
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  Speaker 5: of set the parameters of where you need to get
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  Speaker 5: to to get the kind of players that you want.
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  Speaker 5: And every team has a group of players that, man,
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  Speaker 5: they really fall in love with and they would ideally like.
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  Speaker 3: To have on their squad.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a matter of these reasonable expectations to think
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  Speaker 5: that some.
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  Speaker 3: Of these players can get to us. But if they
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  Speaker 3: are in range, knowing James and how the team is
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  Speaker 3: operated over the last year.
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  Speaker 7: There's no doubt that we'll try and make a way.
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  Speaker 3: To make it happen.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of been his history, and that's been the
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  Speaker 5: history of his organization. That is with before with the Rams,
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  Speaker 5: if they see somebody they like, they're not afraid to
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  Speaker 5: put a trigger.
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  Speaker 4: I have a multi pronged question for the draft. Gat
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  Speaker 4: good thing we don't have a time stream. What's the
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  Speaker 4: highest you could see them getting to from fifty six,
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  Speaker 4: and what would it cost and what would they be wanting.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would say that James is already kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of established some of the things that he would be
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  Speaker 5: willing to part ways with when he added the importance
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  Speaker 5: of the compicks and doing those things. I would think
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  Speaker 5: that our reasonable range is moving up fifteen picks that'll
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  Speaker 5: put you at like forty forty one.
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  Speaker 3: That'll get you a player.
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  Speaker 5: There's probably like a fringe first round talent, but they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to give up a couple of like.
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  Speaker 3: Thirds and forth and some swaps or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Like you're not gonna have to give a first round,
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  Speaker 5: but you're gonna have to give up multiple picks to
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  Speaker 5: move up there.
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  Speaker 4: And it's so hard to say what worth is. But
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  Speaker 4: is outside backer a position that's worth doing that or
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  Speaker 4: it's player dependent?
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  Speaker 3: Obviously?
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  Speaker 7: Look, man, I think it's player dependent. And I know,
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  Speaker 7: like we get get into weeds.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of positional value and those things. But man,
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  Speaker 3: if you're a team that needs an outside linebacker.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm assuming you're talking about an outside, stand up
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  Speaker 5: edge linebacker, you're talking about replacing Devin Lloyd type.
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming replacing Devin Lloyd. But which is there?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? No, I mean because it's different only the reasons.
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  Speaker 3: I say it's a bit different, because like the type
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  Speaker 3: of player that you're chasing. Right, So we're.
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  Speaker 5: Talking fifty six second round, we're talking about maybe anywhere
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  Speaker 5: from Anthony Hill from Texas, who is a real linebacker
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  Speaker 5: who have some past rush ability.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: We're talking about Jacob Rodriguez.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: From Texas Tech, who is a splash play machine. He
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: is always around the ball. He's a little undersized, but
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: in terms of being a sea ball get ball defended
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: with great instinct, there's not a better one. And because
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: he tested so well at the combine, he's definitely in
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: play in the second round. If you're talking about someone
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: that can come off the edge and maybe like, hey
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: we put him in on Nickel situations. Trayvon kicks down.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: You're talking about Gabe achis from Illinois, maybe as I
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: am young from Missouri, maybe even from UCF malachat Lawrence.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So there's some players that are in play. Is just
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: trying to.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Get a good feel for who they like and what
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: they believe that range will be, and being able to.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: See if you can find some willing trade partners.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Is this even a year, you know, with four in
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: the top one hundred, do you even want to move up?
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Or is the third round fertile enough where you're better
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: off just getting four players meaning a second rounder and
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: three third rounders. It feels like a draft where there's
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: more good players there than there are great players up top.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: If you know what I'm getting.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: At, yeah, of top, But if you know what you're.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Doing in terms of like you know who you're targeting,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: you simply have to make the decision. Would I'd rather
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: have more lottery tickets or would I'd rather have the
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: lottery ticket from the store that I want, Meaning, look,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: I can move up and get the player that I want.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Would I rather have.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: A collection of players that we feel good like, Look,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the odds will tell you that there's really no major
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: difference between second and third round players. You kind of
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: have to get lucky with fitting this game. Given how
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: they operate, I would think that they may be a
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: little more likely to kind of sit and pick unless
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: one of their blue chip.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: Guys kind of falls through the crack for whatever reason.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Do eleven rookies make this team jams?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Boy? I don't know.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot. I kind of went through
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: the roster. They could. I mean there's about forty one
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: forty guys that you if you go through the roster like, okay,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I can't see them not being here. So roster churn
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: in this day and age eleven is not uncommon. The
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: good Colts teams I covered who are really really good
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: usually you know, ten or eleven a season. You sort
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: of have to do that with the cap and to
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: keep it young. That's sort of the formula. So I
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: can see them making all eleven picks, but I could
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: also see them only making nine.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I could see I could see. I
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: think a realistic thing is them.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: Keeping them picking eight or nine.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: But parlaying some of those picks into better position or
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: trading them off to get stuff for next year.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: I think James always says an eye towards making.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Sure that the war chest is loaded with enough capital
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: to give them options later in the year over the
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: summer in those things. But and the reason I hate
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: to keep referencing the rams, but the rams have been successful.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Because they've created pathways and opportunities for young guys to play.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But you have to draft enough young guys to kind
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: of populate the bottom of the rocks. And to me,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I know that's a big deal for them. They want
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: young guys to do it because as we're beginning to
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: see the money changes with Trevor, you start having to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: pay people.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: You have to have some young chief talent and prominent positions,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and the draft is the best way to get, you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: cheap talent on your team.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: All right, Draft luncheon coming up Thursday. We'll hear from
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the gm is leaving there too. I forget who's sure
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I know for Sir James Gladstone. We'll have coverage of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: it on Jaguars dot Com Jaguars YouTube for the recaps
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: that everything goes with that. We've got Jaguars Happy Hour
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: tomorrow afternoon, Jeff flag them, W'll be in and here
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: we go, finally winding into draft talking and off season programs.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Starts April twentieth, Buck, what do you got coming up
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the next week?
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to get my season tickets to Carolina basketball,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: and now that Mike Malonea has come on board, really
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: excited about.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: My toorios were all the way back.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: The baseball team is playing great. I'm just really excited.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Now I'm back to do some alum stuff and take
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: care of that. But then when it comes to the draft, Look,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to get through the next few weeks
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: to kind of see where everyone goes on.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: Draft weekend, and then I get to do my favorite
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: part of.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: The draft, and that is to place grades.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: There's nothing I love more than to.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Let the teacher and me come out and mark up
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: some papers and give grades.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I love it. JP.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love reading that too, because you know, not
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: everybody's always.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: Nothing about those. I love Grace.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: If it allows me to scratch the hitch the wanna
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: be teacher meet gets a chance to do.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: That, may as well. Great OTAs.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, John, if I could tell you the size
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: behind grade when you.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Take a stack of papers and just roll them down
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: the steps and each stepan Corlis would a grade then
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: definitely great.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: So it comes to the I love it, I like
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it very true.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, Bucky, well done. We'll talk to you again next week.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Bucky.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Thanks Betty, Hi, we're seeing
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Blucky Brooks Shadows DRM, JP Shaddick or thanks for Britt Reaver,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Joe Fortunato and thanks for listening to huddle up with
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks.