Latest / Pastor John Piper's answers / Hoping in God When Our Heroes Die
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- 0:04In every generation, the church is gifted with a few influential leaders, dynamic
- 0:09voices that emerge and leave an indelible mark on countless lives. With the gospel,
- 0:13Pastor John, this would include you in our current era. However,
- 0:17as you well know, all such leaders eventually exit the stage. A harsh
- 0:22reality we faced this spring, and this void left by such leaders can evoke
- 0:27fear about the church's future, an anxiety put to words by Natasha from Jacksonville,
- 0:32Florida, in her email to you, Pastor John, Your ministry has
- 0:36built mi in my husband's faith for the last twenty years, she writes,
- 0:40we adopted three girls from Liberia, inspired to not waste our lives. I've
- 0:44always felt so much encouragement in my walk, knowing I'm part of a larger
- 0:48body of Christian believers and leaders. My problem is the fear that I find
- 0:52myself feeling over the state of the modern church. Many leaders have fallen to
- 0:57temptation or quit the ministry altogether. Very few last as long as the older
- 1:00generations did. When Tim Keller passed away earlier this year, I found myself
- 1:06worried over what leaders and what quality of leaders will take the Baton in the
- 1:11future. I know the Lord wants me to find my hope in him and
- 1:14him alone. However, I find myself thinking negatively and with like some insight
- 1:18into the hope of the Christian Church when the elder statesman like yourself and Tim
- 1:23Keller are gone. This question has a special relevance for me because I can
- 1:30remember the very place I was standing on our back porch in Greenville, South
- 1:38Carolina, when I was fourteen years old, as the fearful thought entered my
- 1:44mind, what will we do if Billy Graham dies? I mean, I
- 1:49can remember that this is so clearly. It was a very powerful moment.
- 1:56So some of our younger listeners may not even know who Billy is. Right.
- 2:00I was talking to somebody the other day. They did not know who
- 2:02he was. Oh my goodness. Billy Graham was the most well known evangelical
- 2:10Christian in the twentieth century. As an immature, provincial, fourteen year old
- 2:17Christian, I thought the future of Christianity hangs on the preservation of Billy Graham.
- 2:27So I have tasted this anxiety expressed in this question. Is there is
- 2:31there a healthy, strong future for the Bible believing evangelical church when influential leaders
- 2:42are passing off the scene. Now, I think I could point out some
- 2:49factors among the younger generation today that would be encouraging. I think I could
- 2:53do that, but I think it will have more lasting and deeper effect on
- 3:00our encouragement if I cite instead five scriptures that relate to this issue, very
- 3:07definitely. Number one, when the author of the Book of Hebrews said in
- 3:15chapter thirteen, verse seven, remember your leaders, those who spoke to you
- 3:21the word of God, Consider the outcome of their way of life, and
- 3:25imitate their faith. Do you know what the very next words were out of
- 3:31that author's mouth after he said remember your leaders. The next words were,
- 3:38Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Now why did
- 3:45he do that? Why did he say that? Why was that the next
- 3:47thing to say after the command to remember the leaders and imitate their faith?
- 3:57Why a promise that Jesus is the same from generation to generation. And surely
- 4:04he did that to counter the fear that if leaders are passing off the scene,
- 4:12which they were this is past ten since chapter thirteen, verse seven,
- 4:15they're passing off the scene, then we're going to be bereft of the kind
- 4:23of leadership we've been used to and that we need, and to remedy that
- 4:28fear, the writer says, actually, Jesus will be there, and he
- 4:34will be the same. He will do what needs to be done. Number
- 4:40two, when Elijah was despairing over the condition of Israel in his own day,
- 4:47he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord, the God
- 4:51of Hosts, for the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down
- 4:58your altars, killed your prophets with the sword, and I even I only
- 5:04am left, and they seek my life to take it away. That's First
- 5:09King's nineteen ten. Now the apostle Paul picks up on Elijah's despairing words and
- 5:18asks in Romans eleven, if in his own day God had rejected his people
- 5:26the way Elijah feels like is over for Israel, and he quotes Elijah's words,
- 5:33But then he writes, but what does God reply to Elijah. God's
- 5:40reply is I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the
- 5:48knee to bail from which Paul concludes, so too, at the present time,
- 5:56there is a remnant chosen by Grace Romans eleven two through five, and
- 6:02the keywords are I have kept for myself. So God never leaves the fate
- 6:11of his people to mere chance or to the vagaries of human history and the
- 6:16rise and fall of leaders, even Christian leaders. He does the keeping of
- 6:24his people. Third, the existence of godly leaders in Christ's Church are Christ's
- 6:35gift to the church. Christ's gift to the Church, not history's gifts,
- 6:41not the Church's gift, not Fate's gift. Christ gives leaders. They don't
- 6:47just happen. They are Christ's appointment, not the mere work of man.
- 6:53So Ephesians four eleven. Christ gave shepherds and teachers to the church to equip
- 7:00the saints. Acts twenty twenty eight. Elders, pay careful attention to yourselves
- 7:08and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit set you ethetah in Greek
- 7:14tith. They may set you put you as overseers. The Spirit did that.
- 7:19Man didn't do that. Colossians four seventeen say to Archippus, see that
- 7:25you fulfill the ministry that you received from the Lord. The Lord gives the
- 7:31ministry Luke twelve forty two. The Lord said, who then is the faithful
- 7:36and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household to give them
- 7:44their food at the proper time. The Lord sets managers over his household.
- 7:49This is not a mere human thing. It's not a mere matter of the
- 7:55ebb and flow of history. The Lord of history appoints leaders. So our
- 8:01role is Matthew nine point thirty eight. The harvest is plentiful, the laborers
- 8:07are few. Pray the Lord of the harvest. Pray earnestly to the Lord
- 8:13of the Church, the Lord of the harvest, the Lord of the mission,
- 8:18the Lord of the world. Send out laborers into your harvest. That's
- 8:22what we should be praying, and we usually just restrict that text to missionaries.
- 8:26It means anywhere there's some initiative needed to harvest and to grow the church,
- 8:37pray it down. Number four. Jesus said in Matthew sixteen eighteen,
- 8:43I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against
- 8:48it. So ultimately, the perseverance and the strength of the Church is owing
- 8:54to the will of the sovereign Christ, not to his leaders, but to
- 9:00Christ himself, who uses leaders and raises them up. We must always look
- 9:05finally to him. And then fifth. When we read the history of the
- 9:13kings of Israel, one of the things that stands out is the quality the
- 9:22faithfulness of the kings, and how it does not depend on who their father
- 9:28was. In other words, a very bad king may have a good son,
- 9:37a good king may have a bad son. So godliness in the line
- 9:45of Judas kings may skip a generation or two. Now this you might feel
- 9:50this is pessimistic because I am suggesting that can happen in the evangelical church.
- 9:56But the fact that God is in control of that, and this has happened
- 10:01many times before, it means there's always a future. For example, Jotham
- 10:05was a good king, not a perfect king, but second Kings fifteen thirty
- 10:09four says he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord. But
- 10:15his son ahaz was a wicked king. But his son Hazekiah was a faithful
- 10:20king. But his son and grandson were wicked kings Manessa and Ammon, but
- 10:28AMA's son Josiah was a good king. What this implies is that the godliness
- 10:35of leadership in one generation is no guarantee of the godliness of the next generation.
- 10:45But more hopeful is the other implication. The ungodliness of leadership in one
- 10:52generation is no guarantee that the next generation will be ungodly. I've seen that.
- 11:00I've seen this in the church today. Just when you think that the
- 11:05sources of faithful leadership have all gone astray, faithful leaders come out of nowhere.
- 11:13This is what God loves to do. In fact, this is precisely
- 11:18why He chose to make Abraham and Sarah the parents of all future godly leadership.
- 11:24Because it was humanly impossible. Abraham was too old, Sarah was barren.
- 11:28All hope of godly leadership coming out of their loins was feudle. It
- 11:33wasn't going to happen. But Paul makes it crystal clear what God's doing,
- 11:39and he knew what he was doing. God, he says, made the
- 11:43promise to Abraham. He gives life to the dead and calls into existence things
- 11:52that do not exist. There it is so maybe the word to close on
- 11:58on this is you of leadership. If you look around and you wonder will
- 12:05there be faithful pastors and leaders to come, and you don't see what you
- 12:09want to see. Remember, God calls into existence things that do not exist.
- 12:20Yeah. Amen, God, sovereignly reigns generation by generation. Thank you,
- 12:24Pastor John. And you're Billy Graham mentioned here reminds me of the story
- 12:28you told about when you first met him. You reminisced on the encounter and
- 12:31his life has impact on you, and you're fears for the future of the
- 12:35church when Graham would be gone. All of that you shared ironically on the
- 12:39day Billy Graham passed away in twenty eighteen. We titled that episode on the
- 12:43Day Billy Graham died. You can find it in the archive at ask Pastor
- 12:48John dot com. Well speaking of life after loss, next time, Andrea,
- 12:56a broken woman who recently lost her husband to pay creative cancer, seeks
- 13:01guidance from Pastor John on how to navigate the long process of returning back to
- 13:05a normal life. Despite holding on to the Word of God and receiving support
- 13:09from friends, she's struggling to move on. How do we return to normal
- 13:13life after tragedy? That's up next. I'm your host, Tony Rank.
- 13:18We'll see you Thursday.