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Ranking Every Big 12 Football Coach for 2026 + Big 12 Media Days Takeaways (S5//E3) · Cocaine Willie

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  OK, so people want What's up everybody?
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  You're listening to yet another edition of Cocaine Willy.
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  Thank you for enjoying the new theme song.
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  Had to get rid of the the Coach Tang at the beginning.
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  Had to throw in some of the greatest hits from the last two
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  press conferences for the 2 new head coaches, Coach Colin Klein
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  and head coach Casey Alexander. But guys, it's exciting to be
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  here. We got a lot to talk about.
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  It's good to have you back. That was heat.
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  I mean, that was absolute heat. I'm I feel there's a a Little
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  There's a both of them, right? Not a Tron, not a Tron pod, not
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  a Tron pod, but we got a lot to talk about tonight.
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  We just had Big 12 Media Days today and we're going to do our
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  now annual because last year was the inaugural Big 12 head coach
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  power rankings or we're going to go through each and every head
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  coach in the Big 12. And we're going to give you our
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  take on where they rank, where they stack up with four new head
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  coaches coming in this season. Some guys who had really good
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  seasons last year and some guys had some bad seasons last year
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  or at least below average that that are still being retained by
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  I would drink it. Little little tahin on the
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  little on the rim. Let's go.
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  Like I was like a Tahin rim. All right, boys.
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  So before we get into the head coach power ratings and, and,
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  and recapping last year what that looked like, I want to talk
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  about Big 12 media days. There was a little bit of a
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  media firestorm that happened yesterday with a couple of
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  different things that were announced.
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  First and foremost, we we cannot be remiss, be remiss if not to
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  mention the Green Monster Energy patches, jersey patches and
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  field logos that will be happening and the Big 12
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  rebranding football and men's and women's basketball this year
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  to Monster Energy Big 12 football and Monster Energy Big
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  12 basketball. And we got confirmation today, I
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  think from Kellis Robinette that the the jersey patches will be
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  green indeed. Thoughts on Monster Energy
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  becoming the entitlement sponsor, the Big 12, and
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  thoughts on the peripheral things that come with that, the
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  jersey patches, field sponsors, and everything in between.
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  So the OK, so the university can also have its own patch that
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  goes outside of that because I know there's a couple
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  universities that have patches that are already going to be in
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  use. So is it double patched up or we
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  going patched up? We're going, oh man, this is.
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  The Jayhawks are going crypto and Kyle at the same time.
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  OK. And I mean, I really wish, I
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  really wish that everybody's wasn't green.
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  Yeah. How idiot?
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  It's going to look weird on the Baylor uniform when they wear
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  their green and yellows. Like, that's just going to look
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  strange, right? I mean, I was thinking it was
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  going to look on. I thought it was going to look
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  strange on everybody but Baylor. That's honestly what I was I was
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  thinking. That but him well.
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  Yeah, I I, I don't know if I'm a fan of it, but you know, money
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  is money. It's honestly, I'm not going to
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  be looking too deep into it. You know, patches be patching
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  and I'll be watching from ATV monitor.
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  So I don't think I'll notice all that much when it's third down
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  and six on a big drive to go up 14 on Texas or who we playing
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  this year. Let's go Kansas.
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  Wow. I mean, it's going to look
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  really dumb, you know, Like, I wish there could be some
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  creativity with it. Doesn't have to be green.
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  Like fast is that install going to be for the football fields by
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  the way? Like I mean I don't think it'll
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  be a problem. I think they can put down turf
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  and logos. No, no issue.
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  It just hacked 12 schools. They they did their installs
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  pretty damn quickly after July 1st hit a couple years ago.
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  Yeah. All right, Matt knows.
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  Matt knows that this is going to look silly and you know.
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  Look, I'm all about image and look.
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  Just have a purple lamb come out with AK State logoed monster
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  beverage. Every Big 12 school gets their
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  own beverage. I mean.
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  It's like Rev Honey. Yeah, I mean, not every can of
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  monster is green though. That's what I that's what I'm
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  also wondering. Like why can't they have the
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  alternate color patches? Because I'm I'm pretty sure they
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  have the as many monster flavors as there are.
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  There are definitely the rainbow of assorted M's that could go
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  down. Here's the deal though.
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  This is, This is like a dream come true for Matt and I, our
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  friend Hayden Coons, the pride of Slidell, LA, former former
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  Monster Energy Rep, fellow Delta Sig, brother of ours.
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  That dude was handing out monsters before every single
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  party and at every single party that was thrown in college.
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  This is like, this has to be I, I'm gonna shoot him a text after
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  this. This has to be like a dream come
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  true for him. Not have been his work.
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  It might have been. It might have been.
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  Yeah, might have. Been, you know, he might have
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  brokered this, He might have brokered this.
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  What is it, a $16,000,000 deal? I don't know how big the deal
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  was. We're getting $1,000,000 for
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  this. Yeah, that's not that big of a
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  deal. That's the other $1,000,000.
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  That's the other thing I I forgot which national guy
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  tweeted it might have been like Tom Fornelli or someone but he
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  someone said like wait, so every school only gets $1,000,000?
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  I feel like $20 million to sell the name of your conference to
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  Monster Energy is just not enough.
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  That's not enough. I mean, but realistically, yeah,
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  you're selling it, but who really cares?
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  Like it's it's 20, it's free $20 million.
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  I mean I'm just curious were there not Monster has to do or
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  they're probably they're? Probably bigger, bigger pockets.
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  Maybe, but like Monster has to, I'm going to I'm going to assume
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  Monster has to do all the branding they have to approve.
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  They probably have to. Well, I mean if they sold the
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  name, right. So I mean, does Monster have to
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  approve anything? I don't know what they do.
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  I just you know, I think it's just free money at this point,
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  but it lets you know, it kind of gives the little symbol the
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  signal. Big 12 Strat for cash brother,
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  we are Strat. Trucks Truck Stop 12.
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  Let's go. It would have been nice.
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  It would have been nice to be just.
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  In the words of big Daddy, your mark, we've never been greater
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  than 12. That's misquoting him.
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  We're strong. We're we're 16 strong and
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  growing stronger. Speaking of I I got to talk
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  about tortilla guy from Red Raider nation doing the the
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  whole Texas Tech trying to trying to do a mic drop moment
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  on on commissioner. Your mark basically the the
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  exchange that happened was this guy starts referencing, you
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  know, 2012 Oklahoma State had their paddles.
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  They had to get a special exemption from the conference
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  for noisemakers and he's somehow drawing a correlation between
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  that and then the tortillas not being able to be thrown on the
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  field. He says a couple of other
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  things, but it's just like the the Cincinnati investigate.
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  Like they're not investigating Cincinnati, but they haven't
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  dropped a lawsuit against Texas Tech, Although today the news
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  dropped that the NCAA is investigating Cincinnati.
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  So it just it felt like crocodile tears to me.
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  But did you see the the tortilla quote?
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  And what did you think of the exchange when your mark then
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  said stand up, ask your question again, and then I'll give you
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  the answer I want to give you. Where do we begin?
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  Where do we begin? I mean, I it was kind of
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  embarrassing like it was, it was kind of embarrassing as an
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  outsider, like the question. The question seems like 2 guys
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  behind them, just like rubbing their eyes.
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  What are we doing? I don't understand why everybody
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  feels like they have to be like Cody Campbell.
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  You know, they just have to be like talking and talking and
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  talking. And immediately like Brett
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  Normark's response, I also thought wasn't very good.
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  I mean, you, he was obviously getting handed this question
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  very pointedly. And the the thing about it is I
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  understand like the unity aspect of needing all these schools to
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  be together because from a conference perspective, it's
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  important that everybody's on the same page with what's going
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  on. But Texas Tech has really become
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  almost kind of with the sores be thing, but also just in general
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  with Cody Campbell, they've just become very annoying.
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  Like they they they they have become very annoying because I
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  think they they believe that, OK, we had one really good year
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  in football. We made it to the College
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  Football Playoff that ultimately, OK, we're the king
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  in the conference this and that. Like, yeah, you're not like
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  you're not. And having your media ask a
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  question like that is just so embarrassing for, for Texas
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  Tech. And, and they've, they've just
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  become a, a, a school in this conference that has, I feel like
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  rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with how they've been acting
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  about all these different things.
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  And now it's at a point where like, I don't necessarily like
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  them. I don't care if they like K
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  State, but I, I just, you have people that are just acting very
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  childish about all these different things.
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  And at the end of the day, I don't feel sorry for anything
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  that has happened at Texas Tech. I don't feel sorry about your
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  tortilla situation. You know, I however that
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  happened, you know, it's just unfortunate.
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  Like you just have media that are acting childish and it makes
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  you look bad. You know, you may not think it
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  if you're a Texas Tech fan, but it makes you look bad.
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  Yeah, I mean it realistically it they are turned off of one
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  season, a really good season behind you.
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  They, I mean, they are a really good football team.
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  And some would say that they're they're anointment at the top of
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  the conference is valid because we all would say that they are
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  the most talented team. They are the most financially
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  stable team in the Big 12. And the issue is that they are
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  turning themselves into the Texas of what Texas used to be
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  of the old Big 12 and how they they thought they were validated
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  and they could say whatever they want after.
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  You know, they Texas had really before they were talking crazy,
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  they were talking off of those Mack Brown national championship
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  appearances and wins and and it just kept going.
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  And this is kind of just a hyper speed version of what Texas had
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  become in the Big 12 where they thought they were the top dog.
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  And they can kind of just cry about anything, say that we were
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  going to take our ball and go. And you saw it throughout the
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  whole soresby situation that they're going to take their ball
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  and they're going to go. If you don't, you don't treat us
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  the way we want to be treated. They think they're above all
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  this. And I think they they think it's
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  injustice, but it's all justified because what you did
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  was wrong. But the reason why they feel
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  that way is because they had a really good season and they have
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  a really good football team currently.
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  So really the only way to get them back into the place where
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  they belong is really two things.
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  The money dries up, which I don't think that's going to
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  happen. Or two, they have an 8 and four
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  season and we just they punch him in the face and the Big 12
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  puts him through the ringer. And that's going to have to be
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  proven on the football field. But that's that's how you got
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  Texas to not be so Texas Y uppity some of the times is you
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  got to stomp them on the football field.
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  Yeah, it's, it's to me, it's a combination of what Texas was
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  probably the last four years in the conference, three years in
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  the conference. And then when they were good
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  with Mack Brown, because in 20 tens they were at least self
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  deprecating. Like they were bad and they knew
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  it and they were, you know, they would make jokes at their own
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  expense. Like I've got a buddy who I when
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  I was living in Austin, I got a buddy who would just be, he
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  would bet on Texas to lose every game.
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  So he would at least make money every time they lost.
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  And it like they, they have that self deprecated.
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  To me, it's a combination of the like the, the insufferable Texas
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  fans and the insufferable Aggie fans and all the worst things
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  about A&M fans combined into one because Texas at least had a leg
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  to stand on. They had the championship and
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  the, the, the history and the, you know, that aura of being a,
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  a blue blood program. A&M hasn't done Jack shit.
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  They they haven't won a conference title since 1998,
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  which I don't need to bring that up from AK State perspective,
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  but like they had to go and add national titles to their stadium
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  to make themselves feel better when they did that renovation in
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  2012 after Johnny Manziel built the new Kyle Field with all of
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  the money that he didn't make on his own success.
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  So to me it's it's this like tech has literally no leg to
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  stand on here. They I don't think they've ever
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  won a national title in football.
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  I mean. They have.
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  They've won really good. One conference title in the
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  entire time they've been in the Big 12 in football.
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  Like at least give me something here.
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  Like, come on, you have one. They are a.
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  Really good football team. They are a really good football
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  team. And they're gonna, they're gonna
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  stand by the the era that we're in.
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  They're gonna, if the era doesn't change and the money
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  doesn't dry up, they're gonna be really good for a long time in
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  the Big 12. So it's just they're kind of
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  just getting up a little bit above ahead of their skis.
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  But you know, if I was in the situation, I would, I would
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  cringe at the media doing that. But I mean, that's, that's what
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  frontrunners do. They talk like this.
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  Then I I got it. If if Tex wants to run their
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  mouth, run it. You got to run it because you
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  got to prove it eventually. At least have an articulate
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  media member ask the question if you're going to do it.
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  You look like a goober. As soon as soon as when when
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  when your mark like contested him initially and then he like
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  softened. It was that was very cringe
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  worthy to watch. But anyway, a couple of other
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  things I want to mention in this specific to K State.
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  So with Avery Johnson, Coach Klein, Joe Jackson, Wesley Fair,
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  a lot of these guys were were at media days.
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  Wesley Fair even asked a question to to Colin Klein,
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  which was very funny. I want to dig into specifically
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  some of the things that Avery said.
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  That's that stood out to me through his interviews with KSO
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  as well as KCSN and and the three MA guys.
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  When it when when asked about which position or position group
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  or player he thought was overlooked, he he specifically
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  mentioned the offensive line. That really stood out to me as
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  one of the first things he said. He mentioned John Pastori being,
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  you know, all Big 12 pre season on that list.
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  He mentioned George Fitzpatrick and and didn't he said, I, I
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  can't get myself in trouble here.
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  I don't I don't know what I'm able to say or not able to say,
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  but he did mention that George Fitzpatrick looks like he's in a
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  in a good a good spot for the season, which is encouraging to
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  hear. And that he the other guy that
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  he mentioned was Dylan Villa Villa rule.
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  I'm going to mess up his name. But he was another guy that he
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  mentioned specifically as a guy that seems to have made some
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  significant strides heading into this season.
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  But with with offensive line being a big question mark
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  heading into this season, how reassured are you by Avery's
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  comments specifically mentioning that?
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  Do you think that's just, hey, when the media asks you about a
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  position group that's being overlooked because we get this
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  question every year answer offensive line, do you think
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  it's more of that or you think he's he's being sincere here and
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  that the offensive line maybe isn't as big of a question mark
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  as as we think it could be? I mean, I take a lot of it with
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  a grain of salt because her I remember being in Ireland at the
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  pep rally and hearing this is going to be the most explosive
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  offense what we've ever seen. That's true.
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  I I mean, I think there is some of it from a preparation
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  perspective. You're probably going to get
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  asked this question. You know, I, I'm sure there's
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  some preparation behind it. You know, offensive line, you
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  know, we've talked about it. You know, that is a group that
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  they've brought in new faces and it's having to be rebuilt.
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  And so if you think about, you know, on the offensive side, you
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  only have a handful of position groups you're going to be able
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  to even mention here. Is it reassuring?
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  I mean, it's good that he brought it up.
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  We're going to see Game 1. You know, if that's actually the
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  case. I just, you know, some of the
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  things that that really like pump up a lot about the team and
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  a lot like they're great as a fan to hear.
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  But for me, I, I historically like, I take a lot of it with a
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  grain of salt because if they're not pumping up their team,
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  that's a problem. If they're not pumping up, you
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  know. You know, specific groups on the
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  team, this and that. So, you know, obviously I hope
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  the offensive line, you know, with these new faces and and,
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  you know, hearing George Fitzpatrick, you know,
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  potentially, you know, could be out on the field, which would be
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  great. You know is is is awesome to
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  hear for sure, but I take a little bit with a a grain of
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  salt. I don't know, I, I, I think it's
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  as I'm fighting through this keyboard noise.
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  I mean, it's just absolutely crazy.
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  I mean, that is just rumbling in my ear.
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  I think the, the offensive line when, when they, when position
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  gets get brought up, it's two things.
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  Like Matt said, they could just be have focus points of like
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  where they think that they should be speaking because
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  they're not represented at the Big 12 media day.
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  But I also just in my heart of hearts believe that these guys
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  that they're practicing with every day, they have no reason
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  to lie. First of all, I don't think even
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  if even if they're bad, they're still buddies on the team,
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  they're going to pump them up like Matt said.
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  But we've also had instances where they're telling the truth.
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  Like no one knew who Austin Romain was until media days and
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  everybody brought him up. So if they're telling us that
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  Dylan Villarreal is the a stud and we've seen that he got time
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  as a true freshman last year, maybe he is a starting guard
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  potential, we don't know. But the when you hear these
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  names, these are the guys that I'm looking for now.
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  Now I'm going to be looking to see if who's going to crack that
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  too deep who and if they're mentioning multiple names, like
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  obviously Pastorius solidified left or right tackle for us,
• 21:57
  depending on who plays where, but he is an all all Big 12
• 22:01
  caliber talent. And then they're mentioning
• 22:04
  other names. That means there's depth to the
• 22:07
  online. I, I, I can't I'm not going to
• 22:09
  take it not at face value that these guys are just bombs and
• 22:12
  they're just trying to hype them up to bamboozle the fans for
• 22:16
  some reason. I don't know why they would want
• 22:17
  to do that. It's just maybe it is.
• 22:20
  Maybe it is coach speak through the players, but I I honestly
• 22:23
  think that they have no reason to say that.
• 22:25
  I mean, if they say who's the position?
• 22:29
  Leading questions are also the name of the game when it comes
• 22:33
  to these media days. The question isn't just like,
• 22:36
  hey, what do you think of the team?
• 22:37
  It's what position grew specifically.
• 22:39
  So they're going to have to say somebody.
• 22:41
  They're not going to say nobody like Matt said.
• 22:43
  So I, I'm, I'm going to take it at face value and say, hey, I
• 22:47
  think our offensive line has some contenders for starters and
• 22:50
  that's why they are mentioned. Yeah, I thought it was an
• 22:55
  interesting comment no matter what.
• 22:57
  OK, looking at a couple of other comments that I had, then we'll
• 23:00
  get into the the power rankings. He was asked about last year
• 23:05
  versus this year and in spring ball specifically where his
• 23:09
  mindset is and and where the team's mindset is in comparison
• 23:12
  to last year. And one of the specific things
• 23:15
  he said was we last year had a me, me, me mindset.
• 23:19
  Some of the guys on the team had a me, me, me mindset and what
• 23:22
  that led to. He almost made it sound like
• 23:25
  there are too many individuals, not enough guys playing for the
• 23:30
  team and playing for K State and the the name on the front of the
• 23:33
  chest, if you will. And I immediately thought of
• 23:36
  Dylan Edwards maybe in Austin Romaine, if he, you know, went
• 23:39
  to go get his bag. Some of the guys that maybe got
• 23:41
  money with by by some of the other programs out there.
• 23:44
  But that said a lot to me of just the difference in mentality
• 23:48
  and what's being talked about from the top down.
• 23:51
  Coach Klein has made it very clear that he wants guys who are
• 23:56
  physical, who have an intensity about them, who are here to
• 23:59
  compete and not compete about, you know, just for them or just
• 24:02
  to get some money. And that's applying to
• 24:05
  recruiting as well. But when you hear that
• 24:08
  difference, when specifically asked about the difference of
• 24:10
  last year and this year and Avery's responses, me, me, me
• 24:13
  too many individuals, what is what does that tell you about
• 24:15
  last year and how does that make you feel about this upcoming
• 24:20
  season? I mean, I'll take this.
• 24:25
  So we obviously saw that there was potential and talent on the
• 24:31
  team last year. We all thought that there was a
• 24:34
  a potential contender for the Big 12 title.
• 24:37
  And then to go six and six says a lot.
• 24:39
  So where where does that fall apart?
• 24:41
  It has to fall apart of the team because I don't think we lost a
• 24:44
  lot of games that we were in and it just we just didn't have
• 24:49
  enough and I maybe we should have saw this coming from the
• 24:52
  army game. That's a team and a game where
• 24:55
  if you're not bought in for the game plan and the team, you're
• 24:58
  going to get pushed around with the wishbone like like we did,
• 25:03
  like we saw. So I could see where the the me,
• 25:06
  me, me mindset come from. And obviously there's some
• 25:08
  players that come to mind and some that got pushed out that we
• 25:12
  thought that, you know, maybe had a chance to be on the team
• 25:16
  this season. Man, I really, I'm really hoping
• 25:21
  that you can take it at face value, just like the position
• 25:23
  group thing, but you know that that is the quintessential coach
• 25:28
  speak. So I I'm going to say, hey, like
• 25:32
  I'm going to believe that this team is more bought in together.
• 25:35
  Maybe they're not as talented as the previous season or the
• 25:39
  previous season before that when we're, you know, picked to win
• 25:42
  the Big 12. But man, I'm, I'm just going to,
• 25:46
  I'm going to say that this is a going to be a bought in team.
• 25:48
  And maybe we, because you know, potentially we're in betting
• 25:53
  odds, we're the 4th best team in the Big 12 by betting odds
• 25:56
  standards. But I would love to grind out,
• 25:59
  you know, nine wins. I would love to grind out nine
• 26:02
  wins and maybe go for a little bit more if, if the momentum
• 26:06
  from a team is there. So I, I, I'm going to take it at
• 26:10
  face value, man, I'm Avery Johnson is maybe he's got a
• 26:14
  future in coaching. I don't know.
• 26:18
  Interesting. Yeah, I, you know, some of the
• 26:20
  comments were very interesting, you know, talking about, you
• 26:24
  know, some of the things that happened last year.
• 26:27
  You know, again, I go back to kind of what I said a little bit
• 26:30
  ago. I take, I just take a lot of it
• 26:32
  with a grain of salt. And, you know, the biggest thing
• 26:37
  this year, I think for me is what does the product look like
• 26:43
  on the field early on? And that's going to really give
• 26:47
  you a little bit of the an idea of what the mindset maybe has
• 26:51
  been since the spring and what they're trying to build and
• 26:55
  achieve, because this could be a team right now that does look
• 26:59
  very good. The culture is different.
• 27:01
  You know, the mindset is a lot more positive with what the
• 27:06
  season's going to bring. But when you truly get the the
• 27:09
  team out there and you're competing, that's where you're
• 27:12
  really going to see, you know, maybe how some of those
• 27:15
  comments, you know, are actually looking.
• 27:17
  So I, I did like, you know, a particular comment that I heard
• 27:22
  about Avery and kind of thinking about last year and, you know,
• 27:25
  even the year before, you know, potentially the opportunity to
• 27:29
  be doing more running, maybe getting back a little bit to
• 27:33
  some of, you know, the stuff that he was doing freshman year,
• 27:36
  which is a little bit more, you know, instinct based.
• 27:41
  So that is the type of stuff that, you know, some of those
• 27:43
  comments where I think we all kind of expected some of those
• 27:48
  comments to come because Avery Johnson decided to stay when
• 27:52
  Colin Klein became the coach of hey, you know, bringing some of
• 27:56
  that mindset from three years ago when he was the offensive
• 27:59
  coordinator here. But I my mindset for the season
• 28:04
  hasn't necessarily changed. Maybe it will as it gets closer
• 28:07
  to the fall. You said nine wins.
• 28:09
  I'm like, if this, you know, if you have a first time head
• 28:12
  coach, you are rebuilding basically you're a good portion
• 28:16
  of your defense. You know, the offense, you're
• 28:20
  putting your own, you know, kind of fingerprint on the offense.
• 28:24
  I think eight wins. I mean, I I think eight wins.
• 28:27
  You know, this is a team that, yes, should be going to a bowl
• 28:29
  game. You know what, I'd be
• 28:31
  disappointed with six and six probably.
• 28:34
  But, you know, I think this is a team that can go 8 and 4.
• 28:38
  You know, nine wins, I think is a totally inappropriate, you
• 28:40
  know, number that you said because there's just so much
• 28:45
  change. It it's mostly the nine win
• 28:49
  number for me. Obviously Vegas, they put out
• 28:53
  their numbers and I think they have a mindset of who are we
• 28:57
  going against on this schedule? Realistically, we should mop the
• 29:02
  mop the floor with the out of conference.
• 29:05
  It's it's not set up like last year where you've got some
• 29:09
  tricky teams that do some funky things on a funky time of day
• 29:13
  after a funky travel schedule. It's not that.
• 29:16
  So you got a just a run-of-the-mill non con where
• 29:20
  you should win those games at home.
• 29:24
  Just the schedule is what it is and that's where you don't face
• 29:28
  the best teams in the Big 12. You have to be able to do
• 29:32
  something with that, even if it is a first time coach, a guy
• 29:35
  that's comfortable here, that has been here before should be
• 29:39
  able to do that and he should know the ropes.
• 29:42
  It's not like he's traveling out to some university that he's
• 29:45
  never coached at before. He know he's, he's integrated
• 29:48
  into this community, into this college and it, it, it should
• 29:52
  run smoothly in my opinion. That's just how it that's how it
• 29:55
  should go. Yeah, yeah, the last, the last
• 29:59
  couple of things, I'll I'll share it.
• 30:01
  Just talking about another position group, he said this is
• 30:04
  the deepest wide receiver core he's had since he's been here.
• 30:07
  I feel like we've had this song and dance in the past.
• 30:10
  I'm, I'm not going to take too much with this, but the one
• 30:12
  thing he did say that stood out to me was Brandon White is the
• 30:16
  guy he mentioned as the hardest one-on-one guy to defend
• 30:20
  according to how he saw things from spring practice from the QB
• 30:23
  position. Yeah, that what are your
• 30:26
  thoughts? What, what do you think the
• 30:27
  ceiling for Brandon White is this year?
• 30:28
  Is he what, what, what would you, what would your comp be to
• 30:32
  a guy that we've had in recently?
• 30:34
  Recently, I recently I mean Phillip Brooks is what come to
• 30:42
  mind maybe a little bit God, Phillip Brooks was explosive.
• 30:48
  I'll I'll say that he was more consistent when he was on the
• 30:51
  receiving end of things, not so much when it on special teams.
• 30:57
  He was an absolute animal. He was explosive there.
• 30:59
  But as a receiver, I feel like he was just kind of in and out,
• 31:04
  just kind of catches the balls around the nine, you know, 9
• 31:06
  yards deep and maybe get 11. But I feel like Brandon White,
• 31:11
  he's so little. And if you look at his tape, I
• 31:15
  mean, it's just run nine. It's just go straight and just
• 31:19
  outrun everybody. But if he can, you know, develop
• 31:22
  some routes where he's in and out of the defense, it's hard to
• 31:25
  guard somebody that's fast and that's 58.
• 31:28
  It's hard because you're you're used to playing guys that are
• 31:31
  626636, you know, somewhere around that 6 foot range where
• 31:36
  you're adequate size and the disparity to get the the hands
• 31:40
  on them. Somebody that's 58, that's
• 31:43
  shifty and that can run that's that's could be dangerous, but
• 31:47
  he is little. So you got to, you have to take
• 31:49
  into account that maybe he does get swallowed up.
• 31:52
  But you know, it's I would say Phillip Brooks is what come to
• 31:56
  mind. Maybe.
• 31:59
  What's the one? What's the one kid that damn why
• 32:03
  am I blanking on the receiver that was with Tyler and he had
• 32:12
  the one Juke move. Brandon Brandon Banks.
• 32:16
  Brandon Banks? No, no, not Brandon Banks.
• 32:18
  What was the Thompson Tremaine Thompson, that's what I that's
• 32:24
  all the other one that I could think of.
• 32:26
  Tremaine Thompson. Brandon Banks is actually a
• 32:27
  really good comp too. But Brandon Banks weighed 107
• 32:31
  lbs so I don't know. Let me look at this guy's size.
• 32:36
  How big are you, fella? He can't.
• 32:38
  I know he's short. I don't know if he's little
• 32:40
  though. Oh, he did.
• 32:44
  You're saying he could be stout? In short, he could be.
• 32:48
  I don't think as a wide receiver that's.
• 32:49
  I mean, I like when I think of Stout, I think not like he's not
• 32:53
  fat, but like how Tyreek Hill is built because that's usually how
• 32:56
  those short, fast guys are built, Is there?
• 32:58
  It's literally a ball of muscle that just twitch.
• 33:01
  Let's look it up though. He's got to wear a small number
• 33:04
  though, right? OK, what?
• 33:06
  Number Is he wearing all? Right, I'll give you that.
• 33:09
  That ain't him. That ain't him.
• 33:11
  Oh, there he is. 5, seven, 168 lbs.
• 33:13
  He ain't stout. That's a little fella.
• 33:16
  Yeah, yeah. He's from Archbishop Mohler.
• 33:19
  Shout out to Cincinnati. OH, let's go.
• 33:22
  How the hell did he get to? How did he get to Hawaii?
• 33:25
  All right on on that. Note oh, he's at the University
• 33:28
  of Kentucky first, OK. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right,
• 33:31
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  beef for your money. All right head coaching power
• 35:03
  rankings, we're going to get into it it's going to be fun I'm
• 35:06
  excited to do this let's get it so to start, I'm going to share
• 35:11
  what we had last year and I'm going to share this it's.
• 35:15
  Going to be. Embarrassing.
• 35:17
  This box on my screen. It's not good.
• 35:20
  It's not great. Here's our power ranking from
• 35:23
  last year, gentlemen. OK.
• 35:26
  We had Lyman at #1 Campbell at 2, Dillingham at 3.
• 35:32
  Kalani Sataki. Yeah, two of the four.
• 35:34
  Three of those are no longer with their schools.
• 35:36
  Kalani Sataki at 4. Kyle Whittingham at 5, also no
• 35:40
  longer with his school. Number six, number six, Mike
• 35:43
  Gundy got fired #7 Dion Sanders went 3:00 and 9:00 last year,
• 35:48
  tied for eight. Sunny Dykes and Dave Aranda,
• 35:51
  probably still not too different from where it is this year.
• 35:55
  Joey McGuire at 10th before he had his dream season this year,
• 36:01
  Lance lipold #11, Rich Rod at 12, Willie Fritz at 13, Scott
• 36:06
  Satterfield at 14 and Brent Brennan at 15.
• 36:09
  And rounding it out, the banner is hiding it.
• 36:11
  Scott Frost at unanimous 16th. Last year, I think he was the
• 36:16
  only unanimous pick we had going into this season.
• 36:21
  Well, I guess first thoughts on the previous year's ranking and
• 36:25
  where things landed in aggregate for us.
• 36:27
  We suck. I know those.
• 36:30
  I know those. I know those Houston burners are
• 36:33
  on our hands. They were getting on as bad.
• 36:37
  The saxophones are getting louder, as they say.
• 36:40
  They were justified. I tell you what.
• 36:43
  We got to eat some crow on that if they still remember us.
• 36:47
  Yeah, we were very wrong. We were very wrong on some of
• 36:49
  that. I, I still stand by Scott Ross
• 36:52
  and Scott Satterfield not being ranked very highly.
• 36:54
  I stand by Kleiman and Campbell and Dillingham all being ranked
• 36:59
  highly, although Kleinman had a rough season last year, Matt
• 37:02
  Campbell was good enough to get a job at Penn State and Kyle
• 37:07
  Winningham's now the head coach of Michigan.
• 37:09
  So it's just, it's funny seeing where some of these guys landed
• 37:12
  and how we ranked power rankings last year.
• 37:16
  This year it's, it's interesting.
• 37:18
  I, I think we had some interesting perspectives on, on
• 37:22
  each of these. But for, for this year, what I'm
• 37:24
  going to do is I'm going to start with like the bottom 4IN
• 37:27
  aggregate and then each of us can talk about where we ranked
• 37:31
  each of these guys. So in aggregate, rounding out
• 37:35
  the bottom here, Scott Frost, yet again, 16th place out of 16
• 37:40
  coming off of a four and eight season at UCF.
• 37:43
  He is. He was not unanimously 16th of
• 37:46
  this year. One of us had him ranked 15th.
• 37:50
  So mad because you're mad because you're the only one that
• 37:53
  ranks Scott Frost higher than 16th.
• 37:55
  And we won't spoil who you had at 16th, but why?
• 37:59
  Why Scott Frost at 15? And not 16 or yeah, I mean, I
• 38:09
  that's, I feel like that's gonna ruin my 16.
• 38:11
  I mean, I don't, I think he's his tier in the conference.
• 38:16
  Coaching is is low in the Big 12.
• 38:19
  I guess we need to guess what we need to do is is explain what
• 38:24
  the rankings mean like. To us, like what's?
• 38:29
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:30
  So I mean, I would think there there's two, I guess there's
• 38:33
  multiple ways to look at it, but I think you think this is the
• 38:37
  worst coach in the Big 12 or you think that they've they've
• 38:42
  accomplished the least in the Big 12.
• 38:47
  Yeah, that's that's good. I look at it more of I look at
• 38:51
  accomplishments, maybe not necessarily who's accomplished
• 38:57
  the least in the Big 12, but I look at it from a career
• 39:00
  perspective. Yeah, that's how I took my
• 39:05
  rankings, I and. I guess you could also look at
• 39:09
  that as a projection is that's kind of where I'm at because
• 39:12
  when I merged the two things together, it kind of comes out
• 39:16
  looking like a projection, not necessarily where I think
• 39:19
  they're going to finish this year, but overall in their
• 39:23
  career where they're at amongst the peers of 16, if that makes
• 39:30
  sense. OK.
• 39:31
  That's where I that's kind of where I got my rankings at.
• 39:34
  OK, so I took AI took a data drift approach similar to last
• 39:40
  year, but I I guess I'll show I'll show this other screen that
• 39:44
  I've got here boy, just just to share the method behind the
• 39:49
  madness of why I why I did what I did numbers if I pull up,
• 39:55
  yeah, the numbers are kind of boring though, but I'll just
• 39:57
  share. I'll just share what I did so
• 39:59
  the people, so the people know what I did, but it's a little
• 40:01
  bit. Of a right here.
• 40:03
  What? How is this?
• 40:05
  So think about, think about this, think about this.
• 40:08
  So I've got I've got every career win loss for for every
• 40:13
  level of football that you've coached, career win percentage,
• 40:16
  FBS record, your FBS win percentage and then your school
• 40:20
  win percentage. Then I take into account
• 40:22
  recency. So I've got your last three
• 40:23
  years trailing. I've got what you did last year.
• 40:27
  I've got have you, did you make a bowl game last year?
• 40:29
  Did you win your bowl game last year?
• 40:31
  Have you made a power conference title game?
• 40:34
  Have you won a power conference title?
• 40:36
  Did you make a New Year's 6? Did you make a CFPI?
• 40:39
  Got all this stuff on here. Our including your mole record.
• 40:42
  So are they in order of like what?
• 40:46
  Like what most important from left to right?
• 40:49
  No, no, this is just I just got all the stats on here.
• 40:52
  And then my last one here is I've got a vibe meter on a scale
• 40:55
  of 0 to 5. Where you at on the vibe meter?
• 40:59
  So because like as a a coach, like Colin Klein and Eric
• 41:02
  Morris, they may not have a tremendous history or track
• 41:05
  record as a head coach. Or if you're Morgan Scally, you
• 41:07
  have one win all time as a head coach, which throws all the data
• 41:11
  off. So I've got, I've got all of
• 41:14
  this waited out and averaged out.
• 41:17
  And that's how I came up with my baseline for where everybody
• 41:21
  should be ranked. And then I had, I took some
• 41:23
  liberty with where I ranked everybody.
• 41:24
  But I, I put a lot of thought and effort into this.
• 41:28
  So, you know, if you hate my ranking, you can, you can hate
• 41:32
  my ranking. That's.
• 41:32
  OK, no one hates that. I I love the overkill.
• 41:35
  I absolutely love that. I had most of the data already
• 41:39
  because last year, but I just had to update some numbers to to
• 41:42
  be this year to include it. But yeah, OK, so the bottom, the
• 41:46
  bottom 4 here. But yeah, I, I take that
• 41:48
  approach. I took the data-driven approach
• 41:50
  with some additional bias thrown in and, and my vibe meter from
• 41:55
  zero to five of of how high are the vibes for this coach among
• 41:58
  their fanbase based on the sentiment I've seen online.
• 42:01
  So Colin Klein is a 5 out of five on the vibe meter.
• 42:05
  Yeah, the vibe, the vibe meter definitely is going to skew in
• 42:08
  the favor of the, you know, the purple that we wear.
• 42:13
  I require 5 out of five on the vibe meter.
• 42:16
  My ranking is very similar to the aggregate.
• 42:18
  I just have Dave Veranda, I think over Rich Rod.
• 42:23
  I think for me, Dave Veranda, he's not old.
• 42:29
  That's also that's also if I don't know if age was a factor
• 42:33
  into your data analytics, but age is important to me.
• 42:36
  I think Dave Aranda, he's battled off of the hot seat
• 42:40
  multiple times. So I've got him there and he can
• 42:43
  recruit a little bit. I think he he he took a flyer on
• 42:47
  DJ Lagway, which is, you know, his his final hail, Hail Mary of
• 42:53
  trying to get off of the blistering hot seat in Waco.
• 42:56
  So I've got Dave Aranda over Rich, Rod Deion Sanders bad,
• 43:01
  Scott Frost even worse. So yes, that's where I'm.
• 43:04
  At you had you had Dave Aranda higher than anybody else.
• 43:07
  Matt, what was your justification for ranking Dave
• 43:09
  Aranda at 11th? Yeah, he's won a Big 12
• 43:12
  championship. I got that.
• 43:14
  I look at that is a an accomplishment.
• 43:17
  I look at who has accomplished what and you know, he's had a
• 43:22
  few poor seasons, you know, obviously, but I think the
• 43:28
  people that I picked after him have not had those
• 43:32
  accomplishments of winning a big like winning a conference
• 43:35
  championship. I mean, you know, I So for me
• 43:38
  that is why I valued. Him.
• 43:42
  I mean, I had him at 11. It's not like I had him at 4:00.
• 43:45
  It's I had him at 11. Yeah.
• 43:47
  But can we talk about who you have at 16 though?
• 43:50
  Because that one is the the widest variant of all of us.
• 43:53
  Who do you have? We're we'll, we'll get there.
• 43:56
  We'll get there because he's he's up here on the list before
• 44:00
  before we get to that, before we get to the next 4 because I
• 44:03
  think he'll hold on. Will he fall into the he'll fall
• 44:06
  into the next 4 here, but Rich Rich Rodriguez Dave Aranda,
• 44:11
  Deion Sanders Scott Frost we Scott Frost is self-explanatory.
• 44:15
  Dion really rough season last year, really rough season his
• 44:20
  first year. The only time he's had a bull
• 44:23
  berth even was the year that Travis Hunter won the Heisman
• 44:27
  Trophy. They went nine and three that
• 44:29
  year. So he's really heavily weighted
• 44:32
  down on my rankings just because of the low amount of win
• 44:36
  percentage, low amount of bowl win percentage.
• 44:39
  Hasn't really done a whole lot else outside of that that 2024
• 44:43
  season. So he's he's low, but I've got
• 44:46
  him relatively high on the vibe meter because the vibes in
• 44:50
  Boulder are ridiculously high right now.
• 44:52
  And I don't really understand why.
• 44:53
  But their fans are incredibly excited still because of the
• 44:57
  some of the coaching changes that happened there, because of
• 44:59
  the portal guys that they got. They got that Danny Skadero guy
• 45:02
  from San Jose State or whatever who's I think LED FBS in
• 45:07
  receiving yards last year. So they're very excited.
• 45:10
  So again, not my bias, it's just what the numbers told me.
• 45:14
  Don't argue with the numbers. I've got Dionne at 13th though,
• 45:18
  so he's not all that much higher than where you all had him.
• 45:22
  And then Dave Aranda, I just, yes, he has won a Big 12
• 45:26
  championship. I had him.
• 45:28
  We had him in aggregate tied for 8th last year with Sonny Dykes.
• 45:31
  He didn't do much to help his case.
• 45:33
  I don't think he went five and seven.
• 45:35
  He missed a bowl game last year. He was, for all intents and
• 45:39
  purposes, probably going to be fired if his AD didn't get into
• 45:42
  a scandal on in his own right with, you know, that's just par
• 45:46
  for the course with Baylor in general when it comes to to
• 45:50
  anything in their athletics department.
• 45:52
  There's always going to be a scandal.
• 45:53
  So I think Dave Aranda when taking the hot seat and the the
• 45:58
  bad vibes into account, he's pretty low on the totem pole for
• 46:01
  me. So I've got him ranked 15th
• 46:02
  overall, which weighed down where Matt had him in his
• 46:06
  rankings. And then Rich Rod.
• 46:07
  I just don't know what we've seen enough yet in this Rich
• 46:10
  Rod, 2 point O similar to Scott Frost.
• 46:13
  Yes, he did a lot in his first stint there, but they went four
• 46:16
  and eight last year. He turned over his entire
• 46:19
  roster. We don't know what that team is
• 46:21
  going to look like this year. It's going to be very weird.
• 46:23
  So will he be able to bounce back and bring things back to
• 46:26
  where, you know, country roads were back in 2006 and seven
• 46:32
  before he jumped ship and went to Michigan?
• 46:34
  That I don't know. We'll see, but OK, any other
• 46:38
  thoughts on the bottom 4 here? So Colin Klein comes in at #12,
• 46:45
  Scott Satterfield at 11, Jimmy Rogers at #10 and Lance Leipold
• 46:49
  at #9. Colin Klein is who Matt had
• 46:53
  ranked 16th. He took the Brett Macburth,
• 46:55
  Brett Mcmurphy approach and he got a lot of criticism from
• 46:59
  those of us in Purple about that ranking.
• 47:01
  So, Matt, defend yourself. I mean, I don't know, I think
• 47:06
  it's easy for me to put him there because if you, The thing
• 47:11
  is at least how I kind of did these rankings, if you take the
• 47:16
  name out of the equation and you look at the career he is I, I
• 47:23
  mean, he, his accolade, he's he's young, right?
• 47:27
  Like you take the playing out of the equation.
• 47:30
  His accolades are as an offensive coordinator.
• 47:33
  You won a Big 12 championship. Pretty good.
• 47:36
  Which is pretty good. Not as a head coach and as an
• 47:40
  offensive coordinator. He went to the College Football
• 47:43
  Playoff. That's pretty good.
• 47:45
  Which is fine, that's pretty good.
• 47:46
  I, I don't disagree with that, but from an accomplishment
• 47:50
  perspective, I, if I'm ranking head coaches and they're
• 47:56
  accolades for me, I put him at 16.
• 48:02
  I'm, I, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I think putting him ahead of
• 48:10
  other coaches, this is my opinion is unfair because he has
• 48:17
  not been a head coach and his career as an offensive
• 48:21
  coordinator is how many years? 5 Like he's had five years as an
• 48:25
  offensive coordinator. Again, like accolades as an
• 48:29
  offensive coordinator, like that's great, this and that.
• 48:33
  I, if how I look at it is OK, these are the statistics.
• 48:38
  These are the accolades of all these coaches.
• 48:41
  I'm taking the names out of the equation.
• 48:43
  If you look at his accolades, I think he's 16th.
• 48:48
  I don't think there's any chance in hell that that's a valid
• 48:52
  reason to put him at 16. There's no way one because even
• 48:57
  at 0 and 0 at is a head coaching rank.
• 49:01
  Let's say he wins at Nichols. He's one and O isn't that where?
• 49:06
  Where is that? Who's the dude that's taken over
• 49:09
  at Morgan Scally? Yeah.
• 49:13
  Morgan Scally is 1 and O. So you're saying that Colin
• 49:18
  Klein's career, he can take a jump of three on your rankings
• 49:23
  just by beating Nichols? And you and you have Scally
• 49:26
  ranked ahead. I have you. 2 head coaches
• 49:29
  sitting head coaches with more than one win.
• 49:32
  So by your logic, shouldn't he be behind Dion?
• 49:35
  And Morgan Scally? Morgan Scally has been a
• 49:38
  defensive coordinator at Utah for how many years?
• 49:41
  14 years. OK.
• 49:42
  He's been and won how many Rose Bowls?
• 49:45
  Two or three Rose Bowls. I think like 4 PAC 12
• 49:48
  championships, yes. I look at that like I think I, I
• 49:53
  have him at 13 and somehow you, you individuals have him at six
• 49:57
  and eight like. I have him at 8.
• 50:00
  I think he's going. Like I said, this is a
• 50:02
  projection for me, OK? This is a projection.
• 50:05
  That is why you can't say, oh, I can disagree wholeheartedly with
• 50:09
  Colin Klein 16 because you are. You take this ranking.
• 50:13
  But your logic, your logic was that he he hasn't done it as a a
• 50:18
  head coach. That's the reason why he's got
• 50:23
  but I've got I've got Scott Frost who was a bomb at he was a
• 50:28
  bomb. He won at Nebraska at.
• 50:31
  UCF in his first stint, he won a BCS bowl.
• 50:33
  Right, that was that was a completely.
• 50:35
  Different year ago, no that. You can't you.
• 50:39
  Why can't I? Like I, you can't say, oh, yes,
• 50:44
  that's a completely different era of football because we have
• 50:46
  coaches in here that you are going to be using their
• 50:48
  accolades from potentially that era of football to determine
• 50:52
  their ranking. Like, yeah, I have Scott Frost
• 50:55
  at 15 and I look at it as a head coach as he's been a head coach.
• 51:00
  These are the accolades that he had.
• 51:01
  He. Can say he's. 15 that's that's
• 51:03
  incorrect. Like you, you can't just pick
• 51:06
  and choose. Oh, like these are we We only
• 51:11
  you know. Count.
• 51:12
  I've seen what he's done as a as a head coach in recent memory.
• 51:18
  I I mean, I still I think and again you are looking at this as
• 51:23
  a projection and if I there. Has to be some.
• 51:26
  There has to be some in there. Because if, let's say, let's say
• 51:29
  the whole, let's say, for instance, six of six of the 16
• 51:35
  teams in the Big 12 flipped over to new OC coordinators as their
• 51:41
  head coach, those would be your bottom no matter what.
• 51:45
  Most likely yes. Like if their first time head
• 51:48
  possible no. I, I mean, if he if, OK, let's
• 51:51
  say, let's say Joey McGuire leaves for the NFL.
• 51:56
  But, and this is Texas Tech loaded up with all the money,
• 52:00
  all the financials, and they hired the hottest OC in the, the
• 52:04
  country. Obviously you obviously this is
• 52:07
  a bad example because Morgan Scali's been an old man that,
• 52:11
  you know, coached at Utah for 100 years and and you've got him
• 52:16
  13 off of 1 win as a interim head coach.
• 52:20
  So I guess, I guess if, if you hired the hottest OC in the
• 52:25
  country that has two national championships and, you know, a
• 52:30
  couple conference titles and they took over the best program
• 52:33
  in the, in the Big 12, you'd have them what, top five?
• 52:39
  No. But why not?
• 52:41
  You've got you've got him over 2 head coaches and that's just
• 52:44
  ADC. That's, you know, never made the
• 52:46
  playoffs, never done any of that stuff.
• 52:49
  And we let me just let me. Just.
• 52:51
  I just define something real quick.
• 52:53
  Let's let's look up the definition of a power ranking.
• 52:57
  A power ranking is a subjective or data-driven, in my case,
• 53:01
  data-driven assessment used to evaluate teams or players or
• 53:05
  coaches based on their current competitive strength, current
• 53:09
  competitive strength, recent performance and momentum rather
• 53:13
  than their absolute win loss records.
• 53:16
  And that's I like I that's fine. I mean, I am not looking at
• 53:20
  recent win loss records because you look at some of my ranking
• 53:25
  like that would not necessarily be indicative of that.
• 53:27
  I'm looking at as a head coach, like this is how I would power
• 53:33
  rank head coaches in the Big 12. I look at, you know, I look at
• 53:37
  head coaching experience. I look at accolades as a head
• 53:40
  coach. I just noticed that you have.
• 53:42
  Oh well, we haven't got there, but yet you're #7 you're with
• 53:47
  us. How is this possible?
• 53:52
  I mean, I so like I'm not I'm not beating around the Bush by
• 53:56
  saying like, again, if I went and looked and did not have
• 54:01
  names on the accolades for these coaches and I look at pure, this
• 54:06
  is what their career has been as a head coach.
• 54:09
  This that is why I put him at 16.
• 54:12
  Like that does not mean that I don't think, you know, after one
• 54:16
  year he is like is going to be better than that.
• 54:21
  I mean, I I don't know. I just.
• 54:23
  Take. I think it's unfair.
• 54:25
  I, I look at, you know, I think putting him in a higher realm,
• 54:32
  people are doing that because he has tizer case state.
• 54:36
  He has had a lot of ties in case state.
• 54:39
  I think I think he's like he is one of the hottest OCS was on
• 54:45
  the hottest 1 of the hottest OCS on the market I.
• 54:49
  Think 10:00 and 2:10 and 2:00 last year with the CFP
• 54:52
  appearance. And I, I think, I think you take
• 54:55
  that momentum and you look forward to what he's done so far
• 55:00
  with his roster. I think there's a lot of that
• 55:02
  goes into power rating, ranking your Big 12 just because that's
• 55:06
  reason why I have David Randa. I think he's he's been bad in in
• 55:13
  some instances, but he has the momentum of getting off of the
• 55:17
  hot seat and he's proven that he can do that.
• 55:20
  Now. I want to, I don't want to throw
• 55:21
  1 hypothetical and I'll leave Colin Klein out of this and
• 55:25
  leave Matt alone because I for other than this, I really don't
• 55:28
  disagree with his rankings all that much.
• 55:33
  You, you said that the reason why you have Eric Morris where
• 55:37
  you have him is because he proved whatever he did, he's,
• 55:40
  he's not really been that good outside of one season at North
• 55:44
  Texas. But let's say you did not.
• 55:49
  Talk about Eric Morris at all. But.
• 55:50
  Not yet, not yet, but we have him.
• 55:52
  You have him ranked in the exact same spot that you have with us.
• 55:57
  Let's let's rewind the clock. Let's say we were doing this
• 56:00
  podcast in 2018. Our boy Chris Kleiman is
• 56:10
  entering the Big 12 with national championships on his
• 56:14
  resume. Are you putting him at 16?
• 56:18
  Why no again? Because he has, he is a head
• 56:22
  coach and he has won national champions championships in the
• 56:26
  FCS level. I mean, I like head.
• 56:32
  Like I look at head coaching. Football is football to you.
• 56:36
  That is what you're saying, Yeah.
• 56:37
  I love it. I love it.
• 56:40
  So I mean, it, look it my me putting him at 16, it people
• 56:48
  will disagree and I respect like I respect looking at how people
• 56:54
  will look at a power ranking. Like I respect how people would
• 56:57
  put together 16. And you put Colin Klein higher
• 57:01
  based off of the potential that he's shown this and that.
• 57:05
  And that's fine. I, that's not necessarily how I
• 57:07
  look at it. I look at it from just from an
• 57:09
  accolade perspective and going from kind of top to bottom.
• 57:13
  This is how I see that so. He's moving up throughout the
• 57:17
  season for you. There's a high if he's not for.
• 57:21
  Four. No, he's he's not.
• 57:23
  Moving up, then that's a problem, but.
• 57:26
  Obviously, yeah, he can't go down.
• 57:28
  He. Would almost agree with that.
• 57:31
  But at at July, whatever date it is today, this is how I would
• 57:37
  see it. And there's a high potential
• 57:39
  that it would change if we get into October and you know,
• 57:42
  things adjust. But this is how I love it.
• 57:45
  I see it today all. Right, All right, so with with
• 57:48
  that, we've got Klein, Satterfield, Rogers, Leipold
• 57:51
  from 12:00 to 9:00. Thoughts on Satterfield here?
• 57:55
  We, we, he had a little bit of a bounce back last year, although
• 57:58
  he had a relatively weak schedule in the Big 12 last
• 58:02
  year, we had him ranked at 14th. It wasn't unanimous, but I think
• 58:06
  it was close. Thoughts on Amar Satterfield
• 58:09
  landed here. I think we all had him within
• 58:11
  three spots and and all all of us had him between 9:00 and
• 58:14
  12:00. So I think that he's pretty
• 58:16
  appropriately ranked. I think I had him the highest.
• 58:19
  I think he's been able to prove that he's, you know, he's a mid
• 58:24
  tier coach. He's mid.
• 58:25
  He's going to get you about 500 every year.
• 58:29
  Now he has to be able to prove that he can retain his best
• 58:33
  players and he obviously wasn't able to do that this past
• 58:37
  season. We can, let's see what he can do
• 58:41
  going into another season with a new quarterback.
• 58:44
  It's going to it's going to be a tall task and I could see him
• 58:48
  falling down my rankings. But as of right now, I think
• 58:51
  he's a 500 coach and if you can keep about 500, you're going to
• 58:55
  stay out of the bottom 4 for me, out of the bottom six really.
• 59:00
  Yeah, I don't know. I I don't really care about him,
• 59:04
  so I just kind of put his name down.
• 59:08
  No, I really wanted to put him lower but.
• 59:14
  I couldn't, but you couldn't. Had Colin Klein there.
• 59:17
  So Jim, Jimmy Rogers, Matt and I both had him in 10th.
• 59:22
  Chef you had you had him in 12th.
• 59:25
  I don't know him. I don't know, Like you don't
• 59:28
  care about Scott Satterfield. I literally don't know Jimmy
• 59:31
  Rodgers. I thought that.
• 59:32
  Rodgers has won a national championship as a head coach.
• 59:35
  He. Had.
• 59:36
  He should be number. He should be #5 for you.
• 59:41
  Jimmy Rodgers. I thought that was a country
• 59:45
  singer. That's Kenny Rogers.
• 59:48
  And it's like the sausage guy with the country singer.
• 59:53
  Jimmy Dillingham and Kenny Rogers.
• 59:55
  The sauce? Jimmy Dean.
• 59:57
  Yeah. Jimmy Dean.
• 59:59
  Oh. My God.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah, so, so Jimmy, I have Jimmy at 10th again, just looking at
• 1:00:07
  his track record, he feels like he fits into this kind of 9th to
• 1:00:11
  12th if we're looking at power rankings.
• 1:00:13
  I mean, he's coming off of a dismal season. 6 and 6 is not
• 1:00:16
  great by any means. If he left his team prior to
• 1:00:19
  getting a bowl victory, which that Washington State team did
• 1:00:22
  do, I didn't count that in my data 'cause he wasn't coaching
• 1:00:25
  the team at that time. So that doesn't count.
• 1:00:27
  So, yeah, he's, he was six and six last year, but had a great
• 1:00:30
  track record. Barry Kleimanesque for those
• 1:00:33
  couple of seasons he was at South Dakota State, I guess
• 1:00:36
  winning one national championship, but not 7.
• 1:00:39
  So I'll, I'll give him at least one of those.
• 1:00:40
  But he's, he's kind of a weird guy.
• 1:00:43
  I didn't really know where to rank him on the vibe meter
• 1:00:46
  'cause I haven't seen a ton of excitement from Iowa State.
• 1:00:51
  I, I haven't, I haven't seen a ton of excitement from Iowa
• 1:00:54
  State fans for him. The the whole Jamie Pollard
• 1:00:58
  reached out to him, you know, ahead of while he was coaching
• 1:01:03
  at South Dakota State that that all was very weird to me.
• 1:01:06
  So I ranked him. I went ahead and gave him the
• 1:01:08
  benefit of the doubt. I just I ranked him at like
• 1:01:10
  middle of the pack, like 2 1/2 three for the vibe meter.
• 1:01:14
  He's not bad, but not great. But I don't know.
• 1:01:17
  Lance light pole comes in at 9th on this list.
• 1:01:21
  He's coming off of again missing a bowl game.
• 1:01:25
  He went five and seven last year.
• 1:01:27
  We had him ranked at 11th last year.
• 1:01:29
  So he actually moved up after a 5 and seven season.
• 1:01:32
  So I don't know what that means for this year's rankings and the
• 1:01:35
  coaches we have in here, but I had I had Lance at 12th.
• 1:01:40
  Chef had Lance at. 11. You yeah, at 11th and Matt, you
• 1:01:45
  had him highest at 8th. So why?
• 1:01:49
  Why 8th? I guess.
• 1:01:51
  It's very tough like the mid, like I would say you're.
• 1:01:55
  Taking a lot of Wisconsin whitewater into account, yeah,
• 1:01:57
  it seems like. Like 7-8 and nine.
• 1:02:03
  It's just, it's, it was, it was very difficult.
• 1:02:07
  I am putting a lot. I, I obviously I'm putting a lot
• 1:02:10
  of stock into what he's done outside of KU.
• 1:02:13
  So he did get him back to a bowl game.
• 1:02:17
  You know, I think this will be a big, this will be a year.
• 1:02:20
  If he doesn't have a good year, then I think it's going to be we
• 1:02:24
  might not see him on this list next year.
• 1:02:26
  I think this could be the toughest season for him.
• 1:02:29
  I think. I think it could be too.
• 1:02:32
  No, JD Six he gone. Yeah, it's going to be.
• 1:02:37
  It's going to be interesting. No.
• 1:02:40
  No, it's the other. It's the other guy.
• 1:02:41
  I can't they're. Going to have a quick guy back
• 1:02:43
  there, I think. I mean, if he's a gamer, I think
• 1:02:45
  he can. They can do some things.
• 1:02:47
  But I think they've got a funky schedule too, man.
• 1:02:51
  They've got a funky schedule because they go international.
• 1:02:54
  This game in Week 3, that's going to be for both, for both
• 1:02:59
  them and Arizona State, that's going to be bizarre.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah, Funky, funky, funky. It's going to be.
• 1:03:05
  That's going. To fuck some things up.
• 1:03:08
  Yeah, I mean, but I could see. I could now, now hear me out.
• 1:03:12
  I could see KU winning that game.
• 1:03:15
  Yeah, I mean. Arizona State with a new
• 1:03:18
  quarterback there. I don't know, I.
• 1:03:20
  Don't know how good Arizona State's gonna be this year.
• 1:03:22
  I don't either to be to be honest.
• 1:03:25
  They're also traveling an extra 2 hours, which I don't know like
• 1:03:27
  6 hours of jet lag versus 8 hours of jet.
• 1:03:29
  Lag I think they said makes a trend in this difference.
• 1:03:31
  They're leaving after literally after their Week 2 game or
• 1:03:35
  flying. Over.
• 1:03:36
  That sounds awful. That sounds bad.
• 1:03:39
  That's not a good you're. Doing your You're doing your
• 1:03:41
  recovery at 50,000 feet on an 8 hour long flight.
• 1:03:44
  Not great. OK.
• 1:03:46
  I don't love that. You're you're all of that was
• 1:03:49
  incorrect, but that's entire statement.
• 1:03:52
  What do you mean? Flying at 50,000 feet and it's
• 1:03:56
  not 8 hours to fly to London from Phoenix.
• 1:04:00
  What is it? It's probably 11 1/2 of 11.
• 1:04:03
  Oh, it's even longer. Oh yeah.
• 1:04:05
  What are you flying at 60,000 feet?
• 1:04:07
  How much higher are you flying? I think it's 40. 1000 planes
• 1:04:10
  that the highest will fly around 40,000 feet, so yeah.
• 1:04:13
  OK. Whatever mile hot club baby
• 1:04:15
  it's. Great.
• 1:04:16
  It's great. The plane meter says.
• 1:04:20
  Anyway, anyway, back to what we're talking about, I think.
• 1:04:24
  OK, the, the, the next tier, so this is the second tier of the
• 1:04:29
  16. So we've got kind of four tiers
• 1:04:32
  here, right? There's 4 / 16 / 4 is 4.
• 1:04:35
  So the next tier 5 through 8, we've got Morgan Scally at 8th,
• 1:04:40
  Eric Morris at 7th, Brent Brennan at 6th and Sonny Dykes
• 1:04:46
  at 5th. That's literally my ranking
• 1:04:49
  right there. That's exactly how I have them.
• 1:04:52
  As much shit as I gave Morgan Scowley I could, I could see him
• 1:04:57
  doing all the things that Matt thinks that he can do.
• 1:05:00
  He's going to bring that same energy that Utah's had forever.
• 1:05:05
  I mean, he is Utah football. I think they, they thought he
• 1:05:08
  was a godsend for a long time. So that's why they've kept
• 1:05:10
  around. He's been head coach and waiting
• 1:05:12
  for probably as long as he's been there.
• 1:05:16
  Eric Morris, I actually when I talking with Matt and you about
• 1:05:21
  this, I don't know why I didn't put him lower.
• 1:05:24
  He's had one good season. I mean, he's got a good name.
• 1:05:27
  He's bringing over his people, but I mean, Oklahoma State's
• 1:05:31
  been bad for a long, long time, for the past.
• 1:05:34
  But did you know that he was Patrick Mahomes's quarterback
• 1:05:37
  coach at Texas Tech? OK Oh my God.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah, he also. He also brought Incarnate Word
• 1:05:44
  to in the ACS playoff. He also brought Cam Washington
• 1:05:49
  state. Yeah, I mean, he's he's done.
• 1:05:52
  He's. Had a deep career and then these
• 1:05:54
  two right here that I have both 5 and 6.
• 1:05:58
  Honestly, I was wrong on both of them.
• 1:06:01
  Sonny Dykes has been constantly proving me wrong.
• 1:06:04
  I mean, as much as I want to think that he's like in that mid
• 1:06:07
  tier, like similar to Lance light pole and all that stuff,
• 1:06:10
  he actually just wins a lot of games.
• 1:06:12
  Just like constantly he's been it's kind of annoying that he's
• 1:06:17
  like constantly winning nine games every season.
• 1:06:20
  And then Brennan, I thought it was going to be a dumpster fire
• 1:06:24
  after that first season. And I thought that who was the
• 1:06:28
  Arizona coach, that Finch guy? Jed Finch.
• 1:06:32
  I think that Jed fish. Jed Fish, I thought that he had
• 1:06:37
  all of Arizona's magic and I mean, Brendan is kind of just
• 1:06:40
  doing his thing and he's got a returning quarterback.
• 1:06:42
  So he probably after when we're doing this next season, he might
• 1:06:47
  be higher because of what what they can accomplish this season
• 1:06:51
  and they've got a big schedule. Yeah, Sony Dykes is basically
• 1:06:54
  averaging like 7:00 and 5:00 every year over the last three
• 1:06:58
  years. If so, that, that takes out that
• 1:07:00
  national championship appearance year.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, 7:00 and 5:00, eight and four.
• 1:07:04
  That's, that's what he's been averaging.
• 1:07:05
  So he's been pretty steady, pretty even keel.
• 1:07:08
  Like that's not, it's not a bad thing.
• 1:07:10
  It's kind of what Chris Kleinman was doing the last few years Is,
• 1:07:12
  is kind of that steady 7:00 and 5:00 to 9:00 and 3:00 on
• 1:07:17
  average. It's it's kind of where he
• 1:07:18
  landed. I, I, yeah, I, I didn't think
• 1:07:21
  Sonny Dykes was going to be very good coach just because his
• 1:07:24
  track record at Cal and when he was in SMU, they were in the
• 1:07:28
  American. So they hadn't made the jump yet
• 1:07:30
  to the ACC. So he, he didn't have a good
• 1:07:33
  track record as a Power 4, Power 5 head coach coming into his
• 1:07:38
  time at TCU. So I didn't have high
• 1:07:40
  expectations. Obviously year one blew things
• 1:07:43
  out of the water, but he's been very steady since then.
• 1:07:45
  So I, I got him, I've got him ranked relatively high here on
• 1:07:50
  my list. I've got him at 5th and that's
• 1:07:52
  exactly where it comes out in aggregate for for all of us
• 1:07:55
  Chef. You had him at 5th as well, so.
• 1:07:57
  13 and 2, five and seven, nine and four, nine and four is, I
• 1:08:00
  mean, he's exactly, I mean, that's better than Chris
• 1:08:04
  Kleiman's, you know, record. I mean, it's just better.
• 1:08:08
  And like his, even his low, I mean, obviously it's not during
• 1:08:11
  COVID, but I mean, his low was not even as worse as, you know,
• 1:08:14
  Chris Kleiman. So I don't know.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, Matt, you had him at 4th. I mean any thoughts on on where
• 1:08:20
  Sonny comes in here? No, yeah, you mentioned a lot
• 1:08:24
  about his average record. And then I do look at, you know,
• 1:08:27
  2022. I mean, that was, you know, a
• 1:08:31
  huge accomplishment to obviously win the Fiesta Bowl, go to the
• 1:08:35
  national championship game. I know they got humiliated
• 1:08:38
  there. But I, I look at that, that that
• 1:08:41
  props up for me his ranking. I could have probably, I could
• 1:08:48
  have probably put him. Well, no, I did put him above
• 1:08:51
  one other coach. So yeah, I I look at that and
• 1:08:56
  you know, that props his ranking up for me.
• 1:08:59
  Scali Scali coming in at 8th is, I think interesting.
• 1:09:03
  I, I had him at, I had him at 6th.
• 1:09:05
  I had him pretty high. I had him higher than anybody
• 1:09:07
  else. Chef had him at, Chef had him at
• 1:09:11
  at 8th and Matt, you had him at 14th or 13th.
• 1:09:14
  So he came in as as probably the biggest discrepancy for all of
• 1:09:18
  us for a single coach. Pretty much everybody's been
• 1:09:21
  within the similar tier or the same tier for pretty much
• 1:09:24
  everybody, but Scali was the widest variants I think, for all
• 1:09:27
  of us. It's interesting, I think with
• 1:09:30
  my data, it was definitely skewed wrong for Scali strictly
• 1:09:34
  because he has one win. So he has a career 1000 win
• 1:09:38
  percentage, which is like that throws off the data, right.
• 1:09:41
  So I had to move him down in my ranking as a result of that.
• 1:09:44
  And, and I felt like where he comes in here at 8th is, is
• 1:09:47
  pretty fair. Again, because of his track
• 1:09:50
  record as a, as a defensive coordinator, the success that he
• 1:09:53
  had at Utah, He's basically just going to continue doing what
• 1:09:57
  Kyle Whittingham had been doing would be my understanding or, or
• 1:10:01
  at least thought process here. So I, I think he'll continue to,
• 1:10:05
  to steady the ship there and, and it's going to be pretty much
• 1:10:09
  the same. I just don't see it changing all
• 1:10:11
  that much. So I think coming in at 8th in a
• 1:10:14
  16 team conference is, you know, middle of the pack.
• 1:10:17
  It's pretty much kind of where you would belong.
• 1:10:20
  Brennan is a guy that then moved up significantly from last year
• 1:10:23
  to this year. He was 15th in aggregate last
• 1:10:26
  year moves up to 6th. I had him at 8th.
• 1:10:29
  Matt, you had him at 6th and Chef, you had him at 6th.
• 1:10:34
  This one's interesting because Matt, you definitely went with
• 1:10:38
  recency bias here as opposed to career what he's done because
• 1:10:42
  when you look at his career, he's 47 and 60 all time.
• 1:10:46
  He has a career 439 win percentage and at the School of
• 1:10:52
  Arizona he's barely above 500 with a 13 and 12 record.
• 1:10:55
  So I would love to hear your take because you had him in this
• 1:10:59
  tier, but you went with not the career approach on Brent
• 1:11:04
  specifically, but not for anybody else?
• 1:11:07
  Well, OK. Sure.
• 1:11:10
  So. I mean, I, I, for him, I took a
• 1:11:13
  little bit of recent see into it because I look at his first two
• 1:11:18
  seasons or you know, this will be year 4, year three.
• 1:11:24
  And one of the key things, you know, that I look at from year
• 1:11:28
  one to year 2 is how much I think Arizona improved from year
• 1:11:32
  one to year 2. So I, the tough part for me was
• 1:11:40
  I think he's not in a top tier, top 4 coach in the conference.
• 1:11:48
  I, you know, I looked at I, there was some recency there,
• 1:11:53
  but he also had like his last year at San Jose State was
• 1:11:56
  pretty good. So that that was why I put him
• 1:12:00
  at 6th. I, I think he, I think he has
• 1:12:03
  the potential like, like this is where I, that's why I think my,
• 1:12:08
  my logic kind of is more valid. I don't have no shots or
• 1:12:13
  anything like that. I just think it's more valid.
• 1:12:15
  I think you, you, you're not going to be able to justify
• 1:12:19
  Britt Brennan without saying, look at his team this year.
• 1:12:24
  Look at what he could potentially do off of a really
• 1:12:28
  good season that he had last season.
• 1:12:30
  Because if he can marry that up, then this, just this justifies
• 1:12:33
  the spot that we all put him in. Maybe I, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:12:41
  Again, I think everybody has their own way of interpreting
• 1:12:44
  what a power ranking is. So there isn't a right?
• 1:12:50
  There's definitely no right. There's just more, right?
• 1:12:54
  Yeah, I'm, I'm with you there. I'm with you there.
• 1:12:56
  I read the definition earlier. Take that as you will.
• 1:12:59
  Oh, look at this Colton though. Our final tier.
• 1:13:02
  Let me get that. Let me get that right there.
• 1:13:05
  All right. Who won that guy?
• 1:13:07
  So 4th through 1st, the top tier here.
• 1:13:11
  We've got Willie Fritz and Kenny Kenny Dillingham tied for third.
• 1:13:16
  We've got Joey McGuire at 2nd, the defending Big 12 champion at
• 1:13:20
  2nd, and Kalani Sataki, the defending Big 12 runner up at
• 1:13:25
  first coming off of ACFP snub and McGuire coming off of a ACFP
• 1:13:31
  appearance. Interesting, interesting thought
• 1:13:35
  process here. I I would love to hear Willie
• 1:13:37
  Fritz from last year to this year moved up 10 spots from 13th
• 1:13:41
  to 10th. Kenny Dillingham is exactly
• 1:13:43
  where we ranked him last year at that third place and McGuire and
• 1:13:49
  Sotaki. Sotaki was a top tier guy for us
• 1:13:51
  last year. We had him at 4th, so he didn't
• 1:13:54
  move up much, but they had a great season and he's continued
• 1:13:58
  to to prove that their move to the Big 12 was the right choice
• 1:14:01
  for them. They've done a fantastic job in
• 1:14:03
  that transition after a lackluster first year going I
• 1:14:06
  think 5:00 and 7:00 in that first season.
• 1:14:09
  And then McGuire moves up 8 spots from from 10th or no, he
• 1:14:13
  was yeah, from 10th to to 2nd. So we were close on all these.
• 1:14:19
  None of these were unanimous for us, but we had each.
• 1:14:22
  Well, with the exception of Matt having Kenny Dillingham and
• 1:14:25
  Willie Fritz flip-flopped, we pretty much all had all four of
• 1:14:29
  these guys in this top tier here.
• 1:14:31
  But let's start with Willie Fritz and the season that they
• 1:14:34
  had. Yeah, I think we were all wrong
• 1:14:37
  on Willie Fritz. I think we could speak.
• 1:14:38
  I could speak for all of us. And the reason why I had him so
• 1:14:43
  low. It was.
• 1:14:44
  And I can remember vividly saying that he just has to prove
• 1:14:47
  it because we all were, we all admired Willie Fritz.
• 1:14:51
  But he was, he's an old man taking over the Houston job.
• 1:14:55
  That was not very, you know, I didn't think they were going to
• 1:14:58
  be all that good. And he came in and he recruited
• 1:15:02
  his butt often. He does what Willie Fritz does.
• 1:15:04
  And he he spanked, you know, he spanked K State in in heat.
• 1:15:10
  We are in Houston. And you know, it's just he's
• 1:15:15
  done exactly what he's needed to do.
• 1:15:18
  And I have no reason not to put him up here.
• 1:15:21
  He he deserves it. And now this season could be a
• 1:15:26
  little funky for him. It could be.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah. I think it could go either way
• 1:15:30
  for Houston this season. I think they could either get
• 1:15:33
  spanked because they got a good non con game.
• 1:15:35
  I think this season I'm almost 100% sure they got a really
• 1:15:39
  good, really good test. But man, Vegas thinks that
• 1:15:47
  Houston's like the 5th best team in the Big 12.
• 1:15:49
  So I man, maybe he's there. Maybe he's anointed himself to
• 1:15:54
  stay in the top five. They do not have a good non con.
• 1:15:56
  They play Oregon State in Houston, they play Southern and
• 1:16:01
  they play Georgia Southern. Who's playing?
• 1:16:05
  Who's playing A&M? Oh.
• 1:16:11
  Is that Arizona State Plan A? Arizona State's Plan A.
• 1:16:14
  Oh, OK. Sorry, sorry, Dillahan.
• 1:16:17
  Actually, that's why I think Dillahan, Arizona State could be
• 1:16:20
  getting spanked this season. Yeah, I'll just say with Willie
• 1:16:26
  Freitzel, yeah, yeah, I was definitely wrong on on him.
• 1:16:28
  But you know, kind of looking back at what he's done at
• 1:16:34
  Houston the past handful of years, I mean, last year was
• 1:16:37
  obviously a huge year, but he's shown that consistency of like
• 1:16:42
  building a program multiple stops and from the FCS level
• 1:16:48
  went up. And looking at just if you think
• 1:16:54
  about last year's kind of coaches and you know, we've had
• 1:16:57
  a handful of coaches that have obviously left the conference,
• 1:17:01
  it would have been natural obviously to move him up anyway.
• 1:17:05
  But looking at his resume as a whole, what he's done, I think
• 1:17:10
  he could have a big year this year.
• 1:17:13
  I liked him at 2:00. So that kind of moved him up a
• 1:17:16
  little bit I think compared to you all.
• 1:17:21
  You had him at 2:00. I did have him at 2:00.
• 1:17:24
  No, you've got Kenny. Well, yeah, you've got Willie
• 1:17:26
  Fritz. Kenny.
• 1:17:27
  Kenny Dillingham. Sorry, I thought when.
• 1:17:29
  We I thought we were talking about Willie.
• 1:17:30
  We were talking about Willie Fritz.
• 1:17:31
  No, we, we are. We are what?
• 1:17:33
  The Arizona State and the A and MI.
• 1:17:34
  I I railroaded that whole conversation I threw in but.
• 1:17:38
  He's he is tied, they are tied for third with each other.
• 1:17:41
  So let's just segue into to Dillingham here.
• 1:17:44
  It's it's going to be man the, the guy.
• 1:17:48
  This could be the year that we had next season when we do this.
• 1:17:52
  It could be totally different based on recency and all that.
• 1:17:55
  Because I think Kenny Dillingham could have one of those seasons
• 1:17:59
  where we thought Arizona State was going to be really bad.
• 1:18:02
  And it's funny because now that I think about it, my logic on
• 1:18:07
  why I had Kenny Dillingham at like 1516, his first season, is
• 1:18:11
  exactly why Matt has Colin Klein at 16, which is really funny.
• 1:18:18
  But we saw where he ended up. So maybe again, I understand.
• 1:18:24
  Yes, yes. So if you were wrong.
• 1:18:27
  My expectation is that he will be moving from 16 very quickly.
• 1:18:31
  But yes, I that is what I should have done.
• 1:18:35
  I should have gone back and been like, Oh yeah, look at Bob.
• 1:18:38
  Kenny Dillingham at 16. But look at.
• 1:18:41
  But what I would say was that I was wrong about that ranking.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, I and yeah. But he had a he had a shit
• 1:18:48
  season the previous year and he only had one year as a head
• 1:18:51
  coach at that point. I think they went 2 and 10.
• 1:18:53
  So I feel like 16th out of 16th was totally fair.
• 1:18:56
  OK, yeah, I was thinking that he won the won the Big 12 his
• 1:19:00
  rookie season. He no.
• 1:19:01
  He did not he. OK, so take everything I just
• 1:19:04
  said back, Matt, you're still very wrong.
• 1:19:07
  Because that was the year. That was the year they were
• 1:19:09
  seven and two going into Manhattan.
• 1:19:11
  We were both 7 and two. We were coming off of that
• 1:19:13
  Houston loss, I think, right. And, and yeah, we went into the
• 1:19:18
  Arizona State game in Manhattan thinking like, oh, we still got
• 1:19:21
  an outside shot at the Big 12 here.
• 1:19:24
  And they yeah, that. Did that.
• 1:19:25
  That was. 2024, yeah. 2024 That's the year that I ranked
• 1:19:28
  Dillingham at 16th because he was coming off of A2 in 10
• 1:19:31
  season. Shirt.
• 1:19:32
  Yeah, yeah, the day is there. But what I'm what my point was
• 1:19:39
  before I tried to incriminate myself for no reason, was that
• 1:19:44
  Kenny Dillingham could be moving down because I don't think his
• 1:19:47
  roster is all that well this season and he's got a tough,
• 1:19:50
  tough schedule. So, man, I could be wrong about
• 1:19:54
  Kenny Dillingham. Maybe, maybe the loss of Will
• 1:19:57
  not Will Stein that was at Oregon, but maybe the luster of
• 1:20:00
  him being at Oregon. And still riding that momentum
• 1:20:04
  of that Big 12 title. Maybe it's wearing off.
• 1:20:07
  Maybe he's not as good as we think he is.
• 1:20:09
  I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:20:12
  That's So let's let's talk about the top 2 here.
• 1:20:16
  It's Joey Maguire's coming off of a Big 12 championship and a
• 1:20:19
  CFP appearance, Kalai Sataki, runner up of the same Big 12
• 1:20:25
  conference championship game and got snubbed for the CFP.
• 1:20:28
  But coming off of a bowl victory where Notre Dame aim pussied out
• 1:20:34
  and didn't appear. They just decided to take their
• 1:20:36
  ball and go home instead of playing in the game with them.
• 1:20:39
  So thoughts, thoughts on where you ranked these two guys?
• 1:20:42
  So I, I was the only one that had Joey in first.
• 1:20:46
  You both had him in 3rd and so it averaged out at 2nd.
• 1:20:50
  Kalani Sataki, you both had him at 1st and I had him at 2nd.
• 1:20:54
  So I'm curious the thought process there and, and because
• 1:20:58
  I, I can share mine and it's, I think it's pretty clear here.
• 1:21:02
  It's Joey Mcguire's coming off of a Big 12 championship and
• 1:21:05
  just assembled yet another great roster with the exception of the
• 1:21:08
  quarterback. But this isn't a quarterback
• 1:21:11
  power ranking. This is a coaching power
• 1:21:12
  ranking. And McGuire has proven to be
• 1:21:15
  pretty steady and, and strong at, at the helmet at Texas Tech
• 1:21:19
  so far in what, four or five years that he's been there now.
• 1:21:22
  So I I've got him ranked first but curious that.
• 1:21:27
  Would be the reason why that would be the reason why I have
• 1:21:30
  Kalani sataki #1 is the consistency.
• 1:21:33
  I think the move from the independent route to the Big 12
• 1:21:37
  he's it's, it's been seamless. And then also the reason why I
• 1:21:43
  think we were justified putting Chris Kleiman number one last
• 1:21:48
  season, even at, you know, he went six and six.
• 1:21:51
  But I think we were just convinced that that the
• 1:21:55
  consistency he was, he was not coming off of a Big 12 tighter.
• 1:21:59
  Kenny Dillingham was and we still had Chris Kleiman number
• 1:22:02
  one last season. I think Kalani Sataki very
• 1:22:06
  steady. Joey McGuire.
• 1:22:07
  I, I, I put a lot of projection into my Big 12 rankings and my
• 1:22:13
  my coaching rankings. And I think an 8 and four season
• 1:22:17
  at Texas Tech is very plausible. I don't think that they could
• 1:22:21
  start off hot and with the roster the way you have it, if
• 1:22:25
  you go 8:00 and 4:00, I'm going to drop you low.
• 1:22:29
  That's what's going to happen. And I think Joey, Joey, he's got
• 1:22:35
  a lot to back up this season. He's down maybe 2 quarterbacks
• 1:22:40
  because who knows how the knee is going to be working for our
• 1:22:43
  boy. I don't remember his name, but
• 1:22:45
  Will Hammond? Will Hammond?
• 1:22:46
  I don't know if the knee is going to be all that well, but
• 1:22:48
  we'll see if we'll see if he can back it up because I think the
• 1:22:52
  Big 12 is going to be gunning for him and that could weigh on
• 1:22:56
  how I rank him next season. Yeah, and I put Kalani Sataki at
• 1:23:03
  one. You'd mentioned the consistency.
• 1:23:06
  You know, he has done a really good job at BYU.
• 1:23:09
  Obviously two out of the three years of the Big 12, they won
• 1:23:11
  over 10 games. He had a lot of success from the
• 1:23:15
  independent route as well. My issue with Joey McGuire is,
• 1:23:19
  yes, he last year, great year, right?
• 1:23:23
  But you think about what he, you know, 2025 or you know, 20, you
• 1:23:28
  know, 2024 and a stint kind of before, you know, they really
• 1:23:32
  started getting some of these really good players.
• 1:23:36
  He he was not winning a lot of games.
• 1:23:42
  So I look at last year, I think he really helped coach that team
• 1:23:45
  and get them to where they needed to be, which is, which is
• 1:23:48
  great. I had him at 3:00.
• 1:23:53
  If he has another great year this year with the recruits that
• 1:23:57
  he's brought in and and whatnot, then you know, he'll probably
• 1:24:02
  move up for me depending on what goes on.
• 1:24:05
  But for me, it was hard. I mean, I had him at 9:00 last
• 1:24:08
  year just because a lot of people were talking about Joey
• 1:24:12
  McGuire. He had to have a great year, had
• 1:24:13
  to have a great year. He did have a great year, but
• 1:24:18
  for me, I couldn't move him up to one with that.
• 1:24:21
  Looking at what Kalani Sataki has been at BYU, but also what
• 1:24:26
  Willie Fritz has done in his time at Houston and how he's
• 1:24:29
  grown that program and his QuickTime there, as well as his
• 1:24:33
  past experience. I love it.
• 1:24:36
  I, I think this is when we, when we zoom out here and look at the
• 1:24:39
  aggregate, I feel like this is a pretty good power ranking.
• 1:24:42
  I feel like the truth somewhere lies somewhere in between here
• 1:24:46
  for for all three of us. And I think when you look at the
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  state of the Big 12 and you look at this 2026 season where
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  expectations are for a lot of these teams, I feel like this is
• 1:24:56
  a pretty fair ranking when you look at it holistically here.
• 1:24:59
  So it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.
• 1:25:01
  I'm going to put together a little graphic again for this
• 1:25:04
  year so we can piss off some Texas Tech fans by having Joey
• 1:25:07
  ranked second. I think that's going to be
• 1:25:09
  hilarious. It's going to get a lot of
• 1:25:11
  engagement, clickbait rage bait from from the Tech fans.
• 1:25:14
  So I'm excited to to farm some of that out of them.
• 1:25:18
  But any any final thoughts before we we drop out here?
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  I think it's a good list guys. I think I think we could be just
• 1:25:28
  like every season, we're going to have some some stinkers.
• 1:25:32
  I think this is going to be the one season where we have the
• 1:25:35
  biggest movement amongst because I don't think we're going to.
• 1:25:40
  Obviously this is where the rankings come into play and for
• 1:25:45
  next season, how many departures do we have?
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  How many of these guys are not going to be on this list next
• 1:25:51
  season because Matt already said Lance is not going to be there.
• 1:25:56
  You did say that. It's not in Dillingham.
• 1:25:58
  I said if they don't have a good year, I'd have to think that
• 1:26:02
  they might make a change. But.
• 1:26:03
  So on Stinky and. Dillingham, they both had
• 1:26:05
  overtures from Michigan and some other programs, Penn State
• 1:26:09
  versus Taka. I mean, a lot of these guys are
• 1:26:11
  highly sought after guys, sought after guys, so.
• 1:26:13
  I'm gonna say get poached. I'm gonna see we don't see Lance
• 1:26:17
  next season. I don't think we see a random
• 1:26:20
  next season. I think Dion might step and I
• 1:26:28
  maybe Kenny gets poached, but I think it might be poached for
• 1:26:32
  like a lower SEC school. I don't know.
• 1:26:38
  I think, I think we have a bounce back year from Dion.
• 1:26:41
  I think Rich Rod may be somewhere in the middle of the
• 1:26:44
  pack depending on what his roster looks like, what he's
• 1:26:47
  assembled there. It's just, I feel like it's such
• 1:26:49
  a black box with how much turnover both he and and Dion
• 1:26:52
  had that it's hard to know what they're gonna do with it.
• 1:26:56
  Scali could obviously move up this list.
• 1:26:58
  Just again, the the lack of experience as a head coach is
• 1:27:00
  weighing him down a little bit here.
• 1:27:02
  Morris could either go up or go down, but the vibes are really
• 1:27:05
  high in Stillwater right now. Brennan I could see regressing
• 1:27:09
  back to the mean a little bit after a Goodyear last year.
• 1:27:11
  I don't know. It's it's going to be fun to see
• 1:27:13
  this play out. I think maybe we do.
• 1:27:15
  Maybe we'll run again. Maybe we'll.
• 1:27:17
  Do under 2 1/2. At some point.
• 1:27:20
  Over under 2 1/2. I'm going to go under.
• 1:27:25
  They're going to go under. Under I'm going to take the
• 1:27:28
  over. 1234, so we had four this year.
• 1:27:36
  I would take the over. I think 3 is a good number.
• 1:27:38
  Oh, thanks, Matt. 1/2 I think we, we only had, we only had two
• 1:27:47
  departures from 24 to 25, Gus Malzahn and and Neil Brown and
• 1:27:53
  we had what, 44 departures last year?
• 1:27:56
  Yeah. So maybe go over, but it's like
• 1:28:00
  3. Nope, you picked under.
• 1:28:01
  You can't. Pick under I heard I'll.
• 1:28:03
  Go under, I'll go under. It's fine.
• 1:28:04
  It's fine, It's fine. I'm taking a data-driven
• 1:28:08
  approach. Guys, come on.
• 1:28:10
  Yeah, Oh my God. My God.
• 1:28:11
  Look, we all took different approaches and that is should be
• 1:28:15
  respected. Celebrating diversity over here
• 1:28:21
  in in Dallas, TX Fireball, Matt says.
• 1:28:24
  All right, I, I don't have any other thoughts.
• 1:28:26
  I think for our next episode we can do something similar, but
• 1:28:29
  with the actual teams and get into team power rankings because
• 1:28:33
  I'm sure those are going to be different in a lot of cases than
• 1:28:36
  the than the actual coaching power rankings because we've
• 1:28:39
  done that in years past too. And then as we get closer to the
• 1:28:42
  season with with August and Paul camp and all that stuff
• 1:28:45
  starting, we'll obviously have our our position group previews
• 1:28:49
  and offense and defense and everything once we get a little
• 1:28:52
  closer to the season. But I'm looking forward to
• 1:28:55
  getting some more regular episodes on the books here,
• 1:28:57
  guys. The offseason's winding down for
• 1:28:59
  us. I know Scott gives a shit for
• 1:29:01
  for not recording as much in the offseason, but hey, he doesn't
• 1:29:05
  have kids. We've got kids.
• 1:29:06
  Well, Matt doesn't, but. Oh thanks, I appreciate that.
• 1:29:13
  Just getting back down all day today.
• 1:29:16
  I don't know if I ever want to do another episode.
• 1:29:20
  Just do better power rankings. That's all the our power
• 1:29:24
  rankings are different and we have different ways of looking
• 1:29:26
  at it. It's love.
• 1:29:28
  It's all love. It's all love.
• 1:29:31
  Matt, Matt. Matt might be right.
• 1:29:34
  Oh, I hope not. But.
• 1:29:35
  I hope not. I look, I hope I'm not right.
• 1:29:37
  I hope. This could be This could be fun
• 1:29:39
  to do for basketball this season 2.
• 1:29:42
  Oh my, where's where? Where?
• 1:29:43
  Would you saw KCA at? Where would he be?
• 1:29:45
  Oh man. That'd probably be.
• 1:29:48
  It'd probably be pretty similar, but.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, different episode for a different time.
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