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UK Column On Location: Bristol—Sonia Poulton · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Sonia Polton, we are very pleased to see has made
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Speaker 1: it here despite enormous frustrations with the train system. But
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Speaker 1: we are delighted that she has because she has been
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Speaker 1: a long term UK column friend and indeed a contact
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Speaker 1: of Brian's in particular, for many many years, and she
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Speaker 1: is somebody with a pedigree in the broadcasting arena that
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Speaker 1: goes back probably rather more years than she would like mentioned,
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Speaker 1: but in this day and age, her name is most
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Speaker 1: often followed by words such as sparked controversy by those
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Speaker 1: in the mainstream who rather wish that she wouldn't. We
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Speaker 1: are of course delighted that she does do what she does,
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Speaker 1: and she has an absolutely enormous breadth of experience in
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Speaker 1: campaigning on so many of the very very important issues today,
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Speaker 1: particularly those concerning young people. So we are delighted that
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Speaker 1: she's here. And not only has she fought her way
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Speaker 1: through a very reluctant railway system, but she did say
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Speaker 1: on her excellent YouTube program yesterday morning that she was
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Speaker 1: struggling to breathe and yet she has survived this long
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Speaker 1: just to be here for the UK Column audience. So,
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Speaker 1: without any further ado, Sonya Polton, thank you very much
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Speaker 1: to you for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you all.
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Speaker 3: It is lovely to be here, and I am very
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Speaker 3: sorry for the lateness that my very first train was
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Speaker 3: canceled and I immediately assumed it was Janna Heath and
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Speaker 3: Britain working against me.
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Speaker 2: From another realm.
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Speaker 3: I'm here to talk about my travels into corruption, which
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Speaker 3: involves rather a lot of child abuse and child exploitation.
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Speaker 3: But it's not the only thing about corruption. But let
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Speaker 3: me just give you a little bit of background into
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Speaker 3: me what I do. When people say what do you do,
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Speaker 3: I say, I'm a journalist, I'm a broadcaster, and I'm
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Speaker 3: an accidental trouble maker and that is really the sum
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Speaker 3: total of excuse my voice. I've had a cold all week.
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Speaker 3: I haven't had a cold for three years. And what's
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Speaker 3: great about being in this room amongst UK column people
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Speaker 3: is hardly any of you think I'm infectious. So it's
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Speaker 3: wonderful to be here, really wonderful. I'm honored actually, thank
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Speaker 3: you very much, Brian and co. I think I am
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Speaker 3: a supporter of UK column have been for a very
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Speaker 3: long time because it's one of the few media bodies
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Speaker 3: that I can actually trust. And you don't get to
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Speaker 3: say that very often. So a little bit of background.
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Speaker 3: I was a music journalist for about twelve years and
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Speaker 3: then my daughter arrived. And the thing about music journalism
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Speaker 3: is you don't really get paid a lot, but all
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Speaker 3: the perks are in the job, so I got to
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Speaker 3: travel an awful lot. My speciality was hip hop, and
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Speaker 3: I toured with people like Puff Daddy and the Snoop
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Speaker 3: Dog and Theorious Big.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I was one of the.
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Speaker 3: Last journalists to interview the Notorious Big before he was murdered,
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Speaker 3: and he actually told me he didn't think he was
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Speaker 3: going to survive much longer. And then my daughter, my
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Speaker 3: darling daughter, arrived in nineteen ninety seven, and I needed
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Speaker 3: to earn a living because the thing about babies is
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Speaker 3: you can't feed them CDs, because, believe me, I contemplated it.
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Speaker 3: So I had to get a proper job. And I
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Speaker 3: loved music journalism. I really didn't. I had a very
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Speaker 3: similar theme and thread to what I do now, and
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Speaker 3: that is I hate all injustices. So I was particularly
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Speaker 3: interested in hip hop because it was a lot about
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Speaker 3: social issues. For about ten years, I went to America
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Speaker 3: back and forth at times once a month, and I
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Speaker 3: learned so much about the music industry and this thing
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Speaker 3: they called the Illuminati from the people who were right
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Speaker 3: there at the center of it. So it's kind of
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Speaker 3: weird to see all this stuff coming out about Diddy
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Speaker 3: right now, because I remember going to interview him in
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Speaker 3: New York and I arrived at his office in I
4:05
Speaker 3: think it was the meat packers district, which is a
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Speaker 3: bit unfortunate all things considered, and I went into his
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Speaker 3: office and I was told he's not here, he's at
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Speaker 3: his flat waiting for you, which, now, of course, with
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Speaker 3: the benefit of hindsight, now.
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Speaker 2: That's not really what you want to hear, is it.
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Speaker 3: But actually I have to say he was perfectly fine
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Speaker 3: with me, and presumably he didn't find me attractive or
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Speaker 3: he just thought, God, she's gonna be a bit of
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Speaker 3: a handful. And I arrived to find his hand all
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Speaker 3: bandaged up, and he told me that he had broken
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Speaker 3: a glass in his hand, And now, of course, all
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Speaker 3: the revelations coming out, I have to wonder whose head
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Speaker 3: did he break that glass over. But that really set
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Speaker 3: me off. And so then after nineteen ninety seven, I
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Speaker 3: started to look at issues of injustice. And my daughter
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Speaker 3: was about seven or eight when I realized there was
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Speaker 3: a whole big agenda to sexualize her, and I was
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Speaker 3: uncertain about it. I was like, wait, really, and I
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Speaker 3: looked at all the things that were being offered my daughter,
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Speaker 3: like brats doles. Does anybody remember brats dolls? Now, brats
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Speaker 3: dolls looked like hookers. They had like chain mail on,
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Speaker 3: and they had they basically looked like the Kardashians, you know,
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Speaker 3: the people who don't have the same face they were
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Speaker 3: born with, you know, like really really protruding lips and
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Speaker 3: you know, and they were very hookerish, and I was like,
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Speaker 3: this is what's being pushed on our children. Thankfully, my
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Speaker 3: daughter didn't like them. But I wrote an article for
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Speaker 3: the Daily Mail. Because I was very much a mainstream
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Speaker 3: media journalist at the time. I wrote an article for
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Speaker 3: the Daily Mail and it was about how I was
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Speaker 3: really concerned about the sexualization of children as a consequence
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Speaker 3: of these dolls, because once I started to look into
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Speaker 3: who had created these dolls, it turned out to be
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Speaker 3: a man who was inspired to create the brats dolls
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Speaker 3: after watching schoolgirls in their short skirts at a bus
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Speaker 3: stop outside his house. And that sounded a little bit
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Speaker 3: odd to me anyway, Bit by bit, I started to
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Speaker 3: take on board all the things that they were pushing
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Speaker 3: at my daughter, and that included like Miley Cyrus and
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Speaker 3: Rihanna and don't forget all of these artists were very
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Speaker 3: much marketed at young children for a period of time,
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Speaker 3: and Rihanna was all but you know, sort of copulating
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Speaker 3: on stage. At one one point it was really really scary.
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Speaker 3: And that was about two thousand and five. So that
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Speaker 3: was when my eyes were completely wide open. I was like,
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Speaker 3: there's something very wrong here, what is taking place? And
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Speaker 3: I have to say UK column greatly informed me huge
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Speaker 3: amount in my work. In fact, I remember going off
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Speaker 3: to meet Brian at a hotel sounds a bit weird
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Speaker 3: and going it was completely above board. I was working
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Speaker 3: for itn I was a contributing editor at IM for
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Speaker 3: eight years and my job was to bring them outside projects.
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Speaker 3: So one of the first things that we did, of course,
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Speaker 3: was cover the whole issue of pedophiles within the parliamentary system,
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Speaker 3: and we also broke the story of contaminated blood and
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Speaker 3: so I was very much involved in outside projects. But
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Speaker 3: Brian had said to me, there's this whole thing of
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Speaker 3: grooming gangs and it's not just in the north of England,
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Speaker 3: and Brian had done in fact, the UK colin had
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Speaker 3: done this sterling work about grooming gangs all around the UK,
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Speaker 3: and at the time I think this was in Oxford,
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Speaker 3: and so we arranged for a team from ITN to
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Speaker 3: meet Brian and I'm not sure if it was Mike
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Speaker 3: as well, at this kind of hotel, kind of motorway place,
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Speaker 3: probably Berkshire, I think it was. Anyway, I arrived, but
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Speaker 3: the ITN team didn't. They changed their mind at the
7:51
Speaker 3: last moment, which was very embarrassing because Brian had made
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Speaker 3: the whole track. But then, of course I realized afterwards,
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Speaker 3: starting to understand the whole situation, this wasn't. This wasn't
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Speaker 3: a coincidence, This wasn't They had looked into it deeper
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Speaker 3: and decided this wasn't an area they wanted to go
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Speaker 3: down at that moment in time. Of course, you can
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Speaker 3: barely move now for the amount of people in media
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Speaker 3: who were prepared to cover in grooming gangs. But when
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Speaker 3: UK column were covering it, hardly anybody would. And so
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Speaker 3: I was greatly informed by the work of UK column
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Speaker 3: and I started to see bit by bit that a
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Speaker 3: lot of the corruption hinged on either the abuse or
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Speaker 3: the neglect of children, and that deeply concerned me. I'd
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Speaker 3: come from a difficult background myself. I was like orphaned eleven.
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Speaker 3: My father had left when I was three, my mom
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Speaker 3: died when I was eleven. My brothers and sisters became
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Speaker 3: my guardians fantastically so, and I wouldn't change a thing,
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Speaker 3: because it makes you who you are, whatever your journey is,
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Speaker 3: and I was. I suppose I had a kind of
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Speaker 3: deep longing in me to be able to I don't know,
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Speaker 3: comfort the child that I once was, but in all
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Speaker 3: ordered to be able to do that, I felt that
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Speaker 3: I needed to be part of and a raising, a
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Speaker 3: raising of awareness about child abuse and how deeply embedded
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Speaker 3: within the British establishment it is. So the very first
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Speaker 3: story that I started to investigate was the disappearance of
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Speaker 3: Madeline mccam, which was bizarre to me because one child
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Speaker 3: goes missing every thirty minutes in the UK. Now, many
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Speaker 3: of those return within twenty four hours, but still, nonetheless,
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Speaker 3: one child goes missing every thirty minutes in the UK,
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Speaker 3: and yet suddenly we were all focused on one child.
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Speaker 3: And this is to take absolutely nothing away from Madeline
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Speaker 3: Beth McCown, who was only twelve days away from her
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Speaker 3: fourth birthday before she was reported missing. So I've been
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Speaker 3: to the scene of crime twice in prior de lude,
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Speaker 3: and let me tell you, not a person there believes
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Speaker 3: in the official narrative, not anybody I've ever encountered. That's
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Speaker 3: just how their brainwashed us in the rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: But initially media was prepared to challenge the abduction story,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know if anybody remembers, there was an
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Speaker 3: unprecedented front page apology from the Daily Express to the
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Speaker 3: McCanns to their friends, and that changed the whole game.
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Speaker 3: And that was I think that was September two thousand
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Speaker 3: and seven. Actually, no, September two thousand and seven was
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Speaker 3: when Kate and Jerry were made our guidos, and they
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Speaker 3: had said prior to that our guido was official suspect
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Speaker 3: in Portugal, and prior to that, Kate and Jerry McCann said,
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Speaker 3: we're not leaving Portugal until we get our daughter back.
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Speaker 3: And then they were made our guido on the sixth
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Speaker 3: of September and they left on the seventh, so clearly
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Speaker 3: their minds had changed, and all of the things didn't add.
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Speaker 2: Up to me.
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Speaker 3: Why did they get a police escort from the airport,
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Speaker 3: and why just five days after Kate and Jerry McCann
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Speaker 3: had returned home, did Gordon Brown, who had then become
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Speaker 3: the new Prime Minister, did he have a meeting with
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Speaker 3: Kate and Jerry McCann's local police, apparently about Neighborhood Watch,
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Speaker 3: because of course the Prime Minister always goes to police
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Speaker 3: stations to talk about Neighborhood Watch, And I just thought
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Speaker 3: the timing was very interesting, And of.
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Speaker 2: Course we now know, as I did then, was that there.
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Speaker 3: Was huge and intense political involvement in the case from
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Speaker 3: the get go. Within the first day, there were already
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Speaker 3: politicians on the scene, and it would have been impossible
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Speaker 3: actually to really find out the truth of the story.
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Speaker 3: But I know absolutely, without question, Madeline McCann was not abducted.
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Speaker 3: And the reason I know that is because of the
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Speaker 3: sheer volume of research I've put into going through this,
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Speaker 3: And so when I see documentaries that make it like
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Speaker 3: the Netflix one, I laugh, because it's all about upholding
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Speaker 3: the official narrative.
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Speaker 2: And when I saw that a German.
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Speaker 3: Man was being called the number one suspect, from twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: I knew it was an absolute farce.
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Speaker 3: And I argued against it, and you get all the
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Speaker 3: same kind of you know, spurious lunatics who appear on
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Speaker 3: mainstream media talking about it. And to be fair, for
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Speaker 3: a long period of time I was able to talk
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Speaker 3: about it on mainstream media. But they start you off
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Speaker 3: like this, They say, you're not going to say there
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Speaker 3: was no.
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Speaker 2: Abduction, are you?
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Speaker 3: I go no, And then I'd be on there talking
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Speaker 3: to Nick Ferrari and I'd go and you know, Nick,
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Speaker 3: there was no abduction. And of course they never ever
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Speaker 3: liked that because they don't like you going off script.
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Speaker 2: And as you can tell, I don't work very well
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Speaker 2: to a script because I haven't got a script right now.
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Speaker 3: And so it was clear to me that there are
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Speaker 3: problems and corruption own's children, and in some respects none
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Speaker 3: more so than Madeline maccan, because I often say it's
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Speaker 3: a really sad story, the idea of a child going missing.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, any human being who isn't.
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Speaker 3: A sociopath or a psychopath couldn't fail to feel compassion
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Speaker 3: about that story until you start to look into it
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Speaker 3: and you realize it's one of the biggest cover ups
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Speaker 3: that we've been drawn into this fourteen million pound of
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Speaker 3: the British taxpayers money for a crime that didn't happen
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Speaker 3: in this country, and there is no evidence of an abduction. However,
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Speaker 3: there is plenty of evidence, very sadly, that little Madeline
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Speaker 3: died in that apartment five A, because well, cadaver dogs
13:41
Speaker 3: are actually a thing, and they sent in two cadaver dogs,
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Speaker 3: Eddie and Keeler, who were tremendous and they alerted I
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Speaker 3: believe it was eleven times behind the sofa, and so
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Speaker 3: many people believe what actually happened to little Madeline was
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Speaker 3: she woke up and she was possibly sedated in some way,
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Speaker 3: and she crawled up on the sofa because she could
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Speaker 3: hear her father having a conversation out in the street
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Speaker 3: with a BBC producer, and she fell down the back
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Speaker 3: of the sofa, smashed her head on the stone floor
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Speaker 3: and died behind the sofa. And that is something many
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Speaker 3: people believe, including the Portuguese police, and the Portuguese police
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Speaker 3: files still stand as the best bank of evidence we
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Speaker 3: have as to what happened to Madeline mccamp. But of
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Speaker 3: course they're going to keep they have to keep rolling
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Speaker 3: it on now because of the amount of Prime ministers
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Speaker 3: and Home Secretaries who are complicit in the lie. So
14:43
Speaker 3: it started with David Cameron and then it went on
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Speaker 3: too so that we had Teresa May. No, it didn't
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Speaker 3: start with dead cameraon.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: It started with Tony Blair and then it was Gordon Brown,
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Speaker 3: and then it went on to David Cameron, and then
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Speaker 3: it was Teresa May. And actually the one newspaper blackmail
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Speaker 3: David Cameron over Treesa May in order to be able
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Speaker 3: to start off Operation Grange, which is the British investigation
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Speaker 3: into Madeline mccannon. It started off as a review into
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Speaker 3: the Portuguese police investigation and then it moved on to
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Speaker 3: an investigation in its own right. And the reason I
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Speaker 3: say they were blackmailed is because they put a front
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Speaker 3: page on and they were suggesting that they would put
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Speaker 3: Treesa May, who was then Home Secretary, on the front
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Speaker 3: page every day for a month unless she agreed to
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Speaker 3: Operation Grange. And they gave in because as we now
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Speaker 3: all know, Rebecca Brooks, who was very senior at News International,
15:42
Speaker 3: was great friends with David Cameron.
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Speaker 2: And so we the British public have been brought.
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Speaker 3: Into a huge light and I didn't like that, so
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Speaker 3: I started to do everything I could to raise awareness
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Speaker 3: to that. I made two documentaries. I went to the
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Speaker 3: scene of crime twice. I talked to multiple people, brilliant people.
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Speaker 3: Colin Sutton, who was the senior investigating officer. Colin has
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Speaker 3: become quite famous these days because it was Colin who
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Speaker 3: was behind the capture and eventual imprisonment of Levi Belfield,
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Speaker 3: who was obviously responsible for the death of Amelita Lagrange
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Speaker 3: and probably most famously for most people, Milly Dowler, Kate
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Speaker 3: Sheedy and other people as well, you absolute vicious killer.
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Speaker 3: But it was Colin who was the SiO responsible for
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Speaker 3: bringing Levi Bellfield to account. And I interviewed Colin for
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Speaker 3: my documentaries. And the reason I interviewed him was because
16:41
Speaker 3: after he started to get a bit of a name,
16:44
Speaker 3: it turned out the News of the World, when it
16:46
Speaker 3: still existed, the News of the World had said that
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Speaker 3: Colin was looking likely to be leading Operation Grange. And
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Speaker 3: I interviewed Colin about this, and this is in my documentary.
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Speaker 2: And you know, Colin was a.
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Speaker 3: Very senior cop and there's no reason why he should
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Speaker 3: lie what he said to me. And he said that
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Speaker 3: when his name appeared in the news of the world
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Speaker 3: that he may be taking charge of Operation Graine. He
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Speaker 3: was contacted by a very senior officer in the met
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Speaker 3: saying don't do it. And Colin said why And I said, yeah,
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Speaker 3: what did that mean? And he said, because I wouldn't
17:23
Speaker 3: be able to look at the parents an Operation grain
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Speaker 3: started out with the senior officer announcing to the waiting
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Speaker 3: press that neither the parents or the adults who were
17:36
Speaker 3: there would be investigated, and that was the start of
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Speaker 3: the investigation. They Now, anybody knows anything about child protection
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Speaker 3: knows that there is when children go missing, or something
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Speaker 3: happens to a child, there's a high probability it is
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Speaker 3: either the parents, the carers, or adults who have access
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Speaker 3: to that child. And yet the nine adults who around
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Speaker 3: Madeline McCann were ruled out of the investortigation before it
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Speaker 3: even started. So as an investigative journalist, that made absolutely
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Speaker 3: no sense to me whatsoever. So I consider them all complicit.
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Speaker 3: When I say them all, I'm talking about the people
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Speaker 3: behind Operation Grange. I'm talking about all the Prime ministers
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Speaker 3: who enabled it. I'm talking about all the Home secretaries
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Speaker 3: who enabled it, and of course, what these awful people
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Speaker 3: do is they get to retire and they get to
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Speaker 3: go on the book circuit and make an absolute fortune
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Speaker 3: out of the mess that they've left behind. But I
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Speaker 3: have a number of kind of wishes before I leave
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Speaker 3: this mortal coil, and one of them is I want
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Speaker 3: the truth to come out about what happened to Madeline macan.
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Speaker 2: So from Madeline maccan that.
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Speaker 3: Really then took me deeper into the corruptions of Parliament
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Speaker 3: and how it worked, and it became absolutely evident to
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Speaker 3: me that there were pedophiles in Parliament. And so I
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Speaker 3: made probably my most controversial documentary to eight twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 3: and I still get hassle for it. And in fact,
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Speaker 3: I was interviewed by the police, put under a police
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Speaker 3: investigation for six months and they took me to the
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Speaker 3: police station that was featured in Pedophile in Parliament to
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Speaker 3: interrogate me. That kind of gives you an indication, right.
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Speaker 3: The thing is, once you start to speak out about
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Speaker 3: these issues, you're marked.
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely marked.
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Speaker 3: But I don't care, because the point is I have
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Speaker 3: to live with myself and I want my daughter to
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Speaker 3: be proud of me, and she is and that's great,
19:31
Speaker 3: even though sometimes it's scary being an investigative journalist because
19:36
Speaker 3: you get an awful amount of threats talking about ITN
19:40
Speaker 3: perfect example of what happens when you delve too deeply.
19:44
Speaker 3: I was at ITN for eight years, consulting and contributing editor.
19:49
Speaker 3: We had exposed some really important stories, as I say,
19:51
Speaker 3: like the contaminated blood scandal, but I wouldn't keep my
19:55
Speaker 3: mouth shut about C nineteen and the problem it is. ITN,
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Speaker 3: which supplies news to three of the main channels, was
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Speaker 3: deeply indebted to the government for COVID because of course,
20:09
Speaker 3: advertising budgets were right down during twenty twenty, except the
20:13
Speaker 3: budget from government, our money, taxpayers money paying to frighten us. Anyway,
20:20
Speaker 3: one of the bosses said to me, there's a real
20:21
Speaker 3: problem with some of the things that you're saying about
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Speaker 3: C nineteen. I don't know why that is. And so
20:27
Speaker 3: I was basically given an ultimatum. I don't work well
20:30
Speaker 3: with ultimatum. So I basically told them two words. It
20:34
Speaker 3: began with F and the next word began with O.
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Speaker 3: Because I come from that kind of background, strong working
20:42
Speaker 3: class background, where honestly you can say fucking everything's all right,
20:54
Speaker 3: So I started looking into pedophiles in Parliament and there
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Speaker 3: is no place like starting with Margaret that just cabinet
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Speaker 3: for that.
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Speaker 2: I was shocked.
21:04
Speaker 3: I was actually shocked at some of the things I
21:07
Speaker 3: was finding out. And I had also at this point
21:10
Speaker 3: got to know some lads who had been at North
21:13
Speaker 3: Wales care homes, which.
21:14
Speaker 2: Had become very much a feature of it.
21:16
Speaker 3: There was the Jimmy Savell revelations at the end of
21:19
Speaker 3: twenty twelve and that's where everything started to burst open.
21:23
Speaker 3: But isn't it awful how we keep allowing these people
21:26
Speaker 3: to die off before we find out who they are.
21:29
Speaker 3: And I don't think we should continue like that. But
21:31
Speaker 3: I also know how problematic it is. You have, false
21:34
Speaker 3: allegations are a real thing and you have to be
21:36
Speaker 3: careful about that. And there's lots of people online who
21:39
Speaker 3: have now been monetized by dear Elon Musk, who.
21:42
Speaker 2: Spread the most egregious rumors.
21:44
Speaker 3: And I think there's a problem with that, because there
21:47
Speaker 3: are real victims in this world. But to quote Chris Rock,
21:50
Speaker 3: the emergency room is full of people with paper cuts,
21:54
Speaker 3: and I think that's part of the problem. It's a
21:57
Speaker 3: lot of noise and some of it. You have to
21:59
Speaker 3: wonder whether that noise is very deliberate, so we don't
22:02
Speaker 3: actually get to the truth of issues anyway. I'm a
22:06
Speaker 3: lone wolf. I don't move in cliques. I don't do
22:08
Speaker 3: any of that sort of thing. I said to a
22:10
Speaker 3: friend earlier. As soon as I get added to a
22:12
Speaker 3: WHATSAP group, I leave it. And that is because that's
22:16
Speaker 3: the only way that I can do. My job is
22:18
Speaker 3: not to be compromised by anybody. And that's not to
22:22
Speaker 3: say I go around saying is that person the pedo
22:24
Speaker 3: is that I don't do that. But I'm also very
22:26
Speaker 3: aware from how could I not from my work that
22:30
Speaker 3: people hide who they are all the time, and none
22:33
Speaker 3: more so than when you're in government. So I started
22:37
Speaker 3: to look into Peter Farles in Parliament and I was
22:41
Speaker 3: very fortunate I got to speak to brilliant people, lovely
22:45
Speaker 3: Robert Green. I don't know if anybody remembers Robert Green.
22:47
Speaker 3: He was a brilliant campaigner and it was Robert's intention
22:51
Speaker 3: to raise awareness over what had happened to Holly Greg.
22:54
Speaker 2: Holly Greg a little.
22:56
Speaker 3: Down syndrome child, obviously not little or a child anymore,
23:00
Speaker 3: but Robert absolutely maintained, as did Holly and her mum,
23:04
Speaker 3: that she had been extensively abused by members of the
23:06
Speaker 3: Scottish judiciary, including her own family. And I thought what
23:10
Speaker 3: was persuasive about that was that Holly was paid off.
23:14
Speaker 3: And I always find that quite curious, you know, when
23:17
Speaker 3: somebody's paid off. But Robert made its mission to raise
23:22
Speaker 3: awareness to Holly greg and was imprisoned for doing so.
23:26
Speaker 3: Because this job does not come without those kind of
23:29
Speaker 3: problems attached to it. And Robert sadly has now passed passed.
23:33
Speaker 3: I come from them two three years ago, maybe longer.
23:35
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody will correct me, but I live often
23:39
Speaker 3: with a lot of the words that Robert shared with
23:42
Speaker 3: me about how to do this moving forward. And it
23:45
Speaker 3: was Robert who pointed me in the direction of lovely
23:49
Speaker 3: Joan Coleman. And anybody heard of the Rains List, Well,
23:55
Speaker 3: I met Joan Coleman, who compiled it, and she was terrific.
23:58
Speaker 3: In fact, Alex, I see you there, and you had
24:01
Speaker 3: the damn temerity to read the whole thing out, didn't you.
24:04
Speaker 3: I think that deserves a round of Applaus. Actually so,
24:13
Speaker 3: Joan Coleman had compiled this list called the rains List,
24:16
Speaker 3: and it was allegedly a list of people who had
24:21
Speaker 3: apparently been involved in satanic ritual abuse. And Joan in
24:25
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties was so seriously demonized by mainstream media.
24:30
Speaker 3: They said that she was responsible for satanic panic and
24:33
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. Anyway, Robert put me in
24:36
Speaker 3: touch with her, and I talked to her partner and
24:39
Speaker 3: he said, well, she's we don't know how much longer
24:42
Speaker 3: she's got left. Actually, I'm going to talk to her
24:45
Speaker 3: about you. Anyway, who came back to me and said
24:48
Speaker 3: she'd liked to meet you. So I went off to
24:50
Speaker 3: the Surrey Hills met her and she told me how
24:53
Speaker 3: she'd come up with the rains list, and basically she
24:56
Speaker 3: wasn't prepared to add anybody's name to the job. Let
25:00
Speaker 3: me just give you a little bit background about her.
25:02
Speaker 3: Joan's job in the eighties and nineties was often talking
25:06
Speaker 3: to these very troubled children who were being sent to her,
25:11
Speaker 3: and she was dealing with their you know, psychology, what
25:15
Speaker 3: they were going through, and what she was discovering as
25:18
Speaker 3: a lot of these children claim to have been abused
25:22
Speaker 3: in it ritualistically. So she started to write down the
25:25
Speaker 3: names because she realized there was a crossover, and she
25:28
Speaker 3: said that she wouldn't add anybody's name to the RAINS
25:31
Speaker 3: list unless it was corroborated independently by her other patients.
25:37
Speaker 3: So it took a series of patients for each name
25:40
Speaker 3: to be added to the RAINS list. Now I don't
25:42
Speaker 3: ultimately know the veracity.
25:44
Speaker 2: Of it or not.
25:45
Speaker 3: What I know is it exists, and I think it's
25:48
Speaker 3: an interesting document in its own right. I've sought to
25:51
Speaker 3: have it verified, as you can imagine.
25:54
Speaker 2: And I had no.
25:55
Speaker 3: Reason to believe that Joan was a sensational list or
26:00
Speaker 3: doing this for any other reason other than she wanted
26:03
Speaker 3: to protect children. Because Joan was aware that there was
26:06
Speaker 3: a mechanism, an invisible mechanism that is all around us
26:10
Speaker 3: that we're not even aware of. And I really don't
26:12
Speaker 3: want you to be looking for Boogee many and that
26:14
Speaker 3: is not the purpose of why I'm here. I hope
26:16
Speaker 3: to offer some hope. Actually doesn't probably doesn't sound it
26:21
Speaker 3: very much at this moment in time, but nonetheless, so
26:24
Speaker 3: I started trawling through this, and I'd interviewed Joan, and
26:26
Speaker 3: I talked to Robert, and I found out things about
26:29
Speaker 3: Edward Heath and what they said about Edward Heath about
26:32
Speaker 3: how he had these extended hands so we didn't have
26:35
Speaker 3: to personally touch the children. And I was very aware
26:37
Speaker 3: of all of these kind of allegations, and then I
26:40
Speaker 3: became increasingly aware that that Wiltshire Police and Mike Veel
26:44
Speaker 3: were looking into the allegations regarding Edward Heath. And what
26:47
Speaker 3: I found really curious was the way that the establishment,
26:50
Speaker 3: both political and media, piled in on Mike Field, who
26:55
Speaker 3: was in charge of the investigation of EDWARDI Heith for
27:00
Speaker 3: Wiltshire Police.
27:02
Speaker 2: And everybody pardon on him.
27:03
Speaker 3: He had all the newspapers, the Times, the Telegraph, and
27:07
Speaker 3: then you had Keith Faz. Keith fad Faz features quite
27:10
Speaker 3: strongly in my documentary Pedophiles in Parliament, not because I'm
27:14
Speaker 3: suggesting he's a pedophile, because truly I do not need
27:17
Speaker 3: another defamation lawsuit, but because Keith Faz is a thread
27:23
Speaker 3: that runs throughout Parliament while things were happening of great interest.
27:28
Speaker 3: And one of the first things that was interesting to
27:31
Speaker 3: me was that it was Keith Janner who stood up
27:34
Speaker 3: and vouched for Lord Janner when Lord Janner was being
27:37
Speaker 3: accused of abusing boys in Leicester care homes. But also
27:42
Speaker 3: Keith Faz had had his first introduction to Parliament via
27:45
Speaker 3: Lord Janner because Keith Faz was very good friends with
27:48
Speaker 3: Jana's son, so he'd been taken when he was a child.
27:52
Speaker 3: So what happened was Lord Janner was being accused of
27:56
Speaker 3: abusing children in care homes in Leicester and they use
28:01
Speaker 3: this thing called parliamentary privilege, which is an absolute cop out.
28:07
Speaker 3: And what they did was they got Lord Janna to
28:10
Speaker 3: stand up in Parliament and make it. And when they
28:13
Speaker 3: use parliamentary privilege, it means journalis can't then ask them
28:16
Speaker 3: questions about the statement they've made. You just take it
28:18
Speaker 3: and it goes down and that's it is on the record.
28:21
Speaker 3: And he made a statement say and I've been accused
28:23
Speaker 3: of these awful things and it's not true. And it
28:25
Speaker 3: was Keith Vaz who had supported him through that. So
28:28
Speaker 3: when Keith Vaz then appeared and putting pressure on Mike
28:31
Speaker 3: feel I was like, what is wrong with this man?
28:34
Speaker 3: What exactly is wrong with this man? Anyway, but he
28:36
Speaker 3: was far from alone. There were other people involved in
28:38
Speaker 3: it as well.
28:39
Speaker 2: Anyway. By Bitt I began.
28:41
Speaker 3: To realize that actually there's a whole framework, and there
28:43
Speaker 3: be a blackmail. There are people literally impositions of power
28:47
Speaker 3: who make decisions based on their perverse proclivities, and they
28:55
Speaker 3: are compromised, they are blackmailed. But it's so hard to
28:58
Speaker 3: make people believe that, because when you're a decent person,
29:02
Speaker 3: it's very hard to imagine that there are such heenous
29:05
Speaker 3: people in this world. But believe me, there really are.
29:10
Speaker 3: Probably I don't this is probably the wrong audience to
29:13
Speaker 3: have to try and convince, because I'm pretty sure that
29:15
Speaker 3: you're all clued up enough to know that we are
29:18
Speaker 3: dealing with this incredible evil.
29:20
Speaker 2: But it's not all powerful.
29:22
Speaker 3: It's weak, it has vulnerabilities, as we are seeing now
29:26
Speaker 3: with p Diddy, because the problem is all it takes
29:30
Speaker 3: is one person to speak up and then the whole
29:32
Speaker 3: thing cracks. So that's kind of the basis I'm working
29:35
Speaker 3: on right now is if we all keep speaking up
29:38
Speaker 3: as one, keep raising our voices, then hopefully, bit by
29:43
Speaker 3: bit together we can actually protect children. And the most
29:46
Speaker 3: recent attack that I have observed on children is via
29:51
Speaker 3: the whole gender agenda in twenty nineteen. After twenty eighteen
29:56
Speaker 3: we release pedophiles in Parliament, still online all the manner
30:00
Speaker 3: of attacks it's been through, but I stopped. In twenty nineteen.
30:04
Speaker 3: I started working on a documentary which I'm still working on,
30:08
Speaker 3: about the whole trans issue, because it became very clear
30:11
Speaker 3: to me that we had introduced queer theory into schools
30:14
Speaker 3: and our children were being indoctrinated.
30:16
Speaker 2: And I didn't like that at all, not at all.
30:18
Speaker 3: I believe that children should just be and they should
30:21
Speaker 3: have as little interference as humanly possible from adults other
30:25
Speaker 3: than guidance and protection. So I started to look into
30:29
Speaker 3: that more deeply. And as I said, I've been filming
30:31
Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen, but the whole gender agendron, all of
30:35
Speaker 3: it links up, every little bit of it. Because the
30:39
Speaker 3: whole thing is captured. People are compromised. They keep their
30:43
Speaker 3: positions by keeping their mouth shut. I was a major
30:48
Speaker 3: talking head on This Morning ITV for ten years until
30:53
Speaker 3: one day, during.
30:54
Speaker 2: A debate, I went off script.
30:55
Speaker 3: They wanted me there to talk about marks and Spencer sandwiches,
30:58
Speaker 3: rainbow sandwiches, and suddenly I started talking about rape culture
31:03
Speaker 3: that's existing. It went, I said, Google cotton ceiling. It
31:09
Speaker 3: went to the top of the Google charts for the
31:11
Speaker 3: remest of the week.
31:11
Speaker 2: But I lost my job, but I wasn't employed. But
31:15
Speaker 2: I wasn't for ten years. I was talking head.
31:18
Speaker 3: I didn't care because the great thing about the truth
31:21
Speaker 3: is it has its own spirit, right, It keeps you moving,
31:24
Speaker 3: it keeps you moving forward. And so really the reason
31:27
Speaker 3: that I say this office hope is one they ain't
31:30
Speaker 3: got rid of me, right, So I know it is
31:33
Speaker 3: possible to say these things, right. That doesn't mean they won't.
31:36
Speaker 3: I always say, if anything happens to me, I didn't
31:38
Speaker 3: commit suicide and I'm not depressed, right, please bear that
31:41
Speaker 3: in mind. But I believe we're winning. I actually believe
31:46
Speaker 3: we're winning. Now about I don't know, I own about
31:50
Speaker 3: Ten years ago, I met Jonathan Cainer. I don't know
31:52
Speaker 3: if you know Jonathan caner Is. He was a very
31:54
Speaker 3: famous astrology of it is absolutely brilliant and out of
31:57
Speaker 3: just know where. We were at a festival and we
31:59
Speaker 3: got talked suddenly, out of nowhere, in front of everybody,
32:02
Speaker 3: started reading my chart. But one of the things that
32:04
Speaker 3: he said was in the future, everything will be transparent.
32:08
Speaker 3: We will be able to see exactly what's happening, and
32:11
Speaker 3: then we will be able to do something about it,
32:13
Speaker 3: and that's why I believe what we're doing today or
32:15
Speaker 3: coming together. When you come together in a room like this,
32:18
Speaker 3: it creates its own vibration. You know it, the truth vibration.
32:22
Speaker 3: If you hear me say yeah, yes, the truth vibration
32:28
Speaker 3: is a really wonderful thing.
32:30
Speaker 2: You can feel it.
32:31
Speaker 3: It's you know, you feel it on a gut level,
32:33
Speaker 3: which is absolutely wonderful.
32:34
Speaker 2: So I know we're winning.
32:35
Speaker 3: So the next stage, of course, is that now we
32:37
Speaker 3: are because you can't do anything unless you know something exists.
32:41
Speaker 3: But now we have so many brilliant voices who are
32:43
Speaker 3: out there who are prepared to speak up, whether it
32:45
Speaker 3: is injustices in the Middle East, like that man there
32:49
Speaker 3: who has been prepared to do that, whatever the injustice is.
32:51
Speaker 3: If you're prepared to speak up in order to be
32:54
Speaker 3: able to raise awareness, then you are on the winning side.
32:57
Speaker 3: And we lovely people are on the winning side.
33:01
Speaker 2: Thank you.
33:15
Speaker 1: I would hate to dilute that by adding anything to
33:17
Speaker 1: it at all. Energy, integrity and tenacity personified and a
33:23
Speaker 1: standing example of how far you can go when you
33:26
Speaker 1: put your mind to it. Sonya Pulton, that was absolutely sensational.
33:29
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Indeed,