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204 | Wrestlemania 14 - Part 1 · The ExtraCooler Show

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  OK, so 200 episodes. We used Incubus, we've used Run
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  But anyway, welcome to the Extra Cooler show.
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  We are on the Road to WrestleMania this week.
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  We're covering Part 1 of WrestleMania 14.
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  Baby. This one's X-rated, I think.
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  We warned, we warned everyone. This is like technically episode
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  3 in our little miniseries of 1998, like Tyson and all that
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  fun stuff. We're not really going to talk
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  about Tyson today very, very much, if at all, right?
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  It's just I got a little bit makes his appearance, but is it
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  X? Rated DX Rated.
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  Might be DX rated. DX rated wasn't it Rai, Yeah.
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  Yes, yes, it says that on dude on the image, so that like I
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  really do like this logo, like that 3D kind of cube looking
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  logo. It does say X-rated on it like
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  you're rating the joint. So I don't know, I kind of like
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  it. It's kind of cool and and most
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  importantly, they bring this back, man, they're playing this
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  right after the intro pick it out to this really awkward,
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  weird instruction. I'm sure Nick will talk about it
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  in a much more elegant way than I will this classic, so maybe it
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  makes me happy. So I'm going to play it as many
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  times as I can. It's.
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  A good baseball at bat music. Yeah, yeah, take that.
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  Maybe I'll try to sell it to my. 9 year old it's all about the
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  opening salvo in that in that song right like that whatever
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  that noise is there, you get excited and then it kicks in Yep
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  if I. Wasn't so worried about Jim
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  Johnson coming out and reporting us.
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  I would use it for our intro, but.
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  Real quick, real quick on the logo, too.
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  I think it's amazing because it's it's stood the test of time
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  too, right? It still looks great.
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  It looked great then. And it's the great, it's a great
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  blend of like where they're going and where they were.
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  I think like, and that's hard, harder to do than you think.
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  It's easy for them. You know, like WrestleMania
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  2000, they go too far with that, right.
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  But this is like perfectly. Yeah.
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  It's got the classic like they've ditched the gold.
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  It's in the cube. It's a red.
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  The red, the red hits it's it's, it's great.
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  And I think that it's, you know, it really stands out.
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  You know, you see artwork now of like, what's the best WWF
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  WrestleMania logo? And they like list all 42 now or
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  whatever. And this one just stands out
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  among the rest. Oh yeah.
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  Like, the classic ones, of course, are most important.
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  And we've even ripped it off for or show stickers.
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  If anybody wants 1 you can DM me on Instagram.
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  WrestleMania logos, not unlike the Super Bowl logos, have gone
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  downhill. Yeah, yeah, I some of them they
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  are OK, but yes, there's a lot of.
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  Too much. They're too similar.
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  Try too hards. I I think they're try too hards
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  because they do like the the WrestleMania sporting was the
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  Philadelphia like the the Liberty Bell like that.
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  It's a like let's make it less about the city that it's in and
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  more about WrestleMania itself. Yeah, but we're going on a
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  tangent. Let's.
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  as usual, follow us on Instagram at extra cooler and at the extra
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  cooler show. I believe we've got a good
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  amount of housekeeping, so let's get this party started.
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  Well, enough is enough, and it's time for.
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  Housekeeping. All right, we are coming off of
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  our March 1998 DX Mike Tyson episode of Raw and we were
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  without one of our. Our.
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  Ivor series members here. So I'm going to hand it off to
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  Jim as he's going to run down Tom Brandy as the Patriot.
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  No. I'm not going to let us do this.
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  We're not going to talk about Tom Brandy 3 episodes in a row.
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  I'm I'm not. I'm just not.
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  It was wishful thinking, but more importantly, we did.
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  Last week, we did speak about why the New Age Outlaws came out
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  with Marlins T-shirts on and it the fearless leader of the Table
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  Setters baseball podcast, none other than Ace Field Retro,
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  former alumni of the Extra Cooler show.
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  We can go back in the archives and he came on and we covered
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  the Buried Alive match, one of the Buried Alive matches with
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  Mankind and Undertaker. But Ace came out and told us
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  that this is 1998, right? And the 1997 World Series was
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  the Marlins against the Indians, the then Indians.
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  So they were coming out for cheap heat just trying to come
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  out with the Marlins shirts on. That's why it said the Indians
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  suck. Yeah, on their on their backs
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  there's. Such a classic wrestling thing
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  to do it's amazing, but it's also how many months late and
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  after the fact like. It ends in October, right?
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  So November, December, January, March, we're five months
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  removed. Classic.
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  Wrestling move. And they're, yeah, they're just
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  trying to just good for them though.
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  But yeah, good for them. So the next piece, the one that
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  we actually talked about being being housekeeping here, Nick, I
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  know you reached out to the one and only wrestling for sale
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  about the Rocks T-shirt last week.
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  We were talking about it was a plain black T-shirt and it just
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  in pink writing said The Rock on it.
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  And I'd love to know what you were able to dig up.
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  So I shouldn't send them the picture?
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  Ask them about it? If he knew anything about it.
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  I I'm going to quote him probably.
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  I said hey, do you know anything about this shirt?
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  Was it ever sold? Probably.
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  Honestly I effing hate him. I never bought a solo rock T and
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  then I went on to ask him. He said that's the most generic
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  dumb shirt. He ruins wrestling every time it
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  gets hot. He needs to leave forever.
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  Wow. Ed coming in hot.
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  I like it. Yeah, I'm here for it, Mikey's.
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  Spitting mad over there. So mad.
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  Ed is also an alumni of the Extra Cooler show.
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  We interviewed him in one of the Hanging with Mr. Cooler episodes
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  way back. You can go back and check that
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  one out too. Wow.
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  You should redo Hogan versus Rock with Ted.
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  I just want to hear that. Yeah.
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  So. That's fun.
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  I was under the impression that Mikey Workrate had the first
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  Rock T-shirt that they sold, but I.
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  Think he had the first one, the actual first one that was for
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  sale. Mass marketed, yeah, yeah, I.
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  Believe I did. Yeah.
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  This. One was probably made in like
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  rocks basement or something. Yeah, I need AT shirt.
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  I also don't think that one was ever sold.
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  No, I don't believe so. Too bad, I like it.
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  Peter Myvia probably was helping him.
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  Like screen print five of them. I like whatever gets the job
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  done, man, at this at this point, we're trying to climb the
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  ranks and whatever gets the job done.
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  So last piece of housekeeping, I know there was a lot.
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  I'll try to burn through this one, but we talked about how Rd.
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  Dogg was saying that Michael Cole looked like Todd Pettengill
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  in the last episode and it was brought up and asked about what
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  the timeline was for Todd Pettengill in 1998.
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  So I actually went through and went back and tried to find the
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  Todd Pettengill timeline here. And he made his WWF debut as a
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  host of Saturday morning program WWF Mania on January 9th, 1993.
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  And then his last appearance was actually at Ground Zero in your
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  house, September 7th, 1997. So he was officially out of the
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  company, his last appearance for quite some time.
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  I mean, he makes some appearances after this kind of
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  further down the line, but the Todd Pettengill run for the most
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  part was up by March of 1990. Wow.
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  So there are two ships passing in the night cold, yeah.
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  At the end of the day, he would probably end up on the Mount
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  Rushmore of European collars. He's got that real.
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  Yeah. PLJ.
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  What rate do you remember the radio PLJ?
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  95.5 is that right? Yeah.
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  All right. Childhood phone numbers in
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  childhood radio station. Yeah, it would.
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  Have been a good host of the Nickelodeon show.
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  Nick Arcade, Yeah. Yeah, just for a little
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  housekeeping, we did cover one of Pennigill's last pay per
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  views. So SummerSlam 97, he's giving
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  away the car with Sunny with the keys or whatever the heck is
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  going on. They call a couple people,
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  they're like, no, he's. Even on the cover of that
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  episode art so him and Sunny are are.
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  Very good. It's easy to find if you just
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  scroll on through. And actually, I do have to say a
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  caveat to the last appearance for him.
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  It was actually just a voiceover for a promo package about the
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  Patriot at Ground Zero in. Your sitting.
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  That was that was the last hurrah and wait.
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  Was it house? You didn't have to do with Tom
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  Brandy. We start with Tom Brandy and we
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  end with. That's it, Brandy.
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  What's that? That's it.
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  That's beautiful. All right.
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  So I guess mine's kind of housekeeping that I have, but we
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  can start this with the homework.
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  So just to recap our last two episodes, we covered Tyson
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  showing up on Monday Night Raw, then we covered a few weeks
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  after that in March leading up to WrestleMania 14, Mike Tyson
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  joining Degeneration X. But my housekeeping is kind of
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  some interesting things about Tyson along the way.
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  I found out that Mike Tyson was paid $3.5 million for these
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  appearances right leading up. He was on like what, 2 Raws and
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  Mania and a few things before that's that is absolutely.
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  Why? It was a thermal worker, yes.
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  3.5 S again, he's trying to like, you know, build back his
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  image. Another thing, Don King that we
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  didn't talk about, Don King and Mike Tyson were splitting at the
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  time. They had just kind of broken up
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  after this. This is after the ear biting
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  incident. But really the main thing that I
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  found out that was interesting, two things.
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  Shane was in charge of Mike Tyson.
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  He was Mike Tyson's kind of his handler.
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  And then on top of that, part of the reason why Vince was here
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  was A to get it mainstream because Mike Tyson was like the
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  big pop culture name, but also Vince was interested in taking
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  over the managerial reigns of Mike Tyson, which just yeah,
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  which which tracks. But like, could you imagine what
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  would have happened if that that went down like that?
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  I. Mean man, Vince obviously thinks
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  he's the best promoter in the world and there's a chance that
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  you he can be part of that conversation with Don King as
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  well. But I just man anything outside
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  of WWF like or flats like right The world, yeah, WBF, the World
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  Bodybuilding Federation, the XFL like.
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  It's pretty XFL though, so he's still yeah himself.
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  And Vince is as much as we say Vince is like this mega sleaze
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  bag now, at the end of the day, you have to believe that if
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  Vince took this over, he would have been smart enough to have
• 13:09
  handed it over to someone to like let it go type thing and
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  let them kind of take, you know, like quietly thing.
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  I don't know. I don't know.
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  Think about the draw that Mike Tyson was like, you know, was Oh
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  yeah, in time he was at the tip of everyone's tongue.
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  You we've got the invader Holyfield biting incident.
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  You've got rape charges. You've got all these other
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  things that are, you know, putting him in the front of the
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  media for better or for worse. And he's a polarizing human
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  being. I mean, it's only going to get
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  more with, you know, things that are much more light hearted.
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  Thankfully, at this point when we get to like the hangover and.
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  Hangover. Do and like all this crazy stuff
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  that comes along with Mike Tyson and now it's now I think he's
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  got, you know, THC shoes I think as well.
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  Yeah, like ears. I think it was the Jimmy Kimmel
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  show, like the first week of that when it first came out.
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  I think Mike Tyson was like the guest host all week.
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  Do you remember this? Yes, like 2003 or O4 and Mike
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  Tyson was like a revelation like on TV like.
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  Yeah, he like. Leaned into the funny, you know.
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  Vince sees money signs, man. He.
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  Was on one of those roasts. Yeah.
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  I forget who's roast it was, but.
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  Yeah, I wonder if Vince gets takes over the managerial duties
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  of Mike Tyson if the XFL never happens.
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  Not like that. You know, whatever that's.
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  Yeah, it's such a ripple effect, but as you as you guys already
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  know, we're covering WrestleMania 14 takes place
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  March 29th, 1998 from Boston, MA.
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  The venue is the Fleet Center and it fits almost a little over
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  19,000 people in it. So the, again, like we said, it
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  is promoted as WrestleMania DX Rated.
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  This is the 14th WrestleMania. There's eight matches on it.
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  We're breaking this down in two parts.
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  Some interesting quick little tidbits.
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  This is the first WrestleMania of the Attitude Era, but it's
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  also the first WrestleMania event since 1986 to not feature
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  Bret Hart, which is pretty wild when you think about it.
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  They're still like kind of, which, again, we probably would
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  have not gotten here had it not been for Bret Hart.
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  And you know, everything that went down with the Montreal
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  Screwjob a few months prior. But that's a lot of
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  Wrestlemanias when you think about it.
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  So 2 through 13. Wow.
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  Yeah, 2 through 13 and it's the first WrestleMania without a a
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  what? Brett or Hogan?
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  Yeah, double whammy there. That's interesting.
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  Well, it goes straight into, you know, the making of of Austin.
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  I guess you can argue 13 was a big deal with, you know, with
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  Brett and the you. Could say they're passing the
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  baton there. Yeah, 100%.
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  Oh, yeah. And they're, they're really
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  playing into that. So right off, right off the bat,
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  the video package opens up and it highlights talent throughout
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  the generations and the spectacle that is WrestleMania
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  that not only Vince has created, but his father started some 50
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  years ago. In my opinion, the package is
• 16:12
  fine. It's not one of my favorites,
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  but it basically highlights the the turn to the new Attitude Era
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  and. Yeah, I don't know.
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  It felt too, it felt too serious, too on the nose.
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  It's. The sexy bagpipe, that's what.
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  I was, yeah. Yeah.
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  The background music doesn't fit.
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  I think Vince was probably feeling nostalgic coming off of
• 16:36
  his mother's passing, right a a few weeks prior.
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  I think. Mike, you sent the link
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  recently. Was that real?
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  I didn't even look into it was. Crying on the floor.
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  When falling are you falling for AI slop again Vince Vince crying
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  on the floor video. There's no video of him.
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  It's like somebody's recollection.
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  Oh, OK. So I did pull the audio from it.
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  I'm not going to play the whole thing because I went all in, of
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  course, as I always do, and it's 42 seconds long.
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  But I just want you were talking about the the music and the tone
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  that it was setting. We're talking so much about it
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  that just going to play a couple of seconds.
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  The first temptation is to say that tradition has abandoned
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  WrestleMania, that this grand spectacle, this enticing blend
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  of celebrity and athleticism has been taken hostage by a new
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  generation of Rose. I think that's enough.
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  But that mission of rogues, like, all right, cool.
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  They're trying to set the tone. They're trying to talk about
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  this transition that's inevitably happening.
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  The attitude error is upon us and all that jazz.
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  But I don't know, man. It just felt too on the nose.
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  It felt too serious to an extent to me.
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  I don't know, I just. Didn't enjoy it.
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  The tone changes quite shortly though.
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  So the tone changes shortly and I was trying to figure this out.
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  So when you go on to Netflix and you watch this or Peacock, or if
• 17:56
  you watched it on the network, it's probably the same way when
• 17:59
  you watch it, it the video clip airs, right?
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  And then it immediately goes to Jr. and they're playing the
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  nation of dominations. Music.
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  And I'm like, and I'm sitting there and I don't know when it
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  aired, but this something's missing, right?
• 18:15
  It just feels like too quick. There's no introduction,
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  nothing. And then I'm like, oh, they
• 18:21
  didn't do America the Beautiful. They always do America the
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  Beautiful at WrestleMania. So then I remember this is a big
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  DX night. And as we see later in the
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  night, you've got the DX Band, but they cut out the DX Bands
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  rendition of America the Beautiful and.
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  For good reason. Yeah, you know, it's just not
• 18:46
  there. So, like, if you're really
• 18:47
  interested in listening to this or if you enjoyed, if you
• 18:51
  enjoyed the Kid Rock halftime show at this year's Super Bowl,
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  I recommend you go back and listen because this is probably
• 18:57
  something you would enjoy. Sorry, I had to.
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  It also includes Jim Johnson doing his best Tom Morello
• 19:06
  guitar impression, which I did watch.
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  It's it's it's awful. You have audio of it.
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  Right, you have audio of it. I have the if you.
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  Forget what this sounds like. It is it.
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  It's it's got to be the worst rendition of American Beautiful
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  I've ever heard. It's it's, it's a thing.
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  It's it's unique. This isn't even the bad one.
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  We're so proud of you they have at the Twilight.
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  And that's not even the worst part.
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  The end is. There's some redeeming qualities
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  in that baseline in the groove. I kind of like that part.
• 20:02
  I can do without the fake Zach de la Rocha over the top of it.
• 20:06
  And but that guy is so bad, he's so 90s.
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  I I can't take him. He looks like he got shit out of
• 20:13
  like the clerk movie or something like that.
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  Kevin Smith's product. I like it.
• 20:17
  Yeah, He. Oh.
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  My he literally backwards Kangol style hat they.
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  They are an exact like they are a RIP off of Rage Against the
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  machine. It is the worst thing I've ever
• 20:28
  heard. The the the and you kind of get
• 20:31
  it it. It makes perfect sense if you've
• 20:33
  ever listened to Rage. Machine.
• 20:35
  I'm a Napster, guys. The DX song was always by Rage
• 20:39
  Against the Machine. I got it exactly.
• 20:41
  Yes. And remember, didn't people
• 20:43
  think cuz this poor bastard with a big nose, people used to say
• 20:47
  that it was your gorgeous? Brother, I don't know if I ever
• 20:52
  heard that. One that was like 1.
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  Of the rumors. I remember hearing probably on
• 20:56
  like Raja. Oh my God, hilarious.
• 20:59
  But I love, and I have to point out that the crowd gets on them
• 21:03
  instantly, just starts booing them right out the gate like the
• 21:06
  first time. That they can you say, yeah,
• 21:08
  that's. The exact guy comes out and
• 21:10
  opens his mouth. It's like Boo Boo and this is
• 21:14
  Boston Socks. This isn't this.
• 21:17
  Isn't a crowd that is usually very kind, no.
• 21:21
  Doesn't it say that they're he's they're gonna sing both songs?
• 21:25
  Yes, it is. Don't know, right?
• 21:27
  National anthem and they only played this one.
• 21:29
  And I read an article somewhere, not an article, but I think it
• 21:32
  was one of those like you gotta click the 12 slide, like click
• 21:36
  date bullshit. I actually went through one of
• 21:38
  those and somebody said that Vince McMahon absolutely loved
• 21:42
  this, Like, oh God, loved it. And it's, I think, I think it's
• 21:45
  appropriate that we play another 22nd clip of this because Jr.
• 21:49
  encapsulates the vibe and the and just everything about it in
• 21:53
  the very end and how he transitioned.
• 21:55
  So let's listen. Only in the USA in the WWM can
• 22:09
  there be this type of freedom of expression.
• 22:12
  Listen, this is WrestleMania 14. Let.
• 22:18
  Me tell you, the sound of that crowd, they did not like that,
• 22:21
  no. Vicious booze.
• 22:24
  Benny's like smiling and stuff the whole time, like they're
• 22:27
  like. Do you think they like?
• 22:29
  Did you think they didn't like it because DX was such mega
• 22:32
  heels combined with the fact that it sounded like ass?
• 22:35
  I think it sounded like ass. I think that's got to be it.
• 22:37
  Like people, people like, even at that point, people were
• 22:39
  trained to like, like the Roseanne clip was already like a
• 22:43
  thing like Sports Center would. Show the top 10.
• 22:45
  Worst national anthems, right? So I think this was like, it's
• 22:49
  like offensively bad too. It's America.
• 22:55
  He's like. Oh God, we can talk about this
• 22:57
  guy way too much. Let's let's move on.
• 22:59
  So again, again, it's really weird when you rewatch it and it
• 23:04
  goes from the intro to WrestleMania and the first thing
• 23:07
  you hear is the. Nation.
• 23:08
  Domination. Music like instantly before Jr.
• 23:11
  even says a word, and Farooq and Kamal Mustafa are making their
• 23:15
  way down for the 15 team battle Royale to determine the number
• 23:20
  one contender for the WWF Tag Team Championship, which it.
• 23:24
  Yeah. Which is held by the New Age
• 23:26
  Outlaws, The. Biggest currently in the ring
• 23:28
  situation of all time here. It's like.
• 23:31
  Yeah, you figure. So out of the 15 teams, you've
• 23:34
  got 13 of them already in the ring.
• 23:37
  Not a good sign. No, it's it is not good on the
• 23:41
  night. We've got Jim Ross and Jerry the
• 23:43
  King Lawler on commentary. This is and and I'm sure we're
• 23:48
  going to talk about it a lot, but this is the era of Junior
• 23:51
  and King that I like. It's not played out.
• 23:54
  It's like it feels fresh at times and it's entertaining.
• 23:58
  It's not over the top and forced, but they're selling it
• 24:02
  as that we know 14 teams, even though I don't know half of
• 24:05
  these teams. They're not even real teams,
• 24:07
  which we can get to in a second. But the the the night begins it
• 24:14
  they're selling it as a mystery entrant and we hear oh, what a
• 24:19
  rush followed by some weird new music and outcomes the the newly
• 24:25
  reunited Legion of Doom. Like we said on last week's
• 24:28
  episode, they were broken up and attacking each other on raw.
• 24:33
  But now we've got LOD 2000 with their new manager and valet,
• 24:39
  Sunny, who is smoking hot right now.
• 24:42
  Like, I mean, she's got the, you know, if you've seen this, she's
• 24:46
  got the flame gear on her top and the whole tassel's on her
• 24:50
  bottom. It's.
• 24:52
  Barely covering her too, it just looks like she's got some thong
• 24:55
  on. And then there's these.
• 24:56
  Like it looks like a loincloth almost, but the loincloth is
• 24:59
  shredded. Like I think that's the easiest
• 25:01
  way for me to explain, but metallic.
• 25:02
  Loincloth. Yeah, yeah, Metallic loincloth.
• 25:05
  It but and and so back to LOD 2000 they're they've got a whole
• 25:10
  refreshed gear man, and it's like it's cheesy, but I kind of
• 25:15
  like it. It's weird.
• 25:16
  It it's weird. They have like the shoulder
• 25:18
  pads. Only one side of the shoulder
• 25:21
  pads has spikes on it. It's like airbrush shoulder pads
• 25:24
  as well. They have shin guards and
• 25:27
  forearm guards. I don't know, it's kind of cool.
• 25:31
  Animal has they both have new haircuts.
• 25:36
  Animal has the the short tights on as well.
• 25:40
  I don't know, it's it's pretty bad ass if you ask me.
• 25:43
  Wow, I didn't expect you to have that take, I Hawk.
• 25:46
  Hawk has like the old school Rd. Warriors face paint.
• 25:49
  Yeah, yeah, I did enjoy that. But I just, I don't know, man.
• 25:53
  It felt like this was again, kind of the same vibes of the
• 25:57
  intro. This feels very forced.
• 25:59
  I don't know. I mean, it gets a huge pop.
• 26:01
  Of course it is. And you have, you know, it's
• 26:03
  called the Road Warrior pop for a reason, right?
• 26:05
  You get that. But exponentially on top of
• 26:08
  that, you get the sunny pop on it as well.
• 26:11
  Oh yeah, we talked about what Sunny's looking like here and
• 26:14
  that classic like you think of the Sunny gear and that that
• 26:19
  flame gear like it instantly comes into your head if you are
• 26:22
  a, you know, a wrestling fan from this era.
• 26:25
  But it. I think I think it goes hand in
• 26:27
  hand with like everything that's going on right now.
• 26:29
  Like if you talked to me probably five years ago when we
• 26:32
  first started this podcast, I may have dumped all over their
• 26:35
  gear, but to me now I'm looking at them like, you know what?
• 26:39
  It's kind of cool. Like here's the tag team that up
• 26:41
  until this point, when they were the Road Warriors and they had
• 26:44
  the black shoulder pads, then they reinvented themselves with
• 26:47
  the red shoulder pads, they never really did much to change
• 26:50
  themselves. And that's kind of why Vince.
• 26:52
  Had gold in Summer Slam 219. Yes, yes, but that was like a
• 26:56
  one off essentially. Like they never really evolved
• 27:01
  as a team, right? That's why they tried to split
• 27:04
  them up. It didn't work.
• 27:05
  They put them back together. They tried this obviously that
• 27:09
  bus because you know, they're they're past their prime.
• 27:12
  But like you look at the way that the Undertaker, for
• 27:15
  example, evolved over his career, this is like an example
• 27:19
  of giving it a try. And I don't know.
• 27:21
  That's the problem though. They didn't give it a try.
• 27:23
  Like I, I agree. I like in I'm like watching
• 27:25
  this. I'm like, whoa, at least I kind
• 27:27
  of like like the helmets. I think they're kind of cool.
• 27:29
  I don't love the haircuts. I don't like.
• 27:30
  No, the haircuts is weird. Yeah, if they kept those
• 27:32
  haircuts, I think, but they can make them obliterate people, but
• 27:36
  they'd really don't push them. And what's the really your big
• 27:39
  take away? Aside from Sunny here, my take
• 27:42
  away from the LOD 2000 is like Hawk coming down the aisle drunk
• 27:45
  with one helmet on and like falling off the titantron later.
• 27:49
  That's like LOD 2000 in a nutshell.
• 27:51
  But but this was I remember her being like really into this when
• 27:55
  it first happened. If you're ever going to pull
• 27:57
  this off and do it and try it, it's at WrestleMania with Sony,
• 28:00
  like Matt said. And especially all these
• 28:02
  jabronis. Oh my God, can I run?
• 28:05
  Can I run through the other teams in this match?
• 28:08
  So again, there, it's a 15 team battle Royale.
• 28:10
  There's thirty men in here. We got one team of Savio, Vega
• 28:14
  and Miguel. We've got Mark Henry and Tilo.
• 28:18
  We've got to also say the odds of winning Savio and Miguel's
• 28:22
  like +5000. You got the Quebecers, which we
• 28:26
  spoke about on the last episode, and they're like WCW version.
• 28:31
  You got Rick and and Ricky and Robert Rock'n'roll Express.
• 28:35
  You've got Jose and Jesus, the Los Bariquas.
• 28:38
  They might. Have B team, yeah.
• 28:42
  You got the Headbangers, You've got Scott Taylor and Brian
• 28:45
  Christopher. Who?
• 28:46
  Are not. Really too cool right now at the
• 28:49
  point you've got truth Commission, the Godwins.
• 28:51
  Godwins are probably like the the number two team, number
• 28:55
  three team in here, Skullen 8 Ball, Farook and Comma like we
• 28:59
  mentioned. And then this is where it gets
• 29:02
  weird. Chains and Bradshaw are a team.
• 29:07
  What is Crush must have been hurt.
• 29:10
  Crush is gone. He's gone, right?
• 29:12
  Is he with the company at all? No.
• 29:14
  Or is he over at WC? WI think he's in WCW so it's
• 29:17
  like a headless DOA. And then you've got.
• 29:21
  Give me away from these losers. Then you've got the last team,
• 29:25
  the new Midnight Express. Jesus Christ, we can't get away
• 29:27
  from this N.W.A version where you've got Bodacious Barton,
• 29:31
  Bombastic Bob. Yes, that's Bart Gunn and Bob
• 29:36
  Holly and they they're. Dog shit you were talking about
• 29:39
  too cool. Scott Taylor and Brian
• 29:41
  Christopher, they were called too much.
• 29:44
  That's. Too much, Yes.
• 29:45
  Oh, you're. Right too.
• 29:46
  Much and even at shocker and surprise and spoiler alert they
• 29:50
  get eliminated and Jerry Lawler on commentary dogs on Scott
• 29:55
  Taylor for why did Brian Christopher pick him but this
• 29:59
  thing is. A couple months away from the
• 30:02
  the head and it had shoulders so.
• 30:05
  I'll give, I'll give anyone, I'll Venmo you 50 bucks right
• 30:08
  now. If you can tell me the two names
• 30:10
  of the Truth Commission members in this match right now, I have
• 30:14
  them. Is it?
• 30:18
  Am I? Right.
• 30:19
  Yes, you're correct Recon. I have them actually next to my
• 30:22
  notes because things get weird in this match.
• 30:27
  So the rules are. Double O nothing.
• 30:28
  How do you spell Recon? I have it in front.
• 30:31
  Recon, OH. I think it's REKOD.
• 30:34
  Let's see they unalized. It on Wikipedia it had it listed
• 30:38
  as ACI. Don't know how.
• 30:40
  I was just pulled out of my ass. So the the rules in this battle
• 30:44
  royal are if your partner gets eliminated, you are eliminated.
• 30:48
  So start things off you. It is pure chaos when there's
• 30:52
  thirty men in the ring and they're tag teams.
• 30:55
  We get Kurgan coming down. He's not in the match.
• 30:58
  He's he's he's getting revenge on Sniper and Recon eliminates
• 31:02
  them on behalf of a Jackal. Mikey, I I feel like you don't
• 31:06
  even see this happen. There's so much going on.
• 31:09
  Yeah. You get a good sound effect.
• 31:10
  Mikey, can you do it for us? We don't.
• 31:15
  Even at one point, Barry Windham comes down.
• 31:18
  Make that. I think we need to chop that up
• 31:20
  and put that at the new engine. Hard to make it more work for
• 31:23
  you, but. I think he does that at the
• 31:25
  Royal Rumble as. Well, yes he does.
• 31:27
  It's. Go to thing.
• 31:28
  It is. Barry Windham comes down.
• 31:31
  He illegally enters the match to eliminate chains.
• 31:35
  Well, like, who gives a shit? Right.
• 31:37
  Yeah, right. Barry Windham.
• 31:39
  Chains is the new partner. Of Brad, Yeah.
• 31:42
  What do you care more about? Like who gives a?
• 31:44
  Fun. What do you care more about
• 31:45
  Barry Windham in 1998? Or chains.
• 31:49
  I don't care about either. Exactly, but I was.
• 31:51
  Trying to set the record of like shitty tag team partners like in
• 31:55
  the year. Well, apparently.
• 31:59
  Wait, wait. DOA must.
• 32:00
  Sorry, go ahead. No, DOA must have some dirt on
• 32:03
  Vince because the final four teams here are the Godwins and
• 32:07
  DOA. 8 ball eliminates Phineas Godwin, which means the Godwins
• 32:13
  are eliminated. LOD then comes back.
• 32:15
  I'm sorry, Godwins come back in the match.
• 32:17
  They try and attack LOD 2000 with slop buckets.
• 32:20
  They leave. Midnight Express and LOD 2000
• 32:25
  are the final two teams in this match.
• 32:29
  Oh my God. They try to keep Animal out of
• 32:31
  the ring while double teaming Hawk, but Animal re enters the
• 32:34
  ring. LLD 2000 simultaneously
• 32:37
  eliminates Bombastic, Bart and Bodacious or whatever Bob.
• 32:42
  Whatever their names are, LOD 2000 is the winner.
• 32:45
  They've earned their shot at the WWF Tag Team Championship.
• 32:50
  You had it right. It was bodacious Bart and
• 32:52
  bombastic Bob. Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:54
  That's a tongue twister. For me it was.
• 32:55
  Steve Blackman in this match. Dude, what's your name?
• 32:58
  No, it should be. Chris.
• 33:00
  Sworn Chris, sworn I saw him in there.
• 33:02
  No, that was Kerrigan. It was Kerrigan.
• 33:07
  How funny is it that Bart gun what a 2 WrestleMania run he
• 33:11
  has? He eats shit in the worst battle
• 33:13
  royal of all time at this 114 and then he gets his clock
• 33:16
  cleaned by Butterbee. And butterbee is.
• 33:19
  That is that the worst two. He's got to be Wrestlemanias in
• 33:22
  a row. I know he's in the finals of the
• 33:23
  battle royal here, but that's like the biggest loser.
• 33:25
  They have like for. For those of you that may not
• 33:27
  remember and you don't want to the Midnight Express like 2000,
• 33:32
  they might as well have been called the Midnight Express 2.
• 33:34
  1000. That's a good point.
• 33:35
  The 2 Midnight Express. Blue royal blue tights with like
• 33:40
  what? Gold lightning bolts and stars
• 33:42
  on them I. Kind of like the.
• 33:43
  Trunks I I kind of like them too.
• 33:46
  They look cool but the team is awful awful and plus they're
• 33:49
  attached to. Jim.
• 33:50
  Barnett so. Yeah, too bad they chose 2
• 33:53
  scrubs. Real quick, give it cans in the
• 33:55
  cooler. 1.5 cans. Meltzer gives it -1.5.
• 34:01
  Wow. That's harsh.
• 34:02
  Come. On World Warrior Pop, where does
• 34:05
  Mikey work rate rank this battle royal on a scale of, you know,
• 34:09
  the drizzling shits to having to watch Stu and Helen do the
• 34:12
  Watusi? Where do you rank that?
• 34:13
  That's like bad or horrendous? Oh yeah?
• 34:17
  Well, it depends on how you feel about the Watusi.
• 34:20
  Yeah, the Watusi, I mean, depends how they're doing it.
• 34:25
  Wow, it's it's. When they conceived Bruce art,
• 34:30
  it's that time. OK, in that case, that's
• 34:33
  probably towards the end of the battle Royale.
• 34:38
  It's not good. Let's move on.
• 34:40
  Not so good. All right, so nobody's going
• 34:42
  higher than it too towards. The bottom of.
• 34:44
  Sunny Bell. Sunny Sunny and the LOD pop in
• 34:47
  the beginning makes it a little bit entertaining and honestly.
• 34:52
  Twisted steel and sex appeal. I thought she was going to say
• 34:54
  that at the end. I guess that's on Raw.
• 34:55
  And then next episode, remember, that was her little line.
• 34:59
  Yeah, we get a little a little rundown of the weekends,
• 35:04
  festivities and. DX public workout.
• 35:09
  Yeah, public workout, Philbin. 911, yeah.
• 35:13
  Awesome. So this whole thing, this whole
• 35:17
  thing is really interesting. I heard they were talking about
• 35:20
  on something to Wrestle with, how obviously, like we all know
• 35:23
  it's beaten to death. Sean was a real pain in the ass
• 35:26
  to work with. You know, he, Conrad asks
• 35:30
  Pritchard how much of a pain was Sean to work at on a scale of 1
• 35:34
  to 10 at this time. And he called him a 9.5.
• 35:37
  Sean was basically like refusing to come out.
• 35:40
  So like they were, we're going to talk about it more probably,
• 35:44
  but they were basically just trying to do anything to get to
• 35:48
  handing the title over to Austin because Michaels was so jacked
• 35:52
  up with his back. But we'll talk about that more
• 35:55
  in part too. But anyway, Shawn basically did
• 35:57
  not want to do this whole like the public workout thing and the
• 36:01
  whole public workout thing. The reason why they were doing
• 36:03
  this was just to get the end shot, the shot that we all know
• 36:06
  and we've all seen a million times.
• 36:08
  And it's, you know, Shawn on one side and Tyson on the other,
• 36:12
  other side of Austin while he's tied up in the ropes, kissing
• 36:15
  him on his head. And apparently Sean was like,
• 36:19
  no, no, no. And last minute as like, DX came
• 36:23
  out, he like, joined in with them and hopped in the ring.
• 36:27
  Yeah, yeah. Pritchard even talks about
• 36:29
  getting kicked in the head, like as Sean enters the ring because
• 36:32
  he was so pissed off at him. Yeah.
• 36:35
  Interesting. This thing was cool.
• 36:36
  I thought it was cool back in the day.
• 36:37
  I was like, oh, what is? This thing you're doing right?
• 36:39
  And they, so they, they apparently they accounted for
• 36:42
  again, and this is probably an exaggeration, but they accounted
• 36:44
  for like 2000 people showing up and it was something like 14,000
• 36:48
  people showed up to the IT. Looks slammed.
• 36:53
  But that just shows you what's going on in pro wrestling at the
• 36:55
  time. Man blowing up Friday.
• 36:58
  So that was Thursday. Friday we get Austin on Regis
• 37:00
  and Kathy Lee. Regis has a Regis 911 shirt on.
• 37:06
  He's petting Austin's bald head. This is like becoming a theme of
• 37:09
  this build to WrestleMania. Like nobody's ever seen a bald
• 37:12
  man in wrestling. Before.
• 37:15
  Yeah, it's strange, right? Especially if it's like, you
• 37:17
  know, Michael Jordan's only been doing his thing for.
• 37:19
  Right. So imagine this, you're
• 37:21
  promoting Thursday with DX and Austin, Friday with Austin on
• 37:26
  Regis and and Kathy Lee. Then Saturday we get a visit to
• 37:29
  the kids company and it's no longer than Flash Funk.
• 37:33
  Really lent the talent out for the hits.
• 37:35
  Wow, thanks. Thanks, Vince.
• 37:37
  That's so generous of you couldn't have given us bombastic
• 37:41
  Bart or bombastic Bob or anything.
• 37:43
  I think I would have chose flash funk over.
• 37:45
  There we need, we need someone for the kids company, damn it.
• 37:49
  Hey, Funk Flash. What the fuck is your name?
• 37:58
  Sable then then Saturday night sables at a bar with Mark Marrow
• 38:02
  like signing autographs and there's avip dinner and it's
• 38:06
  like all like, you know, C level.
• 38:09
  Talent there looks like the what's it called?
• 38:11
  The Cheesecake Factory. Oh God.
• 38:18
  All right, so before we move on, what's in everybody's cooler for
• 38:21
  this WrestleMania Part 1? We've only talked about the
• 38:24
  battle Royals, so let's get through this guy.
• 38:28
  I got some rose in, you know, some rose from Italy in, you
• 38:34
  know, in honor of Tom Brandy. All right.
• 38:37
  Beautiful. So we've talked about the beer
• 38:41
  wrench before, Industrial arts brewing here in Beacon, NY.
• 38:46
  So they, I think I talked about them recently with their Irish
• 38:49
  stout, but they just did a collaboration with Jim's
• 38:52
  favorite brewery, Other Half, and it's called Nuggy Nun Mum
• 38:58
  Nuggy. It is awesome.
• 39:00
  It is phenomenal. I stopped by the brewery and I
• 39:03
  saw this. It is like worth going out of
• 39:06
  your way to get it if you are in the Beacon, NY area.
• 39:08
  Highly recommend it has this. It's got like other half art
• 39:12
  style. Oh yeah, totally.
• 39:13
  And it's all hops drawn on the purple can very very other half
• 39:18
  influence for sure. And seven point 7.0 on on the on
• 39:24
  the alcohol. Here, but the Green City skit.
• 39:26
  Number. Yeah, it's it's tremendous.
• 39:28
  It it actually reminds me a lot of a little bit more hop forward
• 39:32
  Green city. That's a really good cop to kind
• 39:34
  of talk through, but it has the smoothness of a wrench, but it
• 39:38
  has that hop forward punch you in the face that other half
• 39:41
  delivers. It is phenomenal.
• 39:43
  I highly recommend. Make me thirsty for one of
• 39:45
  those. So I just have a Stella right
• 39:51
  now and I'm almost done with it because this podcast is making
• 39:55
  me thirsty. All that battle royal talk.
• 39:58
  I've got a mihende tequila shocker.
• 40:03
  All right. Takamichinoku versus Aguila.
• 40:08
  So does anybody know who Aguila is?
• 40:10
  Nope. SA Rios.
• 40:12
  It is SA Rios. Yeah, it it.
• 40:15
  He looks like psychosis here, but it's SA Rios underneath he.
• 40:18
  Looks very much like psychosis. Yeah, yeah, he looks.
• 40:21
  Smaller here, you know. SA Rios is always a little
• 40:25
  portlier. Not fat, but just thicker.
• 40:27
  That's who Lita was with when. He Yeah, Yeah, she debuted.
• 40:30
  Yeah, the red hair. Yeah, Yep.
• 40:33
  So this is a singles match for the Light Heavyweight
• 40:36
  championship. It's WWFS version of the
• 40:39
  cruiserweight title. Man, this is weird.
• 40:44
  Aguila doesn't even get an entrance.
• 40:47
  Goes back to that. He's just sitting in the ring
• 40:49
  waiting for Taka. Right away we get Taka Michinoku
• 40:53
  coming down. They're really trying to push
• 40:55
  this. This would be the first and only
• 40:59
  time the championship was defended at WrestleMania.
• 41:02
  Really. Yeah.
• 41:03
  Then it turns into the cruiserweight championship
• 41:06
  eventually. I have like notes on this match
• 41:11
  and I feel like it was a slow motion luchador match.
• 41:17
  Well that makes sense. I think that's a.
• 41:18
  Perfect thing of explaining it. It had the high flying, it's got
• 41:22
  as I moved salt, it's get off the top rope, it's got Corkscrew
• 41:26
  planches. It's got like everything that
• 41:28
  you can think of. There's actually one really
• 41:30
  brutal part. I think the only real note that
• 41:32
  I have here is on that Corkscrew plancha from Aguilar or
• 41:37
  whatever. Aguilar he he legitimately
• 41:41
  knocks. Taka he gets him right in the
• 41:44
  head with his knee and Taka looks like he's up.
• 41:48
  It's the the match is like it's interesting because I feel like
• 41:53
  it could have been decent if the two guys, especially Aguila,
• 41:57
  knew how to sell a little bit more his his chops and like his
• 42:01
  anything he does is just so soft and like looks like they're
• 42:05
  dancing at times and it's over choreographed.
• 42:08
  It just, I don't know, it doesn't work for me.
• 42:10
  I don't think the the match has is like, I have no problem with
• 42:13
  the match, I just think there's no juice to it and it's because
• 42:16
  WWF never put their heart into. Selling 100%.
• 42:20
  And I think you can just feel that through the screen of King
• 42:24
  undermines it on his commentary, like always.
• 42:26
  Always, always. Why he's all gone it like I
• 42:29
  don't know. They push it so hard.
• 42:31
  Like they don't have a Jeff Tenay.
• 42:34
  I'm like Tenay. Yeah, I to to put it over.
• 42:37
  Jr. could do that. Right, I know and he tries at
• 42:40
  times. It's gotta be Vince.
• 42:41
  And Kevin Kelly out of the world just does.
• 42:43
  Not give a shit about it, yeah. I again, I think the match could
• 42:47
  work, but it just it, it felt like slow MO and they don't know
• 42:52
  how to sell each other's moves. They the chops are soft.
• 42:55
  Everything feels. Very slow what?
• 42:57
  Think about what era of wrestling very specifically
• 43:00
  we're in here. You've watched a bunch of raws
• 43:02
  on this now, right? It's very short matches that
• 43:05
  don't really have anything to do with the wrestling so much so
• 43:08
  this is like a whole different thing than what Dodo F is all
• 43:12
  about at this moment. Oh yeah.
• 43:14
  The the non selling. I understand what you're saying
• 43:16
  100%, but if you really think about a a lucha libre match in
• 43:20
  that style, there's not a ton of selling.
• 43:22
  No, no, not at all. You're right, it doesn't.
• 43:24
  Have the speed and the back-to-back to back-to-back,
• 43:27
  like just continuously punch you in the face as a viewer that the
• 43:31
  WCW side of this part of the industry was doing right now.
• 43:35
  Yeah, or it would be an ECW, right?
• 43:37
  ECW would have a curtain jerker around this time.
• 43:39
  I didn't feel like we've seen Taki Michinoku in one of those
• 43:42
  matches with Togo Dick Togo and whoever, right?
• 43:45
  Right. We saw like a trio's match start
• 43:48
  off one of those cards and like the crowd gets into it because
• 43:50
  they let him go bananas. But but Vince is forced to try
• 43:54
  to match WCW's cruiserweight division and they just do it in
• 43:57
  this half ass way. That is the vibe that we're all
• 44:00
  getting from this match. He he probably let these two go
• 44:03
  out there and like book their own match essentially and had
• 44:06
  nobody behind them, like nobody who knew what they were doing.
• 44:09
  But Taka stops, stops it's. The opposite, Nick, I think it's
• 44:14
  somebody that they, they wanted to go out there and do what they
• 44:17
  would do and they would have done it better than what they
• 44:20
  probably had. Probably Pritchard or another
• 44:23
  one of the stooges was like no, no, no, you got to slow him down
• 44:25
  and. Say you got to do.
• 44:27
  It absolutely, I think. WrestleMania.
• 44:30
  Taka stops a high flying dive from Aguila with a drop kick
• 44:33
  which I thought was pretty gnarly looking, and then he
• 44:37
  finally lands the Michinoku Driver, which I can't help but
• 44:41
  call. The Michinoku Driver, as King
• 44:43
  always calls it, picks up the win and both men shake each
• 44:46
  other's hands. They celebrate and maybe catch
• 44:50
  there. There was a moment where Jr.
• 44:52
  makes a comment about Pearl Harbor.
• 44:55
  Yeah. Which is like I'm I think I'm
• 44:58
  glad I missed it. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:00
  It's very like, ironic enough. Yeah.
• 45:03
  Yeah, seriously. We're gonna get some more 1998
• 45:06
  vibes coming up right now. Yep.
• 45:08
  Do we want to give you that cans in the?
• 45:10
  Cooler like two 2 1/2 Yeah, Meltzer.
• 45:13
  Meltzer gave it .5. Wow.
• 45:16
  Wow. He hated it.
• 45:17
  Yeah, I didn't. Hate it.
• 45:19
  No, I didn't hate it at all. It was like, by the way, it was
• 45:22
  almost, it was 6 minutes, it was 6 minutes.
• 45:24
  It was like Mike said, it's there, but again, 22 and. 1/2 I
• 45:28
  like Taka's move, the Mishinugu driver.
• 45:30
  I like his music. If it was like a 12 minute
• 45:32
  match, maybe 1 can of cooler but.
• 45:35
  It's it's quick, I I think the 2 1/2 is is worthy of it.
• 45:40
  I, Yeah, eat it. I didn't love it.
• 45:42
  It didn't necessarily keep my attention all that well either,
• 45:46
  you know? I found myself glancing at my
• 45:47
  phone, which is usually when I can't go too high on these.
• 45:50
  Yeah. That's fair, yeah.
• 45:53
  All right, Next up, we've got Jennifer Flowers with the Rock
• 45:56
  in a sit down interview in the back.
• 45:59
  This is basically a way to let the Rock really dive into the
• 46:03
  whole talking in the third person.
• 46:07
  She brings absolutely nothing to the table for me.
• 46:11
  Jr. calls her a celebrity. She's a celebrity.
• 46:13
  To me, this is not a celebrity. Like to me, we are, we are like
• 46:20
  the peak age range. And and maybe I'm saying this
• 46:23
  like foolishly, but I feel like we are the peak age range of the
• 46:27
  attitude era. And I don't think, I think this
• 46:31
  is kind of like the type of person that our dads would have.
• 46:35
  Maybe even I don't even know if our dads would have been into
• 46:38
  it. No, it's like a like something
• 46:40
  that came up during like, the Bill Clinton presidential
• 46:42
  campaign ran for 9092, no less. Again, again, it goes back to
• 46:47
  the whole Marlins, Cleveland Indians thing like it's just
• 46:51
  wrestling. At least that was more time.
• 46:53
  That was only 5 months. This is.
• 46:55
  Years, I know. Probably because he couldn't get
• 46:57
  Monica Lewinsky. Oh, did that even happen yet?
• 47:00
  Yeah, it must have. Yeah, I think so.
• 47:02
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:03
  But that's, that's exactly it. It's the B, it's, it's the B
• 47:06
  grade of Yeah. It's like.
• 47:10
  Jennifer Flowers with AG. Yeah.
• 47:12
  With AG, Yeah. I again, I don't.
• 47:14
  I have no recollection as to who she was.
• 47:18
  I didn't know back then. I don't care who she is now,
• 47:22
  it's just. She's tied to an affair with
• 47:23
  Bill Clinton. Yeah.
• 47:24
  No, I know that. I know that.
• 47:26
  I know we're repeating it from past episodes as well, but for
• 47:29
  context, if anybody's just tuning in for these WrestleMania
• 47:33
  episodes, that's really where she's coming from.
• 47:35
  And when she sits down and talks to The Rock as this, you know,
• 47:39
  pose supposed actual, you know, reporter, it just doesn't feel.
• 47:45
  Was she a reporter? No.
• 47:47
  No. I don't they're trying to sell
• 47:49
  her as a reporter and like and like someone who does interviews
• 47:52
  and conducts interviews. Like 60 minutes style, you know,
• 47:56
  setting even. It's in like a hotel room with a
• 47:59
  plant in the background. The interns didn't do anything
• 48:03
  orally wrong. That's.
• 48:05
  That said, the interview is a banger all time banger.
• 48:09
  So good, the rock being the rock.
• 48:12
  I see. But I think it's the rock before
• 48:14
  he has found his charisma. And there's so much of this that
• 48:18
  I'm, I, it's, it's a couple of minutes long and there was so
• 48:22
  much of this that I didn't feel, I felt icky, just like recording
• 48:27
  it and, and listening to it and the things that the rock is
• 48:30
  talking about and how, you know, he was asked about if he was to
• 48:35
  be the president and it's probably insinuating that, you
• 48:38
  know, if she would be with the rock if he was the president.
• 48:41
  And it's it's really friggin strange.
• 48:43
  And icky. Icky is the word here.
• 48:45
  And you know, the rock is coming out in the third person and he's
• 48:48
  talking about how leader of the country isn't the right word.
• 48:52
  He would be the ruler. And there's a lot of shit that
• 48:55
  if you really want to go back, listen to the whole, the whole
• 48:59
  interview here. You can make some parallels.
• 49:01
  But I do want to talk to you back that the rock hasn't found
• 49:05
  his charisma yet. So let's just take a listen to 8
• 49:08
  seconds because that's all I felt OK with.
• 49:10
  And it's still a really icky. So let's listen.
• 49:13
  If the Rock were for the jury, the Rock feels like this.
• 49:15
  Nine times out of 10, he'd be a hung jury.
• 49:18
  If you smell what I'm cooking. Her upward laugh is all of us.
• 49:26
  That's how I felt all rolled up into one and he drops Smell what
• 49:30
  you're smell what I'm cooking for probably the first time ever
• 49:33
  is. Like I agree.
• 49:35
  And yes, it's greeted with the ick.
• 49:38
  The Ick. I also think you don't have
• 49:40
  that. He didn't have the crowd to play
• 49:42
  off of. At all.
• 49:44
  See, I don't know I remember I watched this pay-per-view
• 49:48
  scrambled. This is like the last one and
• 49:50
  then and then we got together the next 115 and 16 and so on
• 49:54
  and so forth. But I remember listening like
• 49:57
  you can actually, you know, like you get to hear this like as
• 50:00
  opposed to like trying to watch something.
• 50:01
  And I remember him using the maybe just spoke to my like
• 50:05
  English nerd heart. He like used the term copacetic.
• 50:08
  And I was like, what is that word?
• 50:10
  It's the greatest thing I've ever.
• 50:11
  Heard. And I need to leave every
• 50:14
  sentence from here on out. And I I like that kind of stuff.
• 50:18
  He he had that like he was leaning into that heel charisma
• 50:22
  like a like a Jericho, I think on on Nitro.
• 50:26
  So I don't know. I was I remember being like
• 50:28
  blown away by this back in the day.
• 50:30
  As long as they. Don't, as long as they keep
• 50:32
  their frigid air box or yeah, whatever.
• 50:35
  He was caught those frigid air box.
• 50:37
  Yeah, he was asked about the homeless and you know, he
• 50:40
  doesn't care. Yeah, it was, I don't know.
• 50:44
  I just felt like this isn't peak rock charisma yet.
• 50:46
  He's trying. He's trying really hard, but
• 50:49
  he's just, it's not, it's not fine-tuned yet.
• 50:52
  He's he's getting there. I'll find.
• 50:54
  You. I I think this is, you know,
• 50:57
  maybe this the bars a little low as we'll get to later, but I
• 51:01
  think this is the most memorable rock thing of the show, more so
• 51:04
  than the the match itself. So, you know, like at, at first
• 51:08
  I, I felt very cringy about it, but when you think about
• 51:13
  professional wrestling at the time, right, who are The Who are
• 51:17
  the top 2 heels in the business? It's Sean and then maybe Kane
• 51:23
  who's wrapped up with the Undertaker.
• 51:25
  After that, they're trying to find someone.
• 51:28
  So really, I think a lot of this night has to do with setting up
• 51:34
  The Rock and Triple H as the two next guys in line as our our Cuz
• 51:41
  you're about to anoint Stone Cold as the mega babyface,
• 51:47
  right? And and and have him take over.
• 51:52
  You need he needs heels. Right.
• 51:54
  But so you could. So it's so clear that they're on
• 51:57
  the same track that he's on, where like, the fans will cheer
• 52:00
  for you eventually. Like they're not going to Oh
• 52:03
  yeah hate these guys ever DX. Flips a switch and they're
• 52:06
  they're good guys. They're baby faces all of a
• 52:09
  sudden. The Rock had just feuded with
• 52:11
  Austin, too, not that long ago. Yep.
• 52:15
  So let's get to our next match. We've got the European
• 52:18
  Championship on the line. Triple H is the defending
• 52:21
  champion, with China facing off against Owen Hart.
• 52:25
  In this match, China will be handcuffed to Sergeant
• 52:28
  Slaughter, so Triple H makes his way out to the DX band.
• 52:34
  It is an instrumental version only, which I think is kind of
• 52:37
  interesting. Now was that actually what
• 52:40
  happened? Because now I'm like second
• 52:42
  guessing myself because they edited.
• 52:44
  No, it was. It was, I think they saved his
• 52:46
  big one for Sean. Yeah, they save it for Sean for
• 52:49
  the main event, They that's why. I haven't watched second part
• 52:53
  yet, so my my recollection is not there, but man, you see
• 52:57
  Chris Warren that the lead singer Zach de la Rocha knock
• 53:01
  off. He's out there.
• 53:02
  He's got a microphone in his hand, but you never hear him,
• 53:05
  which made me think of like, holy shit, like I remember them
• 53:08
  playing and I just. Yeah, no, I think it's.
• 53:10
  I think it's to separate the difference between Triple H and
• 53:14
  the importance of Sean. Also correct me if I'm wrong, is
• 53:17
  this like the first time Triple H is coming down to this music
• 53:20
  on his own? Because he wasn't easy on
• 53:22
  crutches for a like a minute before this, right?
• 53:24
  Like. He That's very true.
• 53:26
  It might be. I, I've that's, I'm sorry, Matt,
• 53:30
  I'm sorry, Matt. I he's doesn't, he doesn't have
• 53:33
  a match at the Rumble, right? Or.
• 53:36
  Given Owen still hurt throughout this entire feud.
• 53:39
  He's faced Owen before, though. Yes, yes, but not in like full
• 53:46
  like matches. They're all like schmazzes and
• 53:49
  like with twists and turns like him having gold dust like faced
• 53:53
  Owen for him, which we talked about.
• 53:56
  But during this entrance, I thought was I thought a few
• 54:00
  things were cool. And again, maybe because as you
• 54:03
  guys have heard me gush on the show many times before the this
• 54:07
  version of DX and prior to it is like my jam.
• 54:13
  That's like that was my favorite faction still is, but they're
• 54:17
  doing anything they can to find any remotely attractive Boston
• 54:20
  females in the crowd during AAA trope.
• 54:23
  But I thought it was interesting because this is like this is 1
• 54:28
  of this the first one of the night besides LOD 2000 revamped
• 54:34
  where you see two people come out with some serious effort put
• 54:38
  into their gear. Right.
• 54:40
  Triple H has his classic Triple H pants, but they've got the the
• 54:44
  DX green on the HS on his knees and like the the classic Triple
• 54:50
  H pants more in between his legs with the green China is also
• 54:54
  decked out in her normal gear, but it's got handcuffs and like
• 54:58
  silver plates all over the thing.
• 55:00
  Like the handcuffs are the straps to her top, and Triple H
• 55:05
  has a matching jacket that goes with China's gear.
• 55:08
  To me, that is WrestleMania, right?
• 55:10
  Especially what WrestleMania has become, like special gear, one
• 55:14
  time only gear. And up until this point, you
• 55:17
  don't always see that. You know, you sit here and there
• 55:20
  with certain guys and it's cool to see it with a guy like Triple
• 55:23
  H who's going to take the leap forward after this event.
• 55:27
  I think that his ring gear is awesome and he's still got like
• 55:31
  an old school blue blood. The robe, he said.
• 55:34
  Right. Yep.
• 55:36
  So before Owen can come to the ring, Commissioner Slaughter is
• 55:40
  going to exercise his authority and handcuff himself to China so
• 55:43
  that she won't interfere. She protests this Triple H is
• 55:48
  pissed, kind of looks away, and Sarge slaps the cuffs on her.
• 55:53
  And as Jr. says, they're going chin to chin, or is they're
• 55:57
  going nose to nose, or better yet, chin to chin.
• 56:00
  And they both stick their chins out.
• 56:01
  China in particular. And this is like pre plastic
• 56:05
  surgery, I guess you could say China.
• 56:06
  Well, so that's up there. Yeah.
• 56:09
  Up there. That's a reminder of kind of the
• 56:12
  the China with the chin, I guess, yeah.
• 56:15
  I like this China. Yeah, me too.
• 56:17
  Hart is my favorite China. Yeah.
• 56:18
  Oh, agreed. Owen Hart is is a sad story.
• 56:22
  Like at this point it's like you kind of feel bad for him.
• 56:26
  Like he needs to get out of this feud with DX I feel like, or out
• 56:31
  of this version, I don't know. The gear is sad to me.
• 56:34
  I like the. Gear.
• 56:35
  I like the gear too, but there's something that's sad to me that
• 56:38
  makes me feel bad. It's his expression on the way
• 56:40
  down. He's got such a weird
• 56:41
  expression. On the SO and the story is too
• 56:44
  that he is also working hurt and apparently he just removed the
• 56:48
  cast like an actual cast off of his foot and his wow well.
• 56:52
  He was in that walking boot, Yeah, in the lead up to this and
• 56:56
  you know they. But that's legit, That's that's
• 56:59
  correct. That is real life.
• 57:02
  Like he had a a cast on his ankle that was just removed day
• 57:06
  of so he could go out there for this match.
• 57:09
  So to me, kudos to him. I saw he what I saw was that he
• 57:13
  rolled his ankle while stepping off the middle rope during a
• 57:15
  match. He worked the next night in
• 57:18
  serious pain and then went to go get treatment and it was just
• 57:22
  ligament damage is what they talked about.
• 57:25
  And they put him in a walking boot at that point.
• 57:28
  So yeah, he and he got The Walking boot off that morning
• 57:30
  and then went to or a cast The Walking boot, whatever you want
• 57:34
  to call it, and then work the match.
• 57:35
  And he's he's definitely not the Owen that, you know, when you
• 57:40
  think about Owen Hart at this point, it's definitely a bummer
• 57:43
  to see him in this way. Again, this is five months
• 57:47
  removed from the screw drop, so you have to think about that as
• 57:50
  well. And.
• 57:52
  They do anything they can to like insert Brett's involvement.
• 57:56
  Like they talk about the WrestleMania 10 match at one
• 57:59
  point between Owen and Brett. It's like, it's such an
• 58:03
  interesting thing like to me because Vince doesn't want, he's
• 58:07
  still like salty about the whole thing.
• 58:09
  And but the fact that they they let Jr. slip that in there.
• 58:15
  Jr. talks about how Owen's the youngest of 12, right?
• 58:19
  Imagine the poor kids in that house.
• 58:20
  The rest of the kids like. Must have sounded like the
• 58:23
  friggin Animal Planet episode. Like the wildebeest going at it
• 58:27
  constantly upstairs. I can't even handle 2 in my.
• 58:30
  Own. Yeah.
• 58:32
  Talking about. The Watusi.
• 58:34
  I guess you're talking about the Watusi too.
• 58:35
  Of course I am 12 kids man 1st 11.
• 58:39
  Got a listen to all that racket? I think, I do think, I think the
• 58:46
  the Sarge and China handcuffed on the outside of the ring is
• 58:51
  such an important part of this. Match.
• 58:54
  Because like they can, Owen and Triple H obviously have a
• 58:58
  history. Like they work well together.
• 59:00
  Obviously Owen trusts Triple H and the fact that, you know,
• 59:04
  he's working hurt regardless of the fact that it's just Wrestle
• 59:08
  Mania. But they're outside story
• 59:12
  between Sarge and China is such an important part to this match.
• 59:17
  Now it. Keeps it moving.
• 59:19
  Yeah, it keeps it moving. Match goes 11 1/2 minutes.
• 59:22
  But again, it's going because you're you're constantly like
• 59:24
  trying to figure out how China is going to get involved because
• 59:27
  you know she's going to get involved.
• 59:29
  At one point, Owen has Triple H in the Sharpshooter.
• 59:34
  She then helps Triple H get the bottom rope.
• 59:37
  And then scarge, what the fuck? Jeez.
• 59:45
  Sorry, but Scarge, what are you there for?
• 59:48
  The crowd is quite crowd. The crowd is kind of conflicted.
• 59:53
  They very like Triple H but they're Owen gets a mixed
• 59:56
  reaction coming down and then but they cheer for him when he
• 59:59
  gets like. Agreed, Set up for his move so
• 1:00:02
  it's it's interesting. Yeah, so which I thought was
• 1:00:05
  interesting because, you know, Chinas fighting Sarge the whole
• 1:00:07
  time. She does the rope break.
• 1:00:10
  But then as Sarge is distracted, China throws white powder in his
• 1:00:14
  face, which causes the referee to randomly check on Sergeant
• 1:00:18
  Slaughter, this big giant former WWF champion.
• 1:00:22
  And the referee's distracted. China hops up on the apron.
• 1:00:26
  Owen turns around and China low blows him, allows Triple H to
• 1:00:31
  nail the Pedigree and retain the title.
• 1:00:34
  But you know right away. Man, oh man.
• 1:00:37
  Right right away. As soon as Triple H gets handed
• 1:00:40
  the title, he's yelling at the ref to go get her out of the
• 1:00:42
  cuffs. I don't know.
• 1:00:44
  It's to me it's cool like it's the the whole China Triple H
• 1:00:48
  interaction during this era of DX is is top notch like
• 1:00:54
  managerial work in my opinion. Oh hell yeah.
• 1:00:58
  I think it's a long agreement. Yeah, it's such a contrast to
• 1:01:00
  the previous match, which had no juice.
• 1:01:02
  This is a ton of juice. Like, yes, 30F wants you to
• 1:01:05
  believe in this match. And it it's it's fun to watch.
• 1:01:08
  I wish you could go a little longer.
• 1:01:09
  Like in hindsight, you're like these two guys, like, oh, man,
• 1:01:13
  like, come on, you could have got a little bit.
• 1:01:14
  More. Agreed.
• 1:01:15
  They're both a little banked up, I guess, yeah.
• 1:01:17
  That's fair. Right.
• 1:01:19
  But it's kind of feels like the the powder thing kind of comes
• 1:01:23
  out of nowhere. You're just like watching the
• 1:01:25
  match all of a sudden, boom, yeah, the white powder comes
• 1:01:28
  out. Like what?
• 1:01:29
  I kind of like that though I'm always like a big like out of
• 1:01:32
  nowhere fan and I I I get what you're saying.
• 1:01:36
  It definitely works. I think you need the distraction
• 1:01:39
  because of the fact that the two guys are working hard working
• 1:01:42
  hurt throughout it. To me, up until I know we're
• 1:01:45
  three matches in as we're we're blabbering on, but so far this
• 1:01:50
  is my favorite match of the card.
• 1:01:52
  I give it no doubt. I give it easy. 3 1/2 cans in
• 1:01:55
  the cooler if not more. That's high for me.
• 1:01:58
  And not that not because of work, right?
• 1:01:59
  I just, I love the story, I love the intros.
• 1:02:02
  I just, I don't know, I was into it.
• 1:02:04
  You certainly get an extra half can to a full can just because
• 1:02:07
  of the China and Sarge stuff on the outside.
• 1:02:10
  And even still, when she gets the cuffs off and Sarge is still
• 1:02:13
  tending to the powder in the face, she she nails him with a.
• 1:02:18
  Murders. Him and it, it sends him over
• 1:02:21
  the rail and these are like the bike rails.
• 1:02:23
  This is like a barricade that you see now.
• 1:02:27
  This is still the old school metal railings.
• 1:02:29
  And he goes flying over them, which into like it almost looks
• 1:02:32
  like just cameramen in the front there.
• 1:02:33
  But he goes into the front row. And I thought that was a nice
• 1:02:35
  little piece at the end here. And then they get in in the ring
• 1:02:39
  and celebrate. And I, I don't know, I did enjoy
• 1:02:42
  it. I think the 3:00-ish is kind of
• 1:02:44
  where I'm putting a cap on it for me.
• 1:02:46
  Did I give it a three? I remember going watching this
• 1:02:49
  on the tape a lot back in the day.
• 1:02:50
  Like this is one of the matches I would.
• 1:02:52
  Zip to think about it, everybody.
• 1:02:54
  Sarge is twice the size of China, and China is big.
• 1:02:58
  Everybody loves it when a girl takes out a guy like it's the
• 1:03:03
  easiest way to put it. 11 minutes, 29 seconds on this.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah, that's. Not too bad.
• 1:03:07
  Meltzer gave it three. Yeah, there it is.
• 1:03:10
  Cool. So all right, Next up, we've got
• 1:03:17
  a really, really strange technical difficulty moment
• 1:03:20
  where Lawler is the it's like the panning of the crowd and
• 1:03:24
  then all of a sudden just Lawler's talking.
• 1:03:26
  And then as Lawler's talking, Jr. is like, all right, I think
• 1:03:29
  we got those technical difficulties worked out.
• 1:03:32
  What the hell is? That I wouldn't even I wouldn't
• 1:03:34
  even realize there was technical difficulties they.
• 1:03:35
  Didn't bring it up. No.
• 1:03:37
  We get our first lengthy recap video package.
• 1:03:41
  I find it interesting how long the package is, but again, it's
• 1:03:45
  all because of Sable. Pretty much, yeah.
• 1:03:49
  We get our our our intro of Gold Dust and Luna as one of them's
• 1:03:55
  walking the other down like a dog almost to start the match
• 1:03:58
  off. I did find this interesting and
• 1:04:01
  I want I wanted to text you guys this, but I decided to hold off.
• 1:04:05
  Did you notice anything with Gold Dust face paint?
• 1:04:08
  The FUI don't know. It's black, it's his.
• 1:04:11
  So his face paint is red, right? And it's got a black X through
• 1:04:16
  it and then on the the left and the right side, it's got an FU.
• 1:04:21
  This has to do something with DX, you think, right?
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, I think so. It has to think about the goes
• 1:04:27
  back to the stories of like Razor not wanting Razor part of
• 1:04:30
  the clique, not wanting to work with Gold Dust 'cause, you know,
• 1:04:34
  he felt uncomfortable at times. I don't know, it has to, right?
• 1:04:38
  Makes sense. I know he's maybe he's just
• 1:04:39
  like, you know what, He's X-rated.
• 1:04:41
  So let's just. But I don't know it.
• 1:04:43
  Just seemed to sounded like America.
• 1:04:46
  Seems a little too. No, I that's.
• 1:04:48
  Accidental. It's a theory I I'm into it.
• 1:04:52
  But Mark Barrow and and Sabel come down and this, this, you
• 1:04:57
  guys, anybody that's listening to this, whether you remember
• 1:05:00
  this match or not, you know that this match is all about Sabel.
• 1:05:05
  Is this her first match? Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  I I could be sorry, Matt, maybe she's had a little 11 offs, but
• 1:05:16
  but this this, this is definitely her first big match.
• 1:05:19
  Mero and Gold dust begin the match.
• 1:05:21
  You know, it's classic mixed tag team.
• 1:05:24
  They've got to build things before we can get the smokin hot
• 1:05:27
  babe in the ring. You know Gold dust tags Luna in
• 1:05:32
  pretty early. It means sable's got to come in.
• 1:05:35
  However, Luna Vashon runs around the ring and Sable chases her
• 1:05:39
  before tag tag and Gold dust in. You know we do.
• 1:05:42
  This whole cat and mouse action. For a while.
• 1:05:46
  A pop she gets is my God insane. She's gotta be like, probably
• 1:05:52
  she might even be the second most over person in the company
• 1:05:55
  right now. Yeah, I think Austin.
• 1:05:57
  So I'm just quick search on Cage match which if anybody wants any
• 1:06:02
  information about wrestling history, I guess you could say
• 1:06:07
  match history. It shows that she had 41 matches
• 1:06:11
  and the first one was March 16th, 1998 Luna versus Sable,
• 1:06:15
  which was a no contest on Monday Night raw #251 in Phoenix, AZ.
• 1:06:22
  Interesting. So essentially like right before
• 1:06:26
  this was. Her this was like real match.
• 1:06:28
  Correct. So are you waiting to the end of
• 1:06:31
  the smash to do a Luna Vashon impression?
• 1:06:36
  Yeah. Very close.
• 1:06:47
  So after this WrestleMania match, she goes into an evening
• 1:06:51
  gown match with Luna, defeating Sable in 2 minutes and 35
• 1:06:54
  seconds and In Your House 21 Unforgiven.
• 1:06:58
  You know what I'm watching tonight.
• 1:06:59
  There you go, loser leaves town match Mark Marrow defeating
• 1:07:02
  Sable in 21 seconds at In Your House, 22 Over the Edge.
• 1:07:06
  And then there's a lot more. Put bad dogging on Mark Marrow
• 1:07:10
  'cause he just started following me on Instagram but that dude
• 1:07:13
  can barely get gold dust up for a TKO.
• 1:07:16
  It looks so uncomfortable because gold dust is like twice
• 1:07:19
  his size. Yeah, Sable's one looks more
• 1:07:22
  impressive. He's wearing like a thong on the
• 1:07:24
  outside or something. Yeah, you're into that, right?
• 1:07:26
  Sorry. So is Luna.
• 1:07:32
  Sable tries to pin Gold Dust, but the referee's distracted and
• 1:07:36
  then he finally begins to count and Sabel hops off Gold Dust so
• 1:07:41
  that Vashon can then inadvertently body splash Gold
• 1:07:44
  Dust. Sabel then performs A powerbomb
• 1:07:47
  and the crowd goes bonkers. I'm like Oh my God she's going
• 1:07:49
  to win it on the Sabel bomb. Nope, Luna no sells her.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah, up right away, so. Apparently I read that Luna like
• 1:07:59
  hated Sabel like the two of them had like like beef backstage and
• 1:08:04
  Luna was not into her. She no sells that powerbomb
• 1:08:08
  eventually. Sable then performs Mark
• 1:08:12
  Marrow's TKO much better than he did.
• 1:08:15
  As Mike said and as Jerry Lawler says, to win the match and is
• 1:08:19
  the the TKO is like almost the same exact thing as an F5?
• 1:08:25
  Not really, it's very similar. It's instead of throwing your
• 1:08:28
  opponent, you kind of throw them into a cutter kind of right
• 1:08:33
  instead of just backwards then like a monster like right.
• 1:08:37
  Yeah, 5 you get chucked anywhere.
• 1:08:38
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:39
  This is kind of like a carry backward carry into a cutter.
• 1:08:43
  Backwards, yeah. But yeah, I don't know, I my
• 1:08:47
  take on this was you don't really see Luna get tagged in
• 1:08:51
  either when she takes the sable bomb, which they're not calling
• 1:08:54
  a sable bomb at this point just yet, But it was super
• 1:08:57
  impressive. First of all, the crowd goes
• 1:08:59
  absolutely ape shit for her in everything that she does.
• 1:09:02
  But this was truly the peak of it and I felt like this wasn't
• 1:09:06
  the finish that they spoke about.
• 1:09:08
  South Luna was like what the hell are you doing?
• 1:09:10
  They need to kick out like instantly.
• 1:09:12
  You know, we talk about a kick out at 2.9.
• 1:09:15
  This was at like. 1.9 Yeah, didn't even make it to two.
• 1:09:19
  Didn't even make it to 2 and she was like really no selling this
• 1:09:23
  and it it makes up like. Right away and like right into
• 1:09:26
  like other moves. Exactly.
• 1:09:27
  Exactly because it wasn't the finish and she probably needed
• 1:09:30
  to tell her. What the F are you doing?
• 1:09:33
  Nine and a half, nine minutes and 11 seconds.
• 1:09:39
  What do you give it? Cans in the cooler.
• 1:09:40
  I always feel like when a match goes as long as this one did and
• 1:09:45
  it feels much shorter. I don't know if that's a good
• 1:09:48
  thing or a bad thing. I feel like a good thing.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, because everything I. Found myself engaged in the
• 1:09:53
  story and instantly, like, right out the gate it's, you know,
• 1:09:56
  Sable chasing after Luna. She wants to get her hands on
• 1:09:59
  her so much. And Sable delivers in the ring.
• 1:10:02
  She's not, you know, she's not Bret Hart technical wrestler.
• 1:10:07
  But she just goes out and delivers what she needs to
• 1:10:09
  deliver and the crowd eats it up.
• 1:10:11
  I mean, it's tough for me to go even above a three because of
• 1:10:16
  what I just gave Triple H and Owen.
• 1:10:18
  So I'm going to stick with a three because I enjoyed it and
• 1:10:21
  it kept my. I rank 22.52. .5 I ranked this
• 1:10:29
  slightly higher than the triple H1 I got 3.5 I I think it's very
• 1:10:34
  entertaining. Yeah, despite Sable coming down
• 1:10:37
  with gas station sunglasses like always.
• 1:10:41
  Who do you hear? I've won a little bit of trivia
• 1:10:43
  real quick. Who one person is in their 20s
• 1:10:45
  in this match, The rest are in their 30s.
• 1:10:47
  Who's in their 20s? Is it marrow?
• 1:10:50
  Yeah, I was going to say Marrow's the oldest, the 37.
• 1:10:52
  It's not stable. He's 30, not stable.
• 1:10:55
  It's gold dust. Huh.
• 1:10:55
  It's gold dust. Yeah, he's like 28, about to
• 1:10:58
  turn 29, I believe that's. A that's.
• 1:11:00
  What moon is Moon is 36. I think to go back to Matt's
• 1:11:03
  point, like I have this as 3 1/2 cans because I was so
• 1:11:07
  entertained. Again, there's nothing work rate
• 1:11:10
  wise, but like the crowd is into the last match, the Triple H
• 1:11:14
  match and Owen and then they're into this.
• 1:11:16
  That makes such a difference to me when I'm watching a wrestling
• 1:11:20
  match, when I see the crowd into it and feeling it and I, I don't
• 1:11:23
  know, it was, it was fun. Meltzer gave this 3.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, as well. It's a fun mixed tag match.
• 1:11:29
  It is and I'm not a big mixed tag guy and but they do a really
• 1:11:33
  good job and I went into this match as much as I love Gold
• 1:11:36
  Dust, I was like 0 interest in it and I was pleasantly
• 1:11:40
  surprised. She does one with edge not too
• 1:11:42
  long after this, right? Right with Summer Slam.
• 1:11:45
  Is it? Is it I?
• 1:11:46
  Believe it's summer? SLAM versus Mero and Luna,
• 1:11:49
  right? Vick's tag on the wrestling
• 1:11:51
  stage is usually pretty solid. Exactly, that's what I was going
• 1:11:54
  to say it it works perfect. Oh, no, not not Luna,
• 1:11:56
  Jacqueline. Oh.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 1:11:59
  Marrow can't get away from them. All right, our next match.
• 1:12:04
  It is Summer slam 1998. Edge and Sable defeat Jackie and
• 1:12:07
  Mark Marrow in 8 minutes and 20 seconds at Madison Square
• 1:12:10
  Garden. That's so random.
• 1:12:12
  Oh, I forgot. She's the secret.
• 1:12:13
  He's the secret. Yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah. The rock, the Intercontinental
• 1:12:19
  champion with the nation of domination facing off against
• 1:12:21
  Ken Shamrock. This is for the title, but
• 1:12:27
  before it starts off we got none of them.
• 1:12:30
  Jennifer Flowers. Jennifer.
• 1:12:32
  Lee G and Tennessee Lee and. Jen, what is happening?
• 1:12:36
  I mean, she fits with these two. Yep.
• 1:12:39
  Definitely she she fits with them.
• 1:12:42
  She's the special guest ring announcer for the upcoming
• 1:12:44
  match. It's like, Jesus Christ, Vince,
• 1:12:47
  like we already saw the backstage interview.
• 1:12:50
  You've hyped her up enough. Now we have to listen to her
• 1:12:53
  announce it's it's awful. There's a stipulation to the
• 1:12:57
  match, though, that if if the Rock is disqualified, he would
• 1:13:01
  lose the title. So you're like, OK, where is
• 1:13:04
  this gonna go? We get highlights from the feud
• 1:13:08
  and in that highlights from the feud, Rock delivers chair shots
• 1:13:13
  to Ken Shamrock and Farooq supposedly accidentally, which
• 1:13:17
  you see the then disbanding of Farooq from the nation of
• 1:13:21
  domination. But match you know, the nation
• 1:13:26
  comes out with the Rock, right And Sarge comes the Sarge come
• 1:13:30
  out or no, they tell them they have to go to the back.
• 1:13:33
  That's right. Or maybe I'm thinking of the
• 1:13:35
  Raw. I don't I don't know.
• 1:13:36
  But this match goes almost 5 minutes, starts in and out of
• 1:13:44
  the ring, Shamrock getting whipped into the steps before
• 1:13:47
  they both enter the ring. Mike, you pointed this out in
• 1:13:51
  text. This might be one of the first
• 1:13:54
  people's elbows. He does it super early.
• 1:13:56
  Match. Krab does not really react to
• 1:13:59
  that move in the way of course that they will later on.
• 1:14:03
  No, not at all. I tried to do a little bit of
• 1:14:05
  research on whether or not this was the very first people's
• 1:14:08
  elbow. And there's actually a radio
• 1:14:10
  interview in 2017 where of course Triple H is the one
• 1:14:15
  that's starting to talk about it.
• 1:14:16
  But the very first time that the Rock pulls off the People's
• 1:14:20
  Elbow, it was actually in a dark match, and I think it may have
• 1:14:24
  been at a house show or something along those lines.
• 1:14:26
  They don't specify it 100%, but it was all around trying to pop
• 1:14:30
  the Undertaker. So the Undertaker, the very
• 1:14:33
  first one that took the People's Elbow because they were trying
• 1:14:36
  to make him laugh in the ring. Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  So that's ultimately where this is coming from.
• 1:14:43
  But this could have been the first one on television.
• 1:14:45
  I don't know that for certain, but this certainly wasn't the
• 1:14:48
  very first time that he pulled it out.
• 1:14:50
  So Shamrock rolls out of the ring after that, people say, oh,
• 1:14:55
  well, he goes to grab a steel chair.
• 1:14:56
  The referee tries to take it off of him.
• 1:14:59
  He throws the ref into the corner.
• 1:15:01
  And this is when the Rock picks up the chair and you see kind of
• 1:15:04
  where these things are going. He lands.
• 1:15:08
  Like, I know we talk about this anytime you watch chair shots
• 1:15:11
  from the late 90s. This thing is nasty, man.
• 1:15:16
  I don't care what that chair is made out of.
• 1:15:19
  He hits that thing square on Shamrock's.
• 1:15:23
  Forehead saying that the Rock has hadn't murdered someone,
• 1:15:26
  right? Between between this and mankind
• 1:15:29
  in 99. Yeah, Jesus let's.
• 1:15:33
  You don't even need to see it. You can just listen to it.
• 1:15:35
  So let's do that. Shamrock referee knocked down
• 1:15:39
  his head at the turnbuckle. What a shock that steel chair
• 1:15:45
  was. Did it with Shamrock's face
• 1:15:47
  imprinted in it. Crowd.
• 1:15:51
  The crowd. Reaction like that tells the
• 1:15:53
  story itself. It's it's it's shocking man at
• 1:15:59
  this time, but Shamrock somehow they they go back and forth and
• 1:16:03
  Shamrock looks like he's with it multiple times.
• 1:16:07
  Shamrock kicks out. He then gains advantage,
• 1:16:09
  delivers belly to belly suplex after an Irish whip.
• 1:16:13
  He then lands the I'm sorry, the ankle lock in the middle of the
• 1:16:18
  ring. He makes the Rock tap out and he
• 1:16:21
  wins the title. You're like, wait, I, I
• 1:16:24
  remember, I watched this and I was like, wait, what?
• 1:16:27
  I, I, I did not remember this moment.
• 1:16:30
  And then the Nation quickly comes into the ring.
• 1:16:33
  Shamrock gets rid of all them with suplexes, reapplies the
• 1:16:38
  ankle lock to a bloody Rocky, Myavea or Rock.
• 1:16:41
  Farooq comes down from the back, jumps on the apron, only to look
• 1:16:45
  at The Rock with a smile before walking away.
• 1:16:48
  We get a bunch of referees out and officials.
• 1:16:51
  You know, the classic fake WWF. Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  Bell ringing over and over again.
• 1:16:58
  Shamrock suplex the referees and the officials.
• 1:17:01
  It looked like local talent referees too.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah, like before he. Finally calms down.
• 1:17:07
  I thought he was going to get it.
• 1:17:09
  Yeah, I thought he was rock. Then the rock is wheeled off on
• 1:17:14
  a Gurney and we get a super awkward moment with Howard.
• 1:17:18
  Finkel Yeah, let's take a listen.
• 1:17:22
  Ref race conferring with our ring announcer Howard Finkel,
• 1:17:25
  World Wrestling Federation Intercontinental Champion, The
• 1:17:28
  Rock. What last night, ladies, and.
• 1:17:34
  Gentlemen, Buster Reid has reversed his decision and has
• 1:17:39
  been wonderful by Ken Shavrock for refusing to break the
• 1:17:43
  submission hold. Therefore, he awards the
• 1:17:47
  decision to the man who is still wrestling by Rachel into Pompolo
• 1:17:53
  Tabrio. Shavrock has been robbed.
• 1:17:57
  The Irish has been robbed in Boston.
• 1:18:01
  I think that this ruins the entire match.
• 1:18:07
  I absolutely hate it. I I hate it.
• 1:18:10
  No, you're right, it gives it away.
• 1:18:11
  I think it's dog shit. I think the match was fine, it
• 1:18:16
  was quick, it was 5 minutes, it was fine.
• 1:18:19
  It has nothing to do with the Mike mishap.
• 1:18:22
  I think the ending with I just think the the maybe the pace at
• 1:18:27
  which Shamrock snaps. It was too slow, sure, I think
• 1:18:33
  it ruins it. How much better would it be
• 1:18:35
  without with the winner of the match by way of disqualification
• 1:18:39
  and. Still you.
• 1:18:41
  Know like, yeah, that's missing that like.
• 1:18:44
  It there's, there's just something that just the whole
• 1:18:47
  thing is, is ruined. It's sloppy.
• 1:18:49
  I think I again, I think all those suplexes to the officials
• 1:18:54
  and the referees are so delayed. It maybe if it like was more.
• 1:18:59
  It didn't feel like he snapped. Like he truly snapped.
• 1:19:02
  I was about to say that. I can get on board with a lot of
• 1:19:05
  what you're saying. I'm not willing to go over that
• 1:19:07
  and it's ruined the entire thing.
• 1:19:09
  That's that's just my own personality because it's very
• 1:19:13
  1998, it's very Attitude Era Raw.
• 1:19:15
  This isn't a WrestleMania level. That's where I'm holding my
• 1:19:20
  standards. And I I agree it lacks the
• 1:19:23
  intensity of the Ken Shamrock snapping pal.
• 1:19:27
  Like it, it didn't do it for me. But you know, even when he runs
• 1:19:32
  up the aisle like he gets announced as, you know, him not
• 1:19:35
  being the Intercontinental champion and the Rock is still
• 1:19:38
  on the Gurney, blood from coming out of his mouth and holding up
• 1:19:41
  the beautiful. That I liked.
• 1:19:43
  Championship in on top of the Gurney and then Shamrock runs
• 1:19:47
  down the aisle, chases him down, starts beating him up again, all
• 1:19:50
  on the Chris Warren stage Over here he's reckoned some of the
• 1:19:56
  the DX bands gear. But man, I just felt like it it
• 1:20:01
  it didn't have urgency. That's kind of what you were
• 1:20:04
  saying and I agree with that. Yeah, it was.
• 1:20:06
  It was like everything was in slow motion.
• 1:20:10
  Like I want to be able to like granted, I I hate current day
• 1:20:14
  wrestling of how the camera shots are and everything's like
• 1:20:18
  quick hitting, like multiple camera angles over and over.
• 1:20:20
  Bao Bao Bao. This just like it felt like so
• 1:20:24
  drawn out. How many guys is he gonna
• 1:20:27
  suplex? He didn't really truly snap in
• 1:20:30
  my opinion. I don't know.
• 1:20:33
  Saw the crazy in his eyes if that makes sense, you know?
• 1:20:37
  Like there's time. Did he really hold onto the
• 1:20:41
  ankle like like that? Low No.
• 1:20:42
  No, it wasn't. That bad?
• 1:20:44
  No, not at all. He didn't even like wrench that
• 1:20:46
  thing in. They didn't even like ring the
• 1:20:48
  bell and like force him to stop. I feel like maybe that was the
• 1:20:52
  big thing for me. I don't know for me ending.
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  Thing. For me, 1 1/2, two cans in the
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  coolest because of the ending. It ruined it.
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  It ruined it for me. It killed the whole thing.
• 1:21:04
  Like it just, I don't know and I don't mind these two as a feud.
• 1:21:09
  I'm I'm not ready to go to 3 on it just because of how short it
• 1:21:13
  was and just I don't know. It's all about the the story
• 1:21:17
  between, you know, Nation of Domination and Farooq plays a
• 1:21:20
  nice little role in here. I enjoyed that piece of it.
• 1:21:22
  I'm going to go 275. I'm not.
• 1:21:24
  I'm not going to go. To three.
• 1:21:26
  Yeah, too, too high. Too high.
• 1:21:27
  I'm a 2 1/2. Yeah, I'm a 2 1/2 as well.
• 1:21:30
  He's still too high. The Flowers interview is more
• 1:21:32
  important than this match. Agreed.
• 1:21:35
  I agree. I agree with Jim.
• 1:21:37
  I think this match has flows well with the previous two
• 1:21:39
  though. I think we're have a good
• 1:21:40
  Wrestle Mania now and this, whatever happens here, doesn't
• 1:21:43
  like set it back that badly. There isn't this card.
• 1:21:46
  I also think like the. I also think Farooq's
• 1:21:49
  involvement is almost delayed. Like.
• 1:21:53
  Like, why did Wright, like, like Shamrock should have had that
• 1:21:57
  ankle lock in it should have been cranked in Rock should have
• 1:22:00
  been like fighting for it, fighting for it.
• 1:22:03
  And then Farooq comes down, he stamps steps on the apron.
• 1:22:06
  Farooq's like gonna save him and break him out of it and then
• 1:22:10
  hops off the apron. It just didn't.
• 1:22:12
  We didn't talk build. We didn't talk about not that
• 1:22:15
  the build was that Shamrock breaks the ankle lock, which I
• 1:22:18
  have my own, you know, I'm upset about this to an extent as well.
• 1:22:23
  But he he breaks the ankle lock and then he does a belly to
• 1:22:26
  belly to DLO and then to Comma. And then he's got this stand off
• 1:22:30
  with Mark Henry and you're like, yeah, there's no way you're
• 1:22:33
  going to belly to belly him. And then he delivers the belly
• 1:22:35
  to belly to Mark Henry, who takes this big bump for the
• 1:22:38
  first time. But the rock just lays there
• 1:22:41
  like nothing's going on. Like, if only let's go of that
• 1:22:44
  ankle lock. I am like, army crawls.
• 1:22:47
  Get the hell out of there. Again, it's I think you guys are
• 1:22:50
  too generous. I think it's shit storytelling
• 1:22:52
  and lazy storytelling at the. End If you're going to
• 1:22:55
  disqualify Ken Shamrock, you could have done it like 20 times
• 1:22:59
  before that with all these guys in Baruch and the nation like
• 1:23:04
  you didn't have to. I think that I have a hard time
• 1:23:07
  giving it like any sort of respectable Ken and the cooler
• 1:23:10
  because of it's like sloppy writing and sloppy tour.
• 1:23:13
  They wanted to get over like his crazy head like crazy gimmick
• 1:23:18
  over more and I. Don't think they did.
• 1:23:20
  I didn't do it, but it's very Attitude Era.
• 1:23:23
  It's very 1998. It's very fitting of the time,
• 1:23:26
  but it it lacks the urgency and intensity that we all want.
• 1:23:30
  And like you said, I think it feels like something you would
• 1:23:32
  watch on Monday Night Raw and not at WrestleMania.
• 1:23:35
  Yeah, I wanted to see Ken Chammak win the IC bell too at
• 1:23:38
  this point. Yeah, yeah, he's so dumb.
• 1:23:40
  They didn't need to put it on him.
• 1:23:42
  No, this is the last appearance of that classic icy title.
• 1:23:48
  Really. It switches over after this.
• 1:23:52
  Rock has. Really.
• 1:23:55
  Yes, everybody always knows about that raw after mania with
• 1:23:59
  like the, the, the big title switching over, winged eagle
• 1:24:02
  switching over. But I I never thought of that
• 1:24:05
  with the intercontinental title. That's interesting they fight
• 1:24:08
  over the new one, the. Strap at first too.
• 1:24:10
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  Oh yeah, because that's the one they fight over at Summer Slam,
• 1:24:13
  I think the purple strap one. Yes, yes.
• 1:24:15
  Whoa. I don't know.
• 1:24:17
  I don't think I, I think I've always focused on the winged
• 1:24:20
  eagle, saying goodbye to the winged eagle that I've glanced
• 1:24:24
  over the intercontinental title, which I love almost just as much
• 1:24:27
  as the winged eagle. Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Yeah, right. In the middle of the night took
• 1:24:30
  it away from us. Seriously.
• 1:24:33
  All right, we've covered five matches and Jennifer Flowers
• 1:24:36
  twice in this Part 1 of WrestleMania 14.
• 1:24:40
  We've got three more matches and in my opinion, three really,
• 1:24:44
  really good ones coming up for Part 2 because I am on, we're on
• 1:24:50
  spring break next week and I already started my homework.
• 1:24:52
  All right, because I'm not doing homework over spring break.
• 1:24:54
  Boom. I'm going to get British Bulldog
• 1:24:56
  braids, guys. I'm just saying.
• 1:25:04
  So again, we're covering Part 2 of WrestleMania 14.
• 1:25:08
  If you haven't done it, go back. Listen to our Mike Tyson
• 1:25:11
  episodes, and we've got two of them in the bank right before
• 1:25:15
  this, so we appreciate you guys taking time to listen to us on
• 1:25:18
  the Road to WrestleMania. And yeah, join the discord,
• 1:25:23
  baby. I promise I'll get a pick em
• 1:25:25
  card together this year. All right, let's hold them to
• 1:25:28
  that everyone. So anyone that's listening, you
• 1:25:30
  can you can message Nick anywhere at at the extra cooler
• 1:25:36
  show, either one. And you can say, where the hell
• 1:25:38
  is my pick em card mother ever? Just don't be that guy that
• 1:25:41
  keeps asking if I want to buy a belt.
• 1:25:43
  OK, yeah, that too. That too.
• 1:25:46
  But I feel like, I feel like just to like scratch that itch
• 1:25:49
  one more time, I got to just drop one more.
• 1:25:53
  All right? I feel whole now.
• 1:25:54
  Thank you. Sorry my my throat still hurts
• 1:25:57
  from my impression so. Oh, Matt's got his winged eagle.
• 1:26:05
  I just got it, just got it. First joy.
• 1:26:08
  I'm. Hugging it.
• 1:26:11
  As long as you don't send us any.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, don't do the Wat 2. Girl Playgirl poses with it,
• 1:26:16
  Yeah. Nobody wants to see.
• 1:26:17
  That like the cover of that DXVHS tape.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Marty Gianetti's Wall of
• 1:26:23
  Fame, up there with this Playgirl.
• 1:26:28
  That all went down in the discord.
• 1:26:29
  If anybody wants to know what the hell we're talking about,
• 1:26:32
  you can go. Find it out there.
• 1:26:33
  Don't be shy. All right?
• 1:26:34
  Cheers, guys. We appreciate you.
• 1:26:36
  We will. We'll see you next week.
• 1:26:38
  Later, Bra. See You The Rock feels like
• 1:26:41
  this. Nine times out of 10, he'd be a
• 1:26:43
  hung jury. If you smell what I'm cooking.