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Forged in Irony | Georg Honauer · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to season six, episode 10.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: We have a third member today joining us.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is bastard Fruit Fly that won't leave us the fuck alone.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's been hours.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: He just follows us.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's following our wine.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: He really likes you.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he won't go away.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the So if you see us swatting things on the video, if I ever actually put it on YouTube.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: You might hit the mic at some point.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just be prepared.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just right in our face.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Every time we look up, he's in one of our faces.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's really easy.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like Oh, where are you?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did I kill him?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Try.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like we're friends now.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are not friends.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Get him.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I got him.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: You did?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry if you heard that.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no! Okay, well I'm not gonna clap.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, I'm not gonna clap every 10 seconds in front of them again.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's he gets the message.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think he went away temporarily.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: A little just got shown his boss.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So me and Robbie got a compost, like bin situation thing.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we got that like two months ago.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's been going well.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: We've been really good about, you know, getting rid of all of our old like fruit, veggies, whatever, coffee grounds, eggshells.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's been great.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: But there's tons of fruit flies in the compost, which is fine because they're they stay there mostly, but occasionally we get one or two that come in the house and they just torture us on end.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: At least they don't like I have mosquito problems at my place because I live off of a golf course, and when it rains, like oh my gosh, all of the mosquitoes, it's like a swamp.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they're the ones that leave the really big welts.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not just a little annoying mosquito bite.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not joking.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get a bite sometimes that is like the size of a golf ball.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like it'll just swell up super big.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we get them at night.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: They like bite our oh now I'm itchy thinking about it.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: They bite our legs, and we we're constantly having to do different um like the the best ointment is called no bite me.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it smells almost like an Aveda product, which is weird.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's nice.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like the old school stuff used to, like what that's called calamine lotion.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's like poison ivy.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Or like the alcoholic type spray, like it's really like chemically.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, we have all kinds of bug deterrents that we have to use.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So what's shocking is like this fruit fly is not going after the food so much.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like just us in our wine.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do I smell?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't shower today.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I showered last night.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: You look great.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that too much?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Is that too personal to share to everyone?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean people have to know who you are.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes a nice evening shower is kind of nice.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, if you showered at night, that's fine.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: You are you normally a nighttime shower person?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: You kind of are.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like when we travel, you shower at night, no?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: No?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it depends.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: It depends on the mood.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: It really depends if I don't want to wake up early and shower.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I feel you.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes you just want to get it out of the way.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can't work out or anything then.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I have to shower in the morning because it's the only thing that like truly wakes me up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm just like beast in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Oh, you know me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am not in a morning person.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I really need a good splash of water in the face and an hour of no conversation, and then I'm ready.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just a mild 16-mile run.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I could get a long run in, that'd be great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, funny.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we had some fun before um getting ready to record this because we've talked a lot about our lineage.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we went down another lineage route.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: We did.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the whole reason we started this podcast was because, like, in the first brunch Megan and I ever had together, we were getting to know each other, we found out that I'm a descendant of Mary Boleyn and she's a descendant of Thomas More.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that like we were both already like, we were both already into like English history, tutor history, and that just kind of set off like a chain of events that was like, we need to start talking about this.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the way I found out, again, it's always been told in my family we were related to Beheaded Queen, but the way I like verified it was through this website called Family Search.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not a plug for Family Search, but if you want to support us, please reach out.
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  SPEAKER_00: If anyone's available and you want to talk to us, please email beheadedpodcast at gmail.com.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Beheaded.podcast.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you at gmail.com.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we like so like they have a new feature where it gave me a little notification and it was like, hey, you're related to Susan B.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Anthony.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my god, that's really amazing.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've never really known any other kind of famous people in my family.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I clicked on it and it was like, would you like to see all of your famous relatives?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then it shows you this list of it was my my list was insane.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was mostly from my maternal grandmother's side, which is my Boleyn side.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I've always said it's funny that like the Bolin family could just die out and not become relevant anymore.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: But but this kind of showed that that's not necessarily true, that there was a lot of like famous Americans that I wasn't anticipating.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I open up this link and it shows me and it shows the exact relationship to each person.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I was shocked.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: The list is crazy.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was like it was like Ronald Reagan, Jane Austen, uh Lucille Ball, Judy Garland, Judy Garland, um Walt Disney.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Walt Disney.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Knowing literally, as we're recording, there's just like Disney blankets patting the walls right now for soundproof.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like insane.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it tells you each one, like, this is your tenth cousin twice removed.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were pretty distant, but you're but you still have blood relations, and that's really cool.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Winston Churchill.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: You are obsessed.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I've always been so obsessed with Winston Churchill.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: For years you've known this.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And like I've obviously been obsessed with Disney, like no-brainer.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And Jane Austen, like it's all people who you love.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy, which is weird.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you could, you would take meetings in a bathtub with a cigar, probably.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: And like absolutely.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so but so I told Megan, I was so excited, and I was like, Megan, you have to do this.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, please get on this.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone can do it, it's free.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not like it's ancestry.com, you don't have to pay for it.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually through the Mormon Church.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it's through the Mormon Church, but very detailed church records and super helpful website.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: FamilySearch.com.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So my family, I've always been told that we were related to Sir Thomas More because my great-grandmother of the Moore family, which is spelled different.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I will say that.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Can I that was one of the things it was so hilarious in one of the like videos we posted about Sir Thomas Moore people were arguing comments of people arguing about the spelling of his name?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is M-O-R-E, but for whatever reason, my family at throughout the years they added an O.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: For what it is.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about this, but like all of the queens have literally had different spellings of their names in their lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it wasn't that uncommon for the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't as documented.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, my great-grandmother paid for a historian.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was before all of the online searches, clearly.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she paid for a historian who tracked it back to Sir Thomas More.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we've always been raving about that.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: But today I had a huge discovery because so my grandmother, there's the Moore side of the family, and there's the Easley side of the family.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we never really looked into the Easley side of the family, but today we did.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Easley went to came from the Heart family because it changes as you know, there's females in the lineage.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I kept seeing the same last name pop up.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's not a common name.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: You might recognize it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shakespeare.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going through the lineage.
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  SPEAKER_01: William Shakespeare is my 12th great uncle.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm directly related to his younger sister, Joan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joan Shakespeare was my 12th grandmother.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: The younger sister of William Shakespeare.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like mind-blown even to saying this.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: I literally just found it.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: I spit it.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I was so excited.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Spittled.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Spittled.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we called your mom.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: I called my mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Mom, did you know we're related to William Shakespeare?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: His father, Thomas Shakespeare, then, is my Was it John?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: John.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: John?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was John.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: John.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thomas was his father.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: John Shakespeare, who's William Shakespeare's father, is my 13th grandfather.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: So crazy crazy.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you've been to Shakespeare's childhood home.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: I just.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Which means that's your family.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: That was my family home.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't even know what I was looking at.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, wow, this is really cool.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: William Shakespeare grew up here.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: My uncle.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Bill?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Billy.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Billy?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: So please look into this.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, again, especially if you're a student of history, you love history, like you might be shocked of who you're related to.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: And again, yes, a lot of these are distant relations of like, oh you had big people in there that are.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I had I had three American presidents.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was crazy.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy how cool that is.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Again, and I've always made the joke of like, oh, we're the side of the family that came to America and got less famous.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: And like, actually, these people are pretty damn famous.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel pretty legit right now.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I did say the dumbest thing though.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if I should repeat this because I'm actually embarrassed by how stupid it was.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you say?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Earlier, when you were like, I'm related to Susan B.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anthony, I was like, You're black?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I can't believe I was confusing her with Rosa Parks.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: You thought I meant Rosa Parks, and you were like, Oh, like that's interesting.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which I am related to Booker T.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Washington, who is African American.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I do have like, it's not a huge percentage.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's three percent-ish in my life.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm about, yeah, I'm about the same.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: My mom is 9% Nigerian.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Which she didn't.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, from like the 23 in me.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's so cool to see just yeah, the random little small slivers you get in your in your history.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I encourage anyone to look it up.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: I also don't want to say it's.com because it might be a.org, just FYI.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just do family search.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Just look up family search.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a great site.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's free.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can find out so much information.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's really cool.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we had a cool afternoon, just like discovering that.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I just love that you're related to Walt Disney and Jane Austen because that is your personality.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: And Winston Churchill.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: And Winston Churchill.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like literally, like the people that I've I don't want to say worship, but like people that I've loved so much.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've admired them for so long.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Jane Austen themed room.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have an entire room that's literally based off of like Jane Austen in my house.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that was really cool.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so it weirdly makes sense.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you were a creative writing major.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm basically Shakespeare.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: So Megan equals Shakespeare.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: For all of my old professors who gave me poor grades when I was an English major.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Jokes on you.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Jokes on you.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna say to that?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I got it in my blood.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I knew you were a poet, Megan.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, thank you.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Your way with words.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, well, we have a um.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: The only way I can describe our execution story for today is it's kind of comical.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of fitting.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Fitting?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the punishment fits the crime.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: The punishment does fit the crime on this one.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good one.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we have execution stories that we feel really bad about.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's been some that I felt like were really heavy on me.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: We usually sympathize with the execution-ee in most situations.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Most situations.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this one we're just kind of laughing about.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're just kind of like, what an idiot.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna so that wasn't a hook.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Stay tuned till the end to be like, wow, what an idiot.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: I hope a listener reaches out and they're like, Well, I looked on Family Search, and that person you called an idiot is my 20th grandpa.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Vic, we're so sorry.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe you should not share that out loud.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our person of the day is George Honauer.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Did I say that correctly?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think you did.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hahnauer.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And George is spelled a little different because I believe it's a German name, but it's G-E-O-R-G.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: No E at the end.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: H-O-N-A-U-E-R.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Good job.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna start with just setting up the scene here of who George was.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: George was not born George.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: What was his name when he was born?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: I forget.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, that is his name.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was his name?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was his real name.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Starting off great.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: He did the reason I'm getting confused is he had some alias names.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, okay, so George is how he was born.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: He was born in 1572 in Moravia, which is now the Czech Republic.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we don't have a lot about his childhood or how he grew up, but he then takes on these alias names.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, what was the alias name then?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the main alias name that he used, and this is a longer name and it's very German, but it's Her Zu Brunhof von Grobschutz, if I said that correctly.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a very long name, but he used it so he could claim that to be a blacksmith and an alchemist.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: He was those things, like he practiced those things, but I think it was very much like he went through probably a rebrand phase of like, this is my new name and this is my new identity and my new occupations.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he falsified a lot of records to be this person.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: When in doubt, if you really just want people to believe it, just make a really long complicated name so that they don't wanna they're gonna say, yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, okay, that that checks.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call you grobe.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we don't need to look into it.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's complicated.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So he has this long, complicated name, and um he eventually then, yeah, blacksmith somehow turns into goldsmith and then an alchemist.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the world of alchemy in medieval Europe is very interesting.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: It is like this is again like a time where I think science is still kind of gaining foot because this is medieval transitioning into Renaissance era.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um and alchemy was seen in a lot of different ways.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've always interpret alchemy as oh, you can turn something into gold, like a metal into gold, or a thread into gold, like rumpel steel skin.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but alchemy was, I guess, deeper than that.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it had been around essentially since Egyptian times, um, very much practiced by like the ancient Greeks, uh, back to Aristotle, and practiced by uh ancient Chinese cultures.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And there was different, I guess, subsets within alchemy.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: So there was one part of alchemy, and I'm gonna reference Harry Potter here.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: You really can't.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't not reference it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was um it was essentially the the goal was to find the elixir of life, right?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like the immortality um solution.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: The philosopher's stone.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: The philosopher's stone.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or for us dumb Americans, the sorcerer's stone.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sorcerer's stone.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: So silly.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: I always hate that device.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So stupid.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so that was one branch was essentially the quest for immortality.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And whether that whether that was through a stone or an elixir, like the point was to have some sort of immortal life.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Good for trying, honestly.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean when at that point when we don't know, at least now we know that's not a thing.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're not.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: As far as we know, it could still be.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're still trying.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: They were ambitious to find that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was one major goal of alchemy, and there were a couple other purposes as well.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: One was Ponseus.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Am I saying that right?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I hope so.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't write it down actually.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't actually write it down.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to remember it from how I read it.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: The other goal was to cure diseases.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds great.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: So Ponseus was that, right?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't that to cure diseases?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: To cure a disease.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: So to find some type of base metal or something or something that's going to just like clear you of because they they believed that what you ate you became you.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Which is technically not true.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's like when you eat part of your body, yeah, your body goes through chemical processes and and that becomes part of your body, whether it's through your blood or obviously like you know, your muscles, your fats, like all of that stuff.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: It like that comes from things you consume.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: So their logic was like, well, if you can eat things and there's a chemical process that either helps or hurts you, there might be a way to also apply that same thing for again, like the quest to cure disease.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like getting you out.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was medicine, but it the point of it was like a cure all for everything.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I never quite envisioned, sorry, going back to the philosopher's stone, how exactly that would have worked.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is it just you have to hold it?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have to turn it around three times?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have to keep it in your pocket like Harry does?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: The stone I never knew.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I never understood it.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: The cutter makes more sense to me.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what a lot of it is.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do with the stone that makes you immortal?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just you can't do it in a little crystal and you do like a crystal ritual.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: The way Dumbledore explained it is those who have the stone have it, but don't use it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, no, that's the mirror of Aracid.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you get it.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you get it.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was the mirror of Aroced.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Never.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how the stone works, but I'm not gonna stress out about it either.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's something you or I need to solve in our lifetime.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: But we'll let you know.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: You rub it on your arm a little bit.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: But and then what was the third one?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the third part of alchemy is probably the most famous one, which is again turning metal into a pre or sorry, per turning like something like lead or iron or like a lesser metal into a precious metal.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Usually gold.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Gold was the goal.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think most alchemists that was what they were trying to do was like, okay, how can we get rich quick?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: How can we turn whatever substance into gold?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it was believed, there was this like um, I guess, this logic behind it was that every metal on earth exists naturally in a constant state of the evolution towards gold.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: So they believed like gold was kind of the final state of matter, like the final, I guess, I don't know if you want to call it compound.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, but like that was their belief back in the day.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you don't know, you don't know.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: They thought that if you could heat something up long enough and hot enough, it would go through the different changes, eventually going from red, like the philosopher's stone, into gold.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they did think too, like again, that through the again, I'm not I don't know the transmutation.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Transmutation, yeah, but and I don't know the rest of the like scientific terms for the transmutation.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a science podcast.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is a history podcast.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: But uh we're doing great.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're doing great.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: But like say you start with like a metal that's that's black.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like they did were they were able to transform that black metal into like maybe a white metal and then into a yellow metal.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: So in that way, they could almost even fool people to be like, oh, look, I turned this black metal into yellow, thus it's gold.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you know, to the common eye, I think people were like, wow, like alchemy is real.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like there was enough evidence to support that this was a branch of science at the time, and people did believe it.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is one of those things you want to believe in, right?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I wish I could just find a way to make gold.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you want to believe there's an immortality solution, you want to believe there's a uh a stone that's gonna make you healthy for your whole life, and you want to believe that anything can be turned into gold.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like you kind of buy it, you like you know, buy into that belief a little bit.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing too once everybody has access to it, it loses its value.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So going back to turning metal into gold, turning iron, turning lead into gold.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is gold valuable?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Does gold, yeah.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Does gold, if anybody can get their hands on it, what makes it precious now and what makes it valuable?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't think that far ahead.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good idea.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, I will be the only one who has all the gold.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, loser, everyone's gonna figure it out.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like, you know, the gold is coveted, yes, because it's a strong metal, but also because it's rare.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you kind of lose that rarity.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Or does the converted gold become more rare because of the like science and the magic behind it of that changed?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Again, questions we probably don't have to answer in our life.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: These are the things we ask Chat GPT.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, we'll play around with that later.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so essentially alchemy is kind of this hot practice going on at the time.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so here is, you know, we're gonna call him George because that's his name.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna call him by his alias.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but George is again going around saying that he can convert uh iron into precious metal or gold.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, we have this person, Duke Friedrich of you were gonna say it better.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Duke of Wartenberg and Stuttgart.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: The Duke of Wurttemberg in Stuttgart, and he's actively looking for uh new resources.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: He even like put out a thing to his subject, like a notice to his subject saying, Whoever discover discovers promising or deposits or whatever.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: He had a LinkedIn post.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now hiring alchemists.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Truly, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, you know, rewards for anyone who can like figure this out because he has all these ambitious projects that he needs funding for, and he's kind of desperate for like an influx of cash.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and you you know a little bit more about what he was looking to do.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he had a few motives.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's why.
• 21:26
  unknown: Right.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: From once, from once he got his hands on the on the gold.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the first thing he wanted to do was he wanted to convince uh Rudolf II, who was the Holy Roman Emperor, to basically release some of the territories um from the Austrian control.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So he wanted to get some territories back.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then he had these utopian projects in mind.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: He wanted to create this new city, which would have been more like a Protestant refuge.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And again, we're in German area era.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Area.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're in German era and German areas.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, Queen Elizabeth is on the throne in England right now and she is Protestant, but we are in Germany right now, which um Protestants were still being persecuted.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's what he wanted the money for.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so when he came across George, like, and the way the way it happened was I believe one of George's friends who was in an army unit saw him allegedly convert like a bullet into gold.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: He said that he could draw gold from the lead bullet.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Which makes no sense, but sure.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: So he's raving about his friend, and of course, now the Duke is like, yeah, I want to meet this guy, then let's let's put something together.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get an interview going here.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, there was some sort of small-scale demonstration where George was able to show him, and maybe it was through the process we described before of like when you heat up.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Just melted it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you just melt it and you're like, look, it's white.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's yellow.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like look at the colors.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Look at the colors.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: So the quote was he produced, quote, at least as good a Ducat quality gold.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And a ducat is um like a gold coin.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Gold coin that they used in medieval Europe.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I'm wondering, and maybe you'll agree with me after you hear his full story.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering if he just like did a little one-two exchange.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did he have did he have gold in his pocket?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Was it like an old trick and like, oh, distraction over here, and then changes it out.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Or sleight of hand action.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I we we didn't get a lot of information on what was so compelling during this demonstration that had them move forward with these next steps.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we convinced him.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we think it was either a sleight of hand or again just a demonstration to show through a melted process.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, look, it's changing.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but George came forward and said, Yeah, I can produce 800 ducats, again, the coins um worth of gold from 100 pounds of iron.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: So as long as you give me 100 pounds of iron, I can create uh 800 ducates for you.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, Frederick, who isn't really wanting to doubt him, you know, his eyes get big and he says, Great, I have the summer house in Stugart, and it's gonna be converted into a lab, and you can have anything you want to make this happen.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: The investing behind this, the funding that he now gets to produce the gold.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Originally, Duke Frederick he asks for 200,000 florins.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Florence?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's not florens.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was Ducat, sorry.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: So he wants 200,000 Ducats to start with.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: That was like his first order.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Great, I want 200,000, even though the initial claim was like, oh, I can make 800 Ducates.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Right, cool, that's nice.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: I want 200,000 of them.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so first, like George was a little smart in this way where he was like, okay, I'm gonna need more resources than that if you want that many Ducats.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they they agreed to, okay, what's reasonable is George could produce 36,000 Ducats monthly.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: That was their compromise.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: That was their their target goal, that was their production rate.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's their quota.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: That the quota was was uh 36,000 ducates a month indefinitely.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he had to keep producing the 36,000 every single month.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like no other country or territory is gonna be like, How are you getting all this money?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's just gonna miraculously appear.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like money laundering, right?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: It feels a little dirty.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're just like printing money.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but again, George is a little bit clever, and so what does he do?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's not just like, Great, leave me alone in my lab, I'll get it done.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: He tries to make it more complicated by saying, Okay, yeah, I know I said I needed a hundred pounds of iron, but actually I'm gonna need more.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: So he wanted over like two tons of iron to be transported to him.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: So now they're paying for the iron and the transport.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're paying for um over a thousand pounds, and I'm gonna say this wrong, but of salt pector, whatever that is, um, and eighteen hundred pounds of oh, lead, so I guess the two tons was for another material.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it was traveling 150 miles.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: And additionally, they needed white copper and something called mountain antimony.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: So now he's just making this huge laundry list of things, you know, and I'm picturing it like, I mean, if you're a Marvel fan, like a Tony Stark in the cave, where he's like, Yeah, here's all the supplies I need.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: And like maybe he's like either like again doing another side project where he's like, Okay, I'm just gonna actually escape with this extra stuff you're giving me, or it's like uh this is all just pure distraction so I can figure out how to get out of this situation.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because his asking goals were high.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was trying to make it in a way that Frederick was like, Oh, well, I can't do that.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's impossible.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then it's not gonna work out.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, you can't get me two tons of metal transported over 150 miles.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: But Frederick freaking does it.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: He actually Frederick's like, great, what else do you need?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I am also picturing like from the Santa Claus when all the like boxes show up at his door.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, whoa.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: George just opens the door and he's like, they're like, Yes, Sarah, can you sign for this?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: We have two tons of iron for you for delivery.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Oh shit, what do I do with all of this?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, George was in a situation where I think any of us can identify with this, where he's like, I got myself in way too deep here, so what does he do?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: He flees.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: He flees.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: That that was his answer.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was in too deep, he knew there was no no solution, he left.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: At this time, he's what, 22 years old?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So he's a little young and dumb.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um 22 when he started.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: At this point, he's 24, though.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm getting the dates right here.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: So just just to picture.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: So picture yourself at 23 years old.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you're not 23 yet, just wait till you make the dumb decisions.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not making the best choices in his life.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Figure trying to think how can I get ahead and how can I rise above without actually doing the real work.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he he tried to swindle them.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he flees.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 28:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Frederick trying to get him back, creates seven different portraits for wanted posters for him.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're beautiful.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't this isn't like just a simple wanted poster.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is a full-on like portrait that they had to make of him.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Based on memory.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's probably stoked he finally has a formal portrait of himself.
• 28:36
  unknown: Yeah.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: You had a great reference.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: It reminds me of uh Flynn Ryder from uh Tangled, where it's like these little portraits of him pop up, but they're all slightly different, like different noses.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, they just can't get my nose right.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm imagining that.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: This could be a movie.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: This whole thing needs to be a show or a movie or something.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: So these portraits go out again, all they all look slightly different.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's trying to find him.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: And Frederick at this point, too, uh, he's not really just wanting to apprehend George to like get him in trouble.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to apprehend him because he still believes in him.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, you can't just abandon your task.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, this is a lot, but we need you to produce this gold.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I think he's still believing in him.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I know you're nervous, honey.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I believe in you.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can do this.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here to support you.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Don't run away.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Face your face your fears.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Really, though, George, he's just assuming he's going to be arrested as soon as he as they find him.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't even know about his alias yet.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: They don't know about half of it, that he is pretending to be someone else, pretending to be an alchemist.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, though, George, I think, realizes there's no running from it.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now there are seven portraits of him on these wanted posters.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Floating around out there.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: He eventually does come back.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, when they figure out I fled because I actually don't know what the hell I'm doing, they do arrest him.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's indicted not for like all of that, really.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's indicted for impersonating nobility.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's the charge that they got him on.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't really care about all the lies that he could actually change things into gold, that he falsified any of that information.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was more that you pretended to be somebody else.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: And somebody who was of a higher status than you are.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can't you can't ever after it.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Ever after it.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of references in this one.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Nicol or Contest Nicole de l'Ancre.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they also did label him as something that was called a betruger, which is a term that was literally made for unsuccessful alchemists.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: It it doesn't necessarily mean you're a fraud, it just means like, hey, you tried and you're not that good at alchemy.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't quite, you know, think highly of him at this point.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Again, even though the indictment was technically for like falsifying papers and claiming your nobility, uh, the fact that he was a Betzruger was also just a like smear on his name.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you wonder how common that actually was, though, or how difficult would it have actually been to falsify your status?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because we've always talked about names aren't even really recorded.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Back in the day, it was so much easier to get away with a false identity, I think.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how people even find out who you actually are, because again, there's hardly any records of your like birth.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have formal education, you don't really have record of that.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if they really had like identification of any kind or papers.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe I it's like inventing Anna, the girl who um I forgot her last name, but you know, you know what I'm talking about.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: The girl who the Russian girl who said that she was an heiress, the German heiress, yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: The German heiress and she wasn't, like modern just recently.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like modern day, that would be so much harder to do.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I always think about my my girlfriends that have gotten married and had to change their last names.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like the amount of paperwork, and like luckily you got married too before there was a time where like all the social media was around too.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you have to change.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean, you know, that's that's not easy.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like my friend who I had a friend who just got married, actually the one from Hawaii, shout up.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: But she was trying to like change her Instagram handle or whatever, and it was like she couldn't find one that fit because they were all taken, you know what I mean?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: So she couldn't have her new last name.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Troubles of modern day.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's so silly, but I know it's like ridiculous.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just saying, the like you would have to change your ID, your passport, your voter registration, like all new because I didn't even change my last name, I just got a new password.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: A new federal yeah, and a federal ID, and it took forever.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, geez.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well now, now when you get married, they do like you can purchase a box or like a package that gives you everything up front, and it's step by step, like you have to do the social security and this, yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh and it's like you pick you pay for it.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much it is, like a hundred plus.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't don't hold me to that.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much it costs.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but you can buy these packages now that are intended for brides of everything that you have to change.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Damn.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: 2012, we did not have that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna do that.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and then and every I don't know, it it is funny because I mean 2012 wasn't that long ago, but when I think back of having to physically stand in line at all these different places to do things, yeah, it really was in all your banks, all of your checking accounts, all of your credit cards.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is a lot.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's too much for me.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep what I got.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a little mad at myself because I think when I did change my name to my um because big reveal.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: I go by my maiden name.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: My maiden name for the show.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: But um because of the history.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I never actually really said that out loud.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't, I know.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have an alias, sort of, kind of.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's you, but an alias.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: But um, anyways.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um but your Mary name is different.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: My Mary name is different.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: If you're like, wait, didn't you say that your grandfather was Thomas More?
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so anyways, that is my family name.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: But where was I going with this stupid story?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're saying back in 2012.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've literally lost my train of thought here.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was just about how how difficult it is to change.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that was the point of my story.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I'm done and I'm gonna stop.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: I am more composed this time than last time.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Last time I was in a weird mental state in the last episode.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: We had to just get through it and get you some some drinks.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was hard to listen to to to edit because I was talking so fast.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: You were you were ready to go.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, okay.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just talking really fast.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was editing, I was like, Megan.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 34:43
  unknown: Take a breath.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Take a breath.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Today's a Sunday and we're relaxed.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sunday.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's all right.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Robbie just built all new patio furniture for you.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're completely just off of the story now.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not from hand, but like assembled.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go enjoy that afterwards.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now we're in a calm place where after this, we're gonna go sit on the patio and enjoy some drinks out there.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: We were sit with a dog.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: We were saying, though, it is very hard to change your name, and George did it somehow.
• 35:12
  unknown: Okay.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: God, I completely butchered this.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Where were we?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: I also have one more thing to say before we move on with the story.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, have you seen the movie Night's Tale with Heath Legends?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, okay.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who hasn't?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've weirdly been thinking about that movie a lot, and I really need to watch it again soon.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: With Paul Bettney.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's so cute in it.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's funny.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, but you know how like at the very end they reveal that he is actually noble because they have that ancient scroll.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: He just gave away the ending for anyone who might want to watch it.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm sorry.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you haven't seen Night's Tale by Now and you're a fan of our show, like go go watch it immediately and you'll know what I'm saying.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's no spoilers here.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, like I feel like that's the only way they had any kind of record back then.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, you know, maybe some scrolls put like put in like a library or a monastery or something, you know, like that just maybe had some proof, but yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: George, I think, was probably doing this fairly easily.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: That though.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's no stamp of them.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's no well, even that if they had a seal of any kind, it was probably very easy to mimic a wax seal or a like if you had a good artist, they can do anything.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Just ways to think about it.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but George didn't work out for him.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: They do, they do catch him, they realize he's a fake, he's a fraud, he's impersonating, and this is where it gets funny.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, he did actually try to appeal as well to the Holy Roman Emperor.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: How sad.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but how embarrassing.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was denied.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: George, just give it up.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know you you failed.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's only 24 years old by this time, not very smart.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: So the most what felt like the most fitting punishment for his crime was not just to be hanged.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, but they converted all of the iron that he was unable to make into gold.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: They turned it into the gallows.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty bad.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: That is the coolest thing I've ever heard.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that was obviously a tall order.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: So they turned all of that into a 30-foot-tall structure.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was the tallest uh gallo structure in the German Empire.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: A metal gallow structure.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: How menacing.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: And how long does that take?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: How much?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, I do have some facts on that.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like after they wasted all the money on the resources, so they invested more money.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: All so let's just keep in mind he wanted money, that's why he was doing all this.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he did, yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: So to build this giant iron gallow, it cost back then 3,000 florins.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa, which if you convert that from 1596 to today and then convert the florins into US dollars for our American listeners, right?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: It costs approximately between 300 to 450,000 to build this structure.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a second home condo somewhere.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, was it worth it?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Was it worth it, Frederick?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: I actually think it was.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: What a stubborn guy and be like, nope, I don't care the dollar.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: I want him to feel like an idiot.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they not only did that, so poor Fre or Greg Greg.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Greg.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: What's his name?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: George.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Poor George had to be led to this giant gallow structure mocking him.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: And he also had to wear a gold, like a glittery gold cloak.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like a cloak embedded in like glitter gold.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just to remind him of the gold he couldn't create for him.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like rub it in.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: And she went out in style.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, at least like they didn't do anything physically terrible to do it.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: They really did.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I think this is kind of funny, this whole thing.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was more like, what an idiot.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not saying, I mean, obviously being hanged is terrible.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: But compared to some of the other people, it could have been worse.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't drawn and quartered.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think they tortured him.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: He he really got off pretty like not got off, but it was a pretty clean sentence.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: And imagine the spectacle.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine all the people coming just to see this structure.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if it was hot.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: The day was April 2nd, 1597.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if it was hot metal.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like if it was a little toasty outside.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Germany is a little hot in April.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've never been to Germany.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've been to Germany.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: When did you go?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: What time of year?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I went in June.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: And there were some hot days, yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty warm.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: I could see April being a little bit toasty there.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: This fly, this through fly went straight into my face just now.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at Elizabeth and she's like being serious and just like looks like she just ate a lemon.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Lord.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: This fly loves us.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know, really loves my face.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: But they did they did put the gallows into future use.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a one-and-done situation.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So don't worry.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: There were more executions.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: It definitely got its money's worth.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Almost, I don't know.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's half almost half a million dollars.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: In today's terms.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I didn't read if they ever tore it down.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming they did, but did they ever Where is it?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, did they melt it down and repurpose that?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like we never really got a follow-up on that.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know it was last it okay.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: So here are some of the additional executions that they used for it.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: There were three more alchemists that they used who evidently didn't learn after Georgia's situation in 1600, 1601, and 1606.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Out of use for a while, but then in 1738, they they hanged someone else on it, and that body and forty years later, yeah.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they hanged someone else on it, and that body was hanging there until 1744.
• 40:55
  unknown: Damn.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: They had that body up for six years until a new politician got in and was like, can we do something about this?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Can we put this?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, is there sentiment of value here?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do we need to keep this up for a reason?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, take that shit down.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to see the current area though, you know, to see if there's a like a plaque or a memorial or anything like that.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, I didn't even think of that.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know what happened to the gallows after.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see if I can do a quick search.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, stoolgart.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: But wait, there's more.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Iron gallows today.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Gibbeting?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Mary Search?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's not who we wanted.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, I can't find anything on this.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the guy, here's the guy from Execute It Today, our buddy.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yay.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: This was the guy who was um gibbeted in 1738.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we got more pictures now of what it actually okay.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: So let's can you try to describe what we're looking at?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I I can post pictures of this when we do the episode release.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is a hard structure to describe.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: But it looks like essentially there's like four corners, and each corner looks like almost a little like almost teepee-like structure, right?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're like beams kind of supported on each other.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the four corners go up to like one big crossbar that connects them all.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's this, like, well, this is probably just for the gibbeting part, but there's like a big post that goes up and then out at a 90-degree angle with the gibbet on the end of that.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a little birdcage.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a hard thing.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: I pictured this much different.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: I pictured it different too.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that the whole base was made out of metal.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: This almost looks like it's made out of stone.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: The the actual scaffolding part, like the stage area.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: But then they created the iron, all of these like poles going up.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: We might have to do an episode on this guy.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: It says Jewish banker Joseph Sus Oppenheimer was hanged in a metal.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oppenheimer.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: In the 1700s.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta find what he was overthrown by rival courtiers.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Courtiers?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: I never say that right.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: After the death of his ducal patron.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, I like this.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're gonna file this guy away for season seven.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, these gallows, I I don't know what happened to them, but it was a pretty permanent structure if they were using it 140 years later.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: We might have to do more research, and maybe we'll give you guys a follow-up on what the heck happened to this giant thing because it is big.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see it.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine if that was just like someplace in a like an antique store.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: What if it's just like a playground now?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: What if you couldn't buy it, put it in your backyard, and put a swing on it?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Robbie is setting up some new furniture outside where we're gonna do it.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: We should give him some ideas.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: It would look beautiful next to my new patio set.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my friends, that is the story of George Han Hour.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of straightforward to the point, but it was too good to not share.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good one.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a little like he put all of this on himself.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I like that we had this episode and the Roman gold one a few episodes back on the same season, you know?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember that.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, the molten gold down the throat.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, yes.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of metals in this season.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: We love gold.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we're manifesting something.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe there's good luck in our future.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is St.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Patrick's Day tomorrow, so.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Are you doing anything?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's a Monday.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if it wasn't a Monday, I would do something more fun, but probably not.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Probably just make a big feast and watch Yellowstone, the most Irish show of all time.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should watch um Brave.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she's Scottish.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, she's Scottish.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking something with um who's the oh my gosh.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the actor, the hot Irish actor?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Connor McGregor.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's in um Saving Mr.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Banks.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Colin Farrell.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's Australian, I thought.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he is Irish.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I think he's Australian?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because that movie is he's Australian.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I've been re-watching Dairy Girls.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'll probably watch that tomorrow too.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: That show is hilarious.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, wow, we've really had a lot of tangents on this one.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that, everybody.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're not.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: We don't apologize.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: But happy St.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or as Robbie's Italian father says, St.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick was Italian.
• 45:15
  unknown: St.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Patrick's Day.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I saw, um I saw, I went to the graveside of St.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Patrick's brother.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're not gonna tell whatever the story or something.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I stole a rock and I still have it.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Lovely naked.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Elizabeth, we're gonna go chase some more gold on the St.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Patrick's stadium.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Any final words?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Not until next time.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let me say they're after me, lucky charms.