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[Alabama] The Murder of Charlotte Waites · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to Blessed Smith's Southern True Crime Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kara, here with Stu.
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  Speaker 3: Say hey, Stu. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, this week we are going to Lanette, Alabama.
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  Speaker 3: Is that how you pronounce it? Are we going to
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  Speaker 3: get into a Valdosta, Valdosta problem?
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  Speaker 2: Manitoba, Alabama, where a beloved educator and the wife of
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  Speaker 2: the town's acting mayor was found murdered inside her own home.
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  Speaker 2: And it would take eight years before a jury would
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  Speaker 2: finally convict somebody.
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  Speaker 3: You stop it.
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  Speaker 2: I would never lie.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the murder of Charlotte Waits.
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  Speaker 3: I got a rocker.
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  Speaker 3: Did you? How long is that going to go on?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see. We had our first club
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  Speaker 2: meeting this past week, and so.
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean a club meeting? People actually, you
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  Speaker 3: FaceTime with people?
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  Speaker 2: No. What happened? No, it's just like a virtual club. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we're just like, this is the club.
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  Speaker 3: The club. So you just talk to everybody else on
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  Speaker 3: a video?
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  Speaker 2: I just post a video and recommend like a Lifetime
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  Speaker 2: style 1990s, 2000s. Like the movies I used to watch
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  Speaker 2: on Lifetime growing up. My mom used to spend like
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  Speaker 2: all Saturday. You just have a Lifetime on those, like
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  Speaker 2: based on a true story made for TV.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what's wrong with you. That's where it all started. Probably.
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  Speaker 2: That and Dateline. Anyway, so I've got that one going.
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  Speaker 2: It's not an actual club, Stu, that Everett Pete. No,
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  Speaker 2: no one showed up at our house and we didn't
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  Speaker 2: all just watch a movie together.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you were like the neighbor and
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  Speaker 3: you just do like a video thing where people participate
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  Speaker 3: and chat.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about next. Sit and sip and bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: And I am doing a deep dive for all of
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  Speaker 2: you into our neighbor. Except for Stu saw that he
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  Speaker 2: had a neon sign turned on in his window on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: and he didn't. I said, well, what did it say?
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  Speaker 2: And by the time I saw it, the light was off,
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  Speaker 2: so you couldn't see it. I told Stu, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what did it say? He's like, I don't know. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: how did you not take a picture of it? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Doing some investigating.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like a bar neon sign. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what's on it. It just looks like a yellow shield
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  Speaker 3: of some sort.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's because that's his moniker for his.
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  Speaker 2: Organization that he has.
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  Speaker 3: It's a shield?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's a yellow shield looking thing. I can't, I'm
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  Speaker 3: too far away and too blind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think I know what it probably is
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  Speaker 2: written on it, but we're going to make up a
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  Speaker 2: different name for the thing so we can talk.
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  Speaker 3: About it.
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  Speaker 2: And respect his privacy.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Try to.
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  Speaker 2: Try to, yeah. And as always, the absolute best free
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  Speaker 2: All right, so grab your mason jars and let's get
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  Speaker 2: into today's case.
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  Speaker 3: It was Tuesday, August 4th, 1998 in Lanette, Alabama. Lanette
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  Speaker 3: sits in Chambers County right along the Alabama-Georgia state line.
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  Speaker 3: It's the kind of place where people tend to know
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  Speaker 3: one another, kind of like this neighborhood these days. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: People just showing up, introducing themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: They know who works at the schools, who serves on
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  Speaker 3: the city council, who has lived in the town for years,
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  Speaker 3: and whose family has roots in the community going to
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  Speaker 3: the way back winds. Charlotte Waits was 49 years old.
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  Speaker 3: She worked in education and had served in the Chambers
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  Speaker 3: County and Lanet school systems for years. She was familiar
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  Speaker 3: to people in her town and not a stranger passing through,
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  Speaker 3: but a mother, educator, and community member whose absence would
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  Speaker 3: be noticed.
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  Speaker 2: That afternoon, emergency services were called to the Waits home.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte had been found unresponsive at the bottom of the stairs.
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  Speaker 2: The person who found her was her daughter, Heather, who
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  Speaker 2: had returned home from college. At first glance, the location
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  Speaker 2: where Charlotte was found could have made people wonder whether,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she'd fallen due to tripping or had some
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  Speaker 2: sort of medical emergency or something like that. Stairs are
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  Speaker 2: a great way to staged.
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  Speaker 3: Cover-up a crime?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a murder, yes. But the scene did not look
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  Speaker 2: like a simple accident. Pictures had been knocked from the walls.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte's purse appeared to have been overturned. Investigators found bloody
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  Speaker 2: towels hidden in a laundry bin. Charlotte had a broken wrist,
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  Speaker 2: scratch marks, and other injuries that suggested a violent struggle
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  Speaker 2: had happened inside the home.
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  Speaker 3: Charlotte's husband was Barry Waits. He arrived after learning something
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  Speaker 3: had happened. At the time, Barry was a well-known figure
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  Speaker 3: in the land. He had served on the city council
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  Speaker 3: and had been acting mayor. He also worked at the
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  Speaker 3: National Guard Armory.
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  Speaker 2: So he's well into the... They're pillars of the community.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, yes. In the hours after Charlotte's death, the town
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  Speaker 3: was left looking at a terrible scene. A respected woman
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  Speaker 3: dead in her own home, her children were devastated, and
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  Speaker 3: her husband saying that he had been at work when
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  Speaker 3: it happened. Barry's account was that he had been at
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  Speaker 3: work all day and came home after Heather had contacted him.
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  Speaker 2: But police had a crime scene to process, an autopsy
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  Speaker 2: to wait for, and a long list of questions. Like
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  Speaker 2: we were saying, is this a tragic fall with her
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  Speaker 2: purse being overturned? Are we dealing with a burglary, a
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  Speaker 2: break-in that she, you know, accidentally interrupted, an attack by
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  Speaker 2: someone unknown to the family? Or had the person responsible
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  Speaker 2: been much closer to Charlotte than anyone initially wanted to imagine?
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  Speaker 2: A short time later, the autopsy gave investigators a much
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  Speaker 2: clearer answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Charlotte had not died in the fall. The autopsy
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  Speaker 3: determined that she had been strangled with the decorative strings
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  Speaker 3: from her blouse. She had injuries to her face and
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  Speaker 3: severe trauma to her head. Authorities said the head injuries
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  Speaker 3: could have been fatal on their own. Her death was
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  Speaker 3: ruled a homicide.
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  Speaker 2: The decorative strings from her blouse.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: What a way to go. The finding changed the entire
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  Speaker 2: direction of the investigation. Detectives now knew someone had intentionally
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  Speaker 2: killed Charlotte inside her own home. They began reconstructing her
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  Speaker 2: final hours. Who had seen her? Who knew her schedule?
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  Speaker 2: Who had access to that house? Was anything actually stolen
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  Speaker 2: or was it just staged? Yes. Was there forced entry?
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  Speaker 2: Had Charlotte worried about anyone? Did she know anybody that
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  Speaker 2: would want to, did anybody know anyone that would want
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  Speaker 2: to hurt her? Were they having money problems, family problems?
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  Speaker 2: You know, all the questions to try to hone in
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  Speaker 2: on who could have possibly wanted to harm her because
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  Speaker 2: also strangulation is like very personal. Yes. In any homicide investigation,
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  Speaker 2: a victim's spouse must be considered, not because being married
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  Speaker 2: to a victim makes them someone guilty, but it does
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  Speaker 2: most of the time. But because spouses typically know the
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  Speaker 2: victim's routines, home, finances, and relationships better than almost anyone else. Almost,
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  Speaker 2: unless they're cheating on their spouse or something.
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  Speaker 3: Unless they're living a double life outside the home.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Police noticed things that did not fit neatly into a
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  Speaker 3: story about an unknown attacker or a simple fall. The
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  Speaker 3: condition of the home suggested that there had been a confrontation.
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  Speaker 3: The hidden bloody towels, the disturbed pictures, the overtone purse,
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  Speaker 3: and Charlotte's injuries all became part of the larger picker, picker,
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  Speaker 3: picture investigators had to understand. Prosecutors would later allege that
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  Speaker 3: Barry had argued with Charlotte, struck her, strangled her using
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  Speaker 3: the strings from her blouse, and then staged pieces of
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  Speaker 3: the home to look more like a robbery or attack.
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  Speaker 3: They said he may have kicked her down the stairs
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  Speaker 3: after the assault and thrown her purse as part of
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  Speaker 3: the staging.
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  Speaker 2: Again, we have to, we've talked about this before, we
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  Speaker 2: have to steal some stuff. We're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: go the extra mile. If you want to stage it
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  Speaker 2: and make it look like a robbery.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we talked about that on the Sippin' Sittin' Bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we did.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what it was? Sippin' Sittin' Bullshit. Yes. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: under the Grinnadier. Grinnadier.
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  Speaker 2: Grinnadier case.
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  Speaker 3: Grinnadier crime, yes. Who was living a double life?
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  Speaker 2: He was living a double life. But yeah, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to take the extra effort. If you're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to commit a murder and stage it as a robbery,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have to do the extra work of
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  Speaker 2: actually taking the items and then disposing of them somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Not at the pawn shop where you can be on camera.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just flip over a purse or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, these just don't want to do the work,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Not that we should be helping you.
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  Speaker 2: Not that we should be helping you, but if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to do it, I mean, at least try, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Barry maintained that he had been at work. Now, at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning the investigators did not only focus on Barry.
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  Speaker 2: They followed other possible leads and looked at people around
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  Speaker 2: the family. That included a young man dating one of
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  Speaker 2: the Waite's daughters, which her name was Kara. So she's
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  Speaker 2: probably the best, you know. Spelled the same way. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if she pronounced it Kara, though, because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that, Have it spelled my name, my way,
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  Speaker 2: pronounce it Cara, because, you know, it does have the
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  Speaker 2: word Cara at the front.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Well, is the same thing with the girl that
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  Speaker 3: does the famous singing thing? Is she Cara or Cara?
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  Speaker 2: The famous singing thing.
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  Speaker 3: The girl that sings that has the name Cara.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that has famous.
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  Speaker 3: Della Bingney.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't sing. She's a model.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: She's like a Victoria's Secret model. I think it's Cara Delevingne,
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  Speaker 2: but she's from the UK or something. Every time I
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  Speaker 2: work with a lot of people from different countries, and
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  Speaker 2: most of them that are over there from Europe, I
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  Speaker 2: just move on. They call me Cara, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they're like.
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  Speaker 3: I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's one of those things where they just can't
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  Speaker 2: say it the other way, it seems like.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like our child, the name?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Okay, so back to the best daughter, Kara. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Where was I? Police explored whether he might have been involved,
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  Speaker 2: but as detectives continued to examine the scene, the family's finances,
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  Speaker 2: and Barry's own actions, their attention increasingly returned to the
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  Speaker 2: Waits' home and to Barry.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Barry. Now, before we go any further, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to take a look at Charlotte for a minute. Charlotte
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  Speaker 3: Ruth Brown Waits was a mother. She was an educator.
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  Speaker 3: She was a longtime employee for the Chambers County and
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  Speaker 3: Lennett school systems. She had people who knew her through work,
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  Speaker 3: through her family, and through the daily rhythms of a
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  Speaker 3: small town.
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  Speaker 2: She was 49 years old when she died, and when
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte was killed, her daughters did not just lose their mother.
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  Speaker 2: They were left inside an investigation that would eventually force
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  Speaker 2: them to question someone they loved and trusted, not to
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  Speaker 2: mention the one daughter, found, you know, found her mother,
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  Speaker 2: which is horrific. Because there was no quick arrest, there
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  Speaker 2: was no immediate public resolution. So the family had to
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  Speaker 2: keep living while police tried to determine who killed Charlotte
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  Speaker 2: and why. So they're just constantly living in this daily
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  Speaker 2: suspicions on their family, suspicions on their dad.
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  Speaker 3: Suspicions in the community.
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  Speaker 2: The boyfriend thinking about, I mean, they're having a question,
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  Speaker 2: did my dad do this? Is that possible? And so
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  Speaker 2: through the course of this investigation, detectives began uncovering another
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  Speaker 2: issue in Barry Waite's life, and that was da-da-da-da-da. It's either,
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  Speaker 2: it's always money or sex that's got another thing, but
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  Speaker 2: Barry's problem was money.
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  Speaker 3: It was. Barry worked at the National Guard Armory, and
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  Speaker 3: police learned that he had been renting out the armory
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  Speaker 3: without authorization and keeping the rental money. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how you rent out an armory at the National Guard.
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  Speaker 3: What's it, just like a room? It's a secured room
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  Speaker 3: with a big vault door that only certain people have
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  Speaker 3: the combination to. I mean, that's the actual inside of
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  Speaker 3: the armory where you keep the weapons, but I guess.
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  Speaker 2: The general area. There must have been like a general
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  Speaker 2: conference type area that he could rent out for weddings.
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  Speaker 2: And probably the armory, the big vault door in the
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  Speaker 2: background would look kind of cool in pictures.
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  Speaker 3: I guess. I mean. There is common areas that you
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  Speaker 3: can go into the armory, but then you go to
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  Speaker 3: the counter, the gate, the cage, and you either take
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  Speaker 3: your weapons, check them out, or check them back in.
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  Speaker 3: That conduct was separate from Charlotte's homicide. It did not
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  Speaker 3: prove that he had murdered her, but it did put
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  Speaker 3: investigators in a position to look more closely at Barry's
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  Speaker 3: financial situation and at questions surrounding the Waite's family money.
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  Speaker 2: Barry admitted to the Armory rental scheme and entered a
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  Speaker 2: plea agreement, and he served six months in jail. That
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  Speaker 2: gave investigators time to keep working the homicide case, and
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  Speaker 2: police came to believe that there were financial problems inside
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  Speaker 2: the Waits' marriage that Charlotte may not have fully known about.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators said Charlotte had planned to speak with a lawyer
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  Speaker 2: on the day she was killed about an inheritance dispute.
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  Speaker 2: Prosecutors prosecutors. Prosecutors would later argue that Barry feared Charlotte
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  Speaker 2: was going to learn about the family's financial situation and
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  Speaker 2: take steps to protect herself and the family's assets.
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  Speaker 3: That became the state's motive, the theory for why she
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  Speaker 3: was murdered. And it is important to be clear, money
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  Speaker 3: problems don't make somebody a killer. Marriages have financial disagreements
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  Speaker 3: every day. See here, this relationship is What?
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  Speaker 2: That we have what? Financial disagreements?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like whenever Stu told me to pick out a rug.
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  Speaker 2: So he's like, pick out the rug before the sale
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  Speaker 2: ends on Labor Day. We're like down to it. And
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  Speaker 2: I went to bed early last night. And so I
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  Speaker 2: text him the rugs that I wanted in which rooms.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, and then later on,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like laying in bed. I happen to look at
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  Speaker 2: my phone. He's like, are you sure about this rug?
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  Speaker 3: Was that a financial disagreement or a.
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  Speaker 3: Interior decorating disagreement.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what it was.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't, should we buy the truck, period?
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  Speaker 2: And so I just texted him back and I said, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: I like these two as well. And so then he
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  Speaker 2: just ordered one, so it's going to be a surprise
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  Speaker 2: which one. I'm just going to leave it.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to really be a surprise if it's not
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  Speaker 3: one of those two. Yes. Or three.
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  Speaker 2: And so, anyways, I think he probably thought that was
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  Speaker 2: the end of it. But today we were talking about,
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  Speaker 2: what were we talking about? something about you dying or
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, and then you could choose the rug you wanted.
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  Speaker 2: I said, and I turned to him and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I said, when you're dead, I can pick whatever rug
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  Speaker 2: I want and don't have to compromise with you. And
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, so that was, I thought that was
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  Speaker 2: too easy that you just sent me backups.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's all right. I ordered the sheets without you, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did order new sheets without me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I sent you a text. Because we're in a
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  Speaker 3: two-story house, we have to text now more often.
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  Speaker 2: We're too lazy to go. I was in bed. You
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  Speaker 2: texted me about the sheets and I was in bed.
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  Speaker 3: I had 26 up and down the stairs yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was tired.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Getting back to it. Yes, marriages have financial disagreements every day, Kara.
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  Speaker 3: People make bad decisions with money every day. The prosecution
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  Speaker 3: still had to prove that Barry was the person who
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  Speaker 3: killed Charlotte. but prosecutors believe the financial issues helped explain
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  Speaker 3: why someone might want Charlotte silenced.
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  Speaker 2: They would later present the case as a complete picture.
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  Speaker 2: The violent scene inside the home, Charlotte's injuries, Barry's claimed alibi,
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  Speaker 2: the financial problems, the armory scheme, the alleged staging, and
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  Speaker 2: testimony from people closest to the family. For years, though,
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  Speaker 2: there was no murder charge. I mean, this is very circumstantial.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody to charge.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Charlotte's loved ones had to move through birthdays, holidays, just
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: day-to-day life with Barry can still continue to live in
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the community. And the case stayed unresolved. I mean, it's just,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: he's just floating. I mean, they're just having to go
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: about their day-to-day life. It's probably a little awkward at
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the family Christmas.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yes. There you go, Dad. Here's a present. It's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: lie detector test.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Can I also get this DNA swab?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Would you take this 23andMe, this Ancestry DNA swab? Yes,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: the breakthrough in the Waits case did not come from
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: a surprise fingerprint or a new piece of DNA. It
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: came from inside the family. Years after Charlotte's death, Barry
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: and Charlotte's daughters began to understand more about how their
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: father handled money connected to their mother. They said Barry
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: persuaded them to give him their mother's life insurance money. Later,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: they learned he did not follow through on the promise
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to transfer their mother's property to him. Instead, that property
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: went to his new wife.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: That was devastating for the daughter.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Listen, don't ever give any of your money, even if
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: it's your... Sometimes you can't trust your parents, you know?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: They got problems.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, they may have had financial issues.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: So this was devastating for the daughters. I mean, they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: lost their mother and then they can't even trust their
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: own dad to do what he said he was going
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to do and basically stole all their money and the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: property from them and then gave it to the new wife.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So at that point, the relationship with Barry was changed
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and eventually the daughters went to the district attorney's office
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: with information. Investigators believe that Barry had intimidated the girls
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: into staying quiet for years. He even suggested to them, like, hey,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: this whole inheritance with the property and money involved, they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: might think one of you did this to your mom.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, Heather, you found her.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: You got a big old chunk of money.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You smelted whoever smelted dealt it. I mean, I'm just saying.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So anyways, authorities believed he also gave false tips to
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: law enforcement that drew attention away from him at the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: very beginning.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: As one can imagine, this is a hard thing to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: sit with. The daughters had already lost their mother in
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: a violent and confusing way. Then, according to investigators, they
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: were dealing with fear, pressure and the possibility of being
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: blamed for their murderous death. It helps explain why it
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: can take family members years to speak openly in a
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: case such as this. Yes.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, to come in. and turn your father in
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: for murder, it's going to take some, him seriously screwing
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: some people over to get you to that point.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we would have thought so in our sitting, sipping,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and bullshitting case. Yeah, I can't believe.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I still think that they were trying to keep their,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they were trying to keep in that good, side so
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: they could get the money.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: As the daughters learned more, they came to believe that
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: their father was responsible, and their testimony would become a central,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: painful part in the trial that followed. In 2006, eight
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: years after Charlotte Waits was killed, Barry Waits was charged
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: with murder. Prosecutors alleged that he had killed Charlotte in
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: their land at home in 1998. The case was now
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: no longer a mystery in the background of a small community.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: The former acting mayor was officially accused of murdering his wife.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Now, as you can imagine, that type of arrest is
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: going to really upset the little town of Lynette. I mean,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: this is quite crazy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I can just see all those little ladies sitting at
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: their kitchen table smoking cigarettes going, I knew it. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: knew it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I knew it. Now, people who knew Barry from city business,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: public events, school connections, and everyday life had to confront
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a very different allegation from the version of him that
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: he presented to everybody else. For Charlotte's daughters, it also
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: meant a public reckoning. The case had been part of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: their lives for almost a decade. Now it was moving
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: into a courtroom. where every family relationship and every difficult
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: question is going to come out in the wash, Stu, okay?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yes. You just don't want your public, your dirty laundry.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, we ain't got no dirty laundry, but I
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: still don't want it aired. Nothing that I'll consider.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: No, whenever I see one of these cases, like, say
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy trial, and all these people have to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: get up and have how her diaries are being read,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my God, this would just be...
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I don't want anybody reading any of my thoughts. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: then they print out the text messages. Even it's not embarrassing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It's such an invasion of privacy going on trial and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: having to talk about all these things.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't understand why these people keep diaries.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just to express your thoughts. I was
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: trying to do it for a while.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to get hold of these and read
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: them to the children at bedtime after you move on
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: to your great reward.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Stream of consciousness. You write for like, 15, 20 minutes
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: or something every morning. It's supposed to help unlock, like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: your creative side or something like that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Did it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't finish the program. Like, most things I started
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and didn't finish. Like, Sober September.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'm back on Sober September, guys, okay? I'm back on it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: That's because you got to go to work tomorrow.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm back on it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Until Friday.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: No, Stu. I'm... I've now realized that, um... alcohol is poison.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: So you made bad decisions this weekend. Have you?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: No, it's just that it's just that I think that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: there's some people that, that can like, just like cat,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like drink one or two, you know, and I'm just,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I like it too.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Much, you know, keep on pouring them. Yes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Keep on pouring them.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Keep them coming every five minutes till someone falls off
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the stool or passes out and bring them every 10 minutes.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know. I just... I'm getting
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: too old to be with the silliness, too. The silliness
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: on the weekends. What do you mean, yes?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: What? I understand. I got too old to be with
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: some of the silliness.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you're older than me, so I'm coming into it
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that you did this silliness at my age for a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: very long time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I did. I did do it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I'm at a younger age coming to the realization that
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: it's all silliness and that... I'm going to have to
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: retire from the.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I'd probably still be doing it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you would.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: If five years ago a bundle of joy had not
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: popped out.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I still manage to do it. Man, dealing with
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: kids when you've got a hangover is like.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: It's terrible. It's terrible. So... Getting back to our case
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: of the Waits. At trial, prosecutors told the jury that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Barry Waits had murdered Charlotte after a conflict tied to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: money and her intention to seek legal advice. They allege
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: that he struck her, strangled her with the decorative strings
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: on her blouse, and staged aspects of the house to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: make the crime appear more like a burglary or an
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: attack by a stranger.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: The state's case was built from the totality of the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: evidence rather than one singular dramatic forensic reveal. Because this
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: is all, again, circumstantial, so they have to... When it's circumstantial,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you've got to paint a... You've got a picture that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you've got to paint, and you need multiple pieces.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Better be very detailed.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Drink. The jury heard about Charlotte's injuries, the disturbed condition
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of the home, the bloody towels, Barry's account that he
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: had been at work, all of the family's financial problems,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: his whole situation with the armory, all of this information
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: from the daughters. The defense challenged the state's theory and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the interpretation of the evidence. Barry continued to deny responsibility
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: for Charlotte's death.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: But the daughter's participation in the trial made it especially emotional.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Their testimony involved the financial arrangements after their mother had
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: died and their belief that Barry had treated them in
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: ways that caused them to question him and what had
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: happened in 1998. The district attorney said later that the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: girls needed some closure on the death of their mother.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And on November 21st, 2006, they would finally get that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: closure when the... jury came back, Jesus, I can't talk.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: What the hell is wrong with you?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: When the jury came back after just four hours, which then,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you know, it ain't good, you know, Barry Waits was
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: found guilty of murder. That's how we knew the Lindsay
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Clancy was a hung jury, because if they don't come back,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like if they don't come back in the first, like, day,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: couple of hours, it's, there's someone that's a holdout that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna, ain't gonna turn. Can you imagine being the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: holdout on that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Everybody, they're trying to dox that guy and find him.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And these same people, I figure if it was the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: other way around, there was one holdout that was not
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: letting them convict her of murder, they'd be like a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: hero of the cause.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want to get into the Lindsey Clancy
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: trial because it's very divisive now, Stuart.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: In this household, even?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And in this household. And I'm just going to, we'll
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: see what happens on the next trial, all right?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Go from there if there's any new evidence we'll see
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: if we'll see if they pull any phone records on
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: see if.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I get some there's no phone records to be pulled
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: though they didn't get all that data back then anyways
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: i'm not gonna get into it but i might be
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: getting my new rug could be coming in here after
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: i roll stew up stew up in the.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Old one drop it off down in the bayou.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't let me get That's going to be the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: ultimate thing. I'm going to roll you up in that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: rug and buy the one that you wouldn't let me
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: get because it was too girly, I guess, for you.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's going under my bed.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: What? I didn't like it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Look at the whole garage you have, okay?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: It's hot out there. I need insulation. I need air
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: conditioning out there. I need all kinds of stuff.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll let you have a corner in the storage room.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, why, thank you, thank you. Is it this corner
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: with the toilet?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: All right. In December of 2006, he was sentenced to
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: 40 years in prison for Charlotte's murder.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Barry appealed his conviction, and in 2008, the Alabama Court
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of Criminal Appeals affirmed it. The Alabama Supreme Court later
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: denied further review, leaving the conviction in place. Barry filed
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a later federal habeas petition, but it was dismissed as
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: untimely because it had not been filed within the required
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: limitations period. Oh, you just missed it. That's something you
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just missed. It's like probably one of those things.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You missed a filing deadline. His lawyer was.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Probably like, okay, we might have missed the deadline, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: let's just.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: See what happens.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Let's just submit it and see if they don't notice.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I've been there myself on something less important, but yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I've been there myself. Like, okay, we've missed. We've definitely
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: missed the date.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Missed the deadline.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: That was with my issue with the FabFitFun box that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I get. I forgot to change my address.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: We still haven't seen those, have we?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Do we know if she found them?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yes. They shipped them. I have a little bit of
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: issue with FabFitFun, okay? They shipped my box and everything,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and I caught it before it left, you know, when
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: they just print the shipping label. So it hasn't actually left.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So I contact... Of course they're using some... Because we
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: were out there in the middle of nowhere. There's all
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: these new things about... These new shipping companies or whatever
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that are independent shippers. So it's not UPS or FedEx
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: or USPS. It's literally like local people that they just
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: somehow they get it here, get it in these places,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and then they deliver them. Anyway, so I emailed them.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I emailed the FabFitFun. Nobody would help me. There was
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: like 30 people in line ahead of me on the thing,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the chat. So they emailed me back. I emailed them.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They're like... They never would respond. So I reached out
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to the shipper. And since it's like an independent shipper,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: they can't just, there's not much you can do. They
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: couldn't reroute it because they don't have people here.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Because it was not one of the major.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't one of the three yes it wasn't the one
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: one of the the areas that they they have uh
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: delivery partners in because they only do it in like
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: low like places that are live have limited um you
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: know like midland was out there in the middle of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: nowhere so they they function there because here there's plenty
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: i'm guessing delivery ups fedex and everything plenty of trucks
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: my issue was is that I emailed FabFitFun or whatever.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: They never email me back. Or they emailed me back
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: initially and everything. They're like, once we ask you to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: change your address at this date. And so I emailed
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: them back and I said, I understand I'm taking responsibility for.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Like, I.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Understand that I messed up, but it's like, OK, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: understand I messed up. What do you want me to do?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I admitted that I messed up. Is there any way?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I said I contacted the shippers and told them and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to be holding at the warehouse. So it's like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: why can't you guys get it from the warehouse that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: you dropped it off? I understand it's my fault. I'd
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: even pay for separate shipping if we needed to. Like
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I offered all that. Then I never heard back from
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: her twice. I had to go on the chat. I
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: just got this, I'm guessing, some sort of AI-generated email.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And then no one ever responded back to me, ever.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: So anyways, so then the shipper, they probably had AI.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: They had AI responding to me, too. So they actually
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: never did anything. So they actually shipped the boxes, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: they arrived at the house. So now the real estate agent,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I had to go and ask her if she would
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: ship them to us. And so she has them, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: she's going to ship them to us.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Did she get my stuff?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And she got your stuff, too. Well, I understand we
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: were irresponsible not getting things, the address changed over right away. But, no,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the problem was is that your stuff, they weren't, they
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: were supposed to forward stuff.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Well, they only forward first-class mail. Any packages or anything,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they don't forward.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I have an issue with FabFitFun, and I might
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: cancel my subscription because of this, because I had just terrible,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: it was like just terrible customer service all the way around.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: After the fact. was wrong. So I understand.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Willing to pay to correct the mistake.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And they just didn't even, they just didn't even respond
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to me. It was finally like two weeks later, someone
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: finally emailed back saying, oh, I'm sorry, this got caught up.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, it didn't. It didn't get caught up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: You're a fucking liar, Camille.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: It's like whenever I'm watching these damn, looking at all
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: these reviews for pediatricians and doctors, and they get a
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: one-star review and they're like, we are glad you brought
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: this to our attention. We are concerned about our patient.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: And all the one-star reviews have the same response. It's like, yeah, Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: nobody wrote that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: No.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Somebody copied and pasted that or it's AI.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Or it's AI doing an auto response. Anyway, so I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: do understand Barry's plight here with this late submittal. I mean,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it's rough. So the murder conviction remained in place. So
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: after eight years without an arrest and then after the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: trial and appeals process, the legal system answer was that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Barry Waits murdered his wife, Charlotte Waits.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And that is our case this week out of Alabama. Stu,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: are you prepared with your y'all need Jesus?
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Why, yes. Yes, I am. A Florida man. I guess
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I gave away the.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Headline.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did. He is facing charges after deputies say
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: he was found naked in a private swimming pool in
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the Florida Keys on Tuesday. Kara, is this Florida or
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: not Florida?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm going to go with not Florida. What if
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it was like Florida? I'm sure there's a city called
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Florida somewhere like Florida, Ohio.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe. Well, on Tuesday in the Florida Keys, they found
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: him naked in the swimming pool. And then he bit
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: one of the officers as he was being taken to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: a local hospital, authorities say.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: This sounds very Florida Keys. I just.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yes. Seems how we were just down there in May. Yes.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Speaking of people that don't know how to stop drinking,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: most of the people in the Florida Keys, I would say.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: You think? Yes. This is a... name that's going to
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: be difficult.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Roshan Rock Jean.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was Rock and Rock Jean.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: No, I would say Roshan Rock Jean.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: 24 of Tavernier faces charges on battery of law enforcement
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: officer and criminal mischief.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: He was definitely mischief.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, there was. According to the Monroe County Sheriff's Office,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: deputies said they were called to a neighborhood on 52nd
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Street in Marathon around 1245 p.m. regarding a naked man
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: walking around in public. and they were able to eventually
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: find him trespassing naked in a swimming pool on private property.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So it was actually, well, it's the Florida Keys, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it's the higher one, the Marathon, not the Key West party. Yes.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Gene was combative during the encounter, and deputies said that
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: they used a taser to take him into custody. He
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: was transported to Fisherman's Hospital, where he bit a deputy
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: on the arm. That deputy, who was not identified, required
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: medical attention at the hospital.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I wonder if he's on them bath salts.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: You think? The incident was the second time deputies dealt
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: with Gene that day. Come on, Gene! Earlier Tuesday, the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: sheriff's office was called to a marathon business after Gene,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: who was clothed at the time, was reported acting strangely.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: The business asked that he be trespassed from the property.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: He was definitely on, like, bath salts or something. That's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a Florida thing, I feel like.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: You think?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: All right, well, that's all we have.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Is that it?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: These children are banging down the door. We got to go, guys.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: They came up here in the last couple minutes of our...
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Y'all need Jesus.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: So, do you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I guess we'll... I wonder if there was any... John?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: John?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: John was the... What are you talking about? Charlotte's husband. Barry? Barry.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: No, what I'm saying is John Waite. Okay. Were they
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Waite's S on the end or Waite?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: The family we just talked about.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Waite's. W-A-I-T-E-S.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Did you not just read that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: 15 million times?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't know if you had put the S on
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: there by accident or if that was actually their name
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: or if their name was Waite. And we were adding
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the S to it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: No, why are you asking? Yes, that's how they spelled
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: their name. I don't understand why you're being stupid.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Because they could be related to John Wayne, the 80s megastar.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I don't even know who that is. I'll be missing you.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that song is. I don't know
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: who that is.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Should we do an 80s night here once a week? No.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: No. No?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Why would we do an 80s night?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: We could watch all the 80s movies and whatever.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we can start by watching some horror movies because
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: we're fixing to come up on spooky season.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: That we are. We can watch Friday the 13th. We
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: can watch The Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. I'm okay with that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Well, the first three were pretty good. I don't know.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I think there was like 15 more after that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Freddy's. All right. Well, our lasagna's done, so.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: It's probably burning, yes. I can smell it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Lady lasagna. All right, well, I think that is it, Stu.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Is that all?
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Just whatever who this person is. Would you not like me.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: To talk more about John Wayne? No, I don't want
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: you to continue on. That was our case out of Alabama.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And so remember, stay safe, lock your doors, and keep
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: that porch light on. Bye, everyone. Say bye, Stu.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Bye, Stu.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Don't you know it's bad luck to be superstitious?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But nothing else is working. And my head is really hurting.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm sick of all this worrying about things I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: can't control.