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How do we stop the rising tide of male virginity? | Maintaining Frame 95 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. Hope you guys are doing
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  well today. My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is
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  So we're going to be looking at today or a couple of tweets and
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  like the discussion that that has rot which I think it's actually pretty interesting,
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  especially the first one we're going to cover. So I don't know, do
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  Go to feed the Badger dot com slash subscribe and check that out. All
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  right back to you, Brian. All right, well, I guess we'll
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  talk about the first thing. So this is a tweet. I'm going to
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  just show it right here on the screen released by someone named Sean Tuffy,
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  and he tweeted it out and said, holy hell, this is unbelievable.
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  And it shows an image it's more like a graph that says that young male
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  virginity is on the rise. And the study shows a share of young men
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  under thirty, under age thirty who report zero female sex partners since they turned
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  eighteen. And you can see here, you know, in nineteen eighty nine
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  it was something like seven percent, and it was kind of like it goes
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  up and down. I wonder why that is too, I wonder about the
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  up and down, but you can see that it's spikes maybe, yeah,
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  perhaps, And then you know, around two thousand it was basically steady,
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  like there was a pattern that was like pretty, you know, easy to
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  see up until two thousand and eight and apparently something called TARP was enacted,
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  which I don't know if you know what that is, but yep, and
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  then there was a spike that goes way up. And now we're looking at
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  twenty seven percent of men of this you know study that shows that twenty percent,
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  twenty seven percent of these men report zero. Yeah, under men men
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  under thirty report zero female sex partners. So TARP is Troubled Asset Relief Program,
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  and it's remember when we had the whole too big to Fail thing.
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  That's when the government decided that they had to pump money into certain companies because
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  if they went under, apparently the economy would be destroyed, that was the
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  argument, I suppose, or that lots of people would get laid off.
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  So essentially that represents a point in time where the government started to print money
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  and give it to I guess the companies that it considered to be indispensable.
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  So it's basically the start in where you could arguably say that the economy becomes
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  much more managed by the government coping in and making sure that there certain group
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  or certain companies do not fail, even though market pressures would tend to have
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  caused them to fail. So essentially that's what's going on there, and I
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  think there's an argument to be made. I know that there's some comments there
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  saying, well, what does that have to do with the Troubled Asset Relief
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  Program? Well, I mean, also is the start of quantitative easy and
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  low interest rates. But the the idea argument is that that particular economic policy
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  reduced upward mobility, so it reduces the process of creating new new concepts,
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  new businesses, innovations, because the money is already going to certain like when
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  you do that, when you say, well, these these people are too
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  big to fail, then that money goes there. It doesn't go anywhere else
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  again, and you know, it sort of reduces the rate of turnover with
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  businesses, so new businesses, new ideas can't really be formed. And then
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  it starts to start to see this thing where the people who are successful are
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  the successful are the ones who are closest to where the money is being printed.
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  So instead of the people with the ideas, the work ethic, et
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  cetera, et cetera, and I think you can you can sort of that
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  is that kind of philosophy in the games industry and Black Rock, Yeah,
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  that you know, Blackrocks sort of chooses winners and losers based on ideological reasons,
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  and the product declines, the innovation declines, and meritocracies disappear, and
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  a lot of graft and corruption and just a toxic atmosphere of of replacing meritocracy
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  with with flat empty flattery and you know, becoming a courtier essentially, that
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  that whole thing starts to move in if that makes sense, because no longer
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  you're no longer abiding by the market forces, and all the risk is taken
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  out of it. So it's I think that and I do think that that
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  actually would have an effect on men's ability to form families, because you don't
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  see those options anymore for risk takers, for people who have innovative ideas,
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  you know, for somebody who wants to start assess. So there's a there's
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  becomes a lot bigger chasm between the bottom half of society and the top half
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  or the top five percent, just gets bigger because the government is choosing to
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  continue to support the big companies that would otherwise have gone under and all of
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  that investment would have gone somewhere else. And the more they do that,
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  the more they support those that top I call it the fat berg it top.
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  The less it's down and the less innovation, the more graft, the
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  more people just it becomes a suck up culture and a culture of low risk
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  and lacking innovation, and the less that's available for small businesses, and that
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  gets even worse after the Kufa loof, you know, because of all of
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  the small businesses dying at that point because of all the government intervention and regulation.
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  So it's like this. To me, this makes perfect sense because if
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  you think about the economy, it's a meritocracy. Men get into the economy,
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  they use their hard work, they use their in their sense of innovation
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  because men tend to be risk takers, and they develop merit by you know,
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  like either developing ideas or supporting new ideas or whatever else that's taken away
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  or that's reduced significantly by the process of making like this, this kind of
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  stultified, stratified economy. Does that make sense? Like, you know,
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  yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm not sure if it's the
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  whole story. Oh no, it's no, I know, I know,
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  but I think that, like you know, this is this there is a
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  bit of a suggested cause here in this graph when they say tarp enacted and
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  everything changed, And I'm sure that's part of it. But then, like
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  I mean, we were we were poor as a people for most of our
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  life, and maybe virginity wasn't the best way to measure somebody who's relationship success
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  historically, since like you know, people were mostly virgins until they got married
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  for most of history. But but I wonder if it isn't like some other
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  factors, you know, Like some people tried to say it's like, you
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  know, online porn or social media, but I don't buy that either.
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  But I do think that there is with with a lot of young men.
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  They're not they're reporting zero the female sex partners. A lot of it has
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  to do with the fact that I think that there's a lot of women involved
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  with like multiple women involved with the same man. So there's a lot of
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  like kind of harem style culture encourage a product by this. Yeah, this
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  is trapped down economic thing that's going on. Yeah, more it's centralized,
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  the more it's top down, the more women are attracted to. The men
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  who have access to are part of the brat burd you know. And when
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  did and when did the me too movement start? Exactly? Yeah, you
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  know, like I mean, go ahead, well, oh no, I
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  mean I spoke at length sort of about the economic factors. I didn't mean
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  to imply that those were the only ones. I just think that a man's
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  participation in a meritocracy is a big part of his attractiveness to the opposite sets.
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  For us, this kind of cooperative meritocracy is the equivalent of a peacocks
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  tail, and when you take it away, it's like cutting off the peacocks
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  tails and saying, oh, go go attract a p hen. It's gonna
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  be it's gonna be a little difficult without the thing that attracts p hen's,
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  which is you know, for humans, it's this cooperative meritocracy rising gaining a
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  social status within it. Okay, so that but that that's my point is
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  that that is that that is where I see the connection. Of course,
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  that's not the only picture, you know, that's not Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, piece of the puzzle. Yeah, I think I think that that's
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  true. I think that there's I just you know, when I see we're
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  we're very quick to basically be like, oh there's you know, male virginities
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  on the rise. What did men do wrong? You know, like,
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  how do they how do they deserve this? And I'm I love the opinion
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  that, you know, I think that women are making choices, and they're
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  making choices because they are the gatekeepers and they're not picking most of these men.
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  And I think the Me too movement and its effects have made it more
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  difficult. Actually, you know, it's funny, I don't have it in
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  front of me but you we well, I saw this thing going around,
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  but I saw that you tweeted about it. Bumble. So Bumble is the
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  feminist dating app that basically says, you know, women should take the driver's
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  seat and women should make the first move. And women on Bumble are reporting
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  that, what making the first move is very difficult, and they're they're you
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  know, they're not they're not really enjoying it. It's like it's hard.
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  I might get rejected. Yes, yes, that's true. So yeah,
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  just just kind of interesting. Yeah, I did a tweet of essentially they
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  found Bumble that people that women were finding it what was it too too too
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  much work and a burden to So they're changing Bumble, which I don't know
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  why because that's Bumble's only selling point, but it was, yeah, exactly,
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  it was that women initiated and uh and apparently doing the work of initiating
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  a relationship is too hard for women. And then I had some women in
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  my comments when I said I basically just said, yeah, this is this
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  is a thing that happened. So women have discovered that initiator approaching is too
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  much work. And that's basically my entire tweet. I got some I got
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  some pushback from from women, and and a woman said, oh goodness,
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  it was it was actually really frickin'. This is my tweet women discover that
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  making the first move is a lot of work. Yeah, And then this
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  is this is a I guess a feminist tweeter who I got into a little
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  bit bit of an altercation before this over the the double standard between how we
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  treat women who say unattractive women who say that men don't treat them well,
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  and unattractive men who say that women don't treat them well. But regardless,
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  so I said, She says, and now it's like any other app with
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  men sending lude and inappropriate messages or dick pics seven seconds after matching with you.
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  And I responded, well, complain to the women who thought it was
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  too much work and apparently got it changed. Yeah. Right. And then
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  she said, or maybe men shouldn't send lude messages and dick pics to women
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  just they just met, because it's gross. And we've had a bit of
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  back and forth, and I said, this is the most ironic exchange I've
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  had yet, considering I have to block about five accounts a day on here
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  sending unsolicited titpicks. I mean, really, is it that difficult to just
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  And then someone else pointed out because I've never been on a dating site.
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  They pointed out that what dating site is she on because you're not allowed to
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  send pictures in a lot of them, and if you are, it's after
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  a few messages exchanged. So he suggested that what's really happening with this woman
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  is that she's got her Instagram account in her profile and they're sending okay,
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  yeah, And I didn't know that. I didn't know that it's unlikely that
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  she would be getting pictures through a dating app because I've never been on one.
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  No offense, No, I don't think that. Wait, wait,
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  that wouldn't offend anyone. I don't think so, I don't, I don't.
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  I don't necessarily recommend it. I got a superchow from Migtow grows,
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  gives us five bucks and says Migtow keeps growing by doing absolutely nothing other than
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  watching society tear itself apart, sunglass, smiley face, thank you for the
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  super chow. Go ahead. I honestly can't blame I honestly I cannot blame
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  men at this point. I don't think I ever did, really, But
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  it's it's it's it's it's it's not just the fact that that there's all kinds
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  of female only powers in relationships when it comes and problems when it comes to
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  false accusations, men losing their children. Why why divorce is accessible to women
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  but men's responsibilities to the relationship continue after the presumptive end of the relationship,
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  which incidentally isn't new. They did that in coviture too, uh in the
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  Victorian era. As a Victorian husband, if your wife, if you divorced
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  your wife, which did happen sometimes and she took another lover, you still
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  had to pay for the household that she was having sex with this guy in
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  It was yeah, so this is this isn't this has been a problem for
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  a while. But it's not just that. It's like, why is it
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  that this callous, contemptuous cruelty, like the man versus bar meme, Why
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  is it that this is so attractive to women? I mean, I try
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  to I try to explain, Well, maybe women are doing this because of
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  this reason, you know this, perhaps it's this pressure, but it's at
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  this point it's like, why would you do that? All the women who
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  shared that meme, like, why would you be so pointlessly cruel? Yeah?
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  Well is there a point, you know, like you just stop and
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  you say, you know, I'm just being an asshole. Maybe I won't
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  do that, you know, I'm just you know, this this urge that
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  I have to completely demonize half the human race, maybe I should stow it.
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  Okay, anyway, that man versus that man versus bear, I mean,
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  really did not make me lose hope in humanity, but it made me
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  lose a lot of hope in women. Let me tell you, m hm,
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  it's still going on too. Yeah, I know, all right,
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  so yeah. Some of the replies to this are kay. Dragon Media said
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  on Twitter, it really isn't unbelievable. There's a lot of factors that have
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  attributed to it. False accusations, constant rejections, abusive relationships. World is
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  way different than twenty years ago. Hell, even ten I could write a
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  thesis on this. And then somebody said sam Vic replied and said, blame
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  me it on men afraid of false accusations is absolutely crazy. Nobody, I
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  mean, what are you saying like they're afraid because it doesn't matter like how
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  frequent it can be it's it can be done and there's no consequences for false
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  accusations. A lot of people are saying it's porn. I don't think that's
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  it. Like I said, you've been able to get porn since the nineteen
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  seventies. I think it's more to do with, like you said, the
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  flattening of meritocracy combined with essentially men not getting young men in particular, not
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  getting like the appropriate preparation for the world, and it puts them in a
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  position where they're at a disadvantage and women are giving it, given every advantage
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  that the system can allow, and then they become more discerning about the kind
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  of men they want to associate with, because they want men that are doing
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  better than them, you know. And this just means that they limit themselves.
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  And that's why you have what I think is a is a growing harem
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  you know for a very yeah hair culture around a very small group of men.
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  So mm hmm, yeah, totally. Anyway down there mentions this.
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  Let's see, uh have read many young women are choosing to share the top
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  shelf men with other women rather than dating a man that's on their level.
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  Yeah, top shelf men are out there building harems and the women are happy
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  about it. Hence situations situation shifts, Yes, which has been a it's
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  a common thing you hear about these days. Islamic model for women for each
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  alpha the other seventy five percent of men are cannon fodder. That's how polygamus
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  was go ahead. That's not even accurate to Islamic societies because most marriages are
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  between one man and one woman. Yeah, unless you're like, you know,
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  an extremely high super poor. Yeah, because in Islam, each woman
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  has to be have an equal like the same level of household, the same
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  and I'm pretty sure that each get their own household. So it's it's a
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  pretty expensive propositions. Only a few men can either afford afford it or all
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  the women are living in poverty, so it's equally it's equally affordable or unaffordable,
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  but not in the middle. So this is this is possibly even worse
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  like this is this is even worse because first of all, in an Islamic
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  society or in the usual polygamist society, the man who gains all the females
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  is supporting them and their offspring, and usually he's a big net benefit to
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  the society at large. Either like he's a somebody who can defend territory,
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  or he's an extremely rich merchant, or I don't know, he has the
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  keys to the granary. Whatever, there's a reason why society has chosen to
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  reward him, to reward I use that term very loosely, with four wives
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  or however many wives, right, What what is being rewarded in our society
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  like these these these soft harems, What is being what kind of behavior in
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  men is being rewarded? And again, like there's in most harem societies,
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  there is a religious component, so there is there's controls on the formation of
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  harems or why they come together. There are reasons for it. Usually there're
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  societies with lots of resource competition, so you wanna you wanna just make sure
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  you can provide for women and protect them, you know. So there's a
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  reason behind that too, And there's there's a logic to it. Is there
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  a logic to the harems that are being formed in our society aside from this
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  is this is like, this is a this is a This is an intersection
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  of women having access to men who are far more attractive than them, women
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  being able to support themselves so they don't have to settle down supposedly with a
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  man, or alternatively, men aren't able to interact with the meritocracy sufficient to
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  gain an attractive position for women. Whatever. You know, So what is
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  what is ultimately being in what is ultimately being prioritized in this aside from this
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  kind of gluttonous decadence of self Like just licentiousness? Is that how you pronounce
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  it? Yeah, licentiousness, licentiousness, It's just like and this is what
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  I'm trying to get at, Like, when when there is polygamy, there's
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  usually a logic to it, and it's there's there is a benefit to society,
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  even though I would argue, and the history sort of bears out that
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  the best societies tend to be monogamous, you know, and strictly monogamous,
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  so there's no polygamy polygyny at all. But you know, even in those
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  societies and where it is actually practice, there's a reason for it, you
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  know, there's a reason for it, but it doesn't seem to be one
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  in ours. Yeah, it's just whatever, all right, I got another
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  super chow, so I want to read it really quick. From who is
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  this zaranks? He gives us five bucks and says there are more service jobs
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  than manual jobs. Night Motorcyclist has touched on this, and Tucker Carlson discussed
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  this during Women's Month years back. Cut out men's economic viability, and you
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  undermine their willingness to try to turn towards materialism early on, certainly didn't help
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  combine that with urban living since that's where most of the high earning jobs are.
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  This is the outcome. All right, thank you for that, zaranx
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  H. Yeah, definitely something that's not it's gonna have consequences. And of
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  course, like the people in the comments, if any man steps up and
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  says, well, you know the problem is and it's not like, you
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  know, men just suck, then if they just get bombardained by like feminists
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  and like their their male feminist counterparts saying well maybe you just suck and that's
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  why maybe women are just like I saw somebody posts like when women are becoming
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  lesbians more now, so they're just not dating men, They're just dating women.
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  So take that society. I guess, okay, you know, but
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  yeah, I mean it's you know, I will say this though. Elon
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  Musk shared this, this is why I thought it was interesting Elon Musk shared
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  this and he was like, you know, holy shit, like this is
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  this is serious because he recognizes that, like, in order for humanity continue,
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  we need humans. So in order to have humans, you know,
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  all of this like other LGBTQ stuff, is not really like, let's say,
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  it won't end in more humans, so we're just gonna run out of
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  people. I mean, you know, live however you like. But that
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  doesn't mean that all things are equal. And he was worried about that,
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  and he talked about it, and people were going back and forth about it.
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  They were discussing it. So I guess I will say that it is.
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  It is prompting conversations about you know, like wanting to get you know,
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  essentially like what what should we do about this? So even though there's
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  gonna be a lot of hate from the ideologues online, of the people that
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  matter are apparently, like, you know, taking it somewhat seriously. So
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  this is good. Yeah, I mean no, there's another let's see another
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  tweet talking about how Gary Black says my theory, too much time on social
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  media, less interaction with women don't develop adequate dating mating skills could be Greater
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  access to porn during iph via iPhone, but porn has already been available,
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  So yeah, that's a cop But that's a common that's a common opinion that
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  people put out there because what they want to do is they want to rationalize
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  it really quick and then dismiss it. So they're just like, get up,
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  stop watching porn, perve, you know, get a job. And
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  it's like, well, maybe that's not what it is, you know,
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  but yeah, well, Gary Black I have it up here too. Just
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  as we were saying it, I was looking at it. Yeah, they
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  got the usual back and forth, I would, honestly, and just to
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  to two build off of what I said before about the connection between that economic
• 26:38
  policy, TARP and virginity. This is what we're seeing now is essentially the
• 26:47
  dismantling of a meritocracy. Mm hmm, Like we're we're we're seeing that with
• 26:52
  Black Rock, We're seeing that with Too Big to Fail, We're seeing that
• 26:57
  with the TARP. The the the government basically choosing companies that it won't allow
• 27:07
  to just disappear due to market forces. So that is the destruction of the
• 27:12
  meritocracy. So once government chooses winners and losers, it's no longer the market
• 27:18
  that does. Once Black Rock chooses winners and losers, is no longer the
• 27:22
  market. So we see that happening with games, and the meritocracy disappears because
• 27:27
  there's nobody to appeal to except a central like this centralizing force who picks winners
• 27:33
  and losers that you might actually look at Maybe the Soviet Union is being sort
• 27:38
  of like that too. No meritocracy, just basically political jockeying to be as
• 27:44
  close to the people who who hold the reins of power as possible, so
• 27:48
  that that that destruction of the meritocracy is represented by this kind of free market
• 27:55
  system. The the ability to build a business, a small business, the
• 27:59
  building to capitalize on trends, the ability to develop new ideas and new innovations
• 28:04
  and then market them, and all of this stuff, and then all of
• 28:07
  the the the magnet, you know, the big the wealth that came out
• 28:11
  of creating services and products that people that appealed to people and that they invest
• 28:19
  they wanted to purchase and get, and all the wealth that came out.
• 28:22
  You know, that's sort of we're at the end of that. So in
• 28:26
  some ways, the meritocracy that men rely on to develop that kind of social
• 28:33
  status and it What it is is it is a way of developing a pro
• 28:37
  social status through cooperation with other men. You either have that or you have
• 28:44
  this kind of destructive I Am going to physically dominate other men, and that
• 28:49
  is going to have has how I'm going to establish my status. I'm going
• 28:52
  to prove to my community and the women in it that I am the biggest
• 28:56
  dick on the block. Basically. Now, that's a way of creating sexual
• 29:03
  attractiveness, and that's actually been proven with studies that when a man kills another
• 29:10
  man, his chances to reproduce increase significantly in certain cultures within uh you know,
• 29:21
  with within the US, within within the West, you know, certain
• 29:25
  subcultures. So that is that is a way that you can do it.
• 29:29
  But then there's also the attaining status through cooperation, through pro social cooperation with
• 29:36
  other men, which is more like the mercantile kind of thing, or even
• 29:40
  the soldier versus the warrior. Right, So the soldier gains status, but
• 29:45
  the status he gains is actually a result of discipline and cooperation with other soldiers.
• 29:49
  Soldiers. I mean, he also kills, but he kills within the
• 29:52
  context of political context. Whereas like a gangster. You know, he kills
• 29:59
  what I mean, I guess he kills within the context of the gang.
• 30:02
  But at the same time as it's you know, it's not it's not necessarily
• 30:06
  within a context of justice or politics. But we're getting away from there.
• 30:11
  So we but these have these different means by which men gain sexual attractiveness.
• 30:17
  And now that we no longer like the the meritocracy, the the economic meritocracy
• 30:22
  is stultifying. It's just it's breaking down. It's no longer about merit it's
• 30:32
  really about who you know, you know, it's I mean, it's always
• 30:34
  sort of been like that too, but there was still always the opportunity for
• 30:38
  somebody to make it, even if they started from very minimal means like poverty
• 30:45
  or orphan and you know, from being an orphan, right. I see
• 30:47
  that with a lot of the founders of of of a lot of the companies
• 30:51
  that form, you know, the bedrock of our of our society. And
• 30:56
  but that that that sort of destruction, that the the destruction of the poor,
• 31:00
  mobility of the meritocracy, that destroys men's ability to generate. Did you
• 31:07
  become attractive to women? And we need something, We either need to revive
• 31:12
  that, or we need something else. I mean, you might not replace
• 31:18
  it, but something else, some other way that men can demonstrate this kind
• 31:22
  of pro social status seeking and demonstrate their cooperation in such a way that it
• 31:27
  attracts women. Again, And I don't think anybody is really talking about that
• 31:33
  because it's it's abstract, I suppose, and it's it's I think, really
• 31:37
  outside of what people can conceive of. Maybe correct me if I'm wrong.
• 31:42
  Is that? Yeah, I think you might be wandering off there, Brian,
• 31:45
  But no, no, no, it's okay. I'm just like making
• 31:48
  sure everything is running okay, and I'm just sort of checking on stuff,
• 31:52
  so it's all good. Uh. Yeah, I think that you covered it
• 31:56
  pretty thoroughly. I don't have much to add. Let me. Let me
• 31:59
  put it this way. The mouse utopia. Lots of people have talked about
• 32:05
  the mouse utopia, and what if you don't know what the mouse utopia is.
• 32:09
  Essentially, a scientist created a living environment for mice in which everything was
• 32:17
  provided for them. They had ample nesting material, ample nesting areas, they
• 32:23
  had all the food that they needed, and they were cleaned every every day,
• 32:29
  so there was no need that wasn't provided for them and basically provided for
• 32:32
  them by a central service or a central authority, if you will. And
• 32:37
  what happened is they ended up getting like the the society started to break down.
• 32:46
  There would be these marauding bands of mice that would just attack everything in
• 32:52
  the common areas. And then there would be these mice that withdrew from any
• 32:55
  kind of mouse society and all they did was groom themselves, and they'd stopped
• 33:00
  even having sex. So there would be these male mice that maybe would socialize
• 33:05
  with very few other male mice in these isolated enclaves, and they would they
• 33:09
  would groom, they would eat, and that's it, and they would not
• 33:14
  even seek sex. And then there was these these single, isolated female mice
• 33:19
  who just were basically in the same sort of scenario and they were defended by
• 33:22
  some random male mice, so they wouldn't allow anyone to approach them. But
• 33:27
  no mating was occurring, none whatsoever. And so the entire mouse society deteriorated.
• 33:34
  And one of the reasons stated, and I think this is really important,
• 33:37
  was the male mice no longer had a role. Because mice usually in
• 33:43
  the wild, they have a role in protecting a food source, so protecting
• 33:49
  and making sure that food source isn't taken over by other mice. They had
• 33:52
  no role, and because the male mice had no role, the society imploded.
• 34:00
  Okay, and then that's something we should really think about. And what
• 34:06
  and again it was? It was? There was It descended into violence on
• 34:09
  one and isolation and sexlessness where there wasn't violence all right. Now, What's
• 34:19
  interesting is that the scientists later created more mouse utopias, and he tried to
• 34:25
  overcome the loss of the male role, and what he used was creativity for
• 34:30
  the mice. So he replaced this kind of protecting the protecting the resources with
• 34:38
  being creative. And apparently, from what I've read, he managed to create
• 34:45
  a mouse utopia by adding creativity that survived, that survived the excess of resources,
• 34:52
  that survived the destruction of the male role, and survived all of the
• 34:57
  and the survived the social decay that resulted in as that resulted from it.
• 35:01
  So, I mean there might be something like I in the in the title,
• 35:07
  we said, how I think, how do we stem the tide of
• 35:12
  the rising tide of male virginity? How do we stop the rising tide of
• 35:15
  male virginity? Yeah, mm hmm. Well, I think there's there's a
• 35:20
  lesson in the mouse utopia. And the lesson isn't just oh, we're all
• 35:23
  going to die because of this, it's also well, how do we fix
• 35:27
  it? And that's that's one way. One approach is maybe we need to
• 35:34
  start thinking about creativity, you know, and thinking about what is the next
• 35:38
  meritocracy, what is the next way that men demonstrate a way to develop pro
• 35:45
  social pro socially, you know, pro social status, Okay, because that's
• 35:51
  the human thing. Humans are very big on on pro sociality. I mean,
• 35:57
  I know people don't like to know, don't don't like to I know
• 36:00
  that lots of people don't think this, but we are actually the most pro
• 36:04
  social mammal on the planet. That's why we can stand living in gigantic hives
• 36:09
  in each other's armpits, freaking. Is that gross a little bit? Isn't
• 36:17
  that true? Like? God, yeah, sure, sure, I don't
• 36:21
  get cities. I'm not very pro social. Yeah, but we generally are.
• 36:28
  Yeah, we generally are other than me, Like, yeah, most
• 36:31
  people are pretty pro social, which is why, like I said, you
• 36:36
  can sort of pack us in and we won't gnaw each other's faces. Off,
• 36:39
  it's are There are certain aspects to our psychology that's really unique. For
• 36:44
  example, if you show a chimp a geometric like, essentially they have these
• 36:51
  little animations where they have these series of geometric shapes, like you'll have a
• 36:54
  square and a circle and a triangle, and they'll do some thing like the
• 37:00
  square stops the triangle from being able to accomplish something, and the circle helps
• 37:07
  the triangle from being able to accomplish something. And apparently chimpanzees and even dogs
• 37:10
  can interpret these these symbols as as characters, and the chimpanzees will will okay,
• 37:19
  they will inevitably choose to suck up to the shape that impedes the other
• 37:27
  shape, Like so it say it's the triangle that's it that's struggling, they
• 37:30
  will suck up to the shape that is the one that's capable of stopping the
• 37:35
  triangle and willing to do so. And and babies by the time they're nine
• 37:42
  prefer prattenda nine months prefer the shape that assists. So this is completely like
• 37:49
  human psychology from nine months onward is different than than supposedly are our nearest relatives.
• 37:57
  And it's different because we prefer for pro social helpers to dominant individuals.
• 38:05
  I want you to people, people to think about that. That's that's completely
• 38:07
  unique to us. The only other animal I think that even has the inkling
• 38:10
  of that is dogs. And then and then the dogs are split because if
• 38:17
  you have a dog that is not in like a training relationship with a human,
• 38:23
  they're just sort of a family pet and they don't do a lot of
• 38:28
  intensive training, they won't choose the helper uh shape, They'll choose the the
• 38:35
  or they'll just be neutral. Yeah, it's dogs that do things like canine
• 38:38
  agility and other stuff like that, they'll choose the helper shape. They'll understand
• 38:43
  that and choose the helper shape. So it's interesting to me that this is
• 38:47
  unique about humans. We're really pro social. We really we really prefer people
• 38:53
  who help to people who have dominance and uh. And I think that's that's
• 38:59
  a way forward for us is just to look at that kind of pro social
• 39:02
  status, the development of status. Okay, I feel like I've gone a
• 39:07
  far afield, and I apologize. That's all right, I got it the
• 39:09
  rumble right, I'm gonna read it really quick. Sure, Oh, I
• 39:13
  see gives us a dollar and says I'm here to sip coffee and laugh at
• 39:17
  women. Thank you. Oh, I see, I just didn't want to
• 39:20
  forget you. I think that's all. Let me just make sure there's no
• 39:23
  super chat. Do you Do you have any ideas that of how to resolve
• 39:28
  this rising tide of male virginity. I think that I think that men need
• 39:39
  young men need. I you know, I agree with the creativity thing,
• 39:46
  but the unfortunately a lot of people are not creative people. But they want
• 39:52
  to they want to do something, they want to be of use, they
• 39:54
  want to have a role, they want to have a mission. Yeah,
• 39:58
  and I think that's the I think men need a mission. And the problem
• 40:00
  is is that every time everything that we you know, look at as like
• 40:05
  worth of worthy of pursuit, there is this like push to include women in
• 40:09
  all of it, and men don't have their own space. And this comes
• 40:13
  back to what I was saying about men need their own spaces so that they
• 40:15
  can like you know, work together because I think they can do anything.
• 40:20
  And this would actually make use of people who are by modern woman. Yeah.
• 40:24
  Well, I mean, but you see the thing is that that can
• 40:27
  that can wait is another thing too write. I think that what it comes
• 40:31
  down to is that I don't think that men are addicted to porn. I
• 40:37
  think that you know, there's there's one can make an argument there is a
• 40:39
  problem with that, but I don't think that's the reason for this problem.
• 40:45
  Because we've always had access to pornographic material. I don't think that that really
• 40:50
  matters. I think that most of the time it's used as a substitute for
• 40:52
  real human interaction. I think that in most cases men prefer the real thing.
• 40:57
  So why are they not, you know, successful. It doesn't mean
• 41:00
  they're not trying. I don't think that we should blame them, but I
• 41:04
  do think that they need. They need, they need behaviors to model themselves
• 41:09
  after. They need something to pursue, they need something for them for themselves.
• 41:14
  They need to build relationships. I think that men who have good relationships
• 41:20
  with other men are going to be more successful with women as well. And
• 41:24
  and not that that's that not that that needs to be like a prerequisite,
• 41:29
  like you know, if you should like be able to like form brotherhood with
• 41:34
  men for its own sake, but I think that that will be an effect
• 41:37
  of that, and I don't think that we allow that. I think that
• 41:38
  whenever men try to gather it gets disrupted. I think that there's another thing
• 41:45
  too. I think that that we understate how important it is for men and
• 41:52
  women to develop a kind of let's say, a spiritual self, you know,
• 42:00
  something that something that helps them to root their their reason for being,
• 42:07
  because I think that right now we do live in a highly materialist culture.
• 42:12
  And when I say materialists, I don't mean like, you know, I
• 42:15
  don't know, like capitalists or anything like that. I mean like where we
• 42:21
  only seem to really like the earthly things, like there's nothing, so people
• 42:25
  don't think about like people who like have like a really earthly view of the
• 42:30
  world, they think of things like marriage and love and family as obstacles to
• 42:37
  that or things that they have to rationalize or things that they have to like
• 42:40
  you know, like fit into whatever it is they're up to. And I
• 42:45
  think this is this is especially affecting women because that's where you get this girl
• 42:49
  boss thing where it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna focus on this and this and
• 42:52
  this, and when you tell them, you know, like if you have
• 42:55
  kids, it's gonna there's gonna be a lot of happiness for that. Or
• 42:58
  if you you build something with a partner or whatever it is, and they
• 43:02
  will they're they're they're told like constantly that they don't need that. That's why
• 43:07
  I thought when we were looking at that study and somebody said something about,
• 43:10
  you know, it's essentially saying like, well, this is the thing.
• 43:13
  Women are you know, choosing to like, you know, sleep with the
• 43:16
  top one percent of guys and they're willing to put themselves into situationships and and
• 43:22
  what that tells you is that they're not interested in, like you know,
• 43:25
  either they're not interested in like building to something like bigger and more like long
• 43:30
  term satisfying, or they're doing this as a kind of like you know,
• 43:37
  it's like playing the lotto, like they're trying to sexually compete with other women
• 43:40
  and they think if they win that they're gonna be the best woman. And
• 43:44
  it's like a really really messed up way to view the world. But it
• 43:47
  seems like that could be the thing. And then when somebody said that,
• 43:51
  and somebody else responded and said, well, no, actually, you know,
• 43:53
  twenty something percent of women are by now or gay, you know,
• 43:58
  or whatever, and that means they're just not stupid with men. But you
• 44:00
  see the thing about when you say that, there's like an instinct to be
• 44:06
  like, well, look, I don't want to come across as homophobic,
• 44:07
  because you know, like you could live what however you like. But there's
• 44:12
  another part of it that's like, well, wait a minute. If they're
• 44:15
  choosing that, then that means it's a choice. So then if it's a
• 44:19
  choice, then that means that there could they could have chosen, you know,
• 44:23
  the opposite, that could have chosen men, but they didn't. And
• 44:27
  then you ask yourself, why would you do that? Because you know,
• 44:30
  what I wouldn't want is for a woman to like have chosen this and think
• 44:35
  that because everybody told her you should just be by It's totally cool, it's
• 44:38
  totally trendy. You know, this is how you should live, and you
• 44:42
  could just like you can mess around with girls. They're better than men anyway,
• 44:45
  whatever, And this is like what women are told like a lot,
• 44:47
  right, And then they pursue that, and then they're like thirty and they're
• 44:51
  like what have I done? You know, and and like it's because they
• 44:54
  didn't think about like what's going to be good in the long run. I
• 45:00
  think that that's when I when I say we're two materialists. I'm saying that
• 45:04
  people are only focused on today, and yeah, and they're and they're and
• 45:08
  they're looking at what's going to make me happy now, and they think that
• 45:10
  what they think will make them happy in the moment is the thing that is
• 45:15
  also best for them, And what makes you happy is not necessarily what's best
• 45:19
  for you. So I think that that's another thing is that we in the
• 45:22
  moment, no, and we feed this to women like all the time.
• 45:25
  This is why you'll have a bunch of women that are talking about how they're
• 45:30
  living their best life. But they're also more likely to be on antidepressants because
• 45:34
  they're trying to make these two things that are contradictory fit together. So I
• 45:38
  think that that is another aspect. I think men need. They young men
• 45:45
  in particular, need to be able to form camaraderie, some brotherhood fellowship with
• 45:50
  other men, and they need to help each other. And I think that'll
• 45:52
  be really good for them. And I know that you know, men can
• 45:55
  learn from other men and help other men. And also if they if men
• 45:58
  get together and they say we're to do this thing or to build something,
• 46:01
  you know, they'll all have like their unique skills. They can bring to
• 46:05
  the table. So so, yeah, there are men who are very creative.
• 46:07
  There are men who are not creative at all, but they're really good
• 46:09
  at following instructions or maybe they're mechanically inclined or something right, and so yeah,
• 46:15
  they're good at organizing whatever it is. And that and that that is
• 46:19
  something I think could be very gratifying because I think that's what men want.
• 46:22
  Most men want to feel useful, they want to have purpose, they want
• 46:28
  a mission, and it doesn't have to come from women. And then I
• 46:31
  think that's very crucial. But women, they they should. What they need
• 46:37
  is, especially young women, is to be able to tell the difference between
• 46:42
  what makes you happy and what's good for you. And I think that this
• 46:45
  is a conflation, so or at least what makes you happy in the moment
• 46:49
  and what will in long term be better for you. Yeah, I wanted
• 46:53
  to say, I think that whole idea where men support each other start developing
• 46:59
  something outside of women. Of course, it's difficult because it will always be
• 47:02
  put on under sus. You know, you might end up on an FBI
• 47:06
  watch list because you're you're men doing something without women's oversight. But for sure,
• 47:14
  the the idea of men building something together. What ends up happening is
• 47:20
  eventually women will just pop out of the woodwork to go and take a look.
• 47:24
  I see this. You know, this happens so often, right h
• 47:29
  Men will get up to something and women will have to go take a look,
• 47:32
  you know, and the and if they're toxic women, of course they'll
• 47:36
  have to be like, oh, that's mine now, and I'm gonna,
• 47:37
  I'm we're gonna, we're gonna break it apart to give to all the other
• 47:42
  ones. But or they may just be interested in what you're doing. You
• 47:45
  know, there's some women who are just fascinated by things being done, Yeah,
• 47:51
  for sure, and those are the women that probably would be worth worth
• 47:54
  keeping around. But so that that's that's a good that's a good idea that
• 48:00
  men should focus on community with other men and maybe take the weight off of
• 48:06
  this particular expectation, since I think a lot of guys are in the same
• 48:09
  boat right now. And there's a lot more reasons than just economic for why
• 48:14
  this is happening. And we've been skirting around the elephant in the room,
• 48:17
  and that is the gigantic sales pitch known as feminism, which sells women on
• 48:29
  removing men from their lives essentially, and sells women on regarding men to be
• 48:36
  a danger to them, which then in turn sells government intervention to protect women
• 48:42
  from men, and also feminist oversight over organizations and things like Blackrock getting you
• 48:49
  know, its financial tendrils into consumer sectors like the game games industry, all
• 48:59
  of that. So, I mean, and when you when you look at
• 49:01
  the situation for feminism, it sells a particular attitude between men and women which
• 49:07
  is toxic. So it's like men oppress women, which puts men in the
• 49:12
  category of villain by virtue of their gender identity or their sex sex identity,
• 49:16
  which is not something that they can really change unless they disavow identifying with their
• 49:22
  bodies, and you know, it puts women in the category a victim.
• 49:27
  And what what are we seeing. We're seeing a general deterioration in men and
• 49:30
  women's desire to be men and women. I mean, there's their softer like
• 49:35
  women, you know, boss bitching and saying, oh, I'm gonna I'm
• 49:38
  going to act like a man, and they use the most ridiculous, over
• 49:42
  the top stereotype of what they think a man does. And then there's men
• 49:45
  who are simply disavowing who they are as men. They're disavowing any positive traits
• 49:52
  that men have in order to say that, well, women have all the
• 49:55
  positive traits. And you know, the these soft response to this kind of
• 50:00
  vilification, of vilification and victimization of both men and women essentially so constructing the
• 50:08
  dynamic the relationship between men and women and saying it's toxic. Essentially, you
• 50:14
  have a soft response which is, I guess you could call it the feminist
• 50:17
  men who just say that that masculinity in manhood is there's no good, there's
• 50:22
  no good, toxic mask and all that stuff. And then the women who
• 50:25
  do the boss bitching but seem to embrace the toxic masculinity for themselves, whatever's
• 50:30
  up with that? And then you have the harder rejection of being a man
• 50:37
  or a woman, which comes with all of the sex hormones and surgery and
• 50:43
  all of this other stuff, and not all of that can possibly be due
• 50:47
  to gender dysphoria, like the rates of gender dysphoria of skyrocketed for whatever reason.
• 50:52
  Yeah, you know, And I'm saying that this is all a symptom
• 50:58
  of making men and women not happy with themselves, which is what feminism does
• 51:05
  when it says that men oppress and women are victims, Like, who wants
• 51:08
  to be a victim? Who wants to be a presser? Where do you
• 51:12
  think this urge to get away from sex, taking an identity from your sex
• 51:16
  comes from. It's guaranteed to make everybody miserable and it's very toxic. And
• 51:22
  once again, I would like to give a challenge to all feminists listening.
• 51:25
  If you are listening, which you know, who knows, can you falsify
• 51:30
  men oppress women? Because if it's a fact, it's been falsified attempt somebody
• 51:36
  has attempted to falsify it, and it has been proven true. So there's
• 51:38
  a way to take the statement men oppress women and frame it, you know,
• 51:44
  dig into what you're actually saying, and frame it as a causal statement
• 51:47
  that can be falsified. Now you give me that causal statement, because until
• 51:52
  you do, it's just a belief system. Until you can tell me how
• 51:57
  that supposed fact can be falsified, it's just a belief, not a fact.
• 52:02
  Yep, okay, So miss me with the unfalsifiable beliefs. They are
• 52:07
  optional. So once again, men do not oppress women. They never have
• 52:12
  they never did the end, let's throw it all out and and all of
• 52:16
  the all of the downstream problems that that particular idea brings us, all of
• 52:22
  the destruction of the relationship between men and women. So that the big the
• 52:25
  elephant in the room is that has destroyed the relationship between men and women.
• 52:30
  If it's going to be revived again, it is going to be outside of
• 52:34
  that full stop. Like it's as soon as you start talking about men oppressed
• 52:39
  women, you are part of the problem. You are not part of the
• 52:43
  solution. You are continuing to perpetuate this toxicity which is destroying it. So
• 52:50
  that's one thing to to deal with the epidemic of male virginity. And we
• 52:58
  do have to deal with it because these are the signs of a society in
• 53:01
  absolute decay. We are a breeding colony. If we do not breed,
• 53:07
  we do not exist into the future. Like that, human society collapses because
• 53:12
  it is a breeding colony. That's it. And anybody who is capable of
• 53:15
  getting men and women together and having kids is going to be the winner.
• 53:20
  So we're looking at maybe the Amish they're pretty small, or Muslims okay,
• 53:24
  or af some cultures in Africa, those are gonna be our winners, right
• 53:30
  unless we fix this. And we cannot fix this in the context of believing
• 53:36
  that men oppress women one or the other choose societal death or continuing or or
• 53:43
  challenging this idea that we all, I guess collectively agreed was true without even
• 53:50
  even putting it to any kind of scientific rigor. Like that's what's amazing to
• 53:54
  me is that we just we just like we're just like, yeah, give
• 53:59
  me, give me, hit me with that shit. But we're not even
• 54:01
  going to see if we can falsify it, Like we're not even gonna test
• 54:05
  it, We're not even to prove it true. We're just going to agree
• 54:07
  with it. And then just suddenly it's everywhere, and now we're dealing with
• 54:12
  the crap that falls out from it and anyway. So but that's my point.
• 54:16
  That's one way to fix the issue that's on a societal level. And
• 54:20
  then we also have what Brian was talking about, embracing male camaraderie and relate
• 54:24
  and and support and cooperation again, and then I talked about creativity, which
• 54:30
  I think is really critical, and I think those two actually come together.
• 54:32
  Yeah, there there's a there's a big element to male culture that comes around
• 54:37
  storytelling, and I don't that that seems to have been lost, you know,
• 54:45
  somewhere along the way, that storytelling, and I think that, honestly,
• 54:52
  storytelling is also something that seems to attract women. It's it's very it's
• 54:58
  very odd like in the discord, the general area that's more about you know,
• 55:05
  like all the stuff that's more men's issues related is got a certain percentage
• 55:10
  of men, I think ninety ninety five, and then in the area that's
• 55:15
  more about storytelling, the percentage of women is much higher. Strangely enough,
• 55:21
  I mean, these are very small groups, but I find it interesting because
• 55:24
  I think it's women like to be entertained. They don't like to be bored,
• 55:29
  and storytelling is a big part of that, you know. And we
• 55:32
  could look look back in the past and look back at how our grandfathers and
• 55:37
  our great grandfathers had, you know, like entire archives of stories that they
• 55:43
  would trot out right and they would regale the family with them. You know.
• 55:49
  I think that's underestimated as a big part of what makes men attractive to
• 55:52
  women. And there was a branch of pick up artistry that dealt with what
• 56:00
  they called neuro linguistic programming, which you know, the way that pick up
• 56:05
  artists always approached the things they did was was guaranteed to piss off women.
• 56:10
  Yeah, but it had a kernel of truth. Storytelling is a way of
• 56:16
  creating resonance. So you create like almost a subconscious rapport when you tell a
• 56:23
  story, and that creates intimacy as well as entertainment. And that skill has
• 56:30
  been lost. You know, in generations before, you know, men would
• 56:35
  tell their sons and their grandsons, you know, and tell them how to
• 56:38
  tell stories and teach them how to tell stories, which might have been a
• 56:43
  huge part of how they developed that kind of rapport, that kind of intimacy
• 56:47
  with women, but that that is gone now. I mean, you can
• 56:52
  look at mad Men, even though the mad men, the actual mad men
• 56:55
  were nothing like they were depicted in mad Men. But that's all about telling
• 57:00
  stories. Salesmanship is about telling stories, and you know, pick up artists
• 57:04
  will say that a big part of pickup artistry is learning to sell yourself,
• 57:07
  which is about telling stories, creating that rapport. And that's where I'm also
• 57:13
  pulling in the creativity. That's something that that could we could approach and not
• 57:17
  just like oh men, just do that, you know, learn. You
• 57:20
  know, maybe there's a way that you could help young men to the redevelop
• 57:25
  that skill. Just telling stories, just framing yourself in ways that are entertaining
• 57:34
  and and enjoyable. You know. That's about packaging, I guess, but
• 57:39
  also being authentic, because stories are how you display a part of yourself that
• 57:44
  sometimes you can't just explain just one to one with the logical statements, you
• 57:50
  know what I mean. It's like you can explain the heart of something as
• 57:53
  opposed to just the lore. Shall we say? All right those ideas?
• 58:00
  Yeah, all right, So I got super chows, two of them,
• 58:07
  and I'm gonna read them really quick. And we've all were at the hour.
• 58:10
  Do you say you wanted to just go for an hour this time just
• 58:15
  for the you know, this is lots of experimentation. I know we have
• 58:17
  a bit of a chaser too. We could get that, yeah, really
• 58:22
  quickly, but all right, yeah, do the superchows. I see there's
• 58:24
  one that's missing, actually two, Yeah, there's one without a message.
• 58:28
  So great Indoors gave us five bucks, didn't say anything. I'm sure that
• 58:34
  he'll send something through after and Richard Bierre gives us five bucks and says,
• 58:42
  have you heard about the giant sixty five hot Oh wait, hold on,
• 58:45
  I gotta sorry. I'm coming down with a little cold. So Richard Bier
• 58:52
  gives us five bucks and says, have you heard about the giant sixty five
• 58:57
  foot hot dog sculpture in Times Square? Apparently it is a statement about toxic
• 59:01
  masculinity. Once per hour it elevates towards vertical and speus confetti. I recall
• 59:07
  a Patron show about cities with their upward thrusting architecture being a symbol of masculine
• 59:13
  dominance or something like that. Yeah, we covered that. The whole thing
• 59:16
  about architecture itself being like toxic masculinity is not It's not new. We've heard
• 59:22
  about that. If you were a patron, you could have had access to
• 59:27
  this Patron show as well. Perhaps the polygamy. The polygamy is a way
• 59:30
  to extract wealth from those who the society considers to be having too much wealth,
• 59:35
  and therefore they are having polygamy administered as a punishment for not sharing their
• 59:38
  wealth with others. Enough, thank you for that. But actually here's the
• 59:43
  thing that you probably, I mean this probably wouldn't surprise you. But these
• 59:46
  guys who have like a bunch of women in a situation ship, they're having
• 59:51
  sex with these women and a lot of times they don't give them any money.
• 59:54
  Yeah, so like they just want to be They just want to be
• 1:00:00
  around or like associated with a guy that's high status. They don't even they
• 1:00:04
  don't even end up getting his money most of the time unless he marries them,
• 1:00:07
  which these guys will never do because they know what the risks are.
• 1:00:10
  So why bother? Like Yeah, honestly, I mean, if if you're
• 1:00:15
  in a there's no single woman and you can compete with ten women, you
• 1:00:19
  know, especially ten women you don't even have to pay for, you're basically
• 1:00:24
  just yeah, I'll be I'll be there on Thursday, I'll pick you know,
• 1:00:28
  every day a week you can screw a new woman. You don't have
• 1:00:30
  to pay for them at all. This is this is what I'm getting at.
• 1:00:32
  What are we incentivizing with this? Like? Is this is this actually
• 1:00:37
  benefiting any part of society aside from do women enjoy this? Oh, there
• 1:00:43
  was something I was going to say to your statement about spirituality. What I've
• 1:00:46
  noticed about spirituality is it tends to pull people away from intrust in trut not
• 1:00:52
  inter intrust sexual competition. You notice that like it it reduces competition between women,
• 1:01:01
  Oh yeah, sure, and reduces competition between men. Yeah. Well,
• 1:01:06
  I think the purpose of all this stuff is to like not just make
• 1:01:08
  because when I talk about the importance of men like cooperating with other men,
• 1:01:13
  I think that one of the effects of this sort of like feminist society is
• 1:01:17
  that men not only are seen by women as the enemy or competitor, but
• 1:01:24
  they are seen that way by other men as well. So there is like
• 1:01:29
  a hostility between men and women and men and men and women and women.
• 1:01:34
  You know, there's like women that are feministing, right and women that are
• 1:01:37
  not women that are pickbes. So this is all about creating resentment and distrust,
• 1:01:43
  and it's lowering the trust in general in our society. And this is
• 1:01:45
  why the bear meme, the man in the woods versus bear thing is like
• 1:01:52
  shocking, not not shocking to me, but like for many people shocking.
• 1:01:55
  How you know how much women embrace it is because they they have so little
• 1:02:00
  faith in men, and it's not based in anything real. They just they
• 1:02:05
  just don't think men love them and they're mad and they're lashing out. And
• 1:02:08
  I think the purpose of that, and this is why I say it's an
• 1:02:12
  op and it's fake as hell it's coming from you know, a government hours
• 1:02:15
  or some foreign government, is that it works. It successfully makes men angry
• 1:02:22
  with women for comparing them to something beneath an animal, and it validates women's
• 1:02:28
  like you know, fears and insecurities by telling them and reinforcing of them,
• 1:02:31
  Yes, that thing that you feel, it's legitimate, because look at all
• 1:02:35
  your girlfriends feel it too. So this is like how it is intended to
• 1:02:38
  work. M and so if you and so, if men can like you
• 1:02:45
  know, put that aside and associate themselves with other men that are willing to
• 1:02:49
  support them, then this stuff won't affect them as much and they can just
• 1:02:52
  like get on with it. And the women who can't like cope with that,
• 1:02:57
  well, I don't know what to do. I mean, I can't
• 1:02:59
  help you. But the ones that can, you know, they'll be able
• 1:03:01
  to see that and say, you know what, that doesn't apply to my
• 1:03:04
  life. And so I think that's where you could say the spiritual part could
• 1:03:10
  come in. So well, it's funny because you know, they say,
• 1:03:14
  well, I would prefer a bear. But who are you telling that to?
• 1:03:16
  You're telling it to a man? Yeah, right there, this just
• 1:03:22
  sounds like it's a manipulative Kafka trap. Now I think maybe some women are
• 1:03:27
  doing it because what they really want is, you know, they're a man
• 1:03:30
  to take her, take her any arms and say I'll be your attack bear
• 1:03:34
  or some ship like that. I mean, that's that's probably the most most
• 1:03:37
  charitable interpretation, is that they what they want is an expression of protectiveness from
• 1:03:43
  men. But they're doing it in the most toxic possible way. Yeah,
• 1:03:49
  could you could you? Could you reduce the toxicity? Could you? Could
• 1:03:52
  you not be vomiting venom all over men? You know, I know you
• 1:03:55
  want to be protected by them, because that's really I mean, who who
• 1:04:00
  do they? Who do women think got women to this point? Do they
• 1:04:02
  really think it was bears? Do you really think do you think that human
• 1:04:06
  history it was bears? Who are protecting you from men? Like a lot
• 1:04:12
  of women don't exist, like they exist only in the moment. That's what
• 1:04:15
  I mean by like there the like they like, you know, all they
• 1:04:23
  know is their life. It's it's maximum sollim this this meme is not about
• 1:04:30
  logic. In my opinions about it is if she's got a man, she
• 1:04:34
  probably just wants him to be like, yeah, I'm the one good dude.
• 1:04:40
  Your magical JJ has made me, made me not be a rapacious bear
• 1:04:45
  to you, or something like I'm the one good dude for you, and
• 1:04:48
  I will I'll defend you from all of the evil other men and some some
• 1:04:53
  crap like that, or alternatively, they're just projecting their own anxieties about about
• 1:05:00
  their lives onto men, you know, or or they're the fact that ultimately,
• 1:05:05
  when you're an adult in our society, your your safety is your responsibility
• 1:05:11
  to a degree, you know, and it doesn't matter if you say,
• 1:05:15
  well, don't victim blame if if it doesn't eat well good great. Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  but you're still the one who's going to deal with the negative fallout of
• 1:05:25
  any mistakes in taking responsibility for your own safety, right, And so that
• 1:05:30
  they want to feel protected by men. Paradoxically, that that's what that bear
• 1:05:35
  man meme is. Yeah, and I'm sure some of them are just freaking
• 1:05:40
  cruel narcissists. You just want to make men feel bad, you know,
• 1:05:45
  it's it, but it's just it is. Yeah, don't don't use this,
• 1:05:49
  like, don't use this. Why don't you just go up to your
• 1:05:53
  men and ask him for a hug, you know, be like, I
• 1:05:57
  feel safe in your arms, give me a hug. You know, you
• 1:06:00
  don't have to do this whole bar meme shit, because that's that like spewing
• 1:06:03
  venom or ass, like throwing a cup of acid in his face and then
• 1:06:08
  saying, but don't you still love me? Yeah? Fuck? Just okay,
• 1:06:14
  here's the alternative to the bar meme. That's same. You know you're
• 1:06:16
  feeling a little bit insecure about the world, ladies, just go to your
• 1:06:21
  male partner and say, hey, I feel safe in your arms, give
• 1:06:24
  me a huge. See if that works better, like ultimately for you and
• 1:06:29
  your relationship, then I think you're I'm afraid of men and I would choose
• 1:06:33
  a bear. Oh, hug me. I can't believe I would choose a
• 1:06:38
  bear. I can't believe it saved me from choosing the bear. What the
• 1:06:42
  hell? I don't know. I think it's honestly, I think it's a
• 1:06:45
  manipulation, a really easy one, like they just tell them, you know,
• 1:06:49
  ladies. A lot of other ladies have said they feel safer in the
• 1:06:53
  woods with a bear than they do with a man, and then they just
• 1:06:57
  believe it. It's kind of like you know the old Looney to Okay Looney
• 1:07:00
  Tunes cartoon where it's like duck season, rabbit season, and and uh,
• 1:07:05
  you know, Bugs Buddy will say it's it's duck season, and Daffy Duck
• 1:07:10
  will say it's rabid season, and they go back and forth, and then
• 1:07:12
  Bugs Bunny will switch it up and say, actually, it's rabbit season,
• 1:07:15
  and then Daffy will say it's duck season, and then Bugs will say it's
• 1:07:19
  rabbit season. And then daff said it's it's duck season, and that's it,
• 1:07:24
  and then he gets shot by Elmer Fudd. And it's basically that like
• 1:07:28
  women are just told, look all these women agree, and then the other
• 1:07:30
  women, the women who see it, they're just like, well, I
• 1:07:32
  have to go along with it because everybody else does, so it must be
• 1:07:34
  true even if there's no like conceivable reason to believe it. So yeah,
• 1:07:43
  it's it's well, it's it's like it's either it's man season for man's season
• 1:07:49
  for women in a relationship. It might be an incredibly nasty way of simply
• 1:07:55
  saying all my work could be Yeah, no, I agree, aren't who
• 1:08:00
  are? Just like it's just basically, I don't know. People have to
• 1:08:05
  have something to hate on periodically. They just gotta open open their bile gland
• 1:08:11
  and and disgorge it onto something. Yeah, and that's something in our society
• 1:08:16
  as men. Yep, Okay, all right, shall we take a look
• 1:08:23
  at that. Yeah, let's look at the chaser and then we'll wrap it
• 1:08:25
  up. So let me see where is it here? I gotta put it
• 1:08:30
  on the screen for your discussing. Do you want to look at the the
• 1:08:32
  tweet or the website? Look at the tweet. Yeah, that's good enough.
• 1:08:39
  Into the website, we're gonna we're gonna be two hours. Yeah,
• 1:08:43
  No, it's true. It's true. It's true. All right, So,
• 1:08:46
  uh, this is discussing film. It's a post and it says sex
• 1:08:50
  and nudity in movies has decreased by almost forty percent. Movies with no sexual
• 1:08:55
  content has increased from twenty percent per year to fifty. So why is that,
• 1:09:05
  Oh, Matt Jarbo, we need to make America horny again? Well,
• 1:09:09
  yeah, honestly, I think it's because people I was noticing this,
• 1:09:12
  like we've been doing a lot of because of you know, we're doing an
• 1:09:15
  analysis of storytelling because I'm writing a book and there are actually other people in
• 1:09:19
  the discord who are also writing books or were short stories or whatever. When
• 1:09:26
  we were looking at older sorry, I'll get closer here. When we were
• 1:09:29
  looking at older like movies, there is a lot more sexual tension. I
• 1:09:34
  actually saw a tweet by someone who who what what When you say sexual attention,
• 1:09:39
  you're not talking about nudity per se, no, or sexual content,
• 1:09:42
  that kind of that kind of sense that men the desire like, yeah,
• 1:09:46
  the old like black and white films are up to like the eighties and maybe
• 1:09:50
  the early nineties, Like there's a sense of tension between men and women,
• 1:09:56
  like a sense of you know, there was a desire there. Yeah,
• 1:10:00
  and it's honestly, it's it's not really present so much in the current cinema.
• 1:10:09
  And that was I remember looking at this tweet by someone who said that
• 1:10:13
  they were watching like a I think it was maybe an eighty sitcom, just
• 1:10:15
  a sitcom, and they were uncomfortable by how quote unquote sexual It was.
• 1:10:23
  No, it's a sitcom, right, But what they mean is that there
• 1:10:26
  is a sexual tension between men and women like a palpable sexual tension, even
• 1:10:30
  though if nothing sexual is happening, they feel that these two people are attracted
• 1:10:34
  to each other. You don't get that as much anymore, I don't think.
• 1:10:36
  I mean, I remember watching this movie which was about this woman who
• 1:10:40
  I think was a tennis pro who was having sex with two men or something.
• 1:10:44
  There's no sense of sexuality, and it's like it's it's in your face,
• 1:10:46
  but it's like it's sexless sexuality. I don't know how to describe it,
• 1:10:53
  but it's like this kind of desireless genital slapping. Yeah, the best
• 1:11:00
  way to put it, I guess. And but the further back you go,
• 1:11:03
  you can actually feel that tension, like you can feel that men and
• 1:11:08
  women are attracted to each other and it feels very it feels very you know,
• 1:11:13
  within the context to be appropriate, and and that that that's sort of
• 1:11:19
  missing. And there was something that I was going to say about putting sexuality
• 1:11:25
  into stories because I know that maybe you can speak to this, because I
• 1:11:30
  know you're you're you're a Christian and maybe more I don't know, want to
• 1:11:33
  say you're conservative, but I think there's an aversion to putting sex and stories.
• 1:11:40
  But I know that the Bible has a lot of sex, and I
• 1:11:44
  think a lot of the importance of sexuality is you know, it isn't just
• 1:11:49
  there for its own sake. It's also there because it's about how you should
• 1:11:55
  approach it and what it means and the consequences, and so it's not just
• 1:12:00
  sexy times for its own sake. It's about what is appropriate, what's inappropriate,
• 1:12:05
  how to approach it. And I think that that's that's something that we
• 1:12:12
  shouldn't necessarily seed because what's happening now is the only sex in stories really is
• 1:12:17
  saalacious. It's not really about like we're going to hint at the process of
• 1:12:24
  developing a relationship between two people, or we're going to depict aspects of that.
• 1:12:29
  It's all like I was watching Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones is
• 1:12:32
  really bad about this. Oh god, the sex. They would just throw
• 1:12:36
  in like sex scenes just to like justify it being on HBO. I only
• 1:12:42
  watch one season of Game of Thrones. I do not I'm sorry, guys.
• 1:12:45
  I know that there is Game of Thrones fans, but I do not
• 1:12:47
  get it, Like I do not get it. I was not happy,
• 1:12:51
  but the sex was just kind of like it was just I know what you're
• 1:12:57
  saying, Okay, Like, yeah, I don't think that. I don't
• 1:13:00
  think that Christianity is anti sex at all. I think that that is a
• 1:13:06
  misnomer put out by certain sort of you know, weird Protestant cults you know
• 1:13:13
  that have I'm serious, like bec it's like there's like a weird like yeah,
• 1:13:15
  well some of the Protestant denominations are a bit weird about that, like
• 1:13:20
  they they you know, they have a I don't know, like an approach
• 1:13:24
  that I don't think is accurate. I think that being a Christian has more
• 1:13:27
  to do with being human, and being human is like understanding all of the
• 1:13:30
  aspects of that. I mean, like literally it starts with Adam and Eve,
• 1:13:34
  like that's where it begins and their children, right. So I think
• 1:13:39
  that you can tell you can put sex in a story, but it has
• 1:13:42
  to like it has to serve a purpose. And I think that if you
• 1:13:46
  can do it in a way that is like subtle and tasteful, even if
• 1:13:50
  you're exploring really dark and controversial territory, I think that that's actually really meaningful.
• 1:13:56
  And I give an example of that is the I've never seen said,
• 1:14:00
  haven't seen this movie in a very long time, But there's a a black
• 1:14:02
  and white film called Lolita about a guy who was seduced by a younger woman,
• 1:14:08
  and you don't see anything, Like they don't show anything because it's an
• 1:14:12
  old movie and they just they had like certain codes they were trying to stick
• 1:14:15
  to. But you could tell that there was extreme sexual tension between the man
• 1:14:20
  I forget his name, and Lolita and you. And you see this in
• 1:14:25
  lots of old movies. That's why I said, you know when when they
• 1:14:28
  have these like shots of like the the woman staring into the eyes of the
• 1:14:31
  man before they kiss, and the music is swelling and all that, like
• 1:14:35
  that's sexual tension. You don't have to see it. But like later,
• 1:14:40
  like in our I think that, you know, in terms of like how
• 1:14:44
  it's presented, I think that it gets like really where it feels exploitative and
• 1:14:49
  not like relevant. But I don't mean that in a feminist way. I
• 1:14:53
  think the feminism is what killed it. Actually, I think the Me Too
• 1:14:56
  movement is why like movies don't have any sex in them, or when they
• 1:15:00
  do, it's always like from this certain perspective, Like there was a show
• 1:15:03
  I didn't watch it, but there's a show I think it's called Euphoria or
• 1:15:06
  something, and I guess there's a lot of like, you know, degenerate
• 1:15:10
  stuff in it, and some of it is sexual. But I haven't really
• 1:15:14
  seen anything well done in that regard for a while, you know, like
• 1:15:18
  when in the movies that I like, yeah, the movies I enjoy from,
• 1:15:21
  Like do you remember when Neo and Trinity had sex? I thought that
• 1:15:26
  was super awkward, Like I was like, really uncomfortable. Do you guys
• 1:15:29
  remember that? And the matrix reloaded like it was but they were supposed to,
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  I mean it was I think it was supposed to be natural, but
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  it was just so like, I don't know, it was just awkward.
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  Like I felt like I didn't need to see it because I think the thing
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  is no I'm serious. I think sometimes you don't have to show it in
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  order for us to know it's happening. You know. There was this old
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  there was this old eight bit video game on the an eight bit in Nintendo
• 1:15:55
  console called gold Go thirteen. It was based on this manga of this like
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  super Assassin Guy gold Go thirteen super manly and at the end of every level,
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  you would play through this level. At the end of every level,
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  he would sleep with a woman and then you would have your health restored.
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  But the way they showed it was he'd be having a conversation and then there'd
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  be like a shot outside of the hotel or whatever, and you see the
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  window and the silhouette of her running into his arms, and then the screen
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  would fade. And we would laugh at that every time because it was so
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  funny. But we knew what happened, but we didn't need to see it.
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  So I think that there is a way to do, you know,
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  sexuality without avoiding it, because it is a part of what it is to
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  be human and it doesn't necessarily have to be tasteful. But I get what
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  you mean when you feel like there's no emotional content. That's what I'm getting
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  at. I think there has to be emotional content. Alison, we dropped.
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  Something happened. I gotta refresh hold on, guys. It dropped for
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  a moment. I'm gonna come back in rolling out the red carpet. Something
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  happened. I apologize, guys, and refresh. I'm gonna refresh one more
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  time and see if this does it. Oh my god, what's going on.
• 1:17:31
  Connecting Riverside's been a little disappointing lately. I'll put this back up on
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  the screen while I wait for this thing to come up so you guys can
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  see it. I'll look at your comments while I'm waiting for this thing to
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  connect, so let me see super Chow Maintaining Frame is a cool show.
• 1:17:56
  For five dollars. Thank you, Hi, y'all. I really like the
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  Maintaining Frame series. Thanks, you're welcome. Thanks for joining us. Hey,
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  anybody here that's watching from our YouTube short stream because I'm curious about how
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  much reach it's getting and if there's like people who've never heard of us that
• 1:18:12
  see it now, because that would be super cool. Albert Nata Retroguez is
• 1:18:15
  a super chat and says for two dollars Canadian that's the new movie with Zendaiya.
• 1:18:20
  I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Are you talking about Euphorio?
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  Is that a movie? I never saw it, so I'm not really
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  sure. Oh my god, this is like broken, dude, it's broken?
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  Why is it not working? I mean have to message Allison here,
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  hold on, okay, I'm gonna end the show. Alison says, I
• 1:18:45
  should just end the show. She says sexlessness in films is basically a symptom
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  of the decline. I'm inclined to agree with that, so I'm sorry for
• 1:18:54
  the bullshit I gotta say. Man, I'm not impressed with Riverside right now.
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  I'm just saying I got my, I got my my, my concerns,
• 1:19:05
  but I'm gonna end it there. Basically, I think that this,
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  the decline of the relationship between men and women, is why films have become
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  more sexless. Even when they have sex in them, they're kind of like
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  tacked on and like you know, dry or exploitative, feeling like they're just
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  kind of extra and there really isn't much passion there. And I think that
• 1:19:27
  what's missing is like a sense of romance and passion and they're just replacing with
• 1:19:31
  just like carnal sex, right, and I don't think it works. So
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  anyway, let us let us know what you guys think about the show.
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  I'm gonna end the show there. So if you guys like this video,
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