Latest / INSIGHT TODAY / Pull the plug! Trump's ads blocked as 'PROPAGANDA' after losses on Kimmel, press ban
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his administration are losing in court all
- 0:02Speaker 1: over the place.
- 0:03Speaker 2: Some of this may be distraction techniques.
- 0:06Speaker 1: We've all lived through a lot of Trump, so he
- 0:08Speaker 1: does something breaking or stretching the rules, gets in trouble,
- 0:11Speaker 1: and he hopes people talk about that with great outrage over, say,
- 0:15Speaker 1: the jobs, the economy, the gas prices, things that, of course,
- 0:18Speaker 1: led our broadcast tonight. At the same time, illegal conduct
- 0:22Speaker 1: by an administration can't be normalized. So the Trump administration
- 0:26Speaker 1: is under understandable criticism. for what looks like blowing past
- 0:31Speaker 1: a judge's order when there was a deadline to halt
- 0:34Speaker 1: taxpayer-funded campaign ads that for now are frozen because they
- 0:38Speaker 1: may be illegal. A judge Sunday basically temporarily blocked the
- 0:42Speaker 1: administration from running any more of them.
- 0:43Speaker 2: This is a controversy you've probably heard about.
- 0:46Speaker 1: They've tried to buy ad times on a bunch of
- 0:48Speaker 1: different networks, and they look like potentially illegal campaign ads
- 0:52Speaker 1: that taxpayers aren't supposed to fund.
- 0:54Speaker 2: This is a first step, a temporary ruling.
- 0:56Speaker 1: The judge did say they're likely to succeed on the
- 0:58Speaker 1: merits against Trump. given that the purposes are authorized by
- 1:02Speaker 1: Congress and this violates restrictions on propaganda.
- 1:05Speaker 2: That's the quote from the ruling.
- 1:07Speaker 1: Now, because the DOJ already blew past this briefly, they've
- 1:11Speaker 1: now said sorry for letting the ads continue to run,
- 1:16Speaker 1: at least initially. The DOJ faces heat on a number
- 1:19Speaker 1: of fronts, though, because it also has cooked up what
- 1:23Speaker 1: I can tell you as, well, a legal reporter for
- 1:26Speaker 1: this network and a lawyer myself, what looks like an
- 1:29Speaker 1: obviously serious or as lawyers say, pretextual probe going after
- 1:34Speaker 1: TV news networks because the administration is angry that it
- 1:37Speaker 1: lost in that White House press ban case. The DOJ
- 1:41Speaker 1: is trying to say that the TV networks somehow might
- 1:45Speaker 1: have broken the law because they responded to that press
- 1:49Speaker 1: ban with the pool coverage. A judge has also temporarily
- 1:52Speaker 1: reinstated News Outlet's White House access and there are more
- 1:56Speaker 1: rulings expected. This is just some of the probes and
- 2:01Speaker 1: investigations that Trump has waged against his media targets. We've
- 2:05Speaker 1: been tracking and updating it over time. You can see
- 2:07Speaker 1: several places where he's lost, other places where outlets settled.
- 2:12Speaker 1: The overall record, though, shows those who fight tend to win.
- 2:17Speaker 1: I want to bring in Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney,
- 2:19Speaker 1: federal prosecutor. Joyce, when you look at the, what I
- 2:24Speaker 1: said lawyers would call pretextual probe of news network's pool access.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Where does that fit into what has been a largely
- 2:33Speaker 1: losing but often exhausting campaign against the free press and
- 2:37Speaker 1: comics and others?
- 2:40Speaker 3: It really is Trump versus the free press at this point.
- 2:43Speaker 3: And I think your use of the word pretextual is
- 2:46Speaker 3: dead on the money, because the reality is when the
- 2:50Speaker 3: press pool briefly suspended its coverage and That's not what
- 2:54Speaker 3: antitrust law refers to as a boycott, as a group
- 2:58Speaker 3: coming together to boycott as a restraint on trade. And
- 3:01Speaker 3: so Trump is simply seeking bargaining chips. And he's gotten
- 3:05Speaker 3: away with this. In so many cases, folks have been
- 3:08Speaker 3: intimidated by his efforts to frustrate them, and they've caved.
- 3:12Speaker 3: And the reality here is the media did the right
- 3:16Speaker 3: thing coming to the defense of MSNBC of MS now
- 3:21Speaker 3: of CNN and of Politico.
- 3:23Speaker 2: We do that all the time.
- 3:25Speaker 3: Hard passes, right? I know it's so hard. Occasionally MSNBC
- 3:29Speaker 3: still comes out.
- 3:31Speaker 1: It comes out and it's okay. Uh, it's, uh, you know,
- 3:34Speaker 1: it's a rebrand, but we all know what you mean.
- 3:36Speaker 1: And you look at the serious part of it, which is, uh,
- 3:39Speaker 1: it's rare to see Fox and CNN coordinate on much
- 3:42Speaker 1: of anything. Uh, Here, on the facts, it was dealing
- 3:47Speaker 1: with a very extreme effort to divide and kneecap the
- 3:51Speaker 1: press coverage.
- 3:53Speaker 2: I haven't seen any public evidence, which the DOJ would
- 3:56Speaker 2: have to offer.
- 3:57Speaker 1: That there was a, quote, commercial or monopolizing benefit to
- 4:02Speaker 1: those outlets.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Right.
- 4:04Speaker 3: I actually went back and read the Sherman Antitrust Act
- 4:08Speaker 3: the night that that reporting came out. And as you
- 4:11Speaker 3: look through both the statute and the case law defining it,
- 4:15Speaker 3: it clearly has to be a boycott with an intention
- 4:18Speaker 3: to restrain trade, to have a commercial impact. This was
- 4:21Speaker 3: something very different. This was a defense of First Amendment
- 4:24Speaker 3: rights and of the free press. And it simply won't
- 4:27Speaker 3: get anywhere if they try to investigate this as antitrust.
- 4:32Speaker 2: Yeah. Then there's the revenge prosecutions. We've been charting that.
- 4:35Speaker 1: We've added Congresswoman Omar on there as a potential target.
- 4:40Speaker 2: Again, we'll follow the evidence, but they've.
- 4:42Speaker 1: Gone to extremes against these sort of internal policies that
- 4:48Speaker 1: raise the bar for pre-election activities here. We're in a
- 4:51Speaker 1: very close window of the midterms. Her house was searched,
- 4:53Speaker 1: as people can see on the lower right. This chart
- 4:57Speaker 1: has grown, and it would be comically large if these
- 5:00Speaker 1: weren't all such serious cases.
- 5:01Speaker 2: That implicate potential jail time.
- 5:03Speaker 1: Joyce, you've been reporting on this for us with legal
- 5:07Speaker 1: analysis as well as in writing on your newsletter where
- 5:09Speaker 1: you say it's hard to imagine DOJ just learned about
- 5:14Speaker 1: the existence of evidence that it so urgently needed to
- 5:17Speaker 1: recover that it couldn't wait to a few weeks for
- 5:20Speaker 1: the election to be over before striking. Tell us about
- 5:25Speaker 1: what you found in looking at this case and whether
- 5:29Speaker 1: these so-called guidance or norms about pre-election activities possibly need
- 5:34Speaker 1: to be tightened in the future. They're clearly not holding
- 5:36Speaker 1: these folks back.
- 5:39Speaker 3: No, they're not holding them back. They have no respect
- 5:42Speaker 3: for the norms or for the justice manual, which says
- 5:45Speaker 3: prosecutors within 60 days of an election are shouldn't take
- 5:49Speaker 3: these sorts of overt investigative acts that can influence, that
- 5:53Speaker 3: have the potential to influence the outcome of elections. Here,
- 5:56Speaker 3: it's even more serious than cases where some action is
- 5:59Speaker 3: taken 45, 60 days out. Here, voting is already underway
- 6:05Speaker 3: in Minnesota when this happens. Now, look, the Justice Department
- 6:09Speaker 3: may have a case against the congresswoman.
- 6:11Speaker 2: We don't know.
- 6:12Speaker 3: We don't really know anything about their case. The problem is,
- 6:16Speaker 3: if this was any other Justice Department, you would give
- 6:18Speaker 3: them the benefit of the doubt. Here we've been through
- 6:21Speaker 3: revenge prosecution after revenge prosecution where the government's cases have
- 6:25Speaker 3: been dismissed or they've had to dismiss them themselves or
- 6:29Speaker 3: grand juries have declined to indict.
- 6:30Speaker 1: Let me jump in and ask, do you have a
- 6:33Speaker 1: concern that they're trying to add smoke and headlines against
- 6:38Speaker 1: her and folks who don't follow this as closely say, well,
- 6:41Speaker 1: wait a minute. I'm seeing this weeks out.
- 6:44Speaker 2: Maybe I don't vote for her.
- 6:45Speaker 1: I mean, that would seem like a type of DOJ-enabled meddling.
- 6:52Speaker 3: That's exactly what the 60-day rule is meant to prevent.
- 6:56Speaker 3: And so the fact that they're violating it would seem
- 6:59Speaker 3: to make it clear that that's the intention. The only
- 7:02Speaker 3: reason that you might at this point execute a search
- 7:05Speaker 3: warrant would be If there was new evidence, you were
- 7:08Speaker 3: afraid it was going to be destroyed. It was critical
- 7:11Speaker 3: that you get it immediately. But to the extent that
- 7:14Speaker 3: there's an investigation here, it's something that's been dragging on
- 7:17Speaker 3: for years. She's been, you know, a favorite whipping boy
- 7:20Speaker 3: for Donald Trump on claims of faulty immigration for a
- 7:23Speaker 3: very long time. There's no reason to believe that something
- 7:26Speaker 3: so spectacular and compelling has cropped up that they had
- 7:29Speaker 3: to execute a search warrant immediately. And, you know, this
- 7:32Speaker 3: was executed at her D.C. residence, which is a little
- 7:35Speaker 3: bit odd. You would think that if there was evidence
- 7:38Speaker 3: about immigration status, it would be at her home in Minnesota.
- 7:42Speaker 3: All of her original immigration papers are already in the
- 7:45Speaker 3: government's possession. They had to be provided to the government.
- 7:49Speaker 3: So it's tough to understand without an explanation from the government,
- 7:53Speaker 3: which you might have expected to receive if there was
- 7:56Speaker 3: more than smoke here to defend its actions.
- 8:00Speaker 2: Or just click below. Thanks.