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Episode 15, Season 2: The Power of Play in Healing, with Special Guest Lauran September · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I am your co
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  Speaker 1: host Raina Butcher here with our host, doctor Sarah Hinsley,
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  Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of the love Doc relationship coaching
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  Speaker 1: services and the Love Dog Podcast. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at the lovedoc dot com and on all social media
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  Speaker 1: handles at doctor Sarah Hinsley.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 3: I'm super excited about our guests today.
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  Speaker 1: Me too, so interesting little fact before we get started.
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  Speaker 1: First off, our guest today is Lauren September. Lauren is
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  Speaker 1: my high school best friend. So today is a very
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  Speaker 1: special episode for me and you guys get to see
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  Speaker 1: how awesome I am and choosing these amazing two people
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  Speaker 1: as my best friend.
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  Speaker 4: This is as close to NEPO baby as I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very excited for.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, Lauren, just to give her a little background
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  Speaker 1: on her, we met but between the summer of our
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  Speaker 1: eighth grade and freshman year. No, yeah, you're right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we were just sort of like instant friends. Her
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  Speaker 1: first cousin was my high school sweetheart. That's another episode.
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  Speaker 1: But we we just you know, we've sort of been
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  Speaker 1: inseparable for like thirty years, so we had like a
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  Speaker 1: big chunk of I mean we've been I mean she
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  Speaker 1: lives in La Yeah, she lived in she lived in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago and then in LA But we've always managed to
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  Speaker 1: stay in touch and always you know, keep our friendship alive.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren is a spiritual guide, creative consult and actress,
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  Speaker 1: and author of her self published book, Playful Healing. So
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  Speaker 1: today's episode, we are going to talk with Lauren specifically
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  Speaker 1: around her career in acting, her time at Second City,
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  Speaker 1: her experience with improv, and of course about her book
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  Speaker 1: what led her to write her book. But more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk and who knows where this conversation
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  Speaker 1: could go. I'm really excited our free flow gangs are.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about the power of play
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  Speaker 1: and healing and that yes, and it's so gosh, it's
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  Speaker 1: so important. And I like, I can think as I
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  Speaker 1: get older and I think about what brings me true joy,
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  Speaker 1: it's the times in my life that I'm with the
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  Speaker 1: people I love the most and we're just doing playful things,
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  Speaker 1: whether that's in nature, or whether that's traveling or whether
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  Speaker 1: you know, Josh and I are out on a date
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  Speaker 1: and we're really like just our most authentic, beautiful selves
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  Speaker 1: and we're being playful and kind of like nitpicking at
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  Speaker 1: each other. And I mean we this is basically our
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  Speaker 1: how our relationship has been for the past thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: is we kind of play with each other and we
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  Speaker 1: at times I've wanted to punch you in the face.
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  Speaker 2: Over it, she has, I'd ever here in my sister.
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  Speaker 2: That's again a lot of story, a lot of Native
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  Speaker 2: American burns, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, Indian burns, yes, Native American. Yes, we
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  Speaker 1: have to be politically correct here. But so let's talk
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  Speaker 1: first about your career. So you've built a career both
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  Speaker 1: in acting and creative consulting. So how did you first
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  Speaker 1: discover the connection between creativity, play, and emotional healing?
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  Speaker 2: O big question.
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  Speaker 4: The first of all, let me just say thank you
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  Speaker 4: for having me. I'm really excited, big fan. Recently just
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  Speaker 4: started to kind of learn about attachment theory, and I
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  Speaker 4: just think it's really delicious to get in there and
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  Speaker 4: kind of understand and it's just another tool and another
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  Speaker 4: bit of information about how we can explore and learn
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  Speaker 4: about ourselves. So, you know, I think I've always been
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  Speaker 4: a very curious person and I've always cultivated a love
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  Speaker 4: for creativity, and arts and exploration and expression. Those those
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  Speaker 4: are kind of like the cornerstones of my life when
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  Speaker 4: I look back through it all. And I've always been
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  Speaker 4: very like a seeker. I've always kind of studied different religions.
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  Speaker 4: I've always kind of been led by things that I
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  Speaker 4: find fascinating and allow them to kind of take me
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  Speaker 4: where they go, and I explore them to the depths.
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  Speaker 4: And that kind of started with being raised Catholic and
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  Speaker 4: in a very Catholic environment and a very ornate church
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  Speaker 4: and kind of sitting in there and being like this
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  Speaker 4: is interesting, this is weird. So like this is just
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  Speaker 4: like okay, we do this. We stand up, we sit down,
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  Speaker 4: we kneel, we do that.
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  Speaker 2: I have that in common.
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  Speaker 3: Yea.
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  Speaker 4: I was there so all this ritual, all these things,
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  Speaker 4: and so I think and I was always kind of
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  Speaker 4: a person who questioned things at the beginning, which was
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  Speaker 4: very audacious. And my family never questioned ca but I was.
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  Speaker 4: It came from a place of genuine curiosity, and it
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  Speaker 4: was just like, so this is this is what this is,
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  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You're not saying it's bad or good. You're just like, huh,
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  Speaker 1: this is You're just questioning it.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think it's important to question it and to
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  Speaker 4: stay in a place of observation in life and neutrality
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  Speaker 4: in the sense of like not attaching to good or bad,
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  Speaker 4: just being like, Okay, this is this is where we are,
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  Speaker 4: this is interesting, why do we do this? What is
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  Speaker 4: that about? And kind of going deeper. So that kind
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  Speaker 4: of is the foundation. Now. I was raised by like
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  Speaker 4: a single mother in kind of rule Kentucky, So these
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  Speaker 4: were things that weren't necessarily the norm, and so I
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  Speaker 4: think right out of the bat I was like, right
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  Speaker 4: out of the gate, I was like, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: And everybody was like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you were definitely per se the black sheep
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  Speaker 1: of your family.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think my mom was, and I think or is,
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  Speaker 4: and I think I just carried the baton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah she was. She took another level.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a musician her whole life in the
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  Speaker 1: Lexington music scene for a very long time.
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  Speaker 4: She wasn't a musician until later and well like in
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  Speaker 4: her twenties when she was asked to sing somewhere and
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  Speaker 4: then she was like, oh I love this. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that kind of created a safe space for me.
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  Speaker 4: And then moving through childhood, trauma. Art became a place
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  Speaker 4: for me to express, to heal, to be authentic, to explore,
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  Speaker 4: to be big, to be bold, to be all these
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  Speaker 4: things that I didn't necessarily feel comfortable being in real life,
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  Speaker 4: or that I was shunned for, or that was like Lauren,
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  Speaker 4: you're being too much or you're too loud, or all
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  Speaker 4: the things that come with that. And so that was
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  Speaker 4: really a safe space for me to to allow myself
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  Speaker 4: to explore and to really get in touch with all
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  Speaker 4: these things. And so when I look back at my life,
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  Speaker 4: I can see that pattern building, and I can see
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  Speaker 4: how that I've cultivated that over time, like it was
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  Speaker 4: introduced to me, but I followed that instinct. And so
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  Speaker 4: I think as I've gotten older, as I've experienced life,
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  Speaker 4: as certain things have happened to me, or I should
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  Speaker 4: just say certain things I've experienced, because nothing kind of
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  Speaker 4: happens to you. You're creating it and you're moving through
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  Speaker 4: that experience. I've always kept that thread, and I've always
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  Speaker 4: maintained creativity, and I've always kind of followed my instincts
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  Speaker 4: in that way. So when time came to go to college,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't first of all, didn't want to go to college.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, I'm an artist.
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  Speaker 2: Like Cirie, that's cute.
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  Speaker 4: You were like in Nelson County High School.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, so what.
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  Speaker 4: But I ended up going to school for music and theater,
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  Speaker 4: and then later just theater found my people, flourished, really
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  Speaker 4: threw myself into that, and again it allowed me to
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  Speaker 4: kind of expand into a space where I could explore,
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  Speaker 4: be creative, and be all these kind of things.
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  Speaker 2: Unapologetically, unapologetically yes.
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  Speaker 4: And then when time came to graduate, I went to Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was doing theater in Chicago and doing
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  Speaker 4: very serious theater, and somebody was like, you need to
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  Speaker 4: put improv on your resume because that looks good on
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  Speaker 4: a resume, and I was like, okay, and I did,
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  Speaker 4: and I absolutely fell in love. And I can remember
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  Speaker 4: the moment I was sitting in an improv class at
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  Speaker 4: Second City and you had to take so I went
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  Speaker 4: through the Conservatory and you had to take all these
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  Speaker 4: classes before you could even apply for the conservators. Very
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  Speaker 4: fancy back then. It was like, oh, you're in the
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  Speaker 4: Conservatory in Chicago, and I remember taking all these prerequisite
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  Speaker 4: classes and being like, oh, this could save the world.
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  Speaker 4: Like if everybody took this class. And I know that
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  Speaker 4: sounds really hyperbolic, but a lot of it, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the founding principles of improvisation. The art form is
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  Speaker 4: kind of Buddhist. It's about being present, it's about saying yes,
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  Speaker 4: opening yourself up in these situations, collaborating, bouncing. You're in
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  Speaker 4: a relationship with somebody on stage and you go out
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  Speaker 4: on stage with nothing, and you're like, it's you and me,
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  Speaker 4: And something that we say as improvisers before we go
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  Speaker 4: on stage is I've got your back. And I think
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  Speaker 4: this is like the most beautiful relationship, a ground of
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  Speaker 4: you know, just fertile play to kind of develop that
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  Speaker 4: way of like we're going to war tonight together and
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  Speaker 4: there's the audience and it's just you and me and
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  Speaker 4: we got to do.
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  Speaker 1: This, and I could see how that could serve you
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  Speaker 1: in your in your own personal relationships.
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  Speaker 2: Big time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's honestly, when I got into improv,
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  Speaker 4: I was like it just felt right. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: this is everything, this is the most incredible. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing in life. Yeah, we're just
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  Speaker 4: showing up. Nobody's telling us, and we got a kind
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  Speaker 4: of a handful of rules and you're like, go, what.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to create?
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  Speaker 4: And there's nothing that allows you other than intimate relationships,
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  Speaker 4: a way to really go deep within yourself. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: you get put on stage and you can't rely on
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  Speaker 4: anything you've previously relied on. The masks drop you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can get into improv classes and you
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  Speaker 4: can see people's stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, see that core.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you see how they rely on humor. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you see how it becomes an identity. You can see them,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just their.
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  Speaker 2: In sior anxiety, their anxieties I had.
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  Speaker 4: I had a teacher once tell me in improv class,
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  Speaker 4: I was pretty far along. I had already gone through conservatory.
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  Speaker 4: I was also doing IO at the same time, which
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  Speaker 4: in Chicago at the time, that was like a big thing,
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  Speaker 4: like when you get bit by the improv bug, you
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  Speaker 4: that you you know, eat, sleep, and breathe it. And
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  Speaker 4: so I was doing two programs at the same time.
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  Speaker 4: And Second City is more of like short form improv
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  Speaker 4: character based. You're improvising to write, So you're improvising and
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  Speaker 4: then you're tweaking and you're creating sketches, and then you're
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  Speaker 4: presenting that as theater iowe was like jazz improv. It
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  Speaker 4: was like, you're going up there and this is the
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  Speaker 4: art form, and I just remember being like, oh man,
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  Speaker 4: this is incredible adrenaline Russ. It's adrenaline rush so intense,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, there's just Honestly, I know it
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  Speaker 4: sounds hyperbolic, but I think everybody should take an improv class. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think everybody should study it at some point.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's so important. I mean, I've worked with
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  Speaker 4: children and like they love it. It's the basis of everything,
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  Speaker 4: and it allows your inner child to come out. It
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  Speaker 4: allows you to go maybe be vulnerable and deep in
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  Speaker 4: situations with people other than romantic relationships because you're looking
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  Speaker 4: at each other in the eye and you're like, let's
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  Speaker 4: just create.
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  Speaker 2: And it's extremely vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're watching people. Every sense is heightened, so
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  Speaker 4: you're looking at somebody's body and you're reading it and
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  Speaker 4: you're going, Okay, so I'm going up to do nothing
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  Speaker 4: and I start doing this right, and so you look
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  Speaker 4: at it and then you're creating based off of another person.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just the ultimate volley.
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  Speaker 3: I am so trying to figure out right now, and
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  Speaker 3: of course this is me being left brained. What parts
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  Speaker 3: of the nervous system are activated right when this has happened. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, because okay, because present moment is
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  Speaker 3: ventral vagel safety, right, safety can only like present moment
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  Speaker 3: connection only happens in safety. And you're talking about the
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  Speaker 3: present being very alive. But also you're talking about being
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  Speaker 3: hyper vigilant, which is a fight or flight state, right,
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  Speaker 3: and like then there's probably some state of maybe dissociation
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  Speaker 3: from your own personal reality and absolutely right, And so
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  Speaker 3: that's dorsal veagel. And we know that like fighter flight
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  Speaker 3: and dorsal veagel can be activated at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: but I've never heard of like really all three like
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  Speaker 3: all three states can't really be So you're oscillating between
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  Speaker 3: these states very quickly, which that to me is freaking
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  Speaker 3: fascinating that the human brain can oscillate between all of
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  Speaker 3: these nervous system states to create this art. Wow. To me,
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  Speaker 3: that is like I just have chills, Yeah, because to me,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, I'm thinking about the nervous system and
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  Speaker 3: how it works and the science behind it, and just
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  Speaker 3: thinking about how the flexibility of you as a human
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  Speaker 3: having to have that level of flexibility to do that
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  Speaker 3: so quickly and to be so adept at that and
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  Speaker 3: then to enjoy the process, well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it shows how malleable the brain is.
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  Speaker 3: So malleable. The brain is so malleable, And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I try to tell people all the time who are
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  Speaker 3: stuck in these horrible, failing relationship cycles. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is fixible because your brain is malleable, because your
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  Speaker 3: brain is flexible. You're stuck in one pattern now and
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  Speaker 3: you don't know how to get out of it. But
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  Speaker 3: I do know how to get out of it, and
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  Speaker 3: I have the tools for you to help you get
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  Speaker 3: out of it. And that's why all of my coaching
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  Speaker 3: strategy is so focused on somatic processing and mindset and
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  Speaker 3: just really pulling in all of these things that we
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  Speaker 3: know shift and shape the brain. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But the power of play back to the whole point
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  Speaker 1: of this episode is that in terms of healing, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the connection here is the scientific theory behind
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  Speaker 1: how the brain works and what scientists know about the brain,
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  Speaker 1: and what you just said and how fascinated you are
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  Speaker 1: with it really connects to what you said about everyone
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  Speaker 1: should be doing this because this is how we teach
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  Speaker 1: our brain how to go in and out of these
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  Speaker 1: states in a way that is completely present in the
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  Speaker 1: present moment. You're saying, Hey, I can switch from this
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  Speaker 1: to this, and I can go here, and I can observe,
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  Speaker 1: and I can you know, I can do all these
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  Speaker 1: things and I can watch and then.
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  Speaker 3: The brain is yoga for the brain. Yeah, that is
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  Speaker 3: what I think is coming to mind for me. It's
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  Speaker 3: like yoga for the brain. Like, yeah, you learn the flexibility,
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  Speaker 3: and you learn the transitions, and then you learn how
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  Speaker 3: to hold it at a certain point, I'm sure, and
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  Speaker 3: probably based on feedback, right of like your audience.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're feeding off the energy of the audience, you're
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  Speaker 4: feeding off the group. And you know, there's different forms,
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  Speaker 4: so I'll speak to just like long form improv, which
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  Speaker 4: is basically like theater jazz. You get up and we
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  Speaker 4: were doing a thing called a herald, which is a structure.
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  Speaker 4: So we gave we gave it a structure, and you
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  Speaker 4: can create whatever structure you want, but it's like a
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  Speaker 4: three act structure, and in between the acts you have
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  Speaker 4: kind of uh, these very ephemeral brainstorming mind melding group
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  Speaker 4: mind kind of exercises, and that's what we would call it.
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  Speaker 4: You kind of sync up with your troop. And so
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  Speaker 4: what you're doing is you're all going out there on
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  Speaker 4: stage and you're creating spontaneously. You're feeling the audience, you're
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  Speaker 4: feeling each other, You're you're building a three act play,
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  Speaker 4: and you're calling things back. I mean, it's you're you're
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  Speaker 4: playing at the height of your intelligence. You're on you're
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  Speaker 4: firing on all cylinders and it's magic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's and.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's one of the most incredible highs. And
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  Speaker 4: it also is where you can just like demolish yourself too,
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  Speaker 4: and you can get off stage and be like that bomb.
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  Speaker 4: But then also the feeling of it bombing, we turned
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  Speaker 4: into play and we turned into like gold because if
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  Speaker 4: we bombed, then we would go harder into that because
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  Speaker 4: everything was a game, and we made it a game.
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  Speaker 4: And so a big part of my book, so I
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  Speaker 4: went through pretty intense what a lot of people would
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  Speaker 4: call spiritual awakening, but what I like to really call
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  Speaker 4: it is my whole life I've been remembering and I'm
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  Speaker 4: here to remember. And so there have been kind of
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  Speaker 4: these guideposts where I've hit and they've kind of elevated
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  Speaker 4: in my conscious expansion and so about and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of those have come from relationships or failed relationships or
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  Speaker 4: moments where I'm like, what the heck came out of me?
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  Speaker 4: And that what was that? And it kind of propelled
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  Speaker 4: me into another level of dimension of myself of remembering
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  Speaker 4: the totality of myself. And so I feel like playful
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  Speaker 4: healing that was a big part of what I was doing.
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  Speaker 4: Is just like firing on all cylinders, allowing magic to happen,
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  Speaker 4: being present in the moment, and then just evolving to remember,
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  Speaker 4: I'm creating everything that I'm experiencing, and I can create
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  Speaker 4: whatever I want, and I can bring play, and I
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  Speaker 4: can bring levity, and I can bring laughter, and that's
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  Speaker 4: medicine to our souls, to each other, to relationships. And
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  Speaker 4: so it was just this kind of aha moment where
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  Speaker 4: for me, the metaphor of gamifying life of like, we're
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  Speaker 4: just playing here. It's not that serious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And my husband says that all the time, He's like,
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  Speaker 3: hold on, I took myself too seriously.
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  Speaker 2: For a second.
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  Speaker 3: Life should not be so serious, it shouldn't be so hard.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And I was raised in a household where there was
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: always a problem, and there was my parents did not
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: know how to function without having something to worry about,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: to complain about, to you know, be upset about. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I have tried so hard, at part as a part
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: of my healing journey to shed that and to be
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: in gratitude and to be in the present and to
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: get out of the spirit of fear and to just
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like just really experience joy. And it was so foreign
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: to me, and I honestly, I've only been able to
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: experience joy for like the last five years since I've
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: been on this healing journey. I don't think I experienced
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: much joy in my life before that. And my husband,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: as his way of coping with trauma is very humor based,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and you know, he had a little bit of that
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: defense mechanism of humor, right, to avoid some vulnerability, right,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: And then part of his healing journey was to not
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: use humor as a defense mechanism, but to embrace humor
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: for what it was, which was playfulness and being light
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and being free and being funny and just actually having
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: enjoyment and embracing joy. And so he like, when I
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: start to slip into more of that, I have to
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: have a problem, right, sort of those old pathways in
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: my brain. He is able to really bring me out
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: of that and bring me into joy, and he'll crack
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a joke, he'll I mean, of course, he's vulnerable to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: my feelings, and he knows when it's appropriate to give
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: me validation or to be that active listener for me,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: or to just be a comfort and give me that
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: code regulation. But a lot of times he reminds me, Sarah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: life isn't all that serious anymore. Like, you have lived
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: through some of the most serious things that can happen
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to a person, and you've survived it. So let's not
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: let this small thing like weigh you down, right, Like,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: let's come back to joy. And I love that about him.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as someone who's witnessed your journey from sort of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like beginning to now, because I haven't witnessed all of Lauren's,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: but I've really witnessed yours.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: By my side, I can attest to that you.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Are your most playful and easy going self when Donald
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is in the room.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when Donald is in the.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Room, then Sarah is able to sort of let her
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: guard down, not be so in rigid Sarah world, not
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be so black and white and see those more colorful areas. Yes,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he really brings that part out of you.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think, and it makes me feel so safe.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And I think because of that safety again, and joy
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: only happens when your nervous system feels safe. And Donald
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: has been such a part of safety in my nervous
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: system because I created safety by myself. But then you're
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: tested when you get into a relationship. Can you maintain
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: that sense of safety when you have someone that, of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: course is at some point going to trigger you right
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: and shine a light on what you still have left
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: to heal. And he brings out just he brings out
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the best of me in such an important way.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I think that the reason why we've been able to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: maintain our friend friendship like we have over the past
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: eight years is because I think, maybe you know, we
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: saw things and we tend to like lean towards that
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: shadow part of ourselves that we don't necessarily see in ourselves.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And so like there's I mean, guys, we can attest here.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: These are my two best friends, and they're like they
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: bring big brain energy to the world.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm just.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Over here, like lude did you did you?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I say words wrong, Like I ain't got the vocabulary
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: these two got, like Okay, So I'm just like, so
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm so drawn to people like you
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: all because I mean, let's be honest, and I'm not
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: shaming myself and saying this, you're smarter than me, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I am very playful and I like to play. And
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think that when we became friends, you saw that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: part of me and you were drawn to it, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it was the same reason you were drawn to Donald.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you and Donald are actually very similar, very similar people.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very similar.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Very similar to Gabby too, which is very interesting. Gabby,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: my daughter is very artsy. She wants to be in
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Her dream is to go to NYU and be an artist,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: and had that dream, like that dream, you know, the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and the fact that I have like very little artistic
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: side to myself, I would say, like my whole, my
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: whole gig is this left brained piece, right. That scares
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: me because I'm like I always just think starving artists, right,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and like how are you going to support yourself like
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: selling paintings or whatever. And then I go this gallery
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: in Key West and there's like a bag of crumpled
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: up skittles for like four thousand dollars, and I'm like, well,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: maybe it could happen, right, Like maybe I just don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: know that art is whatever you want it to be,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and people are going to be drawn and feel things
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: from things that you wouldn't expect.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Art is powerful because it's audacity and what you're saying
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: of that, Yeah, so what you just kind.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Of audacity is a couple bag of skittles.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: It's somebody that's this is I have the audacity to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: say this is what I'm feeling and I'm expressing, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: that's enough, and somebody is going to come and value
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: it because I value it. And so I think something
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that's so powerful with women across the board, and I
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: think it's for both men and women, but I think
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: we've been societally conditioned to not have audacity. And this
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: is why I felt safe as exploring myself in art
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: was because it gave me permission to be audacious.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: My daughter's so audacious, but she has to hold it
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: back and I think it makes her miserable.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Of course, because it's a mask. And so there's so
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: much that I just want to get into what.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I know I just said. I'm so excited I'm very.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Excited because I would say, like to go back to
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: what you're saying. The connective tissue here that I would
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: observe is that you're authentic. You allow yourself to be imperfect, messy, unintelligent,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: which I would not call you.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Oh my go and so like, you're so smart right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm smart, right, But it's because you are putting
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: what intelligence means in certain parameters, right, and we fit
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: these parameters in certain ways, and you look at that
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and you're like, but I'm not those you are. We
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be sitting here with you if you didn't this whole.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Exist with the codes of that would happened because I
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: would not have been bold enough and creative enough to
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: bring it to life right and I would not be
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: organized enough because I am a CPTSD trauma survivor with
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the ADHD component of CPTSD that, honestly, even all the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: healing in the world never you. Your nervous system is
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: never completely the same. But there's great things about that too.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: There's beautiful things about that that allows me to deeply
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: connect with people who have also been deeply traumatized on
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: a very visceral human level and just just my brain
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: is going back to my daughter. I have to get
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: you in the same room with my daughter. I have
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to she has to see something else besides me, because
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I think I piss her off so much because I'm
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: just I go back to this, like, you have to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: support yourself, you have to be able to do this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You do this this because that's how I was. That
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: was my perfectionism, that was my scarcity mindset from my
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: childhood trauma of not having stability and and so. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: then there's this part of her like she's super into
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: k pop. Okay, super into k pop?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Who isn't okay?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: You know, well me, I've been to a few concerts now.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: But she wants to have this like she wants to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: wear the K pop streetwear, but everybody in her school
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: is like decked out in the Lululemon basic like white
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: girl energy, right, And so she feels this tug of
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: war between I want to be this badass streetwear like
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: K pop queen that's like dancing in my bedroom like
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: she's a phenomenal dancer. But yet she feels this the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: pressure to fit into the mold of acceptance. Right, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: then she she said, I want to go to NYU
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and be an artist. I want to live in this
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: big city and be an artist. And I cringe because
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: that feels scary to me. So I feel like this
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: need to protect her from that, when really that's holding
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: back her authenticity. Because what you just said about authenticity,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: it is the most regulating thing to the human nervous system.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And I've said it it's a million times and I'll
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: say it again. Being your authentic self is where you
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: are most regulated and where you feel most safe if
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you are around people that accept that authenticity, right, because
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: there's also this social barometer that is so important for
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: your self esteem. Like we can't take everybody else out
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: of the equation either and pretend like you live in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: a vacuum where social comparison and human judgment don't play
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: a role, right, And so that balance, Like I just
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm amazed right now of like I'm seeing the flaws
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and my parenting in real life.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Guys, I knew.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: We gotta walk that back because I gotta there's so
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: much to unpack.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: There because unpackaged.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: So here's what, here's what I want to kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: go back to say, as the foundation of everything, everything,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about today is we are all
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: walking each other home. We are all reflecting the vastness
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: of our being. Every single person you have in your
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: life is mirroring to you more of who you are
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: and what you're striving to unlock, and really starts with
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: just giving yourself the permission to unlock it. There's some
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: part of us that doesn't feel safe if we give
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: ourselves that permission, because we've attached something to whatever we've
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: defined as unsafe. So, for instance, you've grown up in
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: a household where the language was we're uh.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Fear, fear, catastrophizing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Everything, right, And I can, I can so relate to
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: that because that is that's the language of my mother,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you know. So it's she doesn't know how to connect.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: That's how she connects with people.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: My mom too. And so even my husband said, as
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: soon as you get with mot your mom, you just
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: start pitching right about something because because that's how you
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: feel safe, right, And that's how you connect with your mother,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: because that's ultimately what you want, is that love and connection.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And so you're going to adapt to her needs because
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: that's what our inner child is doing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know that it's right and it's but
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: because of all of my unhealed bears.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Sure, but again you're you're filtering that through a lens
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: of negativity because we live in a dualistic world, which
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: we live in a far more colorful world than just
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: black and white. However, of cognition, when you see that
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: one is present, it automatically means the other is present.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: So when we say, oh, it's this negative aspect, but
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: look at what it's created an artist.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my daughter is so talented.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: But that's an aspect of you to show you you
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: have created an extension of yourself. To look at the
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: totality of yourself and go, okay, so I don't give
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: myself permission to be an artist right now in this
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: in my mind space, but you created one.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And we're creating art right now.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: To show yourself how capable you are of that is
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: that is, that is there. She is there as a
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: gift for that, and she got there because of the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: restrictions that were placed on her, that were created by you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And so when we talk about creativity, and some of
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: the most incredible things happen when we are in restriction. Right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Sometimes when you have an unlimited budget, creativity suffers if
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: you have six ninety five and a shoe string, so
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: you're gonna figure something out.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That makes me think of like Apollo thirteen when
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: they had to rescue Apollo thirteen and they were like,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: here's what's on, here's what they have available, and they
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: dumped it on a table and they were like, oh
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: my god, how are we supposed to like land the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: spaceship with just these items? And they freaking figured it out.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I do because we are built that way, creative.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: We are human beings.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: This is what's so fun about being a human being
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: is that we are adaptable, We are creative, and we
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: thrive under a restrictive and oppressive thing. Things get born
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: out of oppression all the time. Now I'm not, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: advocating a pressure.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: My whole entire life and existence and brand came out
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: of oppression. Are a tra beauty.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Everything gets created out of this because it's the pressure cooker.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: It's what creates a diamond.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Pressure Over time, we get sand on a beach because
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: water continuously flows in a pattern, and these things birth
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and create. And this is from our sacral This is
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: where this is magic. This is the essence of what
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: we're doing in reality is creating and art and improv
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and theater to me was an extension of that. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: now that I'm older, I look back on it and
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: it was my soul was pulling me towards ultimately realizing
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: this about us and unlocking the magic and giving myself
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the permission to do that in a place that felt safe,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: because a lot of what's happened to us when we're children.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Whether you think you've had a trumpmatic childhood or not,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: you have absolutely have because you're adapting to the needs
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: of other people, Yes, and you don't have the tools
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: with the language to understand that that's what's going on.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: So you're creating patterns and ultimately you are conditioning yourself
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: to create belief systems to keep yourself safe. And being
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: an artist is challenging that, getting curious about that and
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: playing with that and knowing that you're ultimately, Like what
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I write about my book is you're safer than you
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: realize here and we've just taken an idea of what
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: safety is and we latch onto it for dear life.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: We cling. And so when you talk about healing, a
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: lot of that is allowing the grip to release and
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: allowing ourselves to breathe in and to breathe out, to
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: wax in, to wax out, Like you know, it's the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: pattern of nature itself, which the tide will come in,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: the tide will go out. And this is the most
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: beautiful thing of just what we're doing here as just
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: being and there's no wrong way, there's no right way,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: and we're all giving each other permission to explore that
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: and to go deep into that and help each other
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: walk each other home, which is to the ultimate realization
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: that you are far more complex and powerful and you
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: have complete agency in your life to shift the perspective
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of how you're experiencing your reality at every moment. So
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: like anytime you get caught into those negative loops, remember
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: that the opposite is true. So like where you see
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: something negative, there's something beautiful hiding there. You're just not
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: allowing yourself to see it, or you're focusing on this
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: thing because you've conditioned yourself to right and that's all
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: it is. It's just a pattern, and you've learned your
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: parents' patterns. And so this is when we talk about
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: generational healing, it's it's really looking at these programs and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: patterns and getting curious and questioning them and going, is
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: this actually how what I want to experience life? And
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: that's actually such a.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Huge part of what I teach. Yeah, that's so different.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: All A huge part of it my program is that
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: perspective shift and that reframe and that mindset of knowing
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that you have this lens that has been deeply shaped
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: by your experience, but reality is so much bigger than
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: your lens.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely right, And don't live at yourself like and
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: just like have fun with.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: It, and if you step outside of that lens, what
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: you discover about your reality might be so different than
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: what you saw you thought it was when you were
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: in the parameters of just that lens, which comes from
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: your past, which comes from the things that you have
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: experienced previously. And so wow, that is so interesting because
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I honestly went into this podcast thinking I'm not gonna
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: have anything to say because she's so creative and I
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: am so not creative.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And then I knew, Guys, I just want you to know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I knew. I knew that well, I mean, how could
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I love you both so deeply? You know?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Awesome?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I mean other than how awesome you both are I mean,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: there are so many reasons why I'm drawn to both
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of you in the ways that I am, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and how and why our friendships are so deep as
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: deeply connected as they are. You know, I feel deeply
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: connected to you. I feel deeply connected to you, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know there's a reason for it. Now, if you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: looked at you guys on the surface in terms of
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: of your healing journeys, or even how you approach healing
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to maybe speaking of a very limited lens or a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: scope of one person looking at it, they may think, oh, wow,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that's night and day. You know, even Rachel. I was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: talking to Rachel on the way here, and my sister
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: she was like, oh my gosh, Lauren, and sayha can
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: be more different?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: And I was like, and I could not disagree with that,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: but like I disagree with that so hard.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get you get these moments like this,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and then you really you you take away all the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: things that maybe you previously thought, and you discover, wow,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: we're all very similar.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's similar. We are both captivated by
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the human experience. Yeah, and we're curious about it, yes,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: very curious about it. We allow ourselves to go to
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the depths right to really go.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: And that's an artist, my friend. You are an artist.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: And I think we have to kind of remove these
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: things that we think that this is the number one
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: thing that I get when people, when I coach people
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: or when they come to me and they're like, well,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I'm just not an artist, like I don't draw, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: don't say, and I'm like, well, that's a very limiting
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: idea of creativity.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: First of all, you've already limited yourself.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: So like, let's blow past all of that. You get
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: to define what creativity is to you. You get to
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: define what.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Art is to you.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: That's the cool part about art.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: You know, it's subjective and it's it's you just have
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: to have the audacity. You just have to have the
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: audacity to be like, this is something that I like
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: and that's enough, and I find it interesting, and you
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: know what I'm going to be So I'm going to
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: be so safe in my own knowing of myself, my body,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: of my experience that it will find its audience right
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: someone out there. It will speak to them, even if
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: it's just one person.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: That guy with that made the Skittles bag, because it
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: was like a giant skittles back, you know, like a
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: party size bag and it was like crumpled up. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: then it was like I don't know what they sprayed
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: on it to make it like hard, but it was
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: like it had hair, you know, like you spread hair
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: spray on it or something. And I was like, maybe
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he just tastes the rainbow and he was just on
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that high and like, you know how much joy.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And maybe he's like this is a commentary on consumerism,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: because this is what it's meant to do, is it's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: elicited a conversation.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: We stood there and we were like, what was the
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: meaning behind this? Like what what? And it was like
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: four grand And I was like, but I could make
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: if I want, I could have done that, Like I
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: could replicate that, but it wouldn't be the same, it
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have the same meaning. Like whatever this person was
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: feeling when they did that clearly like it came from something,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: you know what, Like the value of something is what
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you perceive it to be, right, It's all about perception.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Perception is everything.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's control how you perceive things, and that is an
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: enormous amount of power you have in the world to
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: create and to experience and so like, even if it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: just playful, like even if you he or she the
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: artist created that to just fuck with us, right, can
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I say that?
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we put the eye that's just like the
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: fun of it. Because the deeper I go into my journey,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: and the deeper I go into myself, and the deeper
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I explore, the more humor that I find. And in
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the cosmic joke of like it, maybe they're just you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: it's just they're just mess. It's not that serious, it's
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: not that serious, and yet it is. And that's the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: paradox of what we get to understand and balance. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: that's really cool and really exciting. And so when we
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: talk about reframing things or when we're in a state
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: of fear or whatever, I try to always teach people
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: to look at something and go, how exciting, Oh my gosh,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: my mom just done?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: How exciting?
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: What does that mean for you? Like yeah, and that's
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: an extreme example, but my relationships falling apart, how exciting?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: How exciting? Because now you get to go to another
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: level of the game. Now you get to explore a
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: different level of yourself, explore a different on a level.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: This is an opportunity.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: See I see that in couples because I'm on the
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: other side of the journey, right I'm on the other
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: side of experiencing extreme tragedy and trauma and rebuilding myself
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: and finding the love of my life and knowing that
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: even if I knew it was going to play out
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: exactly the same, I would go in ahead and I
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: would do it, and I would feel it and I would.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Live it because this is the fertile ground.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Because it created this exactly and I every single day
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: of my life, I say thank you God for all
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: of these blessings. I don't know why you have blessed
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: me in this capacity. I literally have the perfect life.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I have the body I want. I have the husband
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I want. I have the kids that I want. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: have the house that I want, I have the money
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I want. I have the faith that I want I've
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: always wanted.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I have it all.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: And so I'm looking at God and I'm.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Like why and I don't, and God goes, why not? Honestly,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, because that's the playful part of life is
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Like they look at it, they try to describe meaning
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: like why I.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Had to be open to it though, because before it
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: was like, it will never happen for me. I am
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: so broken. I am so that I have all of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: these things that have happened to me. I'll never get
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: over this pain. I've been so abused, poor me. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: was in the total victim mindset and I couldn't see
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: beyond all of my pain and all of my tragedy.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And when I finally said, you know what, fuck it like?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: There is literally a fuck it moment. It was like
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: a fuck and I was, you know, I just decided
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: to have faith one day. It was like it just clicked.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I just decided that I didn't want to be that anymore.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know how I was going to get there.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And that's what it looked like that I just decided, aside,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: it was enough, and you take one step.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Towards that distress, right, And I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: God had a huge part of it. I mean God
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: spoke to me on a level I had never heard before.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't even have a real relationship with God. It
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: was a fake relationship with God. It was like a
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: for show relationship with God. And then I had a
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: real relationship with God. But God is who said? But
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: who said? This is who you have to be. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: didn't say that I made you to be anything you
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: want to be. That feel you know that you know
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that it that will serve the greater good, right, And
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: and just knowing that I could serve the greater good
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: and put something out there and create like this beautiful
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: thing from this awful thing, like it clicked your trust yourself.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And so when I when I have clients that come
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: to me and they're like, I'm gonna be I don't
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: know if I can get divorced, and they're in this
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: horrendous relationship, and I'm just like, but you don't know
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: how much power you have to create something so much
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: better than this.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: You're just afraid.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Well, it's you know, they're zoomed in, yeah, and they're
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: not zoomed out, because when you zoom out, you can
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: see the larger thing happening, right, But when you're zoomed
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: in and you're in it, you this is this is
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: life or death, right. You're you're in your root chakra,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: You're you're in survival mode, and so everything you've all
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the identities and structures, you're clinging to this understanding of
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: what you think life should be and if you just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: open up, you allow things to come and like you
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: allow abundance in right because right here you can't money
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: can't flow to you, love can't flow to you. Nothing
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: can flow to you. You have to relax into it
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: and believe allow us everything. That's the number one thing
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: in my book. So at the beginning of my book,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: I said that here's the rules of the game, and
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: the first rules there are no rules, but everything is allowed.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Everything is allowed. It is a radical way to shift.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: You just need to hook you up with my book. Agents. Yeah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you need to write a second because it's like you
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: have to allow yourself and other people to be who
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: they are because a lot of where we're coming in
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: is from resistance.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: We're in resistance to the things. We're in resistance to
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: the change. We're in resistance to the person being whoever
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: they are. We're in resistance to whatever is happening because
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: we think that's going to keep us safe. And that's
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: what's happened is in a childhood is we build a
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: little bubble or walls around us because that does keep
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: us safe. But you outgrow those as you age and
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: it can shed it. You shed it right, and you
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: need to like let those walls down. But it really
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: is when you think about it from an energetic wo
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: woo standpoint, which is also quantum physics. And this has
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: been it's only going to be more proven as we
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: continue with quantum computing, and I will feel very vindicated
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: for Honestly, I'm just like, yeah, time, I will be vindicated.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter because I'm not identified with uh, the
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: idea that I have to be perceived a certain way
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: or I don't cling to it or I don't. That's
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: deep work that I've done with myself, which is just
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: like I'm going to allow you to think.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Whatever you want.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: People are going to create a reality or an identity
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: around you anyway, like your sister being like they're so different,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: that's because your sister sees me a certain way and
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I will never and whatever I do in life, she
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: will only because that's what she's decided, and she's kind
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: of locked me in at a time frame in my
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: life where I couldn't be more different, right, And so
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: now I've lost.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: From a place of love allowing Yeah, I want.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: To bring this full circle because something I want to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: pull into this that I think will be valuable for
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: our listeners and specifically for people who are searching for healing,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: is really how the couple can heal through play. And
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I mean, and there's books
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: on it, you know, but ways to implement play within
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: your romantic relationships I think is really really important because
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, speaking on and y'all can speak more on this,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: but speaking on bringing the inner child into your romantic relationships,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I think is a big piece. And so Lauren, first,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I just want to hear from you in terms of
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: your experience, you know, within your own relationships and what
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you've experienced in life. You could go all day, yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: but you know, how would you what would you say
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to our listeners in terms of real, concrete ways they
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: can implement just basic play into their everyday life.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I talk about this in my book, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I don't specifically talk about relationships playful relationships in the
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: book because I focus on you because you have to
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: have that foundation before you can really get it. And
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: this is this is where Sarah and I like it
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: overlapd the Ven diagram right overlaps because it's the same
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: thing you have. It's all about learning, giving yourself the
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: foundation and learning who you are before opening yourself up
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: into that way to other people, because inevitably we get
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: into these relationships and then all that comes to service.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Wow, the thing, there's a couple of things that I
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: talk about in the book, which are exercises. It is
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: vitally important for you to be spending time with your
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: inner child, to be sitting and visualizing, having conversations, having dialogue,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: because inevitably something somatic's gonna happen, You're gonna get triggered.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: And the first thing I do is I allow I
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: say thank you to whatever happened that's triggered me deeply.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: And I mean that even if I don't in that moment,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I know I'll get there. So I say thank you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I give myself the space to process whatever's going on,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: and instead of intellectualizing it, I sit in my body
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: and I go, where is this in my body? What's
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: the story that's coming up? And sometimes I have a
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: full on conversation with the little girl inside me. I
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: allow myself to whatever age comes up, and then I go,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I get curious about that, and I go, okay, interesting,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: so eight year old me is coming up right now? Okay,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: let's talk to her, what's going on with her? What's
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: the story that's coming up with her? Where is this
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: in her? In my body? What does she think about this?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Because she's created some sort of story here.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Or you've.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: You've absorbed it from your surroundings, and now you think
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: that story is what's happening and it's the truth. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: And it's like there's actually an expanded truth going on
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: right now, and you are bringing an old pattern of
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: behavior into the moment. And the gift is is that
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: this has been activated in your body for you to
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: explore that playfully. I allow that to you know, I
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: go into that. I feel whatever I feel. I allow
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: all those emotions to come up. I allow myself to
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: be weird and silly if I need to move or
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: be or whatever. Orry sometimes, Yeah, Like the first time
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: I ever connected with my owner child, I sat down
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: on a bench with her and she was four years old,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: and I said, what do you want to say to me?
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: And I swear to God, this is what I saw
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: in my mind. I saw a little four year old
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: chubby Lauren in this dress that I had that was
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: almost very similar to this, And she stood up on
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: the bench and she put her fist down like this
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: and she goes and I didn't know what to do
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: with that. Yeah, but I was so taken aback because
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: she wanted to be liberated. She wanted to be free,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: she wanted to be wild, and that's what I took
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: in that moment. She wanted to howl, she wanted to
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: just be maybe an animal. I don't know. It was
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: her communicating to me without words.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I think she wanted I want. I think she wanted
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to be loud, she.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Wanted to be Yeah, she wanted to be free.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I can remember so the very first inner child experience
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I had, which I was I was doing.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: An actual practice through this course I.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Was taking, and it was, you know, I met myself
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and it can be any version of your inner child,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: of course in this field, you know, this field, this
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: beautiful field of flowers, and so you're meeting you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: younger self in current form and giving that younger self
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: whatever they make, whatever was lacking at that time.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And I remember I had.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Never experience like there were totally new sensations that I
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: had never experienced before.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I'm talking like violent cries, because it was me meeting like.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Three year old Reina who was just so precious and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful and like in this vision, she's like running into
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: my arms. Oh I still it still makes me emotional,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, and and again, it's such a beautiful
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: experience because.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: It it teaches you what you what you yearned for.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: You know that at that time. But the beauty of
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: it is is that you know that you can give
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: it to yourself now.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: And that's everything. Yeah, And that's the relationship to cultivate,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, before anything else.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: See, this is interesting because I felt like in her
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: child work didn't help me very much and it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: not something that I could really connect to because I
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: don't have a lot of memories from my childhood, and
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: people who have had certain types of childhoods or certain
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: things happened to them, a lot of times their hippo
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: campus does degrade, and especially if they've had trauma later
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: in life, it wipes out like memories. And so I
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: would try to connect with my inner child, but I
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: don't remember a lot about her.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Vision was completely made up. Well, yeah, vision didn't really happen.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: It didn't feel authentic to me. It didn't feel great
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: to me. But it does help a lot of people.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm open to who it does help. But for
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: people who come to me and they're like, well, I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: don't remember my childhood, so it doesn't feel like I
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: can connect because I don't remember.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's a But to me, like, that's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: telling that's telling you something, right, that's telling you to
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: pushed past it in some ways, Well.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I'm going to stop you there because I don't know
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: if it's to push past it, yeah, help, But I
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: would reframe it by saying how exciting. Yeah, yeah, how exciting? Right,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: you get a blank paper to write what.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I've told people to do to sort of get around them,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: And the somatic work that I do is to just
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: sit with your body and let your body tell you, yes,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: what it is you need. If you can't think about
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: what little eight year old needed right what is it?
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: What is the feeling telling you about what you need
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Where is it?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: And where is it in your body?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it don't make yourself so bad if you
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: can't like. And so I've had a lot of people
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: be like Inner child Work changed my life, and then
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I've had people being like it didn't do anything for me.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And as one of those people who were like really
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: tried it and didn't find a lot of relief from it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I think it was because I had so much trauma
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: in my marriage that was so severe, you know, physical abuse,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: sexual abuse, just the gamut that, like my hippocampus has shrunk.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: So like, I look at pictures of myself and my
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: childhood and I'm trying to remember things, and I just
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: can't grab a hold of a lot because I think
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I had way more trauma. I mean, my childhood wasn't perfect,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: but it was good and and I wouldn't consider it
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: ridiculously traumatic. But my marriage was very, very traumatic, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: so I know that maybe maybe I couldn't break past
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: a certain point, maybe I couldn't push past a certain
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: point to be able to get the full benefit of it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: So I don't discount it for people and say like, oh, no,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: that doesn't work, don't do that. I'm just like, I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: know what you mean when you come to me and
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: you say you don't remember a lot and that it
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel like you can connect. So instead, let's just
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: connect to the present and what it is now. Because
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: your subconscious remembers even though your conscious doesn't remember, So
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that's sort of the bypass, at least for me.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I also like, let's blow open what inner child is.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: It's not just sitting in your mind's eye and talking
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: to younger folations. Right, we can take this to be
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: let's cultivate imagination and let's cultivate play. So like something,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: I brought you guys these today, So I have my
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: sparkle freckles because for me this is makes me feel
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: fun and light and playful, and it makes me think
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: of like playing in makeup, and that's always something that's
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: always been very fun for me. And so for me,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: this is like a small way of like being playful,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: like and coming on here and being playful when I
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: brought you guys like I have like little jewels and stuff,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: and that's just one door we could open, right, And
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: like a way of doing inner child work is allowing ourselves,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: as serious adults on a very serious podcast, to talk
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: and just play. Yeah, And like by play, I mean
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: allowing yourself to just explore and create and do and
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: be silly and do whatever you want. And maybe it's
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: challenging yourself to think about was there anything? Is there something?
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Is there a toy that I'm drawn to, like going
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: into a toy store and being like.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, well the bear was build a bear was always
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: something I wanted, Like I would have never gotten to
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: experience build a bear as a child, right because we
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: like one, it didn't exist too. My mom would have
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: been like absolutely, not that silly, I'm not paying for that,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like no, And so I kept expressing, you know, to Josh,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: like I want to build a bear.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I want to build a bear.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And it really was my inner child speaking like I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and you know, he planned this beautiful date one day
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: and took me to build a bear, and it was
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: just this, I'm just and I'm sharing this experience because
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: this is another way, right to explore your inner child
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and just be really playful and fun and not feel
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: like it's silly, right, like it's an easy thing to be.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Like I've even brought the build a bear on set
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: before and have had her sit with me. Her name is,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: her name is Sherbert and so, and she's a rainbow
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: and she's beautiful and because it just it brings me comfort,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: right when that, of course, the day itself brought me
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a ton of comfort. But even now when that stuffed
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: animals around me, like I'm like, I have no shame
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: in admitting that I'm.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Forty two years old and I love stuffed animals.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't even have to be something childles right, Like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: it can be anything. It's you want to pay attention
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: to what makes you excited, where your energy expands, that
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: you get a lot of energy that like builds you up.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Because anything that's like creating energy in your body is
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: absolutely where you should the direction you should be going into,
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: because there's something there and that can unlock and allow
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: yourself to kind of move and go and get curious
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: and follow wherever it takes you. And it's little things
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: like that that are me connecting with parts of myself
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: that are like I like bringing this into my life
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: and this is tactile and this is interesting and so
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: like an exercise I have in my book is like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: what were games you played as a child? Well, maybe
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: I don't remember the games I played a child?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well what do you like?
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Now? What kind of movies do you like? Like you
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: are the Nancy Drew of your life, Like you're getting
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: in there and you're figuring out these things and that
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: is so fun. It's like when you start dating a person,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, what do you like, what are you
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: into do that with yourself? And this is going to
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: unlock things and it's gonna you're gonna start to remember
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: or you're going to start to create something even better
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: that maybe you didn't have much.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I really really, really, really really want to create a
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: trauma informed beauty line. Love that because and this is like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: but it feels so scary because I'm so not creative right,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Like so I'm just like I feel almost frozen with it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: But you got to stop saying that now, I know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: because it's a decision. You said something earlier that I
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: could not agree with more.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I know it is a choice.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: It is a decision, and I know that. Yeah. Here,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: it's like I know that. But then you know those
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: old pathways light up that are like, no, you can't,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: you don't have time. What if you lose money? That's
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: too risky, right, And I'm just like, okay, spirit of fear,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: like walk yourself out the door, because there are so
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: many crazy things that happen to your body when you
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: have been traumatized that all the healing in the world,
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: emotional healing in the world, don't necessarily fix. Like you
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: need a little bit of support. Right, your body needs
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: certain things to thrive again, and you have to know
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: what to be able to give it for it to
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: thrive again, like one of the And this is a
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: silly example maybe, but I think for me it feels big.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Is like when you have had emotional trauma, your skin
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: barrier breaks down, and so you get things like perioral dermatitis,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: which is something I've battled off and on, so has Reina.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: You know, your skin just does weird and wonky things,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: and your skin needs to be nourished and healed and
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: loved for what it's been through, like it went through war,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: and like the way it's reacting isn't.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: And it's our largest organ.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: It's our largest organ. And so I want to create
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: something that is in everything I try. I'm like, shoot
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: that has nice cinemide in it or whatever, And that's
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: not what my skin needs right now. My skin needs
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: something clean, something organic, like it needs nature. It needs
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: these is really so yes, even is an acid right? Nature? Honestly,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't personally know of any beauty that
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: is trauma informed basically knows what happens to you at
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: a cellular level, for your with your skin with your scalp,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: with you know, your nails, with all of these things,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: and how to recover from that, and I keep picking
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: and choosing little bits of things. It's like, I have
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: to have a dab of this because if I used
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: too much then it's then my skin will go crazy
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: because I'm in you know, I've talked about like the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: last year of my life was honestly one of the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: most traumatic years because of somebody who decided to try
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: to break up my marriage and try to ruin my life.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: And she didn't succeed, but it took such a psychological
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: toll on me. Even with all of these resources I
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: had to cope, my skin was still like, Nope, you're
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: right back in that abusive marriage. Like my my body
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: was like because you know, trauma lives in the body, right,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: so it was like, yeah, you're right back here, about
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: to get your ass kicked by this two hundred and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: sixty pound man. Like that's what it felt like. And
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: so my skin is in trauma rebound, which is really
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: really common, which is an over activation of the immune system,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: you know, once you feel safe again, And so I'm
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: like trying to find something for my skin and nothing
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: breaking works because I'm like, I know what actually my
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: skin needs. I've done enough research to know the ingredients
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: that it needs. And I'm going to be like in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: my homemade lab right with like my stuff.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: See, and this is your opportunity, I think to be creative.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I don't have to be playful. Like that's really playful.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: Like you know, I make my own beauty products for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: myself and like I love it. It's very you know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: I'm in that kitchen and I feel like it's like
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: little potions I'm and I'm creating and it's very freeing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: from me. We should collab and like I mean, look,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I'll say, the best thing that you could ever do
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: for yourself in all, in every situation, from internal to external,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: from your skin to everything, is cheegong. Chigong will change
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: your life. It will change your energy. You will glow
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: from the inside out. It will heal a lot of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: things because it's your life force energy. And when you
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: focus on that, you are starting to create internal shifts
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: and quantum shifts from the inside out. And you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot on like body movement.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: What's cultivation of life force energy?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Cheat And you don't have to break that down.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: So what that actually looks like in like tangible form, Like,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of I mean, I've watched people do it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of like.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: Body movement, right, but we're looking at it from the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: outside of your like looking at it as movement. It's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: internal shifts. It's you're focusing on the internal and you're
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: shifting expressing through body movement through poses that unlock certain
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: energy lines in the body that allow flow. Because when
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: we're coming back to trauma, this is a restriction of flow.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: You have.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Traumatized, right, Like your body goes with your fashion.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I remember your fashion.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: So it's allowing things to move to flow, and again
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: it goes back to allowing it goes back into flow.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: It's opening up these pathways that because your body is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: trying to protect you, of course it is, and so
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: it's just allowing the body to relax and to move
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: into that. And that's how you're reconditioning the body.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: You know, you have three you have three planes to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: really focus on. You have your physical, your mental, and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: your emotional. And when you talk about self mastery and chiegong,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: this is all of those things and all of them
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: are holistically connected. They all feed into each other and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: so we don't just necessarily want to When we're talking
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: about healing, healing isn't getting rid of our pain. It's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: it's changing a pattern.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the pain could.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Be there and that's okay, but like, let's allow that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: pain and know that we're stronger than that and we
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: don't attack, like attached to it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: You just said it, allowing it, allowing, right, allow it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: to be there.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: We're not going to control.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: We're gonna People.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Are so motivated to avoid pain, and what they don't
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: realize we'll do everything is the healing is in the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: facing it head freaking on and just allowing it to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: move through you and then it moves out of ease, right,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: and so it's and that is exactly what I teach.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how are we so similar?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: You know, it's at the end of the day, because
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's it comes down to two things, which
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: is energy flows out, energy flows in. Uh, we're constantly
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: in that pattern. So we have to remember when we're
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: doing when we're working on our you know, somatic healing,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: mental healing, emotional healing, surrender is the best thing you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: know when people get into car accident judgment and they
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: come out unscathed because they were relaxed or they were drunk,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: because they were relaxed, their body was relaxed. They're not
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: in a state of tension.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: This is the pattern that you're It's constantly happening. It's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: constantly happening in your relationships because the pattern that's being
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: created is I'm afraid, I'm gonna hold on, don't do this,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: don't behave this way, don't all these ways that our
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: mind creates. But in essence, it's this and this is
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: this and this and that's our heart, isn't it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Can I pay you to have like coffee sessions with
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: my daughter because I think she would relate to you
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: so well, and she sees so much more of just
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: like this mom lecture, analytical, protective side mama. But she
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: needs like a like a mentor that like is just
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: so like it's what I teach, but in her language,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: right yeah, right, it's what I teach other people, but
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: it's in the language that I think would resonate with
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: her and from someone that's not her mother, right, And.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: That's the big thing, right, because it's like it's you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: you're too close.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we really wanted to talk about like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: play and improv, but I think we ended up coming
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: back to what we usually do, which is like, well,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: I feeling through through play and humor and allowing and.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I mean energy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I have personally loved how this conversation has gone. I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: think it's been insightful, it's been a light over. Well,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: we have we we do have to wrap up going
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: we've been going for and and our day.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I know our producer does. We'll just have to have
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: you on again. Our producer does have to leave shortly.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: He has a life too.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: But so first, the most important thing where can people
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: find Yeah? Where can people find you?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: I have a stand store where I offer coaching, my
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: book I even do we'll do Chegong classes with people,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: and that is artists phase, my wellness brand.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: We can put it in the show notes.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you can go visit my stand store
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: and and your book is there. And yeah, I have
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: like this new thing that I've put on my artist fae,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: which is asked me a question. Yeah, and like I'll
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: send you a video and we'll just talk about like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: one thing if you want to just do that it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: can be anything.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you were a fantastic stick.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Guests, as I knew you would be, And so please
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: go check her out at artists Fay, which is like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: your what do you?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: What do you?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: That's like your.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: It's like mynome to plume, So it's my it's what
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: I go up by. Artist Fay is a deeply personal metaphor,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: which is like artists is from the Latin. It comes
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: from the MGM logo that I was always obsessed with,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: which is artis gratia artists, and it means art for
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: art's sake, and Fay is to nature and play and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: all of these things, Like fay comes from the fay
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: folk or fairy folk, and it really is about my
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: connection with the earth and nature and bringing that all together,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: and that kind of encompasses my whole.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Gifts that I want I offered to your world.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you both have so many gifts to give
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and I am just so eternally grateful that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: You two are my best friends.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know this isn't about me, but I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: feel like people are gonna walk away from listening to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: this podcast and be like, damn right, it is so
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: awesome just around herself by these two people. But so
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it tells y'all a little bit
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: about me too, and hopefully you learned.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: I think they. I think this was beautiful because I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: think people really saw a beautiful, vulnerable side of you today.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I'd love that, and I love that
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: for our listeners and.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Because I'm a really complex person you can be.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think you're misunderstood by
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: a lot and so when but.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Who's a lot who misunderstanding?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: People who don't matter, people who don't matter, honestly, people
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: who don't matter. But I think a lot of times
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: you're you're following and you're you're what you offer is
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: really really valuable, but it's also restrict and so this
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: really opened some of those new windows, really and where
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: the direction we want to go with really creating you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: as a brand as a whole and really letting your
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: followers into this softer, more vulnerable, more real life just
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Sarah right that we all know just made.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: A video again trying not to feel defeated, right because
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I talked I made a TikTok about this yesterday I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: was on Bethany Frankel's podcast just be you want to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: talk about an authentic human, she could see a zero fox. Yeah,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: And it's so cool that she's magnetics. It is, it's
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: so magnetic, Like her personality is so magnetic because she's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: just like I am who I am, I want what
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I want, and I don't really give a shit what
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: you think about it. And so here I am going
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: to just be the fullest extent of myself and nobody's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: going to tell me how to do my life. And
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: there's something so amazingly cool about that. And I feel
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: like on TikTok, which is my big platform, is where
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: I started everything. The algorithm has boxed you in so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: much like the changes to the algorithm has has put
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: such a box on you that maybe I need to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: learn Instagram a little bit more. And then that's my
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: goal is to is to get more friendly with Instagram,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: because basically Rain runs my Instagram because I was just
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: I was one year away of the generation that like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: knows Instagram, right, Like, I grew up on the face
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  Speaker 3: on the Book of Faces, and then hopped onto TikTok,
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  Speaker 3: which I think a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: And you got in on that window where you know
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  Speaker 1: TikTok just kind of expanded and blew up and blew up,
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  Speaker 1: and you had a niche and how it's like you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of boxed.
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  Speaker 3: Into it and you're so much more. I'm so much
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  Speaker 3: more again, I am a human being too at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day. And I'm more than relationship advice.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I am life advice. I am messy, i am complex,
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  Speaker 3: I make mistakes. I am a parent. I'm a lifelong learner,
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  Speaker 3: which is something I pride myself in. Is like I
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  Speaker 3: always want to be a lifelong learner. I want to
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  Speaker 3: open myself up to so much more. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to be just like here's what I know and here's
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  Speaker 3: the right way like today, like I know you come
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  Speaker 3: from more of a like a just more holistic spiritual
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  Speaker 3: perspective and I am like major team Jesus. Right, But
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have to clash, right, it can join forces
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  Speaker 3: and be this beautiful like because like I'm not restricted.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not restricted to block myself off from anybody who
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  Speaker 3: is maybe like talks about chakras or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not being like no, I can't be a part
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  Speaker 3: of that. Like no, I'm like teaching me more teaching
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  Speaker 3: me something I don't know, because at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, I believe that the laws of the universe
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  Speaker 3: are also God's laws, So it doesn't conflict for me.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't conflict for me at all. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to be boxed in.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And people do? People do? I mean even some
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: of our reviews are like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, can you girls stop talking about Jesus first of all? No,
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  Speaker 3: I think all this souls so other things as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right, this shows that we are open to expansion on
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  Speaker 1: all levels. And because that's ultimately what we want for
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  Speaker 1: our listeners, Like that is the mission.
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  Speaker 2: The mission.
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  Speaker 1: The mission is to rekeep growing, right, keep growing, reach
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  Speaker 1: higher level right, reaching higher levels of consciousness, like that
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  Speaker 1: and every one of you. And I think that collectively
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  Speaker 1: here you can get everything you want. Between these three
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  Speaker 2: Time, you can learn.
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  Speaker 3: You need to bring a dude in though, yeah, yeah, we.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Need we need a guy who knows, like we'll see,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see. But anyway, so please go check out Lauren
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