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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline.
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  Speaker 3: In a moment in.
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  Speaker 2: An exclusive interview with a new Victorian Liberal leader, Jess
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  Speaker 2: Wilson here on the desk with a new poll out
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  Speaker 2: today showing the Liberals were in front the former opposition
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  Speaker 2: leader Brad Batten comfortably.
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  Speaker 3: Ahead of the premier.
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  Speaker 2: Just sent to Alan, So why did he have to
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  Speaker 2: go and what will she do differently? State election in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: of course, less than twelve months away. Fresh from a
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  Speaker 2: change of heart net zero, the Federal Coalition now says
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  Speaker 2: they want to tackle Australia's record high immigration rates.
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  Speaker 3: If they do that, just how serious are they? Last?
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  Speaker 2: With labor persisting with the net zero madness and Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen drinking in the kool aid at the UN's cop meeting.
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  Speaker 2: This week I'll cross to Argentina where just the opposite's happening.
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  Speaker 2: A government they're cutting green tape and freeing up investment.
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  Speaker 2: What a concept and a fiery question time in Victoria today,
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  Speaker 2: the first for Jess Wilson as opposition leader and a
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  Speaker 2: taste of what she's up against with Labor, who are
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  Speaker 2: a formidable political machine in this state.
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  Speaker 4: Between now and the end of question time, the Labor
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  Speaker 4: government's debt will have increased by two million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Premier, Is this debt increased sustainable?
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  Speaker 6: Q Speaker and I thank the latest leader of the
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  Speaker 6: Liberal Party for her question today.
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  Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because you've got to hand
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  Speaker 2: it to the Victorian Liberals. They sent they know how
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  Speaker 2: to make themselves the issue, even in a state that's
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  Speaker 2: been run into the ground by the worst labor government
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  Speaker 2: in the country. The newly anointed leader elected today unopposed
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  Speaker 2: is the former Shadow Treasurer Jess Wilson, put into that
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  Speaker 2: job less than a month ago. Wilson shows plenty of promise,
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  Speaker 2: as my viewers would know given her appearances here on
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  Speaker 2: the show. She's a strong performer, but as impressive as
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  Speaker 2: she is with the law and business background. Wilson has
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  Speaker 2: been in the Parliament less than term and so far
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  Speaker 2: she's most stood out for being the only Liberal to
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  Speaker 2: support the Indigenous voice to the Parliament that you know
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  Speaker 2: Victorian's rejected some fifty four percent to forty six. Her
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  Speaker 2: challenge and that of her fractious and faction. Riven team
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  Speaker 2: will be to unite something they've not been capable of
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  Speaker 2: doing for a decade, and to unite not just around
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  Speaker 2: her as the new leader, but around a clear set
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  Speaker 2: of policies to fix this broken state, the state with
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  Speaker 2: the highest taxes, the highest debt, and the worst crime
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  Speaker 2: in the country. In the twelve months to June, the
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  Speaker 2: crime rate was up thirteen percent, with almost nine thousand
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  Speaker 2: incidents per one hundred thousand people in Victoria. There are
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty home invasions every week, retail theft
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  Speaker 2: up almost thirty percent, vehicle theft up more than forty percent,
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  Speaker 2: and when it comes to youth crime, things are out
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  Speaker 2: of control. Victoria police revealing over the weekend that sixty
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  Speaker 2: percent of home invasions in the state were driven by
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  Speaker 2: a cohort of just over one thousand children. And what's worse,
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  Speaker 2: this group age between ten and seventeen years of age,
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  Speaker 2: were arrested more than seven thousand times in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Year to June.
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  Speaker 2: And it's precisely because Bratton Batten, the former leader now
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  Speaker 2: and former kop had successfully made Victoria's crime crisis such
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  Speaker 2: an issue that prior to today's coup the Libs were in
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  Speaker 2: an election winning position for the first time in many,
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  Speaker 2: many years.
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  Speaker 3: A freshwater poll over the.
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  Speaker 2: Weekend put the coalition in front fifty one forty nine,
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  Speaker 2: with Baton on a net favorability rating of fifteen on
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  Speaker 2: whatpping forty three points ahead of Premieres Interreallen. But the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals didn't need that poll to tell them that Baton
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  Speaker 2: was cutting through. The very fact that Labour's just Inter
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  Speaker 2: Allen was forced to make a series of daily so
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  Speaker 2: called tough on crime announcements last week showed just how
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  Speaker 2: much this issue was showing up in Labour's internal polling
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  Speaker 2: and clearly just how panic they were over Batten.
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  Speaker 3: It even invigorated.
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  Speaker 2: Talk that the Labor Caucus would roll the premire and
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  Speaker 2: install a fresh face on the Labor side before the
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  Speaker 2: election that's now due in twelve months time. Instead, it
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  Speaker 2: was the Liberals that blinked, not Labor, and because they did,
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  Speaker 2: because they were so worry that Labour's announcements had neutralized
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  Speaker 2: crime as an issue. They were worried that Baton, a
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  Speaker 2: one trick pony, would not be able to pivot onto
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  Speaker 2: the other big issues facing the state. Now, I think
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  Speaker 2: that assessment that labor in just one week has neutralized crime.
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  Speaker 2: I think that assessment's a big mistake, because it will
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  Speaker 2: take more than a week of empty announcements to change
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  Speaker 2: the view of people in this state on crime. Fair Enough,
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  Speaker 2: as I've said here often enough, the Victorian Liberals needed
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  Speaker 2: to have more to say on the economy, the state's
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  Speaker 2: crippling dead and issues like infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: But that's as much the.
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  Speaker 2: Fault of Batten's lazy colleagues as much as him. It's
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  Speaker 2: part of the reason the former Shadow Treasurer James Newbery
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  Speaker 2: was dumped last month and replaced with Wilson. For too long,
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberals have had a messiah complex, expecting that
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  Speaker 2: just changing the leader will somehow save them when they
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  Speaker 2: have not done the work to get elected to government.
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  Speaker 3: For too long, They've.
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  Speaker 2: Campaigned only in old style liberal areas. They've not done
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  Speaker 2: enough to reach out to the aspirational working class in migrants.
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  Speaker 2: They have pre selected lackluster, weak candidates. People from the
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  Speaker 2: inside of politics, have struggled to run a professional, well
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  Speaker 2: funded campaigning machine, and for too long they've failed to
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  Speaker 2: learn the lessons of their defeats, instead preferring to blame
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  Speaker 2: anyone and everything, rather than their own lack of effort.
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  Speaker 2: In short, they had become so comfortable in opposition that
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  Speaker 2: they had forgotten what it's like to win an election.
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  Speaker 2: Even after locking Victorians down the longest and hardest of
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  Speaker 2: any other government on the planet, voters in this state
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  Speaker 2: still re elected the COVID despot Daniel Andrews, rather than
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  Speaker 2: put the Liberals in charge. Indeed, it was worse than that,
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  Speaker 2: with then leader Matthew Guy actually going backwards, making the
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  Speaker 2: task at next year's state election that much harder than.
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  Speaker 3: It ought to be.
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  Speaker 2: So more than throwing a new face into the top job, today,
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  Speaker 2: every Victorian Liberal MP must also commit to pulling their
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  Speaker 2: weight in a campaign year, although I'll end up consigning
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  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson to the scrap heap, because if she loses,
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  Speaker 2: today's move will be seen as a massive tactical blunder
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  Speaker 2: and they will have just burnt off the one young
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  Speaker 2: standout talent they had, and then where will they be.
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  Speaker 2: For the people of Victoria's sake, we have to hope
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  Speaker 2: that Jess Wilson succeeds, because Victoria is broken. It is
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  Speaker 2: a joke and it cannot go on like this. But
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  Speaker 2: in the end, it's not the face and the name
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  Speaker 2: of the leader that counts. It's the policies that the
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  Speaker 2: leader will implement to make Victoria a better place to live,
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  Speaker 2: to work and invest, and that's what people will vote on.
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  Speaker 2: So let's see what she comes up with. Perhaps a
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  Speaker 2: public service hiring freeze, ending public service work from home
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  Speaker 2: on demand, a commitment to no new taxes and charges,
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  Speaker 2: lifting the payroll tax threshold, ending the tax on holiday
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  Speaker 2: homes and vacant blocks of land, keeping the commitment to
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  Speaker 2: abolish the fire services levee.
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  Speaker 3: All of this would be a good place to start.
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  Speaker 2: Plus appealing the most recent Indigenous treaty, scrapping so called
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  Speaker 2: truth telling propaganda, fixing the rundown of hospital system and
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  Speaker 2: closing down the ejecting rooms, lifting speed limits, protecting the
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  Speaker 2: rights of regional communities and farmers from labour's rushed renewables
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  Speaker 2: roll out, and fixing bad roads, not to mention unwinding
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  Speaker 2: the madness that made's Victoria a byword for activist woke,
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  Speaker 2: bringing in laws to require protest permits, defending the rights
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  Speaker 2: of biological women, refocusing the school curriculum and excellence, and
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  Speaker 2: wherever possible getting government out of people's lives. I don't
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  Speaker 2: just think Victorians are desperate for change. I absolutely know
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  Speaker 2: they are. They just want a credible opposition that's worthy
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  Speaker 2: of their vote. Now it's too early to tell, but
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  Speaker 2: let's hope they have sorted themselves out finally today. If not,
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  Speaker 2: if they lose the next selection, not only is at
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  Speaker 2: the end of their young talent Jess Wilson, but I
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  Speaker 2: fear the Liberal Party too in this state, the state
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  Speaker 2: of Victoria, where it was founded eighty one years ago.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Canberra for the headlines now.
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  Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Trinny.
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  Speaker 7: Macintosh, Australia's biggest bank tells borrowers not to expect any
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  Speaker 7: interest rate relief for ad least a year.
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  Speaker 8: The cashwit will remain on hold for the forese evil future.
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  Speaker 8: What does that practically mean more likely than not through
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 7: Commonwealth Bank boss Matt Common also downplayed the impact of
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  Speaker 7: Labour's expanded five percent first home owner's deposit scheme on
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  Speaker 7: pushing up prices.
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  Speaker 8: My suspicion would be that it's a very very small
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  Speaker 8: element of the pickup.
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  Speaker 7: A South African man will soon be kicked out of
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  Speaker 7: the country after attending a Neo Nazi rally in Sydney.
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  Speaker 7: Matthew Gruter has been detained by Border Force after his
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  Speaker 7: visa was revoked for attending the rally outside State Parliament
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  Speaker 7: in Sydney.
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  Speaker 9: My expectation is he'll be gone very soon.
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  Speaker 6: There is no room in Australia for clowns like that.
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  Speaker 6: We want to come here and prette go back to
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  Speaker 6: where you came from. Frankly and the.
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  Speaker 7: Prime Minister takes his cabinet on the road to regional
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  Speaker 7: wa so we are.
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  Speaker 4: Regular business here.
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  Speaker 10: This is right, Bernie Hay's business.
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  Speaker 7: He'll fly out later this week for the G twenty
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  Speaker 7: in South Africa. Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Well join him in now. Sky's political editor Andrew Cleannell, Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. I'll come back to the Victorian political issues
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  Speaker 2: with the journalists from the Australia in a moment, but
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  Speaker 2: let's go back to the federal story, continuing talk.
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  Speaker 3: About the leadership of Susan Lee. I was as.
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  Speaker 2: Skeptical as you were about the so called tilt by
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  Speaker 2: moderates to back Andrew Hasty. That was of course briefed
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  Speaker 2: out late on Sunday. Hastey's gone public today saying he
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  Speaker 2: won't be goaded into any premiature leadership tilt and he
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  Speaker 2: would never put his political fortunes, he says, in the
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  Speaker 2: hands of unreliable moderates anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got just one sitting week left.
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  Speaker 2: Is it safe to say that Susan Lee will now
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  Speaker 2: survive into the new year?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think almost certainly, barring some massive gaff or horrific
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  Speaker 1: poll number. I mean, you've always got to give yourself
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  Speaker 1: that little escape. But I mean Andrew Hasty's in hospital
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  Speaker 1: for shoulder surgery tomorrow. He's hardly in a position after that,
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  Speaker 1: I think to run for the leadership. It's not great
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  Speaker 1: timing for him. And he thinks, like others, including Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: who wants the job, that Susan Lee's got to be
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  Speaker 1: given a decent amount of time in the job. Like
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  Speaker 1: they probably could marshal the numbers and just get over
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  Speaker 1: the line, like Susan Lee just got over the line.
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  Speaker 1: What would be more sensible for them is to wait
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  Speaker 1: and see how she goes, and if she continues to
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  Speaker 1: not do so well, you'd see more numbers in the
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: party room go their way to be a more emphatic result,
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  Speaker 1: and amongst the greater populace, they'd see the reason for
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  Speaker 1: it rather than seeing the first female liberal leader chop down.
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  Speaker 1: So I can totally see Andrew Hasty's point of view. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the only one who's put the names to these characters,
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  Speaker 1: but down them to be Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe Andrew Bragg, who's sort of indicated to people that
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  Speaker 1: they consider supporting Hasty. It's by no means all the moderates,
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  Speaker 1: and you wonder what their game is to some extent,
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  Speaker 1: because Andrew Hasty doesn't believe in their vision of net zero?
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  Speaker 1: Do they hope that he gets in there early so
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  Speaker 1: that Tim Wilson or someone can have a crack in
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  Speaker 1: a year's time when things don't work out for Andrew Hasty.
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  Speaker 1: It seems very puzzling that those individuals will be prepared
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  Speaker 1: to move. They deny that at the moment. They give
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  Speaker 1: the sort of statements saying we support the leader. But
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  Speaker 1: they al say that, don't they They also.
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  Speaker 3: They support the letter until they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the new political front or policy front.
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  Speaker 2: The lip was talking about opening up, and I think
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  Speaker 2: not before time. This is about tackling Labour's record high migration.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: There was a red Bridge poll out, so that one
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  Speaker 2: nation's gaining ground on the coalitionion. Of course, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that genesis in the poll comes from the migration debate.
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  Speaker 2: The new Shadow Home Affairs Minister John o'dunnheim address this
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  Speaker 2: issue earlier today.
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  Speaker 6: Our policy will see a reduction in numbers, so we've
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  Speaker 6: got to reverse engineer this. We've got to figure out
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  Speaker 6: where the holes are, both in terms of skill sets
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  Speaker 6: and industries, but also geographically where in the country do
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  Speaker 6: we need to send people to bolster workforce. So we're
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  Speaker 6: not going to go about just randomly picking cohorts. We
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  Speaker 6: are going to go about figuring out what he's in
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  Speaker 6: the best interests of Australia and work it back from there.
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  Speaker 2: They of course had a policy of their last election
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  Speaker 2: blink and you might have missed it. They hardly mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it again.
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  Speaker 1: Well they did.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty tepidly argued by Dan teen who was
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  Speaker 2: the minister at the time. They've got to if they're
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  Speaker 2: going to do this, they've got to be serious and
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  Speaker 2: have fed inco policy. But I think they'd be crazy
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  Speaker 2: if they don't go hard here, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Well, John O Danium, I mean, I think you're a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a fan of his. Each sort of impresses
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  Speaker 1: me as a communicator. I may I gave him a
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  Speaker 1: good workout, as he put it on Sunday agenda on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: I gave him the rounds of the kitchen and he
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  Speaker 1: got out of it all right. And yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because Hasty quit because he said I won't
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  Speaker 1: get a say of a migration policy yet. Dunham took
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  Speaker 1: his place in Home Affairs and he apparently is with
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  Speaker 1: Paul Scarr. I don't think there's any doubt they'll go
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  Speaker 1: in this direction. The key is net migration, So permanent
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  Speaker 1: migration is one thing you can say you can reduce that,
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  Speaker 1: but most of the people are already here. So while
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  Speaker 1: we've got such big numbers really putting the pressure on
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  Speaker 1: infrastructure as net migration, So they need to address that.
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  Speaker 1: And if they have to say where we're getting less
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  Speaker 1: foreign students, then say it. I mean, because the government
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  Speaker 1: will jump all over that you're harming our economy, etc.
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  Speaker 1: But there's got to be a more balanced way to
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  Speaker 1: do it. And everyone knows that if you're letting you know,
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  Speaker 1: three four five hundred thousand people in a year in
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  Speaker 1: terms of entries instead of exits. The housing etcetera. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: keeping up, and that's where we're getting this huge crunch.
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  Speaker 1: So they've got a wedge on both sides in a sense,
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  Speaker 1: the business community in that way, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: like ned zero. The business community wants workers in certain areas.
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  Speaker 1: I think Dunham aid the point in that interview with Stefanovik.
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  Speaker 1: We just need to target the immigration better and have
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  Speaker 1: less of it. If they can convince people they're able
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  Speaker 1: to do that. The government will very much attack their
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  Speaker 1: ability to do that, though they'll be on a winner.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what you said earlier, Peter Dutton now
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  Speaker 1: saw these things, including nuclear and then ran away from it.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: He wasn't really up there to just go out day
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  Speaker 1: after day after day and repeat stuff until he vomited.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the test for the Liberals now, including Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only way to get the message across because
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately for us, Peter, if we're here at a thousand times,
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  Speaker 1: there's plenty of people out there who've only heard it
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  Speaker 1: one time out of the thousand, mate.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you I've been talking about net zero
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  Speaker 2: now for about four or five years here non stop,
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  Speaker 2: ever since Scott Morrison put it in. I'm sick of
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: talking about net zero, but I've got to keep talking
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: about it because it's critical to the country's future. And
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I also think you know that they have to go
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: hard on this issue. They have to go hard on
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  Speaker 2: the amount of people in the country at any given time,
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  Speaker 2: because sure they are not yet Australian citizens, but they
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: are in the queue for rental accommodation, that are in
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  Speaker 2: the cars, they're clogging up the roads. They are all
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  Speaker 2: contributing to this sense. You know that Australia seems full,
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  Speaker 2: that we're taking too many people too quickly, and that's
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  Speaker 2: I think an opportunity for them. Let's go to your
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: old stumping ground in New South Wales, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like there's term off the Liberals and their
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  Speaker 2: coalition partners right.
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  Speaker 3: Across the country.
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  Speaker 2: There's talk tonight that there's a move there on Liberal
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  Speaker 2: leader Mark Speakman. They voted today to retain zero the
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberals, but the National Party they've got
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  Speaker 2: a new leader, Gamesh C.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, people are making a big deal about him being
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  Speaker 2: the first seek to lead a major party. He says, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just an Aussie, identify as an aussy and I'm
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  Speaker 2: fighting as an aussy.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to get interesting here. What do you
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  Speaker 3: think of all of this?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm intrigued to because I did a bit of
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: digging around Mark Speakman. I reckon there's a chance he
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: might survive, and it's because the issue is unlike or
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: you know, there are greater numbers of people in the
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  Speaker 1: right in the federal Liberal party room, but the moderates
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  Speaker 1: dominate the New South Wales Liberal Party room and they're
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: either going to support Speakman and Kelly or Kelly Sloane.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It seems Alistair Henskins is trying to run. He's from
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  Speaker 1: the right and he might even dump net zero if
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he were to get the job, but he hasn't quite
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: got the numbers. What would happen if he did run
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is Kelly Sloan would probably run and probably win the leadership,
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  Speaker 1: but apparently she's not going to run unless Henskins runs,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and Henskins isn't going to run unless he thinks he
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: got the numbers, So there might be all this breathless
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: sort of speculation, but it might not happen now. I'm
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: not totally ruling it out, but at the moment as
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: of tonight is job safe Mark speakman. There needs to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: be some movement from someone, probably Kelly Sloane. She needs
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to be determined that, like Jess Wilson, she wants to
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: go for it now, and there's risk attached to that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: when you're a relatively new parliamentarian, as you just pointed
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: out about Jess Wilson. I mean, there are plenty of people,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I think in a moment, there are plenty of people
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: who are probably telling Kelly Slane what some might have
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: told Jess Wilson, hold your horses, let the blow close
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and then have a crack.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go to those comments today from Tony Burke. He
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: canceled the decision, so he canceled the visa for a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: South African neo Nazi who was involved in that recent
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: demonstration outside the New Sooth Parliament. New South Wales Parliament
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: have a listen.
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: Earlier today the decision was made by one of the
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: assistant ministers that his visa would be canceled. He no
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: longer has a legal right to be in Australia. He
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: should leave Australia immediately. If he doesn't, then he'll find
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: himself in immigration to teach him and being deported at
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: a time where too many Australians are experiencing bigotry and prejudice.
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: I've got no intention of us being a country that
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: gives people visas where their entire intention is to make
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: other Australians feel unwelcome.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Why can't he act as fast and all the rogue
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Imms that we see spew their bile and venom out there,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: particularly on the internet, but in mosques in Sydney, in
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Melbourne on an almost weekly basis. I mean some of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: them are here on visas. Why aren't they being shown the.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Door summer citizens too? But yeah, I think some critics
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: would say that he's got a large Middle Eastern Muslim
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: population in his electorate and that complain to some of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: his decision making. Tony Burke would tell you that anyone
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: spewing hate he'll kick out. I guess he's record in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: time will be able to establish it whether or not
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that's the cartry.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I've yet to see one Imam thrown out like I
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: am seeing in France. And Italy and other countries oversea.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: But he's still got time. Let's see if he changes course.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I think you're analysis as to why he is motivated
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: as he is pretty accurate.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Andrew. I'll ove it there. Thank you.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Let's go nowt to an interview with The Australian's Victorian
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: political editor Anthony Galloway, who's going to give his assessment
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and what's been a pretty dramatic day at Spring Street.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to welcome Anthony. I'm going to talk to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson in a moment. But I mean, what can
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: we say about the revolving door of the Liberal leadership
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in Victoria?
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: One year? Three leaders?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: She is the third. She only just arrived in the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Parliament this term. So the move today crazy brave. Some say,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you know, demonstrates that lives are a rebel, that they're
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: not ready for government. Or others say she's exactly the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: sort of game changer we need to get the massive
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: eight percent swing they need to throw Labor out of office.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, as you say, the third leader in a eleven months,
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: but the irony is she could have gone months ago.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: Jess Wilson actually had the numbers, I believe many months ago.
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: The only hold up was was Wilson that she wasn't
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: willing to go yet. She's a thirty five year old
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: with a young son. So from her perspective, she had
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: time on her hands. As you said before, she could
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: have let the bloke go and let Baton lose an
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: election and go next term. She had many, many years,
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: you know, potentially before she had to put her hand up.
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: But I guess in politics, when you have the numbers,
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: you go, and she did have the numbers, and it
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: became quite clear to her over recent weeks. The Conservatives
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: and the Moderates and what you could broadly describe as
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: kind of centrist MPs in that party room, they all
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: coalesced in recent weeks around our own. Baton support just
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: absolutely went through the floor.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just on that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Why did it go through the floor, Because, I mean,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: they're a fickle bunch of that party who, as we
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: well know, the polling had shown he was gaining ground
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: on the Labor leader, and certainly the polling out from
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Freshwater in the last couple of days had him well
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in front of the premiere as a preferred premier, but
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: also in the two party preferred vote, the Liberals were
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: comfortably ahead. Now, I know he's got to get a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: big swing. I get all of that, But why did
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he have to go if he.
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: Was ahead, Well, he was ahead on the personal numbers.
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: Today's freshrawed poll, I guess was the first one that
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: was kind of positive for him on a two party
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: preferred basis in quite some time. For example, our last
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: years poll in July I had Jacinta Allen's government fifty
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: three forty seven ahead, and that wasn't really turning on
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: any of the major public polls. As you say, What
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: was in his favor was those favorability ratings and that
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: was reflected in both parties internals. I'm told that in Labor,
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: for example, Jacinta Allen's she's not popular. Both part internal
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: poling is.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Telling them that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: I judging from talking to both sides in recent days,
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: I suspect Labor's internals are actually worse than the coalitions.
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: So within Labor they're actually questioning this move because they
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: I believe had the contest more at around fifty to
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: fifty two party preferred. And that explains why, you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: just into Allen's done things, that's you know, she and
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: some of her comrades in the left faction of the
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: Victorian Labor Party don't believe in you chucking fourteen year
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: olds in jals.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: This is my point.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: She was able to push her into place that you
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: would never imagine the labor left faction to go. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: she made a whole series of announcements last week, almost
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: one on a daily basis, that teld me that they
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: were spooped, that their internals were poor, and there was
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: almost a touch of the bracts about Baton. Yes, he
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: sort of tripped over his words sometimes. Yes, he looked
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like the suburban dad that I think was part of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the appeal. They don't need to convince people in Q,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: where Jess Wilson's from, to vote for the Liberal Party.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: They need to be out there in the rovals and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the Ringwoods and the outer suburbs of Melbourne and really
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: change hearts and minds in the suburbs.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And he was of the suburbs.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure when time will tell whether this
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: was such.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: A smart move at all. It depends now.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And can she broad the attack, Yes, he was good
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: at crime that can she go after the economy and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the budget and housing and all these things that she
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: lifted off today. And I'll get your take on this
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: one because she's up again. So I reckon one of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the most formidable labor machines in the country. They've got
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: plenty of money, They've got plenty of resourcing in terms
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: of foot soldiers and others that they are the hard
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: left activist labor.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Down here that lives.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, they've gone through scandal after scandal,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: They've had to sack their state director. They've only just
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: announced his replacement. I mean, are they ready to support
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: her to run as leader.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: Time will tell whether Wilson's kind of broader objective, which
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: is to really prosecute the case over the economy, budget
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: management and all these taxes that labors had to impose
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: because you know, really to hold off another credit downgrade
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: from the ratings agencies. Time will tell whether that prosecuting
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: that as well as crime will will kind of turn
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: around the polls for the Liberal Party, or whether Brad's
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: kind of, you know, almost exclusive focus on the crime crisis,
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: which is a real, real crisis grouping communities all over Melbourne,
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: whether that was the better way to go.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: We will see. Anthony Galwagh. Thank you. After the break
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you'll get your chance to meet her.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: We have an extended interview with a new Victorian Opposition leader,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson, on her vision for Victoria.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Welcome back well. Jess Wilson is impressive.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Before entering the Victorian Parliament at the last election, she
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: was Head of Policy at the Business Council of Australia,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a lawyer with experience in tax policy who advised big
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: corporates at KPMG, and of course the former adviser to
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Josh Fredenberg when he was Treasurer. She's thirty five years
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of age, a mum of a young toddler, and she
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: represents the leafy Melbourne seed of q an area under
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: siege from the Teals. And while she's not even been
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in Parliament for a term, such is the revolving door
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of the Victorian Liberal team, she's already held several shadow portfolios,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: including his Shadow Treasurer, a position she was only appointed
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to last month. A lot will be made of the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: fact that Jess Wilson is the first woman to leave
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberal Party, but if she wins at next
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: year's November election, she will become the first woman ever
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: elected as premier in Victoria, given Jacinta Allen and Joan
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Kerner before her never won an election as leader.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Or can she do it?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the roll of the dice that the Liberal
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: party room went with today. Jess Wilson and welcome to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the program. Congratulations and you were elected unopposed. I guess
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of Victorians would say, though you were appearing
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: now as the leader going into Christmas has come a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: bit of a shock. Brad Batton already was ahead in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the polls, according to a poll out today from Freshwater,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: beating the premier.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So why did he have to go?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Well, the party room spoke this morning, and I've had
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: conversations with colleagues over the last couple of days that
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: we needed to take a new direction. We needed to
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: be very very clear that we had a broad set
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: of priorities that we could take to the next election,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and first and foremost around the failing Victorian economy. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: that is what I can offer to the party room.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: I can take that broad agenda around the economy, around crime,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: around healthcare, and around housing to the next election and
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: provide that credible alternative to the Victorian people. I understand
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I understand that there will be frustrations. I completely understand
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: and respect that, but we have to put our best
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: foot forward. We cannot afford to lose the next election.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: We have to do it for Victorian's Victoria is at
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: a crossroads, and I believe I can lead our team
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: to the next election and ensure we get a liberal
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: government elected and we change course.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: How is he going to lose the next election though,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: because he's the first leader you've had in almost a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: deck guy who was ahead in the polls. So if
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: he's a head in the polls and you're a shadow treasurer,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that's a terrific team. Why change the team?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Well, what we know is we need to win sixteen
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: seats the next election. It's no easy task if the
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: job ahead of us is mammoth, and we know that
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: the labor machine is already working.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: But polls come and go.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: But to be ahead fifty one fifty two in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: polls isn't going to deliver us the result To win
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: the next election. We need to be well ahead in
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the polls. We need to see our primary vote get
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: into the forties, get up into the forties to be
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: able to actually deliver government at the next election, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I believe with the team behind me, we can do
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: that at the next election.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So that says to me that you are voicing the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: concerns that people have set off the record that while
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: he made ground on crime, he was a one prony
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: on crime. There wasn't enough of an economic gender, enough
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: of a push on issues like Dareton infrastructure.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Is that the heart of your colleagues concerns.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Well, Brad has done a terrific job.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I'm prosecrating the crime message and I think it's going
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: to play a key role in that going forward.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: We know that Victorians are scared in their homes.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: We know that Victorian's going to bed each night thinking
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: should I put the keys on the front table or
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in the drawer? What will be easy if someone tries
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to break into my home. Brad has done a terrific
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: job on that, on highlighting the bail issues in this state,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the sentencing issues in this state.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: But we need to.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Offer Victorians a wide ranging agenda. We have to be
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: talking about the fact that debt in this state is
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: soaring towards two hundred billion dollars and the opportunity cost
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: of that means that we won't be able to fund
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: essential services.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I'm thirty five years ol. I'm a millennial.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I know that my generation and generations for younger than
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: me have given up on trying to buy their own home.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: And it's the punishing property taxes in this state that
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: are making is making housing unaffordable. These are the issues
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: we need to take to the next election. I believe
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I can do that. I can take that broader gender
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: and really sell an economic narrative and a broad narrative
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: about why the Liberal Party will be a credible economic
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: alternative for Victoria.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of supporters out there. I'm one
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: of them. You have a lot of critics.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Out there who say you're too new to the job,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm one of them as well. This is your
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: first term of parliament. What do you say the Liberals
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: like me who say she's only just arrived. Fine, put
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: her on the front bench. She's a weapon, but has
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: she got the experience to be leader? What would you say?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I might be a new politician in my first term,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: but I'm not new to politics. You know, I've worked
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: in this extensively in the Federal Parliament. In fact, when
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: you were Chief of staff to Tony. I worked in
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the Abbot government politics. It's something that I've grown up
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: in with my dad being a member of Parliament. The
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Liberal Party is in my blood. Its values, its aspirations
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: are as relevant today as they were when the party
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: was established, and I believe I can translate those to
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the Victorian people today and the policies we can deliver
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: that actually deliver on our values. So I've got a
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: big job ahead. I don't underestimate that, and I know
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: that I will put the team around me to ensure
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: that we can win.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: The next election.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You won't have heard my editorial, but I may mention
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that I think you've got the energy, certainly got the intellect.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I think the problem is you've got a bit of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: dead wood on your front bench. Are you prepared to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: move people on? Are you prepared to do the work
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: yourself if your colleagues won't lift well.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I will have conversations with my colleagues over coming days
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: in terms of the shadow cabinet. But my commitment is
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: that I will work day in, day out, thirty six
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: hours a day to ensure that I am fighting for
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: every Victorian. And I will say to Victorians who are
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: watching tonight. I'm in your corner. I want to make
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Victoria a better place again. I want to bring hope
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: back to this day. There is a malaise over this state.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: People just feel like things are going in the wrong
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: direction and I want to change that and offer a
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: vision for Victoria that isn't this tired Labor government.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Three leaders in less than a year is the blood
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: letting over. You're confident this is the end that they
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: will unite behind you.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Today was a line in the sand. And I say
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: that because I was elected unopposed, but also the team
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: around me, the leadership team around me. It's a broad
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: church and that's when the Liberal Party is at its best,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: when we are able to bring a broad church together
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: and move forward in the interests of Victorians and Australians.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: And that's what I know we've done today. And I'm
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: very proud of the team around me and my colleagues
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: in putting their faith in me, but also in the
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: team we've been able to create.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about tax, because when I've had conversations
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: with Liberals and I've said you must cut tax in
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Victoria to be credible, they point to Labour's ballooning debt
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and say we can't cut tax. Look at the debt
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and if you can't cut tax that we know private
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: businesses left in this state. You know, people are leaving
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: with and only and drove investments not coming in. And
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: if you grow the economy, that will also help to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: pay back debt. Do you have a preferred strategy.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I've been thinking a lot about this, and we
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: do have souring debt heading towards two hundred billion dollars.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: It's almost unimaginable the size of the debt and will
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: take generations to pay it back.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: But you're right, we need.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: To lower taxes and we've already made a number of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: commitments around significant taxes to cut them at the next election.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Because that will drive investment back into the state. We
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: will be able to actually ensure that we can grow
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: our economy. We can grow the number of jobs in
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: this state. Victoria has the highest unemployment in the nation
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: for nineteen of the past twenty months, So the data
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: is telling us that Victoria is headed in the wrong direction. Now,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: that debt is significant and we have to manage it
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: and we have to stabilize it, but we also have
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: to provide a credible tax plan that will drive investment
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: back into the state.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: What about the very political public service in Victoria, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: fact that the majority of jobs created in this state
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: over the last twelve months have been public service jobs.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Are you prepared to tackle that ishe.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Are you prepared to even get them back into the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: office something the premier will not do well.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: What we know is that one out of every ten
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: jobs in Australia in Victoria are now being created by
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: the private sector, the rest by the government. Now, that
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: is not sustainable in any way, shape or form. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: where my concern really lies is not only the fact
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: that the wage bill has doubled since Labour came to
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: office ten years ago, but it's that executive level. It's
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: the growth of that executive level that we are seeing
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: go so quickly, and that's where I think there is
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: opportunity to ensure we're actually directing government funding to frontline services.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: We have vacancies when it comes to Victoria Police during
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: a crime crisis, two thousand vacancies for Victoria Police. So
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: on the one hand, we're seeing the growth in the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: executive level on major infrastructure projects like the SRL, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: we can't see enough cops on the beat in a
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: crime crisis. It just highlights this government has its priorities
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: all wrong. So I think there's a real opportunity to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: hone in on that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of my viewers watching tonight and they remember
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you as someone who supported the Voice, one of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: few liberals who supported the Voice, even in Victoria the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Voice was defeated.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Have you changed your mind there?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I've been very clear about the treaty that I
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: opposed the treaty and I spoke about it at length.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: In the Parliament. Would you repeal it? Yes, we will
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: repeal it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Including anything that looks and sounds and smells like the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Voice in Victoria.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I think that what I saw when I looked at
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: the treaty in detail is something that was very vastly
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: different to the Voice in many ways. The Voice was
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: a concept, whereas we know what the treaty actually is about,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and it is vastly different in scope and in scale.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And Victorians voted no to the Voice, and I respect that,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: and that's a difference between me and.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: To cincer Ellen is.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I understand that Victorians have had to say on this
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: and they don't want to see the creation of a
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: body that potentially creates a second, parallel system of governance
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: in this state that has the potential to slow down legislation.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Of course, we need to ensure that we are working
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: with Indigenous Victorians, but I'll be firmly focused on how
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: do we close the gap, how do we deliver outcomes,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: and how do we do that in a transparent way.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Are you willing to undo the sl contract? You know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the train line to nowhere at a time when Victorian
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: hospitals are public. Hospitals are basically not fifth purpose anymore.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So set a report last week. It desperately needs billions
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of dollars of funding. Are you prepared to tear up contracts?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: So what I have said time and time again, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: what is our position is that when coming into governments,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: any responsible incoming government do we will pause that project
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: and we will review it. We'll review the contractual arrangements,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: we will review the financial arrangements, and of course we'll
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: review where the construction is up to. Because we don't
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: have any visibility of the contracts. This government is arrogantly
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: signing contracts for a project that is unfunded. As you
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: know in the budget, a line item next to the
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: SRL that says TBC.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: This is a project that will cost.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: At least playbook with the East West.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Totally ye thirty five billion dollars unfunded. Now the FITS
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: are saying they might add a little bit more, but
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: they've only provided about two billion to date. It's going
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to cost over thirty five billion. This is a project
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: that will only be funded through higher taxes or more debt,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: but under this government most likely both.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: In Tasmania just the other day, a man who raped
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: his daughter wanted to be put in a women's prison,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and the Tasmanian Premier, a liberal, said no, we know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Quite famously no ale if Nikiaro said no blokes in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: women's jails in the NT No under my watch. Not
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: so in Victoria, not so in South Australia. Where do
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you stand on the issue of biological men in a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: women's prison.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't think there is a place for biological
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: men in women's prisons. I think that there is a
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: need to ensure that people women in women's prisons feel
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: safe and that is something that I'm prepared to stand
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: up and say I'm not.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Going to stand for.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I think you'll never surprise some people with some of
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: those comments tonight, Jis Wilson.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Thank you all the best, Thank you very much, big
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: job ahead.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Well, as I said, the party room has rolled the dice.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It's now a fight between Jis Wilson and just said
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to Alan or got down to the wire. Let's see
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: what happens now half the break, we'll smoke and mirrors
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: from the Australian Energy Counsel when it comes to your
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: power bills. At very same time, prisbe And is making
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: it up as he goes along at the UN's Climate Jamboree, Lapam.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: He is getting copy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Now this is really dangerous for Labor Tuesday panel coming out.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I've got a couple of technical issues getting my guests
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: out of Argentina. I hope I'll come back to that,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to move straight now to my panel.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: May joining me now, Policy analyst Terry Barnes and chief
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: executive for the Page Research Center, Jared Holland.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Welcome, gentlemen. Terry. You know it's Victoria.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: There must be a change of the liberal leadership due
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: about every couple of months.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: We've had it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Today obviously Jess Wilson, now she's in the top job
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: this time next year there will be a state election.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Can she shut down the internal chaos? Can she deliver
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a serious policy Agina, not just lines and narratives and
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: all the polye speak. Can she put some meat on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the bones? I think that's been a problem in Victoria's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: for some time. How do you think she's going to go?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And do you think they've made the case as to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: why they needed to move Brad Baton on given he
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: was ahead in the polls?
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: Well, last question first, I don't think they have made
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: the case, Peter. I really do think that Brad Baton
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: was making progress. Yes, he was a bit of a
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: one trick pony when it came to law and order
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: and sealing with crime, but he was actually kicking goals
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: on that. And one of the reasons, as you pointed
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: out earlier in your editorial, is that Labor was panicked
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: Premier just into Allen was panicked. I mean, we've had
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: this flurry of announcements on law and order, on youth crime,
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: on bail laws and so on, but that's down to
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: Brad Batton's success. However, it's more that's that's an issue
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: that makes voters look. But what really changes voters' minds
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: is what the party, what the opposition says on the economy,
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: on the cost of living, on the kitchen table issues
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: they care about, on energy prices. And if Jess Wilson
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: and I've got I'm going to give it the benefit
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: of the doubt. If Jess Wilson can actually show some leadership,
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: some whole of government policy making, can deal with a
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: fractious and viprous party room and actually a kicker the
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: leaners and the extinct volcanoes in.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: That party room up the bum.
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: Basically to get them to contribute, then she has a
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: ghost of a chance. But I think she's right to
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: focus layserlike on the Victorian economy because it is absolutely,
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: absolutely in a horrendous state. But they have to show,
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: they have to show that they have a clear manifesto,
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: a clear plan that is not just a few talking points,
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: it's not just a few ideas, but it's a really
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: comprehensive look at Victoria's problems and showing that the opposition,
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: instead of obsessing about itself that it has done for
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: a decade, actually focuses on Victorian's The one thing that
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: just quickly that Jess Wilson in her chat with you
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: just then made me a bit nervous. Was she kept
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: talking about offering the party room something to offer all
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Victorians something.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'll stay with you, Terry, because I know you know
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the personality's involved here in Victoria.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I think one of her challenges will be I think, yes,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: she's got the smarts and she's got the energy, she
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: cannot do it by herself. Is she prepared to cut
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: her through a few throats. Is she prepared even inside
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: her faction, to say, notice some people now to say
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get the job you thought you
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: were going to get. I have to put the best
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: team on the paddock. That best team might be someone
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you don't like, but I need warriors out there. I
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: know people who are actually going to do the work
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: because I have to say, federally, that's what let Peter
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Dutton down, and that's what has always let liberals down
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: here in Victoria. I think this centuary Terry this century,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: they've only been in office in government for one term only,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and they're up against, as I say, that most formidable
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: LABA machine in the country.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: Well, actually it's a go back to nineteen eighty two. Peter.
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: It's only about ten years in the last forty forty three,
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: but certainly I think her party room is full of
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: lean is, not lifters. There are not enough people doing
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: the hard work. There are not people of talent, insufficient
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: numbers there to actually help her along. I think one
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: of the reasons she's got the job today is that
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: she is perhaps they're one consistently good performer as a
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: shadow minister in Education and even starting to make a
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: good impact in Treasury. There are too many people who
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: need to be tapped on the shoulder, not just on
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: the front fench, but on the back bench. There are
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: people there who have been there too long. Some have
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: announced their retirements, but others need to consider their futures
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: as well. And I think if she's going to show
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: some real spine, she has to do that. But the
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: test for me, the test for me is if James
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: Newberry returns the shadow Treasury he was dumped last month.
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: I think coul Bets are off well.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I think, I will say on James Jerby, I mean
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: part of the problem Brad Baton had it with no
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: economic narrative, no economic traction, is he was relying on
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: his shadowed Treasurer to make some ground he was making
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: nut at all, and I agree with you. Newbi's back
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: on the Treasury front bench and as will pack up
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and go Hi. I'm sorry, Jess, but I think it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that cruel but that accurate.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Jared.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: You run a policy think tank, a policy think tank
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: on the center right, and I look at what the
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: National Party has done, the junior coalition partner. You've done
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the hard yards. I've looked at some of the papers
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you've been putting out, particularly on energy.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I'll look at the.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Interrogation that you at the Page Institute do on an
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: almost daily basis about all these reports that we're hit
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: with in the media. The latest one from Australia's Energy Council,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and you pull it apart like you're doing the intellectual
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: work to make the case our state divisions are not
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: doing this. You say, this current report out at the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: moment is devastating, but that we've all got to get
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a head around it or tell us what we need
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, Peter. So this report came from the Australian
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: Energy Council. This is the peak body for energy generators
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: retailers in the country. Basically, if they make the power,
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: if they sell you the power, or they're involved in
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: the distribution of our power. This is the body that
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: represents them. Now, you know that the headline sort of
• 44:20
  Speaker 12: analysis that has come out of this report is they
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: say we should stay committed to net zero. But once
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: you look under the tin, it is absolutely devastating. The
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: conclusions that they're drawing, quote after quote, page after page,
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: is how terribly the transition is going. They say, in
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: their own words, this is going to be devastating for
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: our poorest households, that the pain is only just beginning,
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: that we haven't even begun to see the kind of
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: bill shocks that are going to come once this extra
• 44:45
  Speaker 12: transmission comes onto our bills. They're saying the bills aren't
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: coming down in the next ten years, not even close.
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: Nothing in the short term, nothing in the medium term,
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: maybe in the long term. If this fantasy of a
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: renewable economy comes about. They say, it's going to be
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: devastating for our regions and we need to have an
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: honest chat with the Australian public about what this means
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: for our regional industries, what it means for jobs, what
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: it means for employment, And they say that we no
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: one expected how much this was going to cost, no
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: one expected how hard this was going to be, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: increasingly system reliability needs to be a concern. We don't
• 45:17
  Speaker 12: have enough dispatchable power. We're closing cold too quickly, we
• 45:20
  Speaker 12: don't have anything to back this up. And I can't
• 45:23
  Speaker 12: believe that anyone would remain convinced that the pathway that
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: we are on it's the cheapest, the most resilient, or
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: the most intelligent way forward. When you read through the lines,
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: what they're saying is, if we have a financial stake
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: in this, you the government need to start being honest
• 45:38
  Speaker 12: about how bad this is going to be, because we
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: don't want to be the ones that the public gets
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: angry at once their bills don't come down and they
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: start to feel that real pain. So I think we
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: need a really honest conversation about what is happening. And
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: I know that you've been prosecuting this case on your program,
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: but we haven't seen this kind of honesty with the
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: public and any other outlets. And this is the industry,
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: in their own words, telling us, with big borning, red
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: flashing lights, just how bad this is going to get.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: All right, stay with this thought.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I want to come back after the break because Labour's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: cop summit bid they wanted, of course in Adelaide next year.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It's collapsing fast, but it's gotten pretty nasty because Turkey
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: has lashed out now directly at Australia. In a moment,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: welcome back, staying with the panel. Terry Barnes of course
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: joins me now and Jared Holland from the Page Research
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Center will come to him in a moment.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Terry.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: This poll today in the AFI the Financial Review shows
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it well. Andrew Hasty and Angers Taylor both rate better
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: than Susan Lee. It's largely because a third of the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: voters don't even know who they are, leaving the liberal
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: leadership race wide open and increasingly unstable. I don't think
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: we're going to have anything happen this side of Christmas,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: but unless she turns things around. And I don't care
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that she's the first woman. They rolled Julia Gillarde, she
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was the first female prime minister. I think doesn't matter
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: a scrap. If you're not cutting through, you're not cutting through.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I think this shows how hard it is if they
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: were to change leader, even then to come up against
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Labor and Anthony Albanesi.
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: I think that's right, Peter, and certainly I think Angus
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: Taylor and Andrew Hasty really need to make themselves known.
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: And it's interesting to see that Angus Taylor has been
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: sending out his stool and some commentary recently. And Andrew Hasty,
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: well he's becoming a social media guru, isn't he. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: certainly they're unknown to the wider Australian public. But when
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: to those in the know, I think we need to
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: be reassured that Andrew Hasty is not just a pretty
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: pace and good communicator, that we have some real solid
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: policy ideas, just as we were saying about Jess Wilson
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: and the Victorian Liberals before, to deal with the whole
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: country's problems. In Angus Taylor's case, he is a Rhodes scholar,
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: he's a pretty smart cookie. He knows his economics is
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: he's been in business. He's an agribusiness guru. But again
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: he comes across as Mogadon on legs. I mean, he
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: has to show that he can communicate, he can actually
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: sell a policy as well as just make.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: It all right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Jerry because I want to grab
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: this one before we get to the end of the program,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: COP thirty one, that's next year merged for Adelaide. We're
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: fighting with Turkey about it. They're angry at us, Jared,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: because we will not compromise and share the hosting. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: tell you what, the pm ME would be pretty happy
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: if it's just all disappeared, because I think you're having
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it in Adelaide next year diabolical.
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: The Australian tax pay does not need to be paying
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: two billion dollars for a bunch of globalists the Leeds
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: to come here and lecture us about how to run
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: our energy greed when it's already been driven into the ground.
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: I think Turkey can have this one.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I reckon the p would be happy with that. I'll
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: leave it there, gentlemen, Thanks very much. That's it se
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night up next Abel
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: M.