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- 0:00Usually when we talk about a medical diagnosis, there is an
- 0:02expectation of precision. You break your arm, the X-ray
- 0:05shows the jagged white line and the doctor just points at the
- 0:08screen and says there it is broken or not broken.
- 0:11Right, it's very binary. Yeah, the fracture is clean.
- 0:14You have a clear answer. But then you step into the world
- 0:17of human emotion, of psychology, or, you know, our social fabric,
- 0:21and suddenly that X-ray machine just shatters.
- 0:25We are looking at a diagnostic landscape that is entirely
- 0:28murky. Oh, without a doubt, it's
- 0:30incredibly messy. It is, and today we are
- 0:33examining a very specific human condition.
- 0:36It's this innate, overwhelming desire to be together contrasted
- 0:40with the painful reality that our gatherings always seem to
- 0:44fall. Short Yeah, they do.
- 0:45Why do our absolute best social gatherings always feel, I don't
- 0:49know, slightly incomplete or tinged with a subtle sadness?
- 0:53And what is the absolute resolution?
- 0:55That human isolation. Welcome to reformed thinking.
- 0:57Today, we're taking a deep dive into a text by the 19th century
- 1:00English writer JC Rile. A fantastic writer, by the way.
- 1:03Oh incredible. The text is called the great
- 1:06gathering and it centers on a specific phrase from Second
- 1:09Thessalonians chapter 2 verse one which says are gathering
- 1:12together unto him. Now whether you are listening to
- 1:16this while preparing for a board meeting or sitting in traffic or
- 1:20you were just insanely curious about theology.
- 1:23This innate human desire for connection is universal.
- 1:27So let's set the stage. Who is JC Rile and what is the
- 1:31historical context behind his perspective on human nature
- 1:35being fundamentally social? Well, the timing of when Rile
- 1:39wrote this text provides A crucial lens for understanding
- 1:41his perspective. Yeah, he was the first Anglican
- 1:43Bishop of Liverpool in the late 19th century.
- 1:46OK, so this is the height of the Victorian era.
- 1:48It's the absolute peak of the British Empire, but also, you
- 1:51know, the zenith of the Industrial Revolution.
- 1:54Society was undergoing a massive, violent shift.
- 1:57Right, everything was changing so fast.
- 1:58Exactly. I mean, for centuries people
- 2:00lived in agrarian, tight knit village communities.
- 2:03You knew your neighbors, your family had lived in the same
- 2:04county for generations, and the rhythms of life were tied to the
- 2:07seasons. Very predictable.
- 2:09Yes, but suddenly millions of people were moving from those
- 2:13rural settings into sprawling, anonymous cities.
- 2:18The family unit was experiencing immense strain from factory
- 2:21work, long shifts in the textile mills and frankly, crushing
- 2:25urban poverty. Wow, so the isolation must have
- 2:28been intense. It was so when Riles sits down
- 2:31to write about this concept of the Great Gathering, he is
- 2:34addressing a population that feels unprecedented isolation
- 2:37despite living shoulder to shoulder in crowded slums and
- 2:40busy streets. That's such a modern feeling,
- 2:43isn't it? Being lonely in a crowd.
- 2:44Oh, absolutely. And he recognizes that humans
- 2:47are inherently social creatures. Isolation is the exception for
- 2:50us, not the rule. He points out that if you go
- 2:53anywhere on earth, people generally like meeting together
- 2:55and see one another's faces. He actually uses Christmas in
- 2:58England as his prime example of this universal urge.
- 3:02He paints this vivid geographical picture, talking
- 3:04about the spirit of gathering sweeping from the Isle of Wight
- 3:07in the South to Berwick on Tweed in the north, from Land's End to
- 3:10the North Forland. Wait, let's look closer at that
- 3:12map he is drawing. He is literally drawing a box
- 3:16around the entire country of England to show that no one is
- 3:19immune to this desire. That's spot on.
- 3:21And in the 1800s, traveling from London to Land's End was not a
- 3:27quick afternoon drive. It was an arduous, cold,
- 3:30uncomfortable trip. Yet people did it anyway.
- 3:32They prioritize it above their comfort.
- 3:35Right. He talks about sons leaving
- 3:37London businesses, brothers leaving their desks, boys
- 3:40rushing home from school. I love the specific phrase he
- 3:43uses, the weary wheels of incessant labor coming to a
- 3:47halt. Quite poetic it is.
- 3:49You can almost hear the iron Gears of the Industrial
- 3:52Revolution grinding to a stop for just a few days so people
- 3:55can look each other in the eye again.
- 3:57And he fiercely defends these earthly gatherings.
- 3:59He does, which is interesting for a strict Victorian
- 4:02clergyman. Yeah, he calls out what he
- 4:04describes as shallow philosophy or cold religion that might
- 4:08denounce family gatherings or view them as frivolous or
- 4:11unspiritual. He says family affection is the
- 4:14secret oil on the wheels of our social system, preventing humans
- 4:17from being, well, mere devils. That phrase?
- 4:20Secret oil points directly to the theological concept of
- 4:24common grace. Unpack that a bit, Sure.
- 4:27In Reformed thought, common grace is the unmerited favor
- 4:30that God bestows on all people, regardless of their spiritual
- 4:34state. It is the invisible force that
- 4:36keeps the world from descending into absolute chaos.
- 4:39Right. The rain falls on the just and
- 4:41the unjust. Yes, Ryle is saying that family
- 4:44affection, this innate desire to gather and love one's kin, is
- 4:48one of the few good things that survived the fall of mankind.
- 4:52It acts as a stabilizing force. So without it, things would just
- 4:56fall apart. Completely without this secret
- 4:59oil of family affection, society would completely seize up,
- 5:02neighbors would turn on neighbors without hesitation,
- 5:05and we would destroy ourselves. This affection is a gift given
- 5:08to humanity as a whole. Wow.
- 5:10However, Rile's also a strict realist.
- 5:13He points out the sorrow that is inevitably mixed into our
- 5:15earthly joy. Yeah, it's never perfect, is it?
- 5:18No, he mentions uncongenial members of the family, the fact
- 5:20that these meetings are for a very limited time and most
- 5:23painfully, the gaps in the family circle left by death.
- 5:27This hits so close to home for anyone listening.
- 5:29I mean, think about organizing a holiday dinner right now.
- 5:32You plan everything to the letter.
- 5:34The food is flawless, the house looks great.
- 5:35You spent days getting ready. Oh, I.
- 5:37Know the feeling, right? But then an uncle brings up
- 5:40politics and creates tension. Or worse, the gathering happens.
- 5:43Everyone is laughing, but you find yourself staring at an
- 5:46empty chair where a parent or sibling used to sit.
- 5:50The joy is real, but it is fractured.
- 5:52It's very heavy. It is So I have to ask, if we
- 5:55are wired for community, if we have the secret oil keeping us
- 5:58going, why does the fulfillment of that desire always carry a
- 6:02subtle spin of disappointment or grief?
- 6:04Why can we never just have a flawless, unbroken gathering?
- 6:08The disappointment you were describing actually functions as
- 6:11a diagnostic tool. How so?
- 6:13It acts as a signpost. It is pointing the human heart
- 6:17to desire something permanent and unblemished.
- 6:20CS Lewis famously argued that if we find in ourselves a desire
- 6:23that no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable
- 6:27explanation is that we were made for another world.
- 6:29Right, the whole idea of an echo of something greater.
- 6:32Yes, and Ryle is making the exact same argument a century
- 6:36earlier. The mixed pleasure of earthly
- 6:39gatherings, the tension, the ticking clock of the weekend
- 6:42ending, the empty chairs, all of it screams that this is not our
- 6:46final destination. It's just a shadow.
- 6:48Exactly. The earthly gathering is an
- 6:51appetizer, and it is a slightly burnt appetizer at that.
- 6:56It is meant to make you hungry for the main course.
- 6:59That is a great way to put it. Because our current gatherings
- 7:02are fundamentally flawed and temporary, Raoul shifts the
- 7:05reader's focus to the only gathering that promises
- 7:08permanence and perfection. Which brings us to the mechanics
- 7:11and the purpose of this ultimate gathering, Raoul says.
- 7:14This gathering takes place at the end of the world,
- 7:16specifically at the second coming of Christ.
- 7:19Yes, the final culmination of history.
- 7:21And he is incredibly specific about the nature of this event.
- 7:24He insists it will be a visible bodily return, mirroring the
- 7:28ascension. He references the angels
- 7:30gathering the elect with a great trumpet sound.
- 7:33It's a massive physical reality. Yeah, the dead in Christ rise
- 7:381st and the living or change the sea, Death and hell give up
- 7:42their dead. It is an overwhelming cosmic
- 7:45physical event. It is not some ethereal ghost
- 7:48like state. No, not at all.
- 7:50But he drills down into two primary purposes for this
- 7:53gathering reward and safety. Let's look at the reward aspect
- 7:57first. Ryle describes this reward as
- 8:00the public justification of believers, where they received
- 8:02the crown of glory and public admission into joy.
- 8:05Public justification. Let's dig into that term.
- 8:08In theological terms, justification is the legal
- 8:11declaration that a person is righteous before God based
- 8:14entirely on the work of Christ. Usually we think of this as an
- 8:17individual invisible reality that happens the moment someone
- 8:20believes. Right, like a private
- 8:22transaction in the heart. Yes, a private transaction, but
- 8:25Ryle is highlighting a massive future.
- 8:27Public dimension is not a secret acquittal handled in the back
- 8:31chambers of heaven. Wow, OK.
- 8:32Is a declaration before all of create angels, demons, and all
- 8:36of humanity. It is the moment where the
- 8:38hidden reality of faith is openly vindicated.
- 8:41Vindication. That's a powerful concept.
- 8:43It is all the misunderstanding, the persecution, the quiet
- 8:48faithfulness that nobody saw on earth, the moments of choosing
- 8:51integrity over profit. All of it is brought into the
- 8:55blinding light and rewarded openly.
- 8:58That concept of public vindication is incredibly
- 9:01encouraging, especially for someone listening who feels like
- 9:03their efforts to do the right thing are entirely unseen.
- 9:07You can feel very isolating. Yeah, you go to work, you do the
- 9:09right thing, you get passed over for a promotion by someone who
- 9:12cut corners and it feels like it does not matter.
- 9:15Ryle is saying it absolutely matters and it will be read into
- 9:18the public record. Precisely, the Ledger will be
- 9:21balanced in front of everyone. But let's look at the second
- 9:23purpose, safety. Ryle uses 4 distinct biblical
- 9:27analogies for this safety. He talks about Noah in the ark
- 9:30lot in Zohar, Rahab's family during the fall of Jericho, and
- 9:34the three children untouched in the fiery furnace.
- 9:37Those are powerful images. They really are.
- 9:39In all those examples, the safety happens while the
- 9:41destruction is occurring all around them.
- 9:43Right simultaneously. Yeah, the floodwaters are raging
- 9:46outside the timber of the Ark. The fire is falling on Sodom
- 9:50while Lot runs to the tiny city of Zoar.
- 9:53Jericho's massive walls are collapsing into rubble, while
- 9:56Rahab is inside her specific house on the wall.
- 9:59The contrast is striking. And the furnace is blazing.
- 10:02The guards outside die from the heat while three men walk around
- 10:06inside it. How should that specific timing
- 10:09comfort the listener regarding their own future anxieties?
- 10:13This cuts right to the core of how we misunderstand divine
- 10:16protection. We usually think of safety as
- 10:19the total absence of danger. We want the storm to be
- 10:22canceled. We pray for the fire to be put
- 10:24out. Always we just want the easy Rd.
- 10:26But Ryall's biblical examples show that divine safety is
- 10:29preservation through the judgement, not the removal of
- 10:32the event itself. That makes a lot of sense.
- 10:35For the listener worrying about the state of the world today,
- 10:37you know the economy, global conflicts, the moral decay of
- 10:40society, or the end of the age, the comfort is not that things
- 10:44will magically get easier. Because they probably won't.
- 10:46No, they won't. The comfort is that the
- 10:48gathering of the elect acts as a spiritual arc before the final
- 10:53crash of all things begins. Believers are hidden, Ryle
- 10:57quotes the prophet Isaiah. Hide thyself, as it were, for a
- 11:00little moment, until the indignation be overpassed.
- 11:03So the gathering is an act of supreme rescue in the very teeth
- 11:06of the storm. Yes, God does not need to stop
- 11:10the flood to keep Noah dry. He just needs to seal the door
- 11:13of the Ark. Wow I never thought about it
- 11:15like that. We always assume safety means a
- 11:17quiet sunny day, but you are saying safety is being in the
- 11:20right container while the hurricane hits?
- 11:22That's a great summary. Knowing how and why this
- 11:25gathering happens is thrilling, but it leads to the obvious
- 11:28question of who will be there? What will this crowd actually
- 11:31look like? Ryle paints a very vivid picture
- 11:34of this. He does.
- 11:35He outlines 3 defining hallmarks of the Heavenly Assembly,
- 11:38categorizing it as great, wonderful, and humbling.
- 11:42Let's start with the scale of it.
- 11:43He calls it great. Meaning the sheer size of the
- 11:45crowd. Yeah, he is talking about the
- 11:48massive scale. It includes all children of God,
- 11:51from Abel, the very first St. who was murdered by his brother,
- 11:55down to the last person born before the trumpet sounds.
- 11:58No one is overlooked. Not a single one.
- 12:01He explicitly notes that the weakest and feeblest are
- 12:04present. The little flock that often
- 12:06feels so small and insignificant on Earth suddenly becomes an
- 12:09uncountable multitude. The mathematics of this are
- 12:12staggering. Staggering, yeah.
- 12:14When you feel like you are the only person in your workplace or
- 12:17your extended family who holds to your convictions, it is very
- 12:21easy to adopt A minority mindset.
- 12:24You feel small. You feel like you are losing.
- 12:26You feel. Like you are crazy sometimes.
- 12:28Right, But Ryle is flipping the perspective.
- 12:31The historical accumulation of believers over millennia means
- 12:34that the ultimate gathering will be the largest assembly in human
- 12:37history. The minority becomes the
- 12:39overwhelming majority. That is quite the paradigm
- 12:42shift. It is, and then Ryle moves to
- 12:43the second hallmark. Yeah, it'll be wonderful.
- 12:46And by wonderful, he means full of wonder.
- 12:49Shocking. Surprising.
- 12:50That's not just pleasant. Right.
- 12:52He talks about the reversal of the confusion of tongues at
- 12:55Babel. People who lived 5000 years
- 12:57apart or on opposite sides of the globe, like someone from
- 13:01colonial Australia and someone from Victorian England, are
- 13:04suddenly united with perfect understanding.
- 13:07The language barrier years just completely gone.
- 13:10And he had something else under the wonderful category that made
- 13:12me stop in my tracks, He says it includes miracles of grace,
- 13:16seeing people in heaven we never expected to be saved.
- 13:20Oh, that is such a comforting thought.
- 13:22Isn't it? We all have people in our lives
- 13:24who we think are too far gone, People who are too stubborn or
- 13:27outright hostile to faith, Ryle is saying.
- 13:30Prepare to be shocked. Yeah, God's grace is way bigger
- 13:34than our predictions. You were going to bump into
- 13:36people and think how in the world did you get here?
- 13:39And the best part is they will probably look at you and say the
- 13:42exact same thing. Oh, that's very likely.
- 13:44But then he gets to the third hallmark, which is humbling.
- 13:47He says there will be an absolute eradication of bigotry,
- 13:51narrow mindedness and sectarianism.
- 13:53This is a huge point for Ryle to make in his day.
- 13:56Yeah, he notes that Calvinists and Armenians, churchmen and
- 13:59dissenters, will find themselves side by side.
- 14:03People who refuse to share a communion table on earth will
- 14:05praise together for eternity. We should probably define who
- 14:09those groups are for anyone who missed church history class.
- 14:12Yes, that context is vital to understand just how shocking his
- 14:16statement is. Go ahead and break that down for
- 14:18us. Well, the Calvinist in Armenian
- 14:20debate is one of the most fierce theological battles in history,
- 14:24centering on God's sovereignty versus human free will and
- 14:27salvation. It caused massive refs.
- 14:30Still does, honestly. Right.
- 14:32And the divide between churchmen and dissenters in England was
- 14:35even more intense. Churchmen were part of the state
- 14:38sponsored Anglican Church. Dissenters were the Baptists,
- 14:41Congregationalists and Puritans who refused to conform to state
- 14:45mandates. And it wasn't just a polite
- 14:46disagreement, was it? Oh, no.
- 14:48In the centuries before Ryle, they literally jailed each
- 14:51other. John Bunyan, who wrote The
- 14:53Pilgrim's Progress, spent 12 years in a freezing prison
- 14:57because he was a dissenter. 12 years just for disagreeing on
- 15:00church structure. Yes.
- 15:02So when Ryall says these groups will be side by side, it is a
- 15:06radical statement. The reversal of Babel is not
- 15:08just a universal translation device where everyone suddenly
- 15:11understands Hebrew or whatever. It is about unifying hearts and
- 15:15erasing the bitter divisions that currently fracture
- 15:17humanity. That makes perfect sense.
- 15:19On Earth, we cluster into our theological tribes.
- 15:22We build massive walls to protect what we believe is the
- 15:25truth. But Ryle forces the reader to
- 15:28confront the reality that the heavenly gathering will be a
- 15:31massive collision of these earthly factions.
- 15:34A collision of factions. I like that phrasing.
- 15:36The pride that fuels our divisions will be completely
- 15:39dismantled. OK, I have to play devil's
- 15:41advocate for the listener here. Go for it.
- 15:43If Calvinists and Armenians are side by side and all our earthly
- 15:46controversies are buried, does that mean our theological
- 15:49debates right now are a waste of time?
- 15:51I mean, if we are all going to hold hands and sing in the end,
- 15:55regardless of whether we were Anglicans or Baptists, how do we
- 15:58balance seeking the truth today with the knowledge that our
- 16:01current factions will be entirely obsolete?
- 16:04Should we just stop caring about theology altogether and just be
- 16:07nice to people? That is the natural reaction,
- 16:09but it misses Ryle's nuance. OK, what is overthrown in the
- 16:13great Gathering is the pride and the unbrotherliness, not the
- 16:16truth itself, Ryle says. Everyone will be clothed with
- 16:21humility. So the attitude is what changes.
- 16:24Yes, the debates on earth are not a waste of time because they
- 16:27are genuine attempts to understand the character and
- 16:30will of God. The problem is not the pursuit
- 16:32of truth. The problem is the arrogance we
- 16:35attach to our partial understanding.
- 16:37The arrogance, That's the kicker.
- 16:38In heaven, our partial knowledge gives way to perfect clarity.
- 16:42The controversies are buried because the full truth is
- 16:44finally visible to everyone. The Armenian will see where he
- 16:48was wrong, the Calvinist will see where he was wrong, and both
- 16:50will be too overwhelmed by the glory of Christ to care about
- 16:53scoring debate points. I love that.
- 16:55Too overwhelmed by glory to care about winning an argument.
- 16:59The lesson for today is not to abandon theology, but to hold
- 17:02our convictions with profound humility.
- 17:05Well, the deep humility recognizing that the person we
- 17:08are fiercely arguing with today will be our eternal neighbor
- 17:11tomorrow. Holding convictions with
- 17:14humility is the hardest needle to thread, but it is what we are
- 17:17called to do. Having laid out the incredible
- 17:20nature of this crowd, the discussion shifts to why
- 17:23believers should actively look forward to it.
- 17:25Yes, Ryle wants to stir up a real longing for this.
- 17:29Ryle does not just want us to know the facts about the
- 17:31gathering, he wants us to crave it.
- 17:33He gives 4 distinct reasons to yearn for this gathering,
- 17:37contrasting the future hope with our present struggles.
- 17:40Reason number one is the total contrast to our present
- 17:43condition, he says. Currently, believers are
- 17:45scattered like salt or separated like lighted candles in a dark.
- 17:49Let's look closely at that salt and candles analogy.
- 17:52Salt in the ancient world was not just for flavoring fries.
- 17:55It was a preservative. It kept meat from rotting.
- 17:58Candles provide light in the darkness.
- 18:00But for salt to work, it has to be rubbed into the meat.
- 18:03It has to be dispersed. You can't just leave it on the
- 18:05table. No.
- 18:07If you leave all the salt in the shaker, the meat rots.
- 18:10If you put all the candles in one single room, the rest of the
- 18:14house remains completely dark. This dispersion is entirely
- 18:17intentional on God's part. So being scattered is part of
- 18:20the design. Yes, it is good for the world to
- 18:22have light spread out, but Ryle is incredibly sympathetic to the
- 18:26psychological toll this takes on the individual.
- 18:28Because being out there alone is hard.
- 18:30Very hard being the scattered salt causes severe isolation and
- 18:34loneliness. You're out there holding the
- 18:36line in a dark town. Maybe you are the only Christian
- 18:39in your entire corporate office and it is exhausting.
- 18:42It really is. The Great Gathering is the
- 18:44moment when all the salt is finally brought back together
- 18:47and all the candles are placed in one massive blazing room.
- 18:51That isolation of being scattered salt makes sense, but
- 18:53there's another layer of friction we experience right
- 18:56now. The fact that even when we are
- 18:57together with other believers, it's still incredibly messy.
- 19:01Oh, without a doubt. That leads to his second reason
- 19:04to urine complete unity of mind. Ryle is brutally realistic about
- 19:10the current state of the church. He pulls no punches.
- 19:12He really doesn't. He says it is imperfect,
- 19:14containing wheat and tares, good fish and bad fish, wise and
- 19:18foolish virgins. He writes that there is a Judas
- 19:21at every communion table and a Demas in every Apostolic
- 19:25company. For those who might not know,
- 19:26Demas was the companion of the Apostle Paul, who heard Paul
- 19:29preach, saw the miracles, and still abandoned him because he
- 19:33loved the present world. Wow.
- 19:35Yeah, Ryle is warning us not to expect perfection from the
- 19:38visible church on Earth. This realism is a vital shield
- 19:42against modern cynicism. Explain that connection.
- 19:44So often today people walk away from the faith because they
- 19:47experience hypocrisy, betrayal or scandal within the Which?
- 19:51Happens far too often. It does, and they assume that
- 19:55because the institution is flawed, the underlying truth
- 19:58must be false. Ryle, writing in the 19th
- 20:01century, is looking at his readers and saying, of course
- 20:05there are hypocrites. There was a traitor sitting at
- 20:07the table with Jesus himself. That's a sobering thought.
- 20:10By acknowledging the wheat and the tares, which refers to Jesus
- 20:14parable about weeds that look exactly like weed growing in the
- 20:17same field until the final harvest, he manages
- 20:20expectations. The visible church on earth is a
- 20:23mixed body. We just can't sort them out
- 20:25perfectly right? Now, no, we cannot perfectly
- 20:27sort the true believers from the false ones right now.
- 20:29But the future church, the gathered church, will be without
- 20:32spot or wrinkle. Yearning for the gathering means
- 20:35yearning for an assembly where no one has a hidden agenda, no
- 20:38one is posturing, and complete authenticity reigns.
- 20:41That level of authenticity sounds incredible.
- 20:44I mean, imagine a room with 0 posturing.
- 20:46Hard to fathom honestly. Reason #3 to yearn for the
- 20:49gathering is that no one is absent.
- 20:51It is the ultimate reunion. We are talking about meeting
- 20:53historical Saints Abraham, Moses, Paul, Mary, Martha, plus
- 20:59being reunited with the recently lost loved ones we were just
- 21:02mourning at the holiday table. It's a staggering family
- 21:05reunion. And then reason #4 no partings.
- 21:08Ryle says. It is the end of saying goodbye.
- 21:10And how do you do it is the end of earthly exhaustion.
- 21:14This is a beautiful point. He lists no more work of body or
- 21:17brain, no more anxiety for families, sickness, old age or
- 21:21change. Think about the endless
- 21:23treadmill we live on. Today, it never stops.
- 21:26The barrage of emails, the commuting, the constant low
- 21:29level anxiety about our kids futures paying the bills,
- 21:32keeping up with the speed of modern life, the glowing screens
- 21:35demanding our attention 24/7. Exhausting just to list it out.
- 21:39Right. Ryle is talking about an endless
- 21:41state of being calm, restful and unhurried.
- 21:44It is the ultimate antidote to modern fatigue.
- 21:47It truly is. And thinking about the
- 21:49historical Saints, how might anticipating an actual
- 21:53conversation with people like King David or the Apostle Peter
- 21:56change the way we read the writings today?
- 21:58Oh, it changes everything about how we interact with the text.
- 22:01Tell me more about that. When you read the Psalms of
- 22:03David or the letters of Peter, you are not just reading
- 22:06historical documents from dead men, you are reading letters
- 22:08from future friends. Future Friends, if you actually
- 22:12believe you were going to sit down across the table from the
- 22:15Apostle Paul and ask him to explain what he meant in the 8th
- 22:18chapter of Romans, his writings become a living dialogue.
- 22:22It removes the academic distance.
- 22:24That makes the Bible feel so much more immediate.
- 22:27Exactly, you are getting to know the minds of the people you will
- 22:30spend eternity with. And regarding the end of
- 22:32exhaustion, Ryles phrase. No more work of body or brain is
- 22:37brilliant. Sounds so appealing.
- 22:39The human mind is not built to sustain the level of input and
- 22:42anxiety we subject it to. The gathering is not just a
- 22:45social event, it is the entry into cosmic Sabbath.
- 22:49It is the total cessation of striving.
- 22:51The mental engine finally gets to turn off this beautiful
- 22:54picture of rest, reunion and safety forces.
- 22:57A very uncomfortable but necessary question.
- 23:00It always says with Ryle. And Ryle does not shy away from
- 23:02it. The text transitions from these
- 23:05warm, comforting promises to a direct, unavoidable challenge
- 23:08for the reader, He states. There will only be two groups,
- 23:12right hand or left safe in the ark or outside, gathered like
- 23:16wheat or left like tares to be burned.
- 23:19There's no middle ground. None.
- 23:21And then he asks a blunt question.
- 23:23Will you be gathered or left behind?
- 23:25He offers what we can call the taste test to check your soul's
- 23:28condition. The taste test.
- 23:29This is very convicting. Extremely.
- 23:31He asks what kind of gatherings you prefer.
- 23:33Now if a person takes no pleasure in the assembling of
- 23:37Christians on earth and instead prefers worldly assemblies,
- 23:39feasts and amusements while finding worship and absolute
- 23:43weariness, they cannot possibly enjoy heaven.
- 23:45The. Theological logic here is
- 23:47ironclad. Yeah, Heaven is a prepared place
- 23:50for a prepared people. Our earthly tastes are a
- 23:52diagnostic tool for the state of our hearts.
- 23:55Ryle is stripping away the cultural Christianity of his
- 23:58day. Which was huge in his time.
- 24:00Yes, in Victorian England, going to church was the socially
- 24:03respectable thing to do. It was how you networked.
- 24:06It's how you maintained a good reputation.
- 24:08Just going through the motions, right?
- 24:10But Ryle is asking, do you actually like it?
- 24:13Do you love the company of the Saints?
- 24:16If sitting in a room with believers singing praises to God
- 24:20and hearing his His Word is incredibly boring or frustrating
- 24:23to you now, why do you think you would want to do it forever?
- 24:26That is such a logical question. You cannot hate the company of
- 24:29Saints now and expect to love an eternity consisting entirely of
- 24:34their company. He is exposing the absurdity of
- 24:37wanting the safety of heaven without wanting the substance of
- 24:40heaven. That is a piercing diagnostic
- 24:43tool. But I have to stop and ask a
- 24:44question for the listener who might be feeling a bit of panic
- 24:46right now. Sure, Ryle says that if a person
- 24:49only loves the gathering of sinners on earth, they are
- 24:52deceiving themselves about heaven.
- 24:53How does a person honestly assess their taste without
- 24:56falling into legalism or faking an enjoyment they do not
- 24:59possess? That's a very fair concern.
- 25:01Because let's be honest, sometimes the visible church is
- 25:04annoying. Very annoying.
- 25:05The music is too loud, the sermons are dry, the people in
- 25:08your small group talk too much. If someone listens to this and
- 25:11thinks I don't always love gathering with Christians, how
- 25:16do they handle that reality without just pretending?
- 25:19That is a vital distinction and we have to be careful not to
- 25:22crush people with false expectations.
- 25:24Ryle is not demanding constant ecstatic emotional highs at
- 25:28every Sunday morning service. OK, good.
- 25:31That's a relief. He is talking about the
- 25:32fundamental orientation of the soul.
- 25:35Recognizing a lack of desire is actually the first vital step.
- 25:39You cannot fake an affection you do not have.
- 25:42You just can't. If you realize your tastes lean
- 25:44entirely toward the world, the answer is not to put on a mask
- 25:48and pretend to be super spiritual at coffee hour.
- 25:50The answer is to go to God and confess that your affections are
- 25:53misaligned. It's about honesty.
- 25:55Yes, desires are cultivated in Reformed theology.
- 25:58This is the ongoing process of sanctification.
- 26:01We ask the Holy Spirit to change our appetites.
- 26:03So it's not instant. Rarely, you start by obeying
- 26:07even when the feeling isn't there, trusting that God will
- 26:11shape your heart over time. It is about the trajectory of
- 26:14your loves. Are you increasingly finding
- 26:17value in the things of God and the people of God, even amidst
- 26:20the glaring imperfections of the visible church?
- 26:23That takes a ton of the pressure off.
- 26:25It is about the trajectory, not a demand for perfection right
- 26:28this second. Exactly now, after this serious
- 26:31self examination, Ryle concludes the text by offering massive
- 26:34comfort to those who are prepared but are currently
- 26:36suffering. He specifically addresses the
- 26:39sorrows of December, those holiday gatherings we talked
- 26:42about earlier. Bringing it right back to the
- 26:43start. Yeah, he commands the believer
- 26:45to look forward, quoting Paul. The night is far spent, the day
- 26:49is at hand, and he uses 2 analogies to illustrate why this
- 26:53future gathering should bring immediate comfort.
- 26:55The first one is phenomenal. The shipwreck analogy.
- 26:58He says that the morning after an earthly shipwreck is
- 27:01terrible. Even if you survive and reach
- 27:04the shore, your joy is ruined by the drowned shipmates who did
- 27:07not make it. It's.
- 27:08A survivor's guilt. Yes, the grief overtakes the
- 27:11relief, but the heavenly gathering is different.
- 27:14He quotes Acts chapter 27, verse 44.
- 27:17This is where Paul is in a literal shipwreck off the coast
- 27:20of Malta. The ship is torn to pieces and
- 27:22the text says some on boards and some on broken pieces.
- 27:26All will get safe to shore. That's a wonderful text.
- 27:29Ryle says the great waters swallow none of God's elect.
- 27:32The way Ryle lands this conclusion is psychologically
- 27:36brilliant. He does not dismiss the pain of
- 27:38empty chairs at Christmas. He acknowledges the tears and
- 27:42the grave thoughts sweeping over the mind.
- 27:44He doesn't just offer cheap band aids.
- 27:46Right, he is not offering empty religious platitudes like just
- 27:49cheer up. Instead, he uses the absolute
- 27:53certainty of the future to anchor the sorrow of the
- 27:55present. The shipwreck analogy carries so
- 27:57much weight because life often feels exactly like surviving a
- 28:00shipwreck. Clinging to debris.
- 28:02Yes, we are clinging to broken pieces of wood just trying to
- 28:05keep our heads above water. We lose jobs, we lose our
- 28:08health, we lose loved ones. But the theological promise of
- 28:11the preservation of the Saints is that not a single soul
- 28:14entrusted to Christ will be lost in the deep.
- 28:16Not one. Every single one of the 276
- 28:19people on Paul's ship survived. Everyone gets safe to shore.
- 28:24And the second analogy hits even harder, especially when you
- 28:27think about the historical context.
- 28:29It is the battle analogy. He notes that the day after an
- 28:32earthly victory is still deeply sorrowful due to the list of the
- 28:36killed, wounded and missing. He quotes the Duke of
- 28:39Wellington, the British commander who defeated Napoleon
- 28:42at Waterloo. A very famous quote for his
- 28:44audience. After that massive battle,
- 28:46Wellington reportedly said there was but one thing worse than a
- 28:49victory, and that was a defeat. Earthly victories always require
- 28:53collateral damage. They require sacrifice.
- 28:56There's always a cost. When the casualty lists were
- 28:58posted in London, families wept even though the nation won.
- 29:01But in this final gathering, Ryle says the muster roll is
- 29:05perfectly complete. What a contrast.
- 29:07No believer is missing in action.
- 29:09If you are feeling lonely this December, Ryle wants you to know
- 29:12that the lonely time has an expiration date.
- 29:15Precisely. When you look at an earthly
- 29:17commander like Wellington, his victory came at the horrific
- 29:20cost of thousands of his own men.
- 29:22The field was covered in casualties.
- 29:24But the victory of Christ, the great captain of our salvation,
- 29:28operates on a completely different economy.
- 29:30He took the casualties upon himself.
- 29:32He bore the cost. He suffered the loss so that his
- 29:35soldiers would not have to. Therefore, the muster roll after
- 29:39the final battle is identical to the muster roll before the
- 29:42battle. No one is left on the field.
- 29:44That is just staggering. This completely reorients how we
- 29:47experience holiday grief. When tears rise unbidden at the
- 29:51dinner table, believers are instructed to look up.
- 29:54Ryle says heaven becomes more full every year, while earth
- 29:57becomes more empty. That's a beautiful way to phrase
- 29:59it. The people you are grieving are
- 30:01in good keeping, and you will see them again.
- 30:04The sorrow is intensely real, but it is temporary.
- 30:07So if we synthesize the core arc of everything we have talked
- 30:10about today, we crave gathering because we are quite literally
- 30:13made for it. It is in our bones.
- 30:15Yes, that common grace wiring. Earthly gatherings give us a
- 30:19taste of that connection, but they inevitably break our hearts
- 30:22because they are flawed, temporary, and interrupted by
- 30:25death. But the final gathering at the
- 30:27return of Christ will heal those breaks permanently.
- 30:31It will offer perfect unity, rest from our exhaustion and
- 30:35absolute safety from the storms of judgement.
- 30:37It achieves all of this not by abandoning our humanity, but by
- 30:41fulfilling it. The gathering is bodily, it is
- 30:43social, and it is incredibly diverse.
- 30:45Reversing Babel. Right.
- 30:47It reverses the curse of Babel and the divisions of our pride,
- 30:50gathering every single believer from able to the end of time
- 30:54into one harmonious family where the phrase goodbye is
- 30:57permanently retired. As we wrap up, I want to leave
- 31:00you, the listener, with a final thought to Mull over.
- 31:02We talked about Rile's analogy that believers are currently
- 31:05scattered like salt to preserve the world.
- 31:07Sometimes that scattering feels intensely isolating.
- 31:11It really does. If your current isolation or
- 31:13your lack of a like minded community feels like a
- 31:15punishment right now, consider this.
- 31:17What if your specific lonely placement is not an accident?
- 31:21What if it is a deliberate assignment?
- 31:23That's a challenging thought. You are the scattered salt.
- 31:25You are holding the line in your workplace, in your family, in
- 31:29your neighborhood until the day the trumpet sounds and the salt
- 31:32is finally gathered back together.
- 31:35How does viewing your isolation as a temporary assignment change
- 31:38the way you face tomorrow? Think about that.
- 31:41Thank you so much for joining us on Reform Thinking.
- 31:43We will see you next time.