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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, October 16 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. Fight's got her
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Speaker 1: right now. Good morning and happy Wednesday morning to you.
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Speaker 1: We have a show for you, CBS Sports. Pete Prisco
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Speaker 1: joins us shortly as well as Sam Farmer from the
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Speaker 1: l A Times to talk about what we all are
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Speaker 1: talking about. Jalen Ramsey traded to the Los Angeles Rams
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Speaker 1: for two first rounders in a fourth round pick. As
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Speaker 1: we bring in Pete Prisco, CVA Sports, thank you for
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Speaker 1: waking up early with us exciting news drama filled Pete,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about it? Yeah, I mean it
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Speaker 1: runs of course. Um I initially I didn't think they
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Speaker 1: would trade him, but everybody at tired of the entire
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Speaker 1: situation and it makes a lot of sense to get
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Speaker 1: rid of him when you get that kind of hall.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you get two first round picks in the
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick. That's great value for a guy. They
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Speaker 1: got more for Jalen Ramsey than the Bears did for
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Speaker 1: Khalil Max. So in the end, I think it was
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Speaker 1: a big win for the Jaguars. Hey, look, the Rams
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna contend this year. Getting a corner of
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Speaker 1: that talent is a is a good move for them
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Speaker 1: as well as they try and play more man and
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Speaker 1: man coverage in the secondary. Is there an element to
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Speaker 1: pete of And I thought about this time last night. Um,
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Speaker 1: there are certain positions that can hold a franchise, uh
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Speaker 1: against its will. Whatever you call it. A quarterback, maybe
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Speaker 1: you bend the organization around a little bit. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that you do it with this position as great
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Speaker 1: as he is, and he's a great player. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: you can stay away from the corner, you know, It's
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Speaker 1: not like, you know, you can go back, drop back
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Speaker 1: and go to the other side all the time and
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Speaker 1: stay away from that corner. So you're right, Ocean, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that this is one of those situations where
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Speaker 1: you can hold a franchise hostage. And and everybody's now
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Speaker 1: into that, the whole whole the franchise houses. They couldn't
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Speaker 1: let him sit and Rod if they wanted to, let's
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Speaker 1: let's be honest about it. He could have he could
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Speaker 1: have played this game for the entire year. Then he
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Speaker 1: would have to play a game the entire year next year,
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Speaker 1: and and then what then they could attacked them. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they could have done whatever they wanted to do with him.
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Speaker 1: He they had the leverage he did not. So uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, this whole notion that he got what he
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Speaker 1: wanted because he did what he did. Maybe so, but
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Speaker 1: they could have played the hard ball and he had
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Speaker 1: no recourse if they did. This was a huge I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but this was a huge Uh. You know, Antonio Brown
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Speaker 1: went for what to the Raiders a third and fourth, right, correct?
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Speaker 1: So I mean, why do you think this worked to
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Speaker 1: where you got two first round picks because you just
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Speaker 1: don't see that in trade. Well, I think desperation sets
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Speaker 1: in at this time of the year. Teams, you know,
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Speaker 1: look around and and they say, hey, wait, I gotta
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Speaker 1: I gotta get this corner. I got my team as
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Speaker 1: a chance, I think we can win the division to
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Speaker 1: try and make a run to the super Bowl. And
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Rams, and so they got a
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Speaker 1: little bit desperate. But there were other teams too, I
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Speaker 1: mean the Eagles were nosing around, and they were they
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Speaker 1: They're obviously desperate for secondary help, and at this time
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Speaker 1: of the year, you get a little more desperate than
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Speaker 1: you might, you know, otherwise be in the off season.
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Speaker 1: So it actually worked out for the Jaguars. And you
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Speaker 1: know shod Khan coming out last week saying he wasn't
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Speaker 1: gonna trade him, He's gonna play. Maybe that up the
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Speaker 1: any a little bit and maybe he's a less smarter
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Speaker 1: than the rest of us, because I didn't really think
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Speaker 1: they were to trade. No. I didn't either, And and
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Speaker 1: I'm like you and others who wonder what kind of
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Speaker 1: message this sends. Antonio Brown, Levian Bell, Jalen Ramsey. Are
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Speaker 1: we at the point now where a particular player can
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Speaker 1: force his way out? Um? I think you even had
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Speaker 1: a tweet last night to say, you know who's next,
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Speaker 1: who's disgruntled next? Um, it's just that part of It's
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Speaker 1: the part I don't like. And I was somebody that said, hey,
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Speaker 1: keep him, because I do think he's a generational talent.
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Speaker 1: I think he's that kind of guy that you may
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Speaker 1: never have come through your organization. Again. Um, but here's
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Speaker 1: what I here's what I sensed yesterday talking to people,
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Speaker 1: and and Monday too was that where the locker room
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Speaker 1: was on him after Houston. It has slowly gone after
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Speaker 1: last week, and it got to the point where, no
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Speaker 1: matter what, after he didn't play Sunday, the Jaguars had
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Speaker 1: to be looking because there was no way to get
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Speaker 1: him back. In that locker room, I heard the exact
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Speaker 1: same thing that they had, you know, obviously tired of
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Speaker 1: the whole stick in the act, and you're out there
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Speaker 1: working your butt off to try and win football games,
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Speaker 1: and you got a guy we don't know for certainty
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Speaker 1: that he was doing it, but you have your doubt
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Speaker 1: whether he was yanking it or not. When you're a
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Speaker 1: player in the National Football League and and you're you're
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Speaker 1: playing through stuff, and you're working your practice and and
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Speaker 1: somebody isn't, you're gonna look at them differently. And this
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Speaker 1: isn't about business, because guys don't want to get involved
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Speaker 1: in other guys business. This is about football. And he
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Speaker 1: was not on the field, he wasn't part of the team.
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Speaker 1: And I think you're spot on, Brian, and they had
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Speaker 1: tired of the whole act and they were ready to
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Speaker 1: let him go. So Pete, how did the Jaguars win this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone wants to put a grade on it
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Speaker 1: today and and that's what people do in our business.
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Speaker 1: But to me, you win this next year in the
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Speaker 1: draft and one in the draft, you don't necessarily win
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Speaker 1: it today. I mean, yeah, Dave called well and Tom Coughlin,
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Speaker 1: they got what they said that they wanted and they
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Speaker 1: came away with the ammunition. Um. But I wonder what's
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Speaker 1: it gonna take for the Jaguars to be able to
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Speaker 1: overcome losing a player like this, um long term? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think you mentioned it. You gotta win in the draft,
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Speaker 1: and you can't blow those picks a and you gotta
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Speaker 1: hope like heck, like Trey Herndon after the first week
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Speaker 1: has actually been a feisty little corner. At the one thought,
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Speaker 1: he's played pretty good football. And and so if you
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Speaker 1: can get by with Trey Herndon and then go supplement
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Speaker 1: your roster with good draft picks and and now you
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Speaker 1: have some flexibility in the draft next year if you
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Speaker 1: wanted to go make a move to go up or whatever,
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Speaker 1: then then I think you could do that. The other
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Speaker 1: thing is is where are the Rams right now? You know,
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Speaker 1: right the three and three they're reeling a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is bad, their defense can't stop a buddy.
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Speaker 1: You know, they got free agents next year, the you
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Speaker 1: know there probably retire, so that that draft pick in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty one might be a lot better
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Speaker 1: than you think it is. So um, I think that's
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Speaker 1: where you win. You have to draft well and and
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Speaker 1: you know, for all the criticism call well taken over
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and the draft last year
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Speaker 1: was pretty darn good. I mean if you look at
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Speaker 1: it on the surface, and the one before that was
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Speaker 1: to do you really think this will turn into a
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Speaker 1: meaningful Tranpete? And what I mean by that is this
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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown left uh and in retrospect, he's a guy
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't want on their team.
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Speaker 1: A running back in Levy on Bell forced his way out.
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Speaker 1: Do you really think that franchise foundation pieces, left tackles,
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Speaker 1: pass rushers are going to be part of this or
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Speaker 1: is it more of a guy can force his way
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Speaker 1: out if they really don't for some reason want him.
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Speaker 1: I and I'm not saying Jared didn't want Jalen Ramsey,
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Speaker 1: But like we said, it's not a quarterback, it's not
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Speaker 1: a foundation piece in the traditional sense. I'm just not
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Speaker 1: sure that these guys who are leaving are guys the
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Speaker 1: teams were just being in over backwards to keep no
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Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown didn't show up in week seventeen. Last
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Speaker 1: week he quit on his team. The teammates turned on
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Speaker 1: him too. That's when it really goes bad when the
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Speaker 1: teammates back away from the whole situation and don't care
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Speaker 1: and don't want him. And I think that's what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about, Ocean, you know, the front office. Look, this
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Speaker 1: Steelers tolerated a lot of crap for Antonio Brown for
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Speaker 1: a long time. But once his teammates started turn on
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Speaker 1: him and he put on him in week seventeen, that
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Speaker 1: was the end of it. He had to go. Uh
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Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Ramsey, you can say what you want,
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Speaker 1: but probably some of those guys in the locker room
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Speaker 1: think did he quit on them? They had to go.
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Speaker 1: That's when you have to go. Khalil Mack was a
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Speaker 1: different situation. He was clearly in the contract, but most
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Speaker 1: of them and it was a new new coach, new
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Speaker 1: front office and everything else. But most of the time,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be real hard. It is in the n
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Speaker 1: b A, one guy doesn't you know, aside from the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: one guy doesn't really matter that much. I don't care
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Speaker 1: what the position is. Where Like in the n b A,
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Speaker 1: you can get two guys and you're gonna compete for
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Speaker 1: a title. That's not the way it is in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's gonna get to that. Malcontents
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Speaker 1: are gonna end up, you know what they're gonna end
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Speaker 1: up doing. Look what Trent Williams is doing right now now,
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Speaker 1: he's upset for a different reason. He's sitting out losing
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Speaker 1: a boatload of money. How to work out for Melvin Gordon,
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Speaker 1: all he did was lose money, you get a new contract.
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Speaker 1: So no, I don't think it's gonna be a trend
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Speaker 1: because I don't think that these guys have that kind
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Speaker 1: of leverage. And one of the reasons, if you if
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Speaker 1: you just look at it, that the Jaguars were able
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Speaker 1: to move him and get what they wanted out of it. Remember,
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Speaker 1: Marcus Peters was an All Pro corner a few years ago,
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Speaker 1: also a hell of a player that year in Kansas City,
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Speaker 1: and a guy that the Rams wanted badly. They got
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Speaker 1: a linebacker for him. But the reason why this guy
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Speaker 1: was able to get two first round picks and a
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Speaker 1: fourth because he's on his rookie deal. I mean, Pete,
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Speaker 1: it feels like he has been here forever. He's only
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Speaker 1: been here for three years and two games. Three games, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's on a rookie contract. It makes sense
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Speaker 1: for the Rams because they've got the fifth year option
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Speaker 1: next year and they've got the ability now to franchise
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Speaker 1: him twice if they want. They've got leverage. My question
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Speaker 1: to you is will they use it? Or is Chalon
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Speaker 1: Ramsey the new Dion Sanders, which I'm sure his ego
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Speaker 1: tells him he won to be. But he's going to
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Speaker 1: go from you know, the Rams, to the Cowboys, to
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Speaker 1: the Niners, to the Falcons to the Ravens and playing
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Speaker 1: six different cities because he wears his act. Then guys,
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Speaker 1: hang on one second, sorry interrupt you, pe. We just
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Speaker 1: have breaking news from Tom Coughlin given a statement just now,
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Speaker 1: given the situation with Jalen, we made this decision based
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Speaker 1: on what we thought is in the best interest of
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars for this season and well into the future.
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Speaker 1: We feel the trade that we struck with the Rams
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Speaker 1: gives us great value for the next two drafts, and
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Speaker 1: we remain very confident that our team today will compete
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Speaker 1: this season for a division title. Jalen was a productive player,
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Speaker 1: but the time, but the time came to move on,
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Speaker 1: and we wish him the best of luck in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. He also wishes you well with
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Speaker 1: your dental appointment, Pete. Right, I mean, come on, blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. What are you saying, Tom, Come on,
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Speaker 1: put the real stuff out there. Bottom line is, you
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Speaker 1: know he's going to be a player that if you
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Speaker 1: trade two first round picks for him, you better pay him.
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Speaker 1: You get you have to. The Rams have to pay him.
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Speaker 1: You can't him up that kind of capital and let
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Speaker 1: him walk and even just franchise tag him for a
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Speaker 1: year or two. I think you have to give him
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Speaker 1: a new contract and they will. And and you know what,
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Speaker 1: you know, they were not happy with the way to
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Speaker 1: leave was playing mostly and now he's on I right.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't play enough man the man coverage, and and
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Speaker 1: Jay was gonna get what he wants. They're gonna play
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Speaker 1: more man press man, and that's what he wants final thought,
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Speaker 1: then Pete ranked the best corners in the game today?
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Speaker 1: Is Jayalen the best? Or is the Alexander Kidd In
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Speaker 1: Green Bay? We saw Marshawn Lattimore on Sunday and he
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Speaker 1: looked as good as any corner in the league. What
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Speaker 1: what did the Rams get? Did they get the best
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Speaker 1: corner or a top five corner? What did they get?
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Speaker 1: They got, arguably that the best corner, But he hasn't
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Speaker 1: played to that. I'll be honest, he has not played
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Speaker 1: to that level. And and so you know I would
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Speaker 1: take him first, but he has to play to it.
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Speaker 1: He has the most ability, he has the ability to
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Speaker 1: be the best, but he hasn't played to that. If
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Speaker 1: he asked me who's played the best over the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years, it is probably Gilmore up in New England.
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Speaker 1: I think he's that guy, but you mentioned a couple
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Speaker 1: other ones. Alexander's playing Green Bereen Bay. Lattimore is a
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Speaker 1: little bit up and down, but he plays the best
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Speaker 1: receivers really well. He just kind of drifts a little
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Speaker 1: bit like Jalen did against bad players. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think there's a clear number one. But if he asked
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Speaker 1: me which one I would take. If I was the
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Speaker 1: coach that I could handle them, I would take Jalen
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Speaker 1: ram Fits. Hey, Pete, thanks for your time this morning.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank Grol Coughlan. Please don't let him
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Speaker 1: get away with that statement. You can go ahead and
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Speaker 1: call him and tell him that I will appreciate all
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Speaker 1: right when we come back much much more about this
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Speaker 1: back Jags Drive time Wednesday morning the state. When we
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Speaker 1: just said, if you're watching on Jaguars dot com, you
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Speaker 1: can see it there. It is all over Twitter. Tom
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Speaker 1: Coughlin speaking out about the Jalen Ramsey trade short to
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Speaker 1: the point, good luck Jalen, but we have to focus
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Speaker 1: on this team right now. I'm glad that Tom heck
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Speaker 1: came out and said something. The only voice we've heard
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Speaker 1: on this is from the Jagger's perspective has been Dug
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Speaker 1: and Doug is the first one to tell you he
13:45
Speaker 1: doesn't control the roster. So we needed some sort of
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Speaker 1: perspective on this as well. UM like to know more.
13:52
Speaker 1: I wish we could get him in here, you know,
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Speaker 1: and have a conversation about it, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: that's forthcoming. Yeah, and anything Doug Brown speaks, stay at
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock in the questions he's going to get in
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Speaker 1: his position. He really and he's dealt with it this
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Speaker 1: entire month. And he by the way, just so that
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Speaker 1: people aren't expecting anything. He's the coach. He doesn't care
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Speaker 1: about next year's draft or the years after. All he
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Speaker 1: cares about is what it takes to win on Sunday
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Speaker 1: against Cincinnati and end a two game losing streak. As
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Speaker 1: as a coach, does he want a player like Jalen
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Speaker 1: in a secondary without a doubt? But will he understand
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Speaker 1: what the locker room is probably going to go through,
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Speaker 1: which is a cathartic day of no more Jalen. Questions
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Speaker 1: will come to that and then it's over as far
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Speaker 1: as they're concerned, there's no point for them to answer
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Speaker 1: any more questions about Jalen. So, you know, hopefully this
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Speaker 1: is a galvanizing moment for a team that needs something
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Speaker 1: to rally around right now. This could be really positive
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Speaker 1: for the locker room. Again, short term pain not having
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Speaker 1: a player like Jalen on the field, long term gain
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Speaker 1: what it means for your draft, for your salary cap.
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Speaker 1: You know, for the culture. The culture of that locker
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Speaker 1: room has not been as strong as it needs to be.
14:57
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest with you, there's there have
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Speaker 1: been some people in that locker room that have brought
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Speaker 1: it down from a character perspective, and Jalen is one
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Speaker 1: of them. He's now gone. So let's see if the
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Speaker 1: stronger culture players take over. Right. I do think over
15:11
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, I'll see about what I've said.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Jalen has been a distraction to these
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Speaker 1: players because I think once he did what he did
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Speaker 1: in Houston, I think for the most part, it was
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Speaker 1: a fine whatever that's gonna happen. Three thoughts. First of all,
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Speaker 1: I wonder how long Jalen will be happy in Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: because I don't I don't care what you pay him.
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Speaker 1: I just wonder how long the grass will be greener. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And hence my Deon Sanders question to Pete, I think
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Speaker 1: he's always going to be looking for you. I think
15:39
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sizzle with him. There's some positional
15:42
Speaker 1: stuff in that too. I hear what you're saying about personality.
15:44
Speaker 1: Darryl Reevers, remember jumped around a lot. Uh. Some teams
15:48
Speaker 1: just will not pay that position. You know, twenty million
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Speaker 1: dollars for that position, generational money. It's hard at that
15:55
Speaker 1: spot because it's a position you can get away from.
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Speaker 1: The final thought I had was, um, I got you. Guys,
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Speaker 1: can take us to the circus. Since this one is
16:02
Speaker 1: now congratulations, This is just what I want. Peanuts and
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Speaker 1: popcorn for everybody for free. Well, I didn't pay more.
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Speaker 1: You guys know that. Uh. There will be people today
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Speaker 1: that will question just how good Jalen Rams he is.
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Speaker 1: He's good, It's all over. He wasn't actually that good. Well,
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Speaker 1: just go back and look at two interceptions he made
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Speaker 1: last year, the one in London where he came from
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Speaker 1: the far side of the field and Carson Wentz could
16:29
Speaker 1: never have seen him coming, could never have thought that
16:32
Speaker 1: he was going to get from way over here to
16:33
Speaker 1: over here and make the pick, and then the one
16:35
Speaker 1: a few weeks later against the Steelers here where he
16:38
Speaker 1: got up over the top of Antonio Brown held him
16:41
Speaker 1: off essentially and made a one handed interception, let alone
16:44
Speaker 1: the one he did against the Bills in seen. The
16:46
Speaker 1: guy is a great football player. He's a great player,
16:50
Speaker 1: and you know, the tone of my voice says, yeah,
16:53
Speaker 1: but but I'm not saying that. The X factor here, though,
16:58
Speaker 1: is what Pete was talking about. Jalen is a great player,
17:01
Speaker 1: and he has made great plays. And what you wish
17:04
Speaker 1: was that he would have behaved differently and been a
17:08
Speaker 1: guy you could put on the wall. That's what you wanted.
17:10
Speaker 1: At the same time, Um, there's sort of this perception
17:15
Speaker 1: and certainly in Jalen's mind that it's Jalen Ramsey here
17:19
Speaker 1: and the rest of the league's corners and maybe the
17:21
Speaker 1: rest of the league's players here. Uh, and he hasn't
17:24
Speaker 1: watched any of the other corners. Well, but that's where
17:28
Speaker 1: you get into a yeah, he's great, but is he
17:31
Speaker 1: that much better? Is he that much of an impact
17:34
Speaker 1: helping you on the field? Went five and eleven with
17:36
Speaker 1: him last year. So, I mean that's think if you go,
17:41
Speaker 1: if you have the absolute best disruptive edge rusher in
17:46
Speaker 1: the game, is he making more impact the best quarterback
17:48
Speaker 1: in the And I don't want to sit here and
17:51
Speaker 1: say I'm diminishing Jalen because he was great, But that position,
17:56
Speaker 1: can you completely disrupt the rest of the franchise for
17:59
Speaker 1: I don't think. So it's to say ask the question,
18:01
Speaker 1: how much better is Aaron Donald going to be with
18:04
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. He's already happy, He's already the best football
18:09
Speaker 1: player in the league non quarterback Aaron Donald is so
18:13
Speaker 1: how much better? Forget? Do they get he's still running? Yeah,
18:17
Speaker 1: it's pretty good parent Donald positionally? Um, how much better
18:23
Speaker 1: is he up front? How much better can he possibly
18:26
Speaker 1: be because of Jalen Ramsey? I get what you're saying
18:29
Speaker 1: about Ramsey. Two years ago in the off season, it
18:32
Speaker 1: was we all gonna miss me when I'm gone. Right,
18:34
Speaker 1: He's always said that kind of stuff. He never saw
18:37
Speaker 1: his long term future in Jacksonville ever, Because what did
18:40
Speaker 1: he say about playing with Drwen James thousand I'll go
18:43
Speaker 1: play with Drwen James right? What did he say on
18:45
Speaker 1: the podcast earlier this year Vegas or what was the
18:48
Speaker 1: other team? Tennessee? Right? He was always thinking about where
18:51
Speaker 1: he was going next. It's the Jalen Ramsey traveling road show.
18:55
Speaker 1: For him, it's it's a traveling road show. And he
19:01
Speaker 1: and his agent are going to move him from place
19:03
Speaker 1: to place to place to place, even going so far
19:05
Speaker 1: as to disrupt the entire organization for a month if
19:09
Speaker 1: they get what they want. Who wants that? I'm just
19:11
Speaker 1: curious who? And there are people across the hallway who
19:14
Speaker 1: will tell you who? Told me? What happens when we
19:17
Speaker 1: pay him? Right? When you give him twenty million? What
19:20
Speaker 1: do you get? Do you get an easier Chanlan? I
19:23
Speaker 1: got the money. I'm so grateful. I'm going to shut
19:25
Speaker 1: my mouth and play No. Hell No, you don't get
19:28
Speaker 1: don I got a couple of questions last night in
19:31
Speaker 1: the ozone mail bag. Um, what advice or whatever you
19:36
Speaker 1: call it, what would you tell the Rams keep happy? Yeah,
19:41
Speaker 1: and that's a big statement because I'm not sure how
19:43
Speaker 1: you do it. Meaning, don't call a defense that he
19:46
Speaker 1: doesn't like. Uh, don't say anything to him that he
19:50
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear. Um, No, you're being it's not
19:55
Speaker 1: it's not a joke. That's that's the part I was.
19:57
Speaker 1: I was somebody who really thought that the talent was
20:00
Speaker 1: worth all that, and it's it's sort of ratcheted up
20:04
Speaker 1: after after the Houston thing, where I don't know, I
20:08
Speaker 1: thought at that point, when you paid him and it
20:12
Speaker 1: was it calmed down and mature, it would be different.
20:15
Speaker 1: But I do legitimately wonder, as snide as I was being, Um,
20:20
Speaker 1: will you be able to keep them happy the first
20:22
Speaker 1: time a defensive coordinator doesn't call what he wants on
20:24
Speaker 1: that play? Um, the wheels went off, even when you
20:29
Speaker 1: know he was all about winning. Well, he complained a
20:32
Speaker 1: lot when they were winning. So I don't know where
20:35
Speaker 1: the end game is going to be to keep him happy,
20:36
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that it will. I wish that
20:38
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. All right, So I know we've got
20:41
Speaker 1: reaction on the league, but but we have reaction here
20:43
Speaker 1: because we're here. So for a moment, let's forget about
20:46
Speaker 1: the en rapid ports of the world. Um, you and I. Well,
20:51
Speaker 1: before that, there was a dinner that Jalen hosted for
20:55
Speaker 1: some behind the scenes of people here. Okay, you know
20:58
Speaker 1: about it. Um, he took him all to dinner and
21:01
Speaker 1: he dazzled them with his kindness, his graciousness, the way
21:07
Speaker 1: that he treated the waite staff. He made an oppression
21:09
Speaker 1: among these people because I asked the next day, how
21:11
Speaker 1: was the dinner? It was for them, the people behind
21:14
Speaker 1: the scenes. And part of the conversation that night was
21:17
Speaker 1: how do we work together? I mean, let's not be naive,
21:20
Speaker 1: how do you help me? Right? But he wanted to
21:23
Speaker 1: work better with some of the functionaries in the team right,
21:27
Speaker 1: to make things, to tell the story better. You did
21:30
Speaker 1: the interview with him, right, to tell the stories better,
21:32
Speaker 1: all right? So then you and I saw him he
21:35
Speaker 1: did his little dance out of the brinks drug. You
21:37
Speaker 1: and I saw him on the field in Miami. And
21:40
Speaker 1: what did he do as he walked off, as as
21:43
Speaker 1: they were getting ready to walk off the field to
21:44
Speaker 1: go back in the tunnel, what did he do? Yeah,
21:46
Speaker 1: it's something we've never seen before. He stayed till the
21:48
Speaker 1: entire team walked into the locker room high five. Every
21:51
Speaker 1: was never Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey was always either the
21:53
Speaker 1: first one by himself or the last one by himself.
21:56
Speaker 1: The show is his, show is his. What did he
21:58
Speaker 1: do during the game? He was up encouraging the defensive backs,
22:02
Speaker 1: the young defensive backs, many of whom had no chance
22:04
Speaker 1: of making this team. But he was coaching and encouraging them.
22:07
Speaker 1: So what did we come back and say, we're sealing
22:10
Speaker 1: a different different Jalen Ramsey after the Chiefs game where
22:12
Speaker 1: there were some blown coverages, he stood there and looked
22:15
Speaker 1: cameras in the eye and said, well, we'll talk to
22:19
Speaker 1: Wash will be good. This one's on the defense, he said,
22:21
Speaker 1: this one's on us. We owe the offense. Now this
22:24
Speaker 1: one's there. We thought, wow, okay, so Jalen really is
22:28
Speaker 1: putting his money where his mouth is to get the
22:30
Speaker 1: money right. It was all fine until somebody told him
22:33
Speaker 1: something he didn't want to hear. Right, That's the point
22:34
Speaker 1: the first quarter of that ballgame in Houston, when Doug
22:38
Speaker 1: did not throw the flag. I still marvel that we
22:41
Speaker 1: went from all of that sort of build up in
22:43
Speaker 1: the preseason to where we were in Houston in one
22:47
Speaker 1: three yard game, one first down. His eyes rolled in
22:51
Speaker 1: the back of his head like a shark who had
22:53
Speaker 1: bitten into a seal. He just couldn't let go. It
22:56
Speaker 1: was preposterous, preposterous. I was catching up with the sailing analogy,
23:02
Speaker 1: but I get, but we do. We paint word pictures here.
23:04
Speaker 1: It's it's I unfortunately that leads you to say that
23:12
Speaker 1: the true colors came out like that and uh, because
23:17
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous that that one play could cause him to
23:20
Speaker 1: push his coach and cause this whole thing. So everything
23:23
Speaker 1: else that we saw was fraudulent, fake, because he can't
23:28
Speaker 1: do that. He had that in him the whole time.
23:31
Speaker 1: That was his plan. He was going to do something
23:33
Speaker 1: this year to force this. The thing I can't get past.
23:38
Speaker 1: And I know it's much much more complicated than this,
23:40
Speaker 1: but the moment he said he didn't want to be here,
23:43
Speaker 1: I let him go because in this locker room, why
23:45
Speaker 1: would you want a guy that doesn't want to be here?
23:47
Speaker 1: And I know it's so much more complicated than that.
23:50
Speaker 1: Football your team. If you don't want to be here,
23:53
Speaker 1: then leaf, But it's never that simple with the salary cap,
23:55
Speaker 1: and you can't set the example. Although they are, they're
23:58
Speaker 1: taking the risk now that other players will say I
24:00
Speaker 1: don't want to be in Jacksonville either. You can't. You can't.
24:05
Speaker 1: What if Leonard for Nette Besides this week that he
24:08
Speaker 1: has sixty two yards total and they're not using him
24:11
Speaker 1: right and just trade me to get me out of here, right, Well,
24:15
Speaker 1: what would stop him from doing that now? Well, nothing,
24:17
Speaker 1: because the example that you just said, well, you can't
24:20
Speaker 1: just say every first round pick, you go, you go,
24:22
Speaker 1: you go. You can't do that. Your salary cap won't,
24:25
Speaker 1: the structure can't have it. It can't be as simple
24:28
Speaker 1: as I don't want to be here, I'm out of here.
24:31
Speaker 1: Apparently it is for Jalen. He poisoned the well to
24:34
Speaker 1: a degree that you would hope no other player did
24:36
Speaker 1: the I'm not even a social media guy, but the
24:38
Speaker 1: Twitter and the and the Instagram and liking other people's
24:41
Speaker 1: posts and all that stuff about the Saints, that that
24:44
Speaker 1: poison the well. At some point you have to let
24:46
Speaker 1: that one go. But if every player does it, you've
24:48
Speaker 1: got a problem. The Jaguars are gonna have to deal
24:50
Speaker 1: with the expectation that they've set here. They're willing to
24:53
Speaker 1: do it at this point, but there don't expect that
24:56
Speaker 1: there won't be any repercussions for their decision, that it
25:00
Speaker 1: won't set something in motion. It probably will. Alright, speaking
25:05
Speaker 1: of the social media, let's go around Twitter, because oh
25:08
Speaker 1: is it boiling this morning, Let's go to Dante Fowler.
25:11
Speaker 1: Remember him? Remember that guy? Yeah, he's in Los Angeles too, right, Yeah,
25:16
Speaker 1: that's the connection. You're onto something. Dante Foller tweets today
25:20
Speaker 1: has been one of the most emotional roller coasters I've
25:23
Speaker 1: been on in a while. Welcome to l A. Brother
25:27
Speaker 1: not good for Yes, reunited with Blake boardles in Dante
25:31
Speaker 1: in l A. We're gonna have Sam Farmer, writer for
25:33
Speaker 1: the l A Times, on at ten o'clock. He'll have
25:35
Speaker 1: much more to say about that. But crazy that those
25:38
Speaker 1: three of all players, those three are reunited in Los Angeles.
25:43
Speaker 1: I don't want to say to that. Yeah, I mean
25:45
Speaker 1: we wish them well, yeah, all right, let's go to
25:48
Speaker 1: London for net Jalen's buddy. We all know it was
25:51
Speaker 1: kind of earlier the week we thought maybe Leonard was
25:53
Speaker 1: taking some shots at Jalen. He just tweets out a
25:57
Speaker 1: sad face because his friend is gone, exact because his
26:01
Speaker 1: friend's gone, or because it's sad that it came to
26:03
Speaker 1: this point that a grown man would force his way
26:05
Speaker 1: out because someone didn't know what he wanted. I'm hoping
26:11
Speaker 1: you never want to see a game no matter what happened.
26:14
Speaker 1: At the end, you don't want to see somebody you've
26:18
Speaker 1: played with, et cetera. You're sad when that ends. They
26:21
Speaker 1: had some good times, you know. I think they were
26:25
Speaker 1: collectively as a group tired of it at the end.
26:28
Speaker 1: You wish it would work out. You know, usually a
26:30
Speaker 1: tear and an emotion isn't all about one thing. I'm
26:33
Speaker 1: sure there was part of Leonard and a lot of
26:34
Speaker 1: guys were like, man, that it stinks. How did it
26:37
Speaker 1: come to this? Over over Doug not finding the challenge?
26:40
Speaker 1: And you remember the good time? Do you remember, just
26:42
Speaker 1: like a break up. There was a photo There was
26:45
Speaker 1: a photo we could find it of the two of
26:47
Speaker 1: them before they were getting on the airplane to go
26:49
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh for the playoff game. And I remember looking
26:51
Speaker 1: at saying, there's the future of the franchise right there.
26:53
Speaker 1: And remember Jalen was at an all pro level at
26:56
Speaker 1: that moment and Leonard, for ned was one of the
26:59
Speaker 1: rising rookies in football and would have a huge impact
27:02
Speaker 1: on the Jaguars winning the game the next day. And
27:04
Speaker 1: from that moment to hear what's the Jaguars record? Uh six?
27:10
Speaker 1: Not yeah? I mean six is eight and sixteen. I
27:17
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that when I looked at the picture
27:18
Speaker 1: the next day. Things change in a hurry, and the
27:21
Speaker 1: way I interpreted when I saw that was sad. Sad
27:24
Speaker 1: that it got to this point more than sad that
27:26
Speaker 1: he said that it didn't work. Yeah, and finally I
27:28
Speaker 1: was going to put this in the show before all
27:30
Speaker 1: the Jalen Ramsey news happened. It's what Miles Jack said
27:32
Speaker 1: on his Instagram when I thought, oh man, this is
27:35
Speaker 1: this is getting interested. Miles Jack on his Instagram puts
27:38
Speaker 1: grind over Pride. Jalen Ramsey earlier said I really don't
27:42
Speaker 1: be caring what you all are thinking or saying. Miles
27:45
Speaker 1: Jack later on Instagram grind over Pride, and I thought, oh,
27:50
Speaker 1: things are getting interesting. Later on that night I found
27:53
Speaker 1: out it was much more interesting than Again, I don't
27:55
Speaker 1: think the players. I can't speak for him, but my
27:58
Speaker 1: impression of it is not so much anger with Jalen
28:02
Speaker 1: as done with it. Ye you know, it's enough. Now
28:06
Speaker 1: it's time for us to go to work and hopefully
28:10
Speaker 1: this becomes a moment that the Jaguars can galvanize around.
28:13
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll pull one out of the old record book,
28:15
Speaker 1: and that is the day that they cut Andre Rise
28:17
Speaker 1: and again not the same player at that moment in
28:20
Speaker 1: his career that Jalen Ramsey is in his But when
28:24
Speaker 1: all those players were sitting around his feet that day
28:27
Speaker 1: in the locker room, I said, this ship is sinking.
28:30
Speaker 1: Does anybody have a bucket. It's time to start bailing.
28:32
Speaker 1: And it didn't happen that way. They went on a
28:34
Speaker 1: seven game winning streak and got to the a f
28:36
Speaker 1: C Championship game. So that was a galvanizing moment for
28:40
Speaker 1: a locker room that needed it. Perhaps we can see
28:42
Speaker 1: a galvanizing moment from this that gives the Jaguars a
28:45
Speaker 1: chance to do what Tom said, which is get involved
28:48
Speaker 1: in the division race. I gotta win the next two
28:50
Speaker 1: the win, you hope. So all right, when we come back,
28:52
Speaker 1: Sam Farmer, l. A. Times Writers joins us, John's got
28:56
Speaker 1: to go, but hey, thanks for the circus tickets. Kind
29:01
Speaker 1: of very final. Gotta get traded next. He's going to
29:04
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Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're back Jack's Drive Time Wednesday morning.
30:57
Speaker 1: All Jalen Ramsey. This morning we had a show with
31:01
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and all this stuff going on that's out
31:04
Speaker 1: there for the last time. This is the Jayla Ramsey Show. Yes, absolutely,
31:08
Speaker 1: as we welcome in Sam Farmer, who's l a Times
31:10
Speaker 1: writer covering the Rams. Sam, how's it going. Thank you
31:14
Speaker 1: freaking up early for us? Yeah, my pleasure. And let's
31:18
Speaker 1: let's give him the proper introduction. He's also the Dick
31:20
Speaker 1: McCann Award winner, which means that his name hangs in
31:22
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame amongst the writers who have covered
31:26
Speaker 1: this league. Congratulations on that honor. By the way, Sam, Oh,
31:29
Speaker 1: thanks so much. I really appreciate that We're trying to
31:33
Speaker 1: get our our heads around this. Obviously, Um, the Rams
31:38
Speaker 1: send two picks, and they've sent a boatload of picks
31:41
Speaker 1: out of their organization in recent years. They're swinging for
31:44
Speaker 1: the fences this year. Is that what this move is? Yeah?
31:48
Speaker 1: I think it sort of marks. It's been the hallmark
31:51
Speaker 1: of his team since they come to l A. They're
31:53
Speaker 1: really not risk averse. I mean, whether it was making
31:57
Speaker 1: the move to l A build in this five billion
32:01
Speaker 1: dollar stadium, which is just staggering. I still can't wrap
32:04
Speaker 1: my head around that number. Um making the biggest trade
32:08
Speaker 1: ever up up in the first round of the number
32:10
Speaker 1: one pick to get Jared Goff and then and then
32:14
Speaker 1: right pulling out their check checkbook for extensions on golf
32:18
Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald and Todd Curley, And you might not
32:21
Speaker 1: like all the moves, but they're definitely very aggressive. And
32:25
Speaker 1: this is clearly something that I think they've been thinking
32:30
Speaker 1: about quite a while. But but it's definitely this oh
32:34
Speaker 1: and three stretch definitely brought it in focus. So we've
32:38
Speaker 1: seen Jalen in his All Pro Pro Bowl career, He's
32:42
Speaker 1: made some amazing place We've seen him shut down DeAndre
32:46
Speaker 1: Hopkins in Week two this year. In man coverage that
32:49
Speaker 1: day he had three catches for fourteen yards, which coming
32:52
Speaker 1: off the week he had had against New Orleans the
32:53
Speaker 1: week before. I didn't know that it was possible. So
32:56
Speaker 1: I get Jalen is a great cornerback. How much better
33:01
Speaker 1: does he make the Rams defense? In other words, Aaron
33:04
Speaker 1: Donald's one of the highest paid players in the game
33:06
Speaker 1: and one of the best two or three players in
33:07
Speaker 1: the game that's not named Tom Brady. Um, how much
33:11
Speaker 1: better does Jalen Ramsey make them in your estimation? You know,
33:15
Speaker 1: I really think that remains to be seen because they
33:18
Speaker 1: still have an issue on the other side. They've got
33:21
Speaker 1: Robie Coleman and Troy Hill and you know, not a
33:25
Speaker 1: dominating quarter on the other side. Maybe that forces quarterbacks
33:29
Speaker 1: just to throw away from Jalen Ramsey, which I'm sure,
33:33
Speaker 1: but the Rams also have a problem stopping the run
33:36
Speaker 1: and you know, getting rid of and Dominican sue even
33:42
Speaker 1: though he wasn't that great during the regular season and
33:45
Speaker 1: sort of got much better as as as the playoffs approached,
33:49
Speaker 1: and during the playoffs having that big run stopper in
33:53
Speaker 1: there in the middle allowed Aaron Donald to do his thing.
33:57
Speaker 1: Now he's got to hang back and try to stop
33:58
Speaker 1: the run, and his attentions are divided a little bit
34:03
Speaker 1: because he's got a younger player next to him. Um,
34:07
Speaker 1: so we'll see, you know, well, clearly isn't it's gonna help.
34:14
Speaker 1: It's definitely going to help. Whether this transforms the Rams defense,
34:18
Speaker 1: we don't know. But the Rams do have sort of
34:20
Speaker 1: a soft ramp up to this because they play at Atlanta,
34:25
Speaker 1: which I think is probably the second worst team in
34:27
Speaker 1: the league right now, and then they play Cincinnati in
34:30
Speaker 1: London and then have their by so they have some
34:32
Speaker 1: time to sort of work Jalen Ramsey into the fold
34:37
Speaker 1: and see if they can turn around this defense, because
34:40
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of their problems. The other problem
34:43
Speaker 1: is their offensive line. There's some foundational cracks with the Rams.
34:48
Speaker 1: They're gonna be hard to overcome. If they can patch
34:51
Speaker 1: up their line, and a lot of teams are dealing
34:53
Speaker 1: with broken offensive lines right now, they can patch that
34:57
Speaker 1: up and then make some rides on defense. Because listen,
35:01
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters was getting burned deep all the time. I
35:05
Speaker 1: mean he was. If there was a guy going deep,
35:09
Speaker 1: you could always see number twenty two chasing them, whether
35:12
Speaker 1: that was his fault all the time or not remains
35:16
Speaker 1: to be seen. Rams know that better than I do.
35:19
Speaker 1: But he was always sort of in the picture, um chasing,
35:25
Speaker 1: and I don't think Jalen Ramsey will be that way.
35:28
Speaker 1: It's no secret Sam that Jalen Ramsey wants to play
35:31
Speaker 1: man and man coverage. You made that very known here.
35:34
Speaker 1: Do you think the Rams will somewhat tailor to his wants?
35:37
Speaker 1: Are they going to expect him to just stick into
35:40
Speaker 1: the defense that they have right now? I think there
35:43
Speaker 1: are hands are going to uh Taylor to his desires.
35:47
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't you don't you know commit that
35:51
Speaker 1: much in draft picks and and uh money and effort
35:57
Speaker 1: to get a guy and then try to mold him
35:59
Speaker 1: into system. They like what he does, what he can do.
36:02
Speaker 1: He's a playmaker. They're going to try to try to
36:05
Speaker 1: showcase him as a playmaker and let him do what
36:09
Speaker 1: he does best. And so UM I think they they
36:14
Speaker 1: conform around Jalen Ramsey more than having him fit their mold.
36:20
Speaker 1: Will they pay him well? I think I think they will.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean Stan Crocky has shown if if you look,
36:29
Speaker 1: and they paid as I said, goff Aaron Donald. All
36:33
Speaker 1: these are record breaking contracts tied Gurley. Now, obviously there's
36:38
Speaker 1: a salary gap, so you have to um. But I
36:42
Speaker 1: think with the kind of commitment that they've made in
36:45
Speaker 1: terms of draft picks, they're saying this is for the
36:49
Speaker 1: long haul. This isn't for this season when there's three
36:53
Speaker 1: and three just to patch this up. This is a
36:56
Speaker 1: long term commitment. So I'm sure they will pay him again.
37:00
Speaker 1: My only way, I guess, my only question about it is,
37:03
Speaker 1: you know, they now are paying all of these players,
37:06
Speaker 1: and they don't have the draft choices, the top draft
37:09
Speaker 1: choices anymore through what so I guess they have to
37:13
Speaker 1: double down and go for it now because when some
37:16
Speaker 1: of these guys stopped playing, there's not going to be
37:19
Speaker 1: that next generation of top draft picks. I guess the
37:22
Speaker 1: Rams are swinging for defences. Yeah, and they've they've also
37:26
Speaker 1: sort of revealed their strategy, which is, listen, we're gonna
37:29
Speaker 1: build through free agency. We're not going to build through
37:31
Speaker 1: the draft as much. But they've found some good players
37:34
Speaker 1: in the later rounds of the draft. You know, John Johnson,
37:38
Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup, you know, various, um, various players that
37:44
Speaker 1: they've built around. Samson evercom anyway, they've historically, at least
37:51
Speaker 1: in the recent history of traded away their first round
37:53
Speaker 1: picks um for good free agents. So you know, that's
38:00
Speaker 1: sort of their philosophy right now. I don't think they're
38:03
Speaker 1: too worried about that. They realize that they have a window,
38:07
Speaker 1: uh with a lot of young players right now, and
38:11
Speaker 1: you know the NFC, they're able to clearly establish themselves.
38:16
Speaker 1: So if they can stop the bleeding after the sell
38:18
Speaker 1: and three run, um, I think they're still in the mix.
38:22
Speaker 1: And and clearly the next three weeks will be critical
38:27
Speaker 1: for them to win the games they're supposed to win,
38:29
Speaker 1: and I kind of think they will. Yeah, yeah, I
38:33
Speaker 1: went too so well, Sam, thanks so much. We appreciate
38:36
Speaker 1: your time today. Have a great week, Sam, We appreciate it.
38:40
Speaker 1: It's early where Sam is, it's uh ten minutes after seven,
38:44
Speaker 1: so yeah, he's got to get moving along. Um. I
38:47
Speaker 1: get what Sam saying. And look, they are in a
38:50
Speaker 1: five billion dollar stadium. I mean, if anything worries me
38:54
Speaker 1: about the future of the NFL for a market like
38:55
Speaker 1: a Jacksonville, is that this stadium costs allion maybe when
39:00
Speaker 1: you I don't know, that's five billion that is going
39:04
Speaker 1: to generate an enormous amount of revenue. You want to
39:07
Speaker 1: know why London is important, look at what they're doing
39:09
Speaker 1: over there in l a um so I kind of
39:12
Speaker 1: get where their philosophies. They're gonna have the cash to
39:14
Speaker 1: pay these guys. But what if Jalen Aaron Donald, these
39:19
Speaker 1: high price guys, Brandon Cooks, Todd Gurley doesn't look like
39:21
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley anymore. A golf suffer's catastrophic injury, then you
39:25
Speaker 1: don't have draft choices to replace it. The draft is
39:28
Speaker 1: designed to give teams long windows, right, because players come in,
39:33
Speaker 1: you develop them, they played a fixed cost, and then
39:36
Speaker 1: you choose which ones you can afford to keep. Um
39:39
Speaker 1: when you're going through free agency, when that blows up
39:41
Speaker 1: and we know that Jacks fans, right, we've seen that before.
39:44
Speaker 1: It blows up big so. But that's them, and we're
39:46
Speaker 1: done with the Rams at this point. We're done with
39:48
Speaker 1: the whole Jalen Ramsey thing at this point, and it's
39:50
Speaker 1: time for the Jaguars to figure out what they're going
39:52
Speaker 1: to be. Yep, the Rams are gunning for it, that's
39:55
Speaker 1: for sure. Go for it, go for it all right.
39:57
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Speaker 1: not Judge Drive Time this morning, It's the Jalen Ramsey Show.
41:52
Speaker 1: But as we promised, this is the last Shale Ramsey
41:55
Speaker 1: Show because this season we've kind of had like one
41:57
Speaker 1: a week. The more I reflect on what triggered this
42:01
Speaker 1: whole thing, the more convinced I am that it was
42:05
Speaker 1: a contrived act on the part of Jalen and his
42:08
Speaker 1: agent to get paid. This year. He was making three
42:10
Speaker 1: point six and that's well below what he's worth, clearly
42:14
Speaker 1: well below what he's worth. So there was gonna be something,
42:17
Speaker 1: whether it was that play in Houston or something against
42:20
Speaker 1: the Titans. At some point. They were going to try
42:22
Speaker 1: to get out and get to a bigger market and
42:23
Speaker 1: get somewhere where he was going to get paid this year. Um.
42:26
Speaker 1: I know that sounds Oliver Stone esque, but I believe it.
42:30
Speaker 1: I believe that this was something that they contrived. Here's
42:32
Speaker 1: my confusion is Jalen had made a public that it's
42:35
Speaker 1: not about the money. He doesn't want to it's about
42:38
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, And then this morning on NFL Network
42:40
Speaker 1: they're reporting that Jalen Ramsey will continue to play on
42:43
Speaker 1: his rookie deal and that's why it was such a
42:44
Speaker 1: great self for the Rams to bring him in well
42:46
Speaker 1: for this year. They don't, but they don't. They have
42:48
Speaker 1: less money than the Jaguars do. Right. The Jaguars now
42:51
Speaker 1: have twelve million dollars in salarycap room. The Rams have
42:54
Speaker 1: less than six. It can't be about the money right
42:57
Speaker 1: right now, right unless they do some ridiculous this extension.
43:00
Speaker 1: And you heard Sam Farmer think say that you've got
43:04
Speaker 1: to pay him now, You're giving up all this capital
43:06
Speaker 1: for that. Um, but boy, they have two million dollars
43:10
Speaker 1: in dead money locked up in a cup, four guys.
43:12
Speaker 1: So they've got some salary cap issues that they're going
43:14
Speaker 1: to have to deal with at some point in time.
43:16
Speaker 1: But never believe it when a pro football player says,
43:19
Speaker 1: I don't do this for the money. Yes they do.
43:22
Speaker 1: It's pro ball. It's a violent, dangerous game. Look at
43:25
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, ask him, why are you going back on
43:28
Speaker 1: in the field this week? Is it love at the
43:29
Speaker 1: game or is it the money. Well, there's nowhere else
43:32
Speaker 1: you can get paid for playing a game like this.
43:35
Speaker 1: Game pays you right, unless you're basketball or baseball player.
43:38
Speaker 1: So it's always about the money. It was always about
43:42
Speaker 1: the money with Jalen All. You know another reason why
43:46
Speaker 1: chew up the press conference where he said he'd be
43:48
Speaker 1: here for his guys as long as he's here. That
43:50
Speaker 1: lasted through the Titans game. That was it done that
43:53
Speaker 1: Thursday night? He was finished. Um great player questions, motives.
44:00
Speaker 1: It is what it is. He's gone Now. The Jaguars
44:03
Speaker 1: in order for them to win this trade, they have
44:06
Speaker 1: to have to make smart selections, and you know what,
44:10
Speaker 1: being a smaller market team, you gotta do that anyway.
44:13
Speaker 1: So you now have the leverage to launch yourself the
44:16
Speaker 1: next couple of years. And by the way, it also
44:19
Speaker 1: gives them some salary cap space. It takes thirteen point
44:21
Speaker 1: seven off of next year salary cap because that was
44:23
Speaker 1: the fifth year option for Jalen. Um, that's it. And
44:29
Speaker 1: and and let's let's transition right out of Jalen Ramsey
44:32
Speaker 1: thing right now in a Unique who handled his situation
44:37
Speaker 1: like a professional football player should. Didn't go clown show,
44:41
Speaker 1: didn't go circus, right, he just came in and played
44:46
Speaker 1: my guest now is and and he is a higher
44:48
Speaker 1: character person than Jalen is. So my guess is is
44:53
Speaker 1: that now you will see the Jaguars make a more
44:55
Speaker 1: concerted effort to get a deal done with Unique. It
44:58
Speaker 1: may not happen this calendar year. It maybe right before
45:01
Speaker 1: the season ends. That would be this calendar year. It
45:04
Speaker 1: might have happened today, but I would think sooner rather
45:06
Speaker 1: than later. If you value him, you want to get
45:08
Speaker 1: a deal done for him. He's proved he's deserve it absolutely.
45:12
Speaker 1: And the other thing with Jalen is since you're not
45:13
Speaker 1: going to have to pay him, then maybe you can
45:16
Speaker 1: keep some other players that you didn't necessarily think you
45:19
Speaker 1: could keep. I don't know about him. Um, you may
45:23
Speaker 1: renegotiate well. And and let's just see what a J
45:26
Speaker 1: boy A has Now he's fifteen point five million on
45:28
Speaker 1: your salary cap next year. Uh, he's fift five million
45:31
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe you can create a more palatable cap
45:35
Speaker 1: number for him and find a way to keep him
45:38
Speaker 1: because I had him gone. I mean, he was absolutely gone. Well,
45:43
Speaker 1: you'd like to keep a J but you couldn't. So
45:46
Speaker 1: the question now is is how does he perform and
45:49
Speaker 1: what's he willing to play for and what can you
45:51
Speaker 1: pay him. There's a lot of different moves now that
45:54
Speaker 1: Tom and Dave and their salary cap team can work
45:57
Speaker 1: with because you don't have the over arching, you know,
46:01
Speaker 1: the big balloon that is Jalen's contract. The RAMS have
46:05
Speaker 1: to deal with that. Yeah, and what an opportunity. We
46:08
Speaker 1: haven't even talked about this for a J boy I
46:09
Speaker 1: don't remember where I saw it, but it was reported
46:12
Speaker 1: that after the game on Sunday, he got the DBS
46:14
Speaker 1: together and they went and watch film of their mistakes
46:16
Speaker 1: and he led the charge in that room. That doesn't
46:19
Speaker 1: surprise me at all, not at all. That's I think
46:23
Speaker 1: if you're looking at people who are going to rise
46:25
Speaker 1: from this, a J would be a guy that I
46:27
Speaker 1: would expect that he would he is a high character player.
46:31
Speaker 1: Um he's not Jalen Ramsey, but he is a very
46:33
Speaker 1: good football player. I wouldn't be surprised at all to
46:36
Speaker 1: see him rise out of this. You hope you want
46:38
Speaker 1: to see a guy like that succeed. What I want
46:39
Speaker 1: to see is this locker room. Take this and make
46:43
Speaker 1: it the you know, the steak in the ground, and
46:45
Speaker 1: from here they go forward and win the next two
46:47
Speaker 1: games and go to London four and four, and that
46:49
Speaker 1: way they can truly talk about being in the a
46:52
Speaker 1: f C South Race, which is what Tom Coughlin said
46:55
Speaker 1: in his statement getting into the race. I don't know
46:57
Speaker 1: that it launches them on a long winning streak gets
47:00
Speaker 1: them to the a f C Championship game like it
47:01
Speaker 1: did with Andre Risen that I mentioned earlier. But I
47:04
Speaker 1: really believe that this can get them to a point
47:06
Speaker 1: where they can jump into the race. And that's let
47:10
Speaker 1: me end it with this. If I had told you
47:12
Speaker 1: before opening day that Nick Foles would be done in
47:16
Speaker 1: the first quarter of the first game and Jalen Ramsey
47:19
Speaker 1: would only play three games for you, what chance would
47:21
Speaker 1: you have had for this team to have a winning record? Uh? None? Right,
47:25
Speaker 1: but not yet yet? The next two weeks, Well that's
47:28
Speaker 1: what we are. The next two weeks. They have a
47:29
Speaker 1: chance to get themselves to a position to give themselves
47:32
Speaker 1: a winning record that would say a lot about this
47:34
Speaker 1: coaching staff and this locker room. So let's see him
47:37
Speaker 1: go do it. Doug Brown has done a heck of
47:39
Speaker 1: a job keeping this together. We don't talk enough about it,
47:42
Speaker 1: all right, Speaking of Dug Marone, he has a press
47:44
Speaker 1: conference at eleven o'clock on Jaguars dot com. You can
47:47
Speaker 1: watch that live locker room this afternoon. Stay tuned, Jaguars
47:50
Speaker 1: Happy our world of all the locker room reaction, as
47:53
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