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Meet Bob Pacilio Author of The Revival of Molly O'Toole · Workplace Confessions: Behind Closed Doors

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Workplace Confessions Behind Closed Doors.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Elsa Barbie.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Don Andrews.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have been friends since sixth grade.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere between a car wash job, a few questionable boy choices, and 40 years of friendship, we became the kind of people who always want to know what was really going on, including at work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don spent 25 years as an employment lawyer digging into workplace drama from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I built a long career in the beauty industry as a brand educator with a few TV cameos sprinkled in for fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: We came up in very different industries, but we have the same passion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meeting new people and asking how they got their jobs, what they love, what they can't stand, and what happens behind closed doors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every episode, we talk to a new guest about their lived experience in the world of work.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because our guests stay anonymous, they can spill the truth without the fallout.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get into the choices they made, the tiny cruelties, the surprise kindnesses, and some of the moments that never make it into human resources reports.
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  SPEAKER_02: Equal Parts informative and titillating.
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  SPEAKER_02: This show serves up all the tea while honoring the incredible, complicated, often messy work people are doing across the industries and across the map.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Workplace Confessions Behind Closed Doors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first question is what was your very first paying job?
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, ladies, and it's good to see both of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: My first paying job, I think I was a teaching assistant at La Marata High School, and that's how I got into teaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, boy, that was a long time ago, 1975, probably.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you didn't have a you weren't a paper boy, or there wasn't a gas station.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's a good point, Don.
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  SPEAKER_00: My parents wouldn't let me work or didn't want me to work because I needed to do school.
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  SPEAKER_00: And neither of my folks went to college.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both of them or both Tessie and Louie, my two parents from Brooklyn, they just they didn't know a lot, but they knew that you needed to get an education.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we don't need you to do some nickel and dime job, as my father would say.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just need to do school, as he would say.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to do good at school.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's really what I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I was a teaching assistant and I worked at a Montessori school.
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  SPEAKER_00: I then worked at the library at the college, and I had a lot of little jobs, but really I was in the I was in the education business kind of right from the get-go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we know that you're an author now, but walk us through from your TA position all those years ago to where you're at now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so went from being a TA to driving down to San Diego with an emergency teaching credential.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got I got a lot of things waived because they wanted me there so badly to teach kids and to be a speech and debate coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: 32 years later, I I retired from teaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: But two years before I retired, one of my favorite former students, Jim Rifus, took me to lunch and said, Hey, when are you going to write a book?
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  SPEAKER_00: You you you're everyone thinks you are a good teacher, you're the San Diego County teacher of the year, you should write a book.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so in 2008, I wrote Meetings at the Metaphor Cafe, which is an autobiographical book about four students who see me in a year in their life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that that really got me going on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just because I wrote the book didn't mean that it would be published.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I, but uh another student named Chase came into my room and said, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pictiglio, I heard you wrote a book.
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  SPEAKER_00: I work for Create Space.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll publish it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I had no idea what he was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want it to be a vanity press.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he said, No, it's not a vanity press.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just, you do all the work, we publish it, and we give you 70% of the profit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Okay, sounds like a deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I created my own company of editors, designers, interior designers, photographers, readers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here I am, seven books later, and it's still a self-published author, and that's the name of that's how that whole story goes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, your book, The Metaphor Cafe, is that based on the actual coffee house metaphor?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the metaphor cafe existed.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: In Escondido.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really not a very good place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Coffee was terrible, but funky.
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  SPEAKER_00: And after a while, I started referring to my class room as the Metaphor Cafe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that became that became why the book was titled Meetings at the Metaphor Cafe, because the four kids who tell the story of a year in the life of my American literature class, that's what they called it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, they're fictional characters who were amalgamations of all the different kids I taught over the years.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the actual lessons and the teacher who is teaching them is me, and the lessons are true.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, I've been to many classrooms where teachers will say, I should just teach your book in American literature.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I go, You should.
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  SPEAKER_00: All the story, all the short stories, all the everything is there for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the story behind that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Being a teacher, if you're really good at it, and I was pretty good at it, you haven't, you don't even know the impact you have on people, which is why I wrote the memoir, which is my sixth book called It Was Never About the Books, because I wanted to know how many I wanted people to, I wanted teachers to stay in teaching, all the young kids like you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were quitting and they were disappointed and they were really down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted them to know that there are kids out there that love them and are inspired by them, and that they don't even know, they don't even know it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it might not even be decades later when you find out, wow, this is the person that inspired you to be a CEO in a company.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and so I wrote that particular memoir, and I it talks about the 17 kids that I wrote to who wrote me back and said, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brasilio, of course you were a tremendous influence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't you know that?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were they remembered things I had no idea that I said or or even talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll ask you to wear two different hats today as we ask you some questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first question, maybe start with being an author, would be what's the best thing about being an author?
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  SPEAKER_00: The best thing about being an author is having a purpose, feeling that you're relevant, feeling that somebody wants to hear your voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other great thing is you can be creative.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know where the ideas come from.
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  SPEAKER_00: They come from my past, but they come from my reading.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get in front of the keys of your laptop and just create magic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I write something and I just I lift my hands up the keys and I went, Whoa, I I wrote that's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are times when I read my books at book clubs and I can't believe I wrote it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's just yeah, those are my best answers to that question is it's you feel like you have a purpose and you feel like you're creative.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm fortunate too because I get to write what I want to write.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the reasons why I'm still self-published is that when I've talked talk with agents, they want me to write things that I don't want to write.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to write about vampires, I don't want to write, I don't want violence, I don't really want gratuitous sex, I don't want stupid stories, I just want to write what I think is important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jake Abernoff once said to Taylor Swift, I like my songs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if I like my songs, I just hope people like my songs because I like them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's how I feel about my book.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like my books, and I just hope that people like my books, and that's really it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess if they don't like them, and do you have a different answer for being a teacher?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is the best part?
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  SPEAKER_00: Same answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got to step in front of 180 kids or 150 kids every day who all lean forward and said, What does Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Picchillo think?
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  SPEAKER_00: What what does he know that I don't know?
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows what he knows the real name of the singer Lady Gaga.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Stephanie is Italian and she comes from Brooklyn, New York, just like Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pachillo.
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  SPEAKER_00: How did he know that?
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows why why Plessy versus Ferguson matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows why Atticus Finch defended Tom Robinson.
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows why I have to learn to write a research paper, even if I don't go to college.
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  SPEAKER_00: Matter of fact, you know what he knows?
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows how to teach me to think.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so true.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the most important teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we would be remiss if we didn't talk a little bit about how you taught, because you taught very differently than probably every other English teacher on the planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't want to cast to the side the fact that you taught me about the Oxford comma and how to structure a sentence because I still can picture the whiteboard exercises that we did.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was made me a great writer as a lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you're not the first person to tell me that, John.
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  SPEAKER_00: John Fisk and a whole line of other attorneys have said the same thing, Don, about punctuation.
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  SPEAKER_00: But go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I've become a grammar Nazi and it's all your fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, I tell people that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's my ninth grade English teacher's fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: But but I think that that was such a small part of what you did.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you don't mind just giving us like maybe you're teaching philosophy and talk about how you structured your lessons to incorporate the music of the time, the literature of the time, and then bring us forward to your approach to speech and debate because that was so unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: And talk about readers' theater, because I just think this is something that people would really be interested in.
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  SPEAKER_00: It all begins with a simple thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wrote, I think it was at the beginning of the very first book.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe that teachers need to learn how to teach to kids and not at them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you need to come to the classroom prepared to speak to them, to their time, to their issues.
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  SPEAKER_00: So everything I chose as a teacher to teach, I every story that I chose, every song, everything I picked, I knew that those things would connect with kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for example, I was at a reunion recently and a student came up to me who I didn't remember and said, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pachillio, do you remember teaching the Rolling Stone song Sympathy for the Devil?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I did I do, as a matter of fact.
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  SPEAKER_00: He goes, You have no idea what impact that had on me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because, like, you explain that we often, when things go wrong, we blame some imaginary devil for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the truth is, we're it's our own greed and our own our own foolishness that actually caused the bad things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I listened to this kid and I'm like, yeah, that is what I taught.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good on good on you and good on me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what he remembered.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I selected stories or poems.
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  SPEAKER_00: Matter of fact, there were some books that I did not teach because I felt I felt like they were hurt the kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me give you an example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway.
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  SPEAKER_00: I tried teaching that the first year I taught it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the ending is such a downer.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is so depressing, it is so terrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And war is exactly all of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I looked at the kids and I just the girl dies at the end.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's miserable.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's there's no redeeming ending to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I picked a really famous, not so famous, I didn't realize how famous it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I picked an Ernest Hemingway story called Hills Like White Elephants, instead to teach them because I wanted them to know about Ernest Hemingway.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that story is about a woman who is pregnant, gets pregnant by her boyfriend, and he wants her to abort the fetus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she doesn't want to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think I I think I ran the story off.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did something illegal.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I ran it off from a book.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, this is the one you should.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the other day, I was on I was on some website, and this website said, the 10 greatest short stories you can teach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there it was, hills like white elephants.
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  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't believe it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And talk about a story when you're dealing with juniors and they're they're blossoming into adulthood, they're blue, they're into puberty big time.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're in sex is on their mind 24-7.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here I am talking to them about the whole issue of pregnancy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and I didn't moralize what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just merely said, here's the story, and here's his attitude, and here's her attitude.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and that's the magic that a teacher has to bring.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tom Hanks wrote a book called Uncommon Title.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a bunch of stories in it, but there's one story about a surfer boy and his father.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the story, the boy who idolizes his father, idolizes him, because he taught him to surf.
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  SPEAKER_00: He discovers that his father is sleeping with a neighbor and is completely he has he's lost all he had his father on a pedestal and he realized his father was not really all about the truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I were teaching today, I would teach that story and that Tom Hanks wrote.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so those are just some of the things that I believed in, you know, and of course I would bring in I brought in women singers and women songwriters.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would go nuts over Taylor Swift right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think she is, I think she is an American treasure.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would I I can't even tell you how many songs I would teach by hers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shake it off, of course, is a great one, but there's one song she has called Sacred Ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wait, is that right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sacred Ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because she she she says, I only want to dance with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I dance with you, we're on sacred ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's on her red album.
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  SPEAKER_00: And boy, would I teach that song.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because my attitude, when I taught the song, I would say to kids, look, man, don't settle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dance with the person that when you dance with them, you feel like you're on sacred ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I found that person when I was 29 years of age, and it's my wife of 40 or 41 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just knew that was the girl for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and she knew that I was the guy for her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, because there's a lot of things that I'm not, but I'm not the prettiest face in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's what and I would tell kids that that's really important that your friends at school that they are be with people who treat you on as sacred as you would treat them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, when you teach a message like that to kids, they're all gonna go home and play that song over and over again on their whatever device they have.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those are some of the things about being a teacher that I think you were getting at.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, as for being a debate coach, I taught one very simple thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's teach, let's do the truth, let's argue the truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even though we have to be on both sides of the issue, there has to be truth to the other side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and that, Dawn, is what I pushed all the time with you guys was we have to work really hard, but we but I want to teach the truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we can't teach the truth, then we're making then what are we doing here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're trying, we teachers are trying to teach critical thinking and search for the truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think a good example of that, uh this is a little political, but I think Pete Buttigieg speaks the truth, and he speaks it so well that he can go on a network, Fox, which isn't really even a news network, and he can speak the truth to them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's so darn convincing because it is the truth, it is factual, and there are no alternate facts with Pete.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's just facts.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those are just a few things that I think about when I think about being a debate coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for young people listening today, you should know that Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Picoglio made us spend our summers at the university library doing research by hand on microfiche and in books to prepare for the upcoming debate season.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that is how I spent my high school summers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was right there with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that one of the things that teachers and debate coaches, anybody who's working with young people, man, you got to get down in the ditch with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: You gotta get, you gotta get yourself, your hands muddy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you're gonna make them do something, then you should do it first.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to, when I taught the kids how to do projects, I always did it first.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I show them my project.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I said, look, I did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And okay, yours is gonna be a lot better than mine because I have no artistic ability.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course they always were.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that that that is the that is the recipe for a successful teacher is you gotta do it, and and you gotta read the book, and you gotta take the notes before you teach the book, and that that requires work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because I got one of the things you know this, Don, I always would say to the kids, I'm the dumbest guy in the room, because my SAT score is 880, and that was combined.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means that I got I I got no math skills, and my English skills are not so hot, but what I got that you ain't got is I got desire, I got uh a work ethic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do not give up, and I won't give up on the kids, and you are not giving up on me, and we're gonna get through this together.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the kind of speech I would give.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I want to I wrote something that I'll tell you, I I want to say at the end of this whole spiel, because it's my my end, my ending thing about about being a teacher, but I'll save that for the big finish.
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  SPEAKER_00: What else do you guys want to know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us about readers theater.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, readers theater.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's when I knew that I wanted to be a writer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because when I wrote those, when I wrote the oh, I would write them over Christmas vacation, Don.
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  SPEAKER_00: I all the stuff, or I researched all the stuff, and then I sit down.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is of course before I was married, but I would sit down in my apartment and I would write every day until it was done.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have an editor, I just wrote the dang thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my my assistant, Mark McWilliams, would always type it up and clean it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, I don't know how I figured out to how to write those things or how to put the slides up on the wall that went with things and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just that's what creativity is about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was like so fun for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And tell you about other things that I've done since I've retired that have been so fun like that, that are creative like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that readers theater was an opportunity to have, but well, it was a fundraiser, but it was an opportunity for me to write and for all of you guys to get up on a stage in front of hundreds of people and show your show them your stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And once I was done writing scripts, then we did the last reader's theater we did, and you were in this, Don, was I would have you guys do portions of your presentations that you were doing in speech and debate, because you did part of your oratory.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, I remember that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Vion did, and then some of them debated and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted the people to know what speech and debate was because that's why we kept winning organization of the year, and why we were the Southern California, we were the California state champions.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as you'd also know, Don, I I I ran the workshops and I never farmed everybody out because I didn't trust a lot of the people who were out there farming, making kids do things that I didn't believe in.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were people were very jealous of our program, and they used to ask all the time, how do you do those things?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer is, look, they work hard and I work hard.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I used to watch them debate.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And coaches would say, You go and watch your kids debate.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, Of course I do.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: How else do you know if you're doing any good?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: What basketball coach sends the team out and then goes and gets a beer?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Watch them.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was terrifying.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: When you watched my rounds, I just about peed my pants.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was so awful.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: There are times when I look back, I know one of your questions is about regrets.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the regrets I that I had as a debate coach, and it was that I often felt like I just was I was just too mean sometimes, or I was too hard on everybody.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that when you were with Karen, I I balled you guys out a couple of times.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: But by the same token, you guys were so good.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I was it was a heart, I was heartbroken to know that I had to see two of my teams debate each other to see which one would go to the state tournament because we only had room for one more.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I just that was like the worst moment for me.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just that's why I picked a coach that I respected to judge that debate.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's it I the thing is though, most of the kids knew that when I was balling them out, that meant that I really thought that they could be better.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it was when I didn't talk.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, un the the unsaid thing was that the only time you spent time watching actual debates was for teams you actually thought were good.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't waste your time when I was a freshman.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: You probably like nobody wants to see that.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: I loved watching everybody, I was always so proud of them.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: And and and uh it's crazy because the kids like Kimo Peluso, who got went to Harvard, and it's like a fancy show.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Fancy lawyer now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I lose to look at him and say, Don't even talk right now, okay?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because you need to listen, son.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I guess there was some arrogance that I wish I could have.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: The older me, who then met Pam, my wife, and said, You need to soften up.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: You need you're making people cry.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: And she taught me in my latter years, but especially after speech and debate was done, she really taught me to be a more empathetic and compassionate person.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you gotta grow.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we cried, but I remember my debate partner got a nosebleed after you yelled at us one time.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well it's funny now.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it made going to court and no big deal, that's for sure.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: How else had that?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, first I was thinking the kind of class you should have been teaching in high school was like relationship building.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: There was two, there were two Mr.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Stilios.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: There was the one who taught freshmen, who was very kind of fatherly more.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then there was the one who taught juniors.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the one who who did deal with relationships more.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: I remember one time one of my students got up and played Jules' song, You Were Meant For Me.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I looked at the he was he it was part of his speech.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and a another girl raised her hand and asked him, Do you think that the singer ever got over the guy in the song?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole class, you could hear a pin drop in the class.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy turned to me who made the speech and said, What do you think, Mr.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Pachillo?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that's those were the important days.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: So, Mr.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Pachillo, let's put your let's keep your teacher hat on.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: What, although I feel like it was just a party every day in your class, but what was the hardest part about being a teacher?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Reading papers.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was a killer.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I would take the papers home over spring break, over Christmas break, and over Thanksgiving break.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I would have to read 10 papers a day.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Every day.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a that was it.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the hardest part.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that I will add that thank God we had class size reduction because I had three classes of freshmen that was only 20, 20, and 20.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then I had two junior classes that was 35 and 35.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that I had class size reduction meant that the number of papers, it made it more, more manageable.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: But that's the hardest part of teaching.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then it seems like you you taught a lot outside of what the quote unquote curriculum was and is.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever receive any pushback from the schools that you taught at as far as the progressiveness of your teaching style?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't, I should tell you that it was always in reverse.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was always parents wanting to get their kids in my class.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Never there, but there's only been one kid who ever left my class because he wasn't happy.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's the way it goes.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I guess you know, I fine.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: After I guess 6,000 kids, well, you're gonna have one, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there was one young lady who didn't, her parents didn't want her to read Catcher in the Rye.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: I said, that's fine.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a problem with that.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: She is gonna be in my classroom and I'm gonna be talking about it, and I'll give her something else to read.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: But and it was, I think most of it was a religious thing.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: But but you know what?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was fine with that.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And she was one of my favorite students.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole was her first name, and we we she became my literary magazine editor because when I finished speech and debate, I had to figure out what else I wanted to do.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started the literary magazine, or I got that going, and she was terrific.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: We still have a wonderful relationship to this day.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: I hope she went back and read it because it's phenomenal.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone should read it.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: We all read it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: The biggest point I used to make is kids, Holden Caulfield is like exactly the kind of young man that many of you ought to be.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: When a girl says no, he stops.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, when a girl says stop, he stops.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: When a girl says no, he's he that's it.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: He has a moral code.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And when he sees the F-word being spray painted on a wall, he feels terrible that young kids are seeing that.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that what isn't that the kind of boy you you want who worries about whether when the pond is frozen, do where do the ducks go?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about your publishing industry.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: What you as an author.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you could wave a magic wand and change one thing about this industry, what would it be?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know what it would be as a teacher would be better pay and better respect for teachers, but I don't think there is any magic wand when it comes to publishing.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: I have been one of the books that I wrote, Whitewash, I decided the first book I wrote, I did get an agent.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: I fought and fought, and finally I convinced this lady, I think she just felt sorry for me to be my agent.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then she tried to sell the book, and she said, I can't seem to sell this book.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have sex and violence and vampires and all this crap.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, It's fine.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So when I wrote Whitewash, I thought, yeah, I should try a main, I'll try to go mainstream again.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I actually did.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: I queried 100 agents, and I got two responses.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: One was, we'll think about it.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then she came back and said, No.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And the other one said, I like it.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let me take it up to my higher ups.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, No.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, No.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: How's that?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when I kind of said, you know what?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe this, maybe this isn't isn't the time or the time, the right time, the right whatever.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody said to me, a teacher said to me once, Bob, have you read any books by John Green, or the guy who wrote, he's written a lot of young adult books and all that.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's very famous.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, Oh, yeah, I know, but didn't he write the one with the kids that got cancer and all that?
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, do you know how he got published?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, I have no idea.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Green's family is rich.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: He went to Yale.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: He had all kinds of connections.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Bob, you got nothing.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: You got Tessie and Lewis.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: There were your parents from Brooklyn, New York.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: You've worked worked 30 years in the kid business.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know anybody.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if anybody knew you who would be influential, you'd be a hit.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you just haven't you Oprah doesn't know you yet.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: What is who knows?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna live for that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 70 years of old now.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait for that.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: I just gotta keep doing what I'm doing, and maybe someday someone will see one of my books and say, who is this guy?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: But until that time, I'll just keep plugging.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: What does that kid from Brooklyn, what would he think of where you're at now?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Boy.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that kid from Brooklyn, I went to a Catholic school when we left Brooklyn, and then we went to New Jersey.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Then we left New Jersey and we went to East LA.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I went to Bishop Memorial High School.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And in order to go to that high school, you had to take a test.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: That was bad for me.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: You had to get a 65 to get in, and that's what I got.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Either that or you had to be a football player.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I was we were tracked.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was in the seventh and lowest, dumbest track next to guys who were football players who were asking me if football was one word or two.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I came from the bottom.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think part of coming from the bottom like that made me feel for the kids who were like me.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you asked me what would that kid think, I think that kid would think, man, boy, he sure changed.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: If I hadn't met my debate coach and I hadn't had some of the great teachers that I had who were really inspiring, I don't know where I would have been.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: They taught me to think, they taught me to speak, they taught me to work hard.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and I've been very fortunate to have mentor mentors who had wonderful values of compassion and tolerance.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think my parents had those things.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: My father was probably, if you were alive today, you'd probably say he was a racist.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: My parents were not very well educated at all.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't understand why I wanted to be a teacher.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: My father thought that I was making the biggest mistake in the world.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: I should have been a lawyer so I can make good money.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I was just, I somehow, somehow, I just found the right, I found my people.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then those people guided me.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so that kid from Brooklyn, he would be amazed, I think.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: I hope he would.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of being an author, what is a myth that people believe about you being an author that drives you nuts?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: That a self-published author isn't legit.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: And they all the other one is that a teacher, all teachers only teach because the teachers can't do so they teach.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Those are two two really terribly tragic myths.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: The guy who wrote, the guy who I got him here, Theo of Golden, that guy was a self-published author.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's huge right now, and the Christian world really helped blow him up big time.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a great book.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: I read Theo of Golden, it's fantastic.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: What a positive book.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: It does have a a Christian slant to it, and that's fine too.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: But in order, if you're a self-published author, what most agents will tell you is the moment you self-publish that book, you're dead because no one will pick you up.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that is a lot of hooey.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you can sell a lot of books, it's all about money.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: That guy sold 70,000 books before somebody picked him up.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: I sold probably about, I don't really know, I don't keep track, but I've sold in the thousands.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: But no one book has ever, none of my books have ever gotten anywhere near 10,000 copies.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: You have to get in enormously popular for someone to notice you.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I thought I so that's my answer to your question.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the two things that really drive me nuts.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Let's answer this as a teacher first.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: What was the wildest, weirdest, or most unforgettable thing that you've witnessed at work?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: That I think is the best question that you guys have, although all of them are good.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I have three answers for that.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: They were, number one, the wildest moment was my last day as a teacher.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was with my freshman, and I believe Don was with me when I taught, used to teach at the Dip Poets Society.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: And on the last day, the last class, or second to the last class, I should say, I had two freshman classes, and my already had my juniors the day before.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I went up and I was going to say, kids, I'm going to sign your books.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: This is our last day of class.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you guys had a nice time.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, one of them pushed a button, and it was the soundtrack of the Dead Poet Society.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: And one by one, the kids got up on their desks and said, Oh, Captain, my captain.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I lost it.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ball?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was wearing a baseball hat.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: I put the beak of my hat down and I could not speak.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: All I could see was the shoe tops.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I saw their shoe tops.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: And those kids remember that day.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: A number of them have communicated with me and they have said to me, I remember, I and I remember whose shoes I was looking at.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was the most, probably the most powerful day, one of the most powerful days.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Answer number two, when I decided that I was going to teach the kids to dance.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: And in American literature, I was said, look, if we're going to learn about this whole thing about American literature, and we're on the Great Gatsby and they're learning how to do the Charleston, I'm going to teach you not only the Charleston, I'm going to teach you a whole bunch of dances.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: And my partner, who was a woman, agreed to do this with me.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: And in our combined history and English classes, we taught them the Charleston.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: We taught them the swing.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I told them, I said, listen, if you pay attention to me, I will teach you to do the tango.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the moment I said that, the girls looked at the boys and said, You are going to pay attention.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because I want to learn that.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: That was a great time.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a two-hour dance.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: We practiced for a week and then we danced on final exam day.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: That was our final exam.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: And they came dressed as their characters.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: They had a press pass.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: It had to be somebody from the 20s, 30s, or 40s.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Parents came, grandparents came, the news covered it.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mary Kernan Downey wrote a wonderful essay about the dance of the decades.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And from that moment, of course, once the kids walked into my that was my first year teaching American Lit.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: From the moment the kids walked in, they were the first thing they said to me is, Is this the class with the dance of the decades?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: And finally, my third answer to you is 9-11 was a really powerful day, and it was a really weird day.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And when it was happening, I was driving to school and it was on the radio, and we got to campus, and the teachers all went to the faculty lounge and it was on the news.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now the principal wasn't around, typical, but the teachers all gathered and we were like, What are we going to say?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I walked into my classroom of freshmen, and the freshmen were looking at me, really scared, and they said, What's going on, Mr.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Picillo?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to tell them what was going on.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't have a very good answer that day.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't until the 10-year, the 10th anniversary, and I had been retired at this point, and I came back to Mount Carmel to do a presentation where I used Bruce Springsteen's album, The Rising, and I used several songs from it, along with slides, and I told them what 9-11 meant.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I did that to the to 450 kids who all crammed into the theater.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Then I did it at Los Osos High School to 2,500 kids who climbed who got into their giant theater.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they were the best, they were one of the best audiences ever.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I haven't I haven't done it since.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just waiting for somebody to say to me, hey Bob, why don't you remind us what 9-11 really meant?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: And bring that.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm waiting on that invitation.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think I still have it in me to do it because it's an hour show.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: But but I'd have to really practice.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, or even just a songwriter.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, actually.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever think about becoming about being a songwriter?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, I no, I know.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I did sing the other day, and Don knows I sang three lines.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was there.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: No idea how nervous I was about that.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: I practiced so many times, and I didn't think I could sing the first line because my voice would crack.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: The first line was something like, In every heart.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and I so I said it instead of sing it.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I tried to sing, in every heart, see, I can't hit that note.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, In every heart, and then I sang, there is a room, a sanctuary, safe and warm to heal the wounds of lovers past until a new one comes along.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: But that's about as much music as I can do.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 36:59
  unknown: Mr.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: Picilio, what is next for you?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm promoting my new romance called The Revival of Maleo Tool.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the hardest things about being a writer is, or especially a self-published writer, is getting people to hear about your book.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: I go to a lot, I go to a fair number of book clubs.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've probably spoken to about, I don't know, maybe 25 book clubs over the years.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's getting the word out about a book.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: And Mr.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Picchillo, as we come to a close, can you leave our audience with any parting words, especially when it comes to teachers?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I think.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that if you love what you teach and you love those you teach, then those you teach are gonna love you, and they're gonna love what you taught them.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that applies to teaching, but I think that applies to anybody out there.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you love what you're doing and you love the people that you're doing it with, then they're gonna love you and they're gonna they're gonna follow you.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what leadership is about, whether it's teaching or in any field.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: But you gotta have those two things.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta love what you're doing, and you gotta love the people you're with.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do if you have that, they'll love you and they'll love what you've done.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a lesson that we all know that there those aren't easy things to love what you teach and to love those who you teach it, you know, and that but that's what you gotta have.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have those qualities, you're in the wrong business.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so true.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: You can buy your books.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Amazon.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: The trick for me is you have to know how to spell my last name, P P A C I L I O.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: But on Amazon, all seven of my books are there, and they're there as a Kindle and they're there as paperback.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you you can also buy the new one in Carlsbad at the Carlsbad Village bookstore or Bliss 101 in Incinetis.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: They have a couple of my books.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes people just email me personally and say, hey, I want, I'd like you to, I'd like to buy your book and I'll pay you.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And and and I will then sign it and mail it to them.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: I do a lot of those.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, people ask me a lot of times, how do I get the most money?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how I personally get the most money because Amazon doesn't take their cut.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you guys will probably post my email address, which is rotpacillo at gmail.com, and people can just email me and say, put me in, send me one.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: And with that, we'd like to thank our guest, Mr.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Pacillio, from just a young boy from Brooklyn to a successful author and teacher, I must say.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for joining us today on Workplace Confessions, and we are honored to tell you that you've officially joined the ranks of the brave and the bold.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm honored to be there.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, ladies.
• 39:50
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• 39:52
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