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Hannah Montana: The Movie with Robert Evans and Sophie Lichterman · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zeffen, best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, listeners, it's us.
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  Speaker 3: Ever heard of us? This is a wild This is
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  Speaker 3: a wild episode to introduce, not only because I think
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  Speaker 3: it's one of our most if not our most chaotic
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  Speaker 3: live episode to date, but it also took place five
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  Speaker 3: full months ago, so you're kind of being introduced to
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  Speaker 3: past versions of ourselves. Who knows so much just happened?
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  Speaker 3: Someonech has taken place since this historic episode.
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  Speaker 4: Was recorded, but uh so true.
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  Speaker 3: We were waiting for the summer to release it because
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  Speaker 3: it just feels like a summary episode. Even though we
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  Speaker 3: recorded it in February. You clicked on it, you know
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  Speaker 3: what it is. We covered the Hannah Montana movie with
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  Speaker 3: Robert Evans in front of a live studio audience, and
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  Speaker 3: I threw a knife into the audience by accident.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, which we don't really acknowledge, at least verbally as
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  Speaker 2: it happened on stage. But here's the thing. We live
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  Speaker 2: streamed that show and you can still buy like on
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  Speaker 2: demand tickets for it. So if you want to see
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  Speaker 2: the moment where Jamie, I think you're just sort of
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  Speaker 2: like jokingly like waving around this. It was like a
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  Speaker 2: knife in its case, but it also had smaller knives inside.
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  Speaker 3: Literally I was like, of course, of course, where I
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  Speaker 3: had four or five knives in a single sheath question mark.
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  Speaker 3: I'd assumed it was just the one like machete, but no,
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  Speaker 3: there were also the machete also had sons. I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: All knife stories are about fathers and arts.
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  Speaker 5: And we've been talking about this for years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I did throw a knife into
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  Speaker 3: the audience. I will say quick update.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even think I've.
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  Speaker 3: Told you this, Caitlin, that the person who I almost
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  Speaker 3: hit with a knife, it fell at their feet. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like a you know, missed their head or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that. But again, this is it's such a.
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  Speaker 4: Weird plug for.
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  Speaker 3: Buying the live stream to be like, watch, I almost
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  Speaker 3: really hurt somebody, but you can see it in the
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  Speaker 3: live stream either way. They came to a book promo
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  Speaker 3: show I did at the same venue, Curious Comedy Theater
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  Speaker 3: in Portland several months later and we had a good
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  Speaker 3: laugh about Knifegate, so it's all good. I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to say that at the top. And also just this
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  Speaker 3: episode was so I mean, this episode was so fun
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  Speaker 3: for a lot of reasons, but mainly because I think
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  Speaker 3: it's fun because our show has been on for so
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  Speaker 3: long now that we've like teased the fact that we
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  Speaker 3: would someday do this episode for probably for three or
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  Speaker 3: four years.
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  Speaker 6: Many years, yes, many moons, a lot of sunrise, is
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  Speaker 6: a lot of sunsets since we've been threatening to do
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  Speaker 6: this episode and we did, and it is It was
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  Speaker 6: everything I dreamed and a knife attack.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a treat to do. We had
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  Speaker 2: so much fun and there was a knife but everyone survived.
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  Speaker 2: And also another reason to check out the live stream
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  Speaker 2: if you want to do that, either instead of or
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  Speaker 2: in addition to listening to the audio only episode boring.
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  Speaker 2: But look, we're wearing wigs.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, oh I forgot we were wearing We are wearing wigs.
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  Speaker 2: Our wigs kept falling off, and that's visual comedy is
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  Speaker 2: Robert Evans also wears a wig. You'll see all of
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  Speaker 2: the knives that he brought to this stage and doled out.
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  Speaker 4: To Sophie's there, Sophie.
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  Speaker 3: Sophie came on stage. It was and you can also
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  Speaker 3: see an argument between another person who came to the
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  Speaker 3: rat Dog Show as well. At some point, I accidentally
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  Speaker 3: encouraged Robert and an audience member to get into a
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  Speaker 3: fight about chickens or farms.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, eggs.
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  Speaker 2: It's specifically the number of eggs that get produced. We
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  Speaker 2: cut it out of the episode because it just didn't
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  Speaker 2: translate very well to the audio medium. But but you
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  Speaker 2: can watch that. It's extremely stressful to There's also a
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  Speaker 2: horny looking corn dog apparently or a hot I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's a very phallic hot dog.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that was huge.
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  Speaker 5: It was massive.
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  Speaker 3: Got this show really it's really taking me back to
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  Speaker 3: a simpler time. But it was an altogether menacing night
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  Speaker 3: and I loved every.
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  Speaker 4: Second of it.
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  Speaker 2: Delightful.
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  Speaker 3: So take a trip memory lane with us, and let's
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  Speaker 3: check out the Hannah Montana movie with of course Robert Evans.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you love him from behind the
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  Speaker 3: bastards from it could happen here from all cool Zone
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  Speaker 3: media endeavors. And you know, if you're listening to this show,
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  Speaker 3: you know who Robert is. We love Robert to death
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  Speaker 3: and we have been waiting to I mean, and as
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's a rare privilege for men to be
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  Speaker 3: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: So he paid us for that. No, I'm kidding, he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: We did pay him anyways, and we wanted to plug again.
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  Speaker 3: This actually for those trying to do Bechdle cast continuity.
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  Speaker 3: This was recorded the same night of our show with
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Marshall at Curious Comedy with our Goonies episode, and
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  Speaker 3: we were so lucky to partner with Curious Comedy again.
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  Speaker 3: So we just wanted to shout out everyone there and yeehaw, bitch,
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  Speaker 3: enjoy the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy.
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  Speaker 8: Welcome everybody the Curious Comedy Theater. Make some noise for
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  Speaker 8: the Bechdel cast. Please keep it going for Jamie and Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: The ptr Zephyn bast start changing.
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  Speaker 5: With the cast.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, welcome, we've changed.
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  Speaker 5: The show is pivoted hard okay, Hi, Oh, you're just
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  Speaker 5: gonna be yourself Okay, I guess we hadn't pre planned
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  Speaker 5: a bit. Sorry, my han's gonna be slipping and sliding
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  Speaker 5: off this very real hair.
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  Speaker 2: We we should come up with alter ego names for us. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: such as Kate Lanna Montana.
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  Speaker 5: No notes, I think it's great. I would like to
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  Speaker 5: be Bambi Massachusetts. Oh yes, she's nothing like Hannah Montana
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  Speaker 5: and that's what makes her special.
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  Speaker 4: She can't sing for ship.
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  Speaker 2: Wait what is what is Keanu Reeves's character in Point Break?
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  Speaker 2: His last name Johnny Utah. Okay, I'm Johnny.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you're Johnny Utah's long lost sister.
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  Speaker 4: That's genuinely a great.
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  Speaker 5: That's like a good roller Derby name too. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 5: really powerful. Bamby Massachusetts. Really not much to say about her.
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  Speaker 5: She's mostly uh, just you know, a terrible singer and
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  Speaker 5: basically incompetent. That's that's my alter ego that I like
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  Speaker 5: to slip in and out of love it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome to the Bechtel cap Thank you for guy.
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  Speaker 4: We're so excited you're here. We haven't been.
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  Speaker 5: Oh god, oh no, I think this is just gonna
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  Speaker 5: keep happening. This is we actually got a really like
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  Speaker 5: expensive nice wig for the show, and you can tell
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  Speaker 5: by the fact that it isn't working. It's happening apart. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna really nice wow. Okay, so this is
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  Speaker 5: we're just gonna be balding the whole time. That's totally fine.
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  Speaker 5: But no, we're so excited to be back in Portland.
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  Speaker 5: We haven't been here for three years. Is anyone here
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  Speaker 5: the last time we did a show here?
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  Speaker 4: Wow, welcome back?
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  Speaker 5: Okay? Is anyone here just because they're like a hand
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  Speaker 5: of Montana fan? Is anyone here just like to tell
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  Speaker 5: me the seven things you hate about me? Yeah, we're okay,
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  Speaker 5: we should tell them what.
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  Speaker 4: The show is. Yes, yes, this is the Spectal Cast.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Calin Derante AKA, my name's Joni Utah.
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  Speaker 5: My n is Jamie loftus a pay Bambi Massachusetts. And no,
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  Speaker 5: we're thrilled to be back, and we're thrilled to be
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  Speaker 5: talking about kind of one of the greatest cinematic achievements of.
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  Speaker 4: Our of our era.
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  Speaker 5: I think, yes, this is normally this is our podcast
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  Speaker 5: where we take an intersectional feminist look at your favorite
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  Speaker 5: movies tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really not sure what it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: If you're expecting like really thorough, thoughtful discourse, it's come
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  Speaker 2: to the right place. Yes, that's what will happen here tonight.
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  Speaker 5: When people are talking about like put your thinking caps on,
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  Speaker 5: I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it's so intellectual what you're about.
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  Speaker 4: And see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in fact, one of us might even have
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  Speaker 2: a master's degree. And I would never mention that.
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  Speaker 4: Not so jony, you would never. I would never.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is our show, The Bechtel Cast, where
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  Speaker 2: we analyze movies through and intersectional feminist lens, using the
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  Speaker 2: Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. But Bamby Massachusetts
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  Speaker 2: is that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was a media metric invented by a huge
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  Speaker 5: fan of Bamby Massachusetts, where Gartana is Alison Bechdel.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of versions of the test.
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  Speaker 5: Our version of the test requires that to Hannah Montana's
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  Speaker 5: with names talk to each other about something other than
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  Speaker 5: an identity crisis.
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  Speaker 4: And most movies do not pass this test pretty rare.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, maybe only one movie does yes, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not this one.
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  Speaker 4: It's Fight Club. It actually kind of works. Is Anna
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  Speaker 4: Montana the same movie as I?
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  Speaker 9: Truly?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I've got this in my notes.
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  Speaker 4: I just didn't like It's it's a beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: It's a gift from like Anna Montana and young people
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  Speaker 5: with identity crises. I mean, she was there for us,
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  Speaker 5: and her winning was not good it was. It was thrilling. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so I mean, but we have we have a very
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  Speaker 5: special guest with us, and I also hello to the
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  Speaker 5: live stream.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I guess that's all I have to say there.
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  Speaker 5: And in the last one, I accident I forgot that
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  Speaker 5: I once again insulted the city of San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was like, oh wait, anyone can see this,
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  Speaker 4: they're watching. Yeah, I will not be allowed within the
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  Speaker 4: city limits again.
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  Speaker 5: And that's fucking fine. But we have we have an
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  Speaker 5: amazing guest who is a huge Hannah Montana fan. We've
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  Speaker 5: been and honestly, and I don't mean to like embarrass him,
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  Speaker 5: but like he's been at least once a week. It's
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  Speaker 5: like thirty texts in a row, Like when can I
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  Speaker 5: talk about this subject.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so passionate about people.
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  Speaker 5: You know, people assume I'm like one kind of person,
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  Speaker 5: but really I'm like a number one Hannah stan and
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  Speaker 5: I want to talk about it. I'm like, oh, my god, enough,
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  Speaker 5: that's his alter ego.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest is, oh, a journalist, Oh behind the bastards,
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  Speaker 2: but oh I have an eye.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like okay, but what but what's what's just
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  Speaker 5: beneath their secretly. Yeah, it's a Hannah Montana number one fan.
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  Speaker 5: He's a number one fan of Montana. So let's get
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  Speaker 5: him out here. Uh he's uh, Boston's number one prop comic.
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  Speaker 4: Please give it up.
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  Speaker 7: Foreverada, we prefer to be called Hannah mont Fanas.
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  Speaker 5: So, first off, thank you for breaking I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, holy shit.
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  Speaker 5: Well I feel very safe, I think right now.
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  Speaker 7: Would you like some weapons?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we are in the state of Oregon, which, in
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  Speaker 7: it's very enlightened nature allows the open carry of any
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  Speaker 7: kind of knife. So I brought a couple.
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  Speaker 5: Oh sensing some clenching butthole.
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  Speaker 7: In the crown, and in honor of your corn dog,
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  Speaker 7: I brought you this let's call.
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  Speaker 5: And I just wanted to say. I wanted to shout out,
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  Speaker 5: where's the audience member that gave me the corn dog? Hello?
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  Speaker 5: What's your name? Thank you Max? Because this corn dog
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  Speaker 5: is pornographic that he gave me, absolutely fucking sick. I
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  Speaker 5: will be contacting, uh, the authorities that I don't believe
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  Speaker 5: in her trust. But this is like, I mean, look
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  Speaker 5: at this.
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  Speaker 7: They really do look exactly alike when they say.
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  Speaker 5: All movies are about fathers and sons this is what
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  Speaker 5: they're talking about. Well, I mean, okay, yeah, what is
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  Speaker 5: this called.
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  Speaker 7: It's called a rungu. It's a war.
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  Speaker 4: Club, so it's a it's a whack.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're for it's for hitting stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's a whacker, all right.
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  Speaker 7: Now, this is extremely dangerous, Caitlin. It can't be closed.
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  Speaker 7: We'll just set that down here.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 7: I received that in the mail in an anonymous box
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  Speaker 7: of knives from a fan who said his grandfather had
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  Speaker 7: sort of lost his mind later in life and just
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  Speaker 7: kept ordering knives for the Budca catalog and they couldn't
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  Speaker 7: figure out what to do with them, so they sent
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  Speaker 7: them to me.
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  Speaker 4: Does it.
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  Speaker 7: Does? It's very dangerous. Yeah, I'm gonna if there's no
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  Speaker 7: way to safely carry or transport it.
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  Speaker 4: And yet you did that your bag.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is maybe a ridiculous question, but like, what
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  Speaker 5: is the desired effect for when you like because there's
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  Speaker 5: also like a I'm afraid it's kind of like spring
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  Speaker 5: out and it's not spring loaded.
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  Speaker 7: It's far too heavy for that.
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  Speaker 5: There's a gorgeous angel with huge naturals on this as well,
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  Speaker 5: which you can't see because we're afraid to pick it up.
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  Speaker 7: But fear is a natural reaction to that knife.
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  Speaker 4: If I was using it, what would happen to someone?
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  Speaker 7: Well, you would hurt yourself first. I suspect it doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: I did use it to trim at one point, but
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  Speaker 7: it didn't endwell for me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay?
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  Speaker 5: And then I believe you have two more weapons with you.
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  Speaker 4: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 7: I just got one here for someone else.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, actually I feel like we should get another
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  Speaker 5: woman on stage.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yea better? Feel safe?
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  Speaker 5: Can we actually give me around our producer, Sophie Lichterman?
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  Speaker 4: Much better?
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  Speaker 5: Go way way better.
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  Speaker 4: There's a mic right there. All right, it's it's actually
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  Speaker 4: Sophie Caliphofi.
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  Speaker 5: You're like to be properly introduced next time. Thank you
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  Speaker 5: so much.
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  Speaker 4: What is this weapon you've got?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's very happy that.
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  Speaker 5: Notice how he's afraid when I do this?
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  Speaker 4: And what would that do? Would it give you a
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  Speaker 4: little scrape?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I mean can we open her up? Please? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, my god.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Sophie, you want to keep a drink in one
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  Speaker 7: hand and just kind of wave that. It feels real good.
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  Speaker 4: You never felt happier.
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  Speaker 5: I'm also afraid to move my arm.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's fairly, it's it's blunt. That's the safest kind
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  Speaker 7: of knife.
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  Speaker 5: It makes really yea persa. Yeah, I think I got
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  Speaker 5: the safest one because I can't be trusted.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, this is it's hefty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's hefty, all right.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: I think I feel pretty good about this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be like, trust you with it, Yeah, I do. Well, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it's just kind of a slick surface. It's kind of
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: a water slide situation up there. I do think this
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  Speaker 5: is the first time in Bechdel cast history that we
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  Speaker 5: have invited a male guest on and he immediately approached
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  Speaker 5: us by explaining things to us and introducing act of
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  Speaker 5: violence into the situation.
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  Speaker 7: You made me watch the Hanna moon Hand movie.
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  Speaker 5: I mean fair okay, which you in keeping with the
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  Speaker 5: Laura love I'm okay, I guess I.
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  Speaker 4: God, So if you do, you want to like.
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  Speaker 7: Just jam it there we go?
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  Speaker 4: Would you like to hang hang all right, Marshall, give
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  Speaker 4: it over, Sarah Marshall. She was our guest at our
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  Speaker 4: first show tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Give it up.
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  Speaker 4: If you're at the first show tonight. Yes, so exciting.
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  Speaker 5: I got I got Minions. I got Minions walkie talkies
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  Speaker 5: as a gift after the show, and I was so
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  Speaker 5: fucking thrilled. He's gonna go to different rooms in my
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  Speaker 5: house and be like below over, Coopie over. I'm really
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  Speaker 5: loving the blonde theme here. Yeah, we were gonna bring
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  Speaker 5: you a wig, but you have the natural Hannah. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's incredible. So I guess now that we're all here, yes,
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  Speaker 5: and now that this brain trust has finally come together,
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  Speaker 5: we should do what everyone wants us to do, which
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  Speaker 5: is talk about Hannah Montana under dress. And so, Caitlin,
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  Speaker 5: what is your history with Hannah Montana, the person, the property,
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  Speaker 5: the idea of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you'll never believe this, but I had never seen
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  Speaker 2: any of it until maybe three or four days ago.
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  Speaker 2: I knew about Thank You so much. I knew about
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  Speaker 2: Hannah Montana. I knew that that's how Miley Cyrus got
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  Speaker 2: her start, but I didn't watch any of it the end.
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  Speaker 5: But now you I have watched it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: And then we've watched several episodes of the show Today
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  Speaker 2: again under Duress, most notably Larry David makes a cameo
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  Speaker 2: as himself in the show I was really taken aback
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  Speaker 2: by that.
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  Speaker 4: A season two gem.
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  Speaker 5: He shows up in a Curb Your Enthusiasm style thing,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: he can't get into a restaurant. He's got a baby,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Cassie David him who knows why this is happening. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: we're thrilled and we're cheering and sometimes we're crying. It's
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: an exciting moment. So yeah, that's that's my history. What
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: about you, Jamie.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I love Hannah Montana.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I actually I think I was objectively too old for
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Hannah Montana when it came out, and I was, I mean,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: with all that like Disney Channel stuff of that era.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I was very I was very like bright eyes thirteen
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: year olds. I was like Hannah who And then secretly
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I was feral.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: For Hannah Montana. But I had an amazing friend in
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: junior high, in high school and still now. Her name's Lois,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: and she, like, I think she was like a really
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: important friend to have where when we were not supposed
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: to like things anymore, Lois was just like, no, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: like the Jonas brothers, and we're going to their concert today, asshole, right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: And then we would go and then so I think
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I got like this kind of cool like backdoor experience
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: to that era of pop stars with weird hair, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: I loved it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I had so much fun.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I went to a Hannah Montana concert in junior high
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: and oh you did not, I yeah, yeah I did,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: and she performed It is great. There's like a certain
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: point in the show where she'll like reveal herself to
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: be who we already know where to be, but we're
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: all just playing along for no reason. And then the
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Jonas brothers come out and they have a trampoline and
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: You're like, this is all great. This, I'm loving this.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: So I like watched the first season of the show
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: and then I really and truly was too old to
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: do it, and then I came back for the movie.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah. Part of me is like, should I use
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: one of these knives to cut this tag off? No?
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: No, it's very safe.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not touching that one.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: But I think that we came up with the idea
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: for this episode like five years ago when we were
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: recording and you didn't know who Ariana Grande was. He
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: most certainly did not. Yes, yeah, so that I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: is where this came from. But now, Robert, what's your
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: experience with Hannah Montana. I know it's been a journey.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: Well, I up until about five days ago, I was
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: pretty sure she was Taylor's way, and I'm gonna be honest,
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: the fact that Taylor Swift is in the movie did
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: not entirely disabuse me of that notion I could. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: missed Hannah. So, like, I graduated high school, I think
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: a few years before you did, and a few years
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: before Hannah Montana really became a thing, I think, And
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: so it was just kind of one of those when
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: I dropped out of pop culture briefly to do a
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: lot of drugs, and then I came back and she
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: was very, very famous, and I was like, oh, this
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: is something I missed.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: And to think you could have been watching Hannah Montana
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: on drugs all those years.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: I can't say for certain that I didn't, but it
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: does seem unlikely.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: But now you've seen the movie, and what's your general impression.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I think it was probably the best Hannah Montana movie
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: that you were likely to.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Get very very judicious of you with, with.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: One exception, but we'll get to that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see this is Sophie was to your history
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: with Anna Montana.
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: I definitely watched it when I was a kid, definitely
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: thought too many times out bangs.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm just waiting. No, I'm listening.
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: I'm just gonna make really good eye contact while I
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: tell this. Really thought about bangs.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: You know, all the little guest star pieces are great.
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: I like that Elvis aka Austin Butler does not sound
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: Oh not the first time this has happened between us.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: They're really good corn dogs by the way, whoever got them?
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And then you know, followed Miley through her what
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: did we say? Her I'm no longer a Disney baby
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: song was Oh can't be tamed.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: But she's like in a cage also as a bird,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: she's I mean, and she's like, we're gonna talk about
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: this in pickups later on. But like she's also done
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: some serious cultural appropriation over the years, Like she's her
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: crime are many.
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: She should definitely apologize to Michael Jordan for that one song.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: Thank you to the one person who got that reference.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: And then just all the times you've forced me to
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: watch today for three hours.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, there was a bit of a hostage crisis
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: today when I made people watch Hannah Montana for three
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: hours and every time they were not responding. While I'd
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: be like, you just don't understand.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: We're getting very defensive. Yes I was.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I was kind of I felt myself doing what my
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: therapist tells me not to do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: We just get defensive everythings that aren't important.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: But I was like, no, you just need to see
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: how in the show, like in the movie, Hannah Montana
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: reveals her identity in one way. In the show, Jay
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Leno finds out about her identity and it's a catastrophe,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: it's a whole thing. But we're here to talk about
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: the Hannah Montana movie.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: That's right, So should we should we recap it? We
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: certainly should. It's Caitlin's famous recap.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Folks.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: My gosh, it's like it's okay.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm almost done with my glass of wine.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna need another one soon.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It's it's scary up here, okay.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: So yeah, people love her.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So I just want to provide a little bit of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: context before I do the recap for the movie. But Jamie,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think I need your help. So I think what
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you need to already know about Hannah Montana as a
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: character as an intellectual property, is that Miley Miley Stewart.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, Miley Stewart, Robbie Ray Stewart unacceptable.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: She is just a regular girl, but her alter ego,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Hannah Montana, is super famous, and no one knows Hannah's
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: true identity. No one knows that Miley.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Is kept for her trusted circle exactly Dolly Parton knows.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Dolly Parton knows. In the movie, we realized that her grandmother,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Margot Martindale knows.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Martindale is well aware, and she knows the hoe down
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: throw down, we find knows it by heart.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: She knows a lot of things that Martin heart. Okay,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: So all she does is put on a blonde wig
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: right to become Oh and all we do is talk
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: into a microant. No, that's that is what we do.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the reason she does this, she like is
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: leaving the living the secret life. Is she wants to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: have a normal teen life as.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Someone constantly suffering an identity crisis.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that's what you need to know going in.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So the movie opens with Miley Stewart, that of course,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is Miley Cyrus. She's struggling to get into.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Her own hand.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: The Montana Concert in Los Angeles, Ever, heard of it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: But that's not gonna work here. People aren't there.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Shout out to anyone from LA who's watching the live stream.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Wooms still not playing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: It's not playing there. Somebody in bed watching this is like.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're talking about me.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I think that that's where our shows are best seen
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: from someone who's like watching on their phone, like facing
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: their head, also eating a corn dog. Yeah, it looks
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: just like this.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: So Miley and her best friend Lily played by Emily Osmond.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: They finally get into the show and Miley performs as
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: her alter ego Hannah Montana. Her dad Robbie Ray played
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: by Billy ray Cyrus. Are you okay?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Anything to say? I'm so angry you should be excited,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: he asked.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Kind of the same name as you, Robbie Rays.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: I come here to you, Jane on a Thursday night
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: when I could be doing ketamine, and this is how
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: you repay me.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Robbie Ray evans everybody, Wow, one of the great beautiful.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: So he's Hannah Montana's manager, Is that right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah? His whole thing is he puts on a fake
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: mustache in the show.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm Hannah Montana's manager.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Then he puts on a like Jacques Clouseau mustache he
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: has and everyone's like, yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: He has a soul patch that has to register with
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: everyone in his neighborhood to let them know that he
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: can't be within five hundred feet of a school like that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I have a question the soul patch is.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's more canonical to the character
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: or the man. I don't know. Okay, okay, okay.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Vanessa Williams is also there playing a character named Vita,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: which is Hannah Montana's publicist. Yes, right, And then there's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: also this guy named Oswald, which is this like sleazy
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: tabloid guy who's trying to get this juicy expose style
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: scoop on Hannah Montana.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: That's one of the things I like about the movie
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: is for some reason it has like a very correctly
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: low opinion of the British tabloids specifically, And I was like, yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I guess that that tracks. I wonder like why they're
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: being singled out. I mean, they're horrible, but who knows
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: they've got it in for our Hannah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. So everything is going great in Hannah Montana
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and Miley's life until Miley lets a few Hannah related
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: things get in the way, such as a shoe related
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: brawl with Tyra Banks.
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: Okay, how much do you think would they paid Tyro
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: to be in that movie?
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Also had to learn the hoe down throwdown for the record.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: She does it, and she does it in the credits
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: for like ten seconds and then bales, which I respect
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: because this is what this is what.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: Two thousand and nine nine, So there's that's like peak
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: America what it would that?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: That's peaky TV dime. Yeah. Oh, I mean Tyra's a
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: huge cameo no matter when all nine. Yeah, I'm like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: that's she throws Miley Cyrus over a couch. Oh well
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: she must have done it for free. Yeah. They get
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: into a pretty intense uh you know, and a lot
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: of exchanges in that fight.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Do pass the Bechdel test? That's true? Yeah, and we
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: applaud that it is a flawed.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: So, uh, they're fighting over shoes because women be shopping
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: for shoes. Yes, And also Miley screws up her best
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: friend Lily's birthday party because she shows up as Hannah
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Montana and so all of the sun is taken away
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: from Lily. So Miley's dad, Robbie Ray is like, you
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: need to simmer down and heady.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: You're acting better than Billy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I've never heard a person more actively reading the whole time.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: He's honestly impressive, because I wouldn't have guessed that he could,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: just knowing what I know about Billy Ray.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So he takes her to her hometown of Crowley Corners, Tennessee,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to get away from it all and to visit her grandmother,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Margot Martindale for her birthday character actor Margot Martindale for
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: her birthday, because Miley needs to learn to appreciate what matters,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: because her Hannah persona is just becoming too much.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: This is something that always I mean, Robbie Rays Stewart,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the famous character, He's always like mad at his daughter
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: for having a dual identity, as if he weren't into
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: girl and creating it in the first place. He's like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: you're losing touch with yourself. You fourteen, You're almost fucking loser.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I was like, dude, you had to have signed off
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: on this at some point, and I'm pretty sure she
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: bought your house, right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Why can't you handle this duality that I'm forcing you
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: into as a.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Child with your undeveloped brain.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So Miley goes back to her hometown in Tennessee.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Her grandmother tells Miley about how developers are trying to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: swoop into town to build a huge mall, like do
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: all this like urban sprawl stuff. So the time, I
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: was gonna, Okay, thank you for saying that, because I
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: noticed that both of the shows that we did Live
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Tonight in Portland, The Goonies and Hanna Montana the movie,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: have basically the same premise, which is young person needs
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to do something drastic to save their town that's in
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: danger of being ruined by rich people.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: And I and it would be cool if either Data
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: from the Goonies became a pop star or Miley Cyrus
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: had to go onto a pirate ship in hell, either
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: of these movies I would be perfectly happy with.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yes. So, the town of Crowley Corners is raising funds
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: so that they can pay the taxes on the land
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to keep the developers out. Meanwhile, a couple romances are
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: brewing and they all fucking suck. One is between Robbie
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Ray and a local woman, Laura Lai.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jan Levinson golds so weird.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I don't approve I know, it's like it does bothered me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, I love her, but also it's just like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: now we're sticking Laura Harding with Robbie Ray.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: It doesn't seem fair. And Robbie Ray is not nice
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to He's always like, I'm busy being a parent, and.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: She's like, oh my god, I just said hello, why
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: why did he even get a love interest? Like, bro,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: it's not about you. It's so fucking weird.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: If you think that's weird, what do you hear about
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: his real current love interest?
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, I know.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Roberts made a separate presentation.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Roberts, Oh yeah, all do your show. I got five
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: pages of Billy Red. At some point, if it came
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: very clear that this was going to be a behind
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: the Bastard's about Billy Ray's sire. But I will not
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: accept it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: He printed out notes on the laser jet. I mean,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: it's just a lot.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: That's so menacing, Robert, so menacing. WHOA, I just got
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: my blood pressure just rose and can't wait? What is
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: handwritten on there?
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Can I read it?
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: Please?
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: Do?
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: It says she is the fruit of a poisoned seed.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Now that was about a horse and a half worth
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: of ketamine into my night of research. Do you want
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: to know what else is on the back there?
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an address.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's Billy Ray's home address.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: What's wrong?
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: It was a long night.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: The group text really was becoming concerning at some point,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: so Robbie raised Dandy Chan Levinson Gules and it fucking sucks.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, it sucks.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: What also sucks is Miley and the boy that she
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: used to know from school, Travis.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: They can we just get a big boo for Travis?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: We Travis? Oh my god?
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Why did he get to go to the movie m
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: He seemed like TV series specific. Why did he get
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: to bump up to the movie?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He?
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: I know, I don't even think he was on the show.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure most of the movie is like not
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: even canonical to the show. Shouldn't have been Jake Ryan Jake. Yeah,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: there is a guy named jj which got woo's Travis
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: got booze.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Up said there is I mean there Miley like Miley Stewart.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Miley Stewart had so.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Many boyfriends in that show and they were all like
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: played by a different guy named Cody with the same haircut.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: And then he's always like Miley, I have a big
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: crush on you, and she's like, and I was like, yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: let's watch this for five days.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So Miley and Travis start building a chicken coop together
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of the basis of their relationship. The
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: point is she's getting back to her country roots.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: She then goes to a fundraiser slash open mic night,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you know those things, and Miley performs the Hoedown Throwdown.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, okay, we gotta pop for the Holdown Throwdown. It
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: is a classic, generationally shifting musical sequence. You don't have
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: to like it, but it's history. You do have to
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: do it everyone, Yeah, two.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Three something something somethings some things. Oh, I wrote down
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: all the lyrics. Uh it is pop It, lock It.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Poka, Dotic country fall, yeah something, put your hawk in
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the sky.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wait, I'm sorry. I smells it better than me.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Someone had it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Wait, would you mind just do it on?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Do you know it?
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: All right, let's see.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Sorry to be so scary. Sorry, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: just ate the scariest corn dog of my life.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Sorry, okay, let's let's okay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: So it starts with what hop it, lock It polka, dotic, country,
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: fight it, hip hop, somebody side side sad, jumped to
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: the left, stick it glad, zig zag across the.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Floor, shuffle and diagonal.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, so like a kind of a historic thing that
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: happened there.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Thank you?
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: So wait, what was your name?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Give it up for zav everybody that was well, that
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: was very special.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I loved it. Oh it means and I agree with that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: That is about how young.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: That feels like a song. To misquote Harry Styles. Okay, okay,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: so uh, Miley aspires everyone in town to perform the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Hodeln throw Down, but mister Capitalism shows up and he's like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you'll never raise enough money to stop me from putting
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: out my shopping mall. And then Travis Boo suggests that
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Miley invite Hannah Montana to town to put on a
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: huge benefit concert because Miley had previously mentioned that she
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: knew Hannah, And you're like, Travis, shut the fuck up.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: That's every time Travis speaks my fist clench.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: He thinks he's so fucking.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: Smart, he's gonna make a killing in the egg business.
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: Then with the.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Ugliest chicken coop I've ever seen.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Sorry, his whole art he's like, I'm building a chicken
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: coop and then at the end, Miley Cyrus makes it
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: uglier than it's ever been and he's like, I better
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: date her. It's like uh, and then Travis, for the record,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: never heard from again. She has a totally different boyfriend
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: on the show. She's dating a guitarist named Jesse, who
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: keeps forgetting like his whole Jesse's whole thing I made
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Caitlyn and Sophie watched the episodes today.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Jesse his his brain cells, they're not so good.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: And so her whole thing is like, just don't kiss
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: me when I'm Hannah Montana and he's like, okay, got it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: That night on jay Leno, he kisses her as Hannah
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Montana and jay Leno gets the scoop. It's thrilling. Why
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: is jay Leno on the show? Why is you didn't
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: want Travis on the show?
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: No, I mean we didn't.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I wasn't asking. I didn't want more Travis, but he's
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: just a pretty diabolical character. We didn't really want Jesse either, No,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: we didn't really want the show.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I liked the show.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, So so Travis is like, invite Hannah Montana to town.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: So now Miley has to pretend to bring Hannah to town.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Her friend Lily shows up to help. Hannah is then
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: invited to a dinner with the mayor, but oh no,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: it's at the same time as the date that she
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: has with Travis. Okay, hijik's alert missus doubtfire scene alert,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and so Miley has to like go back and forth
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: between the two events, putting on her Hannah Wig, taking
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: off her Hannah Wig. It's it's a really good storytelling.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: And then Robert, you had, you had.
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: A pretty Travis is waiting for his date, and he
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: keeps getting angrier and angrier as someone who was once
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: a seventeen year old boy. If I had been on
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: a date with a girl and she had not shown
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: up and then come back and apologize, the last thing
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: I would have done is get angry.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: But he's furious. He's quick to anger every single time,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: and you're like, we gotta get.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: He puts his fist through some dry wall. After that,
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: we just don't see that scene.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: That's why it's taking so long to build his damn
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: chicken coob, punching holes in it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And then he figures out that Miley is Montana, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: he's really upset because she lied to him, and is it?
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: What did I say?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I love, here's the thing. You weren't wrong, but you
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: definitely were right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: It's okay, okay.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: So Miley is upset that Travis dumped her for reasons
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that we know about, and she and her dad have
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a heart to heart. They sing a song together. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: guess it's moving, and then it's time for the big concert.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I love when it's time for the big concert.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: It's like, wow, is the third act happening. She starts performing,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: but then she stops and she's like, I can't do this.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I can't lie to you. This is my hometown. You're
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: you know, you're my people, and I'm Miley Cyrus is Stuart,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: not Hannah Montana. So she takes off her wig and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: then she performs a song as Miley, and it seems
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like she's gonna quit being Hannah Montana.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Which this is a while because it seems like she
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: i whatever she wants. It seems like she wants to
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: quit being Hannah Montana at this point, which is like A,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: I mean whatever, there's plenty of reasons, right, and I'm
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: overthinking this. There's like I can see how wanting to
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: be rid of your alter egod, that's good, But it
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: seems like she's like, so I can date Travis, and
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, like, throwing away your career for Travis
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: wouldn't be me.
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, but the way egg prices have gone lately,
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: that might still work out for it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: I was really that that was not your egg joke.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: I do have a lot of problems with the way
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: eggs are depicted.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, well then yeah, please please, that's what our show is.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: You see a chicken coop that has easily thirty to
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: forty chickens. Okay, yeah, Now we see Miley put maybe
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: four or five eggs in her pockets right before she
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: falls and breaks them, and then she only finds one more. Now,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: based on what the outside looks like and based on
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: the way people are dressed, it's clearly shot sometime in
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: spring or early summer, given the weather in Tennessee, that
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: is prime egg making hours. With that many chickens, they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: putting out sixty to eighty eggs a day. I guarantee
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: you each where are the other eggs? Miley?
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: This sounds like the worst social media campaign of all time.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Hashtag where are the other eggs?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Here's my question. When collecting eggs, is it standard to
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: put them in your pocket?
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: No, that's a terrible place for me egg Either way,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: there's something suspicious about the egg count that we see
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: in this film.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I think we can all agree that there's.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: So upset I'm livid.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, and we cannot what.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Something we can all agree on is that she is
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: the fruit of a poisoned seed. I don't believe you
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: that not sober. I think that was sober thoughts. No,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: but look, wow two four zero, No, No, it's okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: I didn't put the zip code on, so there's no
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: way they find it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Caylen has the movie end.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I'd be happy to say, Okay, it's time for the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: big concert. We're in act three. She starts to perform.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, She's like, I can't do this. She takes
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: off her wig. She might quit being Hannah Montana. But
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: then everyone's like, you could still be Hannah Montana and
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: she's like, oh yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: They do the thing that they do Toby Maguire and
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Spider Man two where he reveals his identity and they're like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: we'll keep it to ourselves. Oh yeah, but in a
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: way it like forces her to be Hannah Montana forever
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: because she's like, I'm ready to be myself and they're like, no,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: thank you.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Just kind of like a nightmare.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Right, But that sleazy tabloid guy from the beginning is
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: about to blow her cover, but then he's like, oh wait,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: my daughter's told me not to, so then he doesn't,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and then Miley and Travis kiss and the movie oh yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: we don't like that, and then the movie ends with
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: her performing another song as Hannah. So I guess, no
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: lessons we're learning. What's the takeaway?
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: The takeaway is something, yeah, be yourself to a point,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: which I think is the message of a lot of
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: two thousands children's media.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Be yourself.
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: But the message is if you have a good wig,
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: you can do almost anything. I know, what if you
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: have Hannah Montana's wig.
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: Like I said, I have a practical Hannah Montana related
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: question from the very beginning of the movie. Yes, the
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: song we see here play at that stadium in Los
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Angeles is called best of Both Worlds.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: That's the theme song to the telegay because it's obviously
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: so you're back right now, because people are actually.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: It's nothing against the song, but it's clearly a song
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: about being Hannah Montana and having a thin red alter ego.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: How is that a mystery thing?
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: It's an open secret. There's something I loved about a chance.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: So that's like the theme song to the TV show.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: They make one small change between the TV show and
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: the movie version of that song. In the TV show,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: there's like a line that goes like, you go to
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: movie premiers and then she says, is that Orlando Bloom?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And oh that happens in two thousand and six.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: By two thousand and nine, that line is removed because
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Orlando Bloom is no longer a famous person and you
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: would no longer be excited to see him at a
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: movie premiere.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: True, that song is a classic. I mean, yeah, she is.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: She is, but you would be surprised at how flagrantly
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: she is very obviously not Hannah Montana.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: In the show, it's almost every episode.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Do you have any other like basic questions about Hannah
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Montana that we can we can help you out with?
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: Not no, not that that was about it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: That was a more meaning than I intended to be.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, it is kind of it. It is kind
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: of shitty of her to like when she shows up
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: at her friend's party immediately get up on stage and
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: play a concert if she knows her friend is pissed
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: at her.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: M hmm, no one knew that concert.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, that is true, because there's like moments
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: where with like people in her life seemed constantly frustrated
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: that she has this alter ego when it's so inherent
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to who she is.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: It's like, well, then don't hang out with her if
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: you don't like that, But no one was forcing her.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: She literally is like shrugging at Lily.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: She's like, I'm sorry I had to put on a
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: concert no one asked for with my new.
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: And song to be fair in the pilot that you
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: made me watch at knife Point today, Yeah, and I
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: was like, can.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I tell everyone?
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna tell them your Hannah And then she was like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: don't do that, and she was like why so confusing
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: mixed signals.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: Also, I feel like taking the private jet out there
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: was a significant fraction, yes, of the money that the
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: town needed to raise in order to buy the land
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: from that cellphone.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Look and then take.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: The third of the door take home from that concert.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: She just did and you know that that's also how
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: Taylor Swift got there. Taylor Swift. Okay, Taylor Swift is
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: in the movies as is. We did have any we
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: have managed to not mention that Rascal Flats is at
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Margot Martindale's out.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know. Oh, I would know those gates anywhere,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: baby would.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: It's like you've never seen cars.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I can't the lack of media literacy on this stage
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: right now, it's shocking. Rascal Flats is at the house
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: with Robbie Ray and Margot Martindale and they're singing some
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: piece of shit song because that's what they do. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: liked it. I liked it. Yeah, yeah, I said, I'm sorry,
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I met piece of shit like uh not Pejorida.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, Taylor Swift is at the open Mic night thing,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: right Yeah, that's the end of it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: And they play but I love it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: So during the Taylor Swift song, they're they're cutting around
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: to like a bunch of different conflicts, but most of this,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: like sweet Taylor.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Swift song about teenagers and love.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Takes place while Robbie Ray Stewart is talking to Jan
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: Levinson Gould about how he's a bad.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Boyfriend, which I thought was a good use of Taylor Swift.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: I thought it worked.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Robert, I am very what's going on? What's going on
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: in Want? I know I can see you shaking, ready
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: to read the next? Yeah? Okay, so so is this
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: a behind the Bastard's episode?
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: Now?
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just have a little bit to say
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: about Billy Ray Cyris.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: I have to say.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: The font is not very big.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Most of these are most of these are just notes,
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: but a right, well yeah, no, no, please please let me
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: make sure people can see the address.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about Billy Ray Cyrus, not Robbie Ray Stewart.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Is that correct?
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: Yes? Okay, yeah, because no one has ever been named
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: Robbie Raised, it's not that much.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: So.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: Billy Ray was born August twenty fifth, nineteen sixty one. Now,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: he was born in Flatwoods, Kentucky to Ron Cyrus, a
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: steel worker who became a politician, Which is the first
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: time that his actual background conflicts with the movie, because
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: the movie clearly shows him growing up as a down
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: home farm boy and his dad was like a union
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: man who became a political leader in the state. So wow, yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: that's suspicious, right, uh huh.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: So already a manufactured like every man.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: And also his grandpa was a Pentecostal preacher, which is
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: problematic now he dropped out of Georgetown. He also he
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: went to Georgetown. Fun, I know, right right, Georgetown. I know, yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: very down home and country Billy old was.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: He when Achy Breaky Heart came out.
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: We're getting to Achy Breaky Heart like.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: This like ties into like Taylor Swift is in this
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: like country movie while she's from Pennsylvania.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's like howdy y'all. Like I was, like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: all right, punks a tony Phil Chill aust.
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: It's a lot of appropriation.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Going on day everybody where grownhog days.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: So this is a fun fact. He dropped out of
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: Georgetown in his junior year because he went to a
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: Neil Diamond concert and decided he wanted to become a musician.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: Men can do anything. Wow, so inspiring.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: This brings us to the only notable fact about Billy
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: Ray's musical career. The song Achy Breaky Heart. Okay, it
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: was written by an amateur songwriter, don Van Trust no, no, no,
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: Billy Ray could ever have crafted the intricate lyrics of
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: Achy Breaky Heart, and it was originally recorded by a
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: band called the Marcie Brothers, but their version changed lyrics
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: to be less bad. So when Billy got the song,
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: he was like, no, no, no, let's make it. Keep
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: it shitty series.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Not only did he not write it, but he stole
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: it from somebody else.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: He stole it shamelessly and reached number twenty three on
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: CMT's hundredths Greatest Videos of All Time, number two on
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: VH one's Most awesomely Band Song.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Caitlin needs to tell on themselves really quickly.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, The main thing I did to prep for this episode,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: aside from watching Hannah Montana the movie, is watch the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: music video to Achy Breaky Heart. It is yes, it
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: is not good.
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: No, no, of course not currently.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Him edited concert in like four to three ratio, like
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: aspect ratio. It looks like shit. He has the worst haircut. Imagine,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: terrible song and it's a bad song.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: But Kaylen, you were texting me that you thought.
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: He was.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: A very lead.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: I was waiting for that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: It's a unique kind of shitty song because when Weird
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Al Yankovic parodied it, Weird Al famously one of the
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: nicest people who's ever lived. The only parody he could
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: make was so mean that he donated all of the
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: proceeds from the song to charity. He was like, this
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: is too cruel. I can't profit off of this, but
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: there's no other way to make an achy breaky heart parody.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: God, Okay, you're like one, Yeah, skip ahead, a little
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: sit No, we're done.
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: We're done. We're mostly done. So there's a couple of
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: things I want to note. In April of twenty seventeen,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: he changed his name to Cyrus or the artist formerly
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: known as Billy Ray, and Wikipedia says fans did not
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: like this, but on Live with Kelly and Ryan, Cyrus said,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: I'm here to set the record straight. He assured his
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: fans his name would still be Billy Ray. So that's good.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: Now we get to the sketchy part because Billy Ray.
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: Cyrus also sits on the advisory board of the Parents
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: Television Council, which is an ultra right wing anti art
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: gentleman organization. They lobby against the existence of gangster rap
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: as a legal medium of art. Yeah. It's founded by
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: a guy named Leo Brent Bozel the Third who is
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: the nephew of William F. Buckley.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: How long has he been on that council.
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: For quite a while? I don't have an exact year
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: here because I was pretty high when I wrote this. Also,
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: Cyrus's song We the People was used as the campaign
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: song for George W. Bush during his two thousand presidential run.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: Cyrus was reported as saying that he was a lifelong Democrat.
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: I don't know how much I believe that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a Georgetown University Democrat. That didn't mean anything.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: So the last thing I should note is that in
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: the movie, her mom is dead, right, that's like clearly
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: implied and.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Not just dead.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Brooke Shields then dead.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah yeah, and he is her manager.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: What do you mean by that? Exactly what I said?
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Canonically in the show and the movie, her mom is
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: always dead, but sometimes her ghost comes back and it's
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: Brooks Shields, and Brooke Shields is like, Miley, I'm so
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: proud of you and like and then you're like, what
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: the fuck is going on?
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: It's not like flashbacks. She comes back as a ghost.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: She's not like, but she's like she does yeah, she
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: comes to like advise Miley. The two main female advisors
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: in Miley's life and I view this as a positive
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: are Brooke Shields and Dolly Parton, and that Dolly Parton
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: guessed it on the show many times because she's Miley
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Cyrus's actual godmother. Oh and today we watched the episode
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: where Dolly Parton robs the A V Club or something.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: It was pretty exciting. It was good anyways.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Yes, so it's fun that her mom is dead in
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: the show and Billy Ray is her manager because in
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: real life, her mother, Tish was her manager. Yes, and
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Tish and Billy Ray got divorced in the year two thousand.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: Oh sorry, in April twenty twenty two after a couple
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: of different divorce attempts, and in September of that year,
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: Billy Ray shared a photo of himself with a woman
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: named fire Hose on Instagram. That is her legal name. Okay,
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: the two met over a decade prior on the set
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: of Hannah Montana. Oh no, yeah she is. I mean
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: she's thirty four now now okay, So yeah, there's one
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: one last thing I'll read.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: It's not against the law about how they mess I
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: made him. I met. I was like, how old where
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: they met?
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah? On the set of his daughter.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: Show a little Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: And in one of the stories he gives about how
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: they met, he notes or it's noted, fire Hose came.
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: He's like walking his he's walking his dog. When she
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: comes out of the Hannah Montana set on that given day,
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: Firehouse came out the front door, there was almost a
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: moment of I don't know, recognition. I was like, this
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: girl is a star.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: Back then.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: No, that's what he said, now.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: That he thought back then, that's what he said.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: He thought back then.
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: On his daughter's tea, on his daughter's TV's.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: Getting paid to do off her likeness. I wish fire
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: is the best. I think we should all keep fire
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Hose in our thoughts prayers. Yeah, thoughts and prayers for
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: fire Hose is my is my takeaway. Okay, so that
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: is that? Is that all of Billy Ray's crimes. Do
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: we miss anything?
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: That's that's most of it? Yeah?
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, Kaitlyn, was there anything else that stuck out
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: to you about this movie besides the fact this fucking.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Awesome, so awesome.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: The scene where Travis is like, he comes in, she's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: like in a barn or a chicken coop. I'm not sure,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: and she's singing a song and he's like that song,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: fucking socks, why are you? Oh you're still.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Doing that singing thing?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so it's generic and your song isn't even
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: about anything. First of all, he only heard like two
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: lines of it. Secondly, she did none of her songs
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: were about anything, so what's the problem?
• 58:30
  Speaker 12: And one of our songs is clearly one of her
• 58:35
  Speaker 12: songs is famously about if she were a movie, that's
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: one of her most favorite If we were a movie,
• 58:43
  Speaker 12: you'd be the right guy, I be the best friend
• 58:45
  Speaker 12: that you fall in love with in the end.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: How is that not about something? Cake lamb okay and
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: then all sorry? Her song that goes pop it, lock it,
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: Poka dot it. Can't you care about the power of
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: dan in this guy?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Some things I decide jump to the left, stick it, glad,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: et cetera.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see you doing them.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: I'm getting defensive a man of I can't. It's fine.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: So my point is, uh, Travis sucks. We already knew that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: But in particular in that scene where he's like your
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: art is bad, and it's like, what have you ever
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: done besides making ugly chicken?
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Coop Travis.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Wow, I mean wow, yeah, I yeah. And then it's
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: like all the scenes between Robbie, Ray, Stuart and Miley
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: are always weird because he always is. He always is
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: like walking after her the whole series, and the movie
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: is like, what are you so upset about? And it's like,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: same thing as usual, the split identity you forced me
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: into so you could have this shitty sitcom house next
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: to the beach. Ultimately, I think that Vita is a
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: fun character. I wish she got to do more because
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: it's like, you got Vanessa Williams and you're not gonna
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: let her do more stuff.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: I don't waste my time. I oh that we could.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: We could just get rid of Travis and have so
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: much more fun more Tyra more. I feel like she
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: we still have to cover life Size. That was what
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: I thought when we That was a huge thought. The
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: people people want the life Size episode. Oh, it was
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: a perfect I haven't seen it in twenty years. It's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: probably yeah, I'm sure it ate. It's perfect.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: The people have spoken it's perfect. Oh. And then the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: other thing I wanted to say is that in Hannah, Montana,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: women are not the only ones who are prop falling
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: because Billy Ray or whatever his name is in the movie,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: he prop falls too.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Yay, he knocks a bunch of plates.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: So that is like equity.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: That is like very inherent to this like era of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: like Disney sitcom girls specifically, because if I had, you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: a dollar for every time we got I mean, we've
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: talked about Hillary Duff. She's slipping, sliding all over the place.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Raven Simone just absolutely flying across the rim at a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: moment's notice, Miley Cyrus just careening out of a can
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: and like she's They're just flopping around. Yeah, I love it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: They were our you know, they were the greatest physical
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: comedians of our era.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I like when girl walking and then she fell down.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I look at her, I say, she like me. That's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: also and Robert, you brought this up.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: As far as they like dead mom hurts, she's like
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: the Disney princess are basically, I do want to mention
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: as far as the like father daughter relationship goes the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: parallels to Armageddon.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm listening, Hey you ready.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Single Dade and daughter daughter daughter has a little boyfriend
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: and something is headed their way to destroy their town.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: An asteroid and or American capitalism.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Equally bad things, and the characters need to stop it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: It's true.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: And they do the I mean they do the classic
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: they save the town from the thing sort of kind
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: of and you kind of forget what the threat was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: in the first place, and then there's a really loud
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: song and then you pass out. That's the movie that
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: feels like a movie the.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Big time.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know this until you mentioned it, Robert,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that it was Mildly Cyrus's mother who was herd throughout.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Her entire career.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: And then the movie is like or the Yeah, the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: show in the movie is like, no, it's it was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: Billy Rays or Daddy.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: So that's uh stolen valor the.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: It's the erasure of women's labor, erasure, And that's all
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I have to say.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, so I feel so here's what we know. Yes,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: this movie is good. Yeah, I think that that's the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: conclusion we've come to. However, I feel like, I don't know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: like Caitlin, Sophie and I like we can tap into
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: our natural pop star pretty easily. But Robert, I just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: feel like you've got like a lot of weapons and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: kind of scary notes and I'm just like not getting
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: pop star from you right now? So I wanted to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: don't touch.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: The notes anymore. Please, no one wants to see the address.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: We're gonna put that down, Robert.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: I wanna like we were thinking we would help you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: kind of get in touch with your inner pop star tonight?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: Is that?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Okay? Oh boy, okay, okay.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Let's kick up the music.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: We we've got, We've got a little plan.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: We've got a quiz. I found a quiz on the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: internet called pop star?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: Which are you?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: All right, Robert? If you want to find out which
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: pop star you are, this personality quiz reveals your perfect
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: famous singer match side note, can you name at least
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: three of those people?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: The quiz before the quiz?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's uh Selena Gomez? Is that one of us? Yeah?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: That looks like that looks like there's a Selena Gomez.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: And there's that also, is that Taylor Swift in the strip?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Yes see?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: All right, one more beebs, come on, I've given you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: five years.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: This one justin Bieber?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Really yeah? And that is oh you got he got
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: a little caked out, didn't he?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: And that's famously the woman you called Arianna Grad.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: Wait, which one.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: That's better have a day?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: Just one of the three ladies with Selena go mess.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: Robert's a big fan of rare beauty cosmetic.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna start the quiz.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: Okay, but who the hell is on the left that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: no one knows?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: Oh that name?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: That name means nothing to me, No one's.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: No one's quite sure who that is on the left?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: All right, can we start the quiz?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: The first question, what is your favorite treat?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: I might knowsh potato cheese, pizza, eating out a Nantas
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 11: or chicken nuggets.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, I gotta I gotta say Nando's.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: Eating out at Nanda's. Okay, let's choose that one, Kaylen,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: you're gonna take this next one absolutely Pick a movie
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: or series, Romance, slash Spotify, why are those tubes grouped together?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Not sure this makes sense?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Stify slash action that makes a little more sense, crime
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: slash action or Bollywood drama.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: Thoughts.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of you know, there's some intersecting venn diagress.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: You know it's heartbreaking to think that soon is like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: this will be written by ais, I know, putting hard
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: working writers out of business.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: What are you thinking?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Answer the question.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I have to answer yes, Roberts. Well, I guess
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: I mean my preference in movies is my my preference
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: in real life. So crime action, crime action. I think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: I could go for some crime action.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: All right. Next we have what song do you like most?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 11: This is gonna be rapped Cigarette day Dreams by King
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 11: the Elephant, Get It Right by Diplo and m o Hey,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 11: Jude by the Beatles, or Thriller by Michael Jackson.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: Did you guys hear the latest Cage the Elephant news?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard the Latest Cage the Elephant.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: The lead singer was arrested in New York because people
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: at the hotel noticed when he was in the bathroom
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: yelling at no One that he had a loaded gun
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: in his pants, So he was illegally carrying two forty
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: fives loaded in chambered anyway with singer Rette Daydreams?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 12: Okay, all right, why are you like it?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: All right?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Next quessure Gayla Okay, where do you like to live?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: The four places?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: Well, California and Europe are both acceptable, England and New
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: York are not. Yeah, I guess I'm gonna go with
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: Europe because California is gonna burn down soon.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: I'm fair.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, which car do you like the most? Red car,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: blue car, green car, or red car.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with the green one.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, I like that?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's really gonna hurt the environment real bad.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: None of them are going to be good to the environment.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: But that one looks like Shrek, who is good.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: For the environment?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Shrek Heads. What is your shavorite animal? Tarantula, horses, cats,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: or lion? Well, I guess still somehow there's.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: I can't forgive this quiz for making me between cats
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: and lions, but I'll go with cats.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, good.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Do you know how many nipples a cat has? It's eight?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: That's cat fox with Caitlin like a spider Rubbert.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Which country or region would you like to visit the most?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Eastern Europe, the UK or India.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with why.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: No one's been there before.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: I've drawn the mystery.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: What musical instrument would you like to learn? Ukulele, cello, piano.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: I would only like.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: To sing, yeah, I would only like to sing.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, you're gonna regret saying that. Which personality trait fits you?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: According to your friends and family. Well, okay, Sophie, you
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: can answer this said.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: Being rebellious, being stubborn, being campette on it, or being
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: a dreamer. So me, you should answer this your friends
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: and family. Yeah, I'm gonna go with ask the audience.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry, but the clear answer is compasionate.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: He's a very compati nuts guy. Why all right?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Which what fictional character inspires you the most?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Michael saw from the office.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Fictional character Robin Williams, Willie Wonka or Harry Potter.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: Yea, answer this question.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with Robin Williams, but specifically
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: Robin Williams from One Hour Photo.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: That's a good Robin Williams. Which quote do you agree
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: with the most? All the good girls go to have?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: Be kind to yourself a little more every day. Music
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: is a powerful tool in galvanizing people at an issue
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: or no matter how many times people try to criticize you,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: the best revenge just to prove them wrong.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: Well, I guess the revenge one. I am a revenge Stan.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna go sassy switch out?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: What are you afraid of? The Phantom of the Darkness?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Loneliness being in a crowded place, or drowning.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, I gotta give it to him. They spelled
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: loneliness right, which I was not expecting from this writer.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 10: Your your answers Tepinitely being in a crowded place.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, having been in a couple of crowd crush situations.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: Everyone file out real carefully.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Who would you like to spend an evening with.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Oh boy after fans on or family?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with the loan.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're friends or a sadd What natural element inspires
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: you the most?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: The sky, the ocean, mountains or the desert.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with mountains.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: Yes, a classic element. What is your favorite type of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: sports courseback riding, boxing, football, or soccer?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: What a series of choices. Well, I'm gonna I'm like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: a on an artistic level, I appreciate head injuries, so
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with football. Okay, although boxing, I was.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: Like, there's a loan and falling off a horse you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: could get a break.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: You're right, You're they're all great head injury sports soccer too,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: But I'm gonna go with football.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, this is a really long quiz. Look, look where
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: I was doing exteen of twenty. Okay, what is your
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: favorite time of day? Afternoon, morning, dusk, or night night?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: It's yeah, I don't like that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Did the out of chronological orders?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: What would you do first and make the world a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: better place? Abolishing sexual discrimination, ending all wars, controlling climate change,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: or restoring balance at the global economy. Sorry, you can
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: only be gone. You're gonna seem like a bit no
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: matter what.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Look, controlling climate change sounds like I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: could control the weather, and I could. I could deal
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: with some problems if I could control the weather. So
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with that one control.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: That's the vaguest answer by far.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, select one of the drinks below, rum, vodka, wine,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: or tequila.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: But uh, what is what city is the best place
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: to live for a pop star?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: La?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Paris, London or New York?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, what's furthest away from me? Paris? Let's let's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: keep them far.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, and final question, Oh my gosh, select a super
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: a supernatural power.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: You know that's the.
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  Speaker 5: Grouse awesome invisibility, reading minds, talking and understanding what animals say.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of thorny vinderstanding what animals say.
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  Speaker 4: Flying specifically, and don't press next.
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  Speaker 5: Yet because.
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  Speaker 7: I mean flying with flying right, like that's the only
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  Speaker 7: choice in a list of superpowers that.
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  Speaker 4: Can we get a little drum roll because we're about to.
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  Speaker 7: Get Roberts so excited.
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  Speaker 5: Robert your pop star is you may? Oh no, that
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  Speaker 5: is pretty fucking rough man.
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  Speaker 7: That's not good.
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  Speaker 5: How are you all right? Listen?
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  Speaker 10: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Give it up for Robert. That was very vulnerable of
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  Speaker 4: you to do.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, there you have it listeners. That was
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: our live show recorded again back in February at Curious
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  Speaker 2: Comedy Theater in Portland. We wanted to jump back in
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: though to discuss something that we didn't have time for
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: in the live show. But we wanted to bring up
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  Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus's history of appropriation.
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  Speaker 3: Right, which I think you get a taste of, not
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  Speaker 3: that you would want it and in this movie not
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  Speaker 3: to say that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, at this point Miley is a kid.
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  Speaker 3: She's not really making a lot of her own creative decisions.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it is something that you see very
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  Speaker 3: often in kids media and which is still very white dominated,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Hoddan throwdown. It's a very gentle sort
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: of blend of genres. But I think we're more talking
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  Speaker 3: about how this unfolds in her adult career because it's
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  Speaker 3: been I feel like it's pretty common knowledge that it's
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  Speaker 3: been a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So, Miley Cyrus, along with many other white pop artists,
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  Speaker 2: have a history of appropriating other cultures, often Black culture,
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  Speaker 2: using people of color as props and set dressing in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: music videos, things like that, and these artists profiting from that,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and then when that esthetic doesn't serve them anymore, or
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like in the case of Miley, when she
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  Speaker 2: wants to get back to her country roots, for example,
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  Speaker 2: these artists have the privilege of being able to easily
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  Speaker 2: shed the persona that they had been appropriating.
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  Speaker 3: Right And I think that the sort of most well
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  Speaker 3: known arc of this takes place after the Hannimontana movie,
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  Speaker 3: but surrounds Miley's album Bangers, which came out in twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: which I think appropriated so heavily from black culture that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: it was a topic of discussion in twenty thirteen, which is,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: you know, culturally a thousand years ago, right, But there
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: was a lot of criticism, rightfully, so, around how Miley
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: incorporated black aesthetics into her music and into her music videos,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: and there was also a lot of criticism of using
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  Speaker 3: black women and black dancers essentially as props during this
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  Speaker 3: I think particularly this album, but also just kind of
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  Speaker 3: throughout these couple of years, she generally would not respond
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  Speaker 3: to these criticisms at all or just blow them off,
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  Speaker 3: would not engage with them seriously at all.
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  Speaker 2: Fain ignorance, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: This goes into twenty fifteen, she hosts the MTV Music
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  Speaker 3: Video Music Awards the VMAs in Dreadlocks, and you're just like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't I don't remember that but that and then
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: I saw it and then I was like, well, that's horrible,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: and like you were referencing Caitlin. That came back around
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen when she did an interview in Billboard
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  Speaker 3: when she was sort of going back to country, completely
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: disavowing or really distancing herself from from hip hop in general,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: even though she was very clearly profiting off of off
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: of hip hop for years, like half a decade, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: then she totally I mean, not only in this interview
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  Speaker 3: does she distance herself, she also mocks it, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: just I'm was like, do we want to share quotes
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of this too. It's gross.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to share quotes from that, but I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: would like to share quotes from a teen Vogue article
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  Speaker 2: by Michael arseno entitled Miley Cyrus faces rightful backlash in
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: the light of past cultural appropriation. It's from twenty seventeen.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I'll switch back and forth from like direct quotes and paraphrasing,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: but it's a really good article. We will link it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: in our show notes. But Michael Arseneau speaks about white
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  Speaker 2: child stars trying to make a transition into bona fide
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: adult star and what often happens with that, and how
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus is a prime example of this. So quote.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: When they are younger, their squeaky clean presentation is incredibly profitable,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: but unfortunately for them, they age out and soon run
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: the risk of becoming something that threatens their respective careers. Corny.
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  Speaker 2: They have to do something to hold on to their
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: fan bases, who, like them, are growing up and are
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: in search of new voices and sounds more aligned with
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: their newfound older interests. So they clamor for something that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: will convey rebellion, and they run right to black culture.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Then Michael talks about America's obsession with black culture, which
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: non black Americans generally perceive as cool. But respect for
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: black culture does not extend to the Black people who
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: are creating that culture, as they are the subjects of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: constant racial discrimination. And then Michael goes on to discuss
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: the public backlash against Miley throughout the years regarding her
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: appropriation of hip hop aesthetics and styles, And we already
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: alluded to this, but like the very cringey comments she
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: has made about it, or the ignorance she has feigned
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: about it, things like that, and how easy it is
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: for again white artists to co opt black culture for
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: personal gain, not only like money and profitability, but also
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: as a like strategic like oh, I'm going to co
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  Speaker 2: opt this culture to gain credibility and popularity and get
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: myself to a certain level of fame that I want
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: to be in. And then when it no longer suits
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: an artist like Miley Cyrus, they're able to just shed
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: that persona when they no longer feel it suits their interests.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Right, and I think I mean other And again, like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: you were saying earlier, this is not a problem specific
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: to her. She is one of the more prominent perpetrators
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: in the last ten years. But it's like, also in
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: the last ten years we have you know, Azalea and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Ariana Grande, and I know that I'm missing other white
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: pop stars. And it's also not an issue that's specific
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: to white women, it's white artists writ large.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an interview between Sandersong and Emma Bracy on
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: an episode of teen Vogue's Pop Feminist. We just love
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: teen Vogue, but they talk about a lot of the
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: same things that this article is discussing. And they also
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: cite Katie Perry, Avril Lavine, Gwen Stefani, who all have
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: a history of appropriating East Asian culture. And then like
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: justin Timberlake, so many white artists.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Really name a white pop star.
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  Speaker 3: I think the list is shorter of artists who have
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: not done it in the last twenty years. And you know,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: going back obviously doesn't get better. Thank you for sharing
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: that I hadn't Yeah, I hadn't seen that article.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: And then I'll share one last kind of closing thought
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: from it quote, there is something to be said for
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: an artist having the space to try new things. And
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: for many born of a certain age, hip hop culture
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: has been the defining culture for their entire lives. But
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: if you don't respect these subcultures you borrow from, you
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: are not so much curious as you are a charlatan.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: In a perfect world, black art made by black people
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: would be just as successful as the art made by
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: a white artist who's inspired by it. In an ideal society,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: what black people are vilified for wouldn't be so much
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: more alluring when performed by white people. So yeah, I
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: thought that was just a wonderful article with a lot
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: of great points.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Let's link that in the description all. The last thing
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say was I guess just referencing that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Miley Syer has eventually did respond to these criticisms, not
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: until twenty nineteen that I was able to see. But
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was interesting in the way that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: this happened because I didn't realize. It's a YouTube channel
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: that I watch called As Told by Kenya, a woman
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: named Kenya Wilson. She does great pop culture critique, and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: she released a video in twenty nineteen called Miley Cyrus
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: is My Problematic Fave Sorry, which is a fun title,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: but basically in that she goes through everything that we've
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: spoken about and more in detail and sort of lays
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: out how she feels about how because Milly's been silent
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: on this issue so long, like what is away forward?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Is there a way forward?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: And her personal opinion on like I still enjoy her work,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: So how do I square this as a black woman?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: And Miley Cyrus actually watched and commented on the vide
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: and I mean it's not I just.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: Thought it was interesting.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: I'll share a short quote of what she responded. She said, quote,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: there are decades of inequality that I am aware of,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: but I still have a lot to learn about. Silence
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: is a part of the problem, and I refuse to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: be quiet anymore. Simply said, I fucked up, and I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: sincerely apologize. I'm committed to using my voice for healing,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: change and standing up for what's right.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: Which is very vague.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: But the one thing that did feel, I guess the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: most clear was I own the fact that saying quote
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: this pushed me out of the hip hop scene a
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: little unquote, referencing that twenty seventeen interview was insensitive as
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: it is a privilege to have the ability to dip
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: in and out of the scene, so you know, certainly
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't make anything right. But I also thought it was
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: interesting that this was a conversation that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Is still ongoing and it.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: Doesn't correct anything that was done, but just that that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: was a dialogue between Kenya Wilson and Miley Harris was interesting.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: And I'll send you we can link Kenya's video as well,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: because it is very comprehensive and she's just really fun
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: to watch. I really like her.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah. So yeah, that's just something that we wanted
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: to discuss that we didn't have time for in the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: live show. And what we also failed to do in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: the live show was take the nipple scale seriously. Oh yeah,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: So we're going to give more serious answers for our
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: nipple scale, which is of course the metric we use.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: It is a scale of zero to five nipples based
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: on evaluating the movie through an intersectional feminist lens.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I I'm now remembering why we didn't take it very
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: seriously in the movie or in the episode, because uh,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: this is a very silly movie. I don't know, I
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: guess like one and a half nipples.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I'm like, I truly don't I mean, yeah, yeah,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: one and a half nipples.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I won't say anything any further.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: If you know, you know, I'm going one and a
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: half and I'm giving them to Reco for some reason.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Oh wait who yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you when you're older.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, I'll give my nipples to character actor Margo Martindale.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing. Thank you again to Robert Evans and Too Curious
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Comedy Theater and to the entire audience that came out
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: to that absolutely chaotic, bizarre show. And to Sophie Lichterman.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: We should be thanking her every single episode, but particularly
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: this one, because not only did she was she kind
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: enough to come on stage for the show, but also
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: like put us up and like Sarah's shout out to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Sarah Marshall and Sophie Liuchdterman for giving us a place
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: to lay our perfect, beautiful heads. Yes and yeah, hopefully
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: you know we are planning to be on tour a
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: little bit in the fall, so keep your eyes peeled
• 1:27:37
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• 1:27:40
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  Speaker 3: I feel I'm gonna be so careful that that does
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: not happen again. But could be.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Fun, could be At the very least we will probably
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: eat hot dogs on stage and maybe wear wigs.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting into we're kind of entering our themed
• 1:28:01
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• 1:28:05
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• 1:28:05
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• 1:28:11
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• 1:28:46
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  Speaker 3: to get on your horse or whatever and go hang
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: out with Margot Martindale or whatever.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into the chicken coop and collect three eggs.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: And I'll collect whatever other appropriate number of eggs there
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: are in there.
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  Speaker 4: Bye bye, bye bye