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🍎 RHONY “What a Dump” plus Dish on Whitney and Justin Divorce · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Speaker 1: Drama, darling. Drama, darling. Drama, darling.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back in to Drama Darling. Today is a
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Speaker 2: rony day. Joining me is Deanna Chang. Welcome in to
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Speaker 2: Rony Recaps. Deanna.
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Speaker 3: Oh, wow. We're on an island, you know.
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Speaker 2: Whose is it? It might be mine. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Are we part owners? Hard to say.
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Speaker 2: Hard to say. This just in. Serving dish. Whitney Rose
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Speaker 2: files for divorce from husband Justin after nearly 17 years
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Speaker 2: of marriage. Oh my gosh. And, um, This happened on Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: They tied the knot in 2009. Whitney also filed a
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Speaker 2: parenting plan for her two kids, son Brooks, 13, and
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Speaker 2: daughter Bobby, 16. Page Six was the first to report
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Speaker 2: the news. A rep for Whitney did not immediately respond
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Speaker 2: to People's request for comment. The divorce filing comes three
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Speaker 2: months after a source close to the couple told People
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Speaker 2: that the pair were living separately, so she must have
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Speaker 2: left the upper room. To another location. So they've been
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Speaker 2: living separately for a while now, and they rarely see
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Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 3: Aww.
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Speaker 2: And that is the contributing factor, as we have seen,
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Speaker 2: financial strain.
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Speaker 3: Iris and Beau.
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Speaker 2: A.K.A. Whitney Rose. That's what happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, a.k.a. Whitney Rose or Wild Rose. Wild Rose. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Wild Rose. A.k.a. Whitney Rose. A.k.a. Wild Rose. Wild Rose. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know what? I'm sorry to hear this news.
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Speaker 1: It's awful.
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Speaker 2: We saw it happen. And, like, I get it. Also,
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Speaker 2: gross because, you know, Justin has been hanging out with
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Speaker 2: Chase from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. What do you mean hanging out?
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Speaker 2: Like they're in the same, like they know each other
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Speaker 2: and they're like going to bars and stuff. So that's
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Speaker 2: just not a good look.
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Speaker 3: Quick question. Sorry to ask. Is Chase a man or
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Speaker 3: a woman?
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Speaker 2: Oh, Chase is a man. And Chase is the ex-husband
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Speaker 2: of Miranda on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
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Speaker 3: Okay. So Justin is getting his like single boy on
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Speaker 3: right now. He's like, hey, we out here. We out
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Speaker 3: here in Utah. Let's go. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He's hanging out with the bad boys of dad talk,
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Speaker 2: which technically Chase, I guess, would kind of be part
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Speaker 2: of dad talk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So also just a quick reminder that Secret Lives of
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Speaker 2: Mormon Wives season five breakdown of the psychological aspects of
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Speaker 2: it is going to happen between me and Melissa Reich,
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Speaker 2: the Bish therapist. After this New York recap, I'm hopping
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Speaker 2: on with Melissa and boy, do we have one hell
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Speaker 2: of an outline. And I am so interested. I found
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Speaker 2: season five to be deeply heartbreaking and fascinating with what's
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Speaker 2: happened in these women's lives. I have so many questions
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Speaker 2: about how things happen, why things happen and what her
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Speaker 2: feedback and her opinion will be on all this stuff.
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Speaker 2: So Tune in for that. It's a collab. It will
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Speaker 2: be available on both of our public feeds.
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Speaker 3: Okay. No, that's exciting. I mean, it seems like so
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Speaker 3: much is happening over there. I am actually thinking, you know,
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Speaker 3: Justin and Whitney do have, if they haven't been swingers,
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Speaker 3: like she's talked about opening up their relationship.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's been.
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Speaker 3: If they're not swingers, they're swingers adjacent or swingers, optional swingers.
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Speaker 3: Like they could tap in at any time, you know? Sure.
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Speaker 3: And it is like, I guess they were too senior
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Speaker 3: to be in the Mormon. And I say that with love,
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Speaker 3: you know, but it would be maybe they were too
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Speaker 3: senior to have known or maybe had they known, they
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Speaker 3: would have swung on over there to the early days
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Speaker 3: of the mom talk.
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Speaker 2: Oh, right. Experience. You're saying they're, yeah, they're too, they're
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Speaker 2: too old to be part of mom talk is what
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Speaker 2: you're saying.
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Speaker 3: To be part of that drama that occurred, like that
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Speaker 3: kicked it all off. I see what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: The original swinger.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: With Taylor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, Justin, he may be trying to
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Speaker 2: get in there now, but you know, we don't want that.
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Speaker 3: Disgusting.
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Speaker 2: Everyone in dad talk is like so thirsty. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Right. I did smell that off of them.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Smell it like a Whitney Rose.
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Speaker 3: Right. Okay. I'm sad.
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Speaker 2: I'm sad. It's sad. You don't want to see these,
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Speaker 2: you know, broken relationships. And we care about these housewives.
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Speaker 2: So I'm just sending all the love. It's hard. It's
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Speaker 2: really hard. I understood where Whitney was coming from with
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Speaker 2: giving– she gave Justin full control over, you know, the
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Speaker 2: financial planning of this company. And it was bad decisions.
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 2: Well, because she thought he knew what he was doing,
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Speaker 2: and for all intents and purposes, we thought he did too,
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Speaker 2: but he made a really bad decision. What was his
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Speaker 2: bad decision, Amy? He turned– so he decided to make
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Speaker 2: it into kind of like a– I want to say
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Speaker 2: like a pyramid scheme sort of, like an MLM situation
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Speaker 2: with her company. Yes. Instead of holding out for the
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Speaker 2: big box brands, big box brand stores like Sephora, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So– You know, she just lost the opportunity. And who knows?
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Speaker 2: Who knows? That may not have worked either, though, Deanna.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You just, you take big swings with these companies and
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Speaker 2: with your options, and it doesn't necessarily mean the grass
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Speaker 2: would have been greener on the other side. It may
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Speaker 2: have just, it may have been just as bad, maybe
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Speaker 2: even worse. Who knows?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking right now, you know, you have to go
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Speaker 3: through your philodex of references for Housewives, and I'm thinking
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Speaker 3: of when Candy... I believe she did something like an
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Speaker 3: MLM with her candy-coated nights. Like, she had representatives who
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Speaker 3: would sell, which makes sense because you're going to have,
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Speaker 3: you know, come for sexy parties, you know, like an
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Speaker 3: Avon party. But, like, that seems more fun. I think
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Speaker 3: with such a small line, you know, I think she
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Speaker 3: just had a handful of products, not that many SKUs.
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Speaker 3: There's such a saturation of skincare that you just can't
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Speaker 3: get that energy behind it.
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Speaker 2: No. And I think the business structure for MLMs, and
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Speaker 2: not all MLMs are created the same. So you can
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Speaker 2: have ones that can be deceitful, deceiving, and maybe that
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Speaker 2: is the majority of them. You could have the top
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Speaker 2: pyramid really taking advantage of the bottom and And that
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Speaker 2: is typically how people view, like, an MLM. But there's
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Speaker 2: also some that are really not that bad, where you've
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Speaker 2: got a lot of people who are making money from home,
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Speaker 2: you know, with products that they actually believe in, that
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Speaker 2: they really love. So, you know, there is something to
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Speaker 2: be said about, which is almost, it's almost like being
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Speaker 2: more of an affiliate with getting a percentage than it
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Speaker 2: is about trying to get people under you. And I'm
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Speaker 2: only speaking from, like, I'm an affiliate for Saint Makeup.
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Speaker 2: And it is not a pyramid scheme, but it used
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Speaker 2: to be an MLM. However, and when I joined, it
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Speaker 2: was an MLM. But for me, I did not... There
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Speaker 2: was no pressure to grow people under me. And I
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Speaker 2: never did. And that was never an intent. It was,
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Speaker 2: this is... I still use the makeup every day. I
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Speaker 2: fucking love it. It's amazing. And this is a perfect
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Speaker 2: example of believing in a product that actually works for
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Speaker 2: you and then... by mentioning it and trying to promote it,
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Speaker 2: I get a percentage of what I sell. But now,
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Speaker 2: and then they turned it, thank God, they actually turned
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Speaker 2: it into an affiliate program and not an MLM because
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Speaker 2: it was such a turnoff for people. And I don't
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Speaker 2: want to explain myself. I'm not growing a pyramid scheme.
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Speaker 2: I don't have anybody underneath me.
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Speaker 3: That's a tough sentence to just get out. It doesn't
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Speaker 3: come out clean. I'm not growing. It's just a rough
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Speaker 3: You don't want to be in the position to tell
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Speaker 3: people I'm not growing a pyramid scheme. Like it just
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Speaker 3: doesn't feel great.
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Speaker 1: It's just not.
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Speaker 2: It's not a good look. Yeah. It's a hard sell,
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Speaker 2: which is why I'm so glad that they don't do
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Speaker 2: that anymore because I don't have that baggage because it's
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Speaker 2: like I didn't even want to talk about it anymore.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, this is just makeup I love, whatever.
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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to try to sell it because
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Speaker 2: people are so turned off with that idea. Great. Well,
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Speaker 2: guess what? It's not a pyramid scheme anymore. So if
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Speaker 2: you're interested, hit me up.
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Speaker 3: Plug and you do love that makeup and I see
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Speaker 3: you put it on before like you know you love
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Speaker 3: and are dedicated to that line which is.
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Speaker 2: Amazing 100% but that beside the point is that it
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Speaker 2: can work and like Salt Lake City is the it's
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Speaker 2: like probably the birthplace of these MLMs and they can
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Speaker 2: go so wrong and they can go take advantage of
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Speaker 2: a lot of people and so I think because of
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Speaker 2: their background and their business their business information their business
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Speaker 2: history of like being a part of and understanding MLMs,
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Speaker 2: that was probably Justin's go to. He's like, oh, it's makeup.
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Speaker 3: Oh, MLM.
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Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's not that simple. Like, let's think
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Speaker 2: of a strategy. So I could understand why she'd be
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Speaker 2: so past about it.
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Speaker 3: And it's too bad. The other thing that is like
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Speaker 3: raising a flag and why now I'm getting angry with
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Speaker 3: Justin is that everything to your point has changed. So
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Speaker 3: MLMs and that style of marketing and that style of
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Speaker 3: like person to their tribe, you know, has changed 100%
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Speaker 3: with social media. Right. It's if you want to get
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Speaker 3: out there with product, You just pick up your phone
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Speaker 3: and you're going to get your affiliate links and that's it.
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Speaker 3: And if you have that kind of– if people are
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Speaker 3: that interested in what you have to say, you will
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Speaker 3: make money doing that.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: But it's changed. So the MLMs even on their own
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Speaker 3: for the beauty space specifically make no sense right now.
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Speaker 2: Put it in the archives.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't work. Times have changed. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've moved on from that.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And that in a way, like when you look at,
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Speaker 2: and I hate to like categorize and I don't mean
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Speaker 2: to minimize, but when you look at the Mormon lifestyle
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Speaker 2: and now like we're kind of coming out of Trad Wives.
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Speaker 2: But like, you know, before Trad Wives, it really was
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Speaker 2: like MLM, like let's make money from home. We'll take
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Speaker 2: care of the kids. We'll sell our stuff. And it
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Speaker 2: was way to have like independence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: A way to have independence and a source of income
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Speaker 2: and a way to like have an identity and run
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Speaker 2: a business. And I mean, so in many ways, it
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Speaker 2: served its purpose for empowerment for women in that culture.
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Speaker 2: And then now we are beyond that. And the trad
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Speaker 2: wife thing is a thing of the past too. Women
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Speaker 2: are coming out of that and they're saying like, I
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Speaker 2: can't believe like how I, you know, I fell into this.
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Speaker 2: Like the TikTok thing. wives, you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: Like the Mormon wives. It's, you know, it's nice to
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Speaker 2: see the breaking out of their, the structure of what
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Speaker 2: I think has been very, that has been imprisonment for
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Speaker 2: them in many ways, you know, not a misogynist lifestyle.
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Speaker 3: Patriarchy. Yeah, totally. Totally.
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Speaker 2: So that being said, with Whitney and Justin, in many ways,
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Speaker 2: it's a sort of a deep a deeper multi-dimensional example
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Speaker 2: of how times are changing, not only across the Mormon
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Speaker 2: or ex-Mormon world in relationships, but also in business and
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Speaker 2: how that filters into women. I mean, women are like
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Speaker 2: the number one, you know, customer, right? So like you're
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Speaker 2: going to make all, men know that too. Women are
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Speaker 2: going to make the money for your product. So you
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Speaker 2: better do right by us. And we're not going to
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Speaker 2: stand for it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how her product line was, but I
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Speaker 3: suspect it was not that great. And I say that
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Speaker 3: because it never got buzz. You know, do you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, I don't ever feel like anyone
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Speaker 3: was going crazy for Iris and Bo. And also that
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Speaker 3: name change thing.
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Speaker 2: Bad move.
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Speaker 3: It's really hard.
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Speaker 2: And that was her choice. And I think just because
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Speaker 2: you have a brand on The Real Housewives and your
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Speaker 2: name is your name, it does not mean that your
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Speaker 2: business has to be called that. The money she spent
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Speaker 2: in the brand change was money that is lost on
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Speaker 2: what could have been for promotion for her product. Her
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Speaker 2: story was the most fascinating thing, which is that she
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Speaker 2: always grew up and had skin issues like rosacea and
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Speaker 2: all the stuff. Remember how she talked about that?
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Speaker 3: Kind of.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It was like– and so that would
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Speaker 2: have been her whole thing. It's like– Yeah. What's the
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Speaker 2: other product I use?
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 2: I have it right here. I love this. I use
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Speaker 2: this a lot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I always use this in the summertime because it has SPF. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So this was like– this started on, you know, TV. TV.
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Speaker 2: The TV commercials, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, her story's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Amazing.
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Speaker 2: And Whitney's is similar in that she had a lot
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Speaker 2: of skin problems.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So it would have been interesting to see how she
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Speaker 2: could have done that with the actual skin care itself,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think she had the science behind it either.
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Speaker 3: It seemed like a basic line just looking at it.
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Speaker 3: I did go, like, this morning just to take a
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Speaker 3: quick look after I saw the headline because I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: Iris and Bo took this marriage down.
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Speaker 2: But.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, it just, yeah, I think it just makes
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Speaker 3: me so sad because I do think they love each
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Speaker 3: other and I do think they are good together.
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Speaker 2: And I.
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Speaker 3: Don't feel this needs to be. And I'm like, is
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Speaker 3: it worth it over a failed product? But that's just me.
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Speaker 2: No, I hear you. I think that until he... takes
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Speaker 2: some responsibility for ruining the business and she takes some
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Speaker 2: responsibility for the choices that she made with the business,
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Speaker 2: there's no way out of it because it's just going
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Speaker 2: to be the blame game. And then you don't want
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Speaker 2: to have sex with somebody who ruined your business. It's
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Speaker 2: just like you can't get there. So that's done.
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Speaker 3: But she also should never have handed it over to
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Speaker 3: him and deuced this up. It should have been a
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Speaker 3: major collaboration and conversation. That's insane to me.
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Speaker 2: To me.
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Speaker 3: That's insane.
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Speaker 2: I agree. And I think she... you know, she rolled over.
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Speaker 2: She just thought he had, you know, he could do it.
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Speaker 2: And like, that sucks. That sucks.
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Speaker 3: I think she had spent so much and failed. If
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Speaker 3: I'm now remembering. Yeah. Like she spent so much and
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Speaker 3: it didn't pop off. And so she handed it over
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Speaker 3: to him because he was like, what the freak, you know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And so they both, they both failed miserably.
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Speaker 2: They both failed miserably. And that, you know, you really can't.
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Speaker 2: A marriage can't survive that sometimes, which is why like
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Speaker 2: you don't want to do business with your partner most
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Speaker 2: of the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that sounds like a bad statement to make,
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Speaker 2: but you got to tread lightly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm watching a TV show that is so good
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Speaker 3: right now for reality. I'm just going through what the
16:44
Speaker 3: hell is the name of it, but it's about them.
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Speaker 3: It's on Apple and it's about restaurants getting Michelin stars,
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Speaker 3: knives out or something knives It's excellent. If you like
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Speaker 3: cooking shows, I feel this is an excellent version of
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Speaker 3: going to restaurants and seeing what's working, and they're right
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Speaker 3: on the cusp of getting a Michelin star or getting two.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's giving me an ulcer right now. The restaurant business?
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Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to see the statistics for
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Speaker 2: married couples or parents.
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Speaker 3: Partners. That's what I was going to say. There's so
17:23
Speaker 3: many married couples partnered in these restaurants. And to be honest,
17:29
Speaker 3: I think when it works, it really fucking works because
17:34
Speaker 3: typically what I've been seeing, obviously, and we live in
17:37
Speaker 3: a patriarchal society is the guy's the head chef and
17:40
Speaker 3: the woman is running the house. But you have to
17:44
Speaker 3: have both things when you're going for that Michelin You
17:49
Speaker 3: have to have both things at the level of excellence.
17:55
Speaker 3: And I think to have– like I just think a
17:58
Speaker 3: lot of times what happens is the house falls behind
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Speaker 3: because you just have someone that you've hired who's not
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Speaker 3: as invested.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So that's like– but.
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Speaker 2: You got to have your own blood on the line. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Everyone's blood's on the line.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And it does– it seems to be working in a
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Speaker 3: handful of these scenarios.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It'll work. It'll work, work, work until it doesn't. And
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Speaker 2: then it's like, well, what do you do then? Like,
18:21
Speaker 2: can you survive that is the question. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: sometimes you can. I mean, I worked in the restaurant
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Speaker 2: business for a little while and I witnessed a couple
18:31
Speaker 2: open this restaurant. And then they had kids. Then I
18:36
Speaker 2: stopped working there. Several years later, I'm downtown Detroit. I
18:40
Speaker 2: walk into a restaurant and it's my old boss. And
18:44
Speaker 2: she's like, hi. Oh, she's like, oh, this is a
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Speaker 2: new husband, new restaurant, you know. I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that checks out.
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Speaker 3: You know, so. Totally. It's a beast. It's, it's. Gnarlsville. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Well, now that we covered that. It is. It's a
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Speaker 2: deep conversation, certainly. Let's get into Roni. What an episode.
19:12
Speaker 2: I love Roni right now. You know, I'm proud of
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Speaker 2: Jessel for really leaning into the, I mean, the kind
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Speaker 2: of the villainous person that she is. Like, she's not
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Speaker 2: holding back with those nasty faces she's giving people and
19:31
Speaker 2: the Low down comments that she gives, the completely delusional,
19:37
Speaker 2: out of touch conversations that she has. She truly is
19:44
Speaker 2: just being herself. And I'm happy to see it because.
19:50
Speaker 2: we need villains. And to me, she kind of is
19:54
Speaker 2: one at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
19:57
Speaker 2: I was just, with the insurance thing, I was as
20:02
Speaker 2: appalled as Aaron was. But even more appalled, Deanna, when
20:06
Speaker 2: we saw footage of Daisy and I didn't remember that
20:10
Speaker 2: Daisy actually kind of, she didn't shut it down. And
20:15
Speaker 2: she also didn't like, she kind of fanned the flames
20:18
Speaker 2: a little bit. She just made it seem like also
20:20
Speaker 2: she was a part of it, which I did not expect.
20:24
Speaker 3: It was a good, it was nice coverage to have,
20:27
Speaker 3: you know.
20:28
Speaker 2: Wow. That shocked me. Shocked me.
20:33
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Is Daisy, she's coming in through Psy. So
20:39
Speaker 3: Erin is a new friend, correct? I'm just getting my
20:41
Speaker 3: bearings for a second here. Yes, right? Like her and
20:44
Speaker 3: Erin don't go back.
20:45
Speaker 1: Okay. Yes.
20:46
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like if you're going to drag a
20:48
Speaker 3: bag of bones around, you better have your side of
20:51
Speaker 3: the street pretty clean, you know? And I think this
20:54
Speaker 3: is a newbie who's not quite aware of the rules
21:00
Speaker 3: and the regs, you know? Yeah. I mean, she.
21:03
Speaker 2: Didn't tee it off, you know? She brought out like
21:06
Speaker 2: how horrible the situation is with Aaron, like, oh my God,
21:09
Speaker 2: and now she has this flood. This is awful. And
21:12
Speaker 2: then it became a little bit of a joke where,
21:15
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a nasty joke. And it's a
21:17
Speaker 2: nasty joke to say on TV because you're on TV
21:22
Speaker 2: and now you're going to, you're going to like make
21:26
Speaker 2: some sort of connotation that your cast member is running
21:29
Speaker 2: a scam. And for Jessel to be like, I didn't
21:31
Speaker 2: say scam. I said insurance fraud. I didn't say scam.
21:35
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, she didn't even say fraud. But
21:36
Speaker 2: the point is, it's like, it is the exact same thing.
21:39
Speaker 2: How are you arguing against the facts of what you said?
21:43
Speaker 2: It's crazy to me and very hurtful. And I think
21:48
Speaker 2: Erin deserves to be as angry as she is. What
21:50
Speaker 2: do you think?
21:50
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
21:51
Speaker 3: I agree a thousand percent. I will tell you one
21:54
Speaker 3: additional thing that happened to me. Listening to Jessel say
21:58
Speaker 3: it's an insurance thing. not a fraud. I didn't say
22:01
Speaker 3: it was fraud. I said it was an insurance thing, right?
22:05
Speaker 3: Several times is it actually had me starting to question
22:09
Speaker 3: Jessel and Jessel's moral compass in terms of what she
22:14
Speaker 3: would and wouldn't do, to be honest, because it almost
22:19
Speaker 3: like backfired for me in terms of her as a person.
22:24
Speaker 3: Because I'm like, if you are saying that an insurance
22:27
Speaker 3: thing is not fraud because you seem to be making
22:30
Speaker 3: that distinction, also do you even know the difference between–
22:33
Speaker 3: like do you even know what words mean? Because I'm
22:36
Speaker 3: questioning that after being with you this season as well.
22:40
Speaker 3: Are you an actual idiot? But also– Yeah.
22:45
Speaker 2: It does seem like she didn't– if she doesn't actually
22:49
Speaker 2: understand the difference, that would be a better situation if
22:54
Speaker 2: she genuinely doesn't even know what she's saying and she's
22:57
Speaker 2: just reckless, that could actually be forgiven. Do you actually
23:01
Speaker 2: think she doesn't know what she's saying?
23:03
Speaker 3: I do think she knows what she's saying. I think,
23:09
Speaker 3: I also was thinking that, you know how Lala says
23:12
Speaker 3: like you're in the comments? Like I think Jessel, I
23:15
Speaker 3: also thought Jessel's been in the comments She knows that
23:19
Speaker 3: Aaron has a lot of heat on her in general.
23:21
Speaker 3: She's very polarizing. A lot of people do not like Aaron.
23:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:25
Speaker 3: And I think she was coming from that POV of like,
23:29
Speaker 3: I'm going to get you. And people don't. They love
23:32
Speaker 3: me because they did up until this season and they
23:35
Speaker 3: don't love you. You know, and I'm like, right. You're
23:40
Speaker 3: living in the comments, babe.
23:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does. I mean, when she came to that, remember,
23:44
Speaker 2: she came to that breakfast with Aaron and she had
23:46
Speaker 2: all of her lines on cue cards and she sure does.
23:51
Speaker 2: And she's like, now she's shooting from the hip. I
23:54
Speaker 2: almost prefer her reading from the cue cards because when
23:57
Speaker 2: she shoots from the hip, she's throwing out things that
24:01
Speaker 2: are like, put someone, you know, have a court hearing,
24:06
Speaker 2: you know, somebody could get in actual trouble.
24:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:09
Speaker 2: So I'm glad Daisy told her because I really didn't
24:13
Speaker 2: know if we were going to get there this season.
24:18
Speaker 2: We sure did. So I'm glad for that. And Erica was,
24:23
Speaker 2: you know, chiming along with it and laughing along. And
24:27
Speaker 2: these people, like, they don't understand how intense that statement is. It's, like,
24:33
Speaker 2: so nuts to me. Now, Abe the Babe is going
24:36
Speaker 2: to have a connip. when he hears this, you know?
24:40
Speaker 2: Abe the babe.
24:41
Speaker 3: He's going to have a full connip.
24:47
Speaker 2: It's just bad. Well, it was such a shocker to
24:50
Speaker 2: discover this episode that Daisy was kind of like, oh,
24:54
Speaker 2: you mean like, oh, she did buy some Chanel shoes.
24:57
Speaker 2: Like she was kind of going along with the joke.
25:00
Speaker 2: She didn't seem to have a problem with it.
25:03
Speaker 3: Right.
25:03
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's not going to look good for her.
25:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of didn't take it. I will say, like,
25:09
Speaker 3: I watched this episode with my husband and he was
25:12
Speaker 3: appalled by Daisy from the beginning to the end of
25:14
Speaker 3: this episode. Screaming that she's that he kept saying she's
25:18
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25:22
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25:25
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25:30
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32:32
Speaker 3: Oh my God, that was nuts.
32:38
Speaker 2: That was honestly....
32:42
Speaker 3: One of the crazier things we've seen.
32:44
Speaker 2: It was the most, it is a top five of
32:47
Speaker 2: one of the tackiest things that we've ever seen. I've never,
32:51
Speaker 2: until this episode, made a connection between Ramona and another
32:57
Speaker 2: person before in my life. And I got to tell you,
33:00
Speaker 2: she is giving Ramona vibes. I never would have seen
33:06
Speaker 2: that coming. But, I mean, can't you just see? Who
33:09
Speaker 2: else would say something like that? Ramona. Okay, so who
33:12
Speaker 2: owns this island? Is it just you or somebody else? Oh,
33:16
Speaker 2: there's 700 people? Well, does somebody have like a majority,
33:19
Speaker 2: like a lion's share? Okay. Wait, I read that Richard Branson.
33:23
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I could only see Ramona being
33:25
Speaker 2: that tacky.
33:26
Speaker 3: Right.
33:27
Speaker 2: And honestly, on the flip side, I got to tell you.
33:32
Speaker 2: You needed it. I'm happy to have the information.
33:35
Speaker 3: I needed it too.
33:36
Speaker 2: She didn't give us the information. It was, was it misleading?
33:41
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. However, however, however, when someone says
33:47
Speaker 2: they own a private island and they have the house
33:50
Speaker 2: and they own it, own it, island, you immediately are like,
33:57
Speaker 2: They're the single owner of this island. It's not like
34:01
Speaker 2: a co-op island.
34:05
Speaker 1: Right.
34:05
Speaker 3: I mean, that's... But she's also not lying.
34:08
Speaker 2: I know. That's what's tricky.
34:11
Speaker 3: But, like, if she is from Waco.
34:13
Speaker 2: And she has a whole staff.
34:14
Speaker 3: And a full home that is the size of an island.
34:19
Speaker 2: I know.
34:19
Speaker 3: On its own. Right. I know.
34:22
Speaker 2: Look, I'm sorry. I have to split hairs and say
34:26
Speaker 2: it's different. It's different. So Richard Branson is going to
34:30
Speaker 2: own his own island. There's no one else on it.
34:33
Speaker 2: You would never be like, oh, Richard, who owns this
34:35
Speaker 2: island with you? Who do you share it with?
34:37
Speaker 3: Well, no one.
34:38
Speaker 2: But I partially share Mosquito Island with like six other
34:43
Speaker 2: families because it's right near me. You know, but like
34:47
Speaker 2: with Erica, it's kind of like, well, she probably never
34:51
Speaker 2: even thought that she needed to give them this explanation, obviously.
34:54
Speaker 3: Right.
34:55
Speaker 2: I'm just surprised that it didn't come out in a
34:57
Speaker 2: different way, knowing how humble she is with like, I
35:00
Speaker 2: go to Costco, I wear fake muumuu, I shop on Amazon.
35:04
Speaker 2: You'd think she'd be like, okay, we're going to go
35:06
Speaker 2: to my private island. Don't get your panties in a twist.
35:11
Speaker 2: It's co-owned with seven other families. Like, You know, I
35:15
Speaker 2: just would think that that would be information that you would,
35:18
Speaker 2: I personally would give that information.
35:21
Speaker 3: I would. I hear you. I think she's also on
35:25
Speaker 3: a show called Real Housewives and she's like, what sounds
35:29
Speaker 3: better in this like moment is probably to say my island.
35:34
Speaker 3: I also think when you, as a person who's been
35:38
Speaker 3: a shareholder of quite a few private islands, I do think, JK, JK,
35:43
Speaker 3: I do think that, like, it's possible that in her mind,
35:49
Speaker 3: because that beach, because that whole thing is probably theirs,
35:54
Speaker 3: that we are looking at, the home, the island it's on,
35:58
Speaker 3: the beach it's on.
35:59
Speaker 1: Right.
36:00
Speaker 3: That in her, that is her.
36:03
Speaker 2: Island. Agree.
36:05
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not a
36:08
Speaker 3: shared space. It's not a house on a shared beach.
36:13
Speaker 3: It's like, but I hear you.
36:16
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
36:16
Speaker 2: But on the other side, like if you're in Malibu,
36:20
Speaker 2: like say you're on Catalina Island, right?
36:23
Speaker 3: Right.
36:24
Speaker 2: You're not going to be like, we're going to go
36:27
Speaker 2: to my private island.
36:29
Speaker 3: Right.
36:29
Speaker 2: But you only own this side of it.
36:32
Speaker 3: I think we need to go take a tour of
36:35
Speaker 3: the island and see where the other houses are. I
36:37
Speaker 3: don't need to. And get ourselves situated.
36:38
Speaker 2: I already know.
36:39
Speaker 3: You've got it.
36:39
Speaker 2: There's got to be seven families. There's got to be
36:41
Speaker 2: room for seven other families.
36:43
Speaker 3: So, okay. There's seven houses, you think, right?
36:46
Speaker 1: Yes.
36:47
Speaker 2: Yes.
36:47
Speaker 3: On an island. Unless.
36:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead.
36:51
Speaker 3: Sorry.
36:52
Speaker 1: No, no.
36:53
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking like, you know, we have a private
36:56
Speaker 3: island that we share with seven other.
37:00
Speaker 2: There could be four families that share one house, though.
37:04
Speaker 3: I don't think they're sharing the house. I don't think so.
37:07
Speaker 2: No, no, no. They're not sharing the house. I'm just saying, like,
37:09
Speaker 2: when there's seven other families, there could be, like, three
37:14
Speaker 2: families in one house.
37:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:16
Speaker 2: And then, you know, two in the other, whatever, however
37:20
Speaker 2: it shakes down. So when you think about people who
37:23
Speaker 2: own a jet, a private jet, right?
37:25
Speaker 3: Right.
37:26
Speaker 2: We're going to take my PJ... To the Bahamas.
37:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:32
Speaker 2: I co-own it with someone else, right? You're not going
37:34
Speaker 2: to really like offer up that information necessarily.
37:37
Speaker 1: No.
37:38
Speaker 2: Because it's like you do own it. It's yours.
37:41
Speaker 3: Interesting. Great analogy.
37:43
Speaker 2: Great analogy.
37:44
Speaker 3: Even if you shared it with four people, it's your PJ. Right?
37:51
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. I don't know why this feels a
37:53
Speaker 2: little bit different. It does. I just think it got–
37:56
Speaker 2: I think it got past her. And I think the
37:58
Speaker 2: only reason why it did is because we are petty
38:01
Speaker 2: ass people. Well, right. And we and because we're counting
38:05
Speaker 2: their dollars as they're on this show, we need to
38:08
Speaker 2: know if they're upfront and transparent about what they have
38:11
Speaker 2: and what they don't have. And so I have to
38:13
Speaker 2: tell you, it shifted in my mind when she told
38:15
Speaker 2: me that there are other people on that island.
38:17
Speaker 3: Of course, this didn't mine. And my mind was shifted.
38:20
Speaker 3: There's no two ways about it. Like, it's a different beast. Like, I,
38:24
Speaker 3: you know. like Vicky, like I'm looking, I just, I
38:28
Speaker 3: am checking out the real estate in La Quinta and
38:31
Speaker 3: I came across this one spectacular home, spectacular out of
38:37
Speaker 3: this world. And it was like $ 450, 000. And I'm like, what,
38:42
Speaker 3: what's this? Well, you go into the fine print on
38:45
Speaker 3: Zillow and it's a shared, you, you own an eighth
38:50
Speaker 3: of it. So you, you have to schedule out with
38:54
Speaker 3: eight other people or families or whatever, how you use
38:58
Speaker 3: that home.
39:00
Speaker 2: And so you would call that a co-op situation. Like
39:03
Speaker 2: I own a co-op.
39:05
Speaker 1: Yes.
39:05
Speaker 3: I would not call that.
39:06
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call it. I don't know
39:07
Speaker 2: what you call it. I don't know what you.
39:08
Speaker 3: Call it because if you're just using it, like if
39:11
Speaker 3: you're like, I go there three months a year, I
39:13
Speaker 3: own the house. Yeah. It's crazy.
39:15
Speaker 1: I do.
39:16
Speaker 3: I see what happened I think she's so chill and
39:20
Speaker 3: so like... Yeah, that's... It was so nasty.
39:23
Speaker 2: It was.
39:25
Speaker 3: It was so nasty. And it was... I really appreciated Carol.
39:30
Speaker 3: because Carol is more senior.
39:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:32
Speaker 3: She has lived. I know you didn't mean it like that,
39:36
Speaker 3: but like she, no, I mean it like that. I
39:40
Speaker 3: do mean it like that. She is more senior.
39:42
Speaker 2: Right.
39:43
Speaker 3: And she does, and she has lived a life and
39:46
Speaker 3: she has seen great wealth and you know, For her
39:50
Speaker 3: to be like, wow, I've seen a lot of things.
39:52
Speaker 3: This is really special.
39:54
Speaker 2: Oh, I loved it.
39:54
Speaker 3: It was so important because we're being.
39:57
Speaker 2: Oh, and she had no idea what was going on too.
39:59
Speaker 2: It was like the perfect timing.
40:01
Speaker 3: Yes. And like these fucking rugrats are just, you know.
40:05
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
40:06
Speaker 3: Rugrats.
40:07
Speaker 2: Martha would think this is a dump. I also am
40:11
Speaker 2: obsessed with that. Okay. Because like, look. I don't care
40:16
Speaker 2: about like the decor was fine enough. What the fuck
40:20
Speaker 2: do you want?
40:21
Speaker 3: Like gorgeous to me. I don't know.
40:23
Speaker 2: It looked gorgeous to me. The top level with all
40:26
Speaker 2: those suites look like a, you know, a yacht. I mean,
40:28
Speaker 2: I thought it was really cool. You have your own room. Okay.
40:31
Speaker 2: Aaron's pull out bed. Leaves, you know, a little to
40:35
Speaker 2: be desired. I get it.
40:36
Speaker 1: But.
40:37
Speaker 3: There was a mattress topper. I'm sure it was like
40:39
Speaker 3: cloud soft. But go on.
40:41
Speaker 2: You know. But there are bars. You know, there's going
40:44
Speaker 2: to be bars under there.
40:45
Speaker 3: Depends. It might be a trundle. It might be a trundle.
40:48
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Because a trundle. Did we see the bars? Well,
40:52
Speaker 2: I saw the.
40:52
Speaker 3: I have a trundle coming, Amy. I have a trundle
40:54
Speaker 3: arriving in the next few weeks. Okay?
40:58
Speaker 2: I have a pull-out bed myself. And it has a
41:00
Speaker 2: mattress topper on it. And my parents are very comfortable.
41:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:04
Speaker 2: So I don't have a problem with it but I
41:06
Speaker 2: don't co-own an island so I don't need to be
41:08
Speaker 2: like picked over or like you know raked over the
41:12
Speaker 2: coals but the point is is.
41:14
Speaker 3: That I'm dead they are we.
41:17
Speaker 2: Have popcorn ceiling is the one who's calling her out
41:20
Speaker 2: on this which by the way there's nothing wrong with
41:22
Speaker 2: a popcorn ceiling and I also learned someone messaged me
41:25
Speaker 2: they're like I feel really bad about my popcorn ceiling
41:27
Speaker 2: now I'm like babe we've all had popcorn ceilings before
41:31
Speaker 2: and not only that but Shave it down, honey.
41:35
Speaker 3: Shave it down.
41:35
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
41:37
Speaker 3: Right.
41:37
Speaker 2: But you know what? It's used in some situations and
41:40
Speaker 2: a lot of times in apartments for noise.
41:42
Speaker 3: Sound.
41:43
Speaker 2: Cancel. Yes.
41:44
Speaker 3: Keep it.
41:45
Speaker 1: It's wonderful.
41:45
Speaker 2: It's a noise-canceling situation. That's what it is for.
41:49
Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
41:51
Speaker 2: Okay. So anyway.
41:54
Speaker 3: Okay.
41:54
Speaker 2: So let me just quote what these fucking bishes said
41:58
Speaker 2: about this place. I can't. With the mics on.
42:02
Speaker 3: Erin. Erin.
42:03
Speaker 2: I'm not impressed. They have no style. I thought we
42:07
Speaker 2: were going to a private island. This is just a
42:10
Speaker 2: house on an island. Which, that also, that kind of
42:15
Speaker 2: did not make sense, which you need, anyway. Daisy. Martha
42:19
Speaker 2: would think this was a dump. Why didn't we fly
42:23
Speaker 2: private here? Wow. Erin.
42:26
Speaker 3: Nasty. You can't show these people anything. I swear to God,
42:30
Speaker 3: you cannot take them around.
42:32
Speaker 2: They will. They're nasty.
42:34
Speaker 3: Find. They will drag you to fill.
42:37
Speaker 1: Wow.
42:37
Speaker 3: No matter what. No matter what.
42:39
Speaker 1: No.
42:40
Speaker 2: And they can't. And they look in your own room,
42:43
Speaker 2: you know, look in your own bank before you start
42:47
Speaker 2: saying this. I was appalled with Daisy. It was crazy.
42:54
Speaker 3: And Aaron.
42:54
Speaker 2: And Aaron. And Aaron. Of course appalled at Aaron. But
42:57
Speaker 2: it didn't surprise me. Right. It surprised me with Daisy. Right.
43:02
Speaker 3: Well, of course, because she seemed everything we we've seen.
43:05
Speaker 3: She has, you know, a mess on the countertop. We
43:08
Speaker 3: couldn't even differentiate the mess on the countertop in her
43:11
Speaker 3: apartment to the one in her parents because there was
43:13
Speaker 3: such continuity. And so, you know, we are letting you live.
43:19
Speaker 3: We're letting you live.
43:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:20
Speaker 3: You know, in your rent control department, you seem to
43:24
Speaker 3: be concerned about sign or finances at first, but now
43:27
Speaker 3: I know you're petty.
43:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:28
Speaker 3: You're nasty. Yeah. You're a nasty little girl.
43:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you also didn't defend Erin when they were
43:35
Speaker 2: talking about the flood insurance scam.
43:38
Speaker 3: No, you're confused. You are Martha's makeup artist. And when
43:42
Speaker 3: she decides, if she decides to get another one, you
43:45
Speaker 3: don't leave with any kind of package honey okay you
43:50
Speaker 3: don't leave with any maybe you don't get any points
43:54
Speaker 3: so if she doesn't like how you're doing on this
43:56
Speaker 3: trip please know you'd be talking her name around she
44:01
Speaker 3: may not like this you.
44:02
Speaker 2: Know that all you know that handwritten calendar that was
44:05
Speaker 2: out on that table at lunch with the PR agent
44:09
Speaker 2: you know it's in pencil okay it's.
44:11
Speaker 3: In pencil baby it's boom boom boom boom bam quick
44:14
Speaker 3: erase Yeah. Erased shavings in the wind. Good night. Good night.
44:20
Speaker 2: Good night. She can easily put someone else on a
44:22
Speaker 2: camel next to her.
44:24
Speaker 3: She's already concerned about the schedule. So please gather yourself
44:31
Speaker 3: and just get some more makeup. Get some more clients
44:35
Speaker 3: in the bank before you burn crash and burn off
44:38
Speaker 3: this off of Martha's calendar.
44:41
Speaker 2: And to put some respect on makeup artists names.
44:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:46
Speaker 2: Fuck you, Jessel, and your stupid ass demeaning comment about
44:54
Speaker 2: stick to face painting. Nasty.
44:57
Speaker 3: Jessel's on her own island.
45:00
Speaker 2: Guess who, when you sit into the next glam chair,
45:03
Speaker 2: I hope they put so much white eyeliner in your
45:08
Speaker 2: water ass line. And I hope they fucking put your
45:13
Speaker 2: cheeks on blast.
45:16
Speaker 3: It's not the time nor is it the place to
45:18
Speaker 3: be demeaning.
45:21
Speaker 2: To someone.
45:22
Speaker 3: I know we're both screaming at Daisy and defending Daisy
45:27
Speaker 3: in the same sense.
45:28
Speaker 2: I'm defending her profession. That's that.
45:31
Speaker 1: Okay.
45:32
Speaker 2: You know, I know some makeup artists. Shout out Dawn Bliss.
45:34
Speaker 3: Of course.
45:36
Speaker 2: Fabulous. Check her out. Dawn Bliss Beauty. Hi.
45:39
Speaker 1: Hi.
45:40
Speaker 3: Hey, girl.
45:41
Speaker 2: And like, I just I don't like when people come
45:44
Speaker 2: for someone's business specialty. I mean, I know that's what
45:50
Speaker 2: they do here, but whatever. By the way, Erin throwing
45:53
Speaker 2: down in that same conversation that she's not going to
45:56
Speaker 2: release shit that she knows about Jessel because it would
45:59
Speaker 2: ruin her family. Give her 24 hours because, you know,
46:03
Speaker 2: it's coming out at the next dinner. So what is this?
46:07
Speaker 3: I think it has to do with her husband.
46:09
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking too.
46:11
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, how can it not?
46:12
Speaker 2: Of course.
46:13
Speaker 3: What is he up to? Like Jessel, that's the other
46:17
Speaker 3: thing is you're running and gunning in every direction and
46:21
Speaker 3: your husband is setting up a $ 20 tripod and over
46:26
Speaker 3: a sandwich and we don't care. Okay. We do not.
46:30
Speaker 2: Credit to the tripod because I have looked into those.
46:35
Speaker 2: They are expensive. When you've got to do the ones
46:37
Speaker 2: that are overhead, it's a little more than $ 20. And
46:41
Speaker 2: so I'm going to put some respect on that overhead tripod.
46:44
Speaker 3: Do we see him with an overhead tripod?
46:46
Speaker 2: Oh.
46:47
Speaker 3: I have not seen it yet. Have you? Did he
46:50
Speaker 3: have an overhead one?
46:50
Speaker 2: No, but you said that you were saying he's got
46:53
Speaker 2: a tripod overhead.
46:54
Speaker 3: I saw him with something. It wasn't overhead.
46:56
Speaker 2: Oh.
46:57
Speaker 3: It was a little.
46:58
Speaker 2: So then we're back down to $ 20.
47:01
Speaker 3: I don't know that he is even... It's like he
47:04
Speaker 3: looks like he's managing his own. It's a disaster. OK,
47:09
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's a full disaster. Nobody cares.
47:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:13
Speaker 3: What was your job before, sir? Whatever this is, is
47:17
Speaker 3: a hobby. And until it's not a hobby, if it
47:22
Speaker 3: makes money from that hobby, go fight when. But it
47:25
Speaker 3: seems like you've chose. I believe you had a career
47:29
Speaker 3: and it seems like you have left it. to talk
47:33
Speaker 3: about sandwiches. So Jessel, please.
47:36
Speaker 2: Jessel, please just know that we pivoted and we're coming
47:38
Speaker 2: for your whole family right now. We're moving on to
47:40
Speaker 2: your husband. Oh, by the way. Psy and this whole big,
47:46
Speaker 2: the filing, the filing. Her kids go upstate with Craig.
47:51
Speaker 1: Nasty.
47:52
Speaker 2: No idea his name was Craig. I'm like, wasn't it David? David.
47:56
Speaker 3: It's David.
47:57
Speaker 2: That's weird.
47:57
Speaker 3: Who's Craig?
47:58
Speaker 2: I don't know. I could have sworn the tabloid. Say Craig. Whatever. Okay,
48:02
Speaker 2: let's just call him David because that's what I thought
48:03
Speaker 2: it was.
48:03
Speaker 3: It's definitely David. Who's Craig, you guys? Craig Conover. I
48:07
Speaker 3: don't know. Was he babysitting?
48:08
Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, so David. And then he takes
48:17
Speaker 2: kids and he files. So, you know, it's wild to
48:20
Speaker 2: me that she is getting dragged for like being, you know,
48:25
Speaker 2: marrying him for his money and stuff like that when
48:27
Speaker 2: she's so successful in her own right. So can you
48:30
Speaker 2: break this down? Is it that like, she married him
48:33
Speaker 2: for money, then used all, I mean, I'm saying are
48:35
Speaker 2: the allegations that she married him for money, used all
48:39
Speaker 2: of his money to like buy all this stuff to
48:42
Speaker 2: become an influencer. And that's why she is doing what
48:45
Speaker 2: she's doing and why she's successful.
48:46
Speaker 3: Is that the allegations?
48:47
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what I'm wondering. Cause it's like
48:49
Speaker 2: people are saying, that's what she's saying. People are saying
48:53
Speaker 2: that she married him for his money. And I'm like,
48:54
Speaker 2: she's done everything on her own. Like, I don't understand
48:58
Speaker 2: what it is that people have a problem with. She's
49:01
Speaker 2: been in the influencer game from the jump, like one
49:03
Speaker 2: of the first, and she's made a lot of money
49:06
Speaker 2: doing it.
49:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. I know there were allegations early
49:13
Speaker 3: on that when they met, he was already married, and
49:15
Speaker 3: then she debunked those.
49:17
Speaker 1: Right.
49:18
Speaker 3: Which was good because like I was rolling. I know.
49:22
Speaker 3: I sort of, I do believe her.
49:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
49:28
Speaker 1: I mean.
49:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. Because now that you mention it,
49:30
Speaker 2: I do remember reading like they were completely done when
49:34
Speaker 2: they even met.
49:35
Speaker 3: Right.
49:36
Speaker 2: Right.
49:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:37
Speaker 3: I did believe her. So I don't know. You know,
49:40
Speaker 3: I think it's a very tricky thing. It's like two
49:44
Speaker 3: people get together. Most of the time they're in love.
49:47
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like for the most part,
49:49
Speaker 3: especially if it's before they both. I mean, I don't know.
49:52
Speaker 3: I don't know, Amy. I don't I don't I think
49:56
Speaker 3: she's a hustler to the to the day she dies.
49:59
Speaker 3: And I don't see her as anyone who is.
50:03
Speaker 2: You don't think she hustled, David? That's essentially what we're asking.
50:08
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
50:10
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you know, listen, you know,
50:16
Speaker 3: who knows? Who knows?
50:19
Speaker 2: Well, that was very hard. No, we sure don't.
50:24
Speaker 3: So we don't know.
50:25
Speaker 2: I did appreciate her conversation about calling her daughter immediately
50:30
Speaker 2: and just having to do that over the phone with
50:32
Speaker 2: her daughter. I mean, it's just heartbreaking, you know?
50:34
Speaker 1: It's horrible.
50:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad. She seems like a really good mom.
50:39
Speaker 3: For sure.
50:40
Speaker 2: So I want to get back to Jessel just coming
50:43
Speaker 2: into Carol's room and I'm just like, get out, get out,
50:47
Speaker 2: get out. What are you doing? Ooh, let me see
50:49
Speaker 2: your looks. I don't have looks. I have socks. I
50:54
Speaker 2: don't have looks. And just the whole, just how she
51:01
Speaker 2: brought up Carolyn again. Again. And I'm like, I understand
51:07
Speaker 2: you want to make your point that she was iconic.
51:09
Speaker 2: But Carol's like, I don't want to even hear. I
51:13
Speaker 2: can understand. Don't put her name in your mouth. You know,
51:16
Speaker 2: just stop it. Just let it go away. It's not
51:18
Speaker 2: a fun. It's a phenomenon. But to me, it's a
51:21
Speaker 2: real human being and it hurts every time it's brought up.
51:24
Speaker 2: So don't do that. I did think it was very
51:28
Speaker 2: funny when Jessel was opening up about her dad. Carol
51:32
Speaker 2: was like, is that a drone?
51:33
Speaker 3: And she didn't go back to it. But I think
51:36
Speaker 3: she wasn't in the goddamn mood. I really think that
51:39
Speaker 3: Carol had, like, do I think she saw a drone? Yes.
51:43
Speaker 3: But I also think she was like, I'm not doing
51:46
Speaker 3: this right now with you.
51:47
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to go deep with you. No.
51:50
Speaker 3: Because she would have picked it back up and she didn't.
51:53
Speaker 2: Sure didn't. And I'm glad she didn't. Also, get your
51:55
Speaker 2: hands off my socks. I am fully... 100% in. Oh God,
52:01
Speaker 2: I'm team socks. And I'm like, those look like my socks.
52:03
Speaker 2: I love socks.
52:04
Speaker 3: I want them.
52:05
Speaker 2: Every time I see, I want them too. By the way,
52:08
Speaker 2: Carol has, she did something recently where she was like
52:14
Speaker 2: posting about her go-tos, you know, the white shirts and
52:17
Speaker 2: the whatever. So, and that sweater she was wearing too,
52:21
Speaker 2: like is on, is her go-to. And it is like, she,
52:24
Speaker 2: it was one of those, you know, comment posts Fashion.
52:28
Speaker 2: And I'll send you the links. I absolutely did that.
52:30
Speaker 2: I love, I love her style. I just wanted to
52:32
Speaker 2: see where she's getting all her stuff. I don't remember where,
52:34
Speaker 2: but I haven't really sorted through it too much, but
52:36
Speaker 2: that sweater was on that list.
52:38
Speaker 3: Great sweater. She did. She looked great out there. She
52:41
Speaker 3: was enjoying it. She was not, you know, her, her
52:45
Speaker 3: dress wasn't dipping in the water. I mean, I was
52:49
Speaker 3: happy that pruning was brought up because that was my
52:53
Speaker 3: first thought is like your feet will be pruned. Oh, God.
52:59
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how that is refreshing unless
53:02
Speaker 2: it's during the day and you're in your swimsuits.
53:05
Speaker 3: It's you know what? I could see it.
53:08
Speaker 2: Cute.
53:08
Speaker 3: First of all, it's a good visual for a TV show.
53:11
Speaker 3: So for that, I gave it.
53:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave it.
53:15
Speaker 1: Different.
53:16
Speaker 3: I could see it for a little quick drink, you know.
53:20
Speaker 3: A little quick drink and maybe like an app out there.
53:22
Speaker 3: And then we're moving over to a table out so
53:26
Speaker 3: our feet are not in the water for an hour
53:28
Speaker 3: and a half.
53:32
Speaker 2: Was the pool heated? I mean, it better have been
53:34
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't want to put my feet in a
53:36
Speaker 2: cold pool while I'm eating.
53:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like.
53:41
Speaker 2: And I don't want to go to someone's house on
53:43
Speaker 2: an island if they don't own the whole island. I
53:45
Speaker 2: just won't do it. I'd rather stay home. In Santa Clarita.
53:49
Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I enjoyed when that bartender, like, threw
53:53
Speaker 3: Psy out of the bar. He was like, I'm here.
53:56
Speaker 3: I'm here.
53:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:59
Speaker 2: Bye.
53:59
Speaker 3: How can I help you? Like, there was just no
54:03
Speaker 3: levity to that. And I liked it.
54:05
Speaker 2: I loved it. Those gauzy wraps, you know, that they
54:10
Speaker 2: handed out. I was like, it's going in the water.
54:13
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is such a disaster.
54:14
Speaker 3: Everything was in the water.
54:16
Speaker 2: I know. The picture of it was beautiful. Like, it
54:19
Speaker 2: was really pretty, like you said.
54:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
54:21
Speaker 2: And that thunderstorm was sick. I mean, the downpour was amazing.
54:27
Speaker 2: I love it.
54:29
Speaker 3: Hit hard, hit quick.
54:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:31
Speaker 2: Like a housewife.
54:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:33
Speaker 3: And they needed it. They needed to be drenched upon
54:35
Speaker 3: because we were just about to get into something and
54:38
Speaker 3: it was a good, like.
54:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
54:40
Speaker 1: It was good.
54:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's giving island, you know, to have just
54:47
Speaker 3: a powerful rainstorm out of nowhere. That's island for you.
54:51
Speaker 2: It's very island. That's so island. It's very island.
54:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:58
Speaker 3: And Haley was enjoying the island too.
55:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was. I appreciated her confessional. She's like, who
55:03
Speaker 2: cares who owns the island? It was so important.
55:06
Speaker 3: I mean- And Jessel, to her, we were very angry
55:11
Speaker 3: with her, but she was like, I think she was
55:12
Speaker 3: the one who was like, why are we getting granular about?
55:15
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
55:16
Speaker 3: Shocking.
55:17
Speaker 2: Shocking, to be honest with you. To Erica's credit. Yeah,
55:20
Speaker 2: to her credit and the nature of her personality, she
55:24
Speaker 2: is a humble person. She's not going to be thinking
55:27
Speaker 2: about these things and presenting them in such a way,
55:31
Speaker 2: in a premeditated way to.
55:33
Speaker 3: Right.
55:34
Speaker 2: Like explain everything down to a T. So I think
55:38
Speaker 2: you'd have to look at this and say, is this
55:41
Speaker 2: person being purposely deceitful by holding back? Or are they
55:47
Speaker 2: just a person who doesn't even care about this stuff?
55:50
Speaker 2: And it's the latter. So if it was like a,
55:54
Speaker 2: a Jessel or if it was somebody else who's really
55:57
Speaker 2: about showing off what they have.
55:59
Speaker 3: Even like a Sonia, like the way Sonia talked about
56:02
Speaker 3: them time before, old Sonia that we never met, you know,
56:06
Speaker 3: I could see, you know, someone who is entrenched in
56:10
Speaker 3: their lifestyle, you know, and it's their whole personality trying
56:17
Speaker 3: to convince you of their worth based on their, their money.
56:20
Speaker 3: And that's just not Erica. No.
56:23
Speaker 2: So you, you know, I would have said, don't ask
56:27
Speaker 2: these questions because she's already not that kind of person.
56:30
Speaker 2: If she was that kind of person, ask the question.
56:33
Speaker 2: That's right.
56:34
Speaker 3: That's right. And it just is like you just can't–
56:39
Speaker 3: you can't have a nice– it's like what do you
56:42
Speaker 3: have to do to have a nice time, to show
56:46
Speaker 3: people a nice time? I mean, I do believe she
56:50
Speaker 3: tried to put a lovely weekend together, and I don't
56:52
Speaker 3: know what else you could do.
56:54
Speaker 2: I really don't.
56:55
Speaker 3: Other than getting my feet out of the water, I
56:57
Speaker 3: don't know what else you could do.
56:58
Speaker 2: No. No. I mean, the only gripe that they could
57:01
Speaker 2: even possibly have would be the food when they arrived.
57:05
Speaker 2: There weren't vegetarian options, but apparently they did not put
57:08
Speaker 2: that on their preference sheet.
57:09
Speaker 3: And I believe that.
57:10
Speaker 2: I do too. By the way, Daisy said something like,
57:14
Speaker 2: who decorated this, Pier 1? And Erica's like, I love
57:17
Speaker 2: Pier 1. And I said to myself, thank you, because
57:20
Speaker 2: I was the voice of Pier 1 for like seven years.
57:24
Speaker 2: You were? Yes. Yes.
57:26
Speaker 3: Oh my God, that's so cool.
57:28
Speaker 2: It was like such a big job that I had
57:32
Speaker 2: when I first moved here. It was like one of
57:33
Speaker 2: the- That's amazing. Like I moved here and I got
57:35
Speaker 2: that job pretty quickly. And like, I mean, I rode
57:39
Speaker 2: that out for so long until they closed.
57:42
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so good. Yeah, I was so bummed. The
57:44
Speaker 3: one on Hollywood Boulevard, right? Was it on Hollywood or something?
57:46
Speaker 3: It was on Hollywood. I was there a lot.
57:49
Speaker 2: You were? Oh my, me too. That was our, that
57:51
Speaker 2: was our local Pier 1. And I used to get the,
57:53
Speaker 2: you know, Christmas decorations there. And one time I had,
57:57
Speaker 2: I was the announcer. So. That's so cool. But one
58:02
Speaker 2: time I had the voice of a character. So like
58:05
Speaker 2: I was the voice of the penguin ornament. Stop. No,
58:09
Speaker 2: it was so cute.
58:10
Speaker 3: How'd it go?
58:13
Speaker 2: So the, it was, the campaign was, Find what speaks
58:17
Speaker 2: to you at Pier 1 Imports. And so it was
58:20
Speaker 2: like all the little products had their own voice. So
58:24
Speaker 2: like a butter dish would be like, hey, look at
58:26
Speaker 2: me over here. And then like, so this penguin was
58:29
Speaker 2: on a Christmas tree and it was talking to another ornament.
58:33
Speaker 2: And it was like, oh, no, it was talking to
58:35
Speaker 2: the customer walking by. And I go, hey, excuse me.
58:39
Speaker 2: Does this tree make my hips look big?
58:42
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm dead.
58:43
Speaker 2: And it was like so cute. And they like renewed
58:46
Speaker 2: that commercial like a couple years in a row, you know,
58:48
Speaker 2: and I was like, the penguin's back. But that was
58:52
Speaker 2: great because I had the penguin voice and then I
58:54
Speaker 2: was also the announcer at the end. You doubled it out.
58:57
Speaker 2: I doubled that payment. So good. And I was so bummed.
59:00
Speaker 3: So good.
59:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
59:01
Speaker 2: It was a great campaign. Yeah. So I appreciated that
59:04
Speaker 2: Erica likes Pier 1. Thank you.
59:05
Speaker 3: Me too. Good job. And yes. And thank you, for that.
59:09
Speaker 3: We needed that. We needed that.
59:13
Speaker 2: I felt bad for Erica. I felt she was on
59:16
Speaker 2: defense having to answer these questions. And it was such
59:19
Speaker 2: a housewives moment. I mean, as much as it's so
59:21
Speaker 2: putrid to watch, I'm like, this is the place that
59:25
Speaker 2: we love. This is what we do.
59:27
Speaker 3: Yeah. At the end of the day.
59:29
Speaker 2: At the end of the day. So anything else that.
59:33
Speaker 3: I mean, the one other like iconic moment for me
59:36
Speaker 3: was the very last moment when. Aaron and Jessel are
59:41
Speaker 3: yelling at each other and Jessel says, mocks what she
59:44
Speaker 3: says and then yells something about her outfit. And as
59:47
Speaker 3: she's marching up the stairs, she goes, it's Balmain, you know,
59:50
Speaker 3: as she just. Yes. I enjoyed that very much.
59:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
59:56
Speaker 3: And then.
59:57
Speaker 2: When they were running inside from the rain, Jessel was like,
1:00:00
Speaker 2: this is $ 2, 000, this dress.
1:00:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a good look for some reason. But
1:00:05
Speaker 3: I love it. It's not working for me, Jessel.
1:00:08
Speaker 2: It's so tacky. And I'm like, this is what they are.
1:00:12
Speaker 2: And I'm here for it, you know.
1:00:16
Speaker 3: And even it was, yeah.
1:00:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:19
Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean, it seems like we're getting Carol's Epstein.
1:00:23
Speaker 3: I already feel she's not going to handle it correctly.
1:00:26
Speaker 3: I would give anything to have Carol tap me in
1:00:33
Speaker 3: to help her communicate this situation. I would love to
1:00:37
Speaker 3: do it.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: I'm concerned too. I mean, I think the biggest, well,
1:00:42
Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to, we'll cross that bridge when
1:00:44
Speaker 2: we come to it, but I am glad it's coming soon.
1:00:47
Speaker 2: And yes, it's, You know, I think the transition into
1:00:51
Speaker 2: that conversation will be very easy because they're on a
1:00:53
Speaker 2: private island. So, like, let's go.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: I mean, we're all thinking it.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: We're all thinking it.
1:00:57
Speaker 3: Now let's speak on it.
1:00:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
1:01:00
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I get, like, we are bust in. There's, like, yes,
1:01:05
Speaker 3: private island, you know, that we're sharing with seven other families.
1:01:09
Speaker 3: But still, you know.
1:01:12
Speaker 2: Richard Branson owns a little bit of it, too. Yeah.
1:01:15
Speaker 2: I love that Erin was like, pretending like she didn't
1:01:18
Speaker 2: do any research at all. She's like, but doesn't Richard
1:01:22
Speaker 2: Branson own this island or something like that of some sort? Well, Deanna,
1:01:32
Speaker 2: can you share with the darlings where they can find you?
1:01:35
Speaker 3: You guys, if you haven't checked out my sub stack,
1:01:37
Speaker 3: please do. It is how to be less old at substack.com. And,
1:01:43
Speaker 3: you know, we threw a few terms out, Recently, some,
1:01:46
Speaker 3: some of the youths are saying, I can't wait. I'll
1:01:49
Speaker 3: give you a couple for the road. One that I've
1:01:52
Speaker 3: been using a lot is if you're feeling cortisol coded.
1:01:58
Speaker 3: So you have a situation that spikes your car, you know, nice.
1:02:03
Speaker 3: Or like you're heading to the, I was like, Oh God,
1:02:05
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to go to the dentist again.
1:02:07
Speaker 3: I'm feeling super cortisol coded.
1:02:09
Speaker 2: I love that.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:02:11
Speaker 3: Okay. It's a good one. The other one that's fun
1:02:14
Speaker 3: is boy dinner, which is a boy dinner is very specific.
1:02:20
Speaker 3: It's a mound of rice and ground beef on top
1:02:23
Speaker 3: of it.
1:02:23
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Brett would love that.
1:02:25
Speaker 3: So he's into boy dinner like and you just want
1:02:28
Speaker 3: to see it. It's good to know what you're looking at.
1:02:30
Speaker 3: You know, that's what you're looking at. And they're eating
1:02:33
Speaker 3: it on repeat. Oh, my God.
1:02:35
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that. Eating it on repeat. I love
1:02:39
Speaker 2: how to be less old.
1:02:42
Speaker 3: All right, friend. This was really fun.
1:02:44
Speaker 2: So fun. Thank you, Dee Dee. Love you. Bye, guys.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: Drama, darling. Drama, darling. Drama, darling.