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- 0:06You're listening to The Hidden Lightness on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
- 0:09I'm your host, Jimmy Hinton.
- 0:11There's a new TikTok trend.
- 0:13Well, social media trend anyway.
- 0:16And it's called admin nights.
- 0:18I actually had not heard of this.
- 0:20And probably part of this is because organizing is just not my thing.
- 0:25And so anything that has to do with it, I shut down.
- 0:29I just don't like to organize things.
- 0:31I'm not a planner.
- 0:32It's not my gift.
- 0:33It's not my spiritual gift.
- 0:35And so give me a microphone and let me talk all day long.
- 0:38I'll talk in front of crowds.
- 0:40I don't care how big or how little they are.
- 0:43I like to talk.
- 0:44I'm a talker.
- 0:45But organizing events and organizing administrative events, especially really is not my thing.
- 0:53I'm looking at a big pile on my desk right now.
- 0:56And my wife does not like my piles.
- 0:59She tells me that I need to get more organized.
- 1:02And when I hear that word, I just kind of twitch.
- 1:09It is uh definitely not my gift.
- 1:14But I really like this idea of having admin nights.
- 1:19And some people don't, some people do to each his own.
- 1:23And I'm not saying that I would plan one.
- 1:25Realistically, I probably never will, but I like the idea.
- 1:30I like the concept.
- 1:32And I'm gonna unpack this in this episode because this is the new viral 2026 trend.
- 1:40And the no, this is not like eating the tide pods and you know, those ridiculous things where people do harmful things and think that it's funny and they want to get views and that sort of stuff.
- 1:54This is not that.
- 1:56This is a completely different idea that some people are calling the new book club for busy adults.
- 2:06All right, so what in the world is admin night and what does it look like?
- 2:11How does it work?
- 2:13Well, this is an article here uh that talks about the viral trend.
- 2:18It's on Republic World, and uh it's really interesting.
- 2:23So it says Instagram is a buzz with a new hangout trend called admin night.
- 2:28The party style that seems to be a hit with social media users is marketed as the ultimate adulting hack.
- 2:36The trend focuses on organizing gatherings and and parties, which helps build an effective routine and aids people in staying organized without burnout.
- 2:48All right, so basically what it is is you take all the mundane tasks and heavy chores that we absolutely hate doing.
- 2:56So think about cleaning out your email.
- 3:00I I know I have like 12,000 unread emails just in one account, and it gives me anxiety just to look at that.
- 3:11Uh I have people constantly, constantly email me, and they ask for favors, you know, I'd say 80% of the emails that I get, besides for junk, a lot of them are junk, but about 80% are people asking for favors.
- 3:29Well, I'm all favored out, so I just don't even look at them.
- 3:32I don't read them, I don't look at them, they give me anxiety, but I have this guilt for whatever reason of deleting those emails.
- 3:41Well, those emails need to be deleted because I have some that have been in there for I don't know, four or five years, and uh they're just clogging up my email.
- 3:50So think about those kinds of things paying bills, sitting down and paying bills, planning your budget.
- 3:58I'd say probably once at least once every two months, maybe even once a month.
- 4:06I like to sit down, go over my budget and see all right, am I on track?
- 4:11Are there things that I can cut?
- 4:13Are there things that I can do?
- 4:14Like, am I maximizing things?
- 4:16Am I going over budget?
- 4:19And uh I say I like to do it.
- 4:22I like to get it done, but I don't love doing it.
- 4:25To me, it's just another mundane task.
- 4:30Uh, what about planning things for work?
- 4:35I have a lot of planning to do.
- 4:39And quite honestly, it makes me tired.
- 4:42It's just one more thing on my plate to do.
- 4:45I don't have a team of people that I can bounce ideas off of.
- 4:49When I do get people to bounce ideas off of, usually ideas get shot down and it's not really brainstorming as much as it is uh brainstorming.
- 5:01So I just I don't like to plan those kinds of things with church people, where if I got some fresh ideas and fresh eyes, maybe things will go a little bit better.
- 5:15So there are all kinds of things that people can bring into this that are administrative things that we just don't like doing.
- 5:22How about uh planning wills?
- 5:26A living will.
- 5:28That's something a lot of Americans don't do.
- 5:31Uh life insurance.
- 5:35Um let's see.
- 5:38Checking rates.
- 5:39This is one that we have to do.
- 5:41We have a daughter who's about to get her uh not license permit.
- 5:46And I'm dreading calling up insurance companies to get quotes.
- 5:53Because my insurance carrier that I have right now is rated one of the highest in the nations for 16-year-old drivers.
- 6:02Well, I don't want to pay above market value.
- 6:06I'm a budgeter by nature.
- 6:08I will find the best deal, but I hate doing it.
- 6:14It's exhausting.
- 6:16I don't even know where to start.
- 6:18I don't know what companies to look at.
- 6:20And so I just kind of shut down and I'm like, well, I'll get to it eventually.
- 6:24Well, time is ticking.
- 6:26All right, so you get the point.
- 6:30Uh planning meals.
- 6:32My wife gets exhausted planning meals.
- 6:36Every single week, she has to come up with a a um a meal planning uh grocery list, meal ideas.
- 6:46She's always asking us for ideas, and and I just blank.
- 6:51And I'm like, man, I would love to have something in place, a mechanism in place where we keep track of every single meal that we do, and we can recycle those meals.
- 7:03You're kind of a calendar.
- 7:06But the idea of doing that, again, it's the planning, it makes me physically exhausted.
- 7:13So the idea is to kind of crowdsource with other people.
- 7:17So everybody brings their administrative things to this party, and you have food, some people do wine, uh, they do hors d'oeuvres.
- 7:28Uh, you know, it's the idea is not to clean your house and make it look perfect and cook a big meal for people.
- 7:35That's not the idea.
- 7:37The idea is we're just gonna have snacks and drinks, and we're gonna socialize and have fun, and we're gonna laugh.
- 7:44We're gonna get these these dumb tasks done, and then we're just gonna hang out and have a good time for the rest of the night.
- 7:52So I think that's actually a pretty effective way to do it.
- 7:56And the reason I'm attracted to this idea, and again, I'm not saying that I'll do it, but it's kind of like a co-working environment, a co-working community.
- 8:08Our town got one, and it's one of my good friends, is somebody I grew up with, and uh she's one of those people, again, who is wildly successful, uh, is building a lot of wealth, doing very well with everything that she does, and I'm super proud of her.
- 8:25But she started this business that's a co-working community, which is really popular in cities, but in rural areas, it's almost unheard of.
- 8:36So her idea was to take something that works really well in urban areas and bring that to the country.
- 8:43And it took off, and it's doing really, really well.
- 8:46It's it's uh business has been in place for several years now, and a lot of my friends are are um, they have co-working spaces, and so basically what it is uh, and I love to visit there, it's just it's a really cool concept, but it's an open desk community where people bring their work to this open desk.
- 9:11So you have a computer, but it it's not a private office.
- 9:15Now, you can rent a private office if you have to do phone calls or you know, you have stuff that requires a private office, you can do that.
- 9:26But generally, it's an open space idea.
- 9:30And the idea is that as you work, you bounce ideas off of the person who's across from you.
- 9:37And you can share ideas back and forth, and you get up and you walk around and you socialize with other people, and they become a tight knit community of like minded people.
- 9:51And it's a really neat idea, and it's wildly successful.
- 9:58What I really like about this.
- 10:00And what I like about the admin night, and if people are using this properly, which it sounds like a lot of people are, but you get to share ideas with each other.
- 10:10You get to bounce ideas off of people.
- 10:12So you're not just getting your administrative tasks done, but you're bouncing ideas off of each other and you're becoming more efficient.
- 10:21And that's something that people like me who are not good planners, it's really important for us to bounce ideas off of other people.
- 10:30And that's where my wife is really organized.
- 10:33So I say we make a good team.
- 10:35Opposites really do attract because she's very organized.
- 10:40She's very structured.
- 10:42And uh so I learn so much off of her.
- 10:47And whenever we do, we actually, I guess we do a form of this where we sit down and and every now and then we do administrative tasks and we do it together.
- 10:57So putting our information together for taxes every year, we we pick out a night.
- 11:04We we joke around, we call it our date night, and uh we get all of our tax information together, and there are certain tasks that she hates that I don't mind, and there are certain tasks that I hate that she doesn't mind, and so we work together and we just get it done in a matter of usually it only takes about 30 minutes, and then we're done, and then we feel better about ourselves and we send that off to the accountant, and life goes on.
- 11:31And uh so we kind of look forward to that annual administrative night, our date night.
- 11:37So I get the idea.
- 11:39I get the concept.
- 11:41And uh it's kind of a cool, fun way to socialize with your friends and to share ideas.
- 11:48And there are a lot of things that I think we could learn from each other.
- 11:51So as you're paying bills, that's gonna bring up a lot of transparency.
- 11:57And you get to talk about bills and talk about the things that that you're wasting.
- 12:02What are the areas where we're really uh inefficient?
- 12:06Where are the areas that we need to cut more?
- 12:09What's your phone bill?
- 12:11What kind of deals do you have?
- 12:13I did this with my brothers whenever we we did our our annual brothers' campout.
- 12:18Uh, we talked about our our phone bills.
- 12:23And we started sharing, like, well, who's your carrier and what's your monthly rate?
- 12:28What are the benefits?
- 12:30How's your service?
- 12:32Are there any things that you don't like about uh who your carrier is?
- 12:38And so we start sharing ideas and we learned that uh yeah there's one carrier in particular that's a super low rate, and it's locked in and it's guaranteed for I think it's something like the next five years at least, they guarantee their rates not to go up.
- 12:58So you learn those kinds of things by having those conversations with people, and a lot of people aren't really open, they're really private about all of their uh bills and administrative tasks because we feel like it's well it's just nobody's business.
- 13:12And so people struggle all to themselves, they struggle in isolation, and they feel the weight of those bills, and they're not sharing ideas with people.
- 13:24They don't share ideas with friends who are probably probably somebody at some point had to deal with the stress of whatever it is that you're dealing with.
- 13:34And when you share those ideas with each other, it opens up a lot more possibilities.
- 13:40And that's what I really like about it.
- 13:43There are a lot of things that I've learned from other people that I never in a million years would have thought of these ideas.
- 13:52That's why I'm an avid reader.
- 13:54I love to read.
- 13:55I love books.
- 13:56I I read tons and tons and tons of books on ministry.
- 14:00Uh I'm reading one right now that uh we're walking through with the church, and it's phenomenal.
- 14:07But that that idea of sharing ideas with people, and it's not just ministry, I buy a lot of books as as you might have guessed by how much I talk about this topic.
- 14:20I buy a lot of books on budgeting, on investing, on business startups.
- 14:29I love Cody Sanchez, she's one of my favorites.
- 14:32I love Gary V.
- 14:33Uh, I've read all of Dave Ramsey's books.
- 14:37Um, I've read many, many other people, Robert Kiyosaki.
- 14:41I read tons of books all the time.
- 14:44Tons of books.
- 14:46And it's good to learn from other people.
- 14:51And I feel like this is a free education.
- 14:53If you do an admin night, it's a free education where you get to share ideas with your friends and nobody's charging money for it.
- 15:01And I guarantee that whatever I think I'm really good at, or whatever you think you're really good at, there are other people who do it 10 times better.
- 15:10And if we're humble enough to realize that, we can use this as an opportunity to grow to share with people to grow and to do a better job, the administrative tasks that so many of us hate to do.
- 15:27So it's a really, really cool idea, and I'm all for it.
- 15:32Again, it's not a uh it's not an endorsement.
- 15:35I'm not saying that I will do it, but maybe I will, maybe I'll try it.
- 15:40But one of the ideas that people are doing is that they'll do an admin night with family members instead of friends, they'll do it with other family members.
- 15:48I think that's cool.
- 15:50Now that I could get on board with.
- 15:54Because they're family members who I see them develop really bad habits, and I would love to share with them.
- 16:01And I have other family members that have really good habits, and I'd love to learn from them.
- 16:08So this idea of crowdsourcing and sharing ideas with each other, helping each other with your administrative task, it's really cool.
- 16:15I have nieces and nephews that talk to me all the time about uh investing, and they're like, can you please spend time with us and just do like a private session and teach us about investing?
- 16:28We really want to learn.
- 16:31I love that idea.
- 16:32I love that they're asking those questions.
- 16:36And it's it's really cool.
- 16:39So I'm all for it.
- 16:40Green light, thumbs up.
- 16:42What a cool trend.
- 16:43We'll talk more about this after the break, some of the nuts and bolts and and how this is uh working out.
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- 19:29Admin nights.
- 19:31This is the new trend.
- 19:33It's trending big time on social media.
- 19:36People are calling this the new book club for busy adults.
- 19:40And uh, you know, with so much going on in the world, we we have the war in Iran, we have people worried about the economy.
- 19:49We have uh just lots and lots going on around the world.
- 19:55I think people are are are more serious.
- 19:58I said this to my wife the other day.
- 20:00Day, I'm like, I think that sometimes we just take life too seriously.
- 20:04We kind of need to let her hair down and enjoy life a little bit more.
- 20:08And that's what the show is all about, folks.
- 20:10At the end of the day, when Malcolm talked to me about doing the show over a year ago, we said, wouldn't it be cool to just tell stories that are positive and encourage people to be better, better versions of themselves.
- 20:27And I really love that idea.
- 20:29I'm attracted to that idea because I don't like negativity.
- 20:35My wife tells me that I'm a I'm a sunshine blower.
- 20:38I like to blow sunshine.
- 20:40And uh she's like, why are you always so positive?
- 20:45And my response is, well, what's the alternative?
- 20:49If we're not positive, then the alternative is not neutrality, it's usually negativity.
- 20:56And I prefer to be positive.
- 20:59And it's not given false hope.
- 21:01It's not that I want people to think that, oh, the world's it's a good, safe place, and there are no bad people out there, and you're just going to be so blessed by God.
- 21:11And like that, that's not that's not reality.
- 21:18The reality is there are a lot of hard things that happen in this life.
- 21:24And uh I've had to deal, all of us, I'm sure, have had to deal with situations that have aged us by years.
- 21:35We've had to become wise beyond our years.
- 21:39Some people at very young ages, they've experienced such tragedies.
- 21:46So many hard things, uh, you know, abuse of different kinds, poverty, uh, homelessness, disease.
- 21:55I I have friends right now, they have a little young girl who's battling cancer.
- 22:04And I just, as a parent, I can't wrap my mind around the heaviness of that.
- 22:12That your daughter at eight years old is fighting for her life.
- 22:18I I can't, I can't wrap my mind around that.
- 22:24There's so many other people facing infertility, um, facing child loss.
- 22:32Uh people's homes lost to fire or other natural disasters.
- 22:41I mean, there are so many heavy things in life.
- 22:44And so the alternative to focusing on just the negative is to talk about the positive and talk about the things that inspire us.
- 22:53And a lot of these stories that I tell are people who have overcome really horrific times in their life.
- 23:02People who've pushed through adversity and trials and uh refinement by fire.
- 23:12Life is just absolutely burned them, and they they pushed through the ashes, and life started to emerge.
- 23:24And through that new life that started to emerge through the ashes, something beautiful began to take root.
- 23:34And these people succeed, and they inspire other people.
- 23:39And I love to share those stories.
- 23:41In fact, it's an honor.
- 23:44It's an absolute honor to share those stories because it reminds me of so many friends in my life who have made something powerful out of really horrific situations.
- 23:59And I always get inspired by those stories.
- 24:01I get inspired by the people.
- 24:03I often wonder how people are able to keep their nose above water.
- 24:10When it's just it's problem after problem after problem that people face, and they overcome that.
- 24:16So that's what the show is about.
- 24:18The hidden lightness is about allowing your hidden lightness to shine in the midst of a dark room.
- 24:26When there's so much darkness that's all around us.
- 24:30It's the light that gives us hope.
- 24:33It's the light that shows us the way.
- 24:38It's the light that shows us that, hey, people are still smiling, even though they've suffered so much tragedy.
- 24:46They're still able to smile, they're still able to function, they're still able to bless other people and help other people.
- 24:54And that's why I'm attracted to these stories.
- 24:56And this, this is no different.
- 24:58You know, this isn't one of those heartwarming stories, and there's not like this deep personal connection, but it's a really cool idea where people are sharing ideas and people are turning this into a trend.
- 25:10Now, some people might say it's a fad, and maybe it is.
- 25:14Time always tells.
- 25:17Maybe it's just a fad that'll that'll fade away as quickly as it came in.
- 25:23Or maybe it's a new trend, but either way.
- 25:28How can we point fingers at people, millions of people who are coming together for these admin nights?
- 25:37You know, the the social media trend, how can we point fingers at them and start talking trash?
- 25:43And we're like, well, this isn't gonna last.
- 25:47Yeah, I choose to celebrate it.
- 25:51Don't we want people to succeed?
- 25:56There are some people, I saw an article where they're basically calling people snowflakes, and they're like, this is what's wrong with society.
- 26:04People can't function on their own, and they have to get their friends, they have to get their buddies and mask it in calling it a party, and they rope their friends, they dupe their friends basically into doing their dirty work.
- 26:18And I'm like, man, can't you just let people do something and enjoy it?
- 26:24If people are enjoying this and they're being productive and having fun and God forbid laughing while they're doing it, shouldn't we celebrate that?
- 26:33Shouldn't we applaud them?
- 26:36Whether this is for you or it's not, I think that as Americans and and just as fellow neighbors, we ought to applaud people and say, man, that's actually kind of cool.
- 26:52So that's why I'm doing this story.
- 26:53I choose to stand behind people and applaud them.
- 26:57I want to read a little bit from CNN of all people.
- 27:02CNN has a really good article.
- 27:05I say that in jest.
- 27:08There are a lot of good stories that CNN does, and uh this is one of them.
- 27:16The article is called Why Admin Nights Are the New Book Club for Busy Adults.
- 27:22Benjamin Chipman has met with his friend Nikita Surrey every Tuesday since July, usually over a grilled chicken sandwich, fries and a beer with a killer happy hour deal, Wi-Fi and outlets at a neighborhood pub.
- 27:39Chipman, an actor and content creator in New York City, began his version of admin night working on a screenplay, picking up an idea first planted in college.
- 27:51Meanwhile, Surrey split her time between personal development tasks, such as improving her technology skills, and administrative ones like cleaning out her inbox and updating her resume.
- 28:04I'll do it later as a line we all probably have said countless times.
- 28:10Amen to that.
- 28:13Should be my bumper sticker.
- 28:16My kids unfortunately have inherited my procrastination.
- 28:23I am a master of procrastinator.
- 28:27I put things off to the last minute.
- 28:32And I always have my entire life.
- 28:35I figure at my age, this is probably not something it's not a habit that is just gonna fade away.
- 28:42It's deeply ingrained into the DNA of who I am.
- 28:47I perform under pressure.
- 28:49Uh I need that pressure.
- 28:51I need timelines.
- 28:52I need to wake up one day and be like, oh, today's the day that it's due.
- 28:58I need that pressure.
- 29:01So I'll do it later.
- 29:03Is a line we probably have said countless times.
- 29:07That's because being an adult is hard.
- 29:09And it's not just the big stuff, choosing your career, where you live, where you'll have a partner, whether you'll have a partner, and who that could be, those sometimes small, often tedious tasks can feel impossible to do.
- 29:25Yet they still need to get done.
- 29:29Many people are turning to group admin nights to finally check administrative tasks off their to-do lists.
- 29:37And it's not just for Gen Xers like San Francisco-based journalist Chris Collin, who coined the term and wrote about his hack for the Wall Street Journal.
- 29:48Everyone can benefit from an admin night.
- 29:51And some are even putting a spin on it to realize long-held personal goals.
- 29:58Now, this is what's really
- 30:00Cool about it.
- 30:01And actually, as I was reading that, I just had an aha moment.
- 30:07So I'm going to share the aha moment with you.
- 30:10And this is how this stuff works.
- 30:11That's why it's important to talk about it.
- 30:13Maybe this is subject that you care less about, but for me, I just like collaborating with people.
- 30:19I I've always been that way, and I love to share ideas with people.
- 30:24I need to share ideas with people.
- 30:26I don't want to go through life alone.
- 30:28I don't want to be a uh an anti-social pessimistic um lonely man who who's like the cat man.
- 30:39I live with my cats, and I don't care what other people think or say, I'm I'm just gonna live by myself.
- 30:46I don't want to be that person.
- 30:48I like to collaborate with people.
- 30:52I need to.
- 30:53I need to share ideas.
- 30:56So I was just thinking about this because just the other night, my daughter was saying, uh, I have this report that's due.
- 31:04Like she's rattling off all these things that are that are due.
- 31:08And she's like, I I need to do this, I need to do this, I need to do this.
- 31:12Well, meanwhile, I'm like relaxing on the couch, watching TV as she's telling me this, and I felt a little bit guilty.
- 31:21I was like, it's not really right that I'm in here watching TV, having fun, you know, just socializing with my other kids.
- 31:29And she's overwhelmed, completely overwhelmed with all the things that she needs to get done.
- 31:36And meanwhile, my desk is just heaping with things that I need to do that I do have timelines for.
- 31:44They have to get done.
- 31:47So I thought, well, like just now.
- 31:50This is my aha moment.
- 31:53So what if instead I offered to sit down and bring my stuff, all the tasks that I hate to do, because that's part of it, right?
- 32:02That's why we lose motivation.
- 32:05Nobody's there to do it with us, nobody's there to kind of complain about the dumb task, and we don't make it fun, right?
- 32:12That's part of why these mundane tasks build up, because it's not fun to do them.
- 32:18Well, what if we made it fun?
- 32:20What if we turned it into a social event?
- 32:23Where we got the snacks out or made something special.
- 32:27What if what if somebody made homemade ice cream?
- 32:33Or went out and bought a snack, just something something cool, something different, and you turn that into a social event.
- 32:43Whereas a family, you sit down and you do your your administrative task together.
- 32:48I think it'd be a game changer.
- 32:50And that's the whole point.
- 32:52That's the whole point of this.
- 32:55That's why uh Chris Cullen came up with the idea.
- 33:00He coined the term anyway, and said that anybody can benefit from it.
- 33:07So what in the world is it?
- 33:09Uh again, it's a similar concept to book clubs, but they regularly bring people together for a fun night while holding one another accountable to an assignment.
- 33:22Admin night is an evening where you and friends, whether it's one friend or multiple friends, gather to do your back burner tasks, said Chipman.
- 33:34He said that in a TikTok post that it's been life changing for him.
- 33:40And I get it.
- 33:42I think it really is.
- 33:43I think it really would be.
- 33:45They get together can be for scheduling appointments, canceling subscriptions, collecting the 1099s to file your taxes, or even stating or starting that screenplay.
- 33:59Colin said the idea is to reclaim weeknights from being home alone.
- 34:07Saying also that you should focus on whatever is calling you, but try not to sneak in work.
- 34:15So it's it's the point is not to work and be like, oh, we gotta get this done, and it's this is terrible.
- 34:23This is off.
- 34:24The point is to whatever calls your name, whatever calls out to you, that's what you're gonna work on.
- 34:31And you make it fun.
- 34:34You you make it enjoyable, you make it social.
- 34:37And I think it's that social aspect that so many Americans are attracted to right now because we miss it.
- 34:42People miss face to face.
- 34:45It's such a strange concept.
- 34:47We're more connected than we've ever been across the world globally.
- 34:52We're more connected than we've ever been in the history of mankind, and yet people feel more isolated than ever before.
- 35:00Well, why is that?
- 35:03Well, it's because we've substituted the face-to-face with online with texting.
- 35:11It's the quick text to somebody.
- 35:15You know, you gotta find something out instead of picking up the phone and calling them and hearing their voice, or stopping to physically see somebody, we just shoot them a quick text.
- 35:25And we do this over and over and over.
- 35:27We rinse and repeat all day long for hours and hours and hours to the point where people feel really socially isolated.
- 35:35Mental health with young people is really suffering.
- 35:39There are so many studies that are out there that talk about how isolated young people feel, especially.
- 35:46They don't feel connected to their parents, they don't feel connected to anybody, and they feel alone.
- 35:50They they're depressed, they're anxious.
- 35:55And that's not a good place for people to be.
- 36:00And also it contributes, I I've mentioned this once before.
- 36:03I think it's worth mentioning again, but it contributes to depression.
- 36:09And the idea that we're all isolated and we're all lonely and that that the world's a broken place.
- 36:16It contributes to your worldview.
- 36:18It really does shape it when we become socially isolated.
- 36:23But I mentioned before there was a psychologist.
- 36:28I can't remember the woman's name, but she visited Iceland or Greenland or one of them.
- 36:32I think it was Iceland, and she realized there is no such thing as seasonal affective disorder in Iceland because people are happy.
- 36:40They're happy in the winter time.
- 36:41And her conclusion was they're happy because they socialize.
- 36:46They visit each other's homes and they're intentional about it.
- 36:49They build fires and they drink coffee and and they just they love being around each other.
- 36:54And in the winter time, they don't survive the winter, they get to go through the winter with each other.
- 37:01That's how they frame it.
- 37:03And uh, it's really a different mindset, and it's so so important.
- 37:06Socialization is vital.
- 37:09Vital, and I think that's why this trend, the administrative trend is taken off so well.
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- 38:56So this trend is really taken off.
- 38:58The admin night.
- 38:59It's where people come together, they uh they create or do accomplish administrative tasks, but they turned it into a social event.
- 39:10Instead of dreading the dreadful administrative tasks, they turn it into something fun.
- 39:17They turn it into a social event.
- 39:19And it's gaining wild popularity.
- 39:21It's really, really taken off.
- 39:23And this is a really recent trend.
- 39:25I like the idea.
- 39:26I like the concept, I like the idea.
- 39:28And the biggest thing that I like about it is socialization.
- 39:32It's the socialization aspect, but it's also the uh collaboration aspect where you can collaborate together and as you're accomplished accomplishing the administrative task, you're able to bounce ideas off each other.
- 39:47So for example, uh what I would use it for wholeheartedly two things.
- 39:54If I end up doing this, I can tell you right now what I'll use it for.
- 39:58I'll use it for budgeting.
- 40:01Getting the budgeting items done, uh, canceling subscriptions, you know, trimming down the budget, finding deals, comparing uh prices, the whole price comparison thing, grocery shopping, groceries are our number one item on our budget.
- 40:21Number one on our family budget is groceries.
- 40:26I mean, it's super high.
- 40:29And we're very careful.
- 40:31I feel like we're very careful about what we buy.
- 40:34Well, maybe there are certain hidden things that we're missing that other people can tell us about.
- 40:40So budgeting is one.
- 40:42I would love to collaborate with people.
- 40:45As we work on that administrative task.
- 40:49Each month, my wife and I, we kind of sit down together and we we plan for the month.
- 40:54We go over numbers, and we talk about what what we could possibly cut for the month.
- 41:04I would love to do it with other people.
- 41:06All right.
- 41:07So what else I would use it for, though, is to bounce ideas off of people for businesses.
- 41:15I am not by nature of just a naturally smart businessman, entrepreneur, and my daughter is starting her own business, and I would love for her to be able to bounce ideas off of other people.
- 41:29I'd love because there are wildly successful friends of ours who are just really good at businesses.
- 41:39They're very wealthy, they're they're very well established, and it's not about the money, it's it's about starting a business that's not gonna, it's not gonna fail.
- 41:49And so I'd love to talk to people whose businesses did fail.
- 41:55And they reinvented themselves and they started up another business.
- 42:01And that business took off, and it was wildly successful.
- 42:05We have friends who that's the case.
- 42:06I would love to pick their brains.
- 42:10I'd love for them to share ideas and point out the things that don't work, the thing, or at least didn't work for them, point out the lessons that they learned, point out what does work, how they became more efficient, how they structure their taxes, how they structure their business name.
- 42:26Are they filed as an LLC?
- 42:28Uh, what insurance do they have?
- 42:30Those sorts of things.
- 42:32I'm clueless.
- 42:34I would love to learn from other people.
- 42:39So it's a really cool idea.
- 42:41It really is.
- 42:42And that social aspect, that's what I was talking about before the break.
- 42:46I think that's the holy grail.
- 42:50That's what makes us work.
- 42:52That's what makes it enjoyable.
- 42:56That's what makes it enticing.
- 43:00People are increasingly lonely, people are increasingly depressed.
- 43:06In America, here we talk about seasonal affective disorder, dubbed SAD SAD.
- 43:15And by the way, over the break, I found the author uh who had visited, she's a psychologist and had visited um it actually was Norway.
- 43:30I thought it was Iceland or Greenland or one of those.
- 43:32It actually was Norway.
- 43:34And the study's coming back to me now, but uh I've I found an article, I'll link to this in the show notes.
- 43:39It's actually a podcast, and it's really fascinating.
- 43:42But it's Carrie Liebowitz, and she visited uh a place that's north, I think it's like 200 miles north of the Arctic in Norway.
- 43:57And she uh 200, here it is, 200 miles north of the Arctic Circle.
- 44:03Tromso is the is the place that she went to.
- 44:06It's a small island of about 70,000 inhabitants.
- 44:10And because it's so far north, they have extreme changes in daylight between the seasons.
- 44:16So in the winter, it's virtually dark 24 hours a day, and in the summer it's virtually light 24 hours a day.
- 44:24Uh, they have two months of midnight sun in the summer, the sun never sets, and in the winter they have the opposite.
- 44:34It's called polar night.
- 44:37So Liebowitz talks about how she went there to study how sad people are.
- 44:42She wanted to to see how badly it was, expecting it to be super bad, because here in America, that's all you hear about.
- 44:49Seasonal affect disorder.
- 44:51People get depressed in the winter, winter's awful.
- 44:53Listen to the words that they use.
- 44:55It's terrible, it's awful, uh, it's brutal, it's the worst, it's terrible.
- 45:01I hate living here.
- 45:03On and on and on it goes.
- 45:05Now, my son left in the morning on a field trip, one of my sons.
- 45:11It was 20 degrees.
- 45:14We have a very short summer season in Pennsylvania where I'm at.
- 45:19It was literally 20 degrees.
- 45:21He was wearing shorts and a t-shirt to go on a field trip outside.
- 45:27And we used to fight him a little bit on that.
- 45:30My wife more than me, because I'm a I'm a lover of the cold.
- 45:34I just, I love it, I embrace it.
- 45:37Uh, I love cold exposure.
- 45:39I love walking barefoot in the snow.
- 45:41I just, I love all of it.
- 45:44And uh winter motivates us, it excites us.
- 45:49We can't get enough of it.
- 45:51We love the snow, we love the cold, we love all of it.
- 45:56But a lot of people hate it.
- 45:57And so they talk about seasonal affect disorder, and it's terrible, it's awful.
- 46:01Uh, we've been called stupid.
- 46:03I've I've been told we're gonna call our kids, we're gonna call CYS on your kids because if we see them out in the yard, uh shirtless and shoeless, we're we're gonna call CYS on them.
- 46:15I'm like, uh, knock yourselves out.
- 46:18It's they love doing it.
- 46:19They love the cold, they love the snow.
- 46:21They can't get enough of it.
- 46:24And so anyway, Carrie Libowitz goes to Norway, and she found out something really surprising.
- 46:32The first thing she noticed when she got there is wait, the taxicab drivers like really happy and polite.
- 46:41But then she started meeting more and more people, and she found out that everybody was happy.
- 46:48And everybody was polite.
- 46:51And she's like, wait, what in the world is going on here?
- 46:54So she started asking them about seasonal affective disorder.
- 46:58She's like, How do you guys survive seasonal affective disorder?
- 47:02And they're like, seasonal what now?
- 47:04They had never heard of it.
- 47:06They didn't, like, even the concept.
- 47:08She explained the concept, and they didn't understand.
- 47:11They could not comprehend this idea that people sit around feeling sorry for themselves and getting depressed in the wintertime.
- 47:19Like that didn't register for them.
- 47:22And that's at a place where two months out of the year, they get no sunlight.
- 47:27It's dark 24 hours a day.
- 47:32They couldn't get it.
- 47:34They couldn't understand it.
- 47:38What in the world are you talking about?
- 47:40So she starts doing the study, and what she found out is that the reason they can't comprehend that is because they go into winter with a really positive attitude.
- 47:51They live there.
- 47:52That's the weather.
- 47:54And so it just is what it is.
- 47:58So when they go into winter, they they plan social activities.
- 48:04They find ways to keep themselves engaged and busy and active, physically active, mentally active.
- 48:12They visit each other's homes and they sit around the fire and they drink coffee and they just they love they love the winter time.
- 48:21And actually, some of them reported liking winter time even more because it was a time where they could slow down a little bit.
- 48:30They could slow down and use that as more of a social time because in the summer that's when you get the work done, right?
- 48:37That's when you're you're out doing the yard work and you're farming and you're fishing and you're doing all the all the things outside.
- 48:44And so in the wintertime, they get to breathe a little bit.
- 48:48And they're like, we absolutely love it.
- 48:51We can't get enough of it.
- 48:54So that was really foreign to her.
- 48:56So they've rewritten psychological journals based on her research.
- 49:04And they found that seasonal affective disorder is actually a social construct.
- 49:12And that uh that's really, really fascinating to me.
- 49:15So I'm saying all that to say that it's the social aspect that we're really missing in America.
- 49:22Or at least we were.
- 49:32Uh, for the naysayers and the people who are like, oh, this is a bunch of snowflakes that they just can't man up and pay their bills, and this is so ridiculous.
- 49:43And this just proves how weak and how soft the younger generation is.
- 49:48Back in my day, right?
- 49:50When something starts with back in my day, you know, it's gonna be rich.
- 49:56I I think we should celebrate this.
- 49:58Here's a quote.
- 50:00This is going back to the CNN article.
- 50:03Surrey agrees that the right partner makes all the difference.
- 50:07Quote, the person you choose to do admin night with matters a ton because that's your accountability partner.
- 50:15I love the social aspect.
- 50:18It makes these boring tasks feel lighter and more fun.
- 50:22Did you catch that?
- 50:26I love the social aspect.
- 50:33I'm telling you, young people crave social interactions, face to face, seeing people literally.
- 50:44So how does that apply to life?
- 50:45Well, in every single aspect.
- 50:47A lot of churches.
- 50:48I know a lot of my friends who are like, man, we need to, the young people, they speak technology.
- 50:54And so we need to add more videos in the sermon, and we need to, we need to really harness technology and AI and all like they're just going berserk about all this stuff.
- 51:04And I'm like, no, actually, what the young people crave is the very thing that you're robbing them of.
- 51:13They crave face to face.
- 51:16They crave, they long for that interaction.
- 51:20We were created by God in his image to be social people.
- 51:31To care for one another.
- 51:33To pray for one another.
- 51:36To share ideas with, to share life with.
- 51:41We were created for that.
- 51:45And so we we try to strip that away and call that normal.
- 51:51And people right now, it's just every study points this way.
- 51:55People are addicted to social media.
- 51:58Doomsday scrolling, where they just sit for hours and just scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll.
- 52:06It's short after short, real after real.
- 52:10Scroll, scroll, scroll, and they're not satisfied.
- 52:16And then we wonder why people are depressed and people are uneasy and why they can't do simple things like creating and finishing administrative tasks.
- 52:28You know, the problem is not with people.
- 52:32They're not inherently broken.
- 52:34The problem is that we don't value social connection anymore.
- 52:40And so the reason this is so viral right now, and I hope I really hope that it stays viral.
- 52:46I really do.
- 52:46I think it's great.
- 52:47I think it's fantastic.
- 52:50But it's that social connection.
- 52:55So the article, the CNN article, it says, you know, you may as well enjoy yourself, have fun.
- 53:02Get your task done and have social time, enjoy it.
- 53:09It says for Surrey, that enjoyment is a chocolate chip cookie.
- 53:14It's my treat to myself every time we go.
- 53:18You know, it really doesn't take a lot of complexity to make us humans happy.
- 53:25I feel like sometimes we just overcomplicate life and we're like, oh, well, what's the next biggest thing?
- 53:30And how do we, how do we plan and how do we check the demographics and is this really going to resonate with people?
- 53:35And how do we take it to the next level that right?
- 53:39Level up.
- 53:39That's a term that we've embraced.
- 53:41How do I level up?
- 53:44Sometimes we just got to strip away all the complexity and just be simple.
- 53:48A chocolate chip cookie.
- 53:50That's my reward.
- 53:51That's my treat to myself.
- 53:54I go, I talk, I laugh, I enjoy myself, I get my administrative tasks done, and I enjoy my chocolate chip cookie.
- 54:06Chipman and Surrey start their admin night by catching up for 10 to 15 minutes.
- 54:12Next, they'll wrap up their chat and ask each other, what are you working on?
- 54:18According to Chipman.
- 54:24Varying needs and demands for creative projects or quote, I'm behind on life tasks.
- 54:33Give reason to check in on the agenda.
- 54:38Then they establish ground rules.
- 54:41Make sure there's not a lot of gray or wiggle room.
- 54:47They just get it done.
- 54:49Then they have more fun.
- 54:51They finish a task, they enjoy it, they work on it for about 25 minutes.
- 54:56Uh, they rest, they repeat, and they just do it until the tasks are done.
- 55:03And then they just enjoy the night.
- 55:07People customize the the work nights, the admin nights.
- 55:13They do an admin date night.
- 55:14This is what I was talking about before.
- 55:17What my wife and I do.
- 55:20For McCole uh Capetta, a content creator based in Portland, Oregon, and her husband, admin date night is a monthly ritual that has transformed both their finances and their relationship.
- 55:32I love this.
- 55:33I absolutely love this.
- 55:38You know, why not combine administrative things that we have to do anyway and just turn it into a date and have fun.
- 55:46Enjoy yourselves.
- 55:49We love the sense of accomplishment.
- 55:52Just as humans in general, we love feeling accomplished.
- 55:55And if we love feeling accomplished, let's accomplish things that need to get done anyway.
- 56:00Let's enjoy each other's company.
- 56:02Let's have fun.
- 56:03Let's have some laughs, eat some food.
- 56:06We have to do that anyway.
- 56:07Drink a couple drinks.
- 56:10We prefer water in my family.
- 56:12And uh just enjoy it.
- 56:14This is such a cool story.
- 56:16It's a cool trend, and I really hope it picks up more momentum.
- 56:20And uh Americans can really enjoy being productive together, reconnecting with each other, and just having an all-out fun time.
- 56:28Life is short.
- 56:29Let's enjoy it.
- 56:30That, my friends, is the hidden lightness.
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