Latest / The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast / #189: Jeremy Fischer-MVA Training

Transcript

#189: Jeremy Fischer-MVA Training · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

• 0:10
  Track and field coach, the ones that point
• 0:24
  people most every season. He's the voice of reason.
• 0:27
  Speaking, the growth gotta prep for you carry the load.
• 0:30
  Talk to the stove. For those of us, stay on the go
• 0:33
  pop, the handle, staying in the zone.
• 0:34
  What you packing for the role is more than one way to go taking
• 0:38
  those tests. And you told it ain't practice
• 0:40
  it before it became clear. You can't happen to you.
• 0:42
  Listen with both ears, can't Mentor, without a mentor, kids
• 0:46
  of experience, you can reinvent those kids.
• 0:48
  Every plans got to stand and deliver in the price sacrifice,
• 0:52
  can you give up Hugh its choice and to fight not to win or lose?
• 0:56
  It's not a boy, but if I see, y'all can make more movies, not
• 0:59
  about how to All about why you don't know what you're you know
• 1:02
  who you are inside. Six, many ways to die.
• 1:05
  She's not absorb. Your faults Finish Line.
• 1:07
  The work ain't done. So we learn from the experts to.
• 1:10
  Y'all got to put in the legwork Gil athletic shoes Network.
• 1:13
  It's all about Connections put together for the profession to
• 1:16
  every track coach could be blessed.
• 1:32
  Alright, welcome back here to the glove but it's connections
• 1:35
  track and field podcast. I got so many words and that
• 1:37
  title the Gill podcast. You know where you're at.
• 1:40
  Hopefully this is your first time boy, you have hit play on a
• 1:44
  doozy, you know, I'm recording with him right now.
• 1:47
  So I don't know how it's going. We're going to go through this
• 1:49
  journey together but we got an amazing guest today.
• 1:51
  So you have picked the right first one.
• 1:54
  If this is your second third, 50th 100.
• 1:57
  I mean, we're getting close to 200 episodes here now.
• 1:59
  So maybe you're getting close to 200 yourself.
• 2:01
  Welcome back. I can just so so grateful that
• 2:03
  you continue to press play on the Gill podcast.
• 2:06
  And, you know, really it's all about the guests and their
• 2:08
  journey, and we've got a great one today here.
• 2:10
  So, let's hop right into it, longtime friend here for me.
• 2:12
  So, this is going to be an absolute blast.
• 2:14
  Help me. Welcome coach extraordinaire.
• 2:16
  He's with MVA training. We're going to learn about that
• 2:18
  as well. But help me, welcome the wise,
• 2:20
  the wonderful, mr. Jeremy Fisher, Jeremy, how are
• 2:22
  you? I'm doing, well, thanks for
• 2:24
  having me. Yeah, man, welcome to the show
• 2:26
  and thanks for being here, man. This is a, this is a treat for
• 2:29
  me. I, you know, there's some some
• 2:30
  real special people to me. And you're one of them Jeremy.
• 2:33
  So it's fun to, you know, be able to share your journey with
• 2:36
  others and also just a kind of love on you, man.
• 2:38
  I just tell you how awesome you are.
• 2:39
  And you know, I mean what we do, you know, we've done it
• 2:42
  together. Every we have a good coaching
• 2:45
  education in the very early, Boise back in cash, 2001 or two,
• 2:48
  or something like that. And you know, we came up
• 2:51
  together. I remember when you were
• 2:52
  coaching a Ball State, so you always pick a coach in my eyes,
• 2:55
  regardless. Hey, I'll tell you.
• 2:57
  That is something I struggle with a little bit here before we
• 3:00
  get into a Jeremy. You know, I have people, I'm
• 3:03
  real big on Twitter, like, that's kind of where I live, you
• 3:06
  know, people talk about the Multiverse or the metaverse, I
• 3:08
  just live on Twitter. That's where my life is, right?
• 3:11
  And I will have people that will say, hey, great job coach or
• 3:14
  hey, thanks for saying that coach, and I get a little on
• 3:18
  edge about that, because I'm not a coach anymore.
• 3:21
  And I hold that title at such a high esteem.
• 3:24
  Like, I feel like, it's almost like, oh, no.
• 3:26
  I'm actually, I'm taking away from people like Jeremy and Boo
• 3:29
  and Joel, and Petros like, you know, it's a But it's so
• 3:33
  honorable that someone would still call me coach, you know,
• 3:36
  it's weird for me, but it for you can't take it away.
• 3:40
  It's like, we have an expression that once an Olympian always in
• 3:43
  locating such thing, as a former Olympian, you're an Olympian.
• 3:46
  It's the same thing as a coach at the you affected people's
• 3:50
  lives, while you were coaching. And so, they'll always see you
• 3:53
  as coach. And, you know, we'll talk a
• 3:54
  little bit about it, but I know you and I, and, you know, every
• 3:57
  other coach or athlete was affected by a coach, some time,
• 4:02
  though. If I mean it could have been my
• 4:04
  sixth grade basketball coach or you know, my 6th grade soccer
• 4:07
  coach, but they had positive effects in our lives.
• 4:10
  So they'll always be coach. And so I think I think it's a
• 4:13
  badge of honor. I know you respect it because
• 4:16
  you work with but you to me that's where your beginning was
• 4:19
  was a coach. So yours is always a coach you
• 4:22
  know that that really helped me actually Jeremy because it's a
• 4:25
  little bit like man, I you know, I'd be like if you called
• 4:27
  someone who's not a doctor a doctor it's like that they
• 4:29
  didn't earn that title and maybe Dr. Eve or so for me it's so
• 4:34
  held such high esteem so you saying that really that means a
• 4:37
  lot to me. Thank you for so no but I mean
• 4:39
  you know there are people who cooks for how many years and you
• 4:43
  know so you affected a lot of people you know they they don't
• 4:46
  see you as you know Mike you know huge big Gil, you know,
• 4:51
  equipment provider, you know for championships and everything
• 4:54
  else, you know, they see you as a hey you know, my Cunningham my
• 4:58
  my track coach from All State or even before that way.
• 5:02
  Ever, you know it was a so so I think.
• 5:05
  Yeah. You're once a coach always a
• 5:06
  coach. I like that.
• 5:07
  That means a lot man. Thank you.
• 5:08
  Well, speaking of that lets get into your store here Jeremy,
• 5:12
  where does, you know, at some point.
• 5:15
  And usually, I say for guest, I go, assuming you were an athlete
• 5:19
  and we got to do talk a little bit about your athleticism, you
• 5:22
  were an athlete, my friend, holy cow, love that part of your
• 5:25
  journey, but at some point coaching switched in your mind,
• 5:30
  it became from something that was done to You, hey, Jeremy, go
• 5:33
  jump this. Go lift this somewhere along the
• 5:36
  way it had to be like, oh wait a minute.
• 5:38
  Like I could be a coach. Like this could be my profession
• 5:41
  one day. Where does coaching begin for
• 5:43
  you? Yeah, I didn't.
• 5:47
  It's kind of an even with track. I mean, my you talked about I
• 5:50
  was 74 high jumper was, you know, state champion,
• 5:53
  California, national champ, all that kind of stuff when I was in
• 5:56
  high school senior year but I started Tracking not so much
• 5:59
  sophomore year my freshman year. I got hurt.
• 6:02
  And then didn't get to really do it.
• 6:04
  And then sophomore year was really my first year of doing
• 6:07
  track. I didn't do summer track and
• 6:08
  stuff so I kind of got into it late and I want to be the next,
• 6:11
  Michael Jordan. You know, my teams were the
• 6:14
  Chicago Bulls and the UNLV Running Rebels with Jerry
• 6:17
  tarkanian players were like Stacey augmon and Larry Johnson
• 6:23
  and those guys. And I wanted to be, you know,
• 6:26
  like I wanted to go to UNLV play basketball and you know, then go
• 6:33
  Plenty of. Yeah, but in fact head even
• 6:36
  though I could, you know, hit my head on the rim, you know, I
• 6:39
  learned really quick that there's guys who can jump just
• 6:42
  as high as I can and they're 65. It is there's not many Muggsy
• 6:46
  Bogues in this world that you were that sort.
• 6:48
  But there ain't that many people that overcome that but Muggsy
• 6:51
  Bogues always very strong and I was probably 125 pounds, you
• 6:55
  know, soaking wet and so I just that body frame everyone.
• 7:01
  So Just you know, you gravitate to areas where you have success.
• 7:06
  And so I jump, they said 611 3/4 much sophomore, first year and
• 7:10
  then a jump. 72 is Junior and 74 is the senior, so it track
• 7:15
  became kind of a thing. But like if you ask me, probably
• 7:19
  through college, I still love basketball and you know, it
• 7:23
  ended up being kind of a sore spot for me because I kept
• 7:26
  trying to play intramural basketball and all that kind of
• 7:29
  stuff and you know even at ncaa's The basketball games that
• 7:33
  don't contest. The high jumpers would have,
• 7:35
  like, literally, we didn't care about the high jump contest.
• 7:37
  I mean, it was important, but we wanted to play a basketball game
• 7:41
  and we all got together at every NCAA.
• 7:43
  Is that right? Yeah.
• 7:45
  So, I mean, Eric Bishop chain, Levi.
• 7:49
  Make the leap for myself. I mean everybody, we all be
• 7:52
  played this epic game, where there's most epic dunks and
• 7:55
  craziness, and so I like that, like, that's the sub history, no
• 7:59
  one unless they were involved in those, you know, like the
• 8:02
  Infamous after track social, like, just most people just
• 8:05
  don't know about those kind of aspect.
• 8:07
  So is this kind of a? Was it a tradition that was
• 8:10
  before you or did you guys kind of start this?
• 8:12
  Yeah, it was I think it was before me.
• 8:15
  It was kind of like we started talking and it was like okay
• 8:18
  where's the game? And some of the loans, a would
• 8:20
  show up some of this person who ever loved basketball.
• 8:22
  Yeah. And we'd find a place to play
• 8:24
  whether it was a local YMCA or whatever that was close to where
• 8:28
  ncaa's was and, you know, it was crazy because you'd have Guy who
• 8:32
  basically jump, like, 611 didn't do very well who's 275 hugging a
• 8:37
  and then he playing the game and you're like, how did you only
• 8:39
  chose 6:00? But because he's, you know,
• 8:41
  almost like literally hitting his head on the room and, you
• 8:44
  know, stuff like that. We're just it was hilarious.
• 8:46
  And it was epic and it almost became like that was the thing
• 8:49
  to look forward to. And it's place because it was
• 8:51
  like, okay, two seasons over. Hmm, College standpoint.
• 8:54
  So it was like the first time literally some of them, you
• 8:57
  know, you talked to Nathan and chain, they played basketball
• 9:00
  during the season. Even even Jesse Williams.
• 9:04
  He, you know, he was always playing basketball, that was
• 9:07
  issued all right. But, you know, yeah, we it was
• 9:11
  for some of us it's like I hadn't played basketball and six
• 9:14
  months. So it was like, man, I get to
• 9:16
  play now and if I get hurt, it doesn't matter.
• 9:19
  So you can say nothing coach. Yeah, exactly.
• 9:23
  I just scored points or whatever.
• 9:25
  So, let's go do this. You went to a really great
• 9:28
  University. I've become really good friends
• 9:30
  with some of the support staff. From coaches there at u-dub and
• 9:33
  have come and gone to some of the bigger cross-country meets
• 9:36
  up there. Really, I mean, beautiful
• 9:38
  campus. Beautiful school.
• 9:39
  Did you ever contemplate trying out for the basketball team
• 9:42
  there? No, I'm not at most that good.
• 9:44
  Yeah, I mean I can see, I was, I was just wasn't, you know, the
• 9:47
  biggest thing about college is the physicality and I wasn't a
• 9:51
  physical player, I was a finesse player and quite frankly, like,
• 9:54
  I don't even play my senior year, I gave it up because I
• 9:57
  signed the scholarship with Wisconsin and chose to go there
• 10:01
  and so Again, I was late, you know kind of getting reviewed
• 10:05
  sidetracked because your question is, how do you get to
• 10:07
  this? But yeah, so I started really
• 10:11
  started track late and then, you know, even at Wisconsin, it was
• 10:17
  like, you know, we'd won the Triple Crown pretty much every
• 10:20
  year, as everything, for pedantic a ballets, I've
• 10:23
  finished you a runner-up that NCAA is and however many other
• 10:27
  time All-American. I don't even know what that was.
• 10:28
  When all Americans only top six, you know, it wasn't even up
• 10:31
  eight. Oh.
• 10:32
  Is that right? Oh wow.
• 10:34
  There's only top six and you got a trophy or a little plaque at
• 10:36
  your top six and that's not good.
• 10:39
  Yeah, so it's crazy how much it's changed and how you know,
• 10:42
  how great like the u.s. tfcc a has done for their support
• 10:45
  because you know, back then, you know, there was no second team
• 10:49
  All-American, write all of that. So it was you finish top six and
• 10:55
  you get a trophy and then your All-American or you're not, you
• 10:58
  know, I kind of like that, you know, like that cut through it.
• 11:00
  Like, man, there's only six, but yeah.
• 11:02
  Yeah, there was no ineligibility thing.
• 11:06
  So like, you know, I remember jumping his athletes and they
• 11:09
  hadn't been to class all semester, but you dated cut you
• 11:13
  until they didn't get you. Ineligible till like the
• 11:16
  summertime, right? He didn't say a.
• 11:18
  So there wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna pull you before regionals
• 11:21
  arm to pull you before I do. So I remember compete against.
• 11:24
  I won't put his name on. Yeah, so I don't name this.
• 11:26
  Yeah, no. But I'm sitting there going,
• 11:28
  man. I just finished my, you know, I
• 11:30
  did a double major in molecular biology.
• 11:32
  Nutritional science. And I'm sitting there like, you
• 11:34
  know struggling because I had a senior thesis and I was like,
• 11:37
  oh, I remember getting it done and then, you know, getting on a
• 11:41
  plane to ncaa's. I think it was in the ER know,
• 11:45
  what think we drove to in Annapolis and 90s.
• 11:48
  And I think we finished fourth and but I had a terrible me
• 11:51
  because I was just so stressed out about my finals because then
• 11:54
  I would start grad school next year and I'm talking to, you
• 11:57
  know, the guy you know, one of the kids I think the Texas guy
• 12:01
  he He won Ivan Wagner came out of nowhere.
• 12:04
  One jump like 2:30 and it was impressive because it was like
• 12:08
  60 degrees and one of the athletes he was top three
• 12:11
  though, he's like, yeah, I've just played basketball, you
• 12:13
  know, go to practice, I have my products and the whole semester.
• 12:16
  I'm like, no, it's so it was just a different.
• 12:21
  So you just mentioned you. This is amazing and I knew this,
• 12:25
  I could remember the exact major but I knew you took a major that
• 12:27
  I could barely spell molecular biology and you say no.
• 12:32
  Christian Science. Yeah, Mr. Hudson, what was your
• 12:35
  thought process going into college to study?
• 12:37
  Those were you thinking of going to become a coach, or was it a
• 12:40
  scientist or? I don't know what the hell I've
• 12:43
  since the age of like six, or seven, I knew I want to be an
• 12:46
  orthopedic surgeon, really kind of funny to sit there.
• 12:51
  I'm so amazed at all. The people I graduated school
• 12:54
  with like, I just, we'll get into it later but I just, you
• 12:58
  know, walk the usatf and we're not working for them anymore, so
• 13:01
  forth. Last 12 years, I was the
• 13:03
  director of the resins program and so we you know stop doing
• 13:06
  that on September at the last day of September this this year.
• 13:09
  And so so up until that I was the director of that.
• 13:14
  So I had one of my teammates who was like but you know, he's a
• 13:18
  Supreme Court judge in the state of Wisconsin who helped me, but
• 13:22
  it's just amazing because, like, you know, I have a roommate who
• 13:25
  is orthopedic surgeon and a has a PHD in biomedical engineering.
• 13:31
  I have My other roommate, he's a cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic
• 13:37
  one teammate before. He's the head of radiology at
• 13:41
  University Wisconsin Madison and so cool is Campbell.
• 13:44
  Yeah. No I went to school with some
• 13:46
  fun, unbelievable intelligent minds and stuff like that.
• 13:49
  It was like perf example. I think I was taking in organic
• 13:51
  chem or something, and they couldn't find a tutor because it
• 13:54
  was such a high level class. So I actually had one of my
• 13:56
  teammates tutor me. I got it set up so that he could
• 14:00
  get paid to help me, you know, with Mike.
• 14:02
  Class. And so I went, I mean that's
• 14:05
  kind of why I went to Wisconsin was academics besides that time.
• 14:08
  We were very successful. Like I said one, we literally
• 14:12
  won the Triple Crown every year I was there.
• 14:13
  And and then finished fourth that ncaa's is the team.
• 14:17
  And but I went there for free, we don't have pre-med.
• 14:21
  So it was more just like with medical track and kind of
• 14:25
  through it, you know, and through the process and doing
• 14:27
  everything that was supposed to kind of go, you know, I I had a
• 14:32
  lot of different offers. I mean it's crazy like, you
• 14:35
  know, I had a, you know, summer intern with flies or so I was
• 14:38
  offered a, you know, very well paying job.
• 14:40
  They had like this minority leadership thing through Pfizer.
• 14:44
  Then like, even like I was helping one of my roommates and
• 14:49
  one of my best friend's to this day, he was the manager for
• 14:52
  basketball. And so when I was going to get
• 14:54
  Masters even like, so you'll love this Dick Bennett.
• 14:58
  He was, he was the coach and his son.
• 15:01
  Now, is that Virginia forget his first name, but I know they just
• 15:05
  went to message a few years ago and he was assistant and they
• 15:09
  were like, well, you know, maybe you want to BJ for basketball,
• 15:11
  you know, or something like that.
• 15:13
  And so ahead and weird kind of different offers.
• 15:15
  But by then I kind of was like, pretty much said, you know, just
• 15:19
  I'm I'm going to go to med school, do all this.
• 15:23
  And then I went out for track because I was there, I was
• 15:26
  getting another Masters. I was, you know, kind of
• 15:29
  training for the trials and 2000, like once you come out and
• 15:33
  help track, you know, and so I got to work with Jerry
• 15:35
  Schumacher and I get to be his GA for, you know, cross-country
• 15:39
  and stuff like that. And obviously, in the spring,
• 15:42
  the fall and I traveled with the cross country, team, drove the
• 15:45
  buses. And, you know, for the Vans and
• 15:48
  all that kind of stuff and Jerry is amazing to me and just
• 15:51
  watching his success, right? On was like, wow, unbelievable.
• 15:55
  And yeah, I mean obviously, he's hella director track and field
• 15:58
  at Oregon and the soundtrack was doing was Successful programs.
• 16:02
  And so then I, you know, was like, okay well let me try this
• 16:08
  track thing and it was kind of that late thing.
• 16:11
  I'm like, high jumping where it was late.
• 16:12
  I got into it, I was like, oh God, I love this.
• 16:15
  And I'm great at it but because of my, you know, nice thirst for
• 16:21
  knowledge, I went, that's when I, you know, was like, okay, I
• 16:25
  need to coaching education. I needed to learn something else
• 16:27
  besides the Wisconsin way to do things well, so that Was the
• 16:31
  level coaching education and everything else.
• 16:34
  I mean it's quite interesting because you know the track that
• 16:37
  you kind of had set yourself on since 6 years old by the way,
• 16:41
  was to do this amazing thing, you know, become a surgeon.
• 16:44
  I mean there, I mean Good. Golly, that's just amazing,
• 16:47
  right? Me, who has the skill set for
• 16:49
  that very, very small percentile of people that have the passion
• 16:53
  to do it and then can actually go out and do the education and
• 16:56
  the experience part of it, what was it?
• 16:58
  So you're on this high-level track Internships are in front
• 17:02
  of you and you go help out the cross-country team, which I
• 17:04
  thought was interesting, not necessarily you didn't mention
• 17:07
  the track team your time on the cross country team, what was it
• 17:10
  about coaching? That was like, oh, maybe I
• 17:12
  should give this a try. It just, you know, it was one of
• 17:15
  those things almost like it felt like a, you know, comfortable
• 17:18
  pair of shoes. It just fit, you know, it really
• 17:21
  well and then it was but then I knew the limitations of my
• 17:25
  ability so I knew that like I don't really know a lot about.
• 17:30
  I mean, I can tell You the the macro micro all that kind of
• 17:34
  stuff about the cellular development and everything else,
• 17:38
  but I don't know much, I mean, I took what one physiology class.
• 17:41
  I never took an exercise fitness class.
• 17:43
  I never I mean I took physics but I never took biomechanics
• 17:46
  class. So I sat there and was like, I
• 17:48
  need to know more about this and so, you know, and nutty comb
• 17:53
  who, you know, most winning coach and, you know, Ed's
• 17:56
  amazing in the Hall of Fame and everything.
• 17:58
  He's, you know, I remember, His quote don't get into coaching
• 18:02
  for the money you're going to have literally like your if you
• 18:06
  want to be a doctor you're going to make you know how about you
• 18:10
  make. And if you be attract coach,
• 18:12
  you're going to make the never make six figures.
• 18:15
  This is closed and how things have changed, right?
• 18:19
  You know. And so for me it was like, I was
• 18:21
  like, you know what, though, I rather make fifty sixty thousand
• 18:24
  dollars as a limit but enjoy my job every day it did instead.
• 18:31
  Ed of, you know, doing something where, and I talked to my
• 18:34
  friends, you know, cardiologist or the people, they hate it.
• 18:36
  They some of them are out of it. They found other ways to get out
• 18:39
  of it and some of them, you know, kind of whatever and not
• 18:41
  to put their business out, you know.
• 18:43
  We're talking about multiple marriages.
• 18:45
  Yeah, they have money. But it's they don't enjoy their
• 18:49
  job or another Avenue to do their job.
• 18:52
  That's not practical. So, so, you know, I think I
• 18:56
  definitely, I never case of the Mondays, you know, it's like we
• 18:59
  always say, if you do something, We never work a professional day
• 19:02
  of your life. I have done plenty of jobs that
• 19:05
  don't allow, you know, that our jobs and but professionally, I
• 19:10
  haven't worked, you know, single day.
• 19:11
  And so from that point on I knew, okay, I want to be a
• 19:15
  coach, I love this and you know, and it allowed me to train
• 19:19
  through 2000. Take a finished 7th.
• 19:22
  The trials had a terrible competition, but you know, end
• 19:25
  up jumping, you know, 76 that here.
• 19:27
  And then it's kind of like, okay.
• 19:29
  I want to do this coaching thing.
• 19:31
  And so, then that's when I took the job at Northridge and Cal
• 19:33
  State Northridge, and I was actually supposed to home he'd
• 19:36
  be like a g, a, and they just threw me and, you know, with the
• 19:41
  sharks, I'm 24 years old, and coaching 23 year olds, you know.
• 19:45
  And but I was like, okay, I'm going to get a masters in
• 19:48
  exercise. Fizzing, I can expand.
• 19:50
  So, you know, we had this conversation earlier, I remember
• 19:53
  listening to Dan path, and he was co-teaching, local three
• 19:57
  than I was in my second year of getting my masters and day.
• 20:01
  Talk. And I was like this guy needs to
• 20:03
  teach my my my good because I don't understand half of what he
• 20:07
  said. You know, it it was amazing and
• 20:11
  I was just so you know I've been I'm opposite.
• 20:15
  Most people I'm not a poopoo guy.
• 20:17
  I'm a guy who loves new information even information
• 20:21
  even information, that's not the norm.
• 20:24
  And so even for myself, I probably made decisions that
• 20:28
  were like I don't want to I kind of want to create My own path
• 20:31
  kind of thing. And so the North Ridge was a
• 20:34
  great time. I mean, I had made mistakes, you
• 20:37
  know, I made mistakes as a coach and maybe even technically and
• 20:39
  made them from kind of whatever. But I had, you know, Don stram,
• 20:43
  it's another, you STLCC a Hall of Fame.
• 20:45
  He allowed me to really grow while I was there and make
• 20:49
  mistakes and learn but I wasn't, you know, like okay, hey, go
• 20:53
  take the job at Florida as a young coach make mistakes and
• 20:56
  then you get fired. It was more like make mistakes
• 20:59
  and learn and We build your craft.
• 21:01
  And so for four years, when I was in Norfolk, I was getting
• 21:05
  all my certifications. I got my level 3.
• 21:08
  When you from usatf, I got my cscs while I was there.
• 21:12
  I got my USA weightlifting certification so even though
• 21:15
  they didn't pay me really that. Well, they did pay for all my
• 21:19
  certifications at the time. I got to work with Jeff McCauley
• 21:23
  who ended up being very successful college coach when
• 21:25
  mcatee who I are. One of the most it's a shame
• 21:29
  he's not in college he's one of The smartest humans I've ever
• 21:33
  met a keys. He is, he's brilliant, you know,
• 21:36
  and I, he really like kind of took me under his wing when I
• 21:40
  was there and I learned a lot because I mean, he basically
• 21:45
  like he has Masters and all that kind of stuff.
• 21:47
  But yeah. He's a very like good access to
• 21:52
  those guys. And so I learned a lot from him
• 21:54
  while I was there. Let's let's stay right there at
• 21:56
  Northridge real quick. Jeremy.
• 21:59
  What I'm interested in its In the way you talked about
• 22:02
  coaching track and field and like this challenge of like, oh,
• 22:05
  I need to learn more about it. Like I felt like it sounds like
• 22:08
  it sounds like you kind of see a challenge and you like to go,
• 22:11
  learn it kind of take it, heads on, whether you can do it or not
• 22:14
  right today? That's not going to stop you.
• 22:17
  I mean, that's, you know, even we'll talk a little bit about it
• 22:19
  with my own online business and all that kind of stuff bag
• 22:21
  during covid. I thought he took classes to
• 22:24
  create an online business or making my website and doing
• 22:28
  stuff. And so, for me, it's It's always
• 22:31
  like okay if I don't know something, I will talk to people
• 22:34
  who know more about it and I will also read up and study.
• 22:37
  It's just, you know, at the end of the day, I think really, what
• 22:41
  as coaches, we are teachers and some are more in the teaching
• 22:46
  aspect than others. And so I definitely, you know,
• 22:50
  teachings probably at the Forefront of my coaching, right?
• 22:54
  You know, I went from learning this stuff to then, you know, if
• 22:57
  you look I really helped rewrite the coaching education One.
• 23:01
  And then I just got finished last winter rewriting level 34 I
• 23:07
  Waf for the horizontal jumps. And so you know it was also one
• 23:12
  of those things, you know, you talked abou and was like hey
• 23:14
  what can I do? If it was like just give back to
• 23:16
  the sport. That's the thing that I've been,
• 23:20
  you know, kind of doing and stuff like that but you know
• 23:22
  then there's a time where now I'm like, okay I've given back
• 23:25
  to sport a given, now I got to pay you start taking care of
• 23:28
  myself and things like that but Northridge It was a fantastic
• 23:31
  time, I think, you know, it was cool because I was at Wisconsin,
• 23:35
  which is a power 5 and has, you know, endless amounts of support
• 23:38
  to Northridge where, you know, I mean, I don't even want to know
• 23:42
  what our budget book. But it was really amazing on how
• 23:45
  the creativity starts to flow because when you don't have the
• 23:50
  money, or the, you know, shop to make Cloud boxes.
• 23:54
  Uh-huh. You go.
• 23:55
  And you make them. Uh-huh.
• 23:57
  So, I made ramps, I made by Obama.
• 24:01
  I mean, I spent so many, you know, I'm getting a masters and
• 24:04
  coaching it in a teaching classes in the Kinesiology
• 24:08
  department, but I literally spent a lot of free weekends
• 24:13
  building stuff. So plyo boxes, you know, we
• 24:18
  built by remember Glenn and I we built with the space support out
• 24:23
  of wood and fencing and stuff like that.
• 24:26
  So that would stay off the ground and not wet things like
• 24:29
  that. And so we I spent so much time.
• 24:32
  Like that, that northward you put the creativity was uh, yeah.
• 24:37
  I was wondering, you know, and you were coached by a superb.
• 24:41
  High-level coach out. There was one of these guys that
• 24:43
  kind of can coach it all Mark Napier.
• 24:46
  But as an athlete, you know, it's a little different because
• 24:49
  there's you not necessarily. Now, you might have because of
• 24:51
  your kind of Bend towards education and learning not
• 24:55
  necessarily just doing what coach tells me.
• 24:57
  I want to kind of know why I'm doing this.
• 24:59
  But how did you find that? Position you go from athlete and
• 25:02
  you're still an athlete. Isn't regards to your training
• 25:04
  for the trials and you essays and things like that.
• 25:06
  But now you're in charge of a group.
• 25:08
  So now, instead of you going out and doing the high jump drills
• 25:11
  and speed and acceleration drills, now your programming,
• 25:15
  how did you find that transition and what maybe you struggled
• 25:18
  with, as you first started writing programmatically, I
• 25:21
  think it I think it was the level of the athlete and
• 25:26
  individuality I think I was conscious and kid be trained
• 25:30
  differently. Than you would train a kid at a
• 25:32
  Cal State Northridge, because we didn't really emphasize indoors.
• 25:35
  Uh-huh. Because we competed liked mpsf,
• 25:37
  and I think, even at Northridge, you know, we really like, you
• 25:41
  know, from where we were there. I think we were really good
• 25:44
  conference level team, till then we became kind of a national
• 25:47
  level, kind of, you know, Hannah step kind of kid, I mean, even
• 25:52
  though he, you know, and he coached a national champion, my
• 25:55
  second year, high jumper and then he got busted for weed
• 25:57
  after and but, you know, he's still on.
• 26:00
  They won the high jump, you know, but wasn't performing
• 26:04
  hansung but it was a lesson to learn as a coach of like, wow,
• 26:07
  this is, you know, is kind of crazy.
• 26:09
  And then years later de Chao Andrews won the long jump and
• 26:12
  then shortly after that had a another National Champion
• 26:18
  though, I'm forgetting his name right now.
• 26:19
  But, you know, you from from a program where literally, when I
• 26:22
  got there, I was like, oh, don't recruit these people.
• 26:24
  They'll never come to not only getting them and then having
• 26:27
  kids, you know, to build that and I take, you know, A lot of
• 26:32
  pride in that every program we went to, we want.
• 26:35
  So when I went as an athlete to Wisconsin, we hadn't won a
• 26:38
  conference Championship and how everybody years that we want, is
• 26:41
  that right? Oh, wow.
• 26:42
  I mean, it was, it was a while, is probably the 80s and then we
• 26:45
  won basically, you know, from that point we won three out of
• 26:49
  four. And then there's a class at a
• 26:51
  help recruit, why was a.j. there that won four out of four.
• 26:54
  Wow. And when the national indoor
• 26:56
  championship and so it was really cool to be a part of
• 26:59
  that. And then At Northridge, you know
• 27:02
  we kind of went conference here there.
• 27:03
  It's a pretty much we dominated the conference and then started
• 27:06
  having that we had the most national qualifiers that we ever
• 27:10
  had. And you know, from a team that
• 27:12
  had want Darcy REO, like and she was like a national champion T2
• 27:17
  way back in the day and you know, we had some good people
• 27:20
  way back in the sixties and seventies because you look at
• 27:23
  the Northridge tree, I mean you got art benegas and Coach
• 27:27
  Frazier, you have you have Bobby Kersey, you know, I mean, book
• 27:33
  little thing people don't know is, you know, that flow Florence
• 27:40
  Griffith. She went to Northridge before
• 27:42
  she transferred to UCLA, so she's hurt.
• 27:44
  She's that right Valerie. Briscoe hooks was it is it was a
• 27:48
  freshman. And then Bobby got the job at
• 27:50
  UCLA and all transferred, but it was deep.
• 27:53
  Wow. Yeah.
• 27:54
  So even the coaching tree is amazing at, you know,
• 27:57
  Northridge. I mean you had a, who's the
• 27:59
  longtime coach it Lucy when they were winning national
• 28:02
  championships Linda no no not bill.
• 28:05
  Yeah, a lot Bill. Well yeah, well yeah at
• 28:09
  Northridge so it's you go back, you know, Jeff Perkins at
• 28:13
  Irvine, you know, you just go back.
• 28:16
  What's his name? Yeah, Cowper at Louisville.
• 28:19
  Oh, that's right. Yeah, you know, even Raina had a
• 28:23
  cup of coffee writer at so you just it's crazy to see how many
• 28:29
  coaches, you know. Came through kind of the
• 28:32
  Northridge thing. And so you know, John to God who
• 28:35
  I work with and I did, he was he was Northridge grad so you know
• 28:40
  Avery Anderson. He was he was he got his first
• 28:44
  Northridge. So there's a big kind of
• 28:47
  coaching tree from Northridge and there's a talented athletes.
• 28:51
  I mean, in other words it was like, you know, it was constant.
• 28:53
  I was kind of back in the day you could do recruiting a little
• 28:55
  bit as a ga and stuff and it's crazy how much rules would
• 28:59
  change now, but now, At Northridge, it was like all the
• 29:03
  kids live within two hours of Campus.
• 29:05
  Hmm. And you know, we got a couple.
• 29:07
  We got a kid here and there from Colorado, Arizona or something
• 29:10
  like that, but mostly kids were there and they blend, I think
• 29:14
  had some connections with Canada.
• 29:15
  So you get kind of a kind of get kids there from time to time,
• 29:18
  but in Northridge was amazing, and it really grew and my
• 29:21
  commitment is, I'm honorable, and I'm committed.
• 29:24
  So I, I told myself even though I finished my Master's after two
• 29:28
  years or two and a half years, I made sure I Stayed there for
• 29:31
  you. I wanted one whole like
• 29:33
  coaching, you know, you're not that far removed from having one
• 29:37
  toe into the going to medical school.
• 29:40
  Route did this time at Northridge solidify?
• 29:43
  Like oh yeah, this is actually why I was put here on Earth.
• 29:46
  I'm supposed to be a coach. I think, the first two weeks of
• 29:50
  going out to coaching it, just felt like I just felt this
• 29:56
  energy. I felt, you know, is like,
• 30:00
  Sitting there studying for 45 hours because I'll tell myself
• 30:03
  I'm intelligent, but I'm not like super gifted.
• 30:06
  I'm not one of those people who can sit there and read something
• 30:09
  one time and then regurgitate everything, you know, it takes
• 30:12
  me a little bit longer, I can retain it, but it takes me
• 30:15
  longer. I do have to study, I have to
• 30:17
  work at what I do. And so, but like coaching, like,
• 30:22
  I'd go and I'd go coaching, someone would tell me something,
• 30:25
  and it's like, it just stuck. Or I shower, I look at Thinking
• 30:30
  interview or what about doing it this way and it was almost like,
• 30:33
  you know, kind of like, wow, that's that's a good way to
• 30:37
  think of it, you know, that's creative and so I think that was
• 30:43
  in that's kind of what, you know.
• 30:45
  I look at and then I took things from my own career and said this
• 30:48
  is what I liked about my career and this is things I didn't
• 30:51
  like. So let me coorporate this and
• 30:54
  have that little bit of influence on it, but it was one
• 30:57
  of those things have just like, you know, I go.
• 30:59
  Back burned, a right ahead burn was about progression, and that
• 31:03
  was probably one of the big things I really, really, really
• 31:07
  took away from him. Was that progression everything
• 31:10
  and doing things that, you know, make sense.
• 31:12
  So my rule to thumb, always is if we're doing something and I
• 31:16
  can't tell you why we're doing it, you don't have to do it,
• 31:20
  interesting. Everything's the bill to a, you
• 31:22
  know, a bigger platform or whatever needs to go to.
• 31:26
  Well, I love, you know, it's I'd say it's rare.
• 31:29
  In life that we find that thing that we were put on Earth for
• 31:33
  and actually find it to go into, right?
• 31:35
  Like, there's I think there's a amazing football players that
• 31:38
  actually were supposed to be doctors.
• 31:39
  In fact, what's the the guy you went to Florida State?
• 31:42
  Yeah, Malin real enroll I'm sure.
• 31:45
  I'm yeah, we roll We Roll. Yeah, I mean the guy was you
• 31:48
  know, a Rhodes scholar and it's like oh thank goodness.
• 31:51
  He found that because he couldn't play in the NFL, which
• 31:53
  no shame on that, but he's going to, he's making medical
• 31:56
  histories. Helping the medical field.
• 31:58
  So we it's hard for us too. Sometimes fine for a lot of
• 32:01
  different reasons. It's interesting to me that you
• 32:03
  know, you had and have the ability to become a doctor but
• 32:07
  thank goodness. You also be had the ability to
• 32:10
  high jump at a high enough level that you could go to a Wisconsin
• 32:13
  and find this coaching path as well.
• 32:15
  You could have been a 6-2 6-3 high jumper which hey that's
• 32:18
  still. I thought I can't jump one foot
• 32:20
  to 143, right and never got into that coaching side of it and
• 32:24
  been a doctor, which again is Noble.
• 32:25
  But it's you were put on this Earth to be a coach.
• 32:27
  And so, you know, in that Taste those first two weeks, it was
• 32:31
  like, oh my, where is this bin? Like this is where I'm here.
• 32:35
  So how where did you go into Northridge?
• 32:38
  And you did an amazing job with the, you know, the crew guys had
• 32:41
  their, coaching's were just fantastic.
• 32:44
  What was the next step? How did now that you, okay, I'm
• 32:46
  a coach. What was the kind of the next
• 32:48
  progression? What was your thought in regards
• 32:49
  to coaching? As far as a career?
• 32:51
  Yeah, you know, and so I definitely was into coaching
• 32:55
  actually, it was crazy so at Northridge you had to learn how
• 32:58
  to survive, right? And so, So, and that's not, you
• 33:01
  know, kind of it. I mean, all of us have spent
• 33:04
  thousands. I've spent hundreds of thousands
• 33:07
  of dollars giving back to the sport in different ways, you
• 33:10
  know, whether it's equipment or, you know, just different ways
• 33:16
  you find ways. And so, at the end of the day,
• 33:20
  it was funny. I remember my last year at
• 33:21
  Northridge I was paid 40 Grand. And that's like 2004-5.
• 33:26
  That's a lot of money. You know, for guy who I think my
• 33:28
  first year there I met 2000's, you know, and but what happened
• 33:34
  was, I actually started training on the side, like something like
• 33:38
  actors and some like athletes and stuff because that's the
• 33:42
  connection you have on there. And so it was interesting from
• 33:47
  that standpoint because I started to see kind of a new
• 33:51
  light of things. And so I you know, I got all my
• 33:54
  certifications that I wanted to do and because it was kind of
• 33:58
  lucrative from a cat A standpoint, you know it was
• 34:01
  almost like I was not quite double that but you know I was
• 34:05
  probably making you know, seven 75 thousand dollars and so I had
• 34:10
  a great life, I was living in Southern California, you know,
• 34:12
  45 minutes from where I grew up. And unfortunately, what happened
• 34:16
  was my mom passed away when I was there and it was kind of one
• 34:19
  of those, you know, my story. I was adopted.
• 34:22
  I was a son of a military man in Korea.
• 34:26
  I'm half Korean and stuff like that.
• 34:27
  So I think that's another Kind of Avenue for me, where I always
• 34:33
  feel humbled by everything because I could be homeless, in
• 34:36
  Korea, you know, something or whatever.
• 34:39
  And so when my adopted mom had passed away, I think it was kind
• 34:43
  of one of those times. It was like the perfect time to
• 34:45
  leave the most. It was like, I kind of want a
• 34:48
  new experience emotionally, obviously, her and I were so
• 34:51
  close and so it was kind of that.
• 34:54
  All right, I've done this smaller kind of thing.
• 34:58
  I got a few Got quite a few offers when I was at Northridge
• 35:01
  because of, you know, the success we had.
• 35:03
  But again, I wanted to be there for four years and I was leaving
• 35:07
  good athletes. But, you know, it was one of
• 35:09
  those things we always going to leave great athletes.
• 35:12
  And so, I decided, you know, Martin Smith, I knew him because
• 35:16
  he was at Wisconsin with me and then, right?
• 35:18
  Yeah. And I really liked the fact that
• 35:22
  Oklahoma's jumps, didn't hadn't been established.
• 35:27
  I, I liked a facility. They were kind of a sleeping
• 35:30
  giant kind of thing. And I thought, okay, we could do
• 35:33
  some really cool stuff. And so I took the job at
• 35:36
  Oklahoma and, you know, in the rest is history there, you know,
• 35:40
  had, you know, national champions, you know, we hadn't
• 35:43
  won a conference Championship and 20-something years.
• 35:45
  We went to. I was there when that had done
• 35:48
  absolutely zero, zip zilch and the help the class, they ended
• 35:51
  up finishing, fourth at Nationals, you know, and stuff.
• 35:54
  And, you know, there which will contain a boom.
• 35:57
  I got to work with I actually got to help recruit Jeremy said
• 36:02
  Barry, who's all right with it? I would say.
• 36:05
  Yeah, because he was a junior college kid.
• 36:08
  I think from Arizona, I forget, but yeah, I was there when
• 36:13
  Jeremy was there and it's pretty cool to see him kind of how
• 36:15
  successful he is. And then, you know, Bobby about
• 36:21
  this last name is Wisconsin guy and he was at know where Bob
• 36:24
  was? He is he a cal done?
• 36:29
  Forget Bobby's last name but you know he distance guy.
• 36:32
  Yeah, just not Lockhart Lockhart.
• 36:34
  Yeah. So he even live with me.
• 36:37
  Why was there? And then obviously will be
• 36:39
  Martin Mark Napier was there Jeff Perkins Daniel Boone gosh
• 36:46
  I'm forgetting. Oh and Brian blue trick?
• 36:49
  Yeah of course. Yeah so it was just it was a
• 36:53
  time of like a Okay, this is kind of cool because now we're
• 36:59
  at the national level. We have some we have that and
• 37:03
  you know the ad and when a couple Big 12 Championship.
• 37:05
  So, you know, get a trophy at Nationals to sit there and be
• 37:09
  able to be a part of that. That was my kind of take off
• 37:12
  more in a minute, one-time cash. We do the triple jump group.
• 37:15
  You know, even before will was there we were big Catalyst on
• 37:18
  winning our first championship, when we had, who scored long
• 37:22
  job, you know, scoring high jump to and we went one.
• 37:24
  Two, one, two. Six in the five or something
• 37:28
  down the triple jump and you know had multiple Walters
• 37:32
  Catholics everything so it was a fun time.
• 37:34
  It was a time for I learned a lot and I also learned kind of
• 37:40
  that the old college system wasn't for me kind of and so
• 37:47
  after about the fifth year I just was like I'm spending.
• 37:51
  I was recruiting coordinator. So I was working football and
• 37:53
  track and and I'm sitting there going like God.
• 37:57
  We're not really. We got, you know, eight hours
• 37:59
  and then get 20 hours and it was really hard to clue kind of what
• 38:04
  I wanted to do in that time. And, you know, NCAA rules, I
• 38:07
  want to get into the stuff that, you know, was ridiculous back in
• 38:11
  the day, but my dad got really sick after five years and it was
• 38:17
  just time to go and I'm a Southern California guy.
• 38:20
  No, thanks Norman, Oklahoma, but being a single guy in Norman,
• 38:24
  Oklahoma is just wasn't for me and and And I came back, no job.
• 38:29
  You know people offered I got offers and people and wanted me
• 38:33
  to go there, but I was just like, you know, I'm gonna go
• 38:35
  home and take care of my dad. I had some NFL and Major League
• 38:38
  Baseball guys. I was working with and, you
• 38:42
  know, really was like, okay, I'm going to spend this time, you
• 38:44
  know, taking care of my family, my dad what specifically well
• 38:48
  that's what, let's pause right there for a second gym.
• 38:50
  Because a couple things, you brought up that we need to
• 38:52
  discuss a little bit for the first of all, I'd be remiss if
• 38:55
  going back to when you're at now.
• 38:56
  Ridge, how you? And I actually met.
• 38:59
  So, you've heard me if you listen to the podcast at all,
• 39:03
  you've hopefully listen to the booth schexnayder podcast again.
• 39:06
  Number one podcast we've had. So if you haven't listened to
• 39:08
  it, press pause here. Go listen to it because it's
• 39:10
  well worth. And we're going to bring up
• 39:11
  something that Bou Said, based on what Jeremy said here in a
• 39:14
  second. But so it was 20, it was right
• 39:17
  in the middle when I was in at Ball State.
• 39:20
  So I was there O2 and O3, so it had been the summer of o2 Guru
• 39:25
  to. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 39:26
  Certification says so too. Okay, yeah, so I drove out from
• 39:30
  Muncie. Indiana to ball star to Boise
• 39:32
  State, beautiful campus, by the way, to do jumps, and it's funny
• 39:36
  because I was reluctantly to do jumps because I was a Sprint's
• 39:39
  hurdles coach. So I was supposed to take Sprint
• 39:41
  Turtles and might corn says, hey, I'm sorry, it's full.
• 39:44
  But we got a position in the jumps and you'll get a lot out
• 39:46
  of it and I was like, huh, I guess I have to coach jumps here
• 39:48
  at Ball State, so I guess I'll do it.
• 39:51
  Thank good. I mean, like, you talk about
• 39:52
  things that just, you know, I thought it was the worst thing
• 39:54
  in the world because I wasn't going to do Sprints and hurdles.
• 39:56
  But Oh my gosh, it was the best thing ever.
• 39:58
  I did jumps and in the jumps you were there as well.
• 40:02
  There is this guinea pig every time.
• 40:04
  Boo who was the teaching wanted to show?
• 40:06
  We'd go out to the track and you wanted to show hot progressions
• 40:10
  or single leg jump progressions. It was like hey Jeremy get over
• 40:14
  here and show us XYZ and you were, I mean you had a heck of a
• 40:18
  workout that week my friend because you did it all.
• 40:21
  But what an amazing time with boo is a teacher and I think,
• 40:25
  Ron and came over her Helpers. I think they were kind of
• 40:29
  learning to teach, so they were helping out.
• 40:31
  It was just a fantastic time for coaching Ed and for track in
• 40:35
  general, and you were right there at the.
• 40:37
  I mean, you are young. Pup you were, you know, you were
• 40:38
  still jumping for crying out loud during that time.
• 40:42
  Yep. I still was like 25 26.
• 40:44
  Yeah. Kind of training.
• 40:45
  And yeah it was funny cotton Wayne was in there too.
• 40:48
  So I knew I was missing him. Yep.
• 40:50
  It's so like I just you know I remember you know all of us
• 40:54
  coming up and together to see Different coaches at different
• 40:58
  places is, is pretty, is pretty amazing and so, yeah, I know
• 41:02
  that Boise State. It was crazy because we drove up
• 41:06
  from from Southern, California, me and Glenn.
• 41:10
  Mcatee, and we had missive Glenn and I had misinformation.
• 41:16
  So we're sitting there and we got there and we're just like,
• 41:19
  we went up to do some fishing, two sounds in there, out of the
• 41:23
  river. And we see a coach and the coach
• 41:25
  goes, hey, you know, It's got up.
• 41:27
  What do you think? We're here for the coaching at.
• 41:29
  He's like yeah, started, you know, today and we're like What
• 41:33
  He was an alumni so he didn't have to do over.
• 41:37
  I try thing until like the next day, but I was supposed to be in
• 41:39
  class, I showed up and I'm like, boo.
• 41:41
  I'm so sorry. Like I was a misinformation, I
• 41:43
  thought, you know, whatever, he's like, I just make up for
• 41:46
  it, kind of whatever you do now. Now, when I ask you to do
• 41:50
  something, you got to do it, this makes so much more sense.
• 41:56
  Now, Yeah. So so there, you know, so that I
• 41:59
  was like here's the most, here's the most non slacker person in
• 42:03
  the world slacker because you're out fishing.
• 42:05
  That's great. I love it.
• 42:06
  Yeah. And so we didn't know if it was
• 42:08
  just because Glenn was an Alum. So, you know, he loves started
• 42:11
  wait week. And so booze, like, well, when I
• 42:14
  asked you, who helped you got to help and I'm like anything you
• 42:17
  need this sir? Yes, sir.
• 42:18
  That's right. That's right.
• 42:20
  Well, something that you said that kind of sparked a memory
• 42:23
  from Booze episode with us back in.
• 42:27
  Blake 2021 is he talked about you mentioned about when you
• 42:31
  leave your tunnel leaving Northridge and even you know
• 42:34
  when the time was up at Oklahoma as well that you know, you're
• 42:38
  always going to leave athletes. Good athletes or athletes.
• 42:41
  You see a lot of potential and and that gets some people hung
• 42:43
  up sometimes, right? And boo had in a really amazing
• 42:48
  like like when he said this, I'm going to go to here in a second,
• 42:50
  but when he said it I looked and I was like, oh boo, you're not
• 42:52
  supposed to say that. Meaning like the oh that's that
• 42:55
  hurts. Like people when Say like this.
• 42:57
  And so what boo was talking about because we were talking
• 42:59
  about coaching is a profession and always working to get more
• 43:03
  pay. Not that money is the be-all
• 43:05
  end-all. But you, you have family and
• 43:07
  hobbies and you want to retire one day and things like that.
• 43:10
  And so he was really riffing on this part of it, because he has
• 43:13
  such great experience here and he said about, you know, leaving
• 43:16
  athletes and, you know, I'm the best at coach for them.
• 43:19
  He goes, well, how do you know if you really are supposed to be
• 43:21
  doing everything for the athlete?
• 43:22
  How do you know you leave in a better?
• 43:23
  Coach won't come in for them and that's I was like, oh, you know,
• 43:28
  we're not supposed to say that like we don't have to say,
• 43:30
  another coach could actually be better for our athletes, but you
• 43:33
  know that humility that he has, I might not be the best coach
• 43:37
  for this person. You got to kind of think about
• 43:39
  that as you're working towards your career, that hey, it's
• 43:42
  okay, there's always going to be athletes and maybe the next
• 43:44
  coach is better for them. Yeah, no, it's true.
• 43:46
  I mean I've learned you know later just because I've had
• 43:49
  success with the athletes I've had doesn't necessarily mean
• 43:52
  that I'd be successful across the board and you know, I mean
• 43:54
  I'll say it like some of the Things I did that.
• 44:00
  We're kind of. Like, if I look back at some of
• 44:02
  the mistakes I made in my professional later career was
• 44:05
  I'd come off this hot year where, you know, we had an
• 44:08
  amazing year and then I would take two or three more athletes
• 44:11
  and it took away from the quality of the work that I did.
• 44:15
  So ended up almost like kind of a, you know, the tide went down
• 44:20
  because of the fact that, you know, first of all, you know
• 44:24
  coaching like a will or Brittany.
• 44:26
  Your woowoo or, you know, whoever kind of work with their
• 44:30
  own 1% of 1%, you know, so what they do is different and then
• 44:35
  you know, having athletes that come in, it's like, okay, wait a
• 44:40
  minute, you're not really getting paid by them and they're
• 44:45
  not even if you get them to a certain level it's not helping
• 44:49
  you, right? And I hate to be cold and
• 44:51
  chalice like that. But you also have a job to those
• 44:55
  high-level athletes to Sure that they're taken care of and every
• 44:59
  person that you bring in that takes time away from them and
• 45:03
  be, you know, that and I've had success, I've had success, I've
• 45:07
  had great athletes, but I don't necessarily was I the best coach
• 45:11
  or was I this the best situation for them and was it fair to my
• 45:15
  other athletes by bringing them into and so and that was, you
• 45:20
  know, the college thing. It wasn't, you know, wasn't
• 45:23
  anything against College, it wasn't anything like that.
• 45:25
  It was really more of a personal Personal I want to take care of
• 45:28
  my family kind of thing. It was a good transition kind of
• 45:32
  thing and then you know, everything kind of took off from
• 45:36
  there and that's when I really feel like it's like if I have
• 45:41
  levels of coaching, it was like, okay, I started coaching and I
• 45:45
  did things. I went to my level 2 and did
• 45:48
  remember we had to do three level twos and then write a
• 45:50
  thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:52
  I hate putting this out here, but I will tell my court.
• 45:54
  I wrote The Thing. They made the transition and
• 45:57
  that whole thing with usatf and you STLCC a went through and
• 46:01
  never got my little three certification.
• 46:03
  I mean I ended up getting it later on again but I'll
• 46:05
  recognize they still owe me my job sir.
• 46:07
  Yeah. But so I felt like that was the
• 46:11
  first time where I kind of almost like a wild into another
• 46:14
  higher level code. And when well then let's keep
• 46:18
  pausing their whole lot because because I kind of, in my
• 46:21
  knowledge of you knew that this was a stepping up to a different
• 46:25
  level as well. So hang On for there a couple
• 46:27
  more questions to lead us into their.
• 46:29
  I'm curious about your own athleticism, you know, you
• 46:31
  jumped as high as seven foot six.
• 46:33
  When did you? And how did you make the
• 46:36
  decision that you were done being the athlete and focusing
• 46:39
  on the coaching side? Well God.
• 46:42
  Did that for me? Oh, is that right?
• 46:45
  Yeah. And I was like, it was in 2004
• 46:58
  and I felt like pan, I have the maturity to finally make this
• 47:02
  team because like in 2000, I didn't have the maturity because
• 47:05
  making the team with end all and be all for me, the 2004.
• 47:08
  I was like, this isn't going to make me back.
• 47:10
  This is just, you know, I had the maturity, I had the
• 47:13
  physical, I was healthy and I was making a great run and even
• 47:16
  my athletes were like, damn coach were out there.
• 47:18
  It's out there, it's seven. Am walking to class, and we see
• 47:21
  you working out every morning and it was good for them to see
• 47:24
  that, but I was bounding Him and I tore my achilles and it was
• 47:29
  kind of like, okay, the now and it wasn't the end.
• 47:32
  All be all like I said, you know, talk about serendipitous,
• 47:36
  I tore, my achilles, my mom took a week off and took care of me
• 47:41
  and we spent this quality time had the conversation.
• 47:44
  You know, you talked about you interviewed Boo.
• 47:45
  And it was like a thank you to all the coaches and thank you
• 47:48
  for everything. It's the same conversation.
• 47:50
  You want to have with your parents where you sitting there.
• 47:52
  Thank you. Thank you for adopting me.
• 47:54
  Yeah. You for making my life better.
• 47:56
  Thank you. Believing in me when I didn't
• 47:58
  want to go to med school and be a coach in that thought I was
• 48:01
  going to be the best coach out, there we go, because because of
• 48:04
  whatever. And so we spent that week
• 48:07
  together and then you know, I said earlier my mom passed away
• 48:10
  in less than a year later. No, I tear.
• 48:12
  My achilles 50,000 hundred times they absolutely meet with my
• 48:16
  mom. So it is amazing.
• 48:18
  How life works. So good, certain things happen
• 48:21
  and so that was probably the best week of my life because we
• 48:25
  got a habit come Inflation. Got to spend time with my mom
• 48:28
  and, and little did I know less than a year later, she passed
• 48:32
  away. And so so it was it was, it was
• 48:37
  awesome. I mean, honestly, I can't, I
• 48:39
  could never, you know, talk about how important was, but for
• 48:43
  me, I kind of went through everything, you know, as a high
• 48:45
  jumper 74 came really, really easy to me.
• 48:49
  And then I struggled in college, you know, I struggled
• 48:52
  academically, I struggled not academically from that
• 48:55
  standpoint, just managing Academics managing my sleep
• 48:59
  managing my training. I mean, I started triple jumping
• 49:02
  long jumping. I think you know what it looked
• 49:04
  like when legal 24 and a half and 25 when dated and I tripped
• 49:09
  up like 49 something later high or something like that and and
• 49:14
  and then you know I jumped 76 and so even though you know,
• 49:19
  multi-time All-American it definitely wasn't what my
• 49:23
  expectations were. So I almost fell 7-5, 7-6 7-5.
• 49:26
  The quarters in high school and I didn't see that bar again,
• 49:29
  until I was a junior. High.
• 49:32
  Jump is so frustrating. Yeah, and it was one of the so
• 49:35
  unique. I use this all the time.
• 49:38
  It's like, and I think that's kind of why I got into coaching.
• 49:41
  Is that I went from this unbelievable athlete, who's
• 49:43
  super successful and believed in myself to having a lot of doubt
• 49:47
  and then believing in myself again.
• 49:49
  And so it was in and I use this a lot for I had a lot of success
• 49:54
  with kids who just graduated college.
• 49:56
  Coming to me as post collegians will be later on in my career
• 50:00
  and people ask that and I'm like, because if your college in
• 50:03
  high school I was a, I was red and in college they wanted me to
• 50:07
  be blue. So they took me from red to blue
• 50:10
  right away and what they should have done is they should have
• 50:13
  taken me on the Spectrum and made me a little, you know, a
• 50:16
  red, you know, reddish purplish red a little bit more purple
• 50:22
  than of purple blue and then eventually I get to the blue but
• 50:24
  taking me from read all the way to bleep.
• 50:26
  Ooh, right away was a disaster. And so I tell college coaches
• 50:30
  and I tell, you know, post-collegiate coaches, don't
• 50:33
  forget that, that spectrum and so, if you can take the spectrum
• 50:37
  of taking the kid from whatever, I mean, I was a kid who didn't
• 50:40
  do much in high school so the warm-up for me, was the hardest
• 50:44
  thing I've ever done. All right, so no throwing in
• 50:49
  weights and class and all this other stuff was just too much
• 50:53
  for me. Right?
• 50:54
  There were system and all that. Not my work.
• 50:56
  Perfect. All right, work.
• 50:57
  My butt off and it didn't and it didn't, you know, frustrated me.
• 51:01
  But my body just couldn't handle the conditions.
• 51:05
  I struggle. And so it took me a couple years
• 51:07
  to, you know, go from that. And I think that but that helped
• 51:13
  me understand it understand the sport and then it made me a
• 51:16
  better Coach because I understood that so taking high
• 51:19
  school kids from different kind of training ages.
• 51:22
  Because you learn, we learn about training age but we don't
• 51:24
  really understand what that means.
• 51:26
  Is until you're in it and we talked about individualized
• 51:30
  training, but then we throw everybody together from day one
• 51:33
  on the same warm up. Like you pointed out, we don't
• 51:35
  think about what their background was and athleticism
• 51:38
  and you write you throwing the other sides of the academic and
• 51:40
  academic stress, the being away from home being on your own.
• 51:44
  Yeah, it's that's yeah, that's interesting.
• 51:46
  So we're up to write up Brothers, we go leave from
• 51:51
  Oklahoma to go back home. But before we take that next
• 51:54
  step, you know, Like you are what we need for the sport in
• 51:59
  regards to the things that we don't necessarily always pay
• 52:01
  attention to for right or wrong. And it's for me, it's probably
• 52:04
  always, right? We highlight the coaches and, of
• 52:07
  course, the athletes. But we only talk about the great
• 52:09
  coaches at this University and this these private coaches, you
• 52:12
  mentioned Bobby Kersey and things like that, and that's all
• 52:15
  good. But there's this underlying area
• 52:18
  of track and field. There's several underlying areas
• 52:20
  of track and field that have to get done.
• 52:21
  You know, people have to process the teams for Team USA.
• 52:23
  We don't necessarily always talk about the work load and
• 52:27
  paperwork and all that kind of stuff.
• 52:28
  Well, there's also the people and you've alluded to it here, a
• 52:31
  little bit in regards to the coaching education, which of
• 52:34
  course is huge for you as it was instrumental, have talked about
• 52:36
  it many many times here on the podcast.
• 52:38
  I wouldn't be who I am today even not as a coach.
• 52:41
  If it weren't for coaching education, my give back what I
• 52:44
  taught, you know, close to about 30 level ones, I was kind of my
• 52:46
  way of giving back, where are you, as we're up to that
• 52:51
  Oklahoma time? Where are you in the spectrum of
• 52:53
  coaching education? You've already talked about, you
• 52:55
  know, you've done the Twos and USA W's and cscs is things like
• 52:59
  that. Where are you in regards to
• 53:03
  curriculum writing or teaching? Are you doing any of that at
• 53:06
  this point? Yeah, so so when I got to
• 53:08
  Oklahoma, gosh, so there was a shift in the coaching.
• 53:16
  I don't want to say when I was at Oklahoma, so it's got to be
• 53:19
  between 2005 and 2010. So sometime in between and I
• 53:22
  want to say it was five or six or something like that.
• 53:25
  Is this the usatf? A few stfc CTA.
• 53:27
  Yeah, yeah and things like that but drastically positive
• 53:44
  happened. Almost it was kind of like
• 53:45
  Freakonomics. Yeah.
• 53:47
  I love that. Yeah, you know because I start
• 53:50
  to see it now and I'll get into that.
• 53:52
  Why but so what happened was then in 2006 or 46.
• 53:57
  They invited me to now kind of khushboo had done so much and
• 54:01
  they were leaning on him so much that they're like, okay, we need
• 54:03
  the next line of instructor so they invited me to Chicago and
• 54:08
  might be six or seven or something like that.
• 54:10
  And I kind of was like an underling and I was going to
• 54:12
  teach aspects of it. So it was, it was Jim, Madigan
• 54:17
  Kaiba, Boo, and Todd laid. We were all kind of teaching it
• 54:22
  together. So that's a lot of names and
• 54:24
  coaches for just a level field. Yeah, so it was so cool to do it
• 54:28
  from the other aspect of like, you know, be behind the scenes,
• 54:32
  kind of with it, instead of being instructor.
• 54:34
  But I mean, that's a pretty good staff of, you know, level to,
• 54:38
  you know, I'm not too but just to be there with Jim Kaiba.
• 54:44
  Boo, and Todd and myself solutely.
• 54:46
  Oh, that was the first year and so, you know, that happens, I
• 54:51
  get my feet wet and you know, and and I gosh, I studied so
• 54:54
  much for that thing. I think I could have probably
• 54:56
  Lee, you know, literally recited it without even that was so
• 54:59
  nervous that I wanted to do. Put my best foot forward, you
• 55:03
  know, honor Boo and dandy but each level three and it was just
• 55:09
  amazing. And I got to sit there and you
• 55:11
  know, just really have an amazing conversation with Dan
• 55:14
  which was the first time ever got to do that.
• 55:16
  And so we teach it and then the very next year the explosion
• 55:21
  happens. Oh, so my corn and Boo and them
• 55:27
  started. We're going to start this thing
• 55:29
  for u.s. tfcc, a working with Sam and stuff like that.
• 55:32
  And and and you know, so that it became a de facto USA Track &
• 55:37
  Field nurses, us tfcc CA and, you know, in, I Terry, Crawford
• 55:44
  was then part of it and terriers have been a huge mentor to me.
• 55:48
  I mean, Terry, was she got me the job at the center and you
• 55:52
  No. I mean she's become like a mom
• 55:54
  to me that she's awesome and we talk all the time and you know,
• 55:59
  her old Tennessee draw. You know it's definitely death
• 56:02
  that she's super intelligent lady and been amazing mentor to
• 56:06
  me. And so you know they asked me
• 56:10
  the two ways you know, you're going to go to u.s. tfcc a and I
• 56:14
  validate what they say. Hey, we're doing all this.
• 56:17
  This is our, you know, our property and our Intellectual
• 56:23
  property and we're getting paid, nothing for it basically and
• 56:27
  we're spending all this time where us tfcc a is going to make
• 56:31
  a model where you're going to pay for your time.
• 56:33
  You're going to get two to three times, what USA Track and Field
• 56:36
  is and you're going to get paid for what you try to do.
• 56:39
  And you know, Terry came to me and said, hey I really need you,
• 56:44
  you know, you need to stay with you in such a field and in this
• 56:47
  kind of stuff and so you know, I'm part of, you know, I didn't
• 56:51
  want to it was I was Thorn. Do I go with boohoo's kind of
• 56:54
  been a mentor or do I stay with but I'm always been that person
• 56:58
  who doesn't go with the north, you know, like no offense.
• 57:01
  I love Florida. I love LSU but all right, in
• 57:04
  Arkansas Outlet, never want to go to those schools because they
• 57:06
  already have a job so I can see him.
• 57:09
  So I wanted to do my own path and so it was kind of that way
• 57:12
  with USA Track and Field. I felt like even though the New
• 57:15
  Path is u.s. tfcc, I felt some honor honorable by staying with,
• 57:19
  you have subtracted. So I chose to stay with that.
• 57:22
  Couldn't be easy for you. I mean, you know, I know how I
• 57:25
  feel about. Boo.
• 57:26
  And I know you're in the very same vein.
• 57:28
  Yeah. So they could have been easy.
• 57:29
  I talked to him about it and he said, no Jeremy, like, you've
• 57:32
  got to do. We say he's gonna be supportive.
• 57:33
  Yeah, he totally. And I heard why he did what he
• 57:37
  did and kind of, you know, who Mike Moore and stuff like that.
• 57:40
  And and and, and they had validated.
• 57:42
  They totally validated, and I was still young in the process.
• 57:45
  So I didn't have as much of that kind of goggles and things like,
• 57:50
  and the history, right? Yeah.
• 57:52
  And probably, I think us tfcc a, as far as coaching and kind of
• 57:57
  that, I like, it's more honorable because you're working
• 58:00
  with college coaches and you're working with track and field,
• 58:03
  where I mean, you know, you probably saw it to doing level
• 58:06
  ones. You start to see almost this
• 58:08
  kind of like other coach come in, which was okay, you know,
• 58:11
  but for the track purest, it was like this guy wanted to be a
• 58:15
  speed agility guy. Yep.
• 58:17
  Who is certified? You know, Sprint code, so you
• 58:19
  get his loved one, you know, it's like so that looks good.
• 58:22
  Paper, but it's not really what it was.
• 58:25
  And so it's not a date, it's in our Sports.
• 58:27
  Then there was that was for a private business of baseball and
• 58:30
  football and basketball, things like that with your fine.
• 58:32
  There's a place for that but and I've done those and I do so I
• 58:36
  can't knock it but but the probably being is it was like it
• 58:39
  from a standpoint. The u.s. tfcc a product was kind
• 58:43
  of more of a thing or usatf things kind of a money maker and
• 58:47
  it is you know anybody who teaches ones knows that like you
• 58:51
  know, you make less than 50. Percent and they can use each
• 58:54
  other feel all they do is send you that.
• 58:56
  Yep. You all the way and so it is
• 59:01
  what it is. It was crazy.
• 59:14
  The next year we're in. What's the school in Philly?
• 59:19
  Just outside of Philly really Villanova Villanova?
• 59:22
  Yeah. And so because of everything, we
• 59:28
  have two instructors. So you go from like this Army of
• 59:33
  five to six. Like, not just 55 amazing.
• 59:36
  And yeah, I was gonna say about Russian words right here.
• 59:40
  No offense. I mean, I love the guy.
• 59:42
  He's a great guy but I have what's his name?
• 59:47
  Michigan, State and Clemson Lima.
• 59:49
  Oh my boy, Chris Bostwick. Yeah crispy.
• 59:51
  Yes. Teaching, level 2 together.
• 59:53
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I had to teach the first two
• 1:00:00
  days of level 2 by myself. Wow.
• 1:00:04
  And I just felt terrible and I felt good about it, but I felt
• 1:00:09
  terrible because it wasn't like five years later, where
• 1:00:11
  literally, you know, I had such Commander, the material ride,
• 1:00:15
  you know, this whatever. And so, you know, that's tough
• 1:00:19
  listening to me all day every day for two days.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah, and it's all day. That's, that's good.
• 1:00:24
  This is like a three-hour block. This is 12 hours.
• 1:00:26
  Yeah. Chris is able to show up the
• 1:00:28
  last day of and so it was like, almost like feet to the fire.
• 1:00:34
  And, you know, they're getting questions about, you know, hey,
• 1:00:38
  you stfc a, what's going on with this?
• 1:00:40
  Should I go to that ad instead of this?
• 1:00:41
  And there's this whole kind of oscars and the whole time I'm
• 1:00:44
  like, no, like a more, I'm education person.
• 1:00:47
  So the more education, but you get better if you get this, if
• 1:00:50
  you're getting it from us, tfcc a and Us Media.
• 1:00:53
  And I argued now that the high school kids and college kids are
• 1:00:57
  doing so well, because of the fact us CFC CCA and usatf
• 1:01:03
  started, educating more coaches making knowledgeable and so
• 1:01:07
  there's, I mean, I'm looking at these kids and they're just
• 1:01:10
  like, you know, twelve-year-old runs 48 seconds, you know, 16
• 1:01:14
  year old girl runs 12, not, you know, you just don't look across
• 1:01:17
  the board. And I'm like, and I think that's
• 1:01:19
  a one of those Freakonomics of that split It ended up paying a
• 1:01:24
  huge. Yeah, for the Grassroots, track
• 1:01:27
  and field. So, I've got to ask you a
• 1:01:28
  question. You'll be able to either
• 1:01:30
  validate my theory here or punch holes.
• 1:01:32
  And I'll never say this Theory again, so, because you you into
• 1:01:36
  the coaching, education on a different level than just taking
• 1:01:39
  and certifications, which I'm not poopoo on that that you have
• 1:01:42
  to do that. Right?
• 1:01:43
  But you've written curriculum, you've studied and helped build
• 1:01:46
  curriculum and you've seen like you just pointed out there what?
• 1:01:50
  Maybe the u.s. ATF us tfcc They split did for
• 1:01:53
  coaching education and now we have all this on top of that and
• 1:01:56
  what covid kind of taught us was like oh man there's like these
• 1:01:59
  really knowledgeable people, like Kaiba and crisp are no that
• 1:02:02
  can actually get on there and do Zoom calls to help begin bring
• 1:02:05
  this massive amounts, kind of bring everybody up to the same
• 1:02:09
  table on the on the level of coaching education.
• 1:02:11
  So here's my theory to your point.
• 1:02:14
  When you, I mean like exactly what you said, they're like
• 1:02:16
  athleticism right now and track and field is off the charts,
• 1:02:20
  right? I mean we're they're doing
• 1:02:21
  things, you know. What Mondo's doing in the pole
• 1:02:24
  vault oh my goodness would have course with Sydney did in the
• 1:02:26
  hurdles and thing Mo's doing it. I mean it's just it's crazy
• 1:02:30
  right now, right? I mean, the, the men's Foreigner
• 1:02:32
  everything, there's not an event right now.
• 1:02:34
  That is just like, it's just unbelievable, right?
• 1:02:37
  And so, what I believe is so you and Jeremy, we know each other
• 1:02:40
  well enough. So you come back and tell me
• 1:02:42
  that I'm an idiot for this. It's a quite okay.
• 1:02:43
  So when you first get into coaching because all, you know,
• 1:02:48
  is how you are coach. We typically fall back to that
• 1:02:51
  coaching style and till we learn more and gain our own knowledge
• 1:02:54
  and experiences, right? I think that in the next, say,
• 1:02:58
  10, 15, 20 years. What we see today in track and
• 1:03:01
  field is going to be Child's Play Because kids that are being
• 1:03:05
  coached today everywhere from that.
• 1:03:07
  Twelve-year-old example, you gave to Sydney right now,
• 1:03:10
  they're being coached at a higher level because of coaching
• 1:03:14
  education. And so, when they inevitably
• 1:03:17
  become the coaches, next, they're going to fall back to
• 1:03:20
  how they were coach because that's all they're going to
• 1:03:21
  know. And what, Bar is going to be at
• 1:03:23
  such a higher level than what guys like you and I how we were
• 1:03:26
  coached you know when coaches first came to us, they didn't
• 1:03:29
  have that much and so we coach like them.
• 1:03:31
  So I just think we're like as good as it is right now I think
• 1:03:34
  because of coaching education, it's going to because it layers.
• 1:03:37
  It's going to be unbelievable here in the next two, three
• 1:03:40
  Olympic Cycles. I completely agree with that
• 1:03:43
  statement. And, and I also, finally love
• 1:03:45
  smart and also feel like it's the, you know, I think it's
• 1:03:51
  because these coaches, Has now have the technical so dialogue.
• 1:03:55
  Say so now that I've worked at the Trade Center for a while and
• 1:03:58
  been able to be around coaches in the u.s. we were pretty
• 1:04:01
  lucky. We just throw spaghetti on the
• 1:04:02
  wall. What sticks is like our next
• 1:04:04
  great athlete, right? And I mean, the amount of 10 10
• 1:04:07
  100 meter Runners that don't make it is crazy, right?
• 1:04:12
  But in another country, that doesn't happen, right?
• 1:04:14
  Like with, they have a kid who runs 10 3, they have a whole
• 1:04:18
  Sport Science staff and everything to milk everything
• 1:04:21
  out of that kick in. And so, you know, I'll take the
• 1:04:25
  long jump, Michelle tourneys has become a really good friend and
• 1:04:27
  Michelle is long jumper. Finished, fourth, that Olympics
• 1:04:30
  in 2012. Multi-time European Champion,
• 1:04:33
  competes for Sweden and Michelle didn't jump eight meters tones.
• 1:04:36
  26 years old, if in the u.s. you're 26 and have jumped eight
• 1:04:40
  meters, you're out of the sport. Wow.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. And so but because he's from
• 1:04:44
  Sweden he was supported and then he really has you know success
• 1:04:49
  from 28 to 32 which is where most Athlete.
• 1:04:52
  Great athletes the other, right? Go will and Kris Kris out but
• 1:04:56
  you start to look at people like Jeff Henderson and you know he
• 1:04:58
  developed later and you know those athletes and the u.s.
• 1:05:02
  unfortunately it's like if you're not hurt you're not a
• 1:05:05
  developer between the ages of twenty two, twenty three, Twenty
• 1:05:09
  One, your app most likely out of the sky.
• 1:05:12
  And so I think that all this coaching allows for the
• 1:05:17
  technical models to get better and quite frankly like we talked
• 1:05:21
  about it in College. You only have so many hours.
• 1:05:24
  You have only have so much. They're 18 to 22 years old.
• 1:05:27
  So what's the best thing to do? Get them stronger and faster,
• 1:05:30
  right? And so, it's okay from their
• 1:05:32
  technical model because we're just going to get a pastor and
• 1:05:34
  we do have been asking job but faster and stronger only gets
• 1:05:38
  you so far. So then we get these kids run
• 1:05:41
  10/10 but we can't change your technical model one because they
• 1:05:44
  need to make their money and to you know, be whether you know it
• 1:05:51
  is what it is. We can't.
• 1:05:52
  Take the time for individuality to change the technical model to
• 1:05:55
  get them to run 99 or whatever it is.
• 1:05:58
  And so and that's a lot of places across the board.
• 1:06:01
  And so with that then you have an in again it just gets into so
• 1:06:07
  many different players. I mean, you got these things
• 1:06:10
  like Travis Gap at Arkansas and you have, you know, Nick Pearson
• 1:06:16
  at Florida and I'm just called the jumps and Todd Lane and, you
• 1:06:20
  know, and you know, James The guys, you know, you know who
• 1:06:23
  they are James down, he's gonna be mad at me for not calling
• 1:06:30
  about, you know, he's a friend of mine and he's I've mentioned
• 1:06:33
  him on the podcast before so we're just gonna let him go.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah. Okay, Keith Keith.
• 1:06:40
  Keith it. But it's crazy because they have
• 1:06:45
  their college team and then they have, you know, these
• 1:06:48
  post-collegiate kids at stick around and it's like, you know,
• 1:06:52
  Oh, and when I was in the college setting, I was like,
• 1:06:54
  yeah, the kids you stick around and stuff like that.
• 1:06:56
  But then post-collegiate lie, what happens, right?
• 1:06:59
  From at the training center from May, you know, basically third
• 1:07:04
  week in May until the first week in June, I have six or seven of
• 1:07:09
  the top jumpers in the country out, training with me because
• 1:07:13
  their college coaches, can't be with them because they're
• 1:07:16
  regionals or kind of conference Regional.
• 1:07:19
  Yeah. Coach those kids in Europe and
• 1:07:21
  in the islands. The time and I'm happy to help
• 1:07:23
  because you know, their part that's part of what it is.
• 1:07:25
  And so but there's no support either.
• 1:07:28
  I mean you got Dwight who's got a, you know, post-collegiate
• 1:07:31
  group and that's it, it's not affiliated with the college, you
• 1:07:36
  know. And so, you know, there's not a
• 1:07:39
  lot even in the field events. There's, you know, maybe more
• 1:07:42
  Ryan, Whiting was, but now he's part of ASU.
• 1:07:44
  So I think you got throw deep with in Georgia but there's Mike
• 1:07:51
  Judge. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  There's not very many post-collegiate coaches in the
• 1:07:54
  field event so that, you know, have that.
• 1:07:58
  And so there's, you know, in even for the spring coaches, you
• 1:08:02
  know, it's hard, I mean, you know, Flo he's got this
• 1:08:05
  unbelievable, you know, team winning national championships
• 1:08:08
  and then he's, you know, luckily he has a dedication, whatever to
• 1:08:11
  have is post-collegiate group and say Holloway and you know on
• 1:08:14
  and on and on but it gets to a point you know to were we can't
• 1:08:19
  just give every kid to those coaches, you know.
• 1:08:22
  Fair to them. And you know it's not fair to
• 1:08:25
  the kids eat and so we're just out of dilemma right now even in
• 1:08:29
  the u.s. Well let's let's catch up to
• 1:08:31
  that part for you so where we left off on your journey, was
• 1:08:35
  Oklahoma, you're done. You go back home to be with Dad,
• 1:08:39
  but you're a guy with no homo and what I mean by the no job
• 1:08:42
  home. What.
• 1:08:43
  So what do you do? And it's funny that you mention
• 1:08:45
  about going back to California. You said I'm a Southern Cal guy,
• 1:08:48
  I can't remember, who was the guest here.
• 1:08:50
  Just recently, I said, I kind of I was I was, he was a distance
• 1:08:54
  person who coaches Sprints and jumping hurdles and I was like,
• 1:08:58
  you know, my take on Californians, every Californian
• 1:09:00
  I've ever met. They all want to get back to
• 1:09:03
  California. I go.
• 1:09:04
  So I was lead up for him. Was your a distance Runner or
• 1:09:08
  are you wanting to get back to coaching distance?
• 1:09:09
  Like, you know, distance guys are their own little thing.
• 1:09:12
  So I love that. You're like, how much Southern
• 1:09:13
  Cal guy, man? So the that traction, that
• 1:09:16
  tractor beam from California, man, is strong.
• 1:09:19
  You go back, you go back home. It's hard to blame you because
• 1:09:21
  it's gorgeous out there. What do you do though?
• 1:09:24
  You don't, you don't have a job at the cable.
• 1:09:25
  You did that? No, I don't have a job but it's
• 1:09:28
  one of those things that, you know, the one Faith I've always
• 1:09:31
  had him, is myself. I feel like I'll find a way and
• 1:09:35
  so I was able to kind of Leverage some stuff where I had
• 1:09:38
  six NFL 16 baseball guys but he think about it and then I ended
• 1:09:42
  up growing where I had 40 kids that I was training.
• 1:09:45
  Wow, yeah. And actually, I was end up being
• 1:09:48
  very lucrative and end up being way more than what I made in
• 1:09:51
  college. It was like Twice.
• 1:09:52
  What? I was making college and it was
• 1:09:54
  good, too, because I was still paying the mortgage in Oklahoma
• 1:09:57
  and paying rent in California and by that'll take all the pee
• 1:10:00
  right there. Yeah, I was driving 200 miles a
• 1:10:02
  day, you know, because then I was also, you know, first I was
• 1:10:06
  just working with kids in Orange County and, you know, it worked
• 1:10:10
  out really, really well from that standpoint but then it was
• 1:10:13
  two years where I think I work 360 out of three and sixty five
• 1:10:17
  days. It was because I couldn't say
• 1:10:19
  no, you know? So I'm whether it was like,
• 1:10:21
  coaching love, One level two I think I did like 10 level ones
• 1:10:25
  that year. I think I did like level twos.
• 1:10:27
  I was going internationally to do.
• 1:10:28
  I remember this you were doing it felt like you were doing
• 1:10:31
  every level 1. I remember this so much and it
• 1:10:34
  was just my kind of way of just like okay I've got to stabilize
• 1:10:37
  myself and make money and two years, like, wait, what did I
• 1:10:41
  do? What did I make?
• 1:10:42
  You know, because it was just like you're not doing that
• 1:10:46
  you're just, you know, kind of whatever and I was during that
• 1:10:50
  time to when I was out I was Actually offered in the job at a
• 1:10:55
  six so Ben stays are left. Oh, yeah Ben.
• 1:10:59
  I remember hell yeah. I love Town.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, his job at a six and it was crazy.
• 1:11:04
  I went on an interview in like late August, early September and
• 1:11:09
  went in for a second one, and maybe late September, and then
• 1:11:12
  didn't hear anything. So I was like, okay, I didn't
• 1:11:14
  get the job at, you know, Asics and stuff.
• 1:11:16
  So, I was trained in my NFL guys and doing all this kind of
• 1:11:19
  stuff, and I was already doing that.
• 1:11:21
  So I was kind of like, You know, I need time to be able to do
• 1:11:24
  that and I get a call from HR and December and like, Hey,
• 1:11:27
  we're going to start next week and I'm like what?
• 1:11:31
  Yeah, that was crazy. And so I ended up meeting with
• 1:11:34
  HR lady and just going through. Hey, like just so, you know, I
• 1:11:37
  interviewed in September when I write anything.
• 1:11:39
  You're the first I've heard since then.
• 1:11:41
  Yeah. And now you're calling me to
• 1:11:43
  like offered me a job and I'm like, I've moved on so far that
• 1:11:47
  how you know, it's not an end up being a blessing because, you
• 1:11:50
  know, being like the manager Or like, you know, shoe company and
• 1:11:54
  doing that kind of stuff, probably wasn't.
• 1:11:56
  It was a way to stay in the sport but in her probably the
• 1:11:58
  right thing for me, you know, is Ben still at Nike?
• 1:12:02
  No bends back with a sink. Is he okay, I haven't talked to
• 1:12:04
  him in so long. I met him when he was a success.
• 1:12:07
  I Think Through Drake Relays and really like, you know, for a guy
• 1:12:10
  in the different part of our industry would really, really
• 1:12:12
  been with the coach. So Ben was at UC Irvine, when I
• 1:12:15
  was at Northridge, so we cool. So is a pretty fast Sprinter.
• 1:12:21
  I always joke pens. Biggest caps I've ever seen, but
• 1:12:25
  so, yeah. So now he's back with us for
• 1:12:27
  help. Good for him.
• 1:12:28
  Yeah. And yeah, pretty high up with
• 1:12:30
  them. And so, so I, you know, it's
• 1:12:32
  funny, you kind of Go full circle and a six, wasn't the
• 1:12:36
  right thing for me. So I still continue to do that.
• 1:12:38
  And then shortly after that in January, Terry said we have a
• 1:12:43
  position at the center for you if you would like.
• 1:12:45
  And so it was like more of a director of Ops Splash coach /
• 1:12:49
  this and it's only going to pay this much.
• 1:12:52
  Touch nose like well let me get my feet back into coaching, it
• 1:12:56
  was a great experience. So I got to work with Ty seven
• 1:12:59
  aren't Venegas was hired as the like I could salted.
• 1:13:03
  Yeah, it's right grateful, was the director Al Joyner,
• 1:13:07
  obviously was out there and walking Crews working para.
• 1:13:10
  And so it was just, it was cool. Like I was just like I was more
• 1:13:13
  enamored by the fact that like hey I'm working with, you know,
• 1:13:16
  to gold medalist, you know, and stuff like that.
• 1:13:18
  But this was this when you sat fr usoc Is the Olympic Training
• 1:13:23
  Center out there really kind of fell on Hard Times.
• 1:13:26
  Like, no one really was managing no one was really doing any kind
• 1:13:28
  of elite support. Like bringing the athletes in
• 1:13:32
  that would have been actually before.
• 1:13:34
  So, around 2000, 01 02 03. I was the junior high hurdle,
• 1:13:41
  Lee coaching, I brought out all, you know, the best high
• 1:13:43
  schoolers, 19 years old, or whatnot out there, but there
• 1:13:45
  really wasn't like that was not the place where Elites went to
• 1:13:48
  go to train even though they had great facilities and things
• 1:13:51
  like, that was this when they I started trying to reawaken that
• 1:13:53
  and actually you guys did a great job as a member for a
• 1:13:55
  while. There were some some really good
• 1:13:57
  guys and gals training there. Yeah, so the u.s.
• 1:13:59
  OPC ran it up until like 10 or 10 or 11 and then they said here
• 1:14:04
  we're going to give you the money.
• 1:14:05
  We're going to give you this amount of money but you have to
• 1:14:07
  have the residence program. Like first hire that they had
• 1:14:10
  was barred first person, they were trying to hire was that
• 1:14:14
  Terry took over and shoe. We're going to try to hire
• 1:14:17
  Clifford belka and you know his wife and yeah they come out.
• 1:14:22
  Like this is awesome. But like just like even if it's
• 1:14:26
  so expensive and I live in whatever and then you know, he
• 1:14:29
  leverage that and he got end up getting this huge contract at
• 1:14:32
  Kansas State, much deserve and stuff.
• 1:14:34
  And so, yeah. So then they hired coach poll
• 1:14:38
  after poll, and, and he kind of took over, and it was kind of
• 1:14:42
  different programs. So there's some kids there and
• 1:14:44
  then it was a transition time and it was he started this like
• 1:14:48
  funnel system where we were trying to develop kids into
• 1:14:51
  athletes So it definitely was probably the highest level of
• 1:14:56
  athletes. We started having I got in there
• 1:14:58
  so like Joe Kovacs cane sugar that I was saying there were
• 1:15:01
  some throwing was going on, right?
• 1:15:04
  And obviously Ryan, after it turns 16 actually and it brought
• 1:15:09
  out the big homie, Darrell Hill. Mmm, you know, we had standpoint
• 1:15:17
  it just you know higher level athlete like in the in the
• 1:15:21
  jumpsuit is my carpet. Brittany.
• 1:15:24
  And that's right. Brittany spend some time.
• 1:15:27
  Yeah, yeah. So we went from, I think they
• 1:15:30
  had two Olympic medals and we actually had to give one, you
• 1:15:33
  know, Toby Stevenson had one and then we won was in The Foreigner
• 1:15:36
  hurdles because Sheena Sheena tossed.
• 1:15:39
  It was trading at the center is a week.
• 1:15:42
  So to that point, I think those were the two metals that we had,
• 1:15:46
  you know, and then in 12, you know, 11 will comes out and fro
• 1:15:51
  and he was about It'll and then it just starts started
• 1:15:54
  snowballing to. Brittany comes out obviously in
• 1:15:56
  12 and and Brad, I think Walker going to endure.
• 1:16:01
  Metal is, Will 1 2011? He won the triple jump and then
• 1:16:05
  Outdoors will won two medals great people.
• 1:16:08
  I mean it just snowballs. So we have average, you know,
• 1:16:12
  through metals that everyone thinks what was the difference
• 1:16:15
  for you. You know, when we get into
• 1:16:17
  coaching regardless of the level was high school or club or Or
• 1:16:22
  college, we all have. And that's a blanket statement
• 1:16:26
  here, and I don't like those necessarily, but we all want to
• 1:16:29
  coach Olympians like that's our Holy Grail in our sport, right?
• 1:16:32
  The gold medal, Etc, and making the Olympic team, you know, the
• 1:16:35
  Rings. What is the difference?
• 1:16:40
  You've coached a lot of different levels, a lot of
• 1:16:42
  different levels of athletes, you're immersed with.
• 1:16:46
  I mean you just named some of the best jumpers that we've ever
• 1:16:49
  had in America. Brittany Reese will clay you can
• 1:16:50
  stop right there and I've insulted 10 other amazing
• 1:16:54
  jumpers, right? What is the difference as you
• 1:16:56
  can because you were immersed into it?
• 1:16:58
  You you weren't coach on the college level.
• 1:17:00
  You weren't doing Club you were it was all about how do we get
• 1:17:03
  to the world Champs or the Olympic teams and how do we
• 1:17:05
  metal? What's the difference as a
• 1:17:07
  coach? Whether it's Time management
• 1:17:09
  psychology. I hesitate, I don't think it's
• 1:17:13
  training but you tell me. But what's the kind of macro
• 1:17:17
  bigger difference working with that type of athlete on the 24/7
• 1:17:20
  basis? I don't think it's the meat and
• 1:17:22
  potatoes, but it's life around it.
• 1:17:25
  So interesting. So so meaning that like meaning
• 1:17:28
  that like in college, it's about stronger faster.
• 1:17:32
  You know, in that, and we can do some technical, but you're
• 1:17:34
  limited by 1820 hours, right? And there's things that I know
• 1:17:38
  every college coach. Which they could do but they
• 1:17:40
  probably don't have the time for it, you know, or bandwidth to do
• 1:17:44
  it at our level like I can try and six hours a day.
• 1:17:47
  We don't train six hours a day, but you know, the kids come in
• 1:17:49
  at 10, we do you? Nope, Rehabilitation therapy.
• 1:17:53
  They get, you know, treatment whatever.
• 1:17:55
  Then I do a lot of things that I just couldn't do at the college
• 1:17:59
  level because we didn't have the time to do.
• 1:18:02
  And so then it's, you know, like our training starts at 11:00,
• 1:18:04
  we're done by like 130, you know, for the technical
• 1:18:08
  standpoint, Point we go eat lunch, then they come down and
• 1:18:11
  we do, you know what? I call it in Pre weight room,
• 1:18:15
  you know, kind of things. We're opening up our hip
• 1:18:17
  stability, all these different kind of stuff.
• 1:18:19
  We do it for 45 minutes and then we go to the waiting room, you
• 1:18:22
  know, for 45 minutes or whatever.
• 1:18:23
  You just mentioned, pre weight room, 45 minutes.
• 1:18:26
  Some people don't go to the weight room for 45 minutes.
• 1:18:30
  Exactly and and we I try to limit the actual weight room
• 1:18:34
  stuffed about 45 minutes because I know, you know, for thrower
• 1:18:37
  it's different like they need to Moreover many be in there but
• 1:18:40
  for a you know jumper you know and Sprinter and they have
• 1:18:46
  basically attention span for 45 minutes.
• 1:18:49
  So we you know, we try to lift three to four days a week and
• 1:18:53
  shorter, kind of stance but and then we you know it's like I'm
• 1:18:58
  pre-programming ourselves before we go to the weight room so that
• 1:19:03
  we're ready to transition into that.
• 1:19:06
  And so we do a lot of Of just different kind of stuff, you
• 1:19:11
  know, whether it's slant board or bands, or, you know, I submit
• 1:19:15
  your coals, things like that. Before we go to the weight room
• 1:19:18
  to do, whatever we do are doing during that block.
• 1:19:22
  And so that's the stuff that I can do because I don't have to
• 1:19:25
  go to class most of them don't have jobs or jobs.
• 1:19:28
  I tell them it's got to be before 10 a.m. and after 4 p.m.
• 1:19:32
  and so you know we're professional athletes.
• 1:19:34
  And so that's the stuff that we can really do and then I can
• 1:19:38
  individualize Which, you know how it's harder to do.
• 1:19:41
  So I can sit there and say, hey, Brittany, we're struggling with
• 1:19:43
  this getting concept. I don't want to be, you know,
• 1:19:46
  it's just you and I let's go out there, you know, come at 1:00 or
• 1:19:50
  2:00 and right. And so those are the things that
• 1:19:53
  I'm able to do that. I couldn't do in college just
• 1:19:56
  because, you know, you got to work around class schedules and
• 1:19:59
  all the other and hours and everything else like that.
• 1:20:01
  So that's the difference. And then the same exact sounds
• 1:20:04
  like, for what you just go, as far as you are able to get
• 1:20:06
  deeper into the training modalities, and And really do
• 1:20:10
  individualization. Yeah.
• 1:20:12
  And then and then the biggest thing that was amazing to me was
• 1:20:17
  that I think the center, you know, I talked a little bit
• 1:20:22
  about this where it was first Northridge and all my
• 1:20:26
  certifications took me like, left my first level to open my
• 1:20:29
  eyes to things, and then it was like a Northridge.
• 1:20:31
  I got all my certifications and learned and went to that next
• 1:20:33
  level. Then Oklahoma, I started
• 1:20:36
  teaching and writing and doing all that kind of Episode took me
• 1:20:39
  to the next level, then I feel like the next level was actually
• 1:20:42
  working with sports that weren't track and field.
• 1:20:44
  So I became a movement specialist in those working NFL
• 1:20:48
  guys, Major League, Baseball guys, high school kids that were
• 1:20:50
  in all different Sports volleyball and there's movement
• 1:20:53
  patterns and stuff that I was like, okay, yeah, we're missing
• 1:20:55
  this, right? So you know, we're very linear
• 1:20:58
  kind of thing but you still have to have curvilinear and you know
• 1:21:03
  rotational things to keep ourselves healthy.
• 1:21:05
  How much are we doing this in college?
• 1:21:07
  So yeah. College, are we still doing some
• 1:21:10
  of the side-to-side things with are still going to be huge and
• 1:21:13
  beneficial to us or we doing external rotation, or internal
• 1:21:16
  rotation because we externally rotate almost in everything
• 1:21:19
  we're doing right? So, being able to like, look at
• 1:21:22
  those things and make sure those modalities are part of my
• 1:21:25
  training. And so, but the bigger thing
• 1:21:29
  was, the fact of who I got to rub shoulders with, And so that
• 1:21:35
  was what was big. I mean, you know, people were
• 1:21:37
  going out to Altis, you know, a lot of college coaches to see
• 1:21:40
  Dan and stuff like that and and Aundrea stand in them and so
• 1:21:45
  they got to do that. I get to do that almost like on
• 1:21:47
  a weekly basis. So Bobby Kersey would come out
• 1:21:52
  with Allison for two to three weeks every year.
• 1:21:55
  So I get to sit there and I'd be done with practice and just
• 1:21:57
  watch practice and talked about. Oh, wow.
• 1:22:00
  People to hate, people would pay for that ticket.
• 1:22:04
  He doesn't really do talk. So I'm sitting there, right?
• 1:22:07
  Like, I hear, I remember one practice that stands out for me.
• 1:22:10
  He was just, you know, talking to the girls about how important
• 1:22:13
  it was to run on the inside of the lane, you know why to do it,
• 1:22:18
  what it looked like, how it staged out how he said, it up
• 1:22:22
  the ID catering. And I'm sitting there going, I
• 1:22:24
  get to see this, no one, you know, because he's at the
• 1:22:26
  center, all right, Johnson when he was working there, you know,
• 1:22:29
  LaShawn Merritt, and the stuff he was doing and just kind of
• 1:22:32
  whatever and then just talking to her Folks and then on dries
• 1:22:38
  thorkelson, when he was, you know, when all the Jeff stuff
• 1:22:40
  and mature and a different training, he was doing and then
• 1:22:43
  the hammer. Thrower, what's his name?
• 1:22:47
  It was multi-time, the Hungarian.
• 1:22:48
  But he'd come out and just, you know, Carolina, clue and young
• 1:22:54
  actor Garo with him. And, I mean, it was just like
• 1:22:58
  World wise, not just coaches and athletes and being able to talk
• 1:23:03
  to them and see, Them and stuff like talk to our team about
• 1:23:05
  strength training. You know, talk to Mac Wilkins
• 1:23:08
  about, you know kind of his experience just on and on and
• 1:23:12
  on. So that was the you know amazing
• 1:23:16
  nelio Mauro coming out his group or just on and on and on
• 1:23:20
  Wolfgang, Rich story of coming out, you know, France, Bosh, you
• 1:23:24
  know things like and so during my time it was just I opening
• 1:23:30
  from the standpoint of just being able to talk to and see
• 1:23:34
  see and Implement some of the stuff they were doing our
• 1:23:37
  theories or process like that. So, where is this?
• 1:23:40
  You're going to love this one. This popped in my head here.
• 1:23:43
  Where is your ego at this time? And here's what I mean by this,
• 1:23:48
  you know, you just painted a picture like everybody listening
• 1:23:50
  right now is like, you know, sitting there watching Bobby, do
• 1:23:53
  his craft, and you're right, he doesn't speak.
• 1:23:55
  He doesn't, he's not the guy who's on, doing his own YouTubes
• 1:24:00
  and teaching level twos and whatnot.
• 1:24:02
  He's he has his thing, he does his thing.
• 1:24:04
  And those are pretty high-level guys and gals but you know, so
• 1:24:08
  you paint this picture of your able to like you're at the front
• 1:24:11
  row of watching him and Brooks Johnson and Franz and Dan and I
• 1:24:17
  mean the list goes along. It could be easy for you as you
• 1:24:23
  because you're also coaching at the high level.
• 1:24:24
  That's not take away. What you are.
• 1:24:26
  You are actually doing coaching wise as well, you're coaching at
• 1:24:28
  a very high level, it would be easy and maybe forgivable to
• 1:24:32
  have an ego of like, man, So and so is getting a lot of pub and
• 1:24:37
  is making this much money at this school or this person is,
• 1:24:39
  you know, making the head coach of the Olympic team, whatever.
• 1:24:43
  But, I'm not naming any, this is not a direct anybody, it could
• 1:24:46
  be easy for you to get into your own ego and be like, why am I
• 1:24:49
  not making eggs? Why am I not thought of as this
• 1:24:52
  big Guru Etc, massively, because to me you are, you are that
• 1:24:57
  group. But how are you ego, wise in
• 1:25:01
  your coaching and coaching progression?
• 1:25:03
  And At that point, you know it you do like you know, it's
• 1:25:09
  funny. I've coached 18 Olympic and
• 1:25:11
  World Championship medal s, right?
• 1:25:12
  And that's, you know, something, you know, honored to do.
• 1:25:17
  But I think because I had a relationship with the kids and I
• 1:25:19
  don't see him as Widgets or metals or anything like that.
• 1:25:23
  I've never been that way. And so for me it's like I do
• 1:25:26
  very well financially I get paid, you know?
• 1:25:30
  I mean, yeah, I could probably get paid more from my jobs but
• 1:25:34
  I've been able to leverage like, you know, I work with Korea or
• 1:25:37
  work with this country. They paid me really well to work
• 1:25:40
  with the athletes but I love what I do.
• 1:25:42
  I mean I have an assistant who I pay.
• 1:25:45
  I have three people four people on my payroll under my MBA,
• 1:25:49
  training and stuff like that. And so I'm blessed to kind of do
• 1:25:52
  that and kind of being my own boss.
• 1:25:54
  Now, you know, which was critical and and and you know,
• 1:25:57
  I've been to 76 countries in 49 states and so you know, I went
• 1:26:01
  well, what's the one state Alaska?
• 1:26:04
  As I've ever be Alaska. Yeah, maybe like, no, I went to
• 1:26:07
  Alaska. I just haven't gone to Georgia
• 1:26:09
  like wait what. So for my 50th I'm going to do
• 1:26:14
  you know Alaska's? Yes.
• 1:26:16
  Oh that's so cool. Yeah that'll be a highlight for
• 1:26:18
  me and so but it you know, it it's it can be but you can't,
• 1:26:26
  you know, get mad at that, you know, it's hard, you know.
• 1:26:29
  And, you know, I'm not going to be disparaging to anything.
• 1:26:32
  But like, if I was a distance coach, With 18 world and Olympic
• 1:26:35
  medals. They would throw the kitchen
• 1:26:37
  sink at me or if I was a Sprint coach and they would throw the
• 1:26:40
  kitchen sink at me and US field event.
• 1:26:43
  Coaches know, that's not going to happen.
• 1:26:45
  We're not going to be, you know, despite our success and all that
• 1:26:49
  kind of stuff. You're not going to do that.
• 1:26:51
  I mean, I think they said there's 18 distance enclaves in
• 1:26:54
  America, right? And a lot, some kind of shoe
• 1:26:57
  company. Well, there's two
• 1:26:59
  post-collegiate jump programs and you know, and I You know,
• 1:27:04
  and I've been pretty successful and I'm not, you know, sponsored
• 1:27:08
  by anybody, I just, I'm able to leverage a lot of what I do to,
• 1:27:13
  you know, financially be pretty solvent, do well but that's
• 1:27:17
  neither here nor there and so I can't get, you know, upset by
• 1:27:21
  it. It's just interesting to go to
• 1:27:22
  another country, like, Scotland, or Sweden or whatever and they
• 1:27:27
  just put me on, like, they treat me like, you know, like I do
• 1:27:31
  interviews and, you know, this and in 12 years at the center,
• 1:27:35
  I've never been interviewed once by, you know, like track Doom
• 1:27:39
  news or whoever and I don't care.
• 1:27:42
  It is what it is. Because the most important thing
• 1:27:45
  is that I literally get hundreds, if not thousands of
• 1:27:49
  requests for video, watch or kosher or anything like that.
• 1:27:53
  So, I know that within the jumps community that a lot of people
• 1:27:59
  respect and they say positive things and they, you know, and
• 1:28:03
  they just They say how great a job I'm doing and stuff like
• 1:28:07
  that. And that's not what I do it for.
• 1:28:08
  I do it for the athletes but it's nice to also see that, you
• 1:28:11
  know, and helping other people. And at the end of the day, I
• 1:28:14
  think that's, you know. Yeah, you sell stuff but Mighty
• 1:28:18
  your help and you want to see the sport move ahead.
• 1:28:20
  So when your equipment you know can help in that sense, you're
• 1:28:25
  going to be very happy with it and I'm kind of the same way.
• 1:28:27
  It's yeah coaching videos and my thing can help, you know?
• 1:28:31
  Then that's the way it is. It's like, you know, Like I have
• 1:28:34
  sixteen thousand followers on Instagram, right?
• 1:28:36
  And I didn't try to buy them, it's just me posting stuff and
• 1:28:41
  people going like, hey, that helps and that stuff.
• 1:28:44
  So I'm always try to post things that can help coaches, or that's
• 1:28:47
  B value giving, right? So, keep us transitioning
• 1:28:53
  because the US Olympic Training Center, there in Chula Vista,
• 1:28:57
  goes through some Transformations, right?
• 1:28:58
  Because it eventually becomes the Chula Vista training center.
• 1:29:01
  And now, and I'm not even really caught up with what it Now, what
• 1:29:04
  is going to keep it? Tell us how that training center
• 1:29:07
  evolved. So, so I record evolved, by the
• 1:29:10
  way, I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:13
  It's kind of, it's just an interesting kind of thing.
• 1:29:16
  I don't ever feel like anybody's promised a job especially in
• 1:29:20
  track and field, you know? I mean it's changed.
• 1:29:23
  I mean you know you had coaches that coach forever and now
• 1:29:25
  coaches are getting fired, which is if you think about it, it's
• 1:29:28
  like coach track and field, we're not doing like, you know,
• 1:29:31
  we're not football or basketball which is making millions were
• 1:29:34
  We're literally costing Millions, you know, and I think
• 1:29:37
  it was interesting. I think Sam said it, I talked to
• 1:29:39
  him recently and in the last six months and he said you know
• 1:29:43
  basically track and field almost a billion dollar business as far
• 1:29:47
  as buying tracks and tell ya Tricia running you know tourism
• 1:29:53
  and everything else. And I mean think of b 1 d 2 D 3
• 1:29:56
  Junior College all the you know anything, it's easily the
• 1:30:00
  billion dollars you know. And so I think it was like 900
• 1:30:03
  something you know. I turned 80 or 70 something
• 1:30:05
  million dollars and so, but in that in track and field and kind
• 1:30:12
  of what happens is that the OCC own the training center in in
• 1:30:17
  2016, they gave up the training center, they didn't want to run
• 1:30:21
  it cost, five million dollars to do business set and it was
• 1:30:25
  empty. Mostly like it was not yet 30 40
• 1:30:28
  percent capacity for our but that wasn't their job to make
• 1:30:30
  money. Their job is high performance
• 1:30:32
  and so you know, we had three metals And in London at five
• 1:30:36
  medals in Rio in track, we were the seventh best country in the
• 1:30:41
  world was training center was because you had Ryan krauser Joe
• 1:30:44
  Kovacs. Yeah.
• 1:30:46
  Well, clay and Jeff Henderson, you know, so you had two gold
• 1:30:49
  medals in three cylinders, which that's pretty good.
• 1:30:52
  Yeah. It's and you know, and so from
• 1:30:55
  16 to 20, Unfortunately they went to the CBE ATC Elite
• 1:31:00
  athlete Training Center. So basically the point
• 1:31:03
  enrollment, In trust, which is a local school and the city of
• 1:31:06
  Chula Vista took over running the center so they made it for
• 1:31:10
  profit and so you know it's a little bit of everything.
• 1:31:14
  You also PC was still giving like three and a half million
• 1:31:17
  dollars to see B to the C. Bacc, and then USA, Track and
• 1:31:22
  Field. We were running presents program
• 1:31:24
  and we're over six hundred. Twenty-five thousand dollar
• 1:31:27
  budget every year coaches, salaries, and traveled stuff in
• 1:31:31
  the Years up with leading up to 228, just decrease.
• 1:31:36
  I mean, it went from, you know, like we decrease the number of
• 1:31:40
  beds, we decrease the number of kind of thing, and then
• 1:31:43
  basically, after 22, they decided that they were going to
• 1:31:46
  run the program. I think, you know, obviously I
• 1:31:50
  have my opinion about it, you know, and stuff like that
• 1:31:54
  because of the success we have. I understand if it was a zero,
• 1:31:57
  some kind of thing where run we sing.
• 1:32:00
  But, you know, we still had one metal and Tokyo despite all the
• 1:32:03
  craziness. Wow, we'll miss the metal by 2
• 1:32:06
  cm and you know, so it literally like we're that close to 2 and
• 1:32:12
  at the end of the day Ryan krauser and Joe Kovacs will give
• 1:32:15
  us so much credit, you know, them being in the establish
• 1:32:19
  themselves the center. So even though they weren't here
• 1:32:22
  that's still too, they was built off of what they did there for
• 1:32:26
  sure. Yeah we had all these great
• 1:32:32
  athletes qualify for the team. Team and, you know, Chris Mack
• 1:32:36
  to phenomenal job. Yeah.
• 1:32:37
  Chris 3 and great country has finally reach your potential on
• 1:32:42
  mazing potential. And so, you know, up and down.
• 1:32:46
  We had amazing kind of thing. And in this year, cash we had I
• 1:32:52
  think we had like six or seven or eight athletes.
• 1:32:55
  Still despite no beds. No, support, local athletes and
• 1:33:01
  stuff. We still had seven athletes.
• 1:33:02
  Make the team and It was the first time in a long time that
• 1:33:06
  we had no medals Center. And so, what is that place that
• 1:33:11
  like, you know, I used I'm never going up and you check in, is
• 1:33:14
  that just land now? Or is anybody?
• 1:33:16
  You still have east of para, track, and Field's here?
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, rugby, sevens. Okay, local professional soccer
• 1:33:24
  team from, I think the, uh, L or you, whatever the soccer league
• 1:33:28
  is you've got. Archery, you can through comes
• 1:33:33
  out. Every business will be out
• 1:33:35
  shortly and they'll be out for like five months.
• 1:33:38
  And yeah, and use, we still have about seven or eight hours and
• 1:33:41
  so still traffic will clay. You know, he had a baby so he
• 1:33:45
  said, he'll be here for a while but you know we my expectation
• 1:33:49
  is you'll probably go somewhere else, which is?
• 1:33:51
  Yeah, really fine. And then we have international
• 1:33:55
  athletes that come through I mean last year getting ready for
• 1:33:57
  girls we had Ukraine. Oh yeah, Portugal.
• 1:34:02
  And then like So, here talking about kind of cool, I get to
• 1:34:06
  watch a little bit of practice, Vitaly, Petrov, was out here
• 1:34:09
  with his group because he's got the Philippine kid, the
• 1:34:12
  Brazilian kid. And then he's got a couple
• 1:34:14
  Chinese guy since. All right, he was out here and
• 1:34:17
  just the coaches that were out there.
• 1:34:19
  Being able to watch was once was really cool.
• 1:34:21
  Did he do you still at this point?
• 1:34:23
  You've coached for a long time? Do you still like when you talk
• 1:34:27
  about Petrov and some of those guys coming over there, do you
• 1:34:30
  still soak it all in? Do you still just eagle-eyed pay
• 1:34:33
  attention? What can I gain for us?
• 1:34:35
  So, for every year for 45 years, you know, a lot of lean and his
• 1:34:41
  coach came out. And so, I would sit with his
• 1:34:43
  coach at least one. I told myself at least, it was
• 1:34:46
  probably more of kind of being annoying a little while.
• 1:34:49
  But at least now, when they come out, if they still come because
• 1:34:52
  they come out for less time that I make sure that I spend the
• 1:34:56
  practice with him and talk to him and just well, now we'll
• 1:34:58
  talk about family will talk about other stuff but well, you
• 1:35:01
  know, each other now training and stuff.
• 1:35:02
  Yeah. So you know every time I'm an
• 1:35:04
  elite coach comes out, you know, I try to sit with them so like a
• 1:35:09
  good one was Christophe. Who coached the world record
• 1:35:12
  holder in the hammer from Poland for can just too many names.
• 1:35:18
  Yeah, Kristoff. And I've talked to him, and I
• 1:35:21
  try to help him out vest Stein. He brings out, you know, Daniel
• 1:35:24
  stall and those guys and oh, yeah, wow, you know about stuff.
• 1:35:28
  And so it just, you know, I'm always just, you know, talking
• 1:35:33
  to the Coaches of these Elite just to you know, pick up some
• 1:35:36
  nuggets. I'll just watch their practice
• 1:35:38
  and stuff like that if I have the time and so I always make
• 1:35:40
  time to make sure. Yeah.
• 1:35:42
  Well I'm still a fan and even more so I'm still trying to
• 1:35:45
  learn. Yeah, you know, can always, you
• 1:35:49
  know, the coach comes out, I always want to like, watch
• 1:35:52
  practice and do whatever it is. A lot of humility in that, you
• 1:35:55
  know, at this age and stage of your career.
• 1:35:58
  Again, this would be something that no one would blame you for
• 1:36:00
  if you're like yeah you know if I can I'll make it out there but
• 1:36:02
  otherwise what I mean I'm doing this.
• 1:36:04
  Longer than some of those guys have what do I need to learn?
• 1:36:06
  So there's humility there, like let me go learn what's what else
• 1:36:09
  can I pick up out there but it's always check your ego at the
• 1:36:12
  door, I think. Yeah, it's hard because College
• 1:36:14
  I feel like teaches you have to be very protective of your
• 1:36:17
  group, you know? And that's how you get ahead.
• 1:36:20
  Like you said in college, you get Coach of the Year award to
• 1:36:23
  get all this kind of stuff. And that's how you move up, you
• 1:36:25
  know, I get stability and stuff like that, so you almost become
• 1:36:28
  a little overprotective new feeling.
• 1:36:31
  Even though, like let's say, you know, Like let's say I was
• 1:36:36
  working at Florida and I'm the jumps coach, right?
• 1:36:38
  And and, you know, coach always spread coach, you know, ice
• 1:36:43
  become so protected. My group that even at Oklahoma,
• 1:36:46
  you sometimes forget to like, comment always like one of the
• 1:36:49
  best friend. Coaches, let me go over there
• 1:36:50
  and just sit and watch practice a little bit.
• 1:36:53
  Right? And so I think sometimes in
• 1:36:56
  college, you get away from that because you just recruiting
• 1:36:59
  you're doing this and it my level.
• 1:37:02
  If coach Holloway comes out, I get to see.
• 1:37:04
  So organ was coming out. So I get to sit there and spend
• 1:37:07
  some time, you know, Robert and obviously more with Coach
• 1:37:10
  Taylor, you know, careers. I get to talk to him like to
• 1:37:13
  watch practice, it can see what they're doing, you know, and
• 1:37:15
  stuff like that. So there's those kind of nuances
• 1:37:19
  that I get that, you know, and I think it comes because I don't
• 1:37:25
  look at, you know, I'm being hospitable and I'm trying to,
• 1:37:28
  you know, whatever, I'm not the director anymore.
• 1:37:30
  But all right, they have to talk to me because, you know, I will
• 1:37:34
  The director of the program and help with that and you know I
• 1:37:37
  try to make them feel welcome but I also am trying to go out
• 1:37:40
  and, you know, like just watch their practices and stuff that
• 1:37:44
  they don't see me as a threat who think they will catch us up,
• 1:37:49
  man. That's right there.
• 1:37:51
  You have lived like two or three coaches careers.
• 1:37:54
  My friend tell us about MVA training what you're doing.
• 1:37:57
  Now, I loved your line. I had to write it down as a
• 1:37:59
  note. As far as owning your own
• 1:38:01
  business. You said I'm My Own Boss and you
• 1:38:03
  said, That was one thing but then what you the three words
• 1:38:06
  you added after that I thought were really essential.
• 1:38:08
  Are you said which is critical when you talked about owning MVA
• 1:38:13
  and having people on your staff? That's great because healthy
• 1:38:15
  things grow. So you're building a company
• 1:38:16
  which means people are employed, those are great things and
• 1:38:19
  you're serving athletes. So tell us about MVA training.
• 1:38:21
  How did it come about? What is it?
• 1:38:23
  Why should we pay attention to it?
• 1:38:25
  So I knew basically I knew that your track and field was ending
• 1:38:28
  their program. I mean I actually thought we
• 1:38:30
  were done after 12 and 16 and a 20.
• 1:38:34
  Nine Lives of the cat, right online class on how to build an
• 1:38:40
  online business and stuff. And I've had literally thousands
• 1:38:45
  of coaches asked me questions, and I've gone to clinics and
• 1:38:47
  doing that kind of stuff. And there's a need for an online
• 1:38:51
  platform where you can get training, you can get education,
• 1:38:54
  you can get Coach T. So basically, I've uploaded a
• 1:38:57
  lot of talks and a lot of podcasts and there's literally
• 1:39:01
  thousands of videos of training and Weakly, I write training so
• 1:39:06
  you can follow your one. Now I'm on your two overriding
• 1:39:09
  it and you know at any time I have like 50 to 60 athletes and
• 1:39:15
  coaches that are following the training and then you have like
• 1:39:18
  a community board that I post things too and we have about 200
• 1:39:22
  seven coaches on that and then I have a therapist who puts, you
• 1:39:26
  know, therapy modalities for athletes.
• 1:39:29
  And it'll grow to, you know, I've got a distance coach that
• 1:39:33
  will. I'll end up doing distance.
• 1:39:35
  Will end up doing throws. Will end up going like Sprints
• 1:39:37
  and hurdles. I mean right now with Spencer
• 1:39:39
  goes and jumps and and so it's growing that for not just I call
• 1:39:44
  it the Amazon of coaching. So it's a One Stop Shop to be
• 1:39:49
  able to kind of get everything from the standpoint of training
• 1:39:53
  coaching education and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:39:56
  And so there's just thousands of hours of videos workouts,
• 1:39:59
  everything like that. So it will put the link in the
• 1:40:03
  show. Notes here, but tell us the the
• 1:40:05
  website again. So you can.
• 1:40:07
  Well, mb8 that Services is the training thing.
• 1:40:10
  But basically, like I'm also doing, we do two camps.
• 1:40:13
  We do a winter camp, December, 27, through 29 for high school
• 1:40:16
  kids and, you know, we allow a little bit of junior college
• 1:40:21
  kids like that, you know, kind of come in.
• 1:40:23
  And then we have a summer camp that will be in end of June and
• 1:40:26
  July. And you know I thought wow, you
• 1:40:29
  know, this will I started at late kind of whatever and we had
• 1:40:33
  30 kids, and they flew in from all over the country to come
• 1:40:36
  into the campground and Virginia taxes, all these different kind
• 1:40:39
  of things. So it's been kind of whatever
• 1:40:42
  every Monday, Wednesday we have speed training, but that's my
• 1:40:45
  thing. I do only eight to twelve year
• 1:40:47
  olds who won't do anything older than that.
• 1:40:48
  So we're teaching this Young Generation coordination, balance
• 1:40:54
  multi-directional learning how to do lifts and kind of thing
• 1:40:58
  like that. That's all the local kids.
• 1:41:00
  And the great thing about it is the at my athletes are working
• 1:41:03
  at my The cap is, and they get paid for it.
• 1:41:05
  So, they have a part-time job, they have some kind of things to
• 1:41:08
  it. So and then we have some, some
• 1:41:11
  little bit of Technical Training, we have a high jumper.
• 1:41:12
  So Richie McCoy helps out with some of the high jumpers and we
• 1:41:15
  also do like a plyometric explosive training, so,
• 1:41:18
  volleyball players and will come out to that.
• 1:41:20
  So it gives the athletes money so that they can, you know,
• 1:41:24
  survive and have a part-time job of it.
• 1:41:26
  It's not a lot. But, you know, they make
• 1:41:27
  anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000 a month, which allows them to stay
• 1:41:31
  in the sport grow Then, you know, we work with International
• 1:41:35
  athletes that's got a lot of different things so you can do
• 1:41:38
  the online, you can come to camps clinics.
• 1:41:40
  We do you know more specific training.
• 1:41:44
  I have about four or five that you know, pay a little bit more
• 1:41:46
  to do specific training with me and then we have international.
• 1:41:50
  So I have 10 International nine, International athletes that I
• 1:41:53
  work with myself and be sure. Ramsey my assistant at the
• 1:41:57
  center and then this year we had a couple baseball guys come in
• 1:42:00
  so far the football agents Andre Have to me, but we just don't
• 1:42:04
  have the bandwidth to do that this year.
• 1:42:06
  Unfortunately, will try to grow it some more, but yeah, I mean
• 1:42:11
  it's different sports different spectrums.
• 1:42:13
  I think is track coaches. We are the best Speed and
• 1:42:17
  Agility and Sprint coaches in the world.
• 1:42:18
  A man who really are? We, we spend so much time that
• 1:42:21
  we could tell, you, you know, acceleration, all that kind of
• 1:42:24
  stuff. And I think sometimes when
• 1:42:26
  coaches aren't in tractate or they're kind of scared to leave
• 1:42:30
  the Comforts of columns, whatever.
• 1:42:32
  Because there is a me There's nice to have a paycheck, a
• 1:42:35
  pension, to have all that kind of stuff, but there's so much
• 1:42:39
  more money to be made. If you take a, if you take, you
• 1:42:42
  know, if you're in the right place to be let's put it that
• 1:42:45
  way. So right, right.
• 1:42:46
  No offense. But I'm not going to be able to
• 1:42:48
  do the same thing from a coaching standpoint in Muncie.
• 1:42:52
  It's dry right? Yeah yeah.
• 1:42:56
  But there is you know, I'm seeing it more and more I'm
• 1:42:59
  seeing a lot more coaches. We've got out of the college
• 1:43:01
  coaching food, doing speed agility, New thing and they're
• 1:43:05
  doing well and they're thriving in doing.
• 1:43:07
  So it also sounds like, you know, if you're watching this on
• 1:43:10
  YouTube, you may be picked up on this because your face kind of
• 1:43:13
  lit up a little different to you.
• 1:43:14
  You know, for the past hour and 40 minutes here some great
• 1:43:18
  memories, you know, and no greater than the day, you met me
• 1:43:22
  in Boise, I understand that but some great memories.
• 1:43:25
  But when you described working with the eight to twelve year
• 1:43:27
  olds and working with your assistance Bashir Ramsey and
• 1:43:31
  things like that, it sounds like you're having a lot of fun.
• 1:43:33
  To it's so much fun. I the only thing, the only
• 1:43:37
  reason I stay it will be the best time in my life.
• 1:43:39
  Is I have a seven-month-old my first child and I've been the
• 1:43:43
  last 10 weeks I've been dad and it's a new challenge.
• 1:43:47
  And I honestly beating her dad is better than coaching a gold
• 1:43:53
  medalist and so and it just changed everything.
• 1:43:56
  So for me, this Avenue allows me not to have to go to 76 more
• 1:44:02
  countries. Spend that time away and I'm
• 1:44:05
  building for the future for us. And so exciting from our
• 1:44:11
  standpoint that way that, you know, yeah, she's going to live
• 1:44:15
  a different life than I did not that we were, you know, broken
• 1:44:18
  for. But, you know, we have
• 1:44:19
  everything in for me to be able to provide and 100% use my
• 1:44:23
  legacy and that, that's your job as a parent, make it better for
• 1:44:26
  them than what you had it. No matter how good or bad you
• 1:44:29
  had it. How do you do better for them in
• 1:44:31
  my queue? You heard the conversation.
• 1:44:34
  They always think they're spouse for raising their kids and I
• 1:44:38
  don't want to be that guy. I want to be the guy who gets to
• 1:44:41
  pick up his daughter from school or take her to school and pick
• 1:44:44
  her up whatever and this what I'm doing right now allows me to
• 1:44:49
  and I think he was like you know I'll be will be in for me Italy
• 1:44:52
  this summer and a training thing for you know five to six weeks
• 1:44:55
  and they're going to come over for a month and stuff like that.
• 1:44:58
  Wow. He's like that and you know will
• 1:45:02
  depending on if the Asian Games happened.
• 1:45:04
  Or not, they'll hopefully be able to come over and stuff.
• 1:45:06
  So those kind of things allow me to college, you know, you don't
• 1:45:11
  have as much freedom from that standpoint, I got to recruit,
• 1:45:15
  you got to do this and, you know, yeah, you're gone from 9
• 1:45:18
  in the morning and you get home at 5:00 or 6:00 and then you got
• 1:45:21
  to be on the phone after we cancel stuff.
• 1:45:24
  And I really being where a mad, I get to go into work about 9:00
• 1:45:29
  9:30. And I'm, I won't be home at
• 1:45:32
  three or four because I love what I do and I probably stay a
• 1:45:35
  little bit longer but if I had to, I could be there.
• 1:45:38
  But every night I don't have to get on the phone and talk.
• 1:45:40
  All right there and be dad and you know, that's oh man.
• 1:45:44
  Yeah, so it's pretty. It's so awesome.
• 1:45:46
  Yeah. And actually we have Curtis
• 1:45:48
  speech is going to come out. He's I love him.
• 1:45:52
  Yeah, I'm excited to kind of get him in the fold of MBA and
• 1:45:59
  that's to we have our people right there.
• 1:46:02
  By the way, there is no other way.
• 1:46:04
  Yeah, that dudes, another level, you know, the cranes are going
• 1:46:06
  to come out, so I got him working some of the Koreans and
• 1:46:09
  stuff already and stuff like that and he's gonna have some
• 1:46:12
  Chinese athletes to work with. And so he's going to be a busy
• 1:46:14
  guy working with Mac Chris Mack and kind of coming over with me
• 1:46:17
  a little bit too good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Well man Jeremy you know no need for a long time and then he's
• 1:46:24
  into your young and and it's just amazing to see your journey
• 1:46:29
  into here your journey and I love that.
• 1:46:32
  You know, here's what's so interesting.
• 1:46:33
  Acting to me, even at again, this age and stage of your life
• 1:46:36
  and what a, new stage year working in to hear as a parent,
• 1:46:40
  oh my goodness, there is no, there is no bigger harder,
• 1:46:43
  frustrating loving thing than than being a parent.
• 1:46:48
  So so, so happy and proud of you there, but it's so interesting.
• 1:46:52
  You know, all the things that you've done, all the things that
• 1:46:54
  you've accomplished and I know you.
• 1:46:56
  So I know I have to say this the things that you've helped others
• 1:46:59
  accomplish, I mean, you're a servant leader from the from the
• 1:47:02
  drop. So you know, all Things that
• 1:47:04
  you've helped other people accomplish that you've
• 1:47:05
  accomplished. And it feels like, like, if your
• 1:47:08
  story was a book, like, if I were reading your story, like, I
• 1:47:11
  might be done with chapter 3 because I know there are seven,
• 1:47:14
  eight, nine. You have such a great runway in
• 1:47:17
  front of you, man. It's going to be amazing to
• 1:47:18
  watch your daughter, grow up, and the experiences that you're
• 1:47:21
  going to give her. I mean, that's just fantastic.
• 1:47:24
  That's seven months old. And she's already been to the
• 1:47:28
  Bahamas and she's been to 12 States.
• 1:47:29
  So there you go. And she 7 months old.
• 1:47:32
  Yes. Get out of here.
• 1:47:33
  My kids can't hear that, they'll be, they'll be jelly like two
• 1:47:36
  states. Dad, what the heck?
• 1:47:37
  Christmas? They're going to Hawaii and
• 1:47:40
  yeah. Oh my goodness.
• 1:47:42
  Yeah, my kids have been to the Bourbon Trail and Kentucky.
• 1:47:44
  That's they're like, yeah. We've been there, but it's just
• 1:47:48
  so exciting to see, you know, you thriving and surviving and
• 1:47:53
  again, serving others in that with the journey.
• 1:47:56
  Just the story continues to be written like I can't wait to do
• 1:47:59
  a five-year ten-year, 15 year checkup with you and you know,
• 1:48:02
  more metals and even Importantly growing the sport and growing
• 1:48:06
  people's love of athleticism and what it can do for them, you
• 1:48:08
  know. Someone's going to go to a
• 1:48:10
  University of Wisconsin, like you didn't become a doctor
• 1:48:12
  because of the help that you've given them to earn scholarship
• 1:48:15
  or just the belief of like wait a minute, if my Coach can do it,
• 1:48:19
  why can't I do it? Why not me, right?
• 1:48:20
  So it's just amazing what you're doing for others, and what you
• 1:48:23
  have done for others again that that backside we don't even see
• 1:48:26
  the things with coaching education.
• 1:48:28
  And again, I just get this like, you know, the thought of just
• 1:48:31
  lifelong learner and servant leader.
• 1:48:33
  Man that's that to me is like that's what I would title your
• 1:48:36
  book so far, man. You know.
• 1:48:38
  I was like I have a great book that I will write one day and
• 1:48:42
  yes, nuances. And you know, just been super
• 1:48:47
  blessed people. Yeah.
• 1:48:48
  Or you know just experiences. So I'm going to share this one
• 1:48:51
  thing that it will be in my book, which would be kind of
• 1:48:54
  funny. Yes.
• 1:48:54
  Yes. And so it kind of just keeps me,
• 1:48:57
  you know, the humility in my life and stuff like that.
• 1:48:59
  And so I always like look at it. My, in seventh grade I went from
• 1:49:03
  It's a very kind of affluent area.
• 1:49:06
  I mean it has, you know, regular middle-class people but it
• 1:49:09
  there's a lot of wealthy people who live here and stuff.
• 1:49:11
  And so high school will go over 2,000 people and you know
• 1:49:16
  Mercedes benzes and Beamers and all this kind of stuff in the
• 1:49:18
  parking lot. And, you know, I walk to school
• 1:49:21
  and we didn't, you know, we had enough, but we didn't have a lot
• 1:49:23
  and it was what it was. And but in like sixth, seventh
• 1:49:27
  grade. My dad bought these, huge green
• 1:49:30
  Oldsmobile, right? It was like old use kind of
• 1:49:33
  thing. Thing and I was just tank,
• 1:49:36
  right? The things of both and if you
• 1:49:39
  know, for kids who have a lot, you know, it and not having a
• 1:49:46
  lot, it was embarrassing. It was like embarrassing to be
• 1:49:49
  dropped off in the car was like going to school and I'm like Dad
• 1:49:53
  you can stop me off here. You know, we'd be a time.
• 1:49:55
  When people see me, I'll run a mild into school just drop me
• 1:49:58
  off there. So it was a good looking car.
• 1:50:01
  But it was like you know, this He's green Oldsmobiles.
• 1:50:06
  Like we call it the green monster and and so that's cool.
• 1:50:10
  I'm totally embarrassed and kind of whatever.
• 1:50:12
  And I say this as perspective in the prison of the chapter will
• 1:50:16
  be perspective and so I my parents had me play like
• 1:50:20
  inner-city sports, you know, to kind of just you know just it
• 1:50:23
  was a good way to kind of keep ourselves whatever.
• 1:50:26
  So he was eighth grade summer before freshman year play like
• 1:50:29
  LA City summer league it keeps kids off the streets and
• 1:50:32
  everything else like that. So these Kids are from l.a., you
• 1:50:35
  know, they have, you know, they're poor government cheese,
• 1:50:38
  all that kind of stuff. And so there's big green car,
• 1:50:41
  I'm kind of embarrassed and my dads taking me and, you know,
• 1:50:43
  dropping me off and I show up my teammates are there and I'm
• 1:50:46
  like, oh God, I'm embarrassed, you know, whatever.
• 1:50:48
  So I get out of the car and all my teammates.
• 1:50:51
  Go Jeremy, that's you? Oh my god, that car is glad that
• 1:50:56
  cars sold. Oh my God.
• 1:50:57
  That that's 72 old. Oh my God, it's amazing.
• 1:51:01
  And I get out of the car and I'm like, yeah, you know, you How We
• 1:51:04
  Do, you know, kind of thing? You have you changed that story
• 1:51:07
  real quick there? Yeah.
• 1:51:10
  Well I was such a huge poser because I sat there and I was so
• 1:51:14
  embarrassed in the minute, you know, it was like I'm out front
• 1:51:17
  of my friends who think it's like, the cleanest car ever.
• 1:51:19
  I'm like yeah, you know, you know, and it's perspective,
• 1:51:23
  right? And so that's how you know, kind
• 1:51:26
  of I have other stories like that, but it was like
• 1:51:29
  perspective of, you know, it's the situation of where you're
• 1:51:33
  at. Right.
• 1:51:34
  You know, it's that watch thing. Where, you know, your Dad gives
• 1:51:37
  you watch, you take it to whatever it's worth a couple
• 1:51:39
  dollars, you take it to an antique shop and it's worth
• 1:51:42
  10,000 bucks. And so it was like the car.
• 1:51:44
  Yeah. You know in Camarillo where
• 1:51:46
  people don't appreciate things and our materialistic, it was
• 1:51:49
  embarrassing but when I went to someone who had nothing, it was
• 1:51:52
  an amazing car. And so that's the perspective,
• 1:51:55
  I've kind of been able to carry in my life.
• 1:51:57
  Is the fact of yes I can coach not a list.
• 1:52:00
  I can be this kind of thing or whatever else like that, but are
• 1:52:03
  you Human, are you giving back? Are you?
• 1:52:05
  You know, kind of whatever what you're, you're keeping in
• 1:52:08
  perspective. The fact that you're doing the
• 1:52:10
  most, you can as a coach and as a provider and stuff, and it's a
• 1:52:13
  teacher and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:52:14
  So, you know, that's, that's the chapter that will kind of, you
• 1:52:19
  know. All right, about perspective.
• 1:52:20
  So well, I'll tell you what, my friend knowing you for.
• 1:52:22
  As long as I have, you are a good human and gu is as much
• 1:52:26
  experience as you've had as much perspective as you certainly
• 1:52:29
  had, you bout to get, ya. See now that I'm a dad and I'm
• 1:52:32
  dead of two kids. And I get to give these like old
• 1:52:35
  man, grabbed you help me like for any help that you could have
• 1:52:47
  had, but you bout to get some perspective being dad and be a
• 1:52:52
  dad that dot. My first kid was a saint and
• 1:52:55
  then my second one's a daughter and oh, my good, it's amazing
• 1:52:57
  how different they can be and how they tug on your strings and
• 1:53:01
  frustrate the ever living out of you.
• 1:53:03
  All unique way, so we are. Oh yeah.
• 1:53:07
  Oh yeah, yeah. That's they joke about that.
• 1:53:09
  But it's, that's like one of those things that's like, oh,
• 1:53:10
  you know, that's kind of real. That's that actually does kind
• 1:53:13
  of handy when she's with Mom. She doesn't cry.
• 1:53:15
  She's put down. She just kind of whatever, but
• 1:53:17
  if I'm around and she's put down when I did it to myself.
• 1:53:24
  Oh man, Jerry man. Thank you so much.
• 1:53:27
  What a blast, this is so funny. Kicking off season for here with
• 1:53:31
  us last week. We had the Great Dane path this
• 1:53:33
  week. Jimmy.
• 1:53:33
  Fisher. It's going to be hard to follow
• 1:53:36
  you to whoever the next one is gonna be like, oh, thanks.
• 1:53:38
  Thanks for helping letting me follow these two guys.
• 1:53:40
  So, but just so thankful for you, man.
• 1:53:43
  So thankful for our friendship and honestly, thankful for, not
• 1:53:47
  the things that people can easily see that you've done.
• 1:53:50
  You know, the coaching will and Brittany, you know, to amazing
• 1:53:53
  human beings on their own, right?
• 1:53:55
  You know what you did at OU and Northridge.
• 1:53:57
  That's, that's great. And that's, that's, that's
• 1:53:59
  awesome. But honestly for a guy like me
• 1:54:01
  who, you know, my bread and butter my My livelihood, not my
• 1:54:05
  livelihood. But my passion was the coach and
• 1:54:08
  education side. Knowing what you did, we touched
• 1:54:11
  1% of what you've done on that level, that I'm just so thankful
• 1:54:14
  for that. That's something that happens
• 1:54:16
  and has to happen that some people don't realize someone has
• 1:54:18
  to actually sit down in the chair and right, and someone has
• 1:54:20
  to actually teach in the preparation that it takes to
• 1:54:23
  teach. So just that whole body of work
• 1:54:25
  at such, a young age, my friend, just so thankful, man.
• 1:54:28
  So grateful for what you do for all of us in track and field and
• 1:54:32
  what you do for your family needs.
• 1:54:33
  It's a it's quite amazing. I'm just so so grateful for you.
• 1:54:36
  Yeah, no I appreciate you. Having me and definitely and
• 1:54:40
  look forward to seeing you down the road.
• 1:54:42
  So awesome. Absolutely a friend.
• 1:54:43
  Well, thank you very much story. Anytime anytime you want to come
• 1:54:46
  back and do a part 2, you want to do like a five-year-old.
• 1:54:48
  Check up with her. We'll talk about how that's been
• 1:54:51
  getting. You think you start school?
• 1:54:52
  That's its it. Never stops man.
• 1:54:54
  It never stops. Well, this never stops here at
• 1:54:57
  the Gil connections podcast again, just so grateful that you
• 1:55:00
  choose to listen to us. The I say it Ad nauseam.
• 1:55:04
  I know it's on purpose. I know the Gill connections
• 1:55:07
  podcast is not an easy podcast to listen to.
• 1:55:10
  This is not a 20-minute chunk. This is not a thing, even a one
• 1:55:13
  hour podcast, this is call it two hours every week with just
• 1:55:17
  amazing human beings and the reason we do it for this long is
• 1:55:19
  because these guys and gals deserve it, their story is not a
• 1:55:23
  20-minute segment their stories, not an hour segment.
• 1:55:25
  Heck we touch kind of surface level in 2 hours and so I'm just
• 1:55:29
  thankful that you come every week and listen to these amazing
• 1:55:32
  Journeys. Their story matters and I hope
• 1:55:35
  you are challenged. I hope you are encouraged by
• 1:55:38
  what they have gone through, what they go through, and what
• 1:55:41
  they continue to do for our sport.
• 1:55:43
  So join us next week when we pick another coach out of the
• 1:55:45
  Hat, see who comes onto the show and uplift, an honor, their
• 1:55:48
  Journey have a great week everybody.