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- Lucas: You know, when people talk about the biggest companies in the world, they usually name Apple, Saudi Aramco, Microsoft. But there's one name that rarely comes up in casual conversation, and it's not just big — it's the largest privately held corporation in the United States, and it's been under the same family's control since 1865. Luna: You're talking about Cargill. Lucas: Cargill. Based in Minnesota, does around one hundred thirty four billion dollars in revenue, and it's still owned and run by the Cargill and MacMillan families — two branches of the same tree, now into its seventh generation. The interesting thing isn't just that they've survived — it's how they've kept the company private and coherent while most family empires either go public or splinter. Luna: And it's not like they're a sleepy niche business. Cargill trades grain, processes meat, handles shipping, does financial services. They're in everything. Lucas: Exactly. They're the kind of company that quietly touches your life multiple times a day. The chicken you had for lunch? Cargill probably processed it. The chocolate in that candy bar? Cargill might have sourced the cocoa. They're embedded in the global food supply chain, and they've done it without ever listing a single share on a stock exchange. Luna: So how do they keep the family together? Fourteen family branches, hundreds of cousins — that's a recipe for drama. Lucas: It is. And they've had their share. But the key structural decision happened in the 1990s. The family created something called the Cargill Family Council, and they wrote a very detailed family constitution. It lays out rules for employment, for ownership, for how shares can be transferred. And crucially, they separated ownership from management early on. Luna: Meaning family members don't automatically get jobs? Lucas: Right. There's a policy that family members can work at Cargill, but they have to apply like anyone else, and they have to have relevant experience. No nepotism hires. And the CEO has been a non-family member since 1995 — first Ernest Micek, then Warren Staley, then Greg Page, and currently David MacLennan. That's a deliberate choice. They want the best person running the company, not the best-connected cousin. Luna: But the family still controls the board, right? Lucas: They do. The board of directors is majority family members. And there's a family-owned holding company that holds the voting shares. So the family sets the strategic direction, but the day-to-day operations are handled by professional managers. It's a classic 'owner-steward' model, but they've refined it with a lot of discipline. Luna: What about the money side? Private companies don't have to report earnings, but they must have some way of letting family members cash out if they want to. Lucas: That's one of the trickiest parts. Cargill has a share buyback program that runs periodically. If a family member wants to sell their shares, the company buys them at a fair value determined by an independent appraiser. That prevents a fire sale or a situation where outsiders get in. And they've capped ownership — no single family member can own more than a certain percentage, which keeps power distributed. Luna: That's smart. Avoids one branch taking control. Lucas: And they've been tested. In the 1990s, there was a very public feud between a family member named James Cargill and the board. He was a grandson of the founder, wanted more control, and ended up suing. The company settled and bought out his shares. That was a painful moment, but the system held. The constitution and the council gave them a framework to resolve it. Luna: Were there other moments where the family nearly broke apart? Lucas: The 1980s and 1990s were turbulent. The company had expanded into a lot of areas — steel, oil trading, even a brief venture into cattle feeding — and some of those lost money. The family was getting bigger, more diffuse. There was a real risk of fragmentation. But they hired outside consultants, did family retreats, and eventually codified the governance structure that exists today. Luna: I've read that one of their key principles is 'long-term thinking.' It's almost a cliché in family businesses, but Cargill seems to live it. Lucas: They absolutely do. When the 2008 financial crisis hit, commodity prices spiked and then crashed. Cargill took a hit, but they didn't panic. They had the capital reserves to weather it because they weren't worrying about quarterly earnings pressure. Compare that to some of their public competitors like archer daniels midland, which had to cut dividends and sell assets. Cargill just kept operating. Luna: So the private structure gave them a buffer. Lucas: It's a huge advantage. No analyst calls, no activist investors, no pressure to maximize short-term returns. They can invest in projects that take ten or fifteen years to pay off. For example, they spent years developing a new type of soybean with a higher oil content. That's a long bet that a public company might find hard to justify. Luna: It reminds me of something that applies beyond family businesses — if these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, maybe made you think differently about how you run your own company or manage a team, there's a simple way to keep the show ad-free and independent. Lucas: Listener support is what makes this possible. No sponsors, no commercial breaks — just people who find value in the stories we tell. If that's you, you can help by buying me a coffee, as the saying goes. Just go to buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: And it genuinely makes a difference. Even a small contribution keeps the lights on and lets us keep digging into stories like this one. Lucas: Alright. Back to Cargill. There's another fascinating piece: how they handle the next generation. They have a formal family education program. Young family members learn about the business, but they're also taught about stewardship. The idea isn't just to pass on wealth, but to pass on a sense of responsibility. Luna: Do they have a rule about how many family members can be on the board? Lucas: Yes. The board has around fifteen seats, and about ten are family members. But they need to be qualified — they can't just show up because they have the last name. And there are term limits. It's designed to keep the board effective, not just representative. Luna: What about the next generation of leaders? Is there a potential seventh-generation CEO in the wings? Lucas: It's possible, but not guaranteed. The current CEO, David MacLennan, is non-family. But the family has a pipeline. They have a family council that nominates candidates for the board, and they actively groom younger members. There are family members running divisions — for example, a MacMillan runs the protein business. But they have to prove themselves. Luna: So it's not a meritocracy in the strictest sense — family still gets a leg up — but it's not a pure dynasty either. Lucas: That's the balance. The family gets preferential access, but not preferential treatment once they're inside. And the company has a culture of hiring from outside for senior roles. About half of their executives have no family connection. That brings fresh thinking, and it prevents the groupthink that can plague multi-generational firms. Luna: One thing I find striking is that Cargill has never had a major scandal that threatened its existence. Compared to, say, Enron or even some family-run banks. Lucas: They've had controversies. Environmental concerns around factory farming, antitrust issues in the 1970s, a big tax dispute in 2013. But nothing that cracked the foundation. I think the governance structure helps. The family doesn't have a single dominant personality who can lead them off a cliff. Power is shared, and decisions are deliberative. Luna: What's the biggest threat to Cargill today? Lucas: Probably the same thing that threatens all family businesses: the seventh generation. Studies show that only about three percent of family businesses survive to the fourth generation. Cargill is in its seventh. The risk is that the family becomes too dispersed, too disconnected from the business. When you have hundreds of cousins who've never worked a day at the company, it's easy to view it as just a source of dividends. Luna: And that's when you get pressure to sell or go public. Lucas: Exactly. So far, the family has resisted that. But it takes constant work. They have family meetings, they communicate the mission, they make sure that the younger generation understands what the company stands for. It's not just a financial asset — it's a legacy. Luna: Do you think they'll ever go public? Lucas: I doubt it, at least not in the foreseeable future. The family seems genuinely committed to the private model. They've seen the advantages — the ability to reinvest, the long-term horizon, the lack of distraction. And they're wealthy enough that no single generation needs to cash out. The buyback program provides liquidity. So I think they'll stay private, and they'll keep adapting their governance as the family grows. Luna: It's a remarkable story. A company that's been around since the Civil War, still owned by the same family, still headquartered in the same state, and still growing. Lucas: And that's the takeaway for me. Cargill proves that a family business doesn't have to choose between staying small and going public. You can be massive — one of the largest companies in the world — and still keep the family in control, if you have the right structures. It's not easy, but it's possible. Luna: And it starts with a constitution, a council, and a commitment to letting non-family leaders run the show. Lucas: Exactly. Thanks for listening.