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Groypers, Zionists, and America First, OH MY! Steve Deace Joins | Ep 11 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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Well, howdy and welcome to Mark Driscoll show.
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Guys. We have an awesome show in store
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for you. We have special guest Steve Dace
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joining us today. We get into all kinds of things,
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including we find out why Nick Fuentes is still a virgin.
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Get ready. We're going to talk about
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conservatives. We're going to talk about
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conspiracy theories. We're going to talk about our
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favorite person, Candace Owens. Bugle up.
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Get ready. It's going to be a good one.
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Awesome. So first question we wanted to
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talk about what does the conservative movement look like
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post Charlie Kirk Lot lot lot of attacking each other right now.
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It's it's a mess in the conservative world.
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So, Steve, you've been doing this how long?
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20 years. 20 years in the political space, Christian, you
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love Jesus. Bible guy.
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Have you seen anything like the reality television show slash
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rehab clinic that we're living in right now?
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No, I this year has been the the the greatest bingo card ever.
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OK, I mean, some old lady would have won her trip to Belize.
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Y'all were talking about recently on your podcast with
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this being go card. This is been it's been
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incredible. And I and I.
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Incredible good. Incredible bad.
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Yes, and, and, and I and I and I would go to just even the last
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90 days where, you know, we had our, our our, our dear friend
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just assassinated MLK style. And then after that, you know,
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it's funny, and I heard from a lot of pastors that I know
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around the country I heard this from, I know that TPUSA heard
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this as well, which is, well, we appreciate what Charlie's doing,
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but, you know, he's too close to Trump.
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It's too political. And we kind of think, frankly,
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he's just using the gospel for politics.
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And then they watch that memorial and they watch Don
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Junior tell America more about the first Christian martyr,
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Stephen, than most Christians know.
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They watched Marco Rubio basically do an altar call to
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say that's the Secretary of State of the most powerful
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nation in the history of this planet.
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OK. And to the point that by the
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time Trump got up and spoke, you know, he's like, snap, man.
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I should have gone first because it's hard to eclipse Trump on a
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stage, but obviously Jesus is going to do that.
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And so in a way, it almost looked like the by the time he
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got up to do his thing, the event had kind of.
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Crescendo. Yeah, it'd gotten beyond him and
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what, you know, what he represents.
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And, and, and then I had a whole bunch of those same pastors that
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said things like this to me for years and said things to like
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that to TP USA for years. Oh, man, we had it backwards,
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all right. I mean, it turned out he was
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using the political process to spread the gospel.
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And so that's why they, you know, we had this mass spirit of
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unity. Thousands of churches joined TP
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USA in the aftermath. People that didn't want to
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return their calls. We're now doing so.
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And then it seemed like maybe these are the seeds of revival
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to see Erica get up there and model forgiveness, forgiveness,
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but also that the state is to do justice at the same time.
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And it seemed like we were looking at mustard seeds of
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revival, which is why I'm not surprised that the enemy said,
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oh, wait, they're about to figure this out.
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You know, for the last 20 years we've, we've, we've had the
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church thinking there was a quote, third way of doing this.
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If there was a, there was a way. Real quickly, Steve, that's it.
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I always say not to interrupt you.
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Right before interrupt you explain that third way because
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there's an entire generation of evangelical leaders, many of
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whom are not finishing well, and they decided that straddling the
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fence and chafing your crotch was Christian fidelity.
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So explain the third way which which is the chafe crotching
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agenda. I think Martin Luther has the
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best description of the third way ever, which is if I have the
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Utman, I'm paraphrasing here, but if I have the utmost
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devotion to Christ, but yet I do not take that devotion into the
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place where the fire rages the absolute hottest, then I'm
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really not any kind of a Christian really at all.
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And that the first people that Christ throws into the Lake of
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Fire are cowards. And what the third way basically
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said was we could create kind of these suburban monasteries,
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Protestant evangelical monasteries.
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But at least when the Catholics did it, they built them in the
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middle of nowhere. We built ours right in the heart
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of where the real battle is actually taking place.
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OK. And that we could have these
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mass mausoleums that Tuesday through Saturday do nothing but
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just have weeds that need mowed in the in the lawn.
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The battle is raging at all these homes and all these strip
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malls and all these storefronts and all these office parks that
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are surrounding us. The battle is raging.
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We have nothing to offer. We preach kind of this neutral
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Jesus where where the where the baseline gospel of sin and
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repentance is preached. But but there's no expectation.
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There's no application. I was in one of these churches
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once and the pastor at the end of the sermon, I'll get this is
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a great example. Got up and started talking about
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Telemachus the month that ended the gladiator games in Rome.
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And he told the story about Telemachus and how he had yelled
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out, this is savagery in Latin. Stop what you're doing.
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And eventually after doing it three times and nearly spilling
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his water, eventually the, the, the, the people realized it
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wasn't a joke. And so one of the centurions
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came over because he now he had gone down to the floor of the
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arena and one of the centurions came down and ran his spear
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right through his, his heart and killed him on the spot.
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And, and, and the backlash to the death of Telemachus was so
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profound that that was the last day ever the gladiator games
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took place in Rome. And so I'm listening to this and
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I'm like, wow, for once, this guy is going to do it.
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He's going to do it. And then and he's going to end
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it with, and now your job is to go be the Telemachus of your
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family, the Telemachus of your community, the Telemachus of
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your church. Kid you not, he got done telling
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that story and said, all right, we're going to call the worship
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team up and just do one more song, OK?
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That is third way ISM in a nutshell, that there is a way to
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do this parallel to the world and not perpendicular like the
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cross is. And so these two worlds, the
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city of Man and city of God, never have to intersect.
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Not coincidentally, it's also a great way for me to do ministry
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so we can rack up an exorbitant, exorbitant amount of tithing
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units because no one's ever offended when they come here,
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right? And that's essentially what
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modern evangelicalism has been for the last generation.
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And and they claimed they were doing this to be quote seeker
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friendly. And the great irony of all of
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that is Charlie was the one being seeker friendly because he
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was going where the seekers actually were.
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It's always funny to me that these these kinds of churches
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always think the seekers are in the most posh suburbs where
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people want the least amount of conflict, the most amount of
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comfort, and can write the biggest checks.
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It's kind of funny to me how that always works itself out.
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Yeah, I read something the other day.
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It was talking about Christians are the only people that fish
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and expect the fish to show up in the sporting goods store,
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right. And it's like, no, that we're
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not going to the non believers. Pastor Mark, you're getting told
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a lot. The pastor shouldn't talk about
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this stuff and pastor shouldn't address this.
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What are you seeing at your church?
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So for me, we should two things. Number one, if Christ is risen
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and ascended, then he has authority over all that is under
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his throne. And as citizens of his Kingdom,
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we should be speaking about everything that is under his
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rule. And that means everyone and
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everything. So the complete idiots who say
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just preach the gospel, it's like, no, no, if His throne is
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over all people and places, that means everyone and everything is
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under His sovereign rule. That means we have to preach
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about everyone and everything coming under His sovereign rule.
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Because when all is said and done, everyone and everything
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will be coming under His sovereign rule.
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And they need to know that we want them to repent as soon as
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possible, bring themselves and all of their stuff under His
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sovereign rule. That's the call of the gospel.
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That is the gospel. It's not just personally
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accepting Jesus in your heart. He's not just Lord over your
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heart. He's Lord over everyone and
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everything. And so again, this is a
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truncated view of the gospel that Jesus only rules in here.
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He doesn't rule out there. And, and secondly, I, I come
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into political convictions through, through biblical
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convictions. So I, I preach through books of
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the Bible. I know you're, you're, you're a,
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you're a Bible guy, Steve. And it's like, OK, we'll just go
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to Genesis. OK, well, there's the Tower of
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Babel and God says no to globalism and he creates
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nationalism. OK, we'll just keep going.
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Next book of the Bible. If you're preaching them,
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Exodus, oh God has a head on collision with the government
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and the nation of Egypt. I mean, OK, now we're hitting
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laws. OK, what are these laws for?
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And you know the penalty. Based on.
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They're based upon God setting up governments with rule of law
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for justice from their creator, which our founding fathers
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decided they would adopt. You just keep going.
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You get to books like Ezra and Nehemiah.
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It's a government project to secure a city so people can
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worship God. OK, go to Daniel.
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Well, this is a guy working for a government.
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Oh, yeah. Yet again, go to Genesis 38
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through 50. It's God sovereignly raising up
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Joseph to have a government position so that he can feed
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people and preserve a remnant so that the nation of Israel could.
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I mean, you know, the Abrahamic covenant just so that we can get
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the nation of Israel. It's political.
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I mean, you would, you would have to literally be a drunk
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monkey to preach through books of the Bible and ignore that
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oftentimes the backdrop is nations and governmental
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leaders. You get to the New Testament,
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the government murders Christ, the apostles get arrested by the
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government, the disciples get martyred by the government.
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I mean, for those people that say we need to stay out of
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political issues, these, these are people who are foolish and
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they have had very bad Bible teaching and they have not had
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expositional teaching taking them through books of the Bible,
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because if you go through books of the Bible, you're not quite
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as much of an idiot. Are you seeing conversions?
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Are you seeing people get saved at your church?
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Well. Yeah, I mean, so if you teach
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the Bible, people repent of sin and receive Jesus.
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So like this year, we've had 629 baptisms at our church and you
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could preach and reach. And this is one of the things
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that is a lie. And one of the lies is, well,
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we, we can't really teach and we can't really preach because we
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want to reach. And it's like, no, no, the word
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of God is powerful and effective.
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Don't be ashamed of the gospel. And people aren't saved because
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they're stupid. People are not saved because
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they're sinful and unrepentant. So tell them that they're sinful
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and repent and that they need to repent and then they'll get
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saved. And so, yeah, I mean, what what
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Charlie was doing was he was an evangelist, you know, under the
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auspices of political engagement, but what he was
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doing on campus was like an old tent revival.
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Literally, there's a tent. There's literally a tent.
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And there he is. And he is having conversations
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about people with people and he's telling them about Christ
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and biblical worldview. And so if you can't see Charlie
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as a creative evangelist and a tent revivalist, you missed the
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entire point of his ministry. And you knew Charlie.
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I knew Charlie. He loved Jesus Christ and his
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his political commitment was here.
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His commitment to Christ was here.
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His devotion to Jesus was his highest devotion.
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And that came through at his memorial.
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And I think those who tuned in were shocked because they the.
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Largest proclamation of the Gospel in human history.
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In human history and everybody said, well, you can't talk about
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Charlie without talking about Jesus because Charlie was always
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talking about Jesus. So let's Fast forward Steve from
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that. So the enemy sees that and says,
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well, now they're good if we don't step in the I think the
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enemy said if, if, if we don't step in here, they're going to
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figure out that actually being a prophetic voice to the culture
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is the most effective evangelism tool they actually have.
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And that the bifurcation of these things that we convinced
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him to do for a generation is a total scam.
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Because Charlie, if Charlie did anything, he proved Third way
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ISM and seeker sensitivism was a heterodoxy in a scam.
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He proved that. And so I think the enemy then
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has gone in OverDrive to sow seeds of division in the
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brethren. I think frankly, we have some
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smart, well meaning people that are also spiritually immature
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that have, I think, prematurely tried to foist themselves and
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did Charlie's void. But they they don't really have
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the the the spiritual know wherewithal in biblical
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knowledge to understand the context of the things they're
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talking about. And now they're advocating,
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well, maybe we should decouple from Israel and join with Islam.
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Now maybe we should decouple from Israel.
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That's a separate topic. Joining with Islam is a pretty
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terrible idea of you knowing 13 or two years of history of
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trying to do such things, right? And then you, I think you have
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just good old fashioned scallowags and grifters that
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have stepped in to try to exploit the moment for whatever
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selfish means they have. And now we're in this period
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right now, we're trying to figure out how do we confront
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these elements, because you have to confront these elements in
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any movement, otherwise they'll infest it, but the same time not
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make the division even worse than it already is.
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And so that's kind of where we're at here at the end of the
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year. It's hardcore tribalism.
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We're seeing tribal chiefs emerge.
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And one, one of the things that Charlie did, because he had
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relational winsomeness, he would behind the scenes do a lot of
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coalition building and he would bring people together to try and
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work out their differences privately.
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In addition, he had enough authority that he could be a bit
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of a, you know, a hostage negotiator between the tribes.
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Today that person is gone and there isn't anybody with the
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relational ability or the depth of character.
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And so it what we have now, it almost feels like like AWWE
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event and we lost the referee. Can I give a personal example of
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what you're talking about? I don't think I've ever, I don't
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think I've even talked about this publicly before, but a
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couple of years ago, Charlie calls me out of nowhere on a on
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a weekday afternoon. And I had taken issue with
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something somebody close to him had said on an on an issue.
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I don't even remember what it was now just goes to show how
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effective what he did here was. I don't remember who it was and
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I don't even remember what the issue was.
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All right. And he called me up and said,
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Hey, can we, can I talk to you for a minute?
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I heard you go after so and so. All right.
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And let me just kind of give you the the backdrop on that.
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So you know where he's coming from and why that was said and
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why that was done. Then he kind of explained to
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himself himself and I wasn't sure if I even agreed with him
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yet or not. But in in our line of work, it
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is way more common for that for that person to instead just jump
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on. Well, back then it was Twitter
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blast, blast away, which will cause somebody like me to just
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dig in my heels all the more and in in defense of myself.
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Instead he called me confront. This is he confronted me.
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Now he did it in a genteel way, but this is a confrontation.
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Nevertheless, he called me, he confronted me, explained his
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side and then says, hey, are we good?
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Do you think we're OK? And then I don't know what else
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to say other than, yeah, I think we're OK and we're good and just
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diffuse the entire situation to the point, again, I don't
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remember who it was or even what the issue was.
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All right? The amount of people on our side
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who had the integrity but the clout to do that as well, it's
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just very small, unfortunately. And that's just one example.
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And I can promise you there's a hundreds of examples like that
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of, of, you know, nuclear bombs that Charlie diffuse behind the
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scenes. And so my experience with
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Charlie, I'd ask if you agree when you were with him, he was a
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bit of a pastor. He considered other people.
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He had a a bit of compassion and empathy.
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And like a pastor, he would help lead people to the place that
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they needed to be. And he did have best interest of
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other individuals at heart. And so to me, when I was with
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Charlie, I was like, he, he is a political guy.
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He's an evangelistic guy, but he is a bit of a pastor.
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I thought he was maybe the most, and I say this small A because I
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don't want to get you guys in any theological trouble after I
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leave here, but I I think small a, he is the most apostolically
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gifted human being I've ever met.
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I mean that there the ability to rebuke, confront, restore,
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repair, and when you consider the the youngest of his age,
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there was just an unbelievable amount of Apostolic anointing
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and blessing there. And of course the enemy saw it
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as well, which is why he shot him in the throat.
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And so where does that leave conservatism?
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And, and, and at this point, they like, what does the same
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Christian do to move forward in this incredibly conflicted,
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Take care and God bless. You know, as we are having this
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conversation, we're getting ready for Americafest, right?
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And I, I, I have said this to the whole team over there.
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I've said this to my own audience.
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My, my hope is that we will come out of this with the unity and
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siege of revival. We felt after Charlie's
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memorial, there's a possibility this is going to be the biggest
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event ever held on the right that wasn't a Republican Party
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convention. And a lot of these are people
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who could not get to the memorial.
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And so this is going to be their celebration of Charlie's life.
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And I hope that will help us to keep things.
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I'm just going to, I'm speaking four times this week and I am
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going to try as best as I can to make the main thing, the
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absolute main thing. Because I think it's vitally
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important from just a morale. And it is free decor after the
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last few months of nihilism that that we go into the holidays and
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into the New year feeling that momentum and inspiration and
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messiology and purpose again. Because after the new year we
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are going to have to have some very sober talks.
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We're going to have to have some very adult level talks about
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what, what is and should be our future relationship with Israel,
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what is and should be our future relationship with Islam because
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it's complicated. We, we do have some Arab
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countries, I call them Arab as a distinction from Muslim.
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We have some Arab countries that Trump understood from doing
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business deals over there that it turns out there's a lot of,
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there's a lot of sheiks and caliphs and others who are who
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just like we have, you know, politicians on our side here in
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our country who they fake their Christianity for election.
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Plenty. What Trump learned is there's a
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lot of Arab leaders over there that would prefer to have a
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Wahhabi state than Wahhabi schools, right?
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But they just don't feel like they can, they're politically
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feel like they have to genuflect to it.
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They got a they've got a, you know, reach out to it or pander
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to it. And so I think that Trump's
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understanding of that and that psyche is why he's had
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unprecedented success with these Mideast peace deals.
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And so we do want to have some economic common ground with the
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Saudis, the Jordanians, the Egyptians.
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They literally lobbed drones at missiles that Iran aimed for
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Israel earlier this year. All right.
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So we want that because if if they will take bribes to not
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have any needless Middle Eastern wars.
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I think all three of at the table here would say.
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Yeah, good. We're in.
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OK, All right. The the issue though, that we
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can't have and this is a conversation that we need to
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have in the last era, you know, we were told, let's go fight him
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over there. So they don't come over here.
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Well, we went and fought them over there and they're still,
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they all still came over here. But we can't do is we're going
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to go invest over there and then let them come over and import
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their culture over here, right. When I see countries like Qatar,
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that's what they're doing. They're heavily invested in
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things like Al Jazeera, the network that is just pumping,
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pumping. It's did you notice that there
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were more protests in our country?
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We saw more protests in our country about quote UN quote,
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Palestine and then and Gaza. Then we went on in Egypt and
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Saudi Arabia. And it's because these interest
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are punch or pumping this into the television feeds of the
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three million plus Muslims we've imported into this country since
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9:11. And so this worldview is now
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behind our own veil. All right.
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And So what we can't do is just like in the middle, we did the
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military version of we're going to have the worst end of both
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deals in the previous era. We can't do the commerce and
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business side of that. Now.
22:21
I am fine cutting deals with them in order to normalize
22:24
relations. Right now there's 2000 Jews
22:26
working full time in Saudi Arabia.
22:28
That may not sound like a lot. There's not a lot of Jews in the
22:31
world. 2000 Jews living full time and working full time in
22:35
Saudi Arabia is freaking extraordinary.
22:38
All right, I'm, I, I'm great with that.
22:40
But we're not going to import Saudi Arabian culture into
22:43
America, right? No, you're not going to buy our
22:45
movie studios. No, you're not going to buy our
22:47
schools. No, you're not going to private
22:48
equity, our college sports teams.
22:50
You know what I'm saying? I mean, you have your way of
22:52
life. We have ours.
22:54
There's no reason why why, why we have to fight over that.
22:56
But we're not going to let you subversively come in and undo a
22:59
value system that Charlie understood is not really
23:01
compatible with Western civilization.
23:03
And I think that argument is going to have to take place in
23:07
this next year. And and that's why I think it is
23:10
paramount here at the end, particularly with something like
23:12
Amerifest Americafest, that that we make as much of a good faith
23:16
shared purpose mystiology deposit right now.
23:20
So that later on that, you know, we, that when the family's got
23:22
to have a serious conversation about direction of where we're
23:25
going as a, as a clan here, people feel like, you know, that
23:29
there's not a bunch of bitterness that is still
23:31
leftover because there are serious conversations that have
23:35
to take place on the right. And Charlie knew that.
23:37
But we don't have a leader like Charlie to officiate them right
23:40
now. Yeah, so let me ask you 2 weird
23:43
questions. What is driving on the right?
23:47
The addiction to conspiracy theories?
23:51
And what is driving the complete anger and bitterness of young
23:58
men? I mean because without naming
24:01
names, it seems to me young men anger, bitterness, burn it all
24:07
down. Don't trust anybody.
24:09
Women. Conspiracy theories.
24:12
Wild, wild, wild conspiracy theories.
24:15
This. Hey, those tabloids weren't in
24:17
this in in the checkout line of the supermarkets for years,
24:19
brother, because nobody read those things.
24:21
Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, let's start with the young men first.
24:25
There is going to be, and there is occurring a revolution with
24:28
the young men, and that is good and it is overdue.
24:31
The question is, what kind of revolution will it be?
24:35
We are either going to have the French Revolution or we're going
24:37
to have the American Revolution. Now, what is the difference?
24:40
The French Revolution is power to the people.
24:43
It is down with the elites, down with the aristocracy.
24:47
And that sounded like fun and games until the clergy started
24:49
losing an eye and their heads. What they did right after that
24:53
is they brought the guillotines back out that they used to use
24:55
on them and said, we're not going to use them on you,
24:58
starting with the church, right? And and they, they kicked the
25:01
Virgin Mary out of the cathedral, Notre Dame, not for
25:04
the reason that you and I might, but for the wrong reasons.
25:07
They did it because they replaced her with the goddess of
25:09
reason instead, All right. And, and, and instead they took
25:12
a different group of people, just a different throng of
25:15
people were falsely imprisoned, falsely blasphemed, falsely
25:18
smeared, falsely broken. Then the the other group they
25:21
just cost shifted their sinfulness.
25:24
There wasn't really anything noble there in that revolution.
25:27
And, and, and that is a, that's what godless revolutions on this
25:31
earth typically produce. You just end up becoming exactly
25:33
like that which you overthrew. That's the end of Animal Farm,
25:36
right? And they look from man to pig
25:37
and pig to man and back to pig again.
25:39
And they couldn't tell which was which.
25:41
Right now the American Revolution is a has a higher
25:44
yield. What it what's like one of the
25:46
final lines of the declaration. We appeal to the supreme judge
25:49
of the universe for the rectitude of our actions.
25:52
That's a old English term for, for motivations.
25:55
All right, Meaning our what is what we're doing in line with
25:58
your will because God if this if this is wrong because there was
26:01
great there was great argumentation amongst the
26:04
founders because a lot of them came from Anabaptist post
26:08
reformation and a Baptist traditions and they believed any
26:11
rebellion against the governing authority was they had the John
26:13
MacArthur view that any rebelling against the governing
26:15
authority, no matter what the cause is a violation of Romans
26:17
13. So they had to navigate this
26:19
space. They spent a good deal of time
26:21
theologic that why do you think they list all those grievances
26:24
against the king in the mid in the in the middle in the body of
26:26
the declaration. They are making the case that
26:29
what he is asking us to do is ungodly and that we must obey
26:33
God and not man. And then at the end, at the end
26:35
of their theological treatise, they say, Lord, if this humor
26:39
hermeneutic is wrong, if we have not rightly divided your will in
26:42
the word, then do not let this be successful.
26:44
That's what that line means. They were appealing themselves
26:47
to be judged, all right. They were.
26:49
That's, that's humility, right? This is where Congress sends
26:51
Geneva Bibles out to every household in America as one of
26:54
the first acts of a, of a new country, right.
26:57
And so which revolution are we going to have?
26:59
The French Revolution, where all that angry energy is going to go
27:02
somewhere and probably in a destructive place, or the
27:06
American Revolution, where we're going to construct a place.
27:08
And let me tell you who I think is going to determine that,
27:10
Mark. I think it's going to be men
27:11
like you and me are going to determine that.
27:13
Our generation, you know, it took me a few years.
27:16
I was really lamenting that our generation is probably going to
27:18
get passed over from a leadership perspective, like the
27:21
next president's probably going to be a millennial.
27:24
All right, if it's a Republican anyway, it's probably going to
27:27
be JD Manz all right and and and then I then the Lord is like no,
27:31
you have it wrong. You are going to take a
27:32
leadership position, but what we your generation needs to show
27:36
finishing well the current. Generation is not finishing
27:40
well, correct? They're hanging on well and
27:43
they're fumbling in the red. Zone correct For the young men
27:47
to have the American Revolution, here's what they need.
27:50
They need to see grandma's still pinching grandpa's butt well
27:54
into his 60s because they've been married together the whole
27:56
time and that still dig each other.
27:58
All right. They they need to see that you
28:00
are leaving them an inheritance and striving to leave them more
28:03
than they probably could possibly want that you whatever
28:06
you can Max out, you want to leave that for them that you
28:08
took care of your retirement so that as best as you can.
28:11
You're not calling them all the time right when they're in the
28:14
prime struggling years of raising your grandkids that you
28:17
did what you could to get out ahead of that and make yourself
28:20
in a position where you could want your available if they need
28:23
your time and you're not a drain on their time in resources.
28:26
In other words, they need to see it that you're not the 60 year
28:29
old guy. I've got the 35 year old side
28:31
piece secretary. OK, that I think I'm going to
28:33
get away with that. And maybe you think you're going
28:34
to do that because you're the Michigan football coach.
28:36
You're not going to get away with that.
28:38
They need to the call of of our Gen.
28:40
X generation is to make up for the previous era is not
28:44
finishing well. We have to finish well.
28:47
And because there's no male role model for the young men to turn
28:51
to and say there's a better place for my anger than this.
28:54
There's a better place for my for my frustration and energy
28:57
than this. There's no model.
28:59
We skipped a generation of men in the pulpit and the families.
29:02
And So what our generations number one call will be is to
29:05
replace that marker and put that marker in the home so the
29:08
younger men can see that there is a way to take that anger and
29:12
turn it into righteous indignation, right?
29:14
And it's not about tone or temperament, all right?
29:18
It's about motivation, all right?
29:20
Jesus didn't throw attention when he, when he turned over the
29:22
money changers. There was a motive.
29:24
There was a righteous motivation behind that action, right?
29:27
And I think our generations call now we have to show that we're
29:31
going to finish well, so those young men can see, you know
29:34
what, there's a time in my life when all this stuff that you
29:37
guys yelled at me and said, don't prolong adolescence, get
29:40
married poor, do all that kind of stuff.
29:42
And now on the back end of it, I can see what faithfulness
29:44
provides. Look at the life you have.
29:46
I mean, I want that life I want, that's how I want that that
29:50
third and final state act of my life.
29:51
I want it to look exactly like that.
29:54
Well, we skipped a generation of modeling that legacy.
29:56
And I think our generation's call will be to reinstall, to
29:59
reinstall that legacy so that the young men now fight the
30:02
American Revolution and not the French Revolution.
30:05
It's out of a devotion to Christ and not just power to the people
30:08
and anger. Yeah, and, and the motivation
30:11
that drives a young man is ultimately glory to God and good
30:17
for family. Those are the only two things
30:20
that'll drive a young man for a lifetime.
30:22
It's glory to God and good for a family.
30:24
And this is where I I agree. And we're even seeing it.
30:27
I mean, you're, you're more in politics.
30:29
I'm in pastoral ministry. An entire generation is not
30:34
finishing well. They're either hanging on way
30:37
too long, like not handing over the baton to the next
30:41
generation, or wildly failing at the end.
30:46
Apostasy. Adultery.
30:50
Let me can I address that point really quick too, because this
30:53
is this is where I think our generation is key.
30:56
The young men need to hear it is not easy to get on the other
30:59
side of this. OK?
31:00
I mean, you notice my, my wife and I talk about it publicly
31:04
now, but my, our kids didn't really find out about it until
31:07
God restored the situation. But, you know, five years ago,
31:11
my wife and I were this close to getting a divorce.
31:14
I was this close, and she was this close to being the
31:17
cautionary tale of not finishing well, that we are talking about
31:21
here. And nothing short of the Lord
31:23
doing a miracle brought us back from the.
31:25
Yeah, all right. And now, now it's like we're in
31:27
our 20s again. We cannot keep our hands off
31:29
each other. We don't go anywhere.
31:30
Like we can't avoid it without each other, right?
31:32
The kids are grossed out again. That's what you want.
31:34
OK. Yep.
31:35
You know, in a good way. OK, You know.
31:37
And you don't want them in trauma therapy.
31:39
Yes, but yeah. Good.
31:40
Out is good. Yeah, yes.
31:42
But but it's not easy to get to this point.
31:46
And I think they need to. They need to see us suffer.
31:49
They need to see us fall down and get back up.
31:52
They need to hear things like the the closest I've ever come
31:55
to testing the perseverance of the Saints was the opening
31:58
weekend of Nefarious and we made only $500,000 domestic.
32:03
And I'm like, I'm going bankrupt.
32:05
I I I nearly died making. I remember talking to.
32:09
You and Yep. And I'm.
32:10
I'm out. And the Lord, he abandoned me.
32:11
I cannot believe this. OK?
32:13
And I'll never forget what you said to me on the phone that
32:15
night. All right, about you get to this
32:18
point and you have to make up your mind.
32:20
All right? Did the do I really believe the
32:21
Lord brought me all the way out here to pull the rug out from
32:24
underneath me? OK Or am I against my feelings
32:27
and emotions? Am I gonna persevere?
32:29
Am I gonna stand on that wall, stand in the gap and see what
32:32
the Lord has waiting for me on the other side?
32:33
Right. And And I listened to your
32:36
advice and I waited to see what the Lord has waiting for me on
32:39
the other side and now what he has waiting for me on the other
32:42
side. I mean, if, if I knew at 25 this
32:46
is what life would be at 52, I'd have tried to get married and
32:49
start all this a lot sooner than I did.
32:50
So it could happen in my 40s when I was still a lot younger
32:52
and in better shape and stronger.
32:55
And, and so that's what the young men need to see.
32:58
They need to see that we, we, there will be struggles, there
33:01
will be doubts, there will be fail.
33:02
There will be failures, but that you will persevere through those
33:06
things. You'll finish that race.
33:07
Notice it doesn't say win the race.
33:10
You win by finishing the race. All right, that's the win.
33:14
And I think we skipped a generation of finishing the
33:16
race. And I think that what our
33:18
generation, the Gen. X is #1 charge now is we have
33:21
the men of our generation have to be the generation that
33:24
finished the race so that his generation and the one behind
33:26
them can see that modeled again and say, OK, I don't have to cut
33:29
corners. I don't have to prolong
33:31
adolescence. I don't have to grift.
33:33
I don't have to scam. But I don't have to lie.
33:34
I don't have to just pick, you know, another group to other or
33:38
fall into the, you know, the Jews could not come up with a
33:40
homeland of their own for 1800 years, but somehow are running
33:43
the planet just to, to stuff that is just low IQ silliness
33:46
when you put it, when you say it out loud.
33:47
But when you're thinking emotionally, you don't think
33:49
like that, right? That model needs to be shown
33:52
that there that, that the father is faithful if we are faithful
33:56
as fathers, right? And I think that's what we
33:58
skipped. And that's the main charge of
34:00
our generation. When I'm seeing it with a lot of
34:02
young men, they're they're being told, hey, be a man activate.
34:06
We're seeing the most conservative generation of men
34:10
in America in 50 years. So they're OK.
34:12
I'm heterosexual. I want to get married.
34:15
I want to buy a house. I want to have kids.
34:16
I want to have a family. Great.
34:18
Praise God. OK, go.
34:20
They're like, damn, this is hard.
34:21
Yes. Yeah, way harder than I.
34:23
Thought way harder than. Who would I look to to show me
34:25
that this can actually be done? Yeah, well then they're like,
34:27
OK, it's the Jews. The Dang Jews make it hard
34:30
because. They own all the banks.
34:31
Or yeah, they own all the OR or it's the.
34:32
Except all the ones China actually own, yeah.
34:35
Yeah, or it's the, or it's the Dang government, or it's the but
34:38
you just keep looking for someone to blame that it's hard.
34:41
And here's here's the freaking. This is the attraction of a Nick
34:44
Fuentes. Yeah.
34:45
This is this is Louis Farrakhan ISM for the right.
34:48
A lot of stuff that Farrakhan said when we were growing up
34:50
about it's. Hard to be adulting.
34:54
Yes, is hard. Yes, it.
34:56
Is like even being a man is hard.
35:00
Peering out your sphincter and following the light is a
35:04
lifetime endeavor. Right.
35:08
Yes. It is hard.
35:09
Like paying your bills is hard. You like marrying a woman is
35:14
hard. Staying married to the woman is
35:16
hard. Feeding the children is hard.
35:18
Paying the bills is hard. Running the company is hard.
35:21
Everything is hard because the world is cursed, because you are
35:25
sinful. Satan and demons are real, the
35:28
flesh is real. Everything is against you.
35:31
Ecclesiastes is right, it's all toil.
35:35
There is no shortcut. Don't blame anybody.
35:39
Stop bitching and go do something.
35:42
But those of us that say that we have to do it too, we have to
35:46
show that. When I hear that from my boomer
35:48
grandparent who's like, Hey, I can't come over and watch the
35:51
kids, you know, when you've got three jobs because I've got I've
35:56
got a bridge club in Belize, as you guys were talking about
35:59
recently. All right, kind of hard to then
36:01
turn around and say, Hey, by the way, I need you guys to pay my
36:03
retirement, but you can't have your student loan debt
36:06
cancelled. Kind of a hard argument to make.
36:09
And so this this is where you can't sit there and say, like, I
36:12
heard what you said the other day about 50 year mortgages and
36:14
you challenge me because my I went to the Milton Friedman
36:17
School of Economics brain is like, this is a terrible idea.
36:20
But when the way that you practically approached it,
36:22
listen, you're right. They can't have a boomer
36:24
generation say, listen, we're going to give you guys more debt
36:26
than any human civilization has ever had.
36:28
Yeah, but you can't have a 50 year mortgage, all right?
36:31
That stuff is not going to work. You're got to be auto. 50 year
36:34
mortgage. Yes, yeah.
36:37
So we've we've got to mod our the charge of our generation of
36:41
you and I as Gen. Xers.
36:42
Now we have to finish. Well, we have to model this so
36:46
that when we then turn around and say you don't see, that's
36:49
the attraction of the Farrakhan's and the Fuentes's
36:52
the core thing, the core mess, their core messages are largely
36:55
correct. Much of what what what Farrakhan
36:57
said was being done to black men coming out of the civil rights
37:01
movement was accurate. OK.
37:03
Much of what Fuentes is arguing and complaining about in terms
37:06
of the plight of Young is accurate all right, But the
37:08
problem is both of these guys as messages are to leave you in
37:11
perpetual victimology. So all you do is complain.
37:14
All you do is whine and get increasingly angrier.
37:17
That's all. That's all he does.
37:18
That's all he does. You know why, though?
37:20
Two things. And then we're going to go to
37:22
why women are chasing conspiracy theories #1 he's a virgin.
37:27
We knew you were going there. The dude, the dude, he's like a
37:30
2 liter a pop that's been shook for 26 years.
37:34
They've never cracked the lid. He's frustrated.
37:37
He lived with his parents till like last year.
37:40
That's a good. Listen, there's something to
37:42
that. There is something to that.
37:44
And #2 once you become a dad, you, you all of a sudden can't
37:51
just sit around and complain. Yep, you got to produce.
37:54
And so George Gilder is right. Civilizations are made by men
37:59
with families to feet men. And so at the end of the day,
38:02
it's like, you know what? I would be angry all day, but my
38:04
2 year old daughter wants to eat and then she needs a tea party.
38:09
So I can't be on the Internet ranting right now.
38:12
Yeah. I Candace that.
38:13
Yeah, well, it's something to pray about.
38:15
For the record, I wasn't going to say her name.
38:17
It wasn't me. I didn't do it.
38:19
Rock, paper, scissors. You're not good, but, but how?
38:23
Don't do me 14. He's the one you want, not us.
38:27
You give us the loans, get out of my mention.
38:29
Yeah, but but how much of it is once you get married and you
38:34
have your wife and you have your kids and you're going to bed
38:37
with your wife and your playing catch with your son or you're
38:41
snuggling and doing tea parties with your daughter?
38:44
It kind of takes the angsty edge off a wee bit.
38:48
I mean, I'd listen to Ride Over Here.
38:50
Your guy, John Welnick, was telling me about a conversation
38:52
you had with a young man recently.
38:53
He's like, I really want to marry this girl, but I just
38:55
don't think I'm financially ready.
38:56
He's like, bro, it's a lot better to be broken Mary than it
38:59
is to be broken single. All right, That's way more.
39:02
Crass ways to say that, but. Yeah.
39:05
So, so shifting without naming names, so young men are
39:09
conservative, but they're angsty and they're angry and they're
39:12
looking for somebody to blame and they're getting all tribal.
39:15
So on the other side, we have the most progressive, liberal,
39:19
feministic generation of women in the history of the world.
39:25
So I don't know who these dudes are going to marry.
39:27
I mean this. Is the good news if you and I
39:29
did our if we did our job right raising our daughters, it is a
39:33
buyer's market right now that's. Why it is?
39:37
The supply and demand is working in there.
39:39
It is. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it is.
39:41
It is. It is.
39:41
Yeah. I mean, yeah, it is for sure.
39:43
So why are young women like conspiracy theories and like
39:49
wild, wild speculation without even a faint hint of factor
39:58
evidence? I think a lot of this would be
40:01
your classic suburban wine mom with too much time on their
40:04
hands. Frankly, I'm not kidding.
40:06
This is too much young and very restless.
40:07
Yes, just for the next generation.
40:09
And I know that because my mom, listen, I was born to a 15 year
40:12
old mom. My mom and I literally grew up
40:14
together. I I still remember that Vicki,
40:17
that that that Victor Newman was the patriarch of Young and the
40:20
Restless. And Nikki, the former stripper
40:22
was his wife. Because I had to watch all this
40:24
stuff growing up. It was in my home all the time.
40:26
All right. And I love my mom.
40:28
OK. And what's funny is now that
40:29
she's older, this is the stuff that drives her nuts about
40:31
women. And she'll complain about it now
40:33
that she's older. OK.
40:34
But yeah, there is a soap opera aspect to it.
40:37
There is. I have too much time on my hands
40:39
aspect to it because when you when you strip away all the
40:42
various claims, none of which are true, you're really saying
40:46
because people would always people would e-mail me.
40:48
Well, counter I want you to every day on your show, go over
40:50
all why this is wrong every single day.
40:52
And I'm like, I'm going to do that in two easy steps, OK.
40:56
Do you believe that you care more about what happened to
40:59
Charlie Kirk than his wife and every person who knew him and
41:03
worked for him? Do you believe that you care
41:06
more about Tyler Robinson getting a fair trial than every
41:10
single member of his family who turned him in?
41:12
And then not one of them, not one of them has come forward to
41:15
say, hey, my son or my cousin, my nephew's getting a raw deal
41:18
here. You don't have the right man,
41:19
not a single man. You have to believe, OK, Karen
41:22
and Schenectady, you have to believe that you care more about
41:26
Charlie Kirk than his widow does, the widow of the most
41:30
viewed murder in all of human history, and that you care more
41:33
about Tyler Robinson than his own family does.
41:35
That is beyond preposterous. Before I don't have to entertain
41:40
these salacious details that about it, that when someone
41:43
clearly doesn't know what a time zone in Egypt is, or let alone
41:46
Utah, I don't have to do this because that's so stupid.
41:50
When you say it out loud, it wouldn't possibly merit any form
41:53
of a logical response. I've got a that's essentially
41:55
what's being claimed. I've got a son sitting right
41:57
here. If I turned him in for the most
42:01
public murder in the history of the world and then burn my
42:05
entire family's name and reputation forever to the
42:09
ground, turned us into the Bin Ladens, you're pariahs.
42:15
And it was like, whoops, is. There any he.
42:19
Said I did check his library card and it got fun.
42:22
What did I know? I mean.
42:23
Could could the Jews pay you enough to do that?
42:26
I'm telling you, bro, I'm telling you no.
42:33
No, see, it's just I, I had AI had someone call me about a
42:38
month ago and they had just gone on a business trip overseas.
42:42
And he comes back and he says, Steve, I can't believe this.
42:45
My dear 115 LB traditional Latin Mass Catholic wife has just
42:52
completely fallen prey to this. I was gone for a week overseas.
42:55
She got bored, guanned on some of these podcasts, and now she
42:59
is convinced that Mossad had Erica Kirk.
43:03
And you know, when Charlie was murdered and it he told me it
43:08
took him three days to literally deprogram his sweet wife.
43:12
OK, to show her, show her this was all a crock.
43:14
Now, some of this is, is it's all wrong, but some of it is
43:18
justifiable. And I, and I say this as the
43:21
guy, as far as I know, one person has written 2 certified
43:25
bestsellers on the scandemic and it's me.
43:27
I don't know anybody else who has.
43:28
So we have just seen in the last five years every single
43:32
institution that our founding and framing generations
43:34
established to hold on to epistemological integrity in a
43:39
culture. We have seen them all
43:41
weaponized. We've seen them all corrupted
43:43
and turned against us. I cannot blame anybody at all
43:47
for not believing any official explanation.
43:50
Absolutely anything. That's why Ask yourself this.
43:55
Do you believe, I mean, Charlie left behind an empire?
44:00
An empire. Hundreds of employees.
44:02
And thousand whose 1000 employees?
44:04
Yeah, yeah. People whose whole lives were
44:06
going to be dedicated to serving his cause.
44:09
And they're and they are. And they're all in on it.
44:11
And no one's turned evidence. No one's come in and said, hey,
44:13
I, I was in the text. We actually did the, you know,
44:16
Mossad really did it. OK?
44:17
No one probably 'cause it never happened.
44:20
The, you know, you care more about Tyler Robinson than his
44:23
entire family does. The, the, the entire furry
44:26
community does. Cause none of them have come
44:27
forward either guys to say, hey, you know what man?
44:29
We were, I was whatever tranny furries do on a random Tuesday.
44:34
We were doing it OK, and we were doing in Palm Beach and I've got
44:38
the. I don't want to know.
44:40
There's not enough hand sanitizer to deal with that.
44:42
There's no expulcatory evidence provided by anybody who has the
44:46
most motivation to provide it. And so this is where as
44:50
Christians, there's you know, to use a borrow a phrase here about
44:54
the whole narrow Rd. thing. Do not be suckers for the spirit
44:58
of the age. Do not fall for you know, when
45:00
you when you see something suddenly appear online, Here's
45:04
your backs card, here's your Ukraine flag.
45:06
All right, And no, they're not bringing blockbuster back.
45:08
That's the Ukraine flag. OK, here's you know my pronouns,
45:12
right? Wear a mask, stay home, save
45:13
lives. That's all psyops.
45:15
That's all jamming techniques. You know what else?
45:17
The jamming technique how out of out of in the middle of
45:20
absolutely nowhere starting by in like February everything was
45:23
the Jews faults ever everywhere you went online.
45:25
That's also another form of a SIOP and jamming technique.
45:28
Whenever something appears out of absolutely nowhere and you
45:32
can't trace what its actual origin is, I promise you it's a
45:34
malevolent present presence every time.
45:37
And so don't be a sin for the spirit of the age.
45:39
Don't fall for canards, right. At the same token though,
45:43
remember this about Christianity.
45:45
Christianity is not the endless asking of questions.
45:48
It is the ceaseless seeking of answers.
45:52
Ask, seek, knock. We're in the Advent Christmas
45:56
season, Jesus said. For this, says to Pilate.
46:00
For this reason, I came into the world to testify to the truth.
46:04
The fact that God wants truth to be known is not any more
46:08
prevalent than this time of year where the King of the universe
46:10
left paradise to put himself into the most vulnerable human
46:15
form of his own creation. He could an unborn child into an
46:18
unwed mom. All right.
46:21
He, he he had his diaper changed.
46:23
He had to learn how to talk. He had to learn how to feed.
46:26
Had to be weaned off his mother's breast.
46:28
He had to learn how to build sturdy tables like this.
46:30
He had to learn a trade, a craft.
46:32
All right, He thirsted. He went to the bathroom.
46:34
There were nights he couldn't sleep.
46:36
All these things he did to be known by you.
46:38
That's why he did it, too. For the truth to be known, this
46:41
idea that the truth is mysterious, it's unknowable.
46:44
Only a few really smart special people have it.
46:48
That's exactly what it is. And it's up to us to disperse it
46:50
to you. This is the first heresy, this
46:52
is Gnosticism. That's exactly what it is.
46:55
And so remember, don't listen, don't fall for the official
46:58
explanations on virtually anything without Zapruder film
47:01
level evidence number one. But #2 don't be a sucker on the
47:05
other end for for grievance and grifter peddlers.
47:08
And ask yourself, are they leading me to answers?
47:11
Are they leading me to answers? And a lot of times you can tell
47:14
if something is of God by your response to it.
47:18
Does it make you more godly? If your response to something
47:21
doesn't make you more godly, likely it's not a godly.
47:25
Well, and does it build faith or fear?
47:27
Correct. Because the truth builds faith
47:32
and lies build fear. And we were talking about it
47:37
just briefly beforehand. Everything went upside down in
47:41
the universe when Satan just started asking a question.
47:46
And so those who say I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not, I'm
47:52
not undoing the truth. I'm not, I'm not saying
47:54
anything. I'm just, I'm just asking
47:57
questions. I'm just trying to, I'm just
47:59
trying to hold people accountable.
48:00
I'm just trying to just trying to get to the get to the bottom
48:03
of this. Just asking questions.
48:05
To a woman. Yeah, it's like the the the
48:08
thing. The.
48:10
Thing unravelled with a question and sometimes the question is
48:19
demonic and what we saw on the left is deconstructionism is
48:26
asking questions to deconstruct and now what we are seeing is
48:31
deconstructionism on the right. I think the French Revolution
48:37
pot right wing populist deconstructionism that is
48:40
godless and it so when it when it so after it's gotten it's
48:43
it's it's when it's a claim, when it's a crude enough
48:46
hegemony, it'll end up behaving just like the the godlessness on
48:49
the left because the root is godless.
48:52
And so you can be a deconstructionist.
48:54
Deconstructionism is a, a weapon of the enemy.
48:58
It is a it is a counterfeit to the truth.
49:01
Well, God creates Satan, counterfeits and so it can be.
49:04
Deconstructionism can be weaponized by the political
49:08
cultural left or the right, and so when it is used by the trans
49:13
community, it deconstructs gender and God.
49:16
When it is deconstructed, when deconstructionism is wielded as
49:20
a weapon by the right now, you are, you are deconstructing
49:24
reality, you're deconstructing logic, you're deconstructing
49:29
reason, you're deconstructing facts, you're deconstructing
49:33
truth, and you're deconstructing relationships.
49:38
Either way, it's it's an evil and it's a tactic of spiritual
49:43
warfare. And so yeah, the the asking of
49:46
the wrong question is how the entire universe came unraveled.
49:52
And it didn't lead to facts or evidence.
49:55
It didn't lead to faith or joy. It didn't lead to unity or
50:00
purpose. It didn't lead to blessing.
50:03
And so you've got to ask yourself, when these questions
50:05
get asked, does it again, does it lead to godliness?
50:08
Does it lead to blessing? Does it lead to faith?
50:10
Does it lead to joy? And if not, it's demonic.
50:15
It's it's spiritual. Warfare, Yeah, you've said it's,
50:18
it's much easier to critique than to build.
50:20
And we, we need a, we need a builder to lead right now.
50:24
You've coached politicians, you've helped lead campaigns,
50:27
all kinds of things. If it's advance or if it's
50:29
someone else, what do they need to do in this next season?
50:33
I think JD Vance setting even 28 aside, I I think I think Vance
50:39
is the only human being alive that I am currently aware of
50:42
that I think has any chance of filling one of Charlie's key
50:47
voids, which is being a prophetic voice to guide the
50:49
next generation of young men. I.
50:51
Agree. That the challenge he has to do
50:54
that though, does now spill over into his political and
50:57
aspirations because the group of people he's the most equipped to
51:02
speak for and lead also is the one that can at times be the
51:06
most susceptible to some of the things we were just talking
51:08
about. Yeah, right.
51:10
And so, you know, we have a, we have a teeter totter coalition
51:15
right now and platforming, attempting to whitewash Nick
51:19
Fuentes and turning him, turning him into the, the right wing.
51:23
Louis Farrakhan has the potential to blow up our
51:26
coalition because of both mainly, frankly, Christian
51:31
traditions that hold Israel in a high regard.
51:33
And frankly, many of those Christian churches know way more
51:35
about Judaism than the average Jew in the world does.
51:38
OK. And they're and they're a key
51:39
component. They're one of the largest
51:40
voting blocs we have in our whole coalition.
51:42
So mainstreaming Nick Fuentes and then saying that if you
51:46
believe in Christian Zionism without even defining what that
51:48
is, you're a heretic that has the potential to completely blow
51:51
up our coalition. On the on the other hand,
51:54
attempting to cancel the man who said that because of the other
51:57
body of work he does on a lot of other issues, that's great And
52:00
people respect has the potential to cancel, to blow up our
52:03
coalition in the other direction.
52:05
So what's going to be the fulcrum here that's going to
52:07
balance these kinds of things out?
52:09
And I think JD Vance is the best chance we have to keep that
52:12
coalition together. That the key, I think for him is
52:15
going to be, how do I put this? Charlie was a key spiritual
52:22
advisor in these kinds of situations.
52:24
Yeah, and they were friends. And they were friends and, and
52:27
remember, JD is barely 40 and he just became a Christian in the
52:30
last few years. Right now, given the depth of
52:33
knowledge that he has displayed, it's clear and he takes it very
52:35
seriously. But he's also relatively new to
52:38
this himself. I think it'll be vital for him
52:41
to have a voice or voices that can help him to understand how
52:45
to navigate, particularly because it's one of his other
52:48
good friends that is one of the one of the people that is making
52:52
a lot of our people nervous right now when we talk about
52:54
Tucker, right? And so how to navigate that will
52:58
require a lot of prayer for wisdom on his part.
53:01
I think I think his his biggest threat to the nomination is this
53:04
internal division right here more than any other candidate is
53:08
all right. How did and it and it's good
53:09
training for what being a president is like when you're
53:11
presiding over a country with these various views.
53:14
So how does he I mean, JD, his chief of staff as a great guy,
53:18
Jacob Reesus. He's a Jews Jew.
53:20
OK. At the same time, you know, so
53:23
how does JD learn how to navigate these treacherous
53:26
waters, how to hold that coalition together?
53:29
If he, if he learns that, if he, if he gets good wisdom to to try
53:33
and fill some of the void that Charlie had behind the scenes
53:35
and doing that for him, then I think you'll run and route to
53:38
the nomination. If he doesn't, then I think
53:40
it'll leave the door open for someone to come forward and try
53:42
to exploit that. Yeah, and if the midterms don't
53:48
go well, we've got two years. Of And listen impeachments and
53:54
listen impeachment, and not just Trump and try to impeach every
53:57
junior, hey, anyone you like the most in the administration,
54:01
Those are all the ones. They're not going to try to
54:02
impeach Pam Bondi. They're going to try to impeach
54:04
Pete Hegstaff. That's where you try to impeach.
54:06
Yeah. But if we if the midterms don't
54:08
go well, it is 2 years of law fair and impeachment and
54:11
stonewalling and just yeah, it is going to be rough.
54:16
Yep, that is very. So we probably got nine months.
54:19
Yep. We need, we need signs, clear
54:23
signs in the average kitchen table in neighborhoods like this
54:28
that by, I would say Labor Day of next year that it's very
54:32
clear that the, the, the meta stuff in the economy actually
54:38
has a lot of good markers. But is what it when, when the
54:41
average American family or upper or middle to upper middle class
54:44
family gets together, do they feel that at their kitchen
54:47
table? And the answer to that is still
54:48
no. And that needs to be felt in a
54:50
micro economy level. The other thing we need,
54:53
frankly, is the the two wings to our coalition we added in this
54:58
last election was the Maha Wing and then the the Joe Rogan, Theo
55:03
von bro dude wing, and these are these are in the Maha wing was
55:06
never Republican, never conservative.
55:08
They kind of began working with people like me during COVID
55:11
because they saw we had a shared concern and, and skepticism and,
55:15
and they're growing increasing. They're getting increasingly red
55:17
pilled. That's good.
55:19
Maha. The Maha stuff got off to a very
55:21
slow start early in the year. They were very upset.
55:23
It has gotten way better in the second-half of the year.
55:25
So they're, they're, they're way, they're more unified than
55:27
they were a few months. A lot of young women love them.
55:30
The bro dude people are not happy though when they see stuff
55:33
like This morning reports from Cash Patel that about how how
55:37
even more scandalous the rate of Mar a Lago was than we even
55:40
thought. What they want is Cash Patel to
55:42
say, and therefore that's why I'm in the district, the Florida
55:46
district, pull the trigger, pull the trigger, pull the trigger.
55:48
And the fact that that is not happening.
55:51
These are people that really just think the entire system is
55:53
a simulation and a show and they want it.
55:55
And they may not be wrong to some degree, but they want the
55:58
swamp drain and the system confronted.
56:00
And right now they're totally off the reservation, completely
56:03
off. We got to get them back on all
56:05
right, and, and we need and because a lot of the a lot of
56:09
the native MAGA people also care greatly about accountability and
56:12
transparency too. Cash is busy.
56:14
Yeah, yeah, He's got date nights on his private plane.
56:16
I know he's busy as one. Does any who we've got to see
56:21
Return of Fire the the number one thing that I think we have
56:24
to see guys to avoid the current cold civil war becoming hot,
56:28
which I do not want to see all right, I'm 52 all right.
56:31
I had to lose another 40 lbs to get a dad bod.
56:34
OK, I will not be fighting the civil war all right, my
56:37
brilliant 18 year old son will be he will be you and I aren't
56:40
fighting this all right, so I I don't I'm not I'm not this isn't
56:44
I'm not up for the tough guys Civil war.
56:46
I love the guy who was like civil war man and then you made
56:49
sure your little Princess Dolly wore a mask before she went into
56:51
Costco. Don't give, right?
56:53
It's going to be this guy, these guys, they're fighting.
56:55
We're not fighting it right? So how do we avoid that?
56:58
What we need more than anything is mutual assured destruction.
57:02
What did Reagan do in the Cold War?
57:03
Well, after 30 years of weakness in front of the Soviets, the
57:06
crazies and the Kremlin believe they could actually win a
57:08
nuclear war now. So maybe we should push the
57:10
button 1st. And what Reagan showed them is
57:13
no, we're going to build up our military to the excess of yours
57:17
to show you that the movie War Games was right.
57:20
The only way to win the game is not to play.
57:22
Do not push that button. You'll just be king of a
57:25
radioactive anthill. No one will win, all right?
57:27
And that mutual assured destruction stopped them from
57:30
pushing the button. What's happening right now is
57:32
Democrats know they can do whatever they want to us
57:34
whenever they want. And there will be no feet.
57:36
Don't blowback unless the voters provide it.
57:38
There will be no blowback legally whatsoever.
57:41
And whenever you have a bully, I don't care if it's a schoolyard.
57:43
I don't care if it's the Rotunda of the Capitol Dome.
57:46
When you have a bully who you just let punch you into
57:49
perpetuity and they never once fear that they one day may may
57:52
face the the sight and smell of their own blood, they're just
57:55
going to keep punching you. And at some point there has to
57:59
be mutually assured destruction because that bro do vote is
58:02
saying to themselves, bro, if the guy who got shot in the face
58:06
so he didn't win the election, even he won't stand up and push
58:10
these people, then no one will. So you know what there's no
58:13
point to ever getting involved again.
58:14
Or it's back to ancient aliens. Joe Joe Rogan, go back to
58:18
ancient aliens. We're just telling us that tell
58:20
us that weed is a food group. We tried, we tried assaulting.
58:23
We tried into the world Wesley Huff on to show us Christianity
58:26
is real. We gave got a shot and then in
58:28
the end we gave you guys your shot and all you did was punk
58:31
out. So back to ancient aliens and
58:33
weed, I guess that is and and and without those voters, we're
58:36
kind of screwed. So we need to show them we that
58:39
they didn't vote for us in vain. We didn't lie to them.
58:42
All right, That we do intend on following through on
58:44
transparency and accountability. Not to mention that's good for
58:47
the Republic. It's a good place to leave.
58:50
It I think it's a good place to leave it.
58:51
Thank you guys so much for joining us for the Mark Driscoll
58:53
Show and Merry Christmas.