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Oculus Anubis: The Dark Myths & True Crime of Oregon's Most Mysterious Estate · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  And I think because it's the property is so secretive, people aren't really allowed
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  to go on there because it's private property.
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  private, private.
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  And because like the gate, the statues are visible.
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  It's very intense.
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  So unique and intense.
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  And honestly, it's like stunning.
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  I would love to have a gate like this.
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  Hell yeah.
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  It's so unfortunate that people like make up all these crazy stories about it.
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  I know.
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  Because it's just such an easy, it's an easy target.
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  It's kind of low hanging fruit.
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  Hi, Caitlyn?
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  Okay, take two.
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  I liked it.
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  Okay.
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  Hi, Cassie.
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  Hi, creepy people.
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  Oh, wow.
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  This is PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things
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  weird and creepy and cool in the Pacific Northwest.
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  What is the Pacific Northwest, Caitlyn?
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  So the PNW, if you're nasty.
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  So nasty.
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  And we know that you are.
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  We might be getting nasty in this episode.
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  Maybe a little.
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  Maybe it's a little murky because spoiler alert, I might have stepped on Caitlyn's toes
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  a little bit without asking.
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  I forgot to ask because it's not murdery.
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  Well, yeah.
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  I mean, I feel like that's pretty free reign.
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  Yeah.
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  You've talked about cases that were murder adjacent before.
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  I know you usually always ask you though.
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  I'm like, hey, just by the way.
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  Sometimes, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I don't know.
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  But so I spoiled the topic of this.
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  Yeah.
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  That's true.
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  For everyone.
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  Yeah, for everyone.
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  Which is fine.
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  I just.
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  And that's just fine.
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  Once in a while, I give things away on accident.
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  That's always on purpose.
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  And so Caitlyn, I heard the topic and she looked it off apparently and was like, oh, this has
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  like a true crime element to it.
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  Like, would it be stepping on your toes if I like looked into this?
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  And I was like, oh, shit.
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  I was like, I literally wrote enough this up on it.
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  I added all the crime.
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  Unless you feel free to research after me in.
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  Okay.
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  If you dig anything out, you can do that.
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  Dig anything out of its butt.
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  Out of its, out of its tunnels.
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  Oh, it's butt tunnels.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm really on butts right now.
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  Are you?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I've been listening to a show that talks about butts a lot.
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  Not in relation to the show and its content.
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  They just really like to talk about butts.
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  It's totally aside from their core content.
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  So funny.
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  Juicy.
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  Yeah.
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  Big fat juicy.
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  Yeah, they talk about booty clapping.
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  It's great.
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  I'm enjoying it.
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  Well, should we get into this?
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  I don't know.
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  On a scale of Caitlyn scooting further into her seat, somewhere in the neighborhood of one
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  to ten times, where we, how many scoots are we on this one?
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  Maybe one.
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  Okay.
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  It might be a one scooter.
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  I don't think you're going to, I think you're going to be fine.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I realized just a few minutes ago that I'm understanding the biological responses that I've
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  been describing where I feel as though I'm being chased by a rabid bear.
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  Yeah.
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  Very specific type of anxiety response that I'm having.
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  I think it may have something to do with the cortado that I consumed.
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  Oh, dude.
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  That's a lot for you.
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  I feel like.
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  And pretty quickly, I might add, because it's only eight ounces.
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  So I totally looked and like thought about getting one on the way here and I was like, I
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  don't want to stop.
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  Like if I'm already late, so I didn't get one.
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  They're fucking delicious.
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  First of all, you probably should have, because I'm a little hungover.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Well, we can help you out with that.
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  But I'm drinking wine.
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  So we're okay.
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  It's that hair of the dog.
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  Sash.
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  Shush.
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  Shush.
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  Shush.
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  - Sasquatch wine. - The Sighting.
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  - The Sighting. - Trees, very on-brand.
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  So just right off the top here, we're gonna establish
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  that this is a private property that we're talking about.
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  - Oh, so, dick road. Don't be dick and' all that.
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  - It's a private property. There's neighbors really close.
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  - Okay. - I'm not telling you to go there.
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  Honestly, I probably wouldn't go there. - Yeah, sounds like that's not the move.
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  - Honestly, the little bit that I do know.
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  It sounds like that's not a vibe. - Yeah. - You know what I mean?
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  - I'm more scared of people than anything else, I think.
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  And I just don't wanna break any trespassing rules
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  and get in trouble with the law. - With the law.
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  - Yeah, so I will be staying away, but I'm gonna tell you about it.
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  'Cause it's really interesting.
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  And there's a lot of weird rumors and things associated with the property.
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  So I gotta talk about it, right?
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  - I'm so excited.
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  In Damascus, Oregon, about 16 miles southwest from Portland, Oregon.
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  Obviously.
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  As one does, lies a property shrouded in mystery and crime.
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  - Ooh. - Ooh.
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  - Known as Oculus Anubis.
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  - And I really just wanna put an echo on that, really bad.
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  - I mean, we have the, listen, we have the technology.
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  - We do. - Oculus is Latin for eye.
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  - For eyeballs.
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  - I don't know if you noticed.
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  I wore my eyeball shirt, which I have worn recently,
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  but I obviously had to wear it today.
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  'Cause eyeballs. - Of course.
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  - Of course.
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  - And I don't really have an eyeball shirt
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  and I didn't know that I should, but I happened to wear this planet.
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  - Yeah, you're meaning someone. - I'm thinking of actually circles.
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  It's got other circles that look like eyes you said earlier.
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  So it works.
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  Houston, I am the problem.
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  - I feel like we can relate anything to anything.
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  We do tarot, so.
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  It's very interesting, though, this name, Oculus.
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  We'll get back to it.
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  - Okay.
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  - And Anubis is the ancient Egyptian god of the afterlife.
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  He cared for, preserved, and protected the dead.
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  He has the body of a man in the head of a jackal.
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  Also listener of the pod.
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  Anubis.
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  - Yeah. - Famously.
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  - Obviously.
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  I had to look up what a jackal was.
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  'Cause obviously I knew it was a wild dog thing,
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  but I never specifically looked it up.
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  They're so cute.
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  They're pretty cute.
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  They look like coyotes, smaller coyotes with pointier taller ears.
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  And really cool fur patterns.
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  - Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Interesting.
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  I found a video the other day of somebody who rescued a
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  tiny baby fox.
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  They look like kittens.
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  When they're that young,
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  "Oh, Foxy."
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  They don't start to look like a fox right away.
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  And then all of a sudden, they were like,
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  "Oh, fark, we adopted a fox."
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  - Whoopsie.
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  I mean, I'm not mad about it.
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  - That would be amazing.
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  - Right.
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  A freaking fox.
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  Sorry, guess you live with me now.
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  - You're a cat.
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  - I feel like a jackal is kind of halfway between a fox and a coyote.
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  - I like that.
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  - Similar.
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  Okay, so I'm going to send you some pictures.
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  I'm going to air drop you some photos of the property.
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  And then we're going to discuss, talk about
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  what it looks like and all of that.
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  So as you can see,
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  in this photo, it is in a neighborhood.
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  - It appears to be.
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  - There are houses literally right next to the property.
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  So they're really close.
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  It's not like super secluded.
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  The property itself is private property.
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  And it's all gated off of that.
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  Part is secluded,
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  but it's not like in a specifically secluded area.
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  It's in like a neighborhood.
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  - I mean a neighborhood for Damascus.
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  - Yeah, exactly.
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  You just have to be there.
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  - Yeah, it's big properties.
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  It's not really close homes or anything.
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  But there's homes, there's civilization.
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  So when you're pulling in,
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  it's kind of like the opening to their long driveway
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  is kind of like a cul-de-sac or like a turnaround.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It's not technically cul-de-sac because there's not like other houses on it.
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  - Right.
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  It's just kind of like--
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  - Yeah, but I mean circular in shape.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It's like the opening to their driveway.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So on either side of this opening to the cul-de-sac
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  circular turnaround, do Hickey,
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  there are two pyramids.
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  - Yes, I see those.
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  - They look kind of like, I don't know.
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  Maybe like boob height to us, maybe?
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  Maybe a little shorter.
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  They don't look, depends on who we're talking about.
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  - Right.
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  - But us.
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  Like probably if I go back to back with that pyramid,
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  do you think it would be like your height?
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  - It's hard to say without much for scale.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I'm gonna guess, it might be
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  add or, you know, give or take.
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  - Like a dick.
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  - Like a dick.
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  - They're not particularly big.
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  They're not huge and they're not tiny.
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  They're like--
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  - Listen, you can't talk like that when I just said dick.
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  - I know.
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  I was hearing it as it was coming out of my mouth.
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  - But anyway, there's two pyramids and they have,
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  they used to have fire on top.
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  I don't know if you can zoom in.
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  You can see like little torches on the top.
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  I don't think it's running anymore.
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  - Yeah, no, I think actually that's one thing
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  that previously when I looked at this,
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  the pyrotectnics of it all,
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  that's like the one thing that I heard is like,
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  oh yeah, no, they shot that down.
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  - Which is, I mean, understandable.
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  - It's a bummer.
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  - Once we start getting into this property.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So as you're going into past the pyramids,
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  they have kind of a wall, like a stone wall.
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  It's very mossy.
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  There's a lot of ferns, green foliage, it's party.
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  And then there is a big archway gate entrance.
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  - That, it is.
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  - It's very big, it looks like.
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  It's got two lion statues on either side of it.
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  So basically it's like my calling card.
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  - Right.
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  - I know I wrote that later somewhere in here,
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  not those specific words, but we'll get to it.
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  - Trusting.
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  - And then the archway itself, it looks like it's also made
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  from stone, but it's like black.
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  I'm not sure if it's painted or if just the stone itself
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  is like a black stone.
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  I'm not pretty sure.
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  - There is sort of like a, it's almost like an ombre effect.
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  When you look at, it's like darkens the further back you go.
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  - That is true.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, 'cause the stone that makes up like the wall
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  and stuff that the lion sit on,
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  it looks normal like gray stone.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And then once you get to this big archway, it's black.
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  And then on the top of the archway is that same kind of like
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  black stone, it's like a circular circle.
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  - Yeah, almost like a medallion.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - It kind of looks like a medallion on top.
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  And then on this circle, that's on top of the archway.
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  - Medallion, madame.
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  - Circle, medallion, whatever.
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  It kind of looks like a family crest almost.
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  It's got like another lion up on its branches,
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  on its own, you call it, like roaring up.
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  - He's like standard up, he's on two legs.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And then on the other side, there is a dragon figure
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  doing the same thing.
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  And in the middle, it literally looks like another lion.
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  - A lion.
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  - Like a kind of like a sun.
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  It's another circle medallion shape.
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  - I mean, also I'm like, oh, I'm going crazy.
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  - Yeah.
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  And I'm like, maybe there's just so much a Leo's living here.
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  There's so many lions.
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  - Giving like very intense Leo energy like.
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  - So these, the lion, this dragon figure,
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  it has like wings and a tail and.
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  - Also, I'm here with the dragon.
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  - Oh, this is all about Caitlyn.
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  - You guys.
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  - No, so these things are, they're like copper
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  and golden color.
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  And then on top of it, it's hard to see,
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  but there's something else.
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  On top of the lion's sun medallion is a crown.
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  But that's black.
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  So it's harder to see.
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  - You're so right.
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  - If this is a Leo, I mean, this is very Leo vibes.
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  Like put a lion on, I put a crown on it.
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  - Y'all's playing.
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  (laughing)
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  - Wow.
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  - So I was curious if this was like,
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  if this meant anything.
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  So I zoomed in on it and like Google photo,
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  what's that called?
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  Photo search set.
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  - Image search.
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  - Google image search.
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  - Image search.
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  - That's what I'm trying to say.
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  - So Google image search set.
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  And it does come up with like coat of arms,
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  not nothing specifically.
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  That's this specific type.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - But just like the lion figure itself,
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  I just learned a lot about heraldry
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  that I just didn't even know I needed to know.
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  - Say again about heraldry.
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  - Okay.
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  - It's like the art of coat of arms.
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  - Okay, okay.
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  - Of like the family crest type deleos.
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  - Yeah, okay.
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  - And a family crest is actually part of a coat of arms.
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  - Oh.
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  - I know a lot.
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  I didn't really like it.
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  It's not, it's not.
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  - It's interesting though.
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  - It is interesting.
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  I went down a weird rabbit hole, but I like it.
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  - Yeah, I don't need to take you guys down there with me.
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  - I mean, whatever.
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  - But it does kind of seem like they just took like images
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  and like maybe made their own.
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  I didn't find anything that this specifically meant anything,
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  but it could.
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  - Tristan.
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  - I don't know.
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  But I tried Google in it.
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  I tried.
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  Also the two lion statues, those are no longer there.
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  - What?
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  - Because dicks, vandalizing.
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  - Oh, no.
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  - One of them got stolen.
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  Yeah, so they're unfortunately no longer there.
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  And that's really sad to me, because I'm like,
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  those are like the gate protectors, you know?
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  - Yeah.
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  I was just thinking to myself, which would be more difficult.
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  Stealing a stone lion or a real live lion.
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  - I, I don't know, man.
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  And these are like, they're like made of like brass
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  or some kind of metal too.
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  - They're quite sizable, so no small feet.
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  - Ridiculous.
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  And I think one of them like someone just like push it down.
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  They're probably like kids, stupid dumb kids.
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  - You guys again, dick road, don't be a dick.
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  I know, you know?
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  - The gates are like iron or something.
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  It's like a pretty pattern iron.
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  You can see through it.
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  So when you look through, you can see down the road
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  and the road starts to curve.
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  And at the, at the curve in the road, at the bend in the road,
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  there is an Egyptian statue.
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  I was like, what is this?
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  'Cause the picture that I have, I can't really,
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  I was like, it's a statue.
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  - Okay, now I'm sending you the zoomed-in photo.
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  - Yay!
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  - Okay, so this is, a lot of people would assume, Anubis
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  because the place is known as Oculus and Anubis, right?
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  This is very clearly not a new bus.
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  This is, oh, obviously.
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  - Very clearly.
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  Because I have done the research.
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  Well, actually I do know what Anubis looks like.
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  And I was like, just looking at it,
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  I can tell this has like a lion face and Anubis.
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  Like we talked about is a jackal.
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  So I was like, well, this doesn't really look like him.
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  - No, that makes sense.
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  - Okay.
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  - But a lot of people do say that,
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  that's who that is in the statue, but it's not.
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  It's the Egyptian goddess, Sekhmet.
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  - Okay, Sekhmet has a woman's body
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  and the head of a lioness with a halo-esque sun disk
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  on her head.
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  - Okay, I'm glad you explained that.
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  - Because I was like, that's a hat.
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  - Yeah, no, it's the sun representative of the sun.
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  - All right.
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  - And that kind of makes sense
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  because she was created from the fire of the sun God, Ra.
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  - Ever heard of them?
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  - No. - Not familiar.
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  - Nope.
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  See, done anything lately?
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  - Not lately, I don't think.
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  - Haven't seen him at the box office.
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  - Don't smite me Ra.
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  - I don't know if he does that or not.
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  - I feel like that's a uniquely Judeo-Christian
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  type of a vibe.
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  - I don't know.
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  - Ancient Egypt gods are not super nice
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  and we're gonna go into it right about now.
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  - Excellent.
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  - So she's also known as the Eye of Ra,
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  which is a very powerful symbol of fury and violence,
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  but also of protection and healing.
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  - Okay.
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  - So two sides to that coin.
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  - Oh yeah, for sure.
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  - All right.
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  - Just like Sekhmet, who is known
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  as the Goddess of War and Healing.
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  - Okay.
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  - All right.
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  Listen, people can be complicated.
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  - Very complicated.
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  - I get that.
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  - Especially gods and goddesses, you know?
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  They got a lot going on, okay?
• 17:23
  - I mean, situations are nuanced and it's a lot.
• 17:28
  - She was also the patron deity of physicians and healers.
• 17:32
  - Oh.
• 17:33
  - So that is for what a pain in that
• 17:36
  as Caitlyn would like to say.
• 17:38
  - I don't like to say that at all.
• 17:42
  - You say it every episode.
• 17:44
  - I mean, but I don't like that I do.
• 17:48
  - I love it.
• 17:49
  - If it makes anyone feel better,
• 17:50
  I don't like that that's what I say.
• 17:53
  - But here we are.
• 17:54
  - I love it.
• 17:55
  And then I also love when you add it
• 17:56
  and it's just like so automatic,
• 17:58
  but you're like, wait,
• 17:59
  you don't need to pin that
• 18:00
  'cause I'm talking to you about it right now.
• 18:02
  - I know.
• 18:03
  - No pins.
• 18:04
  - That's come up a few times.
• 18:05
  - That's my favorite thing.
• 18:07
  - Take your pin out.
• 18:10
  - There it is.
• 18:10
  - Here it is.
• 18:12
  - So why does everyone think that this entrance
• 18:16
  to this property looks so evil and even satanic?
• 18:19
  People think it's like evil and satanic.
• 18:22
  - All right.
• 18:23
  - 'Cause there's stuck in the 90s and I guess,
• 18:27
  I guess I missed the memo of like when Egypt
• 18:30
  became like evil and satanic, like Egyptian imagery.
• 18:35
  - I guess I missed the memo where I'm supposed
• 18:37
  to panic about satanism.
• 18:39
  - Right, also.
• 18:39
  - I know, what is the satanic panic?
• 18:42
  It's all weird to me and I don't understand it.
• 18:44
  - Yeah.
• 18:45
  - Also pyramids, like why are those bad?
• 18:48
  - Not really sure.
• 18:49
  They're on our money.
• 18:51
  - Yeah.
• 18:52
  - I literally brought a dollar bill out
• 18:53
  because there's a pyramid on it with an eyeball on top.
• 18:57
  - Yeah.
• 18:58
  - I mean,
• 18:59
  - Oculus.
• 19:00
  - What is it,
• 19:00
  E pluribus unum
• 19:05
  - I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
• 19:06
  - Well, language is that.
• 19:07
  - It's Latin.
• 19:08
  - No.
• 19:09
  - I should know, I know Oculus.
• 19:11
  - Yeah.
• 19:12
  - So I feel like eyes are like a strong theme
• 19:18
  in Egyptian culture to it kind of feels like.
• 19:21
  - I think so.
• 19:22
  - Yeah.
• 19:23
  - What do you mean they guess there is kind of another theme here
• 19:26
  that people could consider evil, like fire, death gods,
• 19:31
  anubis, you know, he's a death god.
• 19:34
  People are scared of death as we know.
• 19:36
  So they just label it all evil.
• 19:38
  - Oh, are they?
• 19:39
  - Wow.
• 19:40
  - Yeah.
• 19:41
  - They are a bunch of plebs.
• 19:43
  - I don't know what that means.
• 19:44
  - It's kind of like saying like plebian is like,
• 19:48
  - Oh.
• 19:49
  - Almost like peasant.
• 19:50
  - Oh.
• 19:51
  - Just to put it in like the most, like,
• 19:53
  what a foolish concern.
• 19:56
  - Seriously, like we're all gonna end up there.
• 19:58
  Like,
• 19:59
  why are you gonna be so scared?
• 20:00
  - Yeah.
• 20:01
  - 'Cause it's fucking scary.
• 20:03
  - Well, it's just, it's interesting to me
• 20:06
  that anything to do with like death,
• 20:08
  people like wanna label evil.
• 20:10
  - Yeah.
• 20:11
  - I do think that's like where it becomes sort of a
• 20:14
  misnomer, I guess.
• 20:16
  - Yeah.
• 20:17
  - Like they're not causing the death.
• 20:18
  They're just taking care of the dead.
• 20:20
  Like one day you want someone to take care of you
• 20:21
  when you cross over.
• 20:23
  - Just saying like, if you're gonna die,
• 20:26
  maybe you want that guy in to like,
• 20:29
  everyone will die.
• 20:30
  - Yeah.
• 20:31
  - Was it when I'm trying to say,
• 20:32
  "Boylar alert."
• 20:33
  - Yeah.
• 20:34
  - Just trying to soften the blow, okay?
• 20:36
  - So even like with the black stones,
• 20:38
  I feel like people look at the color black as evil as well.
• 20:43
  - As we all know, black is evil.
• 20:47
  - It's so, it's so infuriating,
• 20:49
  'cause it's like my favorite color.
• 20:50
  It's the best color in the world.
• 20:52
  And it was a very fortunate color for Egyptians,
• 20:55
  because it was the color of the rich soil
• 20:58
  that was left after the Nile would flood.
• 21:01
  - Yeah.
• 21:02
  So to them, it symbolized fertility, new life,
• 21:04
  and resurrection.
• 21:06
  Makes sense.
• 21:07
  - Yeah.
• 21:08
  Very fortunate.
• 21:09
  - Black is a great color.
• 21:10
  - Black and gold also.
• 21:12
  - Yeah.
• 21:13
  - Basically my wedding colors, black, golden blush.
• 21:16
  - You're,
• 21:17
  Oculus Anubis.
• 21:18
  - Basically.
• 21:19
  - Also with Sekhmet being a very powerful woman
• 21:24
  associated with worn violence,
• 21:27
  even sometimes referred to as the mistress of dread,
• 21:31
  the mallor, or the lady of slaughter.
• 21:35
  - Oh my.
• 21:37
  - So I could see how people could turn something like that
• 21:40
  into something evil,
• 21:41
  even though she's also known for healing.
• 21:44
  - Yeah, I mean, to be fair, that does imply,
• 21:47
  I mean, literally the word dread, I feel.
• 21:49
  - Yeah.
• 21:50
  - I could understand that it creates a little bit of a sense
• 21:53
  of foreboding.
• 21:55
  - I mean, just don't be on the herb outside, you know?
• 21:58
  - Yeah, that's right.
• 21:59
  - Do the good things in life.
• 22:00
  That reminds me of like when I discovered that,
• 22:03
  you know, I would be a doom witch,
• 22:04
  I was like,
• 22:05
  - Oh, yeah.
• 22:06
  - Yeah.
• 22:07
  - You know, embrace it.
• 22:09
  - Yes.
• 22:09
  - So I wanna read you this fact from Sekhmet's good side.
• 22:14
  I just, I think it's so much fun,
• 22:16
  and I'm such a cat person,
• 22:17
  so I just have to give you this fun fact.
• 22:20
  From Egyptianmuseum.org.
• 22:23
  - Give it to me.
• 22:24
  - Quote,
• 22:25
  the ancient Egyptians believe that Sekhmet
• 22:27
  had the cure for every problem.
• 22:29
  In order to stand her good side,
• 22:32
  they offered her food and drink,
• 22:34
  played music for her, and burned incense.
• 22:37
  They would whisper their prayers into the ears
• 22:40
  of cat mummies,
• 22:41
  and offer them to Sekhmet.
• 22:43
  They believe that this was a direct connection
• 22:45
  to the deities,
• 22:46
  and their prayers would be answered.
• 22:49
  - That's so cute.
• 22:50
  - They whispered into little kitty mummy ears.
• 22:55
  I am a little bit sad about the cat mummies.
• 23:00
  - I mean, they die,
• 23:01
  and then that preserved.
• 23:03
  - Not always how mummies happen.
• 23:05
  - Well, we can just pretend that the cat's
• 23:06
  all died of natural causes.
• 23:08
  - We're just gonna say that all mummies died of natural causes.
• 23:11
  - All mummies died of natural causes.
• 23:14
  And they were preserved very beautifully.
• 23:16
  - Yes.
• 23:18
  - We obviously, we know there's some history there,
• 23:20
  but we're not here to go into all that.
• 23:23
  - Yeah.
• 23:24
  - So she can breathe flames down upon you,
• 23:27
  but if you feed her and give her some music,
• 23:32
  some nice atmosphere,
• 23:33
  she can solve all your problems.
• 23:35
  - Cassie,
• 23:36
  - What?
• 23:37
  - Like a dragon and a lion.
• 23:39
  - Yes.
• 23:40
  - It's like cat-like,
• 23:41
  and then like very mother of dragons.
• 23:44
  - Well, I was like, I feel like this is how all women should be.
• 23:47
  Oh, are we not all?
• 23:50
  - Kind of.
• 23:51
  (laughing)
• 23:52
  - Just give us food and you'll be fine.
• 23:55
  - Feed me tacos and tell me that I'm pretty.
• 23:58
  Or fried chicken.
• 23:59
  - Yeah, fried chicken chicken.
• 24:01
  - There's also another interesting rumor
• 24:04
  about the property,
• 24:05
  and I don't really think if anyone knows if they're actually built,
• 24:10
  but the property does have permits
• 24:14
  for heated underground tunnels.
• 24:16
  - Ooh.
• 24:17
  - Yeah.
• 24:19
  - So that's interesting and people's like,
• 24:22
  minds just go wild with all of this.
• 24:26
  Like why are there underground tunnels?
• 24:29
  What are they doing down there?
• 24:31
  And I think because it's the property is so secretive,
• 24:34
  people aren't really allowed to go on there
• 24:36
  because it's private property.
• 24:38
  - Private property.
• 24:39
  - And because like the gate,
• 24:41
  the statues are visible.
• 24:43
  - It's very intense. - Very intense.
• 24:44
  - So unique and intense.
• 24:46
  And honestly, it's like stunning.
• 24:49
  - I would love to have a gate like this.
• 24:51
  - Hell yeah.
• 24:52
  - It's so unfortunate that people make up all these crazy stories
• 24:56
  about it.
• 24:57
  - I know.
• 24:58
  - 'Cause it's just such an easy target.
• 25:00
  - It's kind of low hanging fruit,
• 25:03
  but like, I don't know, try harder at life.
• 25:05
  You know?
• 25:06
  - Well.
• 25:07
  - The rumors were fueled by, can you guess it?
• 25:11
  - Dicks.
• 25:12
  - Reddit.
• 25:13
  - Close. - Close.
• 25:14
  (laughs)
• 25:16
  - Yeah, it's different but same same.
• 25:18
  You know?
• 25:19
  - So there is a Reddit post saying that this person drove
• 25:22
  down the driveway to the house.
• 25:24
  - Okay.
• 25:25
  - And said that when they rolled up to the house,
• 25:29
  all the windows were open.
• 25:30
  Like all the blinds were open, all the lights were on.
• 25:33
  And there was just a bunch of people standing in the windows
• 25:37
  staring back at them.
• 25:39
  - Oh, okay.
• 25:40
  Yeah.
• 25:41
  So now I am starting to get a little bit of an evil fight.
• 25:45
  - Right.
• 25:45
  - Because that's the nightmare fuel.
• 25:47
  - Does sound like, it's very creepy
• 25:49
  and they said that they were like pretty much standing still
• 25:51
  for like a long time just staring at their car.
• 25:54
  - That's horrific.
• 25:55
  It's the worst flash mob in history.
• 25:58
  - Just like a, oh my God, like a silent still flash mob.
• 26:02
  - Well, that's how they are before they do the dance, you know?
• 26:06
  They are all like, a lot of times.
• 26:09
  - Like, are milling about and then start.
• 26:12
  But can you imagine if people are just milling about
• 26:15
  and then everyone all this ends to stops?
• 26:18
  Like, would you think that's like a really good prank, honestly?
• 26:21
  I kind of, I want someone to do that to me.
• 26:24
  - I hate that.
• 26:25
  I hate that so much.
• 26:27
  Don't you fucking dare.
• 26:29
  - I would be like the world is frozen.
• 26:30
  I can go rob a bank.
• 26:32
  - Oh, okay.
• 26:33
  Well, you know, we might have a thing or two to say about that.
• 26:37
  Okay.
• 26:38
  So here we are.
• 26:39
  We're at our first official scoot.
• 26:41
  - Oh, well, I might bring you down though.
• 26:44
  - Well, it's a half-scoot technically.
• 26:46
  I did say you could get one good at least one.
• 26:49
  - Yeah, for sure.
• 26:50
  - Okay.
• 26:51
  People also say that they, if they do venture on to the property,
• 26:54
  they get chased out by like either cars or other people.
• 27:00
  They just, you know, people come and find them
• 27:02
  and chase them off the property.
• 27:04
  - But not rabbid bears.
• 27:06
  - I guess not.
• 27:07
  Okay, rabbid bears.
• 27:09
  So not that I know.
• 27:10
  That's good.
• 27:11
  But I'm like, it's private property.
• 27:15
  It might seem normal for people to be chased off private property
• 27:20
  that they're on without the owner's permission.
• 27:25
  So I don't know.
• 27:26
  I don't feel like that matters.
• 27:29
  Probably not as sinister as it sounds.
• 27:31
  - Exactly.
• 27:32
  - Yeah.
• 27:33
  - Okay.
• 27:33
  And two, I was thinking if the story is true
• 27:36
  about the people in the windows,
• 27:37
  which it was on Reddit, on a known creepy pasta-esque.
• 27:42
  - Okay.
• 27:44
  - So Reddit, whatever it's called, I don't even know.
• 27:47
  - I've come to understand that everything
• 27:49
  that is posted on Reddit is, of course, based in fact.
• 27:54
  - So factual.
• 27:56
  - Yeah.
• 27:57
  - Yeah.
• 27:58
  - So everyone's fact checking everyone
• 28:00
  and everything is fine.
• 28:01
  - Yeah.
• 28:02
  So I mean, this is like a real red string conspiracy theory
• 28:06
  territory, but yeah.
• 28:07
  - Please go on.
• 28:08
  - I am going on.
• 28:09
  - Okay.
• 28:10
  - My thought was maybe they were having a big party.
• 28:14
  - And everyone knew that everyone was at the party
• 28:17
  and there was no other arrivals.
• 28:19
  So they see this car coming down the private dark driveway.
• 28:24
  What are you gonna do if you're not expecting someone
• 28:27
  who's coming in a car?
• 28:28
  You're gonna look out the fucking windows, right?
• 28:31
  - True.
• 28:31
  - True.
• 28:32
  Or what if, what if something else happened
• 28:36
  where all of a sudden everybody wants to like,
• 28:38
  you're just like you heard a weird sound
• 28:41
  and one person goes,
• 28:43
  right, you're all listening.
• 28:46
  I imagine if that was true, something like that probably.
• 28:51
  - And I feel yeah.
• 28:52
  - Yeah.
• 28:52
  - Okay.
• 28:53
  - And honestly, if you're on my private property,
• 28:55
  I might try to be creepy and stare you down
• 28:57
  from my window too.
• 28:58
  - All right.
• 28:59
  Get the fuck out of here.
• 29:00
  I'm at a party.
• 29:01
  I don't wanna chase you.
• 29:02
  - I might just stare you down if you come into my space
• 29:07
  at any particular time.
• 29:08
  Like, you know, private property or not.
• 29:11
  Like, seriously.
• 29:12
  Get out.
• 29:13
  - Totally.
• 29:14
  Leave everyone alone.
• 29:15
  There's also a rumor,
• 29:18
  but the gate is unlocked on Halloween Eve.
• 29:22
  - Ooh.
• 29:23
  - Which is very spooky,
• 29:25
  but I'm like, are they trying to just like pass out candies?
• 29:28
  - Halloween Eve.
• 29:29
  - Halloween Eve.
• 29:30
  - Halloween Eve.
• 29:31
  - Does that mean the eve of like Halloween night
• 29:34
  are like the day before?
• 29:35
  - That's like October 4th, I feel like.
• 29:37
  - Do they mean like,
• 29:37
  - I'm interpreting that as the day that I was conceived.
• 29:39
  - Right.
• 29:41
  Oh.
• 29:42
  - Why are you thinking about that?
• 29:44
  - Because my due date was July 30th,
• 29:47
  and I was born on the 29th,
• 29:48
  and I feel like, I don't know,
• 29:50
  part of me is feeling like it's calling from here.
• 29:53
  It's private property, so, you know,
• 29:56
  not gonna do anything about it, but like.
• 29:59
  - Yeah, 'cause like typically we think of like Christmas Eve
• 30:02
  as like the day before.
• 30:03
  So yeah.
• 30:04
  - Yeah.
• 30:04
  - That's interesting.
• 30:05
  Like why would it be unlocked?
• 30:08
  Obviously this is a rumor too.
• 30:09
  I don't know for sure.
• 30:12
  Someone did say that they went,
• 30:14
  and they were able to get in on Halloween Eve,
• 30:16
  but they didn't go too far, they got scared and laughed.
• 30:19
  (laughing)
• 30:20
  You know, that happens.
• 30:22
  - I'm too much of a chicken gin.
• 30:24
  I'm not suggesting that I'm going to go.
• 30:26
  - Yeah, I think everyone should be clear on that.
• 30:28
  - No, but if they were like passing out candy
• 30:30
  or something like totally I would go.
• 30:32
  - Oh, I wonder if that's like maybe they're really
• 30:35
  into Halloween, and they're like anybody who dames
• 30:39
  to like come down.
• 30:41
  - The day before?
• 30:43
  - Well, they unlock it the day before
• 30:45
  so that it's good and ready, and it probably takes you
• 30:48
  until the 31st, walk your way down to the front door.
• 30:52
  - Or do they want to trap all of that?
• 30:54
  - That's what I was thinking.
• 30:55
  - Children who try to come in the gate on Halloween Eve.
• 31:00
  (laughing)
• 31:02
  - Part of me thinks too, like what if this is a typo
• 31:04
  and someone wrote like all Hallows Eve,
• 31:07
  and they changed it to like Halloween Eve?
• 31:09
  - I don't know.
• 31:10
  - That would be interesting.
• 31:12
  - I'm thinking too hard about this.
• 31:14
  - I don't think you can ever think too hard about anything.
• 31:18
  - You're using my hat rack here.
• 31:20
  - That's right.
• 31:21
  - I did joke about like trapping the children,
• 31:23
  but people do accuse them of being human traffickers.
• 31:28
  - Oh, I did see this.
• 31:29
  - Yeah, because of like the tunnels and things.
• 31:32
  - But very Shanghai.
• 31:33
  - There's really no people say there was like smoke
• 31:38
  and like other buildings like coming from the property
• 31:41
  that we're shady looking, but those aren't pictures
• 31:44
  of this property.
• 31:45
  They're like completely something that somebody made up.
• 31:48
  - Okay.
• 31:49
  - Also, how does one go about becoming or appearing
• 31:54
  as a shady building?
• 31:58
  - They were just like spooky looking.
• 32:01
  - I didn't take the photo.
• 32:03
  I didn't get it.
• 32:04
  - 'Cause they're like, they're obviously not real.
• 32:06
  - Yeah, it was just like a weird set of like domed buildings,
• 32:09
  like little buildings and I don't even know
• 32:12
  where the photo came from.
• 32:14
  - It just--
• 32:14
  - And domes obviously infamously shady.
• 32:17
  - Evil and shady.
• 32:18
  They're hiding people in there.
• 32:20
  - Listeners of the pod, but infamously shady.
• 32:23
  - I think it mostly comes from the tunnels.
• 32:25
  - Okay.
• 32:26
  - The fact that there's tunnels and then there is some people
• 32:28
  who have gone onto the property and I think
• 32:32
  they're photos of the property.
• 32:33
  I can't really quite be sure.
• 32:36
  - Yeah, you're like, I haven't been there.
• 32:37
  So it's kind of hard to fact check.
• 32:39
  - Who knows?
• 32:40
  I mean, it's like so many trees and things.
• 32:42
  It could be of anywhere, really.
• 32:44
  But I did link to it if anyone's really curious.
• 32:46
  You can go through and look in my links for things.
• 32:49
  But so people have gone onto the property
• 32:51
  and there's some other like statues.
• 32:53
  I think I saw like a statue of raw that was,
• 32:56
  he's got like a bird face, which does make sense
• 32:59
  'cause he's related to segment, right?
• 33:02
  - Yeah.
• 33:03
  - It's unfortunate as faces go.
• 33:05
  - Bird face.
• 33:06
  - Bird face.
• 33:07
  He's like in a cage.
• 33:09
  Like it's not like set up.
• 33:11
  He's like still in his like enclosure.
• 33:13
  I don't know from like when they transferred the statue.
• 33:16
  I'm thinking.
• 33:17
  - Interesting.
• 33:18
  - And then there's like some statues of like water
• 33:21
  in the base and people say like,
• 33:22
  oh look, you can see stairs leading down
• 33:25
  and I'm like, I can't see anything.
• 33:28
  I feel like you can.
• 33:29
  Is that is that so?
• 33:31
  - Yeah.
• 33:32
  - Okay.
• 33:33
  - Even if there were like, I don't know.
• 33:35
  That's kind of cool.
• 33:37
  - Yeah.
• 33:37
  - It looked and.
• 33:38
  - And.
• 33:40
  - And.
• 33:41
  - Yeah.
• 33:41
  - But they think they like lead down to the tunnels
• 33:43
  and shit.
• 33:44
  And then there's also this one photo of,
• 33:45
  it looks like a bunch of like boulders and rocks
• 33:48
  but the rock it looks like a flat like doorway almost.
• 33:52
  - Ooh.
• 33:53
  - There's like, it doesn't look like there's really
• 33:56
  any way to open it or anything.
• 33:57
  I don't know if it's actually a doorway
• 33:59
  or if that's just like what it looked like
• 34:01
  when they were doing their landscaping.
• 34:04
  I really don't know.
• 34:05
  - Yeah.
• 34:06
  - So it's like a lot of yes-ending
• 34:08
  to get to the place that some people have.
• 34:12
  - Yeah.
• 34:13
  - Yeah.
• 34:14
  They're working themselves up.
• 34:14
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 34:15
  Cause I'm like, you can see these things individually.
• 34:18
  You don't know what they were intended for.
• 34:20
  - Yeah.
• 34:21
  - That you could just make it fit whatever
• 34:23
  - Human trafficking rumor that you would like.
• 34:26
  - Yeah.
• 34:27
  Maybe they're not trafficking people.
• 34:29
  Maybe they're trafficking drugs.
• 34:31
  - Maybe.
• 34:31
  - There you go.
• 34:32
  Let's start a new rumor.
• 34:33
  - Anything.
• 34:34
  - Don't start any rumor.
• 34:36
  - I'm just saying it goes to sort of what you're saying about.
• 34:40
  You don't know what the intent is.
• 34:42
  - Right.
• 34:43
  - Right.
• 34:44
  - But also I'm like, wait, who hasn't said,
• 34:48
  I know we have.
• 34:49
  Like we would love to get a property
• 34:51
  and build houses on it and then have them connect
• 34:54
  through tunnels.
• 34:55
  That would be pretty cool.
• 34:57
  - And have secret rooms and stuff.
• 34:59
  Can you imagine all the evil rumors
• 35:00
  they're gonna have about us?
• 35:04
  - It's across I'm willing to bear.
• 35:06
  - Believe it or not.
• 35:07
  - Just don't vandalize my shit.
• 35:09
  - Okay.
• 35:09
  - No.
• 35:10
  I mean, we'll have electric fences.
• 35:11
  So that won't be a problem.
• 35:13
  - Buzz buzz, buzz buzz.
• 35:15
  - Oh, they do say that they have like cameras
• 35:16
  all around the property.
• 35:17
  So I don't know if I've mentioned.
• 35:18
  - So it's gonna say that.
• 35:19
  - Did I talk about that?
• 35:20
  - No.
• 35:21
  - Did I think that makes sense?
• 35:23
  - Yeah.
• 35:24
  People have said they've seen them like in the pyramids
• 35:26
  at the front and like in the trees and stuff.
• 35:29
  - Did they see that thing where it's like in Jason Bourne
• 35:32
  or other, I don't know, whatever fucking movie
• 35:35
  where like the camera like it turns its, you know?
• 35:38
  Like it turns its head like it's falling you.
• 35:40
  - I don't know.
• 35:41
  - 'Cause the creep factor of that.
• 35:43
  - Yeah.
• 35:44
  - I'm with that.
• 35:45
  - Like that.
• 35:46
  - And people say when they just like come to the entrance too,
• 35:49
  they'll like be there for a couple minutes taking photos
• 35:52
  and then all of a sudden someone will like drive up
• 35:54
  or come up and like tell them to leave.
• 35:56
  Like, bye.
• 35:57
  - Yeah.
• 35:58
  Like basically chasing them off just less dramatic.
• 36:00
  - Yeah.
• 36:01
  - They're chasing them off, but you know,
• 36:03
  from behind gate and asking politely.
• 36:06
  - Yeah, there was various stories about the chasing off.
• 36:09
  You know, there was dramatic ones,
• 36:10
  there was less dramatic ones, but it's a theme for sure.
• 36:14
  So they could be watching you, just be prepared.
• 36:18
  Don't go there, but.
• 36:19
  - Well, you know, if you do,
• 36:20
  if you're probably watching you.
• 36:22
  - Mm.
• 36:23
  - You know,
• 36:25
  - Fogger.
• 36:27
  - Makes so much sense later.
• 36:29
  (laughs)
• 36:32
  - People also accuse them of being a cult.
• 36:34
  - I mean, I see how they get there, maybe.
• 36:38
  - I don't know.
• 36:39
  - Big property,
• 36:40
  multiple houses being built on the property.
• 36:43
  - Tumor.
• 36:44
  - I know, I sounded really giggly.
• 36:45
  - Oh, giggly.
• 36:46
  - When I saw that, sorry.
• 36:47
  - Right.
• 36:48
  - Yeah, tunnels.
• 36:49
  All this Egyptian stuff, it's a thing.
• 36:52
  It's another one of those rumors that just,
• 36:55
  I feel like snowballs.
• 36:57
  In general, I do think that when white people co-opt a,
• 37:02
  you know, culture or religion that is foreign to them,
• 37:06
  that does feel very colty.
• 37:08
  So I get that, you know.
• 37:10
  - Like if you're not familiar with it.
• 37:12
  - Yeah.
• 37:13
  - You're just like, I made this up.
• 37:15
  - There was one, oh my God, this is so bad.
• 37:18
  There was one podcast I was listening to,
• 37:20
  and I,
• 37:21
  - Not gonna name it.
• 37:22
  - And I didn't link it.
• 37:23
  - But you'll tell me later, right?
• 37:24
  - I don't know if I ever-
• 37:25
  - She's like, I don't even fucking care about them.
• 37:27
  - Yeah, I can probably try to find it real quick,
• 37:29
  but they said, "The entire town of Damascus
• 37:34
  was involved in the cult."
• 37:36
  - No.
• 37:39
  - That seems like something.
• 37:41
  - Yeah, like probably you don't have two nickels
• 37:44
  to rub together, I'm guessing.
• 37:46
  But that seems like, you know,
• 37:48
  you might wanna be a little bit more careful
• 37:50
  about the things that you say
• 37:51
  because people can sue you.
• 37:53
  - Yeah.
• 37:54
  - For words to come out of your wordful.
• 37:56
  - Right.
• 37:57
  - I just thought that was like a crazy,
• 37:58
  the craziest, one of the craziest statements I'd ever heard,
• 38:01
  like trying to be a razor.
• 38:03
  - They just like, they have like a new initiative
• 38:07
  on their next ballot.
• 38:09
  - Oh, right.
• 38:10
  - And they're like, we want to basically take like,
• 38:12
  X percent of our city's revenue,
• 38:16
  and we wanna use it to sue the living shit
• 38:19
  out of these ridiculous podcast.
• 38:21
  - Yeah.
• 38:22
  - Not us, not other ones.
• 38:23
  - Yeah, hopefully you listen
• 38:25
  because like I'm trying to clear this shit up, okay?
• 38:28
  I'm trying to be one of the good guys.
• 38:30
  - That's just wild though.
• 38:31
  - Yeah, the entire toll of Damascus is in this cult.
• 38:35
  Because of this one house that has a cool fancy gate,
• 38:38
  like it's crazy.
• 38:41
  - Listen, I don't know, maybe that's accurate.
• 38:45
  Seems like a little bit of a reach to me.
• 38:48
  I'd like to see some receipts.
• 38:49
  - Yeah.
• 38:50
  - I mean, I feel like also people just kinda like poop
• 38:52
  on the town because it is one of the towns
• 38:54
  and Oregon that is not blue.
• 38:57
  It's one of the red sections of Oregon.
• 39:01
  But they don't deserve to be accused of being an occult
• 39:04
  and unless they aren't.
• 39:06
  - They're actually doing bad things.
• 39:07
  - Yeah.
• 39:08
  - Are you doing bad things?
• 39:10
  - Are you actually a cult?
• 39:11
  - Yeah.
• 39:12
  - I think they're probably fine.
• 39:13
  - Yeah.
• 39:15
  - There is another reason though
• 39:16
  that people think that there's some sort of cult involved.
• 39:21
  This is getting crazy, okay?
• 39:23
  - This is where the juicy, the juicy's are.
• 39:27
  - The juicy juices.
• 39:28
  - This is where the juicy's are.
• 39:29
  - It's where the juicy juices.
• 39:31
  That's where I wanna be.
• 39:32
  - Juicy fruit.
• 39:34
  - There is a website, OculusInubis.com.
• 39:37
  - Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 39:39
  - The quote on the, I think this is on like the first page
• 39:43
  of the website.
• 39:45
  It says, "As a 501(c)(3) non-profit religious organization."
• 39:50
  - Did notice that?
• 39:52
  - Yeah.
• 39:53
  - We are committed to our goal of reclaiming
• 39:55
  and preserving our sacred spaces.
• 39:58
  Sustainably establishing a center focused on spiritual healing
• 40:03
  while actively combating trafficking,
• 40:06
  standing against racism involving the land.
• 40:09
  Does that make any sense to anybody?
• 40:13
  - I think I've latched on to some part of that
• 40:20
  that I vaguely might have an idea of what they're saying.
• 40:25
  Unfortunately, they have gone about saying it in a,
• 40:34
  it's a Caesar word salad.
• 40:37
  - It is very word salad-y.
• 40:38
  - Like, yeah.
• 40:40
  - And very interesting too that they mentioned trafficking
• 40:44
  'cause that's like one of the rumors.
• 40:46
  So that's very interesting.
• 40:47
  - I feel like that's where that comes from.
• 40:48
  - It might.
• 40:49
  - So they're like, you know what they say there are against,
• 40:53
  but they're not.
• 40:54
  - Well, I hope not.
• 40:56
  Like that's a really actually scary thing.
• 40:58
  - It is, but I think that's where that comes from.
• 41:01
  I think that's how the rumor starts.
• 41:02
  'Cause they're like, "Oh, did you see that?"
• 41:04
  - Oh, you know what I'm saying?
• 41:05
  - I don't know 'cause this, I don't know what was first,
• 41:09
  the rumors of the website.
• 41:10
  You know, I feel like the website came after.
• 41:12
  - Maybe.
• 41:14
  Okay.
• 41:14
  Okay.
• 41:15
  - And I'm sure I could go to the website and see the year.
• 41:18
  I have a lot more from the website though.
• 41:19
  We're gonna.
• 41:20
  - Sluet it.
• 41:21
  - We're gonna get into it.
• 41:23
  Does the websites have the year like at the bottom
• 41:25
  of their name?
• 41:26
  - Sometimes that's not like a standard thing anymore.
• 41:29
  - Like 2024.
• 41:30
  So like copyrighted in 2024.
• 41:32
  So.
• 41:33
  - Which that would change I think annually.
• 41:35
  - Yeah.
• 41:36
  - I think that just indicates like the most recent.
• 41:38
  - Not when it was made.
• 41:39
  - Yeah.
• 41:40
  - Well, okay.
• 41:42
  So there's more on this site.
• 41:43
  They have a press tab.
• 41:46
  And under the press tab is a post titled Community Healing
• 41:51
  that says,
• 41:53
  quote, "Oculus and Nubis is a religious non-profit."
• 41:58
  I stumbled over the first and then really fucked up
• 42:00
  the second.
• 42:01
  - Yeah, because it feels ridiculous what you're saying.
• 42:03
  - Yeah, I understand.
• 42:04
  - And there's gonna be a lot of reading
• 42:05
  because it's just so ridiculous that I couldn't like
• 42:08
  something like I can't.
• 42:09
  - You just like have to hear it.
• 42:10
  - There is no Cliff Notes version.
• 42:12
  There are only direct quotes.
• 42:13
  It's odd.
• 42:14
  - Yeah.
• 42:15
  - Okay.
• 42:16
  - Quote, "Oculus and Nubis is a religious non-profit
• 42:20
  that is guided by healing, compassion and inclusivity
• 42:23
  as we embark on our journey to acquire
• 42:25
  the future church property at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
• 42:29
  in Damascus, Oregon.
• 42:31
  We want to address any misconceptions or concerns
• 42:34
  that may have surfaced due to the history mentioned
• 42:38
  in the blog post on articlecats.com.
• 42:42
  Titled,
• 42:43
  "The Myth of Oculus and Nubis
• 42:45
  how do you accuse your neighbor of running a cult?"
• 42:48
  - Oh my God, I'm so excited.
• 42:51
  I feel like this has a very similar vibe
• 42:53
  to Nancy Brophy writing a blog post
• 42:57
  about how to kill your husband and get away with it.
• 43:00
  You know?
• 43:01
  Yay, I'm so excited for me.
• 43:04
  - So I just thought this was really weird.
• 43:09
  The way that they write about this article,
• 43:11
  which is again titled,
• 43:13
  "The Myth of Oculus and Nubis."
• 43:15
  It sounds like this article created a bunch of these rumors.
• 43:20
  It's what they make it sound like.
• 43:22
  - Okay, okay.
• 43:23
  - But I read the article and it debunks
• 43:25
  all of the common rumors and myths
• 43:28
  and like alleged photos of the property.
• 43:30
  That's where I found out that those photos
• 43:32
  that people were like circulating were not from the property.
• 43:35
  - Okay.
• 43:37
  - And it basically says the stories being spread
• 43:40
  about this place are just because it has a unique look
• 43:44
  in the site, like, "Bashe is this article,"
• 43:47
  which is so weird to me.
• 43:49
  - They're like, "We don't need your help."
• 43:52
  - It's very odd.
• 43:54
  - I was literally so confused and I feel like
• 43:56
  I just have to like read this to you.
• 43:59
  - Okay.
• 43:59
  - Because I couldn't, I just have to read it.
• 44:02
  - There's no Clif Notes only quotes.
• 44:04
  So they pulled this quote from the Mythbusters article.
• 44:09
  - It's not Mythbusters, but it is.
• 44:11
  (laughing)
• 44:12
  - The article cat.
• 44:13
  - That's the vibe.
• 44:14
  - The article.
• 44:15
  - The vibe.
• 44:16
  - So the quote from article cat says,
• 44:18
  "If you do a Google image search on the Temple
• 44:20
  of Oculus and Ubisoft,
• 44:21
  you have everything you need to support.
• 44:23
  The initial story is being spread,
• 44:25
  a fancy gate, an Egyptian-esque statue,
• 44:28
  strangely looking domes under a pyramid frame.
• 44:30
  So those were like the fake pictures.
• 44:32
  - Okay.
• 44:33
  - And underground corridors.
• 44:34
  And it's talking about these are all the things
• 44:36
  that are rumored.
• 44:37
  - Okay.
• 44:38
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 44:39
  - And it's like,
• 44:40
  "I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:42
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:44
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:47
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:49
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:51
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:53
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:55
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:57
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 44:59
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 45:00
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 45:02
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 45:04
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 45:06
  "and I'm just going to be a little bit more
• 45:07
  and that readers are left with
• 45:09
  is that some eccentric private citizens
• 45:11
  have a fancy gate and a religious statue
• 45:14
  that connects to their heritage,
• 45:15
  beliefs of four spirituality.
• 45:18
  If the gate were adorned
• 45:19
  with more conventional iconography.
• 45:21
  - Yes, of course. - Yes.
• 45:22
  - Would anyone even think twice about it?
• 45:25
  Would websites spread rumors of a cult
• 45:28
  or accuse a family of trafficking then?
• 45:30
  - No.
• 45:32
  - I mean, it's an obvious answer.
• 45:34
  - Yeah.
• 45:35
  - Yeah. - This is their response
• 45:36
  on OculusAnubis.com.
• 45:39
  - This shut up.
• 45:40
  (laughing)
• 45:41
  - This notably incorrect statement
• 45:44
  from this frequently retweeted blog post states
• 45:47
  that there are no underground tunnels
• 45:49
  when there are not only permits
• 45:52
  to confirm this existence, which there are.
• 45:54
  You can see them.
• 45:55
  - Okay, so they're like actually,
• 45:56
  but you're wrong.
• 45:57
  We have tunnels, okay?
• 46:00
  - But we also have multiple online accounts
• 46:02
  from explorers of said tunnels.
• 46:04
  The people who are making up all of the rumors, right?
• 46:08
  - Yeah.
• 46:09
  - What else about this post might be incorrect?
• 46:12
  - So are you saying that they should spread the rumors
• 46:16
  and accuse the family of cult and trafficking?
• 46:19
  - I know, I'm like, okay, so do you want to specify?
• 46:24
  'Cause I feel like that's important at this point.
• 46:27
  - Like it's debunking this thing
• 46:28
  that is trying to debunk the bad.
• 46:32
  - Yeah. - Okay.
• 46:33
  - Am I- - And they're not even, no, no, no, no.
• 46:35
  - Miss reading this. - We are evil.
• 46:37
  - Like that's what it sounds like it's trying to say.
• 46:41
  (laughing)
• 46:43
  - Okay.
• 46:43
  - And I don't think that they were even debunking
• 46:46
  like the tunnels, they were just saying the tunnels aren't,
• 46:49
  like the rumors about the tunnels are wrong.
• 46:51
  I don't think they were ever saying like there's no tunnel,
• 46:56
  either.
• 46:56
  So I just like, I thought it was really odd.
• 46:59
  A couple of things that I had quoted from the website
• 47:02
  in the beginning were like, we want to acquire this property.
• 47:06
  - Yeah. - Meaning?
• 47:09
  Whoever's running this website does not own this property.
• 47:13
  - Allegedly.
• 47:14
  - Allegedly, but you can Google who owns a property
• 47:18
  and it's not- - It's not.
• 47:19
  - It's not the same person that runs this website at all.
• 47:22
  - How can we be sure?
• 47:24
  I mean, I guess it could be like a deep fake, but-
• 47:28
  - I don't know. - They don't have any questions.
• 47:30
  - The people who live there,
• 47:31
  they don't want people coming on.
• 47:33
  They chase them away, they don't want them there.
• 47:35
  So I don't think that they have anything to do
• 47:38
  with the website.
• 47:39
  I don't think they want this kind of attention.
• 47:42
  - Because they're private.
• 47:43
  Well, we'll go into it.
• 47:45
  - Okay. - Who lives there?
• 47:46
  I guess we haven't really gotten there yet, but.
• 47:48
  Yeah.
• 47:50
  It was just supposed to be like a family's property.
• 47:53
  Like it's not-
• 47:54
  - Okay, so this is not a religious organization.
• 47:56
  - Yeah, it doesn't appear to be some sort of shadow
• 48:00
  organization or LLC based in the Caymans.
• 48:04
  - I mean, not this one.
• 48:05
  - Okay.
• 48:06
  - So also under the press tab on this website,
• 48:10
  they kind of do bash the current residents
• 48:13
  and they try to kind of expose some fraud
• 48:16
  that they do have evidence of
• 48:18
  and they do link to the stories.
• 48:20
  I'm not really gonna get into it
• 48:21
  'cause there's other stuff I need to get into.
• 48:23
  - Shit.
• 48:24
  - And that is someone who still lives on the property.
• 48:27
  So you're like, I don't know.
• 48:29
  I don't wanna go into all her shit.
• 48:31
  - Yeah. - If you're curious.
• 48:32
  - You can find it.
• 48:34
  - And I will.
• 48:36
  - But yeah, so the fraud is definitely a theme
• 48:39
  which we're gonna get to very shortly.
• 48:42
  But there's clearly a dispute over the land.
• 48:46
  Like, seems to be this one person thinks that they want it.
• 48:50
  There's other people actually living on it.
• 48:52
  They're like, but we own it.
• 48:53
  - Right.
• 48:54
  - Yeah, so.
• 48:55
  - Wow.
• 48:56
  - It gets messy.
• 48:59
  So the gossip and myths might turn out to be false
• 49:03
  but there is some very true crimes surrounding the property.
• 49:07
  And I'm not gonna use their names.
• 49:08
  I don't know if this is like a pussy move,
• 49:11
  like not using these people's names.
• 49:13
  - Not necessarily.
• 49:14
  - But I feel like it was, it's not like murder.
• 49:16
  So I don't know.
• 49:17
  - I mean, and it depends on how pertinent their crimes are.
• 49:22
  - You know, I feel like you have to just use your best
• 49:25
  judgment.
• 49:25
  - And the family still is on the property.
• 49:27
  So I'm like, I don't know.
• 49:28
  - You can easily find it if you want to,
• 49:29
  but I just like, I don't need to.
• 49:31
  - I do think there is something to be said for like,
• 49:33
  this is publicly available.
• 49:35
  If you want that information,
• 49:37
  I'm gonna make you work for it.
• 49:38
  I feel like that's fair.
• 49:39
  - Visit the paceman.
• 49:40
  - Yeah.
• 49:41
  - Or Google, just Google,
• 49:43
  share yourself with the pop.
• 49:43
  - Or visit the paceman.
• 49:45
  (laughing)
• 49:47
  - This is a story from the Oregonian published in 2017.
• 49:51
  - Ooh.
• 49:52
  - There was a 41 year old man sentenced to one year
• 49:57
  and one day in prison in order to pay 2.5 million in restitution
• 50:02
  for scamming health insurance and the internal revenue service.
• 50:09
  - I mean, honestly.
• 50:10
  - A K, the IRS.
• 50:11
  - Yeah, not a smart move in terms of the IRS,
• 50:14
  but like, you know.
• 50:15
  - Don't do that, man.
• 50:17
  - Health insurance companies, like probably not a smart idea,
• 50:19
  but fuck 'em.
• 50:21
  - Fuck 'em.
• 50:22
  - Right.
• 50:23
  I mean, at this point.
• 50:24
  - Yeah. - And this is back.
• 50:25
  - No, pretty much always, the vibe is fucking.
• 50:29
  - But still, like, you're gonna get in trouble
• 50:31
  if you do that, right?
• 50:32
  - It's a catch you.
• 50:34
  - Yeah.
• 50:35
  - Yeah. - It sounds like they caught them
• 50:36
  because this man was sentenced.
• 50:37
  - He done did get caught.
• 50:39
  - He claims he was, quote, "acting as a servant
• 50:44
  for his manipulative monstrous and distorted father."
• 50:48
  - End quote.
• 50:49
  - Okay, I assume we were gonna say wife.
• 50:51
  - No. - Okay.
• 50:52
  - Father.
• 50:53
  - Great.
• 50:54
  - At their eye care clinic in Russia.
• 50:59
  - Fuck up.
• 51:00
  - Eyes.
• 51:01
  - Oculus.
• 51:03
  It all makes sense.
• 51:04
  - In 2015, the optimologist who I'll be referring to
• 51:11
  was Papa Oculus.
• 51:13
  He died at 80 before being charged with the crimes.
• 51:16
  - Oh.
• 51:18
  - But they sure charged his son.
• 51:20
  - Oh shit.
• 51:21
  - Okay, that's right.
• 51:22
  - Literally, yeah.
• 51:23
  - He got time.
• 51:24
  He was ordered to pay the $2.5 million.
• 51:27
  That is a bummer.
• 51:30
  Although there were claims of abuse to his son and wife
• 51:35
  at the hands of Papa Oculus,
• 51:37
  the family used the Ilgotton money from the shell company
• 51:41
  called Oculus Inc. to live off of and start to build
• 51:46
  a 35,000 square foot house.
• 51:50
  - Wow. - 35,000 square foot house.
• 51:53
  - That's a million house.
• 51:55
  - That's a compound.
• 51:56
  A mansion is arguably like 10,000 square feet.
• 51:59
  That's a fucking compound.
• 52:01
  - Which kind of now this also fed into some of the rumors.
• 52:06
  - Coltie.
• 52:07
  - With its very own hella pad, of course.
• 52:12
  - I'm also giving Coltie vibe.
• 52:15
  - Not gonna lie.
• 52:16
  - And was to be connected to another home on the property
• 52:19
  by way of heated tunnel.
• 52:22
  - So the tunnels are true.
• 52:23
  - Yeah. - Still,
• 52:24
  I don't know if they actually have been built.
• 52:26
  We just can see the permits.
• 52:28
  - We know the permits. - Yeah, exist.
• 52:30
  - Yeah. - That's fair.
• 52:31
  'Cause actually the construction,
• 52:33
  that's a lengthy process.
• 52:35
  - Right. - Yeah.
• 52:35
  - And as far as I know,
• 52:37
  the house was never finished.
• 52:39
  - Jesus Christ.
• 52:40
  - Okay.
• 52:41
  - So people are talking about tunnels
• 52:42
  that more than likely,
• 52:44
  - Unless they built the tunnels first before the house.
• 52:48
  - Well, you know, I'd be actually,
• 52:51
  from like a seismology standpoint,
• 52:55
  it might seismological seismologically.
• 52:59
  It might make more sense to do the tunnels first.
• 53:04
  - Maybe. - I doubt that's what they did.
• 53:06
  And they probably don't have tunnels running
• 53:10
  like under the complete footprint of the house
• 53:13
  and depending on how deep they go
• 53:15
  and I'm not a geologist or an architect or an engineer.
• 53:20
  - Do you know something?
• 53:21
  - Yeah.
• 53:22
  - But, you know, I don't know.
• 53:23
  There's arguments that we could make.
• 53:26
  - Yeah, that is an interesting thought.
• 53:28
  I kinda hadn't really thought about that.
• 53:29
  But I just air dropped you the Google image photo
• 53:34
  and you can see the unfinished.
• 53:36
  You could basically just see like the foundation
• 53:39
  of the house and like beams, like exposed beams.
• 53:42
  - Okay. - Like it's unfinished.
• 53:44
  - I mean, knowing what I know,
• 53:47
  I can tell that that's what that is.
• 53:48
  - Yeah, without even zooming in because it's kind of big.
• 53:52
  - It is quite sizable and that's that very,
• 53:56
  I know what Rebar looks like.
• 53:57
  - Right, I don't like that.
• 53:59
  - But I know what that looks like.
• 54:01
  So, I was trying to see if it would give like a date
• 54:04
  on the when the map was taken.
• 54:08
  - It probably doesn't on your screenshot,
• 54:10
  but Google image typically does.
• 54:14
  - Okay, Kylan web sleuthed around
• 54:16
  and we think she thinks that the Google images are current.
• 54:21
  So, we don't think the house has been built ever.
• 54:25
  Still exposed, probably getting very damaged.
• 54:28
  - Yeah, Rebar, I'm surprised that it says.
• 54:31
  - Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm surprised that it looks like
• 54:35
  some, like the color of cement, essentially,
• 54:39
  'cause they were at some stage of the foundation.
• 54:42
  - Yeah, I wonder what it looks like close up.
• 54:44
  - Yeah. - Ooh.
• 54:45
  - So, we're gonna go on and keep talking about this family
• 54:50
  who was involved in this fraud.
• 54:54
  - Oh, right, there were people.
• 54:56
  - They were just talking about Rebar.
• 54:58
  - Yeah. - Okay.
• 55:00
  - Wow.
• 55:01
  - So, the son who I referred to here as Spawn Evoculus,
• 55:06
  Spawn of Papa Oculus, his defense was that Papa O
• 55:13
  was a lot different behind closed doors.
• 55:15
  And then what the community saw of him, and knew of him.
• 55:19
  So, - He was in disbainting.
• 55:21
  - I really don't wanna know.
• 55:24
  - Oh no, I said it and then I was like, I regret this.
• 55:27
  - 'Cause I called him Papa.
• 55:28
  - Yeah.
• 55:29
  - But there was like, yeah, allegations of abuse
• 55:31
  to the son and wife and I don't, he was dead.
• 55:34
  So, it's like he can defend himself.
• 55:37
  I really don't know what's true and what's not.
• 55:39
  This is from the son's perspective.
• 55:42
  - He also apologized in court and claimed that
• 55:47
  because of his traumatic upbringing
• 55:49
  and his autism spectrum disorder,
• 55:52
  that he didn't understand what he was doing was wrong
• 55:56
  until his team of lawyers helped him understand.
• 55:59
  - Wow, that's really interesting.
• 56:00
  A lot of people trying to use an autism spectrum disorder
• 56:05
  to defend their behavior of late.
• 56:07
  - Yeah.
• 56:08
  - And I mean, the judge obviously disagreed
• 56:11
  'cause he did plea guilty as well.
• 56:13
  - Okay.
• 56:14
  - He was like, yeah, I'm guilty,
• 56:15
  but so he wasn't really trying to get out of it.
• 56:18
  He was just, here's sort of an explanation,
• 56:20
  which I don't know if you're,
• 56:22
  if maybe really traumatized.
• 56:24
  You work for your dad who traumatized you
• 56:27
  and I'm not saying that like, because you're autistic,
• 56:30
  you don't know like right from wrong.
• 56:32
  I really don't know that side of it,
• 56:35
  but I could see how you would just be like,
• 56:36
  do you just do whatever he says?
• 56:38
  - Yeah.
• 56:39
  - You know, I don't know.
• 56:40
  My understanding of autism spectrum disorders
• 56:45
  is that you have a very defined sense of justice.
• 56:51
  - Right, that's kind of what I thought.
• 56:56
  - So, but like who makes the rules?
• 56:59
  Who knows rules are you trained to follow?
• 57:02
  You know, that trauma or abuse, alleged or you know,
• 57:07
  maybe that changes your perception of what,
• 57:12
  what that looks like with justice.
• 57:15
  - Looks like.
• 57:16
  - He did also ask for help in like his future,
• 57:19
  like career endeavors, like help and guidance.
• 57:23
  So I don't, so maybe there's some good side
• 57:25
  of how good he's doing better.
• 57:28
  - Okay.
• 57:28
  - You know, I really don't know.
• 57:29
  I didn't look into what he's doing now or where he's at
• 57:33
  because it wasn't where he's at is not involved,
• 57:36
  but we do know some other things about
• 57:39
  some of the other family members.
• 57:41
  - I'm so excited.
• 57:42
  - So the actual current owner, when you Google the property,
• 57:47
  is the son's spawn of Oculus, it's his wife or ex-wife.
• 57:52
  I'm not really sure I didn't really dig down that path
• 57:55
  to see if they actually got divorced
• 57:57
  'cause I feel like that's probably in the records,
• 57:59
  but I don't know where to look at things.
• 58:02
  - I'm sure some sort of court filing
• 58:05
  that can confirm that in that case.
• 58:07
  - Yeah, but I feel like I didn't need to go do that.
• 58:10
  - We don't care.
• 58:11
  - She still has his last name.
• 58:12
  - Yeah.
• 58:13
  - I mean, like, who knows?
• 58:16
  - Yeah.
• 58:17
  - People keep their name, people don't.
• 58:18
  - Yep.
• 58:19
  - There has also been some dispute between her
• 58:22
  and Papa O's wife.
• 58:25
  - Ooooo.
• 58:27
  - So the wife of, or the mom of mother-in-law, sorry,
• 58:32
  that's not interesting.
• 58:33
  - I was getting, well, like what is this?
• 58:35
  - So the thing that this reminds me of
• 58:37
  is do you remember that movie that JLo did
• 58:40
  where it's monster and love?
• 58:43
  - Well, it might be the reverse.
• 58:45
  Yeah, so apparently from what all,
• 58:49
  there's a ton of YouTube videos and stuff on the property.
• 58:51
  There's actually some people who went on the property
• 58:54
  to move the lion statues for the mom, mama-oh,
• 58:59
  we'll just call her mama-oh, 'cause I'm not using names.
• 59:02
  - Yeah.
• 59:03
  - And they actually got chased off by the daughter-in-law.
• 59:08
  So they, from what everyone says,
• 59:11
  they think there's kind of a dispute about the land.
• 59:14
  So the daughter-in-law actually owns it,
• 59:17
  but the mama-oh lives there.
• 59:20
  And I think they're like fighting over the land.
• 59:24
  - That's very interesting.
• 59:26
  - And there's like, I couldn't find records
• 59:28
  of like who actually lives on the property, you know?
• 59:31
  - Oh, we could find that.
• 59:32
  - Probably can't.
• 59:33
  - But I don't know if she officially,
• 59:35
  she doesn't own the property.
• 59:37
  So I don't know if she officially lives there.
• 59:39
  Some of those things can be a little bit murky.
• 59:41
  - Yeah.
• 59:42
  - Which I was like, I've gone down so many robberholes.
• 59:45
  Like I feel like we just,
• 59:46
  we don't need to know who's on the property,
• 59:48
  just that there is people living there.
• 59:50
  I feel like, so.
• 59:51
  - Okay.
• 59:52
  - Yeah, it seems that's fair to say.
• 59:53
  - Yeah, okay.
• 59:54
  - And then potentially so this like third other person
• 59:57
  with their religious organization.
• 59:58
  So there's like potentially three people
• 1:00:00
  like fighting over this land.
• 1:00:02
  - Yeah, they're wow.
• 1:00:04
  Like a triangle.
• 1:00:05
  - Yes.
• 1:00:06
  - A pyramid.
• 1:00:06
  - Oh.
• 1:00:07
  - I also did find out that Mama O is of Egyptian descent.
• 1:00:13
  So.
• 1:00:14
  - Okay, so that makes it a lot less weird than--
• 1:00:17
  - When you find that out, it's like of course they're gonna,
• 1:00:20
  if they have all this money, they're gonna--
• 1:00:22
  - It's like a celebration of her culture and heritage.
• 1:00:26
  - Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  - So everybody else is just dexed.
• 1:00:30
  - Exactly.
• 1:00:31
  - I know, when I found that, I was like, well, duh.
• 1:00:33
  Like obviously there is a blog post or article
• 1:00:37
  that kind of did like a ton of internet digging
• 1:00:40
  and figured out who was running the Oculus
• 1:00:43
  the Nubis website, the church website.
• 1:00:45
  - Okay, I so wondered.
• 1:00:46
  - She, I mean, she doesn't look Egyptian to me.
• 1:00:50
  I mean, I don't know.
• 1:00:51
  But I'm like, who are these other people
• 1:00:53
  who are trying to like run this religion?
• 1:00:55
  That's like not your, it's not your,
• 1:00:58
  like you're stealing this religion.
• 1:01:01
  - That is so interesting.
• 1:01:02
  - And like, creating, I don't know.
• 1:01:04
  I feel like they're kind of making it their,
• 1:01:06
  I don't know, they don't say what their religion is.
• 1:01:09
  - Like appropriating?
• 1:01:10
  - Yes, sounds like to me.
• 1:01:13
  Anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting.
• 1:01:16
  But some white girls coming in and trying to take this property
• 1:01:20
  from an Egyptian woman who decorated it with her own
• 1:01:25
  ancestral art.
• 1:01:27
  - Wow, wow.
• 1:01:29
  It's just gross.
• 1:01:30
  - You know how people suck?
• 1:01:31
  - Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  - Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  - Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  - There's also a donate tab on that site.
• 1:01:35
  Just like I would say not to donate.
• 1:01:37
  - Probably not.
• 1:01:39
  - I'm gonna not.
• 1:01:40
  - Unless you're very sure what something is about
• 1:01:42
  and what they're doing with the money.
• 1:01:44
  And yeah, I don't know.
• 1:01:47
  Like they're taking, are they taking donations
• 1:01:48
  to be able to buy the property?
• 1:01:50
  Like God, I just like, is it for sale?
• 1:01:52
  (laughing)
• 1:01:53
  - No, I know.
• 1:01:54
  - Like there's one more thing.
• 1:01:56
  - Okay.
• 1:01:57
  - I don't know who started calling it Oculus Anubis.
• 1:02:01
  Like I feel like people, I don't know if the owners,
• 1:02:04
  if that family who lived there,
• 1:02:06
  if that's what they called their property.
• 1:02:08
  But I kind of just feel like people saw
• 1:02:10
  like the Oculus name from the shell company,
• 1:02:15
  the Oculus Inc.
• 1:02:18
  And then like there's so many statues,
• 1:02:21
  like Egyptian statues and people were like,
• 1:02:23
  confusing that one big statue in the front for an Ubis.
• 1:02:26
  Like did they just make up this name?
• 1:02:29
  - See to me that reads as, especially knowing,
• 1:02:32
  like I'm just not as familiar with some of that iconography
• 1:02:37
  and I was like, oh, I'm so excited.
• 1:02:41
  - Really, you know.
• 1:02:43
  I think that seems totally plausible.
• 1:02:48
  I feel like this is not even of their own making.
• 1:02:52
  I feel like this is like a third party
• 1:02:54
  that's just like Oculus Anubis, OVs.
• 1:02:57
  - And then some other lady just made a church out of it.
• 1:03:01
  - It's odd.
• 1:03:02
  And I did kind of like look through all,
• 1:03:04
  'cause I found that where Oculus came from
• 1:03:06
  and I was like, oh, cool.
• 1:03:07
  And I was like expecting them to say
• 1:03:09
  like that's what they called their property.
• 1:03:11
  And I didn't find anything like that.
• 1:03:13
  - To confirm that.
• 1:03:14
  - Yeah, no confirmations on where the Anubis part
• 1:03:18
  of the name actually came from.
• 1:03:21
  Or if people were just like evil, death, God,
• 1:03:24
  Oculus Anubis.
• 1:03:25
  It's also interesting too because like,
• 1:03:28
  there's like the eye of raw and the eye of some other guy,
• 1:03:32
  it starts with an H, I can't remember what it is.
• 1:03:34
  Horace or something.
• 1:03:35
  - Horace, so I'm like, why wouldn't they pick one of those?
• 1:03:38
  'Cause it's like the eye, but they made it eye of Anubis.
• 1:03:42
  - Yeah. - It's like, isn't really a thing.
• 1:03:43
  I don't know.
• 1:03:44
  It's interesting.
• 1:03:45
  - Like interesting.
• 1:03:46
  It seems like someone who doesn't know a lot about Egypt.
• 1:03:49
  - Right.
• 1:03:50
  - Just making up shit.
• 1:03:50
  - First one they thought it.
• 1:03:52
  And they mashed it together.
• 1:03:54
  - Exactly.
• 1:03:54
  - And they probably have all of the best words.
• 1:03:57
  - Kind of moral the story is.
• 1:03:59
  - Though there might be some actual juicy stuff here.
• 1:04:03
  Some real true juicy stuff along with them,
• 1:04:05
  all the made up juicy stuff.
• 1:04:07
  But that still doesn't mean you have the right
• 1:04:09
  to be disrespectful to the property.
• 1:04:11
  Just because someone associated who used to live there
• 1:04:15
  got convicted of a crime,
• 1:04:17
  like doesn't give you the right to go in.
• 1:04:20
  Gawk at it or be noisy and disrespectful
• 1:04:24
  to everyone and all the other neighbors.
• 1:04:25
  So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:04:27
  Honestly, if you look into it, probably that's the case
• 1:04:30
  with a lot more properties than people realize.
• 1:04:34
  - Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  So.
• 1:04:36
  - Reminds me too of the hell house.
• 1:04:38
  Like this house that just happened to have terrible things
• 1:04:42
  happen in it.
• 1:04:43
  And then people just like going crazy over it.
• 1:04:46
  Well, the address thing also didn't help.
• 1:04:48
  But like the numbers, but that was, yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  No, it's interesting because I feel like now
• 1:04:56
  where we were just talking about this off my egg
• 1:04:59
  before we started recording that we're getting close
• 1:05:03
  to 200 episodes.
• 1:05:05
  And I feel like now there are so many times
• 1:05:09
  where as we're talking about it,
• 1:05:13
  whatever that episode is about, whatever the topic is
• 1:05:17
  that it's like you see so many parallels
• 1:05:20
  to other things that we've covered in an episode.
• 1:05:24
  And at a certain point, I'm like, okay,
• 1:05:26
  well, like how many of our past episodes
• 1:05:28
  can we talk about and it feels a little
• 1:05:30
  almost self-indulgent?
• 1:05:32
  But I'm like, no, it's just so interesting to see where
• 1:05:35
  I don't know, it kind of takes me back like,
• 1:05:40
  what is the, it's sort of like those who don't
• 1:05:47
  understand or learn history are doomed to repeat it?
• 1:05:50
  And it's sort of just like, you see these same principles
• 1:05:54
  come up time and time again in like certain we do.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, we do that with like all the episodes I feel like
• 1:06:04
  this reminds us of that.
• 1:06:05
  And it's like really impressive that we can actually recall
• 1:06:08
  what we've done in the past 200 episodes.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  No, I feel like it doesn't say anything spectacular
• 1:06:15
  about my memory per se.
• 1:06:17
  I think it's more about the pattern, recognition.
• 1:06:20
  Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  That's memory accounts.
• 1:06:23
  Kind of, yeah, you know, whatever.
• 1:06:26
  Well, I just want to leave you with one comment,
• 1:06:29
  one part of a comment that was on one of these YouTube videos
• 1:06:33
  that I found about the property.
• 1:06:35
  All right, this person's comment says, quote,
• 1:06:39
  "This is a great lesson in the damaging ripple effect
• 1:06:42
  of gossip and rumors."
• 1:06:44
  That property is gorgeous.
• 1:06:46
  Ex-entrissities doesn't equal devil worship or cults.
• 1:06:51
  Holy shit.
• 1:06:52
  My job.
• 1:06:53
  Okay.
• 1:06:54
  So this is really crazy, but the damaging impact of rumors,
• 1:07:01
  holy fucking shit.
• 1:07:03
  Is that a theme and like something you're talking about?
• 1:07:05
  Literally the episode that I'm doing next.
• 1:07:09
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:07:11
  It is a huge.
• 1:07:15
  It's huge.
• 1:07:16
  Huge.
• 1:07:16
  Huge.
• 1:07:17
  But huge component of my next episode.
• 1:07:21
  Interesting.
• 1:07:22
  Wow.
• 1:07:22
  We were just picking up all the vibes.
• 1:07:24
  Me always do.
• 1:07:26
  I know it's so bizarre because I've had this case earmarked
• 1:07:29
  for a long time and I feel like we both,
• 1:07:32
  it sounds like both of these topics,
• 1:07:35
  we've been like, oh, I'm going to cover this.
• 1:07:37
  Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  And now here we are covering them kind of, you know,
• 1:07:41
  for our intense and purposes.
• 1:07:43
  As far as release, they're not going to be exactly
• 1:07:46
  back to back per se, but still.
• 1:07:49
  It's like, that's cool.
• 1:07:51
  Whoa.
• 1:07:52
  I don't know if they will be.
• 1:07:53
  Actually, I, maybe I take that back.
• 1:07:55
  This is the next one we're going to record from you.
• 1:07:57
  Yes.
• 1:07:58
  And yes, they will be back to back.
• 1:07:59
  So sometimes I lie that it's always on accident.
• 1:08:02
  Unless it's on purpose.
• 1:08:03
  Yes.
• 1:08:06
  Unless it's on purpose.
• 1:08:08
  I was really going to say unless plans change,
• 1:08:10
  but then that just felt too perfect to say
• 1:08:12
  after he said that.
• 1:08:15
  All right.
• 1:08:16
  Well, let's do some tarot for this bitch.
• 1:08:19
  I think we should.
• 1:08:20
  Oh, you lost all of those.
• 1:08:32
  Oh, hello, the high priestess.
• 1:08:40
  OK, I spread out the cards.
• 1:08:43
  We were thinking Egyptian thoughts.
• 1:08:46
  And I pulled the high priestess, which is number two,
• 1:08:51
  the major arcana, number two like poo poo.
• 1:08:57
  Like you do, like two lions at your gates.
• 1:09:03
  Big kids.
• 1:09:04
  It's interesting too.
• 1:09:05
  We did get like the high priestess.
• 1:09:07
  Well, I want to look at the I want them.
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  God, I can't fucking dog.
• 1:09:13
  Fucking sad.
• 1:09:14
  I hope they describe the traditional card.
• 1:09:16
  Because I feel like there's some Egyptian imagery on some of the cards.
• 1:09:21
  And I feel like this might be one of them, but I can't quite remember.
• 1:09:26
  I'm not sure that this one does, but OK, either way,
• 1:09:29
  we talked about like a powerful woman.
• 1:09:31
  So that's interesting.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  She does kind of have a Cleo vibe here.
• 1:09:37
  Oh, OK.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  OK.
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  Our keywords are intuition, emotions, feminine power, imagination, spirituality.
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  OK, perfect.
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  The inner life.
• 1:09:54
  The inner life, that's kind of just like so interesting.
• 1:09:59
  Because they're like secretive and like introverts.
• 1:10:04
  Yeah.
• 1:10:05
  So introverted that they might have tunnels.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Oh.
• 1:10:10
  And what's inside those tunnels?
• 1:10:14
  Don't know.
• 1:10:15
  That's cool.
• 1:10:17
  This beautiful and enigmatic card symbolizes feminine spiritual power,
• 1:10:23
  or the goddess from whom all life comes and to whom it all returns.
• 1:10:28
  That's that duality.
• 1:10:30
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:32
  Some deck show her as a serene female figure,
• 1:10:36
  seated with a book or scroll on her lap to indicate wisdom.
• 1:10:41
  Other decks depict her gazing into the distance
• 1:10:44
  at something yet to be revealed.
• 1:10:46
  Ooh.
• 1:10:47
  What's going to be revealed?
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  Don't know.
• 1:10:51
  It reminds me too of like at the gate gazing
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  into the distance at the Statue of Segment.
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  Bro.
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  Bro.
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  Bro.
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  Bro.
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  She's sometimes positioned between two pillars, one black, one white.
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  OK.
• 1:11:09
  I'm just saying the pillars, it's really interesting.
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  And then it--
• 1:11:12
  Oh, it keeps going.
• 1:11:13
  It is interesting because there are photos
• 1:11:16
  supposedly of the house where there's like pillars.
• 1:11:18
  And it looks like a base.
• 1:11:20
  I'm saying even at the gate.
• 1:11:22
  Right.
• 1:11:22
  It's it.
• 1:11:23
  It's it.
• 1:11:25
  It's maybe not pillars in the most traditional sense.
• 1:11:29
  I'm just-- the iconography matches up for me.
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  But there are pillars.
• 1:11:34
  There are pillars.
• 1:11:35
  I don't know if I have that photo or not.
• 1:11:38
  Keep reading.
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  Shut the fuck up.
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  OK.
• 1:11:42
  So two pillars, one black, one white,
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  which represent the dual nature of existence, good and evil,
• 1:11:49
  light and dark, truth and deception, positive and negative.
• 1:11:54
  Wow.
• 1:11:54
  We talked so much about that.
• 1:11:56
  We did.
• 1:11:58
  Interesting like the black coloring came up too.
• 1:12:00
  And that's like one of the things, hey.
• 1:12:03
  I talked about too.
• 1:12:04
  This is interesting.
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  Extra.
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  Extra.
• 1:12:08
  Sorry, I clicked on--
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  No, you're good.
• 1:12:09
  I clicked on a picture of the gate when it was like all pretty.
• 1:12:13
  Let me see.
• 1:12:13
  I have to send this to you.
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  OK.
• 1:12:16
  OK, I'm going to read the extra excerpt.
• 1:12:18
  OK.
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  We all come from the goddess.
• 1:12:21
  And to her, we shall return like a drop of rain flowing
• 1:12:26
  to the ocean.
• 1:12:29
  Because I just feel like this had so much
• 1:12:31
  to do with iconography related to life and death.
• 1:12:37
  Definitely, though.
• 1:12:38
  I don't know.
• 1:12:40
  The gate doesn't look as black here
• 1:12:42
  as it does in some of the other photos.
• 1:12:44
  But--
• 1:12:45
  Yeah, that's interesting.
• 1:12:46
  But that does kind of look like pillars.
• 1:12:48
  Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  And I forgot there was the two torches
• 1:12:50
  on the side too, and they're lit in this photo.
• 1:12:53
  Wow.
• 1:12:54
  And the road is lined with pink flowers.
• 1:13:00
  They're almost red.
• 1:13:01
  And the statue--
• 1:13:03
  I didn't really mention the statue is white.
• 1:13:06
  Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Like white.
• 1:13:07
  So we have that black and white.
• 1:13:08
  Very interesting.
• 1:13:10
  Black, white, and gold.
• 1:13:12
  OK.
• 1:13:13
  So we did draw this upright, correct?
• 1:13:16
  OK.
• 1:13:17
  The high priestess may advise paying attention
• 1:13:20
  to your inner world, dreams, imagination,
• 1:13:24
  and intuition, especially if you
• 1:13:26
  tend to be a logical, practical person.
• 1:13:31
  Look more deeply at your hidden talents and motivations,
• 1:13:34
  face your shadow, and reconcile your inner life
• 1:13:39
  with your outer one.
• 1:13:40
  But reminds me of the sun, kind of, immediately.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  Upright, the high priestess suggests inner changes
• 1:13:50
  are taking place even if they haven't materialized yet.
• 1:13:53
  Something hidden is about to come for it.
• 1:13:57
  Oh, that freaked me out a little bit.
• 1:14:00
  I wonder--
• 1:14:03
  Like, I want something to come out about the property,
• 1:14:05
  but I wanted to feel good.
• 1:14:07
  Like, I want them to finish it and make it pretty not
• 1:14:11
  the religious way, not like what that person wants to do it.
• 1:14:14
  But--
• 1:14:14
  Yeah, I feel like I'm not feeling that.
• 1:14:16
  I feel like they could just do tours and stuff, you know?
• 1:14:20
  Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:14:22
  But I mean, that's such a massive property and bill.
• 1:14:25
  It is.
• 1:14:25
  It would take a lot of money to do so.
• 1:14:28
  I mean, one would imagine--
• 1:14:30
  I'd just start charging people to tour.
• 1:14:32
  All freaking give you 20 bucks to come take a tour of the land.
• 1:14:35
  Right?
• 1:14:37
  20 bucks.
• 1:14:39
  This is interesting.
• 1:14:41
  OK, so there's another extra excerpt
• 1:14:43
  before our bulleted interpretations.
• 1:14:47
  The shadow, psychologist Carl G. Young,
• 1:14:50
  but the high priestess symbolized the shadow,
• 1:14:54
  the unknown, secret, dark, and mysterious part
• 1:14:58
  that lies within each of us.
• 1:15:01
  Pretty sure you used all of those words describing this play.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, I think so.
• 1:15:05
  But also, like, the secrets of the doctor
• 1:15:07
  who is doing all the fraud, the ophthalmologist,
• 1:15:10
  and maybe possibly abusing his family behind closed doors.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  That's really reminiscent of that, too.
• 1:15:16
  There's a lot-- I feel like there's a lot of ways
• 1:15:19
  you can kind of tie that.
• 1:15:20
  This next part will be fucking shit.
• 1:15:22
  OK.
• 1:15:24
  In a reading about money, you may be
• 1:15:26
  too otherworldly or impractical in financial areas.
• 1:15:32
  Perhaps you need to get a handle on spending.
• 1:15:37
  Yeah, you try to spend $3 million building
• 1:15:40
  stolen money, building a giant mansion.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:15:45
  Maybe this card's for you.
• 1:15:48
  The high priestess can also advise listening
• 1:15:50
  to your intuition in an issue involving money.
• 1:15:56
  If the reading is about your job,
• 1:15:58
  this card recommends tuning into the invisible world, which
• 1:16:02
  is really interesting when we're talking about someone
• 1:16:05
  who has an occupation specifically related to the visible.
• 1:16:11
  Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  And taking advantage of your inner knowing
• 1:16:17
  and the spiritual guidance available to you,
• 1:16:21
  I'm getting such cool TV vibes.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah, I kind of am, too, which totally fits.
• 1:16:26
  Not that they have a cult, but there's cult themes, you know?
• 1:16:30
  I mean, it's tied to it, whether that's intentional
• 1:16:33
  on the part of the owner or anyone who's actually
• 1:16:36
  affiliated with the property or not.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah, it's like forever going to be--
• 1:16:40
  It's like kind of tainted in a way.
• 1:16:43
  OK.
• 1:16:45
  It can also mean working in a field that
• 1:16:47
  uses your inner power, intuition, and wisdom,
• 1:16:51
  such as psychology, holistic healing, or a spiritual path.
• 1:16:56
  OK.
• 1:16:57
  I really-- this kind of triggered in me,
• 1:17:00
  I would like to know, as an MD, I would think your license,
• 1:17:08
  probably--
• 1:17:09
  there's a fair chance it might be suspended.
• 1:17:15
  Based on some of these bad acts.
• 1:17:18
  And I wonder for someone in his position,
• 1:17:21
  different kind of doctor, not a traditional MD,
• 1:17:24
  but is he still licensed?
• 1:17:27
  Well, he's dead.
• 1:17:29
  No, I mean the son.
• 1:17:30
  Oh, the son?
• 1:17:31
  I'm not sure he was actually a doctor.
• 1:17:33
  I think he just worked there.
• 1:17:36
  I think he worked there, but it may have been in a different capacity.
• 1:17:39
  Yeah, I think he like did paper work, like probably filed
• 1:17:42
  all of the insurance claims and stuff.
• 1:17:45
  Oh, could be.
• 1:17:46
  I don't know 100%.
• 1:17:47
  That's interesting.
• 1:17:47
  But that's like the vibe I got.
• 1:17:49
  I don't think he was an eye doctor.
• 1:17:51
  OK.
• 1:17:51
  But yeah, I would imagine that his license would be taken.
• 1:17:55
  I would think.
• 1:17:56
  I would think.
• 1:17:57
  Not a guarantee.
• 1:17:58
  Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  OK.
• 1:18:03
  In a reading about love, the high priestess
• 1:18:05
  may describe a person who's intuitive spiritual in touch
• 1:18:10
  with the higher realms of existence.
• 1:18:14
  Reminding me of the word salad website.
• 1:18:17
  A little bit.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah.
• 1:18:19
  She can also represent a very romantic relationship
• 1:18:23
  that may not be well grounded in reality.
• 1:18:27
  That almost makes me think of the person who started the website.
• 1:18:31
  It's like she's in a relationship with this property that's not real.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Literally.
• 1:18:35
  She's being catfished by her own imagination about the property.
• 1:18:40
  Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Is that a thing?
• 1:18:41
  I think it's a thing.
• 1:18:43
  We read that last line one more time.
• 1:18:46
  She can also represent a very romantic relationship that may not
• 1:18:50
  be well grounded in reality.
• 1:18:54
  It reminds me too of just like all the rumors and the people, especially
• 1:18:58
  like the high school kids who are romanticizing this property that's
• 1:19:03
  got a cult on it.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  That's an interesting way to interpret that.
• 1:19:09
  Oh, thank you.
• 1:19:09
  No, I just, I think, wow.
• 1:19:14
  Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  But I feel like that it's not a word that we necessarily would readily
• 1:19:20
  associate, but how things become sort, like romanticized is actually a more
• 1:19:26
  appropriate word than it seems like on the surface.
• 1:19:30
  Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Because it is taking something that may or may not be true and really
• 1:19:36
  interpreting it just in such a, I don't know, a twisted way.
• 1:19:42
  I don't romanticize actually feels so much more appropriate to me than I would have
• 1:19:46
  thought.
• 1:19:47
  I think so too.
• 1:19:48
  And especially if you're into spooky stuff too, you could be like really romanticizing
• 1:19:53
  it.
• 1:19:54
  Yeah, we're going to go on this property.
• 1:19:55
  It's going to be so spooky.
• 1:19:56
  All this weird shit goes down.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah.
• 1:20:00
  Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Oh, I also had, I think, one more thought about, okay.
• 1:20:05
  Oh, so the high priestess is like a feminine card, right?
• 1:20:09
  And then there's like three women fighting over this land seemingly and like the men are
• 1:20:15
  just all gone.
• 1:20:16
  Yeah.
• 1:20:17
  I mean, I don't know if they are.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah.
• 1:20:19
  In all the stories, it's really about like three women.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah, I mean, they appear and then sort of become absent from the story.
• 1:20:26
  Whether or not that's truly the case is sort of, I guess, up for debate, but feminine energy
• 1:20:33
  for sure.
• 1:20:34
  All right.
• 1:20:35
  Have a creepy ass day.
• 1:20:38
  We'll see you next Tuesday.
• 1:20:41
  And she lost in the tunnels of Oculus Anubis.
• 1:20:47
  Under his eye.
• 1:20:48
  I don't want to be under any dudes eye.
• 1:20:50
  I'm not about that.
• 1:20:52
  I'm not about that.
• 1:20:54
  I'm not going.
• 1:21:04
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