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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 11-13) (4/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Well, folks,
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it might be a new year, but here on the
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podcast we have the same old villains, and today we're
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going to continue right along with the Glene Maxwell deposition
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and continue eating this elephant one bite at a time.
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So let's just dive right back in and pick up
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where we left off. McCauley, did you have an attorney
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to consult with during the criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell,
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I don't believe that I did. McCauley, when did you
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learn that a search warrant was executed for the Palm
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Beach house? Maxwell, I don't recall exactly, McCauley, were you
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present at the house in advance of the search warrant
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and being executed? Mister Pagliuca object to the form of
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the question. Maxwell, I don't remember when the search warrant
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was executed, and I don't remember the year that the
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search warrant was executed, And whenever that was, I already testified.
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I was very very infrequently at the house, so very
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highly unlikely, but I was there a couple of days.
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I just don't know which days it was in relation
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to the police situation. McCauley, did you have a computer
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at the Palm Beach home that was a computer that
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you would use? Maxwell? No, McCauley, Was there a computer
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available for use in the pom Beach house? Maxwell? Can
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you be more specific, McCauley, was there anywhere in the
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Palm Beach house where there was a computer where you
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said you worked for him and there were other staff
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in the house. Was there ever a computer in the
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Palm Beach mansion that was accessible by you or the
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other staff. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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I stopped being regularly at the house sometime in two
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thousand and three, So from two thousand and three to
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when the police search was executed, I have no memory
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of what was there or what was not. I could
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only testify for what was there when I was present, largely, McCauley.
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So in two thousand and three, when you were still there,
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was there a computer that was accessible to you or
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other staff in the house. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell. There was a desktop computer
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people could use, just like you would use if you
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needed to go online to get something that people could
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go use, McCauley. Was that on a desk that you
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would use in your work capacity when you were at
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the house, Maxwell, it was a desk, it was a
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room I was. I didn't really use that computer, McCauley.
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Were there images of naked girls, whether they be under
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the age of eighteen or over the age of eighteen
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on that computer? Maxwell? I have no recollection of any
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naked people on that computer when I was there in
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two thousand and three. We were talking, McCauley, what about
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from say, nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three, Maxwell, No,
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I can't reckon any naked pictures McAuley. Why were the
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computers removed from the house before the search warrant was executed? Oh?
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Another question that I've asked a bazillion times. And by
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the way, all of you should be taking a victory
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lap right now because all the stuff that we've been
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talking about, at least here on this podcast, all these
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receipts are coming out now to approve it all correct.
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So for those of you who have been out here
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telling this story the correct way to your friends, your family,
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anybody who's interested, well, you deserve a pat on your
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shoulder for not falling into the salacious bullshit that all
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these other clowns fell into. And it's a testament to
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the kind of people you are that you didn't fall
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into that trap. Instead, you stayed laser focused on questions
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such as why were the computers removed from the house
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before a search warrant was executed? A very simple question,
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but one that rings loudly. And you would think that
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things like this, when we're talking about this whole entire
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disgusting escapade, would be things that would be in the forefront,
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considering that if the computer was removed before the house
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was raided, that means somebody tip them off. So the
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question is who tip them off? But instead of asking
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that question, we have more bullshit about people saying that
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so and so's eating children, or this one's on the island,
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or that one's on the island. Meanwhile, the focus has
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entirely been taken off the ball. The good news that
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won't happen around these parts. Instead, we're gonna be like
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a dog with a bone, going through these documents and
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then peppering it up with the various articles that come
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out along the way. But all the salacious bullshit If
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that's what you're looking for, you're in the wrong place.
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We don't need to add salacious bullshit. This story is
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disgusting enough on its own. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the
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Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of
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anything like that. No, of course she doesn't. McAuley. Do
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you know where the computers are now? Pagliuka objection to
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the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Well, I don't know
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what computer as you're talking of, and I have no
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idea what you're referencing. McCauley. In two thousand and three,
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you said there was a computer in a room on
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a desk. Maxwell, right, McCauley, do you know where that
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computer is now? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, did you
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take pictures of nude females in any of Epstein's homes,
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or in and around the homes out by the pool
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or anywhere like in the Palm Beach home, the New
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York Home, USVI home, or the New Mexico home. Mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, can you
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repeat the question, McCauley, did you take pictures of nude
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women over eighteen or under eighteen? Females in any of
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Jeffrey Epstein's homes inside or outside, in or around the home. Maxwell,
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I think we need to distinguish between anyone under the
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age of eighteen and over the age of eighteen. McCauley.
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We will start with, did you take pictures of nude
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females in or around any Jeffreys' homes of women or
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females that were under the age of eighteen? Maxwell, No, McCauley,
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did you take pictures of nude females Maxwell? Nude you
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mean with no clothing on, McCauley, or half nude, with
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no top on, any sort of nakedness to an individual
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in any of Jeffrey's homes, either Palm Beach, New Mexico,
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USVII or New York, either outside by the pool, anywhere
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in or around those homes of females over the age
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of eighteen. Maxwell. So it is possible that I took
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pictures of people that were somehow semi or had some
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clothing on or no clothes on. But at no time
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were any of these pictures remotely inappropriate. They were you
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could see them in a mainstream magazine today. There would
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be no inappropriateness. They would be covered, concealed, You wouldn't
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see anything at all. The types of first I took
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very few, and they were always by request. This was
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a picture you could put on your gift to your
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parent or to your grandparents, to put on their mantlepiece.
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It would be a very benign, sort of attractive picture
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where you wouldn't see anything. McCauley. Who would request those pictures? Maxwell?
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From time to time, people men and women would ask
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to have a nice photograph of them taken. McCauley. And
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did Jeffrey Epstein request those pictures? Maxwell? I don't ever
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recall him asking me to take pictures. McCauley. Did you
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give them pictures of naked females as a president? Maxwell,
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I don't ever recall giving a president of I don't
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know why a photograph would constitute a gift, McCauley, Not
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as a gift. Do you recall ever giving Jeffrey Epstein
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pictures that you've taken of these individuals in a naked state.
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation Maxwell.
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First of all, we've already established that they are not
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naked state photographs. McCauley. A piece of them being naked
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as you described Maxwell. Well, I said they would be
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attractive as you would see in mainstream magazines, and those
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pictures could be a picture of a hand or a foot,
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they didn't necessarily constitute. Look, I know where you're headed
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with this, and it's nowhere appropriate and it's really unattractive. McCauley,
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I'm not headed anywhere. I'm just asking the questions. Did
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you give Jeffrey Epstein any of these pictures that you
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took of females in the state that you described Maxwell?
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I can't recall ever giving him pictures, but it's possible
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that I took pictures of people that would end up
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or a friend of his, that he would have not
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naked or not inappropriate in any way, that he might
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have somewhere in his house. McCauley, name for me all
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the individuals who you took the pictures of Maxwell. It's
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entirely impossible for me to name people. First of all,
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it was just it would not be possible. I took
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thousands of photos, not of people, mostly take pictures of
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landscapes and things. I have no recollections specific of people
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that I took pictures of. McCauley. So you can't remember.
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Is it your testimony? You can't remember one person that
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you took pictures of in either a naked or a
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semi naked state. Maxwell, I seriously cannot recall. I just
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don't recall, McCauley, did you take pictures of Virginia Roberts,
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either alone or with another individual in a naked state? Maxwell,
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I have never taken, I believe, any pictures of two
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people and any type of situation naked as you describe, McCauley,
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did you ever take a picture of Virginia Roberts on
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our own without another individual in it in a naked state? Maxwell,
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I don't ever recall taking a picture of Virginia naked.
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We are not referring to someone with no clothing on
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at all. We were referring to someone that could be
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semi clad, or it could have had a towel, or
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We're not referring to anything that's inappropriate, as if having
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a minor at your house dressed in a towel and
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you taking pictures of them isn't inappropriate on its own, McCauley,
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was this a hobby of yours to take pictures of
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that type that you were describing, mister Pagliuca objects to
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the form. Maxwell I just testified. I didn't take pictures
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of many people. My preference is pictures for landscapes and
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for architectural pieces. McCauley, where are those pictures today? Maxwell?
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I have no idea. McCauley. Do you have them in
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your home? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do you have
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them on your computer? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, what
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has Jeffrey Epstein told you about the allegations related to
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the criminal investigation that he was involved in. Maxwell, I
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really can't say, not because I don't want to say,
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but I just think of what he has said to
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me over the course of this time. McCauley, did he
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explain to you and explain what the charges were against them? Maxwell?
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I never had a detailed conversation with them, as I recall, McCauley,
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not detailed, just did he expla playing anything that was
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happening to him? Maxwell, I haven't spoken to him for
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a long time. I can't possibly testify to what conversations
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I had with him over the course of that time. McCauley,
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did he talk to you about any of the girls
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that were making allegations against him? Other than Virginia mister
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Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, you
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were talking about the police records again, all of that. McCauley, Yes, Maxwell,
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I have never had a conversation about those things. McCauley,
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What has Jeffrey Epstein told you about Virginia Roberts Maxwell
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that she's a liar? McCauley, what does he base that on?
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Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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you would have to check with him. I can tell
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you why I think she is a liar. I'm happy
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to do that. McCauley. Did he ever tell you he
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did not have sexual relations with Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I
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can only testify to what I know. McCauley. I'm asking,
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has he told you that he did not have sexual
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relations with Virginia Roberts Maxwell. I can only tell you
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what I know about Virginia Roberts. I cannot tell you
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what he knows about Virginia Roberts. McCauley, I'm asking, did
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he tell you that he did not have sexual relations
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with Virginia Roberts Maxwell. All he told me is that
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she is a liar, McCauley, that's all he said about
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Virginia Roberts. Maxwell. We went through all the lies that
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you have sold to the papers and sold in general,
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and we have analyzed or lies in your lies, and
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you're inappropriate behavior in detail. McCauley. Did he ever say
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that he did not have sexual relations with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell?
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I just testified that we went through all of our lies. McCauley,
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I understand what you said. I'm asking you a question.
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Did he ever tell you that he never had sex
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with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? I don't recall whether he ever.
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I don't know I ever had that question. We focused
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on the lies she did say she had with him,
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as it relates to me. I don't remember asking him
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about his problems with her. I'm interested in what she
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says about myself. McCauley. Did you also talk about the
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things that Virginia Roberts was saying that were true? Maxwell?
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There isn't anything that she said that was true. McCauley.
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Nothing she said that you were aware of is true. Maxwell.
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I think she is correct when she talks about what
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her name is, McCauley, anything else, Maxwell, I'm sure there
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must be one or two other details, but they are
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so far and few between. I would have to look
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in detail at all of her allegations to pinpoint well
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possibly could be true. McCauley, did you ever ask Jeffrey
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if he had sex with minors? Maxwell? I have never
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been asked that question. McCauley. You never asked him that question.
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What analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statement
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Virginia Roberts were making were lies? Mister Pagliuca, objection to
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the form and the foundation? Maxwell, Can you ask me again, please, McCauley,
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What analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statements
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that Virginia Roberts were making were lies? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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to the form and foundation. And to the extent that
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any of this answer calls for any privileged communication, I'm
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instructing with myself or another lawyer present you in any
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common interest agreement, I'm instructing you not to answer. McCauley.
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This court ruled she is entitled, and you had to
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produce documents about communicating with Jeffrey. That's what I'm asking about.
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I'm not asking about communications with your lawyers. I'm asking
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what analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statements
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that Virginia Roberts were making were lies? If you know,
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mister Pagliuka, my objection is to the extent she learned
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any of that information as a result of either a
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privileged communication from a lawyer, one of her lawyers, or
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a privilege communication subject to a joint defense agreement or
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common interest agreement. I'm telling her not to answer to
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the extent she has information outside of those things she
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is permitted to answer. McCauley, do you understand. So if
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it was a conversation with a lawyer, which I'm not
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asking about, I don't want you to tell me about
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your conversations with lawyers. I want you to tell me
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whether Jeffrey Epstein ever told you what he analyzed in
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order to determine just exactly what lies Virginia is telling. Maxwell,
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I do not know what he did. No, so you
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agree she is lying secret McCauley, I do not agree
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with that, and I'm asking the questions Maxwell. You just
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set her lies. McCauley, I'm repeating a statement that you made. McCauley.
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Are you saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein
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engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was underage. Maxwell,
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I can only testify to what I saw and what
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I was present for. So if you were asking me
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what I saw, then I'm happy to say testify. I
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cannot testify to what somebody else did or didn't do.
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All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right there, and
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then the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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All the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
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keep things rolling with a Galaine Maxwell deposition. McCauley, did
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you issue a statement redacted in twenty fifteen stating that
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Virginia Roberts claims were quote unquote obvious lies? Mister Pagliuca
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objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can
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answer Maxwell, You need to reask me the question. McCauley. Sure.
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Did you issue a press statement redacted in January of
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twenty fifteen stating that Virginia Roberts claims were quote obvious lies?
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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can you do you ask it in a different way? McCauley.
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I will ask it again and you can listen carefully.
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Did you issue a press statement redacted in January twenty
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fifteen where you stated that Virginia Roberts claims were quote
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obvious lies. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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So my lawyer redacted instructed or redacted to issue a
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statement McCauley today, did you say that Virginia lied about quote,
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absolutely everything, Maxwell? I said that there are some things
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she may not have lied about. McCauley, So, are you
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saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in
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sexual contact with Virginia while Virginia was under age. Mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you
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ask the question again, please, McCauley. Are you saying it's
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an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct
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with Virginia while Virginia was under age? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer Maxwell.
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Try again, please, McCauley, are you saying that it's an
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obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with
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Virginia while Virginia was underage. Pagliuca objection to Form and Foundation.
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Maxwell again, I'm telling you, First of all, it was
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a statement that was issued by my lawyer and through
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my lawyer redacted. McCauley, I understand that I'm asking you.
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Are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey
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Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was
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under age? Is that a lie? Mister Pagliuca objection to
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the Form and the Foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell,
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So I cannot testify to what redacted and redacted decided
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to put. I can testify to what Virginia's obvious lives
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are as regards to me. I cannot make representations about
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all the many lives she may or may not have
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told about Jeffrey McCauley. So, is Virginia lying when she
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says it's an obvious lie when she says that she
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had sex with Jeffrey Epstein while she was underage? Mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell again, I'm
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testifying to what I know to be true. I can
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only testify to all the many lies she told about me.
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I cannot testify to what lies she told about somebody else.
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Given she told so many about me, one can probably
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infer she's lying about everything, McCauley, So you think she's
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lying when she said she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein
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when she was underage, Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell again, I can only talk about
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what I know and what I can positively say for myself,
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not what somebody else is going to represent, McCauley. When
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you were saying that she was her claims of having
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sex with Jeffrey Epstein or obvious lies, are you saying
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she is lying about engaging in sexual conduct with Jeffrey
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Epstein while she was under the age, Mister Pagliuca, objection
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to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer
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Maxwell again, this was a statement that was put out
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from my lawyer redacted, And I can only testify the
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obvious lies that she says about me. I cannot make
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representations about lies she says about somebody else. But she
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lies so many times about me. One can probably infer
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she is lying about everything, McCauley. So is she not lying?
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When is she telling the truth when she says she
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had sex with Jeffrey Epstein when she was under age?
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Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell Again,
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I don't know how else to say this. I can
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only talk about what I know to be true. What
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I know is her story about how she claims that
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initial situation happened is so egregiously false and such a giant,
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fat annoys or miss repulsive, disgusting, inappropriate, vile lie that
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I can testify to. McCauley. Was she lying when she
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said she met you at mar A Lago? Maxwell? Again,
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I already testified I don't recall meeting her at mar
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A Lago McCauley. We showed you a document where you
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said you met her at mar A Lago when she
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was seventeen? Is that correct, mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation? Maxwell. I think I already testified
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to that what I remembered based on all the rubbish
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she has written and all the many articles I have read,
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Maybe in the moment when I wrote that have caused
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me to have reflection on that, but I don't recall
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it as I sit here today. McCauley, are you saying
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that it was an obvious lie that you approached Virginia
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while she was underage at mar A Lago, Mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. First of all,
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we can all agree here, all of you sitting here,
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that the lies that you perpetrated in the press that
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she was fifteen, and we should all agree now that
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that is fake, a lie that was perpetrated between all
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of you to make the story more exciting. Can we
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agree on that, McCauley, That's not my question. Maxwell. Can
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we agree she was not the age she said, and
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you put that in the press. That is obviously, manifestly,
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absolutely totally a lie. McCauley, I'm going to put on
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the record Miss Maxwell very inappropriately and very harshly pounded
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our law firm table in an inappropriate manner. I asked
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she'd take a deep breath and calm down. I know
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this is a difficult position, but physical assault or threats
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is not appropriate. So no pounding, no stomping, No, that's
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not appropriate. Maxwell. Can we be clear? I didn't threaten anybody. Pagliuca. Stop,
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you made your record. There is no dent in the table.
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I don't see any chips. Can we take a break now, McCauley.
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I think it's appropriate to take a break. So they
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take a break for roughly thirty minutes, and then they
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get back and it's right back at it, Miss McCauley,
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Miss Maxwell, how old was Virginia Roberts when you met
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her in mar A Lago? Pagliuca, objection to the form
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and the foundation? Maxwell, I know today that she was
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seventeen years old. McCauley. Are you saying that it's an
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obvious lie that Virginia traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's aeroplane? Mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer. Maxwell.
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Are you referring to my statement where that says that, McCauley,
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I'm referring to the language you use in your statement
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that says obvious lies. Maxwell? Can you read my entire statement? McCauley, sure,
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let me pass it out Maxwell. Exhibit ten email marked
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for identification. McCauley, this is the Bates GM zero zero
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zero six eight and we will mark it as what
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you have in front of you is a statement. At
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the top this was produced by your counsel. It is
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indicated bates number GM zero zero zero six'. Eight at
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the top the date Reflects JANUARY tewod twenty fifteen from
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appears to be a redacted redacted subject line is. You
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and then there is a number of individuals you can
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see at the top that are copied on this and
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it is sent TO BC sed on this. Statement the,
24:21
statement there are two parts of. It there is an
24:24
opening email that says please find and attach quotable statement
24:28
on behalf of Miss. Maxwell and there is more language
24:31
there and it's from. Redacted and then it says in
24:34
the body of, It Jane doe number three Or Jane
24:36
doe number three Is Virginia, roberts so not a new.
24:40
Individual the allegations made by and it Says, victoria BUT
24:44
i believe that Means Virginia roberts Against Glean maxwell are not.
24:48
True the original allegations are not new and have been
24:52
fully responded to and shown to be. Untrue and the
24:56
next paragraph says each time the story is, retold it
24:59
changed with new salacious details about public figures and world,
25:04
leaders and now it is alleged by Miss roberts that
25:07
redacted is involved in having sexual relations with, her which he.
25:12
Denies miss roberts claims are obvious lies and should be
25:15
treated as such and not publicized as news as they are.
25:19
Defamatory the last paragraph states Glam maxwell's original response to
25:24
the lies and defamatory claims remains the. Same maxwell strongly
25:29
denies allegations of the allegations of an unsavory nature which
25:34
have appeared in The british press and, elsewhere and reserves
25:37
are right to seek redress at the repetition of such
25:41
old defamatory. Claims are you saying that it's an obvious
25:45
lie That Virginia roberts traveled On epstein's, Planes Mister pagliuca
25:50
objection to the form and the. Foundation. Maxwell i'm saying
25:55
that it's an obvious, lie AND i think we can all.
25:58
Agree you just had the case tossed out by or.
26:00
Redacted he just got removed from the case because you
26:03
put him in a case that he wasn't supposed to be,
26:06
in so what was said about him is not. True,
26:10
McCauley are you saying that it's an obvious lie That
26:13
Virginia roberts traveled On Jeffrey epstein's. Plane Mister, pagliyuka objection
26:18
to the form and the. Foundation, maxwell you have given
26:22
me plane records that was her name on, It but
26:25
AS i already, testified those aren't federally mandated, things AND
26:30
i can see her name on. It but that's WHAT
26:32
i told. YOU i don't recall her on the. Plane.
26:36
McCauley is this one Of virginia's obvious? Lies? Maxwell there
26:41
are more obvious, ones. McCauley is that one of? Them?
26:44
MAXWELL i cannot testify to her being on a plane or, not,
26:48
McCauley so is that an obvious? Lie? Maxwell there are
26:52
more obvious lies like redacted. McCauley i understand that there
26:57
are more obvious. Ones i'm asking, you is the fact
27:00
that she said she traveled On epstein's planes and obvious? Lie?
27:04
MAXWELL i think we probably say because you see her
27:07
name on a plane record and she went for me
27:09
to be that would not be the obvious lie THAT
27:12
i would. Pick. McCauley what obvious lie were you picking
27:16
when you made this? Statement? Maxwell there are so many
27:20
THAT i would be thrilled to go through all of. Them.
27:22
McCauley let's go through them, all, right, Folks we're gonna
27:25
wrap up this episode right here on that, cliffhanger and
27:28
in the next episode we'll pick up where we left.
27:31
Off all of the information that goes with this episode
27:35
can be found in the description. Box what's, up, everyone
27:38
and welcome back to The Epstein. Chronicles in this, episode
27:42
we're gonna pick back up where we left off with
27:45
that cliffhanger in The Glaine maxwell. Deposition so let's get
27:50
right back to. It, McCauley let's go through. Them what's
27:55
the first One? Maxwell her characterization of the first meeting
27:59
at marl, McCauley what part of that was an obvious? Lie?
28:04
Maxwell the characterization that she said that she said she was,
28:08
accosted she looked, like as best AS i can, recall
28:11
IF i met her in Mar A, lago as she
28:13
claims she worked at Mar A lago she claims and
28:16
her statement she worked at Mar A, lago she would
28:19
have been dressed as all The spa people in Mar
28:22
A lago would have. Been it would have been impossible
28:24
to identify her as someone other than someone who worked
28:28
at Mar A. Lago she would have been dressed as
28:31
all THE spa people at Mar A lago would have.
28:34
Been it would have been impossible to identify her as
28:36
someone other than someone who worked at THE. Spa she
28:40
made many claims she has been a bathroom, attendant front
28:44
of house. Attendant we don't know what that. Was so
28:47
her obvious lies are her contradictory of her own personal
28:51
statements within that. McCauley, so what part of her statement
28:55
relating to Mar A lago McCauley's cut off here By,
28:59
Maxwell i'm carrying, on. McCauley i'm. SORRY i thought you were. Done.
29:04
Maxwell please her statement also that she was driven by
29:08
her father To Palm, beach she was driven by her.
29:11
Mother as a matter of, fact her whole entire characterization
29:14
of the first meeting With jeffrey AS i was outside
29:17
speaking to her. Mother, McCauley let me stop you right
29:20
there so we don't get too far. Ahead let me
29:23
make SURE i understand your testimony the first in the first,
29:27
piece when you're, TALKING i believe you, said correct me
29:30
If i'm wrong that her characterization of the first meeting
29:33
at Mar A lago was an obvious. Lie what part
29:35
of that meeting was an obvious. Lie. Maxwell by her own,
29:39
testimony all her various many different descriptions of what she
29:43
was or, wasn't or where she was or, wasn't they've all.
29:47
Changed she was either in front of the house or bathroom.
29:50
ATTENDANT i don't know what she, was so just by
29:53
her own, words one doesn't know what's true and what isn't. True,
29:58
McCauley are you saying what position she said she was working?
30:01
In is that what you are considering the obvious? Lie?
30:06
MAXWELL i, said inconsistency within her own statement from, everything
30:10
so in the beginning it starts off with different. Statements.
30:13
McCauley THEN i believe you said the second piece was
30:17
that she was driven by her. Father MAXWELL i said
30:20
she was driven by her. Mother, McCauley that's an obvious. Lie,
30:24
Maxwell it's an obvious lie to. Me. McCauley you, said
30:28
why don't you state it in your own? Words but
30:31
the characterization of how she was With, jeffrey what about
30:35
that is an obvious. Lie. MAXWELL i was standing outside
30:39
talking to her. Mother so the entire story is a. Fabrication.
30:44
McCauley did she not have sex With Jeffrey epstein during
30:47
the first, massage Mister, pagliuca objection to the form and the. Foundation,
30:53
MAXWELL i was talking to her. Mother, so, McCauley do
30:57
you know whether that's an obvious, lie whether she had
30:59
sex in that room or? Not, maxwell her story about what.
31:04
Happened let's also be the story has first hit the,
31:07
press was that somebody else's letter To jeffrey's room it
31:10
was not, me and then it turned out being. Me
31:13
so we have an obviously important inconsistency lie in My
31:17
that's HOW i would characterize a. Lie it cannot be
31:20
me or somebody. Else it can only be one or the. Other,
31:24
McCauley who is the other? Person she, said took her
31:27
to the. Room, maxwell why don't you ask? Her, McCauley
31:31
i'm asking You, maxwell how WOULD i possibly? Know, McCauley
31:36
you are saying that's a? Lie, Maxwell it was a
31:39
lie in the. Papers she said it in the, newspaper
31:42
and it was in the. Newspaper, McCauley how do you
31:45
know she wasn't identifying? You? Maxwell she, said somebody, McCauley
31:50
how do you know somebody wasn't? You? Maxwell why did
31:53
it suddenly become? Me why not say it was? Me
31:56
and be done with, it. McCauley so it's a lie
31:59
because originally she may not have named you and then
32:02
named you. Later, maxwell it's obviously inconsistent to somebody who wasn't. Me.
32:08
McCauley how do you know it wasn't, You? MAXWELL i
32:12
know it wasn't me BECAUSE i was talking to her, mother.
32:15
McCauley but she then named. You is that what you're, Saying?
32:19
Maxwell that's an obvious, lie, McCauley she named. You. Maxwell
32:23
it's an obvious lie BECAUSE i wasn't even in the. House.
32:27
McCauley is it an Obvious who did lead her up
32:31
To jeffrey's room while you were talking to her? Mother?
32:34
Maxwell you would have to Ask. VIRGINIA i don't know
32:37
if she was led up to the room in his. House.
32:39
McCauley you were standing with her, mother is that, Correct?
32:42
Maxwell that's correct. McCauley who was working at the house that?
32:46
Day maxwell? Redacted maxwell would redacted typically lead someone up
32:51
to the massage room Where jeffrey was having a. Massage,
32:54
MAXWELL i don't know she was led up to the
32:56
massage room to have a. Massage. McCauley she would have
33:00
found her way on her, Own, MAXWELL i would suggest
33:03
that that entire story never happened at all in any
33:07
of its. Form. McCauley if you stood outside with her,
33:11
mother what did you think happened? Inside? Then? MAXWELL i
33:15
believe that somebody it wasn't me, redacted probably took her
33:19
to Meet Jeffrey epstein redacted. Redacted. Maxwell Did jeffrey tell you, That? Maxwell,
33:25
no but that would have been a normal. INTERACTION i
33:28
don't believe for a. SECOND i know her entire characterization
33:31
didn't happen BECAUSE i was outside talking to her mother
33:34
the entire. Time. McCauley why would she have come for
33:38
a massage and not give a? Massage Mister, pagliuca objection
33:42
to the form and the. Foundation. Maxwell we are talking
33:45
about her characterization of the first time that she came
33:48
to the. House. McCauley If i'm following you, correctly you're
33:52
saying she walked in and would have gone to it's
33:55
your assumption she would have gone and talked To jeffrey and. Left.
34:00
Maxwell WHEN i was working For, jeffrey typically he would
34:03
meet someone before getting a massage from, them to see
34:06
if he wanted to have a massage from. Them, typically
34:08
McCauley so he would not have someone come up to
34:12
the room and start a. Massage, maxwell he would not.
34:16
McCauley so the young girls in the police report who
34:19
say they came over and were led up to the
34:21
room on the first, day would they be wrong about?
34:23
That pagliuca objection to The form and The. Foundation. MAXWELL
34:29
i cannot comment on what happened WHEN i was not
34:31
in the. HOUSE i can only comment WHEN i was
34:34
at the. House. McCauley was there ever a time where
34:37
a woman came to the house for the first time
34:39
to give a massage And jeffrey had the massage that?
34:42
Day Mister, pagliuca objection to The form And. Foundation. Maxwell
34:49
can we talk about adult professional messuses, please, McCauley i'm
34:53
asking whether adult or. Underage. Maxwell i'm not interested in
34:57
talking about. UNDERAGE i can only testify to WHAT i
35:00
know professional messuses. ADULT i cannot testify to everything. Else.
35:06
McCauley why can't you testify to an underage girl that
35:09
came over and was led up to the room for a,
35:11
massage Mister. Pagliuca objection to The form and The. Foundation.
35:17
Maxwell the police records you're referring to, McCauley you are
35:21
saying that didn't. Happen you're SAYING i can only testify
35:24
to adults that came for an interview and were led
35:27
up to the. Room why can't you testify to whether
35:30
an underage girl was brought in for an interview and let?
35:33
Up pagliuca interrupts her here objection to the form and the. Foundation,
35:39
McCauley go ahead and Answer. Maxwell can you reask the, question,
35:43
McCauley why can't you testify as to an underage girl
35:47
who came over for an interview and then was then
35:50
led up to the room for the? Massage, maxwell you've
35:53
mangled your entire. Question can you please reask it in
35:57
a way THAT i can answer it? Correctly, McCauley why
36:01
can't you not testify as to whether an underage? Girl
36:04
you said you can testify as to the females that
36:07
were over the age of. Eighteen why can't you testify
36:09
as to weather an underage girl came over for an
36:12
interview on that same? Day, MAXWELL i don't know what
36:16
you mean by. Interview. McCauley you just said That Jeffrey epstein.
36:19
Interviewed it was your word. Interviewed the messuses before they
36:23
gave a. Massage is that? Correct? Maxwell the word interview
36:27
is making Me I'm, english so you could have some
36:30
difficulty understanding the WAY i. Communicate. McCauley i'm using your, Word,
36:35
maxwell Then i'll reuse it a different. Way he would
36:39
meet them because receiving a massage is something you want
36:41
to make sure you are comfortable with the, person and
36:44
so interview is not the correct. Word but you would
36:47
meet and have a conversation with them to see if
36:49
you want them to have a massage with that. Person
36:52
that's an, Interview, Glaine, maxwell you stank ass hose. Beast.
36:57
McCauley Did Jeffrey epstein ever meet an under and on
37:01
the same day receive a massage from that? Girl pagliyuka
37:05
objection to the form and the, Foundation, MAXWELL i can't
37:09
possibly testify to what happened AFTER i was not at the. House,
37:14
McCauley if you were aware at any time you were
37:17
at the, house did you ever see that to this?
37:20
Manager pipes in let her finish the. Question, MAXWELL i
37:24
can only testify to people who are, adult professional massuses
37:28
who came to the. HOUSE i cannot testify to Something
37:31
i'm not party two and don't know ABOUT i can
37:34
only testify to WHAT i. Saw so when professional adult
37:37
massuse male and or females would come to the, house
37:40
typically WHEN i was, there typically he would meet with
37:44
them prior to have a conversation with them about their, experience,
37:48
whatever to decide whether it would then a if he
37:52
had time for the massage at that, time OR b
37:54
whether he could have a massage at that. Moment does
37:58
any of that sound logical or real to any of,
37:59
you because from my seat here in The peanut, gallery
38:03
it all sounds like a bunch of. Bullshit, McCauley Was
38:07
virginia an adult when she came? Over was she over?
38:11
Eighteen pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation, MAXWELL
38:16
i think we established as of today we are all,
38:19
aware everyone in this room that she was seventeen, McCauley
38:23
so you have been present when a miner was brought
38:25
over for a massage For Jeffrey. Maxwell CAN i, say
38:29
as you were able to have a massage at? Seventeen
38:31
so she came as a massuse. McCauley i'm not saying
38:35
whether or not you were able To i'm saying you've
38:38
been present At jeffrey's home when an underage miner has
38:41
come over to give him a. Massage, maxwell that's just
38:46
not how that. Works you were able to be a
38:48
massuse at, seventeen so she came to give for a
38:51
massage at. Seventeen you were able to come over and
38:54
give a. Massage just to interject, again, really seventeen year,
38:57
old how much massage schooling have they? Had give me a, Break,
39:02
god she's, vile. McAuley i'm not asking whether she is
39:06
able to do. It i'm asking whether you were present
39:09
at the home when a girl under the age of
39:11
eighteen came over for the purpose of giving a. Massage Mister,
39:14
pagliuca objection to the form and the. Foundation, McCauley you
39:19
can Answer, maxwell you can be a professional massuse at
39:23
seventeen In. Florida, so as far As i'm, aware a
39:26
professional massuse showed up for a. Massage there is nothing
39:29
inappropriate or incorrect about, that and your mischaracterization of, IT
39:33
i think is. Unfortunate. McCauley how many teenagers did he
39:37
have that were professional massuses that worked in his? Home Mister,
39:40
pagliuka objection to the form and. Foundation, McCauley how Many,
39:45
Maxwell first of, ALL i am not aware of teenagers
39:48
who worked in his. Home. McCauley you are aware Of Virginia,
39:52
roberts and you stated she was seventeen and she worked for.
39:55
Him Correct, Maxwell, NO i did not state that at.
39:59
All you are a mis characterizing my words and WHAT i.
40:02
Said WHAT i, said what we can all agree. On
40:05
AND i think at this point there is not one
40:07
person in this, room however much you would like her
40:09
to be, younger to say she was not, seventeen because
40:12
that has been a very offensive thing that you have all.
40:15
Done so she was. Seventeen at, seventeen you are allowed
40:18
to be a professional, messuse and as far As i'm,
40:20
concerned she was a professional. Massuse there is nothing inappropriate
40:24
or incorrect about her coming over at that time to
40:27
give a. Massage her entire characterization of her first time
40:31
at the house was to me an obvious, lie given
40:34
it was impossible for her entire story to have taken,
40:37
place GIVEN i was speaking to her mother the entire
40:40
time she was at the, house, McCauley so it was
40:43
impossible that, day that first day when she came over
40:47
and you were speaking to the mother For Virginia roberts
40:49
to have had sex With Jeffrey epstein during that time
40:52
that you were outside with her. Mother pagliuca objection to
40:56
the form and the. Foundation, Maxwell you again are completely.
41:00
MISCHARACTERIZING i can only testify to WHAT i, heard and
41:04
those obvious lies about, me and her obvious lies about
41:07
me are that, she as you put out to the
41:10
papers and every other which, way when upstairs with her didn't.
41:13
Happen so that to me is an absolute obvious. LIE
41:17
i also don't believe that her her mischaracterization of the
41:20
length of time she was, there, because AS i, recall
41:23
she just met With jeffrey and then left with her.
41:25
Mother that's my recollection. McCauley so you were standing outside
41:29
the entire time That virginia was in the. House is that? Correct?
41:33
Maxwell that is, correct. McCauley so you can testify as
41:37
to whether or not do you, know either From jeffrey
41:41
or any other, source whether or Not Virginia roberts had
41:44
sexed With jeffrey on the first day that she was
41:46
at the. House, maxwell we can categorically state absolutely one
41:51
thousand percent that she did not have any type of
41:54
sexual relations as described by you in your court papers
41:58
that took, place because those, edgedly according to her, lies
42:01
involves some aspects of, me AS i was standing outside
42:05
with her mother the entire. Time her entire story is a. Lie,
42:09
therefore to ask me what she did or didn't do
42:12
during that, TIME i can only testify what she said about,
42:15
me which was one thousand percent. False all, Right so
42:20
we're gonna wrap up, there and in the next episode
42:22
we'll pick up where we left. Off all of the
42:25
information that goes with this episode can be found in
42:28
the description. Box